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LeBron James: the New Steve Nash!

God, this LeBron worship-fest is beyond annoying to me.  I clicked onto ESPN today and heard Chris Broussard quoting Mike D'Antoni as saying that, should the Knicks get LeBron and Carmelo, that he'd have LeBron play point guard, ala Steve Nash.  Broussard added his own commentary: "We all know that LeBron has the skills to do that."

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No, Chris, we DON'T all know that.  There was exactly one guy as big as LeBron who could play point guard, and his name was Magic Johnson.  LeBron James may be built like a brick house, but he's no Magic Johnson--not even close.  Did you not just see the spectacular egg His Royal Highness just laid vs the Celtics?  Did you not notice that "the greatest player in the game" has no handle, no mid-range game, no post-up skills, no feel for when & how to deliver the ball to teammates (all of which Magic possessed in spades)--nothing but steamroller drives to the hoop and unreliable three point jump shots?  Kinda like a Super-Martell!  OK, with some passing ability thrown in.

 

What a triumph of hype over substance.  Sure, I'm exaggerating a little.  But after watching the all-out frenzied pursuit of LeBron & Co.--with even Joe Johnson (the playoff bust of the century) getting a max deal, I'm starting to wonder.  Did the Mighty Casey get offered a 100 million dollar contract the day after he struck out?

I can't wait to see the city that wins the LeBron Sweepstakes celebrating like every citizen has won a million dollars--then failing to even win a conference title next season or the one after that.  That will be entertaining for sure.

 

 

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well duh

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt

by thomasikehara on Jul 5, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does his handle compare to that average NBA starting point guard?

I’d place it about midway between that guy’s handle and Martell Webster’s. Seriously.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 5, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

yah

he is a great passer, but subpar ball handler

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt

by thomasikehara on Jul 5, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's not overvalue Martell anymore

He’s not on our team.

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by RecordTOs on Jul 5, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

lebron did play like 20 games this year at the point

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt

by thomasikehara on Jul 5, 2010 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't understand the LeBron hate

Nobody could deny that
(a) he puts up RIDICULOUS stats
(b) on a team with very few options other than him (so he can be doubled and tripled)
© yet one that has had the best record in basketball

For all the “goose egg” talk, he had the best numbers in the playoffs of anybody.

by meru on Jul 5, 2010 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

While I don’t care for the non-stop Lebron praise, he is clearly the best player in the league. Saying he is the next Steve Nash is like saying he is going to get worse.

pass the beer nuts

by spambot on Jul 5, 2010 6:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

And guess who was number 6 on that list and ahead of Kobe? Pau Gasol.

Funny, I didn’t see Mo Williams or Jamison or Shaq on that list. Lebron still hasn’t had anybody on his team so let’s wait until he gets one valid star. A Lebron/Gasol team would have won too.

by Coastie07 on Jul 5, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

LeBron was the Cavs PG his rookie year

Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!

by axel360 on Jul 5, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

i remember when...

…they played the blazers in only the third game of the year (his rookie year). He had damon stoudamire gaurding him and lebron only scored like 6 points that game. Something like that happening now seems so far outside the realm of possibility. How many would he drop if bayless was gaurding him today? 60?

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by postup on Jul 5, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

They say “you are who you can guard”, right? Well any PG guarding LeBron is a complete joke because he’s six to eight inches taller than they are, and he can easily guard anyone smaller than Amare Stoudamire with his exceptional length and defensive tenacity. I’ve always thought the Cavs ought to have kept him at PG and let him be Magic Johnson. If anyone can do that, he can.

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Jul 5, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

the more ridiculous idea is that lebron and carmelo are going to the knicks

right when the knicks realized they weren’t getting lebron they started floating the rumors about melo. Then denver says they aren’t going to trade him, duh. The knicks are really screwing over their fans by making them ridiculous promises that fans will always want to believe

by StocktonNEP on Jul 5, 2010 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Do all the Lebron haters actually ever watch him play?

Call him a douche if you want. I’m not in love with him either, but you’d have to be blind to watch him play and not think he’s the most dominating player in the league. At least watch him play the Blazers where he manhandles our team without breaking a sweat. At least we can make Kobe take 30 shots before he makes 30 points. Yeah, he hasn’t won a championship yet, but who honestly would have with any of his teams so far. You think Mo Williams is his Pippen or something? Mo Williams disappears in the playoffs and shot 40% from the field the last 2 playoff runs. The truth is, there isn’t one player in the league that would improve a team more just by adding him. And it’s not even close.

by Coastie07 on Jul 5, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Yes, it's always LeBron's "supporting cast" that's at fault for his failures

No doubt that’s what all the yes-men in LeBron’s entourage tell him. That’s why the glaring deficiencies in his game never get fixed.

In fact, no matter who LeBron’s teammates are, he’ll struggle, because he’s difficult to play with. Great players make their teammates better. Over-hyped players make their teammates worse.

Yes, the “LeBron haters” watch him play. Perhaps more carefully, and with more awareness of his impact on his teammates, than the folks who ooh and ahh over his spectacular athletic plays.

Great basketball players are not necessarily great “athletes,” and vice versa. And great teams aren’t necessarily filled with “all-stars.” In fact, they never are, and there’s a reason for that: there’s only one ball. This is why the USA Olympic team barely got past a much less athletic Spanish team. That’s why the Celtics came one knee injury from winning another championship this season.

News flash: basketball is a TEAM GAME. If you “actually watch” the game, you might start to pick up on that.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 6, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I guess you answered my question. No, the haters don't watch him play.

8.6 assists a game last year and he’s not a team player? That’s 6th in the league, 1 behind Jason Kidd and he’s not even a guard. Please get real. “Over-hyped players make their teammates worse”??? Yeah, I’m sure Cleveland would get so much better without him, Lebron really needs to stop holding them back. You also might want to check your history too because great teams are actually filled with “all-stars.” It’s close to impossible to win without at least 2 on your team in the NBA. Love your bad example of the Celtics though as a team without stars because they actually have 3 future hall of famers on their team. Teams aren’t falling over themselves at a chance to get Lebron just so they can “ooh and ahh” over his athletic plays. They just want the most dominating player in the league. More triple doubles than anyone in the league since he was drafted, all defensive team, best stats we’ve seen since Jordan by a mile, the list goes on. Read about him if you don’t want to watch.

by Coastie07 on Jul 6, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you've done more reading than watching

Stats can be deceiving (remember Zack Randolph and all his impressive 20/10’s)? If you actually watched the games—carefully, and with rose-colored glasses removed— you’d see that in the playoffs, when teams like the Celtics buckle down to serious defense, LeBron can be neutralized. His assist numbers will still be there, and scoring too. But he’s not utilizing his teammates EFFICIENTLY, so his team loses.

Oh, and “filled with all-stars” doesn’t refer to FORMER all-stars like the Celtics have. Those guys are past their individual glory years and dedicated to winning as a team.

But I know I’m wasting my time writing this. Even if LeBron went his entire career without winning a title, fans like you would chalk it up to all the stiffs he played with. Stiffs who somehow always played better on other teams.

Re/ that last point: I’m not saying LeBron is so fatally flawed as a basketball player that he won’t actually win at some point. He’s too talented for that to happen. I’m just saying that he’s nowhere near the God-like hoopster that so many folks believe he is. The emperor isn’t wearing any clothes, but no one wants to see it, let alone point it out.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, LeBron can play, no question

But your evidence for his greatness isn’t that strong. For one thing, Hughes and Gooden were both perfectly serviceable players in their primes. As I wrote above, championship teams aren’t filled with all-stars. They usually have at least two, but you also need guys to play meat & potatoes roles. There’s only one ball, you know. Some guys have to focus on getting the ball to the scoring specialists—as well as on defending, setting picks—all that “unglamorous” stuff.

Oh, and another point: the Eastern Conference was remarkably weak the year LeBron and those guys made it to the Finals.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 6, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are once again wrong.

Boston had 3 all-stars on the 2010 all-star team, including a 24 year old Rondo, more than any other team in the league.

by Coastie07 on Jul 6, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did forget that Rondo made the all-star team this year--and deservedly so

But the “Big Three” are well past their primes. Back in the day, those three wouldn’t have been effective together.

Let me try this again. “All Star” players generally were the stars of their AAU, high school, and college teams. They always were “the man,” the player whose job it was to put the ball thru the hoop. If you get more than a couple of those guys, in their prime, on the same NBA team, it doesn’t usually go well. That’s true even if they aren’t egomaniacs. There’s still the problem that these players never learned how to set good picks, to go all-out on defense, etc. They weren’t expected to do those things; others had those jobs.

This is why (to go back to something I mentioned above) actual All-Star teams—like the USA Olympic team—struggle to win against far inferior talent like the Spanish national team. Even if guys like LeBron, Wade, and Kobe are willing to let others score the points while they do the dirty work, they don’t really know HOW. That was painfully apparent vs the Spaniards.

This is a bit of a digression, though. The point is that basketball is a game of efficiency—of getting lots of possessions and scoring on a high percentage of those while limiting the possessions and conversion percentage of the other team. (Paint scoring and getting to the line help in both instances.) In order to be efficient against determined, focused, playoff-style defenses, you need diversity and ball & man movement—not one guy pounding the ball. (Think Brandon Roy as well as LeBron.)

Wilt Chamberlain once AVERAGED 50 points, but his team went nowhere. The next season, he radically changed his approach, and he won. It’s simple math: if LeBron gets 30 ppg and 10 assists, that translates to around 55 points. Very impressive, but if he’s dominating the ball in the process, that’s not winning basketball. The defense can zero in on LeBron, create some turnovers, draw some charges, and reduce his shooting percentage a little.

That’s all it takes to make the Cavs offense less efficient than the opponent’s. Game over. And stat watchers will conclude that LeBron played great and his teammates (who never were able to get a rhythm or gain confidence) tanked. Like I said, stats can be deceiving—very much so. Your Akron hero has feet of clay. Not that I expect you or the legions of other LeBron worshippers to ever accept that. They say to never argue politics or religion…

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 6, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about Scottie Pippen?

I think he did a great job at running the point when he was a Trail Blazer.

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 5, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

uh. We know he can play point because he did this year

when Cavs backcourt was all out with injury. He also played point his first year.

Nice rant though.

by howlingfantods on Jul 6, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanx--it's nice to have one's rant appreciated

Ranting IS an art form.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 6, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I wrote an email expressing similar sentiments to this fanpost, a buddy replied, "breathe into the paper bag"

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 6, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Overhyped players make their team mates worse?

Who were Mo Williams and Delonte West before LeBron?

"Good, Better, Best, never let it rest until your good is your better and your better is your best." Tim Duncan

by flynn4blazers on Jul 6, 2010 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

LeBron has PG skills I just dont think he has the makeup

When a big guy has to get down like that it beats on his body Magic conditioned himself for it. He knew how to use his body, carry the ball and take his time. LeBron would play more of a high speed PG roll. He needs to relax his game some to preserve his career.

by Kaanyr Vhok on Jul 7, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

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