Will the Blazers win a Championship?
Lately all we hear is talk about getting free agents and before that about drafting franchise players. So I want to know if you believe that the Blazers as currently constructed (BRoy, LMA, Oden, McMillan) will win a title.
If not who would leave and who would stay?
If you said yes, do you think they will win multiple titles as constructed? The reason I mention multiple titles is that this seems to be the case in the NBA. In fact this has been the case for a long time in the NBA (only the NBA though, no other professional sports league).
Here is a list of all the teams that have won Championships over the last 40 years.
- 2010: Phil Jackson (L.A.)
- 2009: Phil Jackson (L.A.)
- 2008: Doc Rivers (Boston)
- 2007: Gregg Popovich (San Antonio)
- 2006: Pat Riley (Miami)
- 2005: Gregg Popovich (San Antonio)
- 2004: Larry Brown (Detroit)
- 2003: Gregg Popovich (San Antonio)
- 2002: Phil Jackson (L.A.)
- 2001: Phil Jackson (L.A.)
- 2000: Phil Jackson (L.A.)
- 1999: Gregg Popovich (San Antonio)
- 1998: Phil Jackson (Chicago)
- 1997: Phil Jackson (Chicago)
- 1996: Phil Jackson (Chicago)
- 1995: Rudy Tomjanovich (Houston)
- 1994: Rudy Tomjanovich (Houston)
- 1993: Phil Jackson (Chicago)
- 1992: Phil Jackson (Chicago)
- 1991: Phil Jackson (Chicago)
- 1990: Chuck Daly (Detroit)
- 1989: Chuck Daly (Detroit)
- 1988: Pat Riley (L.A. Lakers)
- 1987: Pat Riley (L.A. Lakers)
- 1986: K.C. Jones (Boston)
- 1985: Pat Riley (L.A. Lakers)
- 1984: K.C. Jones (Boston)
1984 is the year that David Stern took over as Commisioner of the NBA. He was proceeded by Larry O'Brien, who was preceeded by Walter Kennedy.
- 1983: Billy Cunningham (Phil.),
- 1982: Pat Riley (L.A. Lakers)
- 1981: Bill Fitch (Boston)
- 1980: Paul Westhead (L.A. Lakers)
- 1979: Lenny Wilkens (Seattle)
- 1978: Dick Motta (Washington)
- 1977: Jack Ramsay (Portland)
- 1976: Tom Heinsohn (Boston)
- 1975: Al Attles (Golden State)
- 1974: Tom Heinsohn (Boston)
- 1973: Red Holzman (New York)
- 1972: Bill Sharman (L.A. Lakers)
- 1971: Larry Costello (Milwaukee)
- 1970: Red Holzman (New York)
Now, considering the history since 1984, do you see "201?: Nate McMillan (Portland)" fitting in?
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So I can see this is really a fire Nate post.
I say this because every name you listed did not score a point in a game. I would not be against the Blazers changing coaches, however I can’t imagine a coach getting much more out of an injury riddled team than Nate did last season! If you are going to criticize you also have to give credit where credit is due.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
true
Nate deserves credit for what the blazers have become. I just question if he can take us much further.
Despite my reservations I do believe Nate deserves another season he has earned that opportunity.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
agreed
Nate deserves to finish up his contract
I think that 2010/2011 is a make or break year for Nate and the current roster
I just hope they get the chance. PA seems overly determined to roll the dice.
Nothing would make me happier than to see our current team with one or two tweaks make it to the promised land. But I interpret KP’s firing as a sign of extreme impatience that may make for an environment where the new GM will feel that he almost has to make a dramatic move to put his stamp on the team. If it works great, but we could also make the wrong move and this group could be screwed.
CP3 is one thing. There are a lot of other guys, and other deals, I would be less happy about.
by upper left corner on Jul 5, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
well, technically...
every name you listed did not score a point in a game.
Phil Jackson scored 148 points for in the playoffs for the ’72-73 Knicks, and Pat Riley scored 78 points for the ’71-72 L*kers during the post season.
you can’t sneak anything past us old-timers
and I had to check to see if Doc Rivers won a ring while he was with the Spurs in ’94-96…nope
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You know I meant in the title years listed.
As an old timer myself I can’t let you sneak that by.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
By the way as I went through my junk in preparation for my move to Florida.
I found my Blazer team Pics from 71-72 & 72-73 as well as a couple of programs from the same time period! Great stuff about Nate Archibald & Nate Thormond! Nate has a great name in NBA history!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
you know the story about Pat Riley and the expansion Blazers, right?
he was “too good” for Portland and didn’t even make it through a practice at Pacific U for Roland Todd before whining to his agent and getting released or traded to L*A
I’d say that worked out pretty well for him, in the long run
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
no
it’s a fire Stern and make an independent referee union post so we can get a fair shake…
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jul 6, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think I criticized Nate in this post. I also don't think it is a fire Nate post.
It is funny though, how much Nate gets criticized in these posts. You would think he ran our team into the ground. That being said I do think Nate has some offensive schemes that need serious work.
I myself actually felt more inclined to lean the post toward the NBA and lack of parody, whether planned or coincidence. Do you think a small market team would get enough calls against a large market team with superstar to win a 7 game series?
The beauty of a forum though is that each person is entitled to their slant and therefore their opinion. Go BEdge!
San Antonio is a small market and Tim Duncan is a star but not super SELLING star!! And they won.
The Blazers need HEALTHY players and a great coach. I’m not sure Nate is good enough at on the spot decisions under pressure. I’ve seen him use some horrible rotations..when better rotations were available. (LA, OKC at the RG this past year). He may have learned though. I hope so. We shall see.
Maybe his new coaching staff will be better. And maybe the Blazers will actually hire a big man’s coach. Lucas hasn’t coached for the past 1.5 seasons. So I’ve read the Blazers are going to hire his replacement.
It's honestly the 7th largest in the country.
I didn’t think so either but earlier this year I was looking at census figures and BAM! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
Still a small market really
The San Antonio Metro area is 26th to PDX at 23. PDX Metro is nearly 200k bigger than SA. This is a better measurement of a city’s draw since a lot of fans who come to games do not actually live in Portland for example. Portland remains the largest US Metro area with only one Major league team from the Big 4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
Hope floats.
"I don’t give a ZACH about no trade rumors. As long as somebody ‘CTC’ at the end of the day, I’m with them. For all you that don’t know what CTC means, that’s ‘Cut the Check. I just go out there and play. Again, somebody just ’CTC'." -Sheed
It makes it easier to skim off of the top
"I don’t give a ZACH about no trade rumors. As long as somebody ‘CTC’ at the end of the day, I’m with them. For all you that don’t know what CTC means, that’s ‘Cut the Check. I just go out there and play. Again, somebody just ’CTC'." -Sheed
8 coaches in 26 seasons is it
wow, that is remarkable when you see it “on paper”
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I guess the question is if a differant competant coach had the same talent on their team-
would that team have won anyway? If Reinsdorf had given Doug Collins 1 more year? If Wilkens had stayed on in Portland 1 more year. Who is the greatest coach of all time? To me it’s John Wooden-NBA Red Aurbach
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
Collins was too laid back. Phil Jackson MADE Jordan learn and play the triangle offense.
He didn’t fear the star ego. I think Nate kind of does. He certainly catered to 25 yr. old Brandon’s wishes last year.
by Natsthecat on Jul 6, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the point about pre David Stern
is pretty amazing. It’s most likely a function of the crop of amazing players that came out during that time, Bird Magic Moses Dr. J etc, but makes you wonder. He is a business man.
slimkim
This team, even as constructed, all the potential to win a championship
but…..championships are so hard to come by. Just looking back at some of the good teams there have been in the past decade that came up short:
New Jersey
Portland
Mavericks
Suns
Orlando
Utah
Denver
New Orleans
etc
Just look at the Blazers teams of the early 90’s. Man they deserved to win one. They had all the pieces. They had the coach. But they ran into superior opposition. Only time will tell but I’ll still be watching and waiting.
Rick Adelman was a greenhorn NBA coach, back then
maybe if that team had the older, wiser Rick of today they would’ve gotten past L*A, in 1991
substituting both Ainge and Walter Davis in for Terry and Clyde at the beginning of the 4th quarter in game 1 was a fatal flaw. Everyone remembers Cliff’s dropped pass from that series, but the game 1 hairball gave the L*kers the home-court advantage and (thanks to Vlade poking the ball away from Duckworth, repeatedly) the Blazers never broke serve, down in So-Cal
I felt that Adelman wasn’t ready to coach a team on the verge of a championship, back then. Rick was buddies with Drexler, and so Clyde never really had to practice hard, and eventually that lack or preparation caught up with the team, in the finals. They had all of the talent you’d ever want (thanks to Bucky) but not enough BBIQ or attention to detail to bring home the trophy. What a waste
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I still maintain what the NBA needs is a new commish!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
by We-B-Dunkin on Jul 5, 2010 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
yep
Stern saved the league, but i subscribe to the ten year rule in general for leaders of organizations. Stagnant ideas and maintenance of power have consequences on the vitality of organizations.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
well
he did negotiate the contract with CBS to air the back ro back Celtics/L*kers game every sunday. Granted it was Bird and Johnson that made it work, but Stern got the TV deal to make sure people could see them play…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I watched every game the Blazers played the year WE won the title.
Larry O’Brian trophy! Nuff said!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
I am sure your buying power
caused the broadcast networks to choose to put boston and LA games on every week…
Local fans that are committed always watch their teams…what sells the league, for good or ill, is the broader market.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I'll second that notion
If Stern remain the commish he needs to take acting lessons
“there will be no free agency summit” regarding LBJ, DWade and Bosh (does he really think we believe these guys aren’t talking to eachother)
“Tim Donahey is an isolated disaster, I can assure you, and we are doing everything in our power to assure this kind of dibacle does not continue” (does not continue or does not surface, David?)
Just insulting our intellegence as fans at this point
plus the non-competitiveness in the league
under his watch…no wonder fan interest wanes in the playoffs so badly.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
image alone!
the commish should step down just to give basketball a better name,,,,,,
sure. because this is the wrong blog to be saying 'no'.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
People were talking WCF at the beginning of this last season.
Why aren’t we talking about that now? Sure, Greg has taken a step back, but I’m still confident that he will work his way to the place he was at before the injury. Now Andre Miller is free to run the team without Blake unlike last year when lots of people (myself included) thought that it might never work out. Batum has vastly improved and will continue to, we’ve still got Brandon Roy, one of the best players in the NBA, and he’s going to be healthy by the start of the season, and LMA is going to thrive with having a low post guy like Greg. I think this team has a chance to win a championship in the future and I think Nate could be the coach.
Of couse I realize everything I say here means nothing.
In K.P. I STILL trust.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
Stern is a Crook.
And the league will always be crooked while he’s in charge. Successful businesses aren’t successful because they make the world a better place. He’s done well for the league while spitting in the face of sports fans. The day Stern dies basketball fans all over the world will dance in the streets. And the word we’re after here is “Parity”
If it looks like a "Beaver", walks like a "Beaver" and talks like a "Beaver" chances are
You won’t go to the Rose Bowl, JK Beaver fans. I have seen too many interesting things from an officiating perspective over these many years to not be at least skeptical of “Senor Frozen Envelope”
Maybe
The tangibility of a championship is always hard to define. Too many variables. Laker fans are already starting the chant of 3-Peat…and it’s far too premature.
It’s a simplistic fans question to ask Will The Blazers Win a Championship? Because the answer for a Blazer fan will always ultimately be Yes. All N.B.A. team fans exist in either the light gleaming off the O Brien Trophy or in the shadow cast by the O Brien Trophy, but I think all fans chase it, like its just around the next corner and is possible, even if the reality is you are nowhere close to it.
I think the more precise question is Do you believe The Blazers are being owned and managed with a championship as the goal?….and I would say yes. Argue specific decisions recently or over 2+ decades, but Paul Allens tenure paints a picture of an owner who wants to, and enjoys winning. This is not a team being owned or managed just to be profitable or on the margins of popularly viable and marketable.
How close is it? Will the current nuculeus be the one that offers us the best chance? Who knows? A healthy Brandon Roy and a healthy and developed Greg Oden certainly would be a formidable starting point. In the past two years has some of the gleaming luster worn off of that dream? Yes, since 2007 our almost innocent and joyous dreams of a big parade being fronted by The Larry O Brien Trophy have been almost cruelly tempered by the reality that it is not easy.
What allows me to remain a Blazer fan is the belief that the Blazers are not being operated simply to make a profit, or simply to be marketable. Succeed or fail, I need to believe it when Larry Miller, or Paul Allen or whatever Blazer representative says, “Our Goal is to Win a Championship”.
I can argue and debate the tangible decisions being applied in the reaching of that goal. Sometimes I feel better about it than other times. But it’s the belief that we are heading in that direction that is important.
By the way? I personally strongly discount the recently common assertation that The Blazers can never win a championship because we are small market or NOT based in Los Angeles or New York or some other major media outlet.
My observation over the many, many years has been with little but notable exception, that The Blazers have the success they earn. In the 90’s? We lost to Detroit because they had Thomas and Dumars in their prime, when we had Drexler and Porter just coming into their prime. We lost 2 years later, because we met Jordan and Pippen in their prime. But I never felt we did not have a chance because “Portland” was not going to be allowed to win because of the size of our city, or the surrounding population of fans.
2000 aside, The Blazers have been about as succesful as they have been able to deserve based on the talent we have been able to obtain, create or develop.
I think the hype and legend surrounding Greg Oden (That he was the next, Shaq, Bill Russell, or Chamberlain type of impact Center) gave us the chimera that a championship was guaranteed, and just around the next corner. Well whether it is or isn’t, the dream was easier held onto, than the reality is to reach.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I agree with a lot of this comment.
We’re not guaranteed anything.
Personally I think most of it does hinge on G.O. and his health, which is why I would put maybe a percentage on our championship dreams. I think there’s about a 30% chance we win a championship in the next decade with the current core. If it were a given that GO would stay healthy, I’d say more like 40 or 50%.
Anyway, I like especially your point that we’re not in the situation of the Clippers or Grizzlies, where their owners prefer to remain mediocre and profitable. PA will pay to keep this core together, which means we can expect that if the best basketball option is keeping GO and Batum and Bayless when the time comes to make that decision, we will.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

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