Chalmers to Portland?
by cabhorn on Jul 7, 2010 8:06 AM PDT
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PrintAccording to Yahoo Sports, Miami is looking to trade Chalmers, Beasley, & a #1 pick to Portland for Miller & Rudy. I'm not sure what other details would need to be made in order for the trade to work. Chalmers is an up and coming PG that played well with an All-Star SG in Wade. He would fit in with Roy and the Blazers team. I'm not sure how Beasley would fit into the team mold.
Chalmers/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Williams
Batum/Babbit/Cunningham
Aldridge/Camby/Beasley
Oden/Pryzbilla/Pendergraph
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I'd take Chalmers for Rudy straight up.
The scandal! lol
Not a big Beasley fan...
…but I will say this…if we are still on the Oden train…
…his unique talents/weaknesses are perfectly matched on this team.
Outside shooter at PF to free up Oden? Check!
Defensive/Rebounding shortcomings made up for by Oden? Check!
Honestly, if it were part of a master plan to plug Beasley into the PF position…and move LMA for a sick trade…
…I’d call it good strategy…although the crux of the matter would be “Who are we getting for LMA?”
He’s a huge talent… getting Beasley for junk, & either a stud swingman, or a stud pg…
…that’s not a bad thought
i understand your point though
I just don’t want to see Beasley as a Blazer…I think LMA is still growing despite popular belief
I wouldnt do it
As its currently composed. Miller is too important right now and with his contract situation we will be able to leverage he and pryz at the break. just giving him to miami for beasley and a #1 pick isnt worth it to me. ESPECIALLY if wade has bosh now. There is no way thats a lottery pick.
I say hold, play miller and lets see if we can get a better deal at the deadline with the 15 mil in expirings.
OJ Mayo is the Blazers' PG of the Future
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions
That’s OK if we actually DO a deal with the expiring contracts.
Lately, the pattern has been to NOT trade expiring contracts. I hope these are traded for some kind of asset. Beasley might be better here in Portland with this team than he is in Miami with that team. I’m for this. – Elgin
GOP in HD
I dont think Chalmers is good enoug
to compensate the loss of miller and a fantastic expiring contract. People will be looking to save money with the lockout impending and I think its a great idea to have expirings.
Also Beasley might do better here but he is still a 6th man at best right?
winner winner is right too BTW
blake and outlaw for camby
OJ Mayo is the Blazers' PG of the Future
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't make sense for Miami.
Roy and Wade are similar guards. They’re dynamic playmakers. Andre Miller is better on-the-ball than working off it.
Chalmers is a very good complement to both Roy or Wade. Defends well and shoots the 3 at a good clip.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
but Miami might do it anyway
especially if Bosh and Wade are both coming – they’ll blow their team up and use whatever expiring contracts they can acquire to build something up for the following year. – Elgin
GOP in HD
i hadn't thought of that.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Maybe Toronto wants Miller and Rudy?
Could be part of the sign and trade for Bosh. If we are really getting rid of our PG, something else must be in the works.
Turkoglu is a verb now?
Does it mean “to renege on a verbal contract and go on to disappoint an entire city with apathy and fatness”?
Or does it mean “to look like Tas Melas”?
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
get turkoglu, i meant get turkoglu
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Hmm let's compare
A guard who shot 32% from three last year in the eastern conference? Who averaged 7.1 ppg and 3.4 asg in 25 minutes? Who averaged only 2 asg in the playoffs? No thanks.
How about a gaurd who shoots a lousy 20% from 3, but who gets 14.4 ppg, 5.4 asg in 31 minutes of our slow pace? Yeah, I’ll keep that Miller guy.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
for pace adjusted stats, just look for ast% and suchlike
ast% for andre: 30.3%
chalmers: 21.0%
Difference between a true PG and an off-ball guard playing next to a ball-dominating SG, kind of. Chalmers is like young Blake, sort of.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Quick Reported:
Rudy for Chalmers and a pick. Says Miller probably not involved.
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 7, 2010 8:43 AM PDT reply actions
Thats a pretty good trade
Im not that big on Chalmers, but I see Rudy’s stock has sunk pretty low this season and probably wont rise any higher unless Rudy is given something close to 30 mpg next season.
However we only do this trade if we’re planning on moving Miller..
You think so?
I’d think this trade also makes sense if we are planning on moving Bayless. Chalmers is hardly so established in the league as to warrant having to start him.
"I don’t give a ZACH about no trade rumors. As long as somebody ‘CTC’ at the end of the day, I’m with them. For all you that don’t know what CTC means, that’s ‘Cut the Check. I just go out there and play. Again, somebody just ’CTC'." -Sheed
Not much outside of down under
"I don’t give a ZACH about no trade rumors. As long as somebody ‘CTC’ at the end of the day, I’m with them. For all you that don’t know what CTC means, that’s ‘Cut the Check. I just go out there and play. Again, somebody just ’CTC'." -Sheed
meh
what are the protections on the pick?
OJ Mayo is the Blazers' PG of the Future
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Dunno
But, I think if its 2nd round or better, its worth it. Rudy doesnt want to be here, and Chalmers could develop into a solid PG. I’m not on the bandwagon that he already is. I’m not that impressed, but I also dont really see Bayless fitting with our team. He wants to be a scorer.
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 7, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd say go with a graduated protections
That would take some negotiating. A few years down the road, when the Heat start having chemistry problems and Wade and Bosh start having injury problems, it could be unprotected, or top 5 protected, and be worth a lot more either for us to reload or trade with some EC’s for a big player.
It's going to be the 30th pick or so, with that team
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
I doubt it
I’m not buying that Bosh makes them a champion contender. It seems that every few years or so, we have a “dream team.” While it has generated some titles, it hasnt created any super powers, like every thinks it will.
I think the fact that they are completely rebuilding their team, will cause them to suffer. Atleast for a year or two.
by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 7, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus
Let’s say the Heat sign Wade and Bosh (No LBJ). They’ve still got to put guys around them, and that could take a year. That pick may turn out to be a little higher than anticipated
And there's also the prospect of getting a FUTURE pick
Wade isn’t going to last forever, and Bosh has some serious knee concerns. A few years down the road, that team could lose one or both to injury, with the other hobbled and aging. As the Spurs saw when they lost the Admiral for a season, all it takes is one season…
Also, we still have Born, Buchanan, Filipi, and that other scout (his last name starts with a C or a K, but I can’t think of it right now), so even if the pick is low, I’m confident we’ll be able to pick up steals in the late first.
Joe Cronin
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Chalmers owes me $500.
That’s how much I lost when he hit that effin’ 3 pointer in the NCAA championship game. Otherwise my bracket was the winner.
I WANT MY $500, MARIO!!!
I actually blame Rose and CDR WAY more for not being able to close. You know what they say…. you’ve got to make your free throws.
No to the trade. Can you imagine Beasley up here? The guy has major problems with depression. Living in already one of the most depressed cities in the nation would be bad. Factor in being under gray skies for 8 months and it would sink him for sure.
Being insistent when you're wrong is just really, really annoying.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 7, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions
Is this possible?
"I don’t give a ZACH about no trade rumors. As long as somebody ‘CTC’ at the end of the day, I’m with them. For all you that don’t know what CTC means, that’s ‘Cut the Check. I just go out there and play. Again, somebody just ’CTC'." -Sheed
You and I see eye to eye on this.
"I don’t give a ZACH about no trade rumors. As long as somebody ‘CTC’ at the end of the day, I’m with them. For all you that don’t know what CTC means, that’s ‘Cut the Check. I just go out there and play. Again, somebody just ’CTC'." -Sheed
He could get PT...
…If Riley’s plan turns out…they are still hoping on LBJ…and they’ll understandably have a bare bones roster…that is grossly in need of 3pt shooters to free up Bosh, Wade, & LBJ…
…if Rudy is brought over…and LBJ comes…I can guarentee you you would see a lot of this lineup:
1.) Wade
2.) Rudy
3.) LBJ
4.) Bosh
5.) ???
Wade can handle the rock…Rudy would be a perfect sandwich between Wade & LBJ…
…not saying that it’s ideal to have Wade at PG, but their have to be some compromises when you gut your roster for 3 superstars…
…and you could do a lot worse than having Rudy play with those two guys…that’d be a pretty sick 1-4 lineup….Rudy’s just about the perfect compliment…
I think Rudy would be better at PG
He’d still be playing off the ball, of course, but can handle it well enough, and Wade would typically defend either the bigger or better player, depending on the match up. Sort of a tall Mo Williams, with hops.
If Rudy winds up in South Beach after whining about being in Portland
that will just send the wrong message to all the Spanish kids about working hard, keeping your mouth shut and waiting your turn
not that I care much about the delinquency of Spanish youth
Rudy would wind up like Pau, getting rescued from purgatory to play in an NBA penthouse
as the kids said in Napoleon Dynamite “lucky”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I like this!
Because I have Wade in a fantasy league and this is a way for him to keep his stats up! :D
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Jul 7, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Miller/Chalmers
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Barea/Mills
oompa, loompa, doompity-do
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
well, obviously
I was sticking with the likely options at this point
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I think there's potential value in getting
a younger, better shooting PG like Calderon if you can do it without touching the core 4. Obviously getting CP3 is ideal, and I still got love for Andre3000, but
Calderon, Roy, Batum, LMA, Oden
Young and potent no?
Miller > Calderon
The Calderon love all the sudden is getting ridiculous, IMHO. If you though Greg picked up cheap fouls last year, watch out with the sieve that is Calderon-Roy backcourt.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Miller/Bayless
fo sho
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
this is so confusing i love, i love all the rumors of this could be part of a bigger deal to get us cp3 i dont care what happens as long as we get him only thing is keep roy and LMA
we wont trade roy for cp3 and the hornets dont want LMA
unless they are flipping him for something so i think your safe there
Oden might have to go and Batum certainly will
OJ Mayo is the Blazers' PG of the Future
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Hardly up and coming.
Up and coming? Chalmers was the #4 pick in 2008 who averaged 3.4 assists and 7.1 ppg in 25 minutes per game for the 73 games he played in 2010. Beasley was the #2 pick who has shown more of a propensity to play off the court – than on.
About all this tells me is why Miami is going to veterans (they certainly haven’t hit any home runs in the draft for awhile), and why Pfund is not my favorite GM choice.
You should be doing better with a #4 and a #2 than they are. Bayless, at #12, looks better right now than Chalmers. Who, by the way – has a lot more minutes on the court in his first two years than Bayless. And as far as having to play with Wade –
Bayless has to live with Roy.
Chalmers was a 2nd round pick.
…who is still considered a great pick up considering where they got him…
yeah, I was going to say
if Chalmers was drafted #4 in 2008 how is he only making 800k?
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okay, heres my view.
if we do this,i like it. chalmers is only entering into the 3rd season as a true PG in the NBA. hes young. and YES. up and coming. who did he have to play with? WADE. thats it. and beasley, rarely. they have no shooters on that team, whatsoever besides WADE. now, he will come here with B roy. Batum. LMA. a Slashing bayless. and most of all. Oden. who the heat have nobody as tall as oden even. so there u go, that steps up his assists. as for the Points. i think that comes with a better team. and confidence. and 3rd of all. have you seen some of the steals this guy has made? they are incredible. check out the one on deron williams on youtube..
About all this tells me is why Miami is going to veterans (they certainly haven’t hit any home runs in the draft for awhile), and why Pfund is not my favorite GM choice.
Going to veterans > hitting homeruns in the draft when your core is in their mid-late 20s (by the end of this month, Brandon will be 26, and LMA will be 25)
Mike and Chad are still around to scout the kids, Pfund would help balance the front office, so they wouldn’t be so June draft day-centric
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You're right. I forgot and misread his chart - sorry.
Still, I don’t see any advantage to swapping out Chalmers for Bayless or Miller, and Beasley for Batum. Granted – Beasley may eventually grow up and realize his hoped for talent – but we’re saying the same thing about Batum – who seems to be a better defender and character guy. Miami seems a little too willing to deal them – given their roster. Which should say something. Chalmers lost time in his second season – rather than gained it.
I'd do it in a heart beat.
I don’t want Beasley or Chalmers on the Blazer roster, but Beasley could be a pretty nice asset in the next trade.
This team isn’t going to start getting better until they get a PG. Miller’s gotta go.
I don’t think Miller has a lot of trade value right now. Maybe at the trade deadline with a possible expiring contract, but I just don’t see anyone wanting to start the season off with Miller on their roster. If Miami wants him – go for it.
However, Beasley has a reasonable contract at $5 million and is an asset that someone might be interested in now. Team hiim up with Bayless, and I’d think you out to be able to get a pretty nice point guard in the $7 – $9 million range (Harris? Hinrich?). Or throw in Pryzbilla and work on at a Paul, Nash, Parker.
The trade by itself doesn’t look that inviting to the Blazers, but I think it sets them up better for the next trade.
Yes, I watched every game ....
And I saw Andre put up nice stats and be a big part of salvaging a season lost due to injuries. But as his play was good, I saw others’ stats decline.
Roy’s shooting percentage went down last year. His 3 pt % went down last year.
Rudy’s shooting percentage went down last year. His 3 pt % went down last year. (each by more than 4 percentage points)
Martel’s shooting percentage went down last year. his 3 pt % went down last year (compared to 2 years ago as he didn’t play last year).
Where Andre’s performance individually looks good, I don’t think he makes other players better – especially the 2 and 3. In fact, I contend because he does not command a defender on the perimeter, he allows defenses to rotate over to Roy, and to our shooters – thus the declining stats.
Yes, I enjoyed watching Andre do his thing, but I would rather watch Roy do his thing, and have him surrounded by shooters to open up the floor. More room for Roy to penetrate, more wide open shots for shooters when their defenders rotate to Roy. As opposed to Andre’s man camped in the key waiting for Roy, and everyone else stays on their man.
None of that is Dre's fault
Roy was hobbled by injuries, playing with a sprained hamstring even after he missed games, and was poorly conditioned in the first month. In December and early January, he shot 10 points above his career average from the 3 pt. During November, and after his “return from injury” (i.e. after he decided to play through them), he shot worse than Bayless did from the three for the season.
Rudy had problems that were unrelated to Miller. In effect, he gave up on the season because he had no interest in being here, and requested a trade. That’s not Dre’s fault.
Martell had his best stretch of the season playing with Miller. The month he lead the NBA in 3pts made was also the full month he started alongside Miller. He started to slump when he stopped getting minutes and shots. His replacement at the 3, Nic Batum, had what was unarguably an incredible half-season, so your conclusion that Dre hurts the 2 and the 3 is false. Nic Batum is to blame for Martell’s struggles, and I think we can all agree that, if that is the case, it was justified.
this only proves that you can observe the symptoms of a struggling offense
but completely miss the cause for them
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I tend to agree.
Miller’s lack of shooting prowess did have a major effect on the rest of Portland’s offense last year, particularly the perimeter guys. It would be interesting to see how/if Miller affected other teams he was on in a similar fashion. For example, the first two years of Carmelo Anthony in Denver were with Dre; in the second year, Melo averaged 20.8 PPG and shot 43.1%. The next year, Dre was gone, and Melo averaged 26.5 and shot 48%. Granted, this can also be chalked up to Melo’s development as a player, but still, interesting “coincidence.”
so you want to turn Miller and Bayless into Kirk Hinrich?
Yech!
When will the Kirk-lovefest end on BE? Not until the guy is out of the league entirely? Even then someone will probably want to pry him out of retirement as the answer to all of our problems.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
the Blazers are supposedly "high" on Chalmers
they’ve tried to acquire him for at least a year, according the Quick on the MSP this year
and I wonder if this dialogue with the Heat is a signal that Randy Pfund may be headed Portland’s way?
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I would love this trade.....Chalmers is a nice young PG who plays defense and can shoot but Beasley has better upside than LaMarcus.
If Nate can convince Beasley to come off the bench and like it, he fits better with Oden than LA does. This would be an outstanding trade for the Portland Trailblazers. Miller would fit good in Miami because with superstars like Wade and Bosh Miami would be able to hide Millers flaws as far as shooting and playing defense plus Miami would be a more up tempo ball club unlike Portland.
This would be a win-win for both clubs and I hope it gets done. Depends on the King whether or not this gets done.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Except Beasley really sucks...
I don’t think the Blazers would take on Beasley’s personality. Too reminiscent of the Jailblazer days. I take Chalmers no prob, even just straight up for Rudy, but don’t like the idea of Beasley on this team.
Beasley a third stringer behind LMA and Camby?
That alone is a reason not to acquire a former #2 pick in the draft. That’s not factoring in all the other Beasley baggage
Sign Boykins!
PIck him up cheap while we can, veteran PG backup, otherwise stand pat.
Can't believe the team is talking about Beasely
I wasn’t a Beasely fan when he was coming out of college – could see character issues back then, he hasn’t done anything since to lead me to believe that he’s at a place to benefit a team, that his attitude/character would be detrimental to a team’s chemistry.
I would not like to see Beasely come to the Blazers as he is, maybe in time he changes, but I don’t want to see the Blazers bringing him in to see if they can change him – kind of like someone marrying someone with character flaws they are uncomfortable with, thinking they will be able to change them once they are married – it’s not a good strategy.
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