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Mythbusters: Portland Trail Blazers

I'm watching the latest episode of Mythbusters last night when it hits me. As fans, don't we make a lot of statements about our beloved Blazers which are subject to debate or could be flat out wrong? I know I do! Some of the statements below are subjective and thus have no right or wrong answer really. I figured I would post this and take the pulse of Blazer nation. We won't do the whole "busted" or "confirmed" thing like they do. I'm just curious to see how all of you feel about the following statements. 
 
Agree
Disagree
Undecided (..and explain a little)
 
Choose one of those and if enough people respond, I will tally the results and see what we come up with. I do some statistical stuff in Excel where I work. I thought it would be really interesting to see a visual representation of fan opinions. I guess in a way this is like ten fanposts (well, more like 10.5) with a poll attached to each. Feel free to explain your answers if you'd like but I'm really just looking for agreement, disagreement or an undecided on each # below. Bear in mind these are not my statements. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with any of them. I just thought they were a good collection of stuff I've heard fans say before.

Star-divide

 

1. Nate McMillan is not the "championship coach" this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won't inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He's just too stubborn.
 
2. Based on last season's results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn't worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.
 
3. Paul Allen "jumped the shark" as an owner with regard to his handling of KP's dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.
 
4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.
 
5. Greg Oden's body won't allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.
 
6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.
 
6B. As a followup to 6A: It's highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team's #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.
 
7. As a fanbase, we're too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let's not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.
 
8. The Blazers don't have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.
 
9. We've likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.
 
10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

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Nate McMillan

1- Inconclusive. At least in my opinion. The guy stresses qualities you find in championship teams. Defense, rebounding & team work. A lot of people have questions about his offense which are quite valid. I’d like to see how the offense looks this year.

2-Agree. He got paid, I expected improvement. Some hustle. I could care less if his PPG dropped 3-5 points & he started rebounding/defending like he should be able to.

3-Who cares. Its his team. He can do what he wants.

4-Agree. Brandon wants to win, he isn’t obsessed with numbers.

5-Inconclusive. Prove it to us big man. As a fan base we can do nothing but think positive thoughts & pray.

6-Agree. I love Andre. I have no problem with him being the starter until his contract runs out & I would love for him to be our reserve PG and re sign with us. However I think we would be smart to pursue a “PG” who fits next to Roy right. Someone who can defend the 1 & 2 at a championship level & hit his open shots – A role player if you will, in fact Nate McMillan as a player would not be a bad fit if only we had a time machine. I’m not sold on Jerryd because Brandon already presents a lack of defense on our wings, we need to have the 1 & the 3(Batum) be great defenders – in my opinion, to win a championship.

7-Inconclusive. Its yet to be seen. Its fun yet foolish to speculate. Its all up to Nicolas in how far his career goes.

8-False. Brandon has shown he can be the #1 guy for us, I just think you need to build around him properly. Make up for his(very few) flaws. Get him open shots, open driving lanes. Have shooters that when Brandon kicks it, they will make it consistently. Last but most importantly, play defense. All the players around Brandon need to be quality defenders imo.

9-Inconclusive. This is really tough to say. On one hand you have a 7ft man who fractured his patella & re-fractured in a very short amount of time. Who is to say how effective he will be once he gets back on the court. On the other hand Przybilla is a warrior. A fighter. It all comes down to if Paul Allen. Keep Joel & pray he recovers, and is the same ol Vanilla Gorilla we know and love. Or trade him for a younger, less injured big man who could fit in our rotation & championship window for more years then Joel. Not only that but JPEC will be a valuable asset in any trade scenario.

10-False. I don’t think so, the reason every player is signing contracts this year is to avoid what the new CBA may hold. Which makes me believe it will be more owner friendly.

Silent Swagger.

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Joel fractured his patella?

Twice? I think he ruptured his patella tendon which is much worse.

by Jeffe Portland on Jul 30, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thats it.

Then he reinjured it.

Sell High On Aldridge

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Many of your statements have too many compounded assertions to simply agree or disagree.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

So say you're undecided and explain. Good observation though.

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Jul 30, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Example
. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

a) Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal

Yes, he handled it terribly.

b) He meddled too much

He’s the owner, he can meddle all he wants.

c) the team took a step back this offseason as a result (of Paul’s meddling).

We got Matthews, probably a step forward but less than I hoped. Was Paul responsible for picking Matthews? Was Matthews part of a KP plan? Was Matthews Chad and Born’s idea? We will probably never know for sure until Steve Patterson tells us.

d) You may like the Cho hire,

I’m not crazy about hiring someone if he is over reliant on statistics vs basketball experience. But I don’t know if that describes Cho or not.

e) but still feel KP was a better fit.

I think KP’s time had come. He was too much of a cake baker.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best part the Rich Cho hire isn't even the fact that he realizes the importance of APBRmetrics, ...

but rather his savvy when it comes to the CBA and salary cap management. Regardless of the fact that Randy Pfund is nothing but a Pat Riley toadie and Danny Ferry is just an ex-player who got thrusted into a GM gig partly ‘cause of his dad’s success as a front office executive with the old Washington Bullets, I didn’t like either guy due to their lack of legal and financial experience. Besides, if the Trail Blazers were going to hire a guy with more of a traditional scouting background, I’d’ve wanted a hungry first-timer like Dennis Lindsey.

by AK1984 on Jul 30, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just don't know about Cho. A lot may depend on his assistant GMs.

There’s more to a GM’s job than managing the cap and making clever deals. I suspect Cho is very strong in the former and can do the latter because of his experience (as you say he’s savvy in those areas).

The area that I worry about (simply because I don’t know enough about what Cho actually did or didn’t do for OKC) is evaluating players (which I think goes way beyond statistics) and equally important, setting the strategy for personnel acquisition and development. For instance, was it the right strategy to trade Webster to get a Babbitt (a development player) vs using Webster in a trade for another veteran? Is it the right strategy to package a bunch of assets to go after a star player, or should we be looking for just one more complementary player right now. How long do we hold on to a Bayless and so forth. What is the personnel strategy we should have to build a winner? I never felt that KP had a strategy other than to acquire as many young assets as possible. But somewhere along the line you have to correctly (and that’s the difference between success and failure) cash in the assets to build a winner. I hope Cho is up to that.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cho

Your worried about his evaluation of players. He does the same thing we do but he has more time & is paid to do so. Yet we question him? Doesn’t make much sense.

Sell High On Aldridge

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

Do you just accept that anyone the Blazers hire is going to do as good a job as you would like? We know Chos’s a CBA guy and a statistics guy. That makes a good assistant GM. I’d prefer someone that has a great deal of experience evaluating players and developing personnel strategy for NBA teams. Cho’s never been a GM before and has never had the final say for those responsibilities. He has no track record to judge. As I said, I hope he’s up to the job. We just don’t know yet.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cho was a scout for # of years, as I remember.

So he does have experience in the area that you are concerned about. Remember, Cho’s strong points that he is a guy with multiple tools in the basket. Anyway, since we are going 2 assistant GMs, it’s likely that one of the guys will have scouting and personnel skills.

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Jul 31, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. As I said above, a lot depends on the assistant GM's he hires.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope that one of them is David Griffin.

I also hope that neither of them is an ex-player.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, I'm with you on Griffin...

but I can’t help but think PA won’t allow LeGarie clients on the payroll. I wonder if the position is attractive enough to Griffin that he might consider switching agents.

I read Griffin was angling for NOH’s recently filled GM spot, so might he be looking down the barrel of unemployment? Could he slip back into his PHX assistant job? Actually, I’m a little unclear as to whether he quit or just turned down the promotion. Anybody got any info on that front?

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Aug 1, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quit when Kerr did, as far as I remember.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought, but it wasn't plainly written that way...

leading me to believe he left himself some wiggle room, like a good bizness man.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Aug 1, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

1) This year will probably tell about Nate. I don’t think his assistants will do much to changed his philosophy. I don’t think he’s stubborn so much as convinced his system is best. I do think the offense is too stagnant, too little player movement, to win a championship without a dominating center. So Nate needs GO. As GO goes, so goes Nate.

2) LMA is worth his contract based on the going rate. I’m glad he didn’t play for team USA and risk any injuries. Let the college players have the Olympics and other “world” competitions.

3) Answered above.

4) Brandon can play with any PG, but he will be most effective with a PG that can shoot from deep so the defense can’t clog the middle against his drives. That’s more important than him needing the ball all the time. Two different issues. And I don’t think his ego has anything to do with it. I think he simply wants to do what’s best for the team. With maturity he will/is realizing that he can play off the ball more and still help the team. But that doesn’t mean he will or should drastically try to change his game.

5) Oden will still be great. (Think only positive thoughts about Greg!)

6A) Of course they should still hunt for a long-term PG. Miller is sub-optimum with Roy, and growing older.

6B) Highly unlikely Bayless is PG of the future here. Elsewhere, on a Golden State like team, I suppose he could be.

7) I think Batum will be a terrific player, but of course the fanbase is too high Batum. There is no way to be sure how much he will continue to improve and people are predicting he will be a sure all-star many times over. No one here knows for sure what offers the Blazers have had for Batum, so there is no way to know if they passed over anything to keep him.

8) The Blazers need a super star to win a championship. Is Roy a super-star? Probably by most definitions (ROY, 3 all-star selections in 4 years would seem to quality). Do we need someone else better than Roy to win a championship? We need Oden to play like a top 3 center in the league to win a championship with Roy and LMA. Get that and we don’t need another star player other than a long-term PG that fits well with Roy.

9) I’d guess Joel will still be here at training cap. I don’t think the Blazers can pull off a deal big enough to trade both Miller and Joel.

10) Anything that inhibits Paul Allen from having an advantage in using his money to acquire players affects us negatively. I expect the new CBA will do that by making the salary cap “harder”.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is sort of the definition of stubborn
I don’t think he’s stubborn so much as convinced his system is best.

if his sysem is not giving him the results he wants.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. If he doesn't get results and then doesn't change, that's stubborn (or stupid).

But you can’t complain about 54 wins and 50 wins (with the injuries). He seriously should have been [regular season] coach of the year last year.

However, he was out coached (IMO) in the playoffs for two years. I don’t think that is so much being stubborn as simply not being good enough to know how to adjust in a short series. Maybe it wouldn’t have mattered two years ago against Houston, but I thought he might still have won the series with Phoenix if he had found adjustments for Phoenix’ defensive moves. But that’s pure speculation and perhaps wishful thinking. I’m more worried about his ability than his stubbornness. But like I said, GO could erase the team’s defensive mistakes and a few coaching mistakes.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate's legacy in the league

will be a great team builder after a roster gets blown up. I think his game time adjustments are not good enough to win playoff series, but he knows how to turn kids into professionals and the NBA pretty much only drafts kids nowadays.

I am willing to see if part of his problem was the gameplan support he was getting from his staff. Shaking up his coaching staff even with the departures already happening is an encouraging sign.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You may very well be right.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is an extremely valuable roll

if it pans out that way. I think nate is great at that. The playoff coach thing might be his ceiling though. I hope I am wrong.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Larry Brown in 26 seasons

has coached teams into the playoffs 18 times

His first two playoff appearances he made the conference semifinals followed by an appearance in the conference finals (vs Nate’s 0-2).

6 of those appearances resulted in first round losses.
5 in conference semifinals losses.
3 in conference finals.
3 in nba finals and 1 title win.

Those first round losses came consecutively only once at the Clippers. The rest were spread out over time.

Comparing Nate to a HOF coach is way to premature…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

plus

Brown made the playoffs 7 out of his 11 first seasons vs 4 out 11 for nate

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Larry Brown is an absolute defensive mastermind, while Nate McMillan's use of Bob ...

Kloppenburg’s outdated, antiquated SOS pressure defense is poor coaching at its worst.

As a tactician and in-game coach, McMillan is trash. McMillan is solid at managing young guys who need guidence, sure. That, however, won’t win a title, which is the lone objective.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, that should read as guidance.

Anyway, typo aside, let me further expand that Nate McMillan’s career path in Portland is eerily similar to Mike Woodson’s career path in Atlanta, with this upcoming season being the last one for “Sarge” here in my opinion. By the time the 2010-2011 season comes to a close, McMillan will’ve thankfully worn out his welcome.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 3:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're both iso offense and switch p'n'r defense coaches, too.

The other big iso coach, Mike Brown, is out too…at least he put together a top-notch defense though.

Anyway, if McMillan doesn’t change or learn anything, then I agree.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Brown is actually a worse offensive coach than Nate McMillan and ...

Mike Woodson, which especially came to light immediately after John Kuester left for Detroit prior to last season. Brown, however, is certainly a way superior defensive coach to McMillan and Woodson.

Back to offense, though, the Cleveland Cavaliers had to have been the most iso heavy offense last season — since even the Portland Trail Blazers ran its high-low zone base sets during most of the game before going all 1-4 iso with Roy in crunch-time situations — which was what led to Brown’s demise.

Yet, as it is, it’ll be interesting to see what happens with Brown and Woodson. Heck, perhaps they’ll both end up in Detroit with Kuester — since they’ve both worked alongside him in the past, as he was under Brown in Cleveland and a fellow assistant with Woodson in Philadelphia and Detroit under Larry Brown — but who knows what the future bodes for them.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, Nate McMillan shouldn't've won the NBA Coach of the Year Award Award last season.

To me, the clear-cut choice should’ve been Scott Skiles; however, Scotty Brooks won it instead.

Regardless of that, though, McMillan was a mediocre coach at best last season, especially with regards to how he misused Greg Oden by forcing him to swtich too much on defense and sitting him way too often due to so-called foul trouble. The whole turmoil between McMillan and Andre Miller was a fifty-fifty thing, too, so he doesn’t skirt his equal share of the blame there, although Miller was no prince himself.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

50-50 thing

player vs coach is never a fifty fifty thing.. DO WHAT THE COACH WANTS OR GO HOME…. not getting sympathy from me. oh and I don’t what to hear the whole “it’s the coaches job to get players to agree/buy in etc. and if the player isn’t doing that then it is the coaches fault.”

by vullkem116 on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

if your employer was using you in a role that was, say, your fourth-best skill, when you could do three useful things that no one else in the company could do, would you be pissed?

I probably would. Especially after months and months of it.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't know that because of all the injuries

It seems to me like Nate is growing as the team is growing. The question might be can he adjust his system to the new players that we may acquire in respect to what they personally bring to the team? Such as Batum, he has grown so much offensively that he needs to exploit his new ability—-Will Nate expand his vision of Batum or will he keep him contained to defense and occasional kick out three or adapt his system of use of the SF to accommodate what Batum could bring to get full use of him?

Those are things we can’t predict because of the injuries of last year. Therefore we do not know if his system is right or wrong, but until proven wrong, I am sure he feels his is the best, wouldn’t you?

hg

by BBK on Jul 31, 2010 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone posting here can certainly step outside the rules. Just give me a general idea which way you swing on the statements I made above. Don’t mean to box anyone in with the agree/disagree stuff.

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Jul 30, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Here we go

1. Agree. Don’t like the coach too much and these new hires got Nate written all over it. I fully expect to see the offense next year with slightly less 3pters taken.

2. It’s true that LMA is over paid in this offense. Dante Cunningham, although not as tall, could essentially knock down the same jumpers LMA can at pretty much the same %

3. Disagree. I think PA did what he had to do

4. B Roy is the man. That’s all I have to say about that

5. Disagree. It’s Greg’s skills that won’t allow him reach the level fans expect not his health. People saw him as a potential 25-30 point guy and he wont get there. Especially in this offense, but mostly because he isn’t good enough

6. Obviously the Blazers should continue to hunt for a future PG, but only because Dre is getting older.

6B. Undecided, but only cuz I’m not sure what it takes to actually be a starting PG in the NBA anymore. It seems to be less about running a team than it used to.

7. Undecided. Nico’s is good. How good? IDK

8. Disagree. I’m not sure what defines a Superstar, but Roy is pretty good.

9. Agree. Unfortunately

10. I have know idea what’s gonna happen with the new CBA

by King Mar on Jul 30, 2010 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

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I agree with the Dante sentiment. Dante could probably play equal defense/rebounding as LA does now with the same minutes too. Except Dante would be playing up to his potential fully, while LA is getting those stats at like 70% of his capacity. Sad thing is, he likely won’t ever go more then 70%

Point Guard Of The Future is Terrence Williams.

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Camby + Cunningham > LMA at the 4

When you factor in defense, rebounding, Marcus’ shot-blocking and passing, there would not be a drop-off at PF if LMA was “replaced” by this combo. More touches for Oden and Batum will lead to more-efficient offense than those 15 shot attempts per game have produced for LMA

Oden+Przy will take care of center. Camby has been primarily a PF for the bulk of his career. He can defend stretch 4s and come from the weakside to swat shots. Dante has a tremendous motor and an innate knack for out-of-area rebounding. DC is tough and wiry and can box out more-physical players who normally give LMA fits, down low

I’m telling you, don’t be surprised if LMA isn’t part of the Blazer’s core going forward. He’s got a lot of ground to catch up re: the non-scoring aspects of his game and (based on practice facility and Rose Garden pregame observers) he doesn’t seem to want to do the extra work to improve in those areas

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your preaching to the choir !

I’m in the same boat my man. Now we just need to stop paddling & get ourselves a engine so we can get out of this lake !

Sell High On Aldridge

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Camby was 3-4 years younger

I would agree with most of the above. Also if the Pryz could get to 90% of what he was.
One is impossible the other is possible. Maybe.

by Jeffe Portland on Jul 30, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it has already been predetermined

that in Portland, Camby is a 5 and Dante is a 3, both with the ability to play the 4 for stretches.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

the org sees dante primarily as a 4

they say it in every interview they are asked that question. I have never heard them say otherwise.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Link?

I haven’t seen any interviews where they said that. It sure seems like they’re grooming him to be more of a SF.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://mobile.blazersedge.com/2010/7/21/1579446/talking-prospects-with-joe-cronin

When asked about Dante he says "To me, he is more 4 than 3. Definitely. " Now in several other areas including this interview and in the Buchanon interview it was mentioned that Dante could defend either position.

by 52therim on Jul 30, 2010 10:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I see Camby as the perfect 4/5 swingman

We just need a banger, too, to bring off the bench. KP was in love with the skinny guys.

In KP I trusted!

by LaoTzu on Jul 31, 2010 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

KP...

loved “length”. I remember him saying that length was the number one factor in determining whether a player was the best available when picking in the draft/considering a trade. Funny that he would say that, then draft Bayless and Mills…

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Aug 1, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Camby was a 5 because Juwan Howard was the only other option, last spring

but Marcus plays best in the high post and would be an ideal entry passer to Greg

I’m not saying that a trade involving LMA is imminent or anything. But if he was to miss a piece of the season, I think fans would see how little impact it would make on the team, especially if all of the other big guys were healthy

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

So rather than trading for a real 5, we traded for another 4 who could just play the position better than LMA or Juwan?

That makes sense….

Seriously, Camby is a 4/5, and he played center for both Denver and the Knicks. Also, Chris Kaman, his frontcourt mate in LA is simply a PF in a center’s body.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just reminding everyone that Camby is a 4

of course Marcus can play the 5, but that doesn’t mean he will be Oden’s primary backup center once Przy is healthy, again. Camby is not a better scoring PF than LMA, that’s obvious. But Marcus could be a very effective starting 4 alongside Oden, especially if Portland wanted to feature Greg and not rely on scoring from the PF as much as the last 3 years

I’m concerned that there won’t be enough touches for LMA and GO. We saw some of that controversy early, last season. Greg wasn’t touching the ball much down low early in games, then he’d pick up a could of quick fouls and be banished to the bench. I’d like to see Oden be more of a focal point in the offense, because he’s a much better passer than LMA or even Roy. The give and goes that Greg and Andre exectuted last year were reminiscent of Strickland and Sabas, and just when the two of them started to develop that synergy BANG! Greg was hurt.

Less of LMA and more of GO simply has to happen, and how LMA responds to not being the clear “option 2” will have a huge impact on team chemistry, early in the season

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

*couple

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought theLMA GO balance was starting to work itself out

when that injury occurred. That Chicago game was a thing of beaty all the way around. In fact it was probably the only “beautiful” offensive game of the season start to finish.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Juwan and Andre's respective dunk games were both beautiful ;)

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by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll see

The big issue is how each of them, and both of them, fits with Roy. If the team starts to run, as he keeps telling them to, and can get out in transition more (maybe Roy could launch more lob passes?), there will be more touches as a result of there being more possessions.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

always thot of camby as high post 5 as he played in denver

which opened the game for slashers. camby basically a hybrid, who can be a 4 in offensive set but is really a solid 5 on defense cause of his length.

by utahcoyote on Jul 31, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

in our defense, Camby is better suited for the 5

assuming Sarge’s switching schemes stay in sync this year, with the 4s switching on every pick and the 5s stepping out and then going back to their man. Camby does many things well, but he’s pretty weak at pick and roll defense, and playing him as a 4 exploits that far more than as a 5.

by sparks89 on Aug 1, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot depends on Joel's health, and whether Joel's traded.

But I agree Camby is 4/5. Circumstances will determine where Camby plays the most. I could see Camby coming off the bench for Oden (hopefully 8-10 minutes into the first quarter) and then moving to PF when LMA rests at the end of the first quarter if Joel is available to play. A lot depends on how many minutes Oden can stay in the game. If Oden goes out real early with fouls, then Joel could be first off the bench to make sure Camby is still fresh to backup LMA when he rests.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like having all 4 of them

I’m not really trying to bash (or “hate on” LMA) I’m jut putting his name out there as a potential trading chip. If Aldridge can adjust his game to complement Oden (less touches = more all-around game) then Portland’s frontcourt will be awesome. But I’m not conceding that Przy’s EC will need to be dealt, there’s a lot of hoops to be played between October and mid-Feb. Let’s see how all of the players collaborate before prematurely voting a couple of them off the island, that’s my ongoing take.

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by two4larue on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying that a trade involving LMA is imminent or anything.

However, if a move is made to upgrade the PG position, this thread is a fantastic argument for why it should be LMA’s name on the block before any other core player (Batum).

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by 500dogs on Aug 1, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really just wanted Bedgers to look at Camby in a different way

He could’ve just as likely signed that extension to be Portland’s starting PF as easily as the team’s backup center

it’s all up to LMA to prove this theory wrong, no one can do it except for him

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by two4larue on Aug 2, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hasn't Camby switched between PF and C his entire career?

He was the starting center for the Knicks and Nuggets and the starting power forward for the Clippers. He’s also getting quite old and is far worse on offense (50.1 TS% for last season, 50.9 TS% for career, higher turnover rate).

Cunningham had the same defensive rebounding rate as Aldridge last season, the team’s defense got slightly worse with Cunningham in (and slightly better with Aldridge in), and the team’s defensive rebounding got worse with Cunningham in (and better with Aldridge in) via 82games.com. He also had a lower TS% than Aldridge at 51.7%. Plus, he has only played 707 minutes in his entire career (749 minutes if you include the playoffs).

It’s fine to not like Aldridge, but to say that Camby or Cunningham will be better next season than Aldridge is a huge stretch in my opinion.

by poster on Jul 30, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh.

Your stats don’t impress me nor change my opinion. Seriously you are relying on them far too much.

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by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're not meant to impress.

They are there to be the basis of the other side of the argument. The stats say that what two4larue posted is likely inaccurate. Cunningham looks like he has good defensive potential, but he’s undersized and inexperienced. There’s a chance he’s better than Aldridge next year because of experience and confidence on the defensive end, but he likely was worse than Aldridge on defense last season. This includes my eyeball test in case you’re wondering.

As for Camby, he did start at center for many games in his career. That’s indisputable. I’m arguing that a 36-year-old Camby shouldn’t be playing so many minutes and has never been that good at offense. Again, the eyeball test shows me that his jumper is scary to watch and generally inaccurate and he also takes it too often; this is also a complaint I’d heard prior to his trade to the Blazers.

I like Aldridge more than most posters here; I’m guessing you like Aldridge less than most posters if your sig is “Sell High On Aldridge.” I think losing him would clearly hurt the Blazers. I think he’s a strong starter that still has a chance to play like an allstar if he makes a jump.

by poster on Jul 30, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

facts shmacts

the LaMarcus bashers tend to show disdain for quantifiable facts and want to only rely on their own negative impressions.

LMA won us more games than everyone except for Roy and Dre last season, who cares right?

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I care. Save LaMarcus from Kenny Vance and his ilk.

Mike Rice was going to join us until he realized that LaMarcus referred to Aldridge and not Camby.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only

You guys can watch an actual game, with your own eyes. Not numbers telling your story.

I think “clearly” is an overstatement. Yes scores a lot of points. Aside from that he provides nothing that is required of a championship team. You could find several bench players who will outplay him defensively & on rebounds.

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by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't pull out the "you must not watch games" card

It diminishes your argument and besides, it’s against the site rules. Seriously.

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by jamon51 on Jul 31, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even though I (mostly) agree with your main point

I do think LaMarcus could be replaced by Cunningham if we were to get another main scorer.

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by jamon51 on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh.

He only pointed out stats that supported his opinion. I take that as a stat based opinion. Which won’t fly in the NBA.

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by 420Phenom on Jul 31, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, it was a stat-based opinion.

However, it’s not like I didn’t watch every Blazer game last season. Aldridge simply put up better stats than Cunningham, which made that argument simple. Cunningham was better in some stats (turnover rate, steal rate, block rate, etc.), but I didn’t believe anything was large enough to suggest that Cunningham was capable of matching Aldridge. When one guy is a rookie who only played less than 800 minutes, it’s easy to show that he wasn’t as good as the starter who played 3000 minutes.

Camby put up completely different stats. He rebounded far better, he blocked a lot more shots, he got more assists, and his plus-minus was quite good. If you want to value those things more than Aldridge’s advantages, that’s fine. Aldridge was a lot better in some areas and a lot worse in others than Camby. However, he’s still only an old two-year stop gap like Andre Miller and the backup center, assuming Przybilla doesn’t enter the season completely healthy.

It should also be noted that stats are getting more and more used in the NBA. Our current GM and our previous GM both use a lot of stats. Our coach doesn’t completely ignore stats. Our scouts use a lot of stats. It’ll never be like baseball, but stats appear to have a role in the NBA.

by poster on Jul 31, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

As the old saying goes....
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are not, however, entitled to their own set of facts.”

Stats are evidence to support, or to call into question, different opinions. It makes me crazy when people simply dismiss evidence with a wave of their hand. It is certainly true that people can abuse stats and use them selectively to draw faulty conclusions. But that doesn’t mean they are useless, it means they should be used properly.

“Poster” is using stats to back up his opinion, and in my opinion using them reasonably and fairly. If you disagree, then use other stats that back your opinion, or point out how you think he is misusing the stats. Just saying “stats don’t matter” isn’t very persuasive, in my opinion.

by upper left corner on Aug 1, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watch the games

and LaMarcus does get more agressive as the season goes on. There were plenty of games last year where he was in fighting for boards. Plenty of sequences where he was down low getting swarmed by two or three defenders.

Now that does not mean he does not have things he needs to improve, particularly in the post, but he is not a garbage player that a bench player or two could easily replace.

LsMsrcus needs to improve:

1. How he handles double teams, particularly in pressure situations like in the playoff games.
2. Turn into the rim more on his post moves. He has quicker feet than a lot of 4s he needs to learn the footwork to get around them.
3. Help defense. His one on one is solid against most of his counterparts around the league (there are a few starters that give him fits, but honestly that is the case for everybody). Judging him on how he handles the bench hustle guys is not particularly fair because the guys like Varjow, Scola, Anderson and the likes whole purpose is to agitate and aggravate and they are experts at it.

I watch every game. I watch the home games at the arena and can focus on what individual players are doing. I have spent plenty of time focused on Aldridge’s defense. I then watch them at home as well. He has particular trouble with Boozer and the like but he is part of our formula for stopping Dirck which we were finalling figuring out this past season (marty being gone may hurt in this respect).

The problem with just watching the games and not caring about the numbers is your judgement is clouded purely by your stylistic preferences unless the player is a megastar (even if they are a megastar you likely only begrudgingly respect their game if they play a style you do not prefer). Numbers help make a reasoned judgment of performance. Sure watching the guys perform is important, even more important than the numbers, but it is not the only thing if you want to gauge how good a player is.

For example, I prefer a 2 guard that plays off the ball well. Watching Roy’s offense sometimes drives me nuts because he sucks up so much offense from the other players on the court. If I based my judgement of Roy only on that personal preference I would probably hate him as a player. Looking at the numbers tells me he is real good, efficient and will win my team a lot of freaking games so I have grown to love and respect his game despite my personal preference.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

on defense, Aldridge is good against perimeter guys/jump shooters

due to his extremely long arms.

However he’s fairly bad at post defense or isos.

This is from Synergy stats I’ve seen posted several times, and from watching. His long arms allow him to switch onto guards well, but as on offense, he doesn’t really body up on D inside.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, LaMarcus Aldridge is basically a Jared Jeffries clone on defense.

Jeffries is also considered good at what he does on defense — such as switching up top and handling perimeter players — but that’s his one skill.

Beyond that, though, Jeffries is an inferior defensive rebounder, an inferior shot blocker, and an inferior man-to-man post defender, which is the exact same as Aldridge.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMA is a decent shot blocker when he tries

though I guess having a skill is no good if you don’t use it.

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by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

His shot-blocking has declined every year

Block%:
4.2, 2.8, 2.0, 1.3.

Sigh.

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by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't think that Camby and Cunningham could average 18/8 for 37.5 mpg?

I think the two of them combined would exceed LMA’s per-36 numbers, easily

but I also don’t think they would need to receive 15 shots per game at the 4. They could score on open 15-18 footers in the flow of the offense, or off of offensive rebounds and put-backs. Instead of running plays for LMA, the offense could be run through Oden, with more opportunities for Batum.

Neither Camby or Cunningham alone can offer anything close to LMA’s offensive production, but as a combo in the rotation at the 4 the difference would not be very great, except at the defensive end where (teamed up with Oden or Przy at the center) they would be a huge improvement vs Portland’s interior defense, from last year

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your idea of Dante+Camby replacing LMA

really hinges on Greg’s health. If LMA were gone, and Greg went down, our frontcourt would be an offensive wasteland save for Dante who has no back to the basket game (neither does Camby, or Joel…just Greg and LMA). If Greg is out we’re not winning a title anyway, so maybe it’s a moot point, but I am not ready to have Dante be our best offensive big (he’s hardly even a big, though he is definitely more 4 than 3 if you ask me).

by sammymohawk on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your idea(our idea)

of success depends on GO. We could win a championship with Dante/Camby or LA/Whoever is GO stays healthy. But at least with Dante in there, all the team mates know you have a man who is giving his 100% effort.

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by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dante's role

is to go out there and spend every ounce of energy he can muster per/second on the floor. If he was out there for 38 minutes a game over an 82 game season, with Boozer and the like banging on you all night long, your perception of Dante would probably shift a little because he would need to slow down a little out of physical necessity. This is basketball not hockey, players are not subbed every 60 to 90 seconds…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like you later said, neither Camby nor Cunningham can offer anything close to LMA's offensive production.

I still don’t get why Camby + Cunningham is competing against LMA rather than LMA + Camby/Cunningham. Aldridge is the best of the three, so I don’t think Camby + Cunningham can match Aldridge anyway in the same minutes.

Furthermore, LMA teamed up with Oden or Przy would be a huge improvement vs Portland’s interior defense from last year. Without Juwan Howard/Pendergraph at center, the Blazers were actually a decent defensive team last year.

by poster on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still don’t get why Camby + Cunningham is competing against LMA rather than LMA + Camby/Cunningham

It’s a hypothetical scenario. If LMA was traded in a deal for an elite PG, how would his “replacements” fare at the PF? My projection is that the 4 position would be in capable hands, as long as everyone was healthy. (I’d also try to bring another backup 4 to Portland in the deal, to backfill the frontcourt depth, I’m not sold on Pendergraph)

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by two4larue on Jul 31, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

…as long as everyone was healthy

Red alert! Red alert! So if either went out it would be Dante or Camby with Pendy coming in? Ugh. I’d rather have Dante be the guy to plug an injury gap with an increased role rather than have to rely on someone behind him.

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by sammymohawk on Aug 1, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

In any deal involving LMA, I'd ask for another big man

For example, DeJuan Blair would be hypothetically coming back in the Parker deal to backfill the Blazer’s depth at the 4

Cunningham is going to need to play, sometime—and not just as a injury replacement.

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by two4larue on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested to see what we could get for LMA

I don’t think Tony Parker is enough of an upgrade over Miller to be worth it, personally, but I agree with the premise of this post.

Also, I think it’s fair to say that Camby is a high post player on offense, but can easily defend either the 4 or 5 on defense. So it kind of depends what your other big man is.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus Dante is learning to drive to the rim

Dante aggressively drives to the rim and scores, what more, he seems to enjoy it. He is not as tall but learned to front and has fast feet. AND HE PLAYS TOUGH DEFENSE.

Nevertheless, I love LMA where he is, but that does not take away from what Dante can bring.

hg

by BBK on Jul 31, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

on 5

 I think the expectation for Greg was a double double machine who changes the game on the defensive end of the floor. Dude just turned 22 he has time to get that offense looking better if he can stay on the court.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg?

25-30 point guy. I don’t know of any of my fan friends who expected that out of him. Double doubles with an occasional 20 pt game and solid, often game changing defense is what is expected from Greg. If healthy, he has shown he can become that guy.

by CougzRule on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was compared to Bill Russell

Good defense and rebounding with a little offense.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, that is what I remember

Russel not Wilt…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Artis Gilmore is probably a more realistic ceiling

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably

But Russell was the comparison at the time. I’m talking about past expectations. I think we’re way beyond expecting Oden to only have a limited contribution on offense.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I abhor the Bill Russell comparison, for it was 100% wrong even from Greg Oden's short ...

time at Ohio State. Stylistically, Oden and Russell were like complete opposites. I also cringed any time someone mentioned Hakeem Olajuwon or David Robinson, since those two legends were remarkably unique athletic marvels for men of their height. Shaquille O’Neal was another terrible comparison, too, since the “Big Aristotle” in his prime combined brute strength, smooth athleticism, and refined skill that’s rarely seen in a 7-footer.

Heck, when Oden came out of Ohio State, the Patrick Ewing comparison was the spot-on one. As it was, their similarities — especially as ultra-efficient forces inside on offense and dominant interior defenders — were immense. Ewing, however, did alter his game somewhat in the NBA — as he developed a mid-range and baseline jumper, moved further away from the basket, and saw his scoring efficiency and offensive rebounding numbers consequently take a dip — while Oden has instead stayed true to form when healthy. Oden, therefore, isn’t a modern-day Ewing, but rather a modern-day Artis Gilmore.

Now, on a similar, yet slightly different note, Dwight Howard is an interesting cat to analyze from a scouting perspective when comparing him to past players. In fact, here’s a comment of mine about Howard: “[He] combines Darryl Dawkins’ supreme athleticism and above the rim offensive game, Moses Malone’s tenacious rebounding, and Alonzo Mourning’s shot blocking prowess on defense.”

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/7/2/1549576/friday-free-agency-news-thread#41133966

At any rate, though, here’s a snipet of game footage involving Gilmore back from the 1981 NBA Playoffs, which was during his time with the Chicago Bulls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u4lUfJXXyk

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, the Bill Russell comparison for Greg Oden was lazy from the onset. It was just a lazy, lazy ...

comparison that hacks used because Russell is a big name. If anything, Oden coming out of Ohio State was like Patrick Ewing coming out of Georgetown in the mid-’80s. After some time in the NBA, though, Oden has shown himself to be more comparable with an ultra-efficient back-to-the-basket pivotman who posts up down on the low block, plays rugged man-to-man interior defense, and hits the boards hard like Artis Gilmore of yesteyear.

Anyway, Marcus Camby is more comparable to Russell than Oden. Like Russell, Camby is a face-up scorer, roams the high-post, is a good high-low facilitator, is a fairly inefficient scorer, is a better help defender than man-to-man defender, is springy rather than bulky physically, et cetera.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

We all know that now.

First of all, Russell, as a player coach, was more than a player, and greater in that regard as a leader than Oden will ever be. Second, the Russell comparison stemmed from the idea that Oden would be primarily a defensive/rebounding big in the NBA. However, Russell was one of the greatest rebounders and defenders of all time, a level of talent we may never see again.

However, we’re talking about what people expected out of Oden at the time he was drafted, not what we should have, could have, might have, and couldn’t have predicted at the time.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even when Greg Oden was at Ohio State, the Bill Russell comparison was utter hogwash.

As I explained above, the gargantuan stylistic differences between them were so glaring that I can’t fathom how so many people couldn’t see it. Heck, it was as clear as day.

As it was, Russell’s claim to fame was being a 6’9" tall and physically lean high-post center who played outstanding weakside help defense — as noted by his superb rebounding and shot blocking numbers, although those have to be adjusted for pace — with marvelous high-low facilitating skills for cutters. Russell, however, was a bit flawed in that he was inefficient on offense due to his game being predicated on shooting his fair share of face-up jumpers to go with garbage points off off putbacks via offensive rebounds.

Oden, on the other hand, is a true 7-footer with a power-oriented pick-and-roll and back-to-the-basket offensive game at Ohio State, which led to him being tremendously efficient. In addition, Oden’s greatest asset on defense is playing man-to-man against fellow pivotmen. Oden is a fine weakside help defender, too, as noted by his shot blocking numbers — while his defensive rebounding numbers are equally as impressive — however, he does have a tendency to get into foul trouble when being late on rotations and hacking the opponent.

For me, the reason I was irked by the comparison of Oden to Russell in 2006 and 2007 has nothing at all to do with Russell’s vast accomplishments; rather, it has to do with the stylistic difference. When making player comparisons, people need to account for both statistical and stylistic similarities. With Russell, Oden was dissimilar to him in each of those ways.

Coming out of Ohio State, the most apt all-around comparison for Oden was Georgetown era Patrick Ewing. As we’ve seen so far, though, Oden and Ewing took noticeably different paths regarding their respective games at the NBA level — as Oden stuck with what worked in college, while Ewing adjusted his offensive game somewhat to make it more versatile, yet less efficient at scoring and proficient at offensive rebounding — thus, Oden as a NBA player a couple seasons into his career is observably more comparable to Artis Gilmore.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, I agree with you

We all know that it was a bad comparison at the time, and especially now. We were talking about what was expected out of Oden at the time he was drafted. At that point, most people erroneously compared him to Bill Russell, that’s all I’m saying. Ease up a little, ok?

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was going full throttle there.

I’ve got a lead foot sometimes, but it’s all good.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember differently

I could be wrong, but I remember a lot of people predicting big things from Greg on both ends of floor. I don’t think anybody in favor a using a No. 1 pick on a center looks at him says man I hope he gives me 10 and 10. I heard comparisons from Russell to Duncan to Shaq. Being a KD fan, and in the minority, I had to argue with pretty much everybody I encountered. They said Oden would be unstoppable. Maybe 25-30pts is an exaggeration, but I think most people thought he’d be better offensively than he is. If all we were getting was a double double we’d of been better off with Durant and moving back up to take Noah.

by King Mar on Jul 31, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

a 23 PER in his second season (effectively) is superstar territory

His offensive efficiency is VERY good – best in the league territory, and yet he is still very raw

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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, 10-10 and 20-15 are both double-doubles

And the group of guys who can average either is pretty small. I mean, Dwight Howard is considered the game’s best center right now at 18, 13, and 2.7 (I’d still give the edge to Duncan, at this point, even though he’s a 4/5), so it’s not unreasonable to say that Greg Oden would have been considered to have franchise center potential, even if he only gave you 16, 14, and 3 every night. That’s not a ton of offense, but still game-changing potential.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Dwight is considered the best right now, but I wouldn’t consider him dominant.
( I think we’ve had this conversation before, so I’ll FF>>>).

To me there isn’t much difference from a 16 and 13 Oden/Howard and a 10 and 11 Pryz/Noah/Dampier. One is more ferocious and appealing to fans but in terms winning games there isn’t much difference. Obviously, surrounding Oden or Howard with shooters will go a long way, but, ultimately, shooting jumpers aint gonna win nothing. If someone wanted to make the argument that dominant big men win titles then they’d have to be referring to a 25 and 10 guy like a Shaq, or Duncan. Since all the talk leading up to the Oden draft was about big men winning titles like Shaq and Duncan I’m assuming people projected Greg to be a dominant scorer and defender.

P.S. I know Timmy doesn’t have career averages of 25 and 10 but during the playoffs those are the type of performances we got from TD

by King Mar on Jul 31, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Tim Duncan is quite possibly the best 5/4 in NBA history. In fact, the only way anyone ...

could argue otherwise is if they consider Hakeem Olajuwon to have been a 5/4, too, which pretty much depends on how you look at his time in the Twin Towers lineup. Now, I was just a tot back then; yet, from the YouTube clips I’ve seen of the Houston Rockets in the playoffs against teams like Los Angeles and Boston in 1986, Ralph Sampson was like a 4 on offense — since he was mostly a face-up player in spite of his 7’4" frame — and a 5 on defense, while the opposite was true of Olajuwon. The Los Angeles Lakers and the Boston Celtics were kind of in the same boat, too, as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Robert Parish had sophisticated face-up games, which was a decent matchup for Sampson and allowed Olajuwon to take on the likes of Kurt Rambis/Maurice Lucas/Mitch Kupchak on the Lakers — who were majorly overmatched — and the Celtics Kevin McHale, who had some of the all-time greatest footwork on the low block.

Here’s some highlights from the 1986 Western Conference Finals between the Rockets and the Lakers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ff4LD9VkE

For a lot of that game, the Lakers put Abdul-Jabbar on Olajuwon in an attempt to slow him down somewhat. It was to no avail, though, for the aging legend was overmatched by the young man’s supreme talents.

But yeah, I guess my point here is that Olajuwon is arguably the all-time best 5/4 in lieu of Tim Duncan. It’s really just a matter of semantics and how someone defines positions on the court, though.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd put Moses Malone right there with Olajuwon.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 1, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hakeem Olajuwon is arguably a top-10 player in NBA history, while Moses Malone ...

comes in around at the 15th to 20th spot or thereabouts. So yeah, I’d take Olajuwon over Malone without any hesitation. Heck, based on pure talent and statistical production, I’d even take David Robinson over Malone. That choice wouldn’t be a no-brainer, though.

If we look at it in tiers, Olajuwon lands in the 4th tier. After that, players like Robinson and Malone would land in the 5th tier along with roughly 10 or so other players.

TIER #1
Michael Jordan (The best there is, the best there was, and the best there may ever be.)

TIER #2
Bill Russell (While overrated as an individual, he was the optimal team player of his era.)
Wilt Chamberlain (In a way the antithesis of Russell, but still a winner in his own regard.)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (The most skilled and versatile center ever, with longevity to boot.)

TIER #3
Larry Bird (Along with Magic Johnson, he was a transcendent player of the ’80s.)
Magic Johnson (Along with Larry Bird, he was a trasncendent player of the ’80s.)

TIER #4 (Positional Order)
Shaquille O’Neal (During his prime when giving it 100%, he was a the dominant force.)
Hakeem Olajuwon (For a center, an athletic marvel whose skills were a sight to behold.)
Tim Duncan (The ultimate on-court professional and purveyor of the staggered dynasty.)
Kobe Bryant (If not for the five rings, he’d be a tier lower; though, winning is still winning.)
Jerry West (As an efficient scorer and defensive whiz, he was ahead of his time at guard.)
Oscar Robertson (Fast pace aside, the “Big O” was a statistical machine for a big guard.)

TIER #5 (Positional Order)
David Robinson (As naturally gifted as Olajuwon, but without the killer instinct.)
Moses Malone (A beast who plowed his way to the top, no matter those w/ him.)
Kevin Garnett (Due to a prime wasted up in the hinterland, he earned his ring.)
Karl Malone (Defense wins championships, which is why he’s ringless.)
Charles Barkley (Defense wins champisons, which is why he’s also ringless.)
LeBron James (When he retires, I expect him to reach tier #3 w/ Bird & Magic.)
Julius Erving (A grand career, albeit more about individual goals than winning.)
Elgin Baylor (The Carmelo Anthony of his era, which is a definite knock on him.)
Scottie Pippen (He seems to be one of the most underrated players in history.)
Dwyane Wade (A modern-day Oscar Robertson, with time to build his legacy.)
John Stockton (The greatest pure point guard to ever play the game, bar none.)
Isiah Thomas (I believe his teammates defensive play carried him to two titles.)
Walt Frazier (In the ’70s, a rare floor general with hulking size and stingy defense.)

Regarding the tiers, I did my best to be unbiased with the list. Oh, and even though guys like Rick Barry or John Havlicek have an argument for the 5th tier, I decided to cut it off at 25 guys total. Also, super old-timers like George Mikan and Bob Cousy didn’t receive any consideration due to the canyon-sized gap in eras.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect you were too young to watch Wilt play much, if at all.

Had you watched Wilt over many years I think your list would be different. Wilt was not only the best player ever, he was the best athlete to ever play in the NBA.

Some of his stats:

Scoring –
Averaged 50.4 points per game for an entire season.
Averaged 34 pts or more 6 times (Jordan did it twice)
Averaged 30.1 pts for his career (ironically exactly the same as Jordan)
100 point game

Rebounding —
averaged 22.9 for his career
all-time NBA leader in rebounds
led the league 11 years, 2nd twice in his 14 years of playing

Assists –
Led the league in total assists one year (only center ever to do that)
2nd in the league in assists per game one year, and 3rd another year
4.4 assists per game career as a center

PER (for those that think this is an important stat) – led the league 8 years, 2nd twice

Minutes per game –
led the league 9 times
first all-time for career 45.8 minutes per game (Jordan averaged 38.3)
Never fouled out of an NBA game, averaged only 2.0 per game career

I know everyone that lived through the Jordan era and is too young to have watched Wilt’s career will disagree.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 2, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another Wilt stat I love --

One year he averaged 48.5 minutes a game! That’s right, more than 48 minutes a game.

He also had 4 seasons averaging over 47 minutes a game.

Just one more -

He averaged over 27 rebounds a game in 2 seasons.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The season Wilt Chamberlain won a championship with the Los Angeles ...

Lakers in 1971-1972, his regular season average of rebounds per game was 19.2; however, his TRB% was just 20.1%. So, even though that’s a mighty fine number, it’s far from a record-breaking stat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html

During Chamberlain’s heyday, teams flew down the court at a blistering pace and, moreover, were less efficient than the ballclubs of today; thus, there were way more rebounds available to be grabbed during a 48 minute game.

by AK1984 on Aug 2, 2010 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The flaw with comparing base stats -- such as points per game, rebounds ...

per game, et cetera — across eras is the enormous gap in pace and league-wide shooting efficiency.

by AK1984 on Aug 2, 2010 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok

1. Disagree: Nate’s problem is that he plays playoff style basketball during the regular season. Give it time. People think it costs us games, when that isn’t true. Nate’s offense is not broken, in fact, it is one of the best in the league. His defense needs fixing, but I believe that will come with time, and personnel changes.

2. Overpaid might be a stretch. There are a lot worse contracts in the league. I think he’s in the Andre Igoudala category of bad contracts, whereas most people seem to think he’s in the Monta Ellis/Corey Maggette/Rudy Gay/Emeka Okafor category. However, I do think he should have tried out for the Olympic team. I know, I know, he wanted to rest his body, spend time with his kid, etc. I’d be surprised if he’d be the only guy giving up time with his family, and there are guys who played just as many minutes as he did during the regular season on the U.S. team.

3. Will we ever really know? I don’t see how our championship goals have been de-railed or set back, so it’s not something to worry about.

4. I think it depends. He CAN change his game to fit anyone, but I don’t know if he WOULD. If Monta Ellis became our starting PG and wanted all of Brandon’s touches, I think there would be problems, and rightfully so. There seemed to be some with Andre (which may have been overstated by the media), but if we had a PG like Deron Williams or Chris Paul, he would adapt so that we could win.

5. We’ll see, but I think Greg Oden, not the PGotF, will be The Missing Piece.

6. Keep looking? Yes. But that hunt absolutely MUST include Bayless. He deserves at least one more season, if not two.

7. Batum has an incredible ceiling. We won’t know how much of his potential he can realize for at least a few years, at least.

8. Disagree. The only thing that separates Roy from K*be is a rape accusation (not necessary for superstar status) and an ELITE big man. Hopefully, Oden will fix the latter this season.

9. Depends on whether we can use his contract as a salary ballast for a big trade. He makes too much to be a third stringer, and his EC has real trade value, especially packaged with a young prospect. If not, I’m looking forward to having the best frontline in the NBA this fall.

10. No one knows, but with Paul Allen as owner, and hopefully Oregon’s most important sports figure (Knight) will buy it down the road, money won’t be that big of an issue. He’ll spend big to keep us in contention.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 7:53 PM PDT reply actions  

In all fairness

We had to play Yao against the Rockets, the L*kers didn’t (for half a series) and still went to 7 games. And we got 2 wins against the Suns, without either of our franchise players, who went on to sweep a healthy Spurs team and lose to the eventual champs in the WCF.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of people aren't interested in being fair

I would have thought it was obvious that Houston was just a really good team and the PHX series was totally lopsided in terms of talent lost to injury (don’t forget Batum’s injured shoulder and Camby’s ankle in addition to Roy and Oden and Joel), but since that’s the only lack of glaring success Nate’s had in the last couple years, people who want to bash him cling to those playoff series as if he was the reason we lost.

by sanjait on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate admitted that his assistants didn't keep up with the Sun's adjustments

I think that was a big part of why McMillian brought in veteran coaches to his staff, so he would be better-prepared to exploit matchups, rather than to be exploited in the post season

Next April is all-or-nothing for Nate, I have a hard time believing that Allen will bring him back in 201102012 if Portland goes one-round-and-out, again

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Nate McMillan brought in two ancient assistants with hideous track records and ...

a third guy, Buck Williams, who’s nothing more than an inexperienced player development coach for frontline players — who’ll probably tune him out like what happened with Jerome Kersey under Terry Porter in Milwaukee — so yeah, color me unimpressed with this piddling coaching staff.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? You're comparing Mac to Porter as a coach?

There’s a reason one of them has been out of work for a while, and the other is part of Coach K’s team. I know you’re not a McMillan fan, but saying that Williams will tune him out like Kersey (and almost everyone else who coached under or played for Porter) did to TP is kind of a stretch. Nate does a pretty good job, overall, of getting players to buy in to the system, and the players who don’t have pretty good reasons (Frye, Rudy, and Sergio are not made for his offense, but none are the type of player you change your system for).

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm saying the players will tune out Buck Williams in Portland like the players ...

players tuned out Jerome Kersey in Milwaukee. And yes, I agree that Nate McMillan is a better coach than Terry Porter; that’s not saying much, though.

At any rate, though, Kersey never tuned out Porter in Milwaukee — nor did any of his other assistants, which included old-timers Mike Schuler and Bob Ociepka — but the players sure turned on them. Here’s a snipet from the article by Kerry Eggers, too.

“Porter’s assistant in Milwaukee, Jerome Kersey, is living in Vancouver, Wash., and also has another year on his contract that the Bucks must honor after letting him go. Kersey and Porter’s teammate all 10 years in Portland and says he is disillusioned with the NBA game and may not coach again. Word was Kersey and fellow assistant Mike Schuler were let go at least in part because players complained they were too hard on them.

"’The approach to the game has changed so much,’ Kersey says. ‘It’s like you have to be so hands-off the players now. You can’t say anything to them; you have to baby them. But if you can’t offer constructive criticism, what’s the use of being a coach? What are you there for? Maybe I’m just too old school.’"

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=31223

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, I misunderstood your main point

and I obviously don’t know enough about the coaching situation in Milwaukee.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

Jury is still out. The pressure is on to win a playoff series this coming April.
 

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.

If Oden remains healthy, LMA. must make a serious adjustment to his game and role this season. Otherwise his contract could make him a WARP casualty. Are Cho and Allen in LMA’s corner? We’ll find out


3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

It was time for a change, KP jumped the shark in July 2009. Allen is still one of the best owners in pro sports and Portland fans are lucky to have Paul and one major league team in this town. If a “big splash” trade is done this offseason it will have PA’s fingerprints all over it.
 

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

It’s already been done. There’s no need to ask this question anymore.
 

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.

No, he’ll get stronger as his body matures.


6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.

They should add Tony Parker for his playoff experience, if they can convince the Spurs to part with him.

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

 
Bayless has the right stuff to start alongside Roy in the future, but he won’t be ready to do it this year. He will defend PGs, but that doesn’t mean he needs to play like a traditional PG at the other end of the floor.

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

 
There is no one here on BE who has overvalued Nic, yet. What he has done at age 20-21 in spite of shoulder problems is remarkable. Anyone who puts a limit on Batum’s future is just guessing when he will plateau. If Frenchy can stay healthy and in a Blazer uniform he will be considered the franchise’s best all-around SF in less than 10 years.

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.

 
Not even. I have high hopes for Oden and Batum. Cho’s “missing pieces” could just as likely be veterans who fill key roles and provide vital post season experience.

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

 
Don’t ever bet against Joel, he will make you look silly.

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

No telling. If Oden is healthy in the preseason I’d lock him up, just in case.

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I have question, out of curiosity:

In your response to #7, are you considering the entirety of Pippen’s career, or just when he was with the Blazers?

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blazer career

And if you look at Portland’s roster at the time, Pippen wasn’t even the SF. Well, Augmon and Schrempf were. Scottie would run the offense and was more of a PG than Damon was, and Pippen generally defended SGs in ’99-01

What he did with Chicago and Houston has no bearing on his Blazer legacy, in my book

Kersey was the highest-rated SF on the Blazer’s top 40 list, I expect Batum to surpass Jerome in 5 years. There are a lot of similarities between the two, but Kersey didn’t have a jump shot until his late 20s, and Nic is already a 40/50/90 marksman and a much better individual defender

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

*Wells

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think with Batum

You can look at the career arc of a guy like Reggie Miller, quite high expectations I know. I’m not quite sure Nicolas has the court vision to be a point forward type of guy but I would absolutely embrace it if it happens.

Point Guard Of The Future is Terrence Williams.

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's an incredibly smart player, though

I think his handles would be more of an obstacle than court vision, which seems pretty good, he just doesn’t seem to get the ball when we need someone to make a play. I’d kind of like to see him left in the game with the scrubs a bit, staying in the starting lineup, but maybe have Matthews play some extra minutes with the starters to allow Batum to run plays with the second unit and see how it goes.

Reggie Miller with great defense would be incredible though.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It should be Ociepka

Who oversaw Reggie Millers break out season as an assistant.

No doubt. Bickerstaff will have a big role in developing Nic too.

Sell High On Aldridge

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its funny

Because we brought in Bickerstaff, who was the HC when Gerald Wallace started to become an allstar too.

Sell High On Aldridge

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I did know that!

I am hopeful there, as Dante Cunningham, if he reminds me of anyone in the NBA, seems like Wallace 2.0, or a poor man’s GW. I don’t know though, Bickerstaff seems more like a X’s and O’s kind of guy, and less of a development guy, though he has spent a lot of time with rebuilding teams.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say that Gerald Wallace truly hit his stride these past two seasons ...

under Larry Brown, since his TS% improved on offense and his defense vastly improved — particuarly concerning the defensive glass and being a top-three player in defensive rating for the 2009-2010 season — plus, this is when he became an actual All-Star and named to the All-Defensive First Team.

Oh, and most importantly with regards to coaching, the Bobcats defense became a force to be reckoned with under Brown, which wasn’t the case with Bernie Bickerstaff — or the season in between with Sam Vincent — and that’s what led to the playoff bearth last season.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personnnel has something to do with that, though

I mean, it’s indubitable that Brown is one of the best defensive coaches in the game, but he had a little more to work with, especially with S-Jax and all those centers.

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Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

George Irvine, who's a UW legend, deserves most of the credit for helping ...

Reggie Miller develop his shooting stroke with the Indiana Pacers during the late-’80s.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/351326-update-how-to-shoot-a-basketball

Also, here’s some quotes by Irvine about Miller.

"Prior to meeting Reggie, I had the pre-conceived notion that he would be one of those “Hollywood brats.” Instead, I found him to be more of a small-town kid, a salt-of-the-earth type; it was obvious that he came from a good family background.

"Reggie was always great to coach. He was always a hard worker, from Day One. He was bright, very coachable, a quick study, and, of course, talented.

"He is best known for his three-point shooting and his competitive drive (who can ever forget some of his amazing exploits in the clutch), but what I appreciated him more for were other qualities, qualities one would see off the court. I had two young sons, who were at a very impressionable age, when Reggie joined the Pacers. Reggie was always so good with them, almost like a big brother. He always had time for them, and he was such a good, positive role model for them.

"As a parent, I have always appreciated the role model he was, and how thoughtful he was of them, but his thoughtfulness did not stop with my kids. Reggie was always thoughtful of others, no matter how big of a star he became. He always had time for others It is easy to admire his basketball abilities and all he has accomplished, and rightfully so. However, I admire much more who Reggie Miller is as a person, and I feel very fortunate to have had the opportunity to get to know that person.

"It was a privilege to coach and watch Reggie out on the floor, but it has been an honor to be able to have him as a friend. It is going to be strange not to have a Reggie Miller out there in his Pacer uniform. It’s a loss for the Pacers, and for the entire NBA. Thank you Reggie for all you have done, and thank you for being you."

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/reggie_tributes.html

Bob Ociepka’s forte has never been as a shooting coach.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not quite sure Nicolas has the court vision to be a point forward type

You’ve gotta remember that he’s been 20-21 and he’s on an NBA team that doesn’t run any offense through him, they just started to let him catch, dribble and shoot (like Outlaw used to) towards the end of the regular season.

I think fans will get a real eye-opener if they can watch Nic with his French team next month. Last August he showed a lot more ballhandling and slashing skills in Eurobasket than he has had the chance to do yet, in Portland. It’s just a matter of time, though. The thing I like most about Frenchy is that he’s driven to be great, and he’s already got a great feel for the game at a young age.

Trying to compare him to NBA greats (in their prime) at this stage of his career is silly, but folks will try to do it, anyway, as statistical point of reference. What Nic “already is” is perfect for what the Blazers need, and he’s only going to get better with age, as he gains confidence and the team gives him more responsibility in the offense. Just about every NBA team wants him, and that should tell us how highly Batum is regarded around the league

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

…watch Nic with his French team next month. Last August he showed a lot more ballhandling and slashing skills…

He took on PG duties when Parker was flown back to SA for that finger issue last year and I think they won the game.

The main weakness I see in Batum’s handle is his problem with passing while in motion. There were a couple times last season where there was a steal and the break ran through him and he turned it over. These may have been isolated incidents but I remember a few similar situations that led me to believe it might be an easily remedied issue, but an issue all the same. I say easily remedied because he is obviously a talented passer (who inbounds? Nico inbounds…or Rudy) and has shown improved dribbling skills his Sophomore year.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Aug 1, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

With that clarified

it seems like a remarkably realistic claim. Crazy to think he might be that good.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pippen suckled off of MJ's teet

he did nothing without MJ

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

and he won what exactly in 94?

If you’re measure of greatness of a player resides on them being able to win 50+ regular season games I can not find one reason why you are down on so many of the players on our current roster, we are already just one game shy of that mark and all of them are basically younger than Pippen was when that performance was turned in.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh come on

Games won or even team accolades won tells you nothing about a single player’s skills or talents or abilities or whatever. Those things just tell you about the TEAM.

Anyway, consider a vaguely analogous current situation. LeBron, the best player in the league (don’t give me that crap about titles, he’s the best single player, hands down) leaves the Cavs. They’ll probably win 30 fewer games.

MJ, the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME, left a team, and they lost ONLY TWO MORE GAMES. That’s mindblowing.

Pippen was a good #1 player and a freaking incredible #2 player.

If your measure of greatness of a player is only based on whether his teammates were good enough to compete at a high level, then I give up.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget about KG.

He wins the all time award for best player with crappiest teammates until the trade to Boston. ALL statistical models show he was the best player in the league when he played for the Timberwolves and couldn’t get past the first round.

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by Muad'Dib on Aug 1, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

The year Kevin Garnett won the NBA MVP Award -- which was 2003-2004 -- it ...

should be noted that the Minnesota Timberwolves made the Western Conference Finals and took the Los Angeles Lakers to six games. Sam Cassell had a pretty fine season, too, but the rest of guys — including Latrell Sprewell — were below average. So yeah, you’re about mostly correct here with one small omission.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh of course.

Good catch.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I wish I had thought of this.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 30, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's a good idea - plus the questions summarize the polarizing issues very well

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So true.

Its a very nice night time discussion thread.

Point Guard Of The Future is Terrence Williams.

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

my turn!

1. Uncertain. My gut tells me that he is too controlling to allow a team to crystallize as it must. However, he has a lot of the other pieces, discipline, focus, inspiration. Letting go can happen.
 
2. Disagree. Fair money for a good talent.
 
3. Uncertain. Not enough information to say. It has felt like the PTB management was not all on the same page the last couple of years. If the firing of KP solves that, it is justified.
 
4. Disagree. Until we see the Portland’’s offense play like a team, and Brandon make an effort on the defensive end, there is no reason to assume he will put the team first. Haven’t seen much evidence of it yet.
 
5. Uncertain. But likely.
 
6A. Agree. And for every other position as well!

6B. Agree. Bayless will really surprise me if he is a point guard in this league. I see him as a junior BRoy. Likes to be the man; Not much of a facilitator; Great at attacking the basket.
 
7. Disagree. We don’t know how good he’ll be, but his ceiling is so high, there are few players worth trading him for.

8. Disagree. Superstars are overrated. Balance, length and overall talent is the way.
 
9. Disagree. I think the trade won’t happen until the season develops a little.
 
10. Don’t know!

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Jul 30, 2010 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

hokay

1) Undecided.
I really need to see what happens this season. There’s been talk about B-Roy wanting to be able to run more, and Nate Mac likes to play to his strengths. The possession control-based offense is a good defense, but I think that we will look to run more. Wesley Matthews is a great addition for his ability to get deflections and score on the break. These factors might convince Nate that our strengths have broadened.

2) Agree
At this point, he needs to be an all-around player, and from what I’ve heard this summer, he’s spending his time working up his offensive game. That reporter was almost prodding and imploring him to say “I’m working on my defensive game”…crickets.

3) Disagree
When the smoke cleared, we still didn’t really know why. But I’m inclined to believe the Warren LeGarie meddling meddlesome meddler tale.

4) Agree

5) Disagree
I hold out faith that he will be a force to be reckoned with for years to come on the court.

6) Agree, on both A and B.
Bayless is a spark-plug combo guard who’s ceiling is a Jason Terry/Jamal Crawford 6th man. Could be 6th man of the year… could be with the Blazers. But we need to search for that starter.

7) Disagree
The possibilities were exciting, but I think Nicolas will be as important to the championship team as LA, maybe even B-Roy. This is only possible with Greg being our dominant force.

8) Disagree
While LA may be a 3rd level star, B-Roy is all but there. Joe Johnson is nearing the end of his prime, whereas Roy is entering his. A little more commitment on the defensive end and a victorious playoff series is all he needs to enter the superstar echelon.

9) Undecided
It’s still very possible that we ship his contract out this summer, and it will look even more tantalizing come February. If he’s healthy before he’s traded, then it’s possible that Joel will don the pinwheel again. But if Greg is a healthy player, then Joel is expendable, and I don’t see the Blazers passing up on a juicy deal for our expiring contract(s)

10) Undecided
I still need to read up on the possible changes. A lockout wouldn’t be good in any case, like the recent TV writers’ strike X a boozillion

by sparks89 on Jul 30, 2010 8:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford would be fine starters next to someone like BRoy

That said, maybe we need just a role-player starting PG, and Bayless could play heavy, and I mean heavy for a bench guy, minutes off the bench? I personally think McMillan would overplay whoever the starter was, à la Steve Blake.

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

Role player starting PG. I hate to say it but Nate McMillan as a player, would arguably be the perfect fit.

The body & defensive aptitude to defend both guard spots.(Necessary next to Roy)
Didn’t need to score big numbers(very rare for any PG in the NBA these days)
Hit the open shots.
Be able to run the team & make the extra pass.
Out rebound your man.

I’m looking at this & all I can come up with is Terrence Williams. Spent time tutored by Gary Payton. The very same who played with Nate all those years. The very same who had a voice in McMillans ear during summer league. Great defender, arguably can defend 1-3 at an NBA level. Has vastly improved his 3-pt shot since his junior year. Terrence could learn so much from Andre in a few years, backing him up. Then, in two years when TWill takes over, imagine Williams/Roy/Batum/Matthews, arguably the most complete front court in the NBA. The switching, the size, would be impeccable.

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by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

I overlooked that, but in terms of offensive fit, I think either one would be perfect. And the question was more about Bayless, since I don’t think we’ll acquire either Terry or Crawford. Since Bayless is a better defender, and is showing signs of a developing (ore re-developing?) a perimeter game, would he not be a suitable fit if his ceiling is indeed that high?

by HailOden! on Jul 30, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

that is what Bayless needs to do to fit that role; master the perimeter game, and play off the ball. his defensive game only needs maturity to be a potent weapon on the perimeter, so if he can hit the three consistently, then I’m fairly sold on Bayless.

by sparks89 on Jul 31, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. disagree- I think Nate Mcmillan is just the coach to get us over the top.
2. undecided- Maybe he really does need the rest that he said he needed. It’s important that his body is ready for next season
3. Agree- Paul Allen handled the situation wrong. I like the Cho hire, but he’s no KP.
4. Undecided- He needs the ball in his hands to be a big factor and hasn’t proven otherwise.
5. Disagee- I think he’s just had really bad luck and I still feel like he can be a dominant player.
6A. Agree (sort of) – Though we shouldn’t give up half the team to get one. Andre Miller is fine for now. And I have a sneaky suspicion that Armon Johnson might be our future PG. He reminds a lot of Rondo.
6B. Agree- I feel that he could be a starting 2 guard on another team though if he’s one of the top scoring options on a team. (He had a couple great games when he was filling in for Roy)
7. Disagree- His jump in skill from year 1 to year 2 is incredible, if he can keep up his improvement he’ll be an all-star someday.
8. Disagree- When Roy is healthy he’s a super-star. The key is that he stay healthy though.
9. Undecided- I’d say it’s about 50-50 that he gets traded. But if he’s not traded he’ll see the floor at some point this season. The probabilty is pretty high that Camby or Oden will miss at least a few games this year or will end up in foul trouble.
10. Undecided- I don’t know enough about the new CBA to have a real opinion on the matter.

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by tcwoods on Jul 30, 2010 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree. I think Nate coaches to the strength of his star player.
 
2. Disagree. LMA’s deal is a bargain compared to what happened this summer
 
3. Disagree. There’s enough leaked information out there to conclude that KP or his people were worthy of firing, even if we don’t know exactly what it was.
 
4. Agree. Roy would figure it out eventually.
 
5.UIncertain. Greg has one more year before I turn on him like a fat guy at the salad bar.
 
6A. Disagree. Long term solutions are a myth. Very few players stay with one team forever. Get the best group you can for right now, win the title right now.
 
6B.Agree. Bayless won’t develop into a starting anything, let alone a PG.

7. Agree. Let’s let the guy have one season on par with an average NBA player before we anoint him king.
 
8. Disagree. Roy is clearly a #1 player.
 
9. Agree. While 2 points and 10 rebounds is nice, Camby and Oden are both better, and that contract is a nice trade piece.
 
10. Undecided. I don’t have enough knowledge to address this question

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by TheTinfoil on Jul 30, 2010 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. - Disagree. Is he A++ in all areas? No, but neither is the guy who would replace him. I consider him among the best in the league and that’s enough.
 
2. LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. - Agree. Never have been super high on him and, while I don’t think he’s peaked yet, “borderline all-star” seems like about how we’ll remember his overall career
 
3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner - Disagree. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one considering his past awesomeness as an owner and the fact that nobody really has any idea what happened behind closed doors. Worrisome? Yes… but not a full fledged shark jump.
 
4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there - Disagree. I don’t think it’s ego as much as it’s just a different set of skills to play off the ball. After a few years it may work out, but we (the fans/media/team execs) probably wouldn’t have that much patience
 
5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be. - Agree… obviously I may be wrong, but my gut doesn’t think so
 
6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG. - Disagree… in the sense that we should do whatever it takes to improve the team as much as possible, regardless of position. I’ve never bought in to the idea that “position X” is more important than any other. The focus on PG (or C or whatever) seems to narrow our (the fans) focus too much.
 
6B. It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA - Disagree. Not much to say, just disagree.
 
7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. - Undecided. Some people certainly are… but I’m not sure where I’d put the fanbase as a whole on this one
 
8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. - Disagree. I could see Roy playing the Paul Pierce role on a championship team and, if he can prove my gut wrong and stay healthy, Oden certainly could be that dominant.
 
9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey. - Undecided. Shrug… if we trade him yes, otherwise no. I have no idea nor even gut feeling if that will happen.
 
10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way - In the short term, yes because we have Paul Allen as an owner. In the long term, undecided. Does the hard cap level the playing field or does the hard cap increase the relative value of market size? It could go either way.

by Gargen on Jul 30, 2010 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Truthiness

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach”: Plausible
 
2. LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed: Plausible, but he would have gotten the same or a better deal in this market from some team so it ends up a moot point and the Blazers locked him up at a decent prize.
 
3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal: No, but he confirmed earlier beliefs.
 
4. Brandon Roy can play with Chris Paul or most other point guards: Confirmed
 
5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be: Plausible, but remains to be proven or disproven
 
6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG: Confirmed
 
6B. It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team: Plausible but inconclusive
 
7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent: Busted
 
8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad: Totally busted
 
9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey: Plausible
 
10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way: Plausible, but I don’t believe in a lockout and think Cho is just the right guy to take advantage of any potential loopholes in the next CBA.

by Norsktroll on Jul 30, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree with Norsktroll's points.

1. Plausible that Nate isn’t a championship coach as he seems to have trouble with on the spot changes. Substitution patterns. Some of his rotations had me ready to pull my hair out. For instance: 4th quarter of the OKC game. He starts ALL of the players who had not scored AT ALL in the previous 3 quarters? We were up by 1 pt I believe at the end of the 3rd quarter. We lost that game. However, maybe just maybe, this new guy…not Osepka but the other one…whose name is escaping me…may have some better “adjustment” strategies than Nate.
And maybe this is why Nate brought him on. We shall see…
2. Ok..agree…LMA would have gotten at least what he did in this summer’s free agency.
3. Agree…Paul Allen had good reason to fire KP. KP seemed to have a choice somewhere along the line and chose to keep LaGarie as his agent. Also I think that if KP was paying attention, he may have looked a bit more closely at the Blazer fitness/training staff. Which he did NOT do. No one seems to have brought this up. But I think this was a glaring failure on KP’s part.
4. agree…Brandon can play alongside any point guard..with this caveat….HE KNOWS THIS NOW. Unfortunately, he had to learn this for himself rather than be guided/COACHED to believe this by Nate.
5. i think GO’s body will be ok as long as he receives the best possible fitness/training for his body. Which I think Cho will make sure he does. The guy is studying microfracture surgeries…
6. agree. Think that Miller is a great point guard but would love it if he could spread the floor AND do what he does!!! Maybe AJ1 can learn to shoot the 3.
7. On this one..I am guilty of being high on Batum. Do not know if this is confirmed yet or not.
Hope this coaching staff will bring out the best in Batum.
8. If Brandon can learn to play off the ball, keep his health, he is a superstar. So I think I disagree on this one…not quite sure what “busted” means…
9. Pretty sure that Joel should not be able to play again with those injuries. However, as a health care professional, I have seen amazing things happen due to sheer will. And if anyone has this, it is Joel.
10. agree. Think Cho is an excellent pick. Am very happy to have him on board!!!!

by Natsthecat on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bayless is a great 2??

We must be watching different games. He was an acceptable injury replacement for Roy and got more minutes than expected due to Rudy’s ineffectiveness.

by 52therim on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

i think we are talking ceilings here

bayless will be a far stronger 2 than he ever will be as a 1

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think JB's ceiling is much higher as a PG.

He may never be the “classical” PG, but at least he can defend the position. He also has a much easier time getting his shot off against shorter players. Perhaps most important is that he’ll get minutes as PG. Without an injury there are no minutes for JB at the 2. If he becomes a solid backup 2 it will be for another team. I can give you 34 million reasons why.

by 52therim on Jul 31, 2010 12:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

um

I think JBay will either be a good 6th man type here or possibly a starting 2 on ANOTHER team.

If limited to playing for Portland only his only chance to be a starter is to get better at PG obviously, i just do not think he has a shot at becoming much more than serviceable at that position. I think Bayless has a much better chance on another roster that could use a 2 because he is more natural as a scorer than as a PG. Portland is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole here.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Brandon's playmaking, and Nic's potential as a point forward

it is no stretch to say that Jerryd MAY develop into a starting PG for THIS team. His speed and quickness, combined with his great size and strength for the PG position make him a nightmare match-up. He doesn’t need a lot of touches to be effective, is learning to score from almost anywhere on the court, has a ridiculously good motor, and is eager to contribute and win. What’s more, he plays WINNING basketball. When Bayless goes B-Rex against a playoff team like the Spurs, we pull out wins. His offense is NOT detrimental to the team, and he has skills that can be used in any system.

I hate it when people assume that just because a player can run, like Bayless or LMA, that they would be better in a fast system.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

a person playing PG who does not pass the ball or run the iffense is not

a point guard. It has little to do with his quickness and pace of offense, he does not see what is happening with other players on the court terribly well.

If bayless makes the regular starting rotation for the Blazers he will be slotted at PG, but that will not make him an actual PG. Bayless would be better suited as a 2 guard in this league which is still my point.

My preference for roster building would be for the best players starting in their srongest position. That is not a possibility for Bayless. We need a PG for that slot once Dre is done. I love guys like Bayless off the bench, the tweener types, one of the reasons I like Matthews so much for this team the 2-3 tweener. Position specialists should be the starters.

As far as LMA thriving in a somewhat more uptempo system, we have all seen him on fast breaks, the dude is awesome with the ball in that situation.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your argument defeats itself

If Bayless starts at PG, doesn’t actually play PG – that is because PG is manned by Roy (on offense). Therefore, by your argument, that would be his best position because he would be the off guard.

Regardless, the idea that Bayless isn’t a point guard is pure silliness. Even then, there is no shame Roy being the PG in the half-court set (the team did manage 54 wins with an exceptionally young roster, this way).

For all I quibble about Nate’s offense – there is nothing wrong with putting that offense in Roy’s hands and letting others play off his half-court play-making ability. For a change up, Miller and/or Bayless are just fine.

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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, he is

He says he is, KP said he was, Nate plays him as though he is, and the fans can all see it in the way he plays.

I’m not against having multiple ball-handlers, so long as they can make it work within the system. But claiming that we need a true PG, when everyone’s definition of the perfect PG for Roy is decidedly NOT a true, traditional PG is ludicrous

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

my actual argument

has little to do with what we need as a true PG.

There are 5 positions on a basketball team. Each position has a roll. Is there bleed over from position to position? Sure. Is there only one formula that works? No.

All of that said, you have to make sure all of the rolls are filled to be successful. In general, your best ball handler and distributor is your PG. Roy is a top tier ball handler and a decent distributor at times, but his priority is getting his own shot, as a 2 that is exactly what he should be doing. That is precisely why thye slot him at the 2, it is his natural tendency and it is a winning approach for him and the team. To build a strong team it would be better if your best people playing to their natural strengths.

Playing Bayless as a PG when he does not posses those skills in general is not taking full advantage of his skill set. He may prove adequate at that position, possibly even on a title team but it is not taking full advantage of his full potential.

it is likely, I believe, Bayless at point hurts our title chances because he does not have the court vision to distribute the ball well enough to free up lanes for Roy to operate. Our playoff runs will always look like the last 2 did.

I am just not sure why everyone wants to force Bayless into a postion not suited to his skills? That sort of baffles me a bit.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

more to the point

it’s a matter of philosophy. Hard to argue point guard skills when there isn’t even a consensus on what a point guard is supposed to do.

This idea that Bayless doesn’t have “court vision” necessary to set Roy is fallacious on a couple of points: 1) Roy is the point guard if he is the guard initiating the offense; 2) who say’s Bayless doesn’t have the necessary understanding of where players are at (and who says that defines a PG?)

Bayless isn’t a perfect fit opposite Roy (missing the 40%+ 3pt%), but he has the rest of the package. Moreover, he is a 3rd year PG that would only be a senior in college. In other words, Bayless’ prime is way ahead.

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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watch bayless play

he is a head down, drive the ball guy. It is hard to see the court to know what is happening in the corner if you are looking at your shoes, that is just a fact (I want to emphasize that I do not think Bayless is not a good player, just not a point guard).

And this notion that the perfect fit for Roy is a guy that stands around waiting for an FBP is just ridiculous as well. Sure a good three point shooter as a guard is good to have but it is far from essential with or without Roy.

You can get 3 point shooting from other players just as well.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The issue with Brandon Roy as a point guard, however, is ...

he’s not very deft at making entry passes or running the pick-and-roll — for he prefers the simpler pick-and-pop or keeping the ball for himself in iso sets — and, moreover, he’s not much at moving off the ball on give-and-go plays, which was a staple for Andre Miller to get easy buckets with Greg Oden hitting him as a cutter.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

the issue with Brandon Roy as a PG

is that he is one of the most efficient guards in the game – extremely effective in the half court. That’s who you want to have the ball…not to say he can’t get better, but he is hardly a liability. Quite the opposite.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 1, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

In all fairness

he hasn’t really had much of an opportunity to play with a truly offensive minded pivot. Saying he “prefers” the pick and pop is more reflective of the fact that the big he plays the most offense with has been LaMarcus Aldridge. Once Brandon passes the ball off, he doesn’t really determine whether his pick-setter pops or rolls.

Let’s give Roy and Oden a chance to build some chemistry on the offensive end before we start making sweeping statements about his abilty to make plays for Oden.

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Phase 2: ???
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by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

C'mon HO!

Between you and two4larue, I’m running outta recs.

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by 500dogs on Aug 1, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

By your definition of a PG

The Jordan Bulls and Bird Celtics didn’t have point guards at the PG spot. But they won a lot of rings.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

BJ Armstrong not a PG?

get real…

DJ maybe not so much

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bayless is as much of a PG as BJ was.

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by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

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by PDXBuckeye on Aug 2, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

B.J. Armstrong was really an off guard, while Jerryd ...

Bayless is a shooting guard. So yeah, HailOden! is 100% correct here. All in all, neither Armstrong nor Bayless are pure point guards.

by AK1984 on Aug 2, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Portland goes the route of M.J. era Chicago, then let's get a floor ...

spreading off guard who can play defense — which is why I’ve always advocated acquiring Kirk Hinrich — instead of an undersized shooting guard, Jerryd Bayless, who’s a dribble-drive gunner naturally.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

on substitutions. there was one game last seaon where our offense was struggling. I remember wathcing it live that Nate’s substitution pattern was killing me. I looked up ESPN’s play by play summary and it turned out that the last person to score a hoop was the next person Nate pulled. It was like 6 straight guys that happened to. It was ridiculously bad.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay

1. Agree. preaches defense and “scrappy” play but not sure he has the teams ear.
   The offense needs to be more creative. See #7
2 Disagree, Travis outlaw just got 35 mil stoudamire 100 mil 60 plus is in line and I don’t think LMA has peaked. Who cares about team USA

3Agree

4 Undecided, but seemed to resist change when Miller was signed last year.

5. Undecided. I still think we stay with him, but what size of a contract?

6A agree 6B I think Bayless is a great backup to either position. Instant offense off the bench

7 agree, hope Batum progresses but he needs to be used more effectively on the offensive end. See #1

8 undecided, It is the same as when it was Drexler in Portland and Magic in LA

9 I sure hope DISAGREE

10. No way to know.

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by otherdave on Jul 30, 2010 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure if anyone got to see this, but an interview with Roy caught my eye:
What do you think of the signing of Wesley Matthews?

Roy: “I think he’s going to help our team. I was a little concerned with losing Martell and not bringing Travis back. I was like ’We’re getting thin on that wing.’ Getting Wes — he wants to be called Wesley — getting Wesley was huge. That was somebody I was looking forward to playing against for the rest of my career and now he’s my teammate. I’m excited about it. He’s kind of like in that mold of Nicolas; they do whatever it takes to help the team win. Defend, he can score, knock down the shot. There’s a number of things I’m going to talk to coach about in putting me in different postions so that way we can go bigger and put maybe Nicolas and Welsey out there together. It should be fun.”

Maybe have you run a little more point?

Roy: “Yeah. I hope so. Like I said, I’m working a lot off the ball, but my strength is playing with that basketball and I’m trying to make sure I get even better at it.”


The front office really like the defensive potential of Matthews and Batum. Talk about that combination.

Roy: “That’s a really, really good combination cause even when I played Wesley, when I would score I would kind of laugh and he would come back every time with that competitiveness. I’m happy to have that on our team. And not only those two. I think me and LaMarcus haven’t been talking about it enough, but we even have to get better on the defensive end.”

Point Guard Of The Future is Terrence Williams.

by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I know, I be thread jacking. Last time I swear:

There is a quote I want everyone to read(And the Blazers players I wish), from Reggie Miller:

If they can learn to work as a cohesive unit. I was probably caught up, my first two years, in making a name. Well, all these guys have made their names. They’ve made All-Star teams, made All-NBA, made Defensive Player of the Year. So they have the accolades. Now is the time to forget about stats. Who cares who gets 25? Who cares who leads the team in assists or steals or whatever? If they can play together as a team and not worry about all the little petty stuff, they are the best team in the league, talent-wise. If the game starts and they just play as a team, as a unit, no one can beat them. But they have to understand that first. Once they have that golden shining moment and it comes to them in a dream or whatever and they understand that, that’s when this team and this franchise will go to another level from where it was when I was here.

This message, from a loyal 18 year 1-team professional. Arguably one of the best scorers of all time. Should be ringing in this our teams ears.

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by 420Phenom on Jul 30, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jack all you want friend. That’s what late night posts are for. ;)

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by halo_on on Jul 30, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Kool-Aid

1. Disagree – it’s not the coach holding us back.
2. Disagree – LaMarcus is doing fine, he was +249 points against his position for the season.
3. Agree – KP was good for the club, fans are annoyed. Not that Paul Allen cares.
4. Agree – Roy wants to win, he’s got his fat contract and doesn’t care about the stats.
5. Uncertain – We all want to believe Greg will be healthy, but there’s little reason to, is there?
6A. Disagree – Andre is here this year, and next if we want him. You keep an eye open, of course.
6B. Agree – Bayless best case is Vinny “the Microwave” Johnson, he’ll never be a legit distributor.
7. Agree – And this isn’t the first time, either, we do it with anyone who shows a speck of talent.
8. Disagree – Brandon’s health has kept him from being “that guy” every night, but it’s in him.
9. Disagree – Joel will want to play, and he will. Camby is also a valuable trade chip.
10. Uncertain – Who can say what the new CBA will bring? Not me.

by baduk on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

my assessment

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

undecided

 
2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.

disagree

 
3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.
 
More agree than disagree, but I disagree with the last part. I don’t think KP necessarily was a better fit than Cho. I thought Kevin Pritchard did a good job but PA had his own reasons for why he let KP go. What I thought was horrendous was the timing and the lack of transparency throughout. Of course, if I was on the inside I might think differently because obviously there are just some things about this whole thing that just won’t ever be known to those on the outside… maybe I should just call this “undecided.”

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

agree… mostly
 
5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.
 
disagree… I still think he can come back strong.

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.
 
agree

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

disagree.
 
7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

agree.
 
8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.
 
disagree. If Roy played in NYC he would be a superstar.

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

disagree… I think Joel comes back, makes it through the trade deadline, and helps us get past the second round and into the conference finals. even though he won’t be back after 2010-2011, he’ll still be beloved for being a pro until the very end.
 
10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

undecided.

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by JelaniGNatural on Jul 30, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm

1. Undecided

2. Disagree. Strongly.

3. Undecided

4. Agree

5. Undecided

6A. Agree

6B. Undecided

7. Disagree

8. Agree

9. Undecided

10. Undecided

by Marvin100 on Jul 30, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Here goes:

1. Undecided: I am of the Nate bashing camp typically, however, with the turnover of his coaching staff I am willing to see what gets brought to the table at least this next season.

2. Disagree: 18 – 8 each and every night is worth it.

3. Disagree: I tend to think the fan base should have expected this after Allen felt he had to pull KP from the contract negotiations last summer.

4. Agree: I believe he can do it, in some respects he needs to do it, but we ought to beware what we ask for at least a little. It depends on who the guard is. He should adapt his game more if we have a Chris Paul but so much if we have a Mo Williams. My question on Roy here has little to do with point guards specifically anyway, but rather how much his game reduces the effectiveness of others on the team, I do not think the Blazers have found the proper balance yet.

5. Disagree: I am an eternal optimist. This season will be the key.

6A.: Agreed
6B.: Agreed: JBay is a baller, I just do not think he possesses the court vision to be a top notch PG. He might become adequate at PG, but he may be better as a 2 on another team or a 6th man on ours.

7. Disagree: Boom Boom is my favorite Blazer right now. His demeanor, his upside, his progress makes the price I pay to watch these guys worth it. I can’t wait for this season when we start getting him more minutes.

8. Disagree: Roy is top tier, efficient and consistent in a way even the superstars are not. 27 points on 13 shots, get real. Anybody else gets 27 has at least 20 or more shots. LMA is probably a #3 though.

9. Agreed: I think Cho has another medium to big move he wants to make this summer and Joel’s expiring contract and current roster configuration make him likely to be traded. I hate it, but I accept and even understand it.

10. Undecided: It still comes down to will power of the organization mostly, but unintended consequences in any agreement may prove to present unanticipated barriers.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 30, 2010 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Short answers

1. Disagree – Nate’s system can be a winning one. Way too much nitpicking for two 50 win seasons in a row.
2. Disagree – LA was about all the Blazers had going for them in the frontcourt for 30 games out of the year and he continued to consistently produce.
3. Undecided – I have no idea what happened and will not pretend to be able to make a judgement.
4. Agree
5. Undecided – How can anyone really know what will happen from here on out.
6. A – agree
B – disagree Bayless has a very good shot at becoming a starting PG in the NBA. But the Blazers should be open to looking elsewhere if a solid trade comes up.
7. Disagree – Frenchie rocks
8 . Disagree
9. Disagree
10. Undecided – who knows?

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by tssbro on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Here's my take...your mileage may vary

1. Disagree. Portland fans are famous for seeing greener grass in other pastures. Nate is a winner, and with all the injuries of last season, he had a team still buying in a believing. That is simply something you cannot overlook. So few coaches can get the level of buyin that McMillan seems to inspire.
 
2. Disagree. While I might have agreed with this statement midway through last season, a look at the contract signed this off-season show it was a very reasonable contract. People forget just how good LA is, and how he tends to get better throughout the season.
 
3. Disagree. While I do not understand why KP was dismissed, I get that the GM serves at the pleasure of the owner. I do think Allen mishandled the situation and just doesn’t seem to understand howto effectively manage people.
4. Completely agree. Roy is one of the smarter players in the league and can adapt. The question to ask is who should adapt. Brandon Roy is a top 10 player in this league. He has carried this team a long way. We need to be careful about moving Roy to a secondary role.
5. Disagree. None of his injuries appears chronic. However if we see a continuing pattern over the next 2 years…
 
6A. Agree. Well…I don’t think we can count on Miller forever.
 
6B. Not for the Blazers. He is a shoot first player. While he and Roy could fit, I don’t think it’s the best use of Roy to have him play next to a shoot-first PG.
 
7. He’s still a kid and is a 2 year starter. Look at how many teams want him. He can be Roy’s Pippen…maybe even better.
 
8.. If you don’t think Roy is a superstar, I guess I just don’t know what is the correct definition of a superstar. He increases his level of performance in the playoffs (injury excepted), can be counted on to want to take (and make) the last second shot, and is the unparalleled leader of this team. Everyone knows this is Brandon Roy’s team. Not Oden’s, Aldridge’s, not Camby’s, not Millers, not even McMillan’s. It is Roy’s.
 
9. Maybe. Cho is most likely not wedded to Joel as a player, and a decent size expiring contract can be an attractive asset. But I still believe character counts, and Joel shouldn’t be traded without getting a good assett, one with good character.
 
10. Unknown. And anyone who says they KNOW what will be in the new CBA is just blowing smoke. You can never accurately project the outcome of labor negotiations.

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by antediluvian on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

1. disagree
 
2. agree.
 
3. disagree
 
4. agree
 
5. disagree

6A. agree.
 
6B. agree
 
7. disagree

8. disagree
 
9. agree
 
10. disagree

by GPeterson82 on Jul 30, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Questions...looking forward to the final tally.

Agree
Disagree
Undecided (..and explain a little)

1. Undecided – I keep hearing/reading how Nate McMillan’s system is too slow. This is more a product of the players than the Coach. Almost every game I’ve gone to or watched, Nate has on more than one occasion emplored the PG’s to push it up court. Play early in the clock. This is part one of his strategy. Unfortunately when Blakey was here all he could do was walk it up the court and hand it off to Brandon. JB pushes it when he’s in and doesn’t get pulled. Granted, he’s a perfect third guard and won’t be a starting PG in this league. Give Nate a chance with a real PG and we’ll see more up tempo. Nate likes PMills for this reason.
 
2. Disagree. Team USA has nothing to due with LMA’s contract. If he’s being criticized for not playing then that it too fricken bad. He should be at home lifting weights and working on his lower body and core, not wearing his legs out running with Team USA. He’s already one of the best PF’s for running the court and shooting the mid-long range jumpers, so now he needs to work on back to the basket stuff. Part of that is getting stronger…
 
3. Undecided. KP’s dismissal undoubtedly had behind doors circumstances that we may never know about. Some of the accounts of unethical behavior are enough for dismissal if they are true. Unfortunate as his basketball decisions were spot on most of the time…too bad it sounds as if he made a few too many professional mistakes.
 
4. Agree
 
5. Disagree
 
6A. Agree
 
6B. Agree
 
7. Disagree
 
8. Disagree
 
9. Undecided. Joel could last up until the trade deadline as a Blazer. It’s more likely that guards get moved before Joel, unless his expiring contract is desired by a team now. Most teams will wait and see if it will be more fruitful to cut expenditures and save cap once they gauge how their season is going.
 
10. Agree. However, I think it will hurt teams like Miami more so. It will be harder to keep three superstars together on one team with a tighter cap… I disagree with the statement that “less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market” as most sponsorships are nationally based, not locally based. If you’re a superstar in this league, the size of the market you play in doesn’t matter for that income base. It would be more accurate to state that it’s the east coast bias, or a mediocre team bias. If the Blazers start out 22-0 then ESPN and TNT will be picking up games and the exposure will be increased…for the midwest and western audiences anyway…Too bad those Easties will be tucked away and in best when Greg gets his triple double with blocks, rebounds, and points.
Bingo! Bango! Bongo!!!

by CougzRule on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Awesome

1. Undecided: He simply hasn’t been put in the position to prove or disprove it yet. We will learn soon, hopefully this season, whether he is that coach or not, but I don’t think he has had a fair shake yet. I still put stock in his involvement with team USA.
 
2. Disagree: Lamarcus is flawed, that much is certain, but he does have one major advantage: He’s a known quantity now, and one we can work with. If we rely on him as the primary option we will fail, and that sucks, but if he is just a secondary option then he is a very good one. We don’t need to assemble a team of great players, we need to assemble a team of complimentary players, and I think LA can work as a complimentary player.
 
3. Disagree: There is some missing information here, and trust me, I am as big a KP fan as anyone. But PA still wants to win and is still willing to spend. That’s more than most of the owners in this league and I appreciate it.
 
4. Agree: As Brandon ages he will be less stubborn with his playing style. Given that he is only “kinda stubborn” right now I have all faith that he can work with what’s needed.
 
5. Undecided: I will agree or disagree after this season. Could go either way.
 
6A. Disagree: I get a completely different feeling from the fans and the team on this, so I am not entirely sure this is supposedly coming from. I think most blazers fans are just plain stupid when it comes to this crazy “we need the perfect PG” holy grail silliness. If a good opportunity comes along, sure, obviously we want to go for it, but it’s almost offensive how stupid people can be on this issue.
 
6B. Disagree: Jerryd Bayless will never be one of the top 5 PGs in the league, but 25 teams in the league run with one of the non-top 5 PGs in the league, including most championship teams. If he keeps developing he will be good.
 
7. Disagree: I am krazyglued to the Batum train and happy to ride it all the way, at least for a few more years. Batum has the potential to be a first team all-defensive team. I will be heartbroken if we lose him.
 
8. Disagree: Brandon Roy is a good enough superstar to lead the team to a championship with the right team. I can see maybe going for a bigger star at some point, but I don’t feel the need at all.
 
9. Agree: Sadly
 
10. Undecided: I’ll know more when the next CBA exists.

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by TheGreatMon on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Here goes:

1. Inconclusive. I have reservations, but am not going to pass judgment yet. Give Nate a whole season without an injury-decimated roster, and we’ll see.

2. Disagree. Think LA showed some real growth late in this season, especially in the post-up, take-it-to-the-basket department. Could be more consistent, though.

3. Sure hope not.

4. Disagree. If any star player can do it, it’s Roy. If Paul Pierce could do it, Roy can. And like Pierce, I doubt he’ll end up giving up that much anyway.

5. Inconclusive. He has one more chance in my book.

6A. Agree. Andre is great for now, but Andre won’t be around forever.

6B. Agree with whipped cream and a cherry on top. Bayless has not shown himself to be anything but a streaky lane-driver with limited fundamental skills, and a total lack of understanding of what a point guard does, and no apparent desire to do anything but live out his asinine Michael Jordan fantasies.

7. Disagree. Batum was arguably the most consistently effective member of this team save Andre, and showed a special knack for coming through when he was needed the most.

8. Disagree. Roy is not a top five player in this league, but he’s a top 10. I don’t think we need a superstar necessarily (although I’d be all about trading for Paul) so much as we need one more solid other guy, our Dennis Rodman, our Joe Dumars, our Ray Allen, our James Worthy.

9. Agree. With Camby we don’t need him, and while I love Joel, all things must pass. But there’s no reason to move him unless we get excellent value for him, because he’s a quality player.

10. Abstain…who cares?

by stavrogin on Jul 30, 2010 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

here it goes

1. Agree
2. Disagree
3. Disagree
4. Disagree
5. Undecided- Every injury makes me lean towards agree but he still has all the tools to be the most dominant center in the west.
6A. Disagree
6B. Disagree
7. Agree
8. Disagree
9. Undecided- We don’t really know if Greg will be ready, may need the insurance.
10. Disagree

by BBallBrent on Jul 30, 2010 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

MythBusters is worth the price of my cable package.

1) Plausible. I’m very interested to see if the offense improves with the new assistants. If the Blazers can’t win a playoff series this year, I don’t know if they will under Nate.
2) Plausible. I wish LMA had played with Team USA. Based on last season’s results and the offseason’s craziness, he’s worth the contract.
3) Disagree. His handling of the KP situation was terrible, but Cho is a good hire.
4) Agree. He wants to run the offense, but he can play with anyone.
5) Plausible. I hope not.
6A) Plausible. We’ll be fine with ‘dre, Bayless, and Armon this year, but Cho should keep his eyes open.
6B) Agree. I could see him as a starting 2 for some teams.
7) Disagree. He’s only scratching the surface. It’s amazing what a difference there was last year when he returned, even in the first two or three games. He was frequently the second best player on the team.
8) Disagree. It depends on your definition of “superstar,” though. I think being a top-10 player in the league should qualify. The only thing holding Roy back from being considered a superstar is his personality.
9) Plausible. His expiring contract has made him pretty good trade bait.
10) Plausible. We won’t know until some early drafts of the CBA are analyzed.

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#14

by Mr. Knox on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

PS: I agree with BlazerFanSince1970 up there.

It’d be easier to simply say “agree” or “disagree” if there were only one assertion in each statement.

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#14

by Mr. Knox on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. Agree. While several of his his points of emphasis are key to a championship (defense rebounding), the offense runs too much iso to be successful. If Cleavland could not be successful running iso with James then why does McMillian think he can be successful running so many iso plays for Roy.

2. Disagree. While he may not be living up to the high expectations we as fans place on him, if he hadn’t held it together last season we wouldn’t have made the playoffs.

3. Disagree. He owns the team so he can do what he wants. KP was great in rebuilding the team, but may have burned too many bridges with other GMs to continue to be as effective as he once was.

4. Agree. Based on everything I have read, Brandon cares more about winning than his ego, though that could just be what he wants us to believe.

5. Agree. This is mostly because our expectations are by and large too high. He will become a good center, just not the once in a decade player we hope(d) he would be.

6a, 6b. Agree. Bayless will be a good backup point guard but does not have the length to be a starter. Too bad because he works hard, but he can’t change his length.

7. Disagree. When people talk about our big 3, I always put Batum in there instead of Oden as he’s shown himself to be a superior player at this point in their careers.

8. Disagree. When healthy, Roy has the output of a Superstar, which is all that matters. He will never get the national recognition as long as he is in Portland.

9. Agree. By the time Joel will be ready to return, he will be traded to a team looking for an expiring contract.

10. Agree. The owners will look to put more money in their pocket, which the players will try to make up somehow. It is easier for the players to make up the difference in a large market vs. a small one.

by Ulfgar on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Agree
 
2. Agree, thought clearly there are many worse contracts there. That fact doesn’t make LA’s a good contract though.
 
3. Disagree. Didn’t like what happened to KP, but there is likely a lot we don’t know and Cho won’t be much of a step down, if at all.
 
4. Uncertain. Roy seems to have a pretty small basketball comfort zone. He could certainly be effective alongside Paul, but has yet to show he could change his game to make it work optimally.
 
5. Agree. I’m a natural pessimist and I just don’t have a good feeling about Oden’s health.
 
6A. Agree.
 
6B. Tough one. I could see Bayless being a starting PG in the league, but probably not one of the better ones.
 
7. Agree that we overrate Nic. Hard to say if there’s a deal we should have made, but its certainly plausible we passed up something we should have done to hold on to him.
 
8. Sort of agree. Brandon>Joe for sure, but if Brandon’s going to be your best player, you need a much better #2 than LA. I’m not even sure LA is a good enough #3 if you don’t have a true superstar as your #1. The Blazers need Oden to be a top 10 player— and for 35 mpg, not 24 mpg and 30 games/yr.
 
9. Another tough one. I’ll disagree, but could see it either way.

10. Agree

by jksnake99 on Jul 30, 2010 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

My two cents:

1. Agree.
2. Disagree.
3. Disagree.
4. Disagree.
5. Agree.
6A. Agree – but not to the exclusion of other considerations.
6B. Agree.
7. Disagree.
8. Agree. But what’s lacking most is leadership, as opposed to talent.
9. Agree.
10. No opinion.

by Jabstep on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent post

1. Disagree

2. Disagree – markets set players’ value and it ain’t my money…Andrea Bargnani is all I have to say

3. Disagree – I think there is clearly more to the KP situation and I’m gonna give PA the benefit of the doubt. It does not appear to me that his firing was job performance related, so I will not speculate on things I do not know.

4. Undecided – Brandon Roy is a phenomenal player with the ball in his hands. I have no issue with him becoming more well-rounded and I think him and Andre became a nice little 1-2 punch, but I’m not 100% sold on his ability to adapt to anyone or that this course of action is best for the Blazers.

5. Disagree – and I pray that I’m right.

6a. Disagree – my answer would have been different at the start of the summer, but the more I stew the more I want to see Andre back and Bayless given the opportunity to inherit the position.

6b. Disagree – I think Bayless has an NBA body, and NBA mindset, and an NBA skillset. I think he will continue to develop NBA level decision making and feel for the game. I expect him to be a very good player in 2-3 yrs.

7. Agree – I do not think Batum will ever be a star the level of Scottie Pippen as some suggest. I do think that Batum will be an excellent, excellent role player and can absolutely be the starting SF on a championship team. He will be that team’s 4th or 5th option offensively, a glue guy like you wouldn’t believe, and a lockdown defender. The Pippen comparison is popular but I think they are different players. Scottie with the ball in his hand had complete control…I don’t see that with Batum.

8. Disagree – Brandon Roy is a gamer, a clutch performer, the natural. With the right team around him I think Roy can be the biggest star on a championship team. The issue is making LMA not a true #2, because he would be absolutely deadly as a #3 option.

9. Undecided – I think Joel’s value has decreased in the general public perception, but if he’s healthy enough to play he brings a lot of great things to the table. I would not be surprised to see this go either way.

10. Disagree – My eggs are in the BRoy/LMA/Oden/Batum basket, and we already have those guys. If they can be as good as I hope you should be able to get people to come. Portland will always be fighting an uphill battle, but not because of the CBA.

by sammymohawk on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh

All of these were too depressing to even speculate upon. :(

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by rivetz on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 PM PDT reply actions  

OK

1. Agree
2. Disagree
3. Disagree
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6A. Agree
6B. Agree
7. Disagree
8. Disagree
9. Disagree
10. Disagree

Will be interested to see when you tally up the votes.

by desperationshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagree with all but #2 and #4,

and I’m undecided on 6A and B, but lean towards disagree. Jerryd Bayless needs one more season to mature before I can give a definitive answer. I guess I’m also unsure how to answer #10, as the shakeout of the CBA is a mystery to me.

Cool post.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Easier to tally version...

1. Disagree
2. Agree
3. Disagree
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6A. Disagree
6B. Disagree
7. Disagree
8. Disagree
9. Disagree
10. I dunno.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here we go

1. Agree
2. Disagree
3. Disagree
4. Agree
5. Agree (sadly- hope I’m wrong)
6a. Agree
6b. Agree
7. Undecided (agree that he is overrated, disagree that he is overvalued by the Blazers)
8. Disagree
9. Undecided
10. Agree

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry I didn't put this in my post

Thanks for posting this- amazing topic, Best I’ve seen in a while.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Nate: Agree
2. LMA: Undecided. I don’t think the team USA thing is indicative of his level of commitment. I have no idea how hard he’s working this off-season. Also, while last year I thought we may have overpaid by $1-2M per year, looking at some of the really high contracts signed this Summer has shown that he probably would have gotten that on a RFA market this year.
3. Allen: Undecided. I have no idea what really went down with KP, but I thought he was doing a pretty good job and there was nothing out here in fandom that indicated he needed to be fired.
4. Brandon: Agree
5. Greg: Agree with very heavy heart.
6a. PG: Agree
6b. JBay: Undecided. I don’t think he’ll ever be a top-flight PG, but I can see him starting for several teams.
7. Nic: Disagree. Il est le mairde.
8. We need someone bettter than Brandon to be our top dog: Disagree
9. Joel: Agree
10. CBA: Disagree

by sagcat on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Answers

1. Nate: Disagree, defense wins championships and he has us playing it
2. LMA: Disagree he can ball with the best of them, i do wish he would have played USA basketball
3. Allen: Undecided, I really liked the direction KP was taking our team
4. Brandon: Agree, Obviously he is a shooting guard anyway
5.Greg: Disagree he is still young
6a. Agree only high quality player is availabe, like cp3 or Devin Harris
6b. Disagree: JB is amazing
7. Nic: Disagree we need his on the ball defense
8. We need someone other then Brandon: Disagree, this is Brandon’s team but every great player had help
9. Joel: Disagree, I hope he stays
10. CBA: Undecided not enough knowledge

by Robin Wisner on Jul 30, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6A. Agree
6B. Agree
7. Disagree
8. Disagree
9. Agree
10. Agree

Abolish Work

by JNR on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Rose-colored glasses version

Let’s have a little fun with this, even if it means stretching the truth a bit.

1. Disagree. A better question would have been whether Nate will finish with more titles than Red, or simply more than Phil?

2. Disagree. People will argue next season that Bosh got overpaid because he can’t get physical and play with the energy that LaMarcus does.

3. Disagree. It is a known fact that Paul Allen is the best owner in all of the major sports now that Steinbrenner has gone to the big ballpark in the sky. Cho pulls a Steve Young and follows a legend with a hall of fame career of his own.

4. This is the rose-colored glasses version. Roy can do anything.

5. Disagree. In retrospect we’ll realize that the injuries Greg suffered early in his career were a blessing to keep his body fresh for when the “real” championship window opened.

6a/b. Agree. This season Andre makes his first all-star game, but Cho is too good to rest on his laurels and is always looking to improve the team. Ultimately, we let Andre leave after his contract expires because JB can not be stopped. You can only hope to contain him.

7. Disagree, of course. Batum becomes so big he signs a shoe deal with Le Coq Sportif and Nike gets replaced as the biggest sports apparel company in the world. Sorry Michael!

8. See #4

9. Disagree. Joel is on his way back. If he’s not traded with Rudy he will be here, likely, until the trade deadline. He’ll be playing before then so he’ll likely wear a Blazer jersey this season. I took off the glasses for this one. I’m confident Joel will be back.

10. Agree/Disagree. The new CBA will require all free agents to play with Lebron to help him win a title. He never gets one as he Wesley Matthews holds locks him down every championship series.

by 52therim on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Looks like fun!

1 Disagree. The style McMillan uses is the style that works well in the playoffs. And with players like Oden, Batum, and the incoming Matthews, I’m hoping the defence can improve significantly.

2. Disagree. Could use a little more out of Aldridge, but not so much as to say he wasn’t worth it. And I don’t care about Team USA. Don’t need Aldridge hurt coming into the season.

3. Disagree. LeGarie was trying to play him. And now LeGarie can find his client a new job. KP may have been good, but there are other good GM’s out there, and I think Cho may come close to replacing KP. MAybe not as good, but without the LeGarie drama.

4. Disagree. Roy may be able to adapt his game, but he hasn’t shown much inclination to do so at this point. Miller and Roy in the back court look like they’re taking turns. One has the ball, the other doesn’t do much, then they trade. Not great, but serviceable, I suppose.

5. Disagree. Actually, that is just hope talking.

6A Agree. You always look to improve your team.
6B. Undecided. It might happen. But right now JB looks to need the ball in his hands too much to play well off of Roy.

7. Disagree. Batum makes me tingle when I watch him play.

8. Disagree. Our pace and his injuries made last year look worse than it was. Roy is a solid player worth building a team around.

9. Undecided. I don’t know how his patella tendon is doing after showering. He should never shower again. But if it heals, perhaps he has a new tactic for playing defence?

10. Agree. Nobody is in a good bargaining position. So a lockout is probably imminent. That will put a big dent in our trades and free agent acquisitions.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 31, 2010 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I laughed at #9, Thanks.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. Agree
 
2. Agree
 
3. Disagree
 
4. Undecided
 
5. Disagree
 
6A. Agree
 
6B. Agree
 
7. Undecided
 
8. Undecided
 
9. Agree
 
10. Undecided

Portland > Tacoma

by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 31, 2010 12:21 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

Disagree. I think the coach gets too much blame (and too much credit, in some cases). The Blazer players will determine the future of this team, not the coach. And it would be hard to find a replacement that is better.
 

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.

Agree. I do think that LaMarcus missed an opportunity to prove people wrong. He’s just reinforcing the stereotype of him being soft and complacent.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

Agree.
 

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

Agree.
 

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.

Disagree. Greg Oden will have a future in the NBA, if never completely injury-free. Think Antonio McDyess-esque.
 

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.

Agree. Miller does not act like he considers himself a Blazer. I want a guy who is fully committed, not someone who just settled for the largest offer and then sulked when he wasn’t handed the starting position (after coming in out of shape).
 

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

Disagree. I think Bayless’s work ethic and athleticism make his ceiling very high.
 

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

Agree, but only because I feel fans are underestimating the effect of his injuries. I really want to keep him as our starting SF but just realize that he will be a little fragile.
 

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.

Strongly disagree. Brandon is a true #1. LaMarcus is a borderline #2/3. Another superstar would be nice though….
 

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

Undecided. Joel is on track to return early. The only thing upsetting this is a trade. Joel still has a lot more value than people think.
 

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

Disagree.

If Luke Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I'm not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what. - Ben 7/16/2010

by jamon51 on Jul 31, 2010 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree: get the players that it takes to win and let the coach handle the time-outs and substitutions. McMillan is a superstar at those aspects of game management.
 
2. Agree: although he probably would have been paid even more this summer just because the money was being thrown around. So in that respect, the Blazers got a relative bargain with last summer’s re-signing.
 
3. Disagree. Sorry, KP.
 
4. Agree: and I’m excited to see him try coming off screens, calling for the ball in the post, and occasionally being the bailout open jumper-shooter.
 
5. Agree: but he can still be a winner and—to some degree—totally awesome.
 
6A. Agree: Miller works this year, but nobody else on the roster truly works NEXT year.
 
6B. Agree: Bayless sometimes looks like passing the ball actually hurts him physically. Not a PG at heart.
 
7. Undecided: he may be a little milquetoast to really be a #1 option NBA wing, but he’s pretty freakin’ good at a lot of stuff already… AND he’s clearly full of promise.
 
8. Disagree: Brandon is a #1, LMA is a #2. There are just better 1st /2nd options on some of the other teams in the NBA. Doesn’t mean they’re chopped liver.
 
9. Agree: and it’s sad.
 
10. Undecided: while it’s very likely that’s what happens, I’ll be horribly disappointed in the NBA if it does, and I hope the owners and players union aren’t that irresponsible and narrow-minded (even though they probably are).

by FlyingOutlaw on Jul 31, 2010 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

McMillan is anything but a superstar at substitutions

although I agree that the players are more important.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. Disagree, great Coach,
2. Agree
3. Disagree
4. Agree
5. Agree
6A. Agree
6B. Agree
7. Disagree, The kid will be a star
8. Agree that B Roy isn’t in the same league as Kobe, Lebron, CP3, Wade, but Disagree that we can’t win a championship with him as the number one guy
9. Agree
10. Undecided. I do not understand the NBA salary cap or the current CBA

I love B Edge almost as much as I love B Roy and close to my love for B atum

by kengriffey on Jul 31, 2010 12:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Very interesting to see how many folks agree/disagree to #5 in particular.

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree. Don’t have enough data to judge “championship quality” yet, but 50 wins despite numerous injuries last season do not a broken offense make.

2. Agree, although I don’t think the gap between his skills and his pay is enormous. But he’s definitely plateaued the past few years. Consistency is a wonderful thing, but we’re paying him like someone who can dominate a game. I don’t think we’ve seen that from him yet, and going up against the best of his peers couldn’t have hurt him in developing it.

3. Undecided. Paul and Vulcan are — and from my understanding always have been — meddlesome. The KP firing was a big public embarrassment for them, but I’m pretty sure those are their standard business practices, so why should that moment be singled out?

4. Agree. Doesn’t mean there aren’t some point guards he’d play better with, but if he can adapt to and play well alongside Andre, he should be able to handle anyone. Besides, when has Roy not conducted himself professionally in his entire career?

5. Undecided. Yes, there’s a developing track record, but he’s still far too young to deal in any kind of absolutes.

6A. Agree. Bayless is a nice piece but hasn’t yet proven he can run an offense. I’m not sure Roy has either, for that matter, whether he needs to have the ball in his hands or not.

6B. That being said, see answer to 5. Jerryd’s young and this easily could go either way.

7. Disagree. He’s real, real good. Maybe “future All-Star” good. If they Blazers sell high they need to get real value in return. And yes, I realize we were saying the same thing about Rudy Fernandez about 18 months ago. Batum seems to be more self-assured and has a locked-in spot in the starting lineup, so I feel more confident about his future.

8. Disagree. Brandon may not carry himself with the swagger of a “superstar,” however that’s defined, but his production is absolutely of that caliber. He’s top-tier talent.

9. Undecided — who knows what the future holds, right? — but likely disagree. The Blazers don’t seem to have any big preseason trades locked-in at this point and may not have anything appealing until the deadline. Even then, the team has not shown a strong interest in or talent for deals away from Draft Day, and has cheerfully let expiring deals expire before. And Pryzbilla seems to like it well enough in Portland, I could see him landing here again later in his career.

10. Disagree. There are enough “small-market” teams in the league that I have to believe they’d be able to effectively band together and block any proposal that will have a disproportionately large effect on them.

by Charon on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

Undecided. I believe this will have an obvious answer after the upcoming season.
 

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.</bloc kquote>

Disagree.. have you seen the contracts given out this offseason? LMA was a bargain, and if the man wants to rest over the summer and spend some time with his family, thats his own decision and in my opinion the correct one. So he’s not too fired up about playing for Team USA, who cares.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

Disagree.. have you seen the contracts given out this offseason? LMA was a bargain, and if the man wants to rest over the summer and spend some time with his family, thats his own decision and in my opinion the correct one. So he’s not too fired up about playing for Team USA, who cares.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.
Disagree with everything other then maybe he meddled too much. KP was a good GM but redicuously overrated on these forums. KP did a good job drafting young talent for us to build off of, but we had a majorly bloated roster going into last season (which was covered up by the huge amount of injuries). KP wouldnt (maybe didnt have the ability and couldnt?) trade anyone because he overvalued all of his players (some people here are guilty of that, too) and was way too concerned with “image” (just because someones a bad boy on the floor doesnt mean theyre a bad boy off the floor like the jailblazers).

Disagree.. have you seen the contracts given out this offseason? LMA was a bargain, and if the man wants to rest over the summer and spend some time with his family, thats his own decision and in my opinion the correct one. So he’s not too fired up about playing for Team USA, who cares.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.
Disagree with everything other then maybe he meddled too much. KP was a good GM but redicuously overrated on these forums. KP did a good job drafting young talent for us to build off of, but we had a majorly bloated roster going into last season (which was covered up by the huge amount of injuries). KP wouldnt (maybe didnt have the ability and couldnt?) trade anyone because he overvalued all of his players (some people here are guilty of that, too) and was way too concerned with “image” (just because someones a bad boy on the floor doesnt mean theyre a bad boy off the floor like the jailblazers). Not to mention he couldn’t sign a free agent and even chased the wrong ones last offseason (who knows if hedo wouldnt been a better fit here but not only do I doubt it, I think it was appearant from the beginning of that free agent class that we needed a point guard and shouldve chased andre miller to begin with. Also, that whole Paul Millsap contract offer.. nobody really gives him heat about that but why would you go after an overpriced backup PF when andre miller is available? andre miller shouldve been the first free agent we went after, not 3rd. KP lucked out here so he doesnt get much heat but I’m sure PA realizes he made some bad decisions. All the meanwhile he was getting 100% credit for every success that the blazers had. PA had enough and I agree.
 
4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

Disagree.. have you seen the contracts given out this offseason? LMA was a bargain, and if the man wants to rest over the summer and spend some time with his family, thats his own decision and in my opinion the correct one. So he’s not too fired up about playing for Team USA, who cares.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.
Disagree with everything other then maybe he meddled too much. KP was a good GM but redicuously overrated on these forums. KP did a good job drafting young talent for us to build off of, but we had a majorly bloated roster going into last season (which was covered up by the huge amount of injuries). KP wouldnt (maybe didnt have the ability and couldnt?) trade anyone because he overvalued all of his players (some people here are guilty of that, too) and was way too concerned with “image” (just because someones a bad boy on the floor doesnt mean theyre a bad boy off the floor like the jailblazers). Not to mention he couldn’t sign a free agent and even chased the wrong ones last offseason (who knows if hedo wouldnt been a better fit here but not only do I doubt it, I think it was appearant from the beginning of that free agent class that we needed a point guard and shouldve chased andre miller to begin with. Also, that whole Paul Millsap contract offer.. nobody really gives him heat about that but why would you go after an overpriced backup PF when andre miller is available? andre miller shouldve been the first free agent we went after, not 3rd. KP lucked out here so he doesnt get much heat but I’m sure PA realizes he made some bad decisions. All the meanwhile he was getting 100% credit for every success that the blazers had. PA had enough and I agree.
 
4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.
Yeah he probably can but we don’t to go that route. Get a PG who can play D, pass and hit the 3 and we’re sweet. There’s no reason for us to force Brandon to change his game unless we can get CP3 for a good price (something like batum + andre pryz and rudy) because CP3 is too good to pass up and we’d be a powerhouse with him, broy, lma and GO.
 
5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.

Undecided. We’ll see has the next few years go. I will say tho that both of his injuries were pretty much freak accidents, but he may be more apt to those sort of things. Can’t really tell. We’ll see.

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.

Agree, but we don’t need anybody amazing. Like I said in a previous answer, someone who can play D, pass and hit the 3. Broy can run the offense most of the time and he should. CP3 is the exception, but I don’t think we need to or should go after someone too amazing. Just someone who fits the teams needs at PG.
 

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

Disagree. He’ll develop into a start for a NBA team, but not this one. He almost reminds me of a younger andre miller with maybe a little better shooting touch. He just doesn’t fit too well with us unless he gets that shot to start falling consistently.
 

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

Agree that some fans are too high on him, but I believe he is 100% a keeper (unless hes traded for someone like CP3) because he fits the teams needs very well and is a glue guy needed on pretty much any championship team. I definitely agree that some fans are way too high on him but I also think he’d be the perfect starting SF for the blazers on a championship run, so there’s absolutely no need to trade him.
 

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.

BRoy and LMA alone as a #1 and #2 won’t win a championship. BUT the blazers arent a team carried by the 1st and 2nd option.. BRoy, LMA and GREG ODEN as a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option with Nic Batum/whoever we get at PG (or even andre really) with Wesley Matthews, Joel Pryzbilla, Marcus Camby, Jerryd Bayless coming off the bench CAN win a championship if they stay healthy and live up to their potential. I believe the blazers have a good shot at a deep playoff starting next year, and wouldve had a shot this year if it wasn’t for injuries.
 

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

I disagree. Nothing is telling us that Joel Pryzbilla won’t be able to play next year. Yeah, his injury situation is real tough and he may not be able to come back at the start of the year, but until I hear that joel is retiring or something along those lines, I’m not gonna assume the worst.
 

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

Disagree. It doesn’t matter, we have the players we need right now (other then maybe a glue guy at PG who really isn’t going to be too concerned with market size etc) under contract and sold on the team to win a championship. Maybe FAR down the road if there’s a major CBA change it could SLIGHTLY effect us negatively, but there’s only so many big market teams out there and not every good player is going to end up in one (and if that happens there will be a much bigger problem then the Portland Trailblazers being unable to get a marquee player). I also don’t think there will be a huge change because most reports that come out are pointing torwards the owners exaggerating how much of a struggle teams are in financially, and the rediculous contracts handed out this year to alot of free agents aren’t really proving the owner’s points at all.

by Jpar on Jul 31, 2010 1:48 AM PDT reply actions  

whoa.. wth?

I’m new at posting on SB nation but i have NO idea why my post came out that way.. i erased anything i didn’t want to say and definitely didnt type any answers twice.

EDIT – reposted everything and previewed it first, it’s still showing my 3rd answer coming up like 4 times.. no idea why, gonna post without quotes..

EDIT 2 – reposted again and previewed it without quotes, and its still showing my 3rd answer 4 times. I’m actually very forum savvy generally and really have no idea why its showing it multiple times when I’m only actually typing it once and double checking when it is in the message box. Oh well, most of it is posting correctly..

by Jpar on Jul 31, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. Undecided
 
2. Disagree
 
3. Undecided
 
4. Agree – but the bigger point is who’s better that’s really available?
 
5. Disagree
 
6A. Disagree (if you can’t go Paul – why bother?)
 
6B. Disagree
 
7. Disagree (unless it was Paul)
 
8. Disagree (a healthy squad last year challenges LA)

9. Agree
 
10. Undecided (if you think you know what the new CBA will look like – you are inherently wrong)

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 2:03 AM PDT reply actions  

What do I know...?

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn. DISAGREE: To say that Nate is not of the championship caliber coach ilk is really saying that only the likes of Phil Jackson or Pat Riley can get it done. Nate has built his team based on his own knowledge of the game/league and experience as a coach with the tools provided by ownership and front office. Handing it over to someone with the "chops" to win it all, even if it is a "proven" or "championship caliber" coach is nonsense. I appreciate the patience he has exhibited and think he knows what he’s doing.
 
2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence. DISAGREE: LaMarcus has an opportunity to prove his value on the court with the Blazers and anything else is a distraction at this point.
 
3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit. DISAGREE: It’s his team. He doesn’t need talk radio’s permission to hire or fire anyone.
 
4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense. AGREE: BRoy is too good a player and too much a professional not to adapt his game to accommodate the necessities of the team concept in order to achieve the ultimate goal of winning a championship.
 
5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be. DISAGREE: Marcus Camby is an example of a player who was injury prone early in his career and has had many productive years since. Also, I think there is a MAJOR difference between the media hype/expectations Greg has been burdened with and that of the average fan who just wants to see the Big Guy play and have fun helping the Blazers win.
 
6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG. AGREE: I am intrigued however by Armon Johnson and hope he receives a roster spot.
 
6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement. DISAGREE: I think there is a team other than the Blazers that would give him a shot at it. Bayless is a scoring gaud with the heart of a lion who is determined to fulfill the function of a true point. I for one will never doubt his desire or capacity to prove he can do it.
 
7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor. DISAGREE: Nic has that something, the IT quality that has been recognized by too many people to be ignored. The key is in discovering his role offensively and how he will mesh long term with the core of Roy, Aldridge and Oden.
 
8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one. DISAGREE: Superstar is a media construct. Team orientation is the fundamental key to achieving at a high level. Drexler wasn’t a "superstar" but he was the straw that stirred the drink and with the right combination of complimentary players, brought the Blazers to the brink twice. Current situation MAY BE along those same lines.
 
9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey. UNDECIDED: Understanding the expiring contract issue, Joel is still a valued member, maybe even the heart of the team in a sense. It’s almost counter intuitive to say that it may be more important to keep him because he provides something that the team needs and currently lacks: toughness.
 
10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road. DISAGREE: In spite of the tendency to constantly tinker with/turn the roster over, I believe the Blazers are one to two major moves away from consolidating and thereby improving enough to contend. Do it now and let the CBA do its worst when the time comes. In other words, don’t worry about it.

by balladofgregoden on Jul 31, 2010 2:32 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

My Answers

1 Agree
2 Dis-
3 Un-
4 Un-
5 Un-
6a Un-
6b Un-
7 Un-
8 Dis-
9 Un-
10 Un-

Seems like I am pretty undecided.I would have preferred a 1-5 scale to reflect the direction I was leaning.

I think what we got could be a champion if the pieces come together. One the other hand, when my parents got enough money to have something they needed to decide how to spend, the divorce wasn’t far off.

I am a fan. I’ll hope for the best.

In KP I trusted!

by LaoTzu on Jul 31, 2010 3:01 AM PDT reply actions  

quick (impulsive) data (true/false/?)

1-T
2-F
3-F
4-T
5-F
6a-F
6b-F
7-F
8-F (Oden is our superstar)
9-F
10-?

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Jul 31, 2010 3:06 AM PDT reply actions  

he did that before he posted

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad he didn't have a Andre support question

so you could agree with something……..

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Jul 31, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hear that

I can’t wait to see him play in January.

by tominhawaii on Jul 31, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

when he's finally in shape, you mean?

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dre and Nate are going to make such beautiful music together !

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Jul 31, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. Disagree.

2. Disagree.

3. Disagree.

4. Agree. He’s no dummy.

5. Agree, but he doesn’t have to.

6A.Agree, in the sense that they should be on the lookout. But don’t go all David Khan.

6B. Disagree. Is Derek Fisher starter quality? Is Steve Blake? Bayless can be a 15-20th ranked PG quite reasonably, I think. He definitely needs to imrprove, but he’s been doing that.

7. Uncertain. Some definitely do. But most would accept a good trade, I think. And while many have Jemaine-itis, if anyone justifies it, it’s Nic.

8. Disagree.

9. Disagree

10. Disagree. Sponsorships are relevant to very few players.

by Epimenides on Jul 31, 2010 4:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Fun exercise

1 Agree. This goes without saying, IMO. He’s too stubborn and unimaginative.

2. Undecided. I think the two sentences are unrelated — trying out for Team USA has nothing to do with his value.

3. Disagree. I lost all respect for Allen in the way the KP firing went down. However, I’m not convinced he was the guy to bring in the final pieces. I probably would have given him another season, though.

4. Agree.

5. Undecided. This is just hope, on my part.

6A. Agree, but it should be noted that PG is not a big need for this team short term.

6B. Agree. I like Bayless, and I think he has become a decent NBA player. I just don’t see him as a starting PG. He works better as a guy who can back up both guard spots.

7. Disagree. This young man has a ton of potential. He needs to stay healthy (which means he has to stop playing for the French national team, IMO) and he needs to become a bit more aggressive on offense. In part, this also means that Nate has to stop treating him as a spot up shooter only.

8. Agree, but somewhat tentatively. Roy’s knees are too fragile to allow him to consistently carry a team the way he has in the past. Tremendous talent, solid leader, great character, bad knees.

9. Agree. I wonder if he will ever play in the NBA again. If Oden stays healthy, he is expendable and his contract carries more value.

10. Undecided. I have no idea what the next CBA will look like. I rather suspect that David Stern is going to look at the Lebron-Wade-Bosh collusion, and realize that the small market teams will need to be protected. Otherwise, the league will degenerate into a handful of teams with legitimate chances to contend, and everybody else. It is close to that already.

by hercher on Jul 31, 2010 6:15 AM PDT reply actions  

nice post
1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

disagree. McMillan is a great coach.
 

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.

disagree. don’t care about Team USA if he doesn’t want to, it is his choice. I heard he had other commitments. he would have gotten a bigger contract if the team had waited until this off season to sign him.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

disagree. Paul Allen is the owner of the Blazers and far be it from me to tell him how to run my team (haha). I thought it was KP’s camp that leaked the firing anyway, which I thought was in poor taste.
 

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

agree but I was disappointed in him beginning of last season. I think he would be able to adapt his game eventually though. he has to.
 

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.

agree to a degree and I think he will still play for a long time.
 

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.

 
disagree. we have a quality long-term solution at starting PG.

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

disagree. I like Bayless and I think he will be the right PG for this team in the future and for the future.
 

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

undecided. I don’t know. I like Batum’s game.
 

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.

agree and disagree. if Brandon is healthy I think he’s a star. he’s an alpha-dog and he wants the last shot. I think that this team does need another super star or star. Enter Greg Oden.
 

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

agree. when he’s able to come back and play, he will demand big money i think and the blazers probably won’t be willing to pay. but who knows, he is younger than Camby. his contract is valuable in a trade though.
 

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

agree but it won’t be the only thing that affects the NBA in the future.

by chickenmelt on Jul 31, 2010 6:16 AM PDT reply actions  

i'm game

are you just trying to get a job with Cho? I kid.
1. undecided,
  I think this is the year I make my mind up about that, but I am leaning towards agree, I just think he is young enough he could still change.
2. disagree,
I care more about the blazers than team USA and who knows or cares why he did what he did. I think his contract looks pretty good now, and I think he will get better.
3. disagree,
 I think there was a lot going on behind the scenes and That KP was flawed. Why wasn’t he hired in a nanosecond? its’ pauls team not mine, he can do what he wants.
4.Agree
I guess you didn’t ask for commentary on each question, but I don’t know if I can stop. Broys a solid 2.
5.disagree
Again, this is the year I really decide that, but My opitmism won’t let me write undecided. HE can do it!
6.A. agree
6.b. agree
 Just seems too spastic
7. disagree
Love the kid, he could be an important piece.
8.disagree
If oden can contribute you can have 2 or 3 moderate stars and thats as good as a superstar. See – LBJ Cavaliers
9,disagree
thought so earlier in the year, but now it sounds like he might play
10.undecided.
I just have no idea.

by twggyy on Jul 31, 2010 7:12 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree. He’s risk adverse but defense wins championships.

2. Disagree. Based on what other deals big men got if LMA had gotten to RFA this summer someone would have offered him a max deal.

3. Disagree. KP timed the leak of his dismissal for maximum effect and it worked.

4. Disagree. BR can/should play PG during key stretches but to have him run the point for 36-40 minutes per game would just exhaust him.

5. Disagree. There’s a long history of big men starting out will all sorts of injury problems who turn out just fine.

6A. Agree.

6B. Disagree but Bayless has a shoot first mentality which I am not sure fits the big picture here.

7. Undecided. I love Nic but we’ll see where is ceiling is. The reason I would not have traded him for the #4 pick in the draft is that this was a three player draft and the Blazers do not need to get younger.

8. Disagree. Roy has leadership skills Joe Johnson never had. The Blazers need to be healthy and a little lucky to win a championship.

9. Agree. Two knee injuries and an expiring contract make Joel completely expendable in light of the Marcus Camby extension.

10. Undecided. I haven’t paid any attention to the business side of the NBA.

by revdjweb on Jul 31, 2010 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree.

2. Disagree. Aldridge is getting a lot of baseless hate around here because he isn’t Karl Malone. Big deal.

3. Undecided.

4. Undecided. Brandon needs to upgrade his game, but we haven’t seen it yet. I don’t think it’s ego — it’s that he isn’t used to playing off the ball.

5. Undecided. Who can see Greg’s future? Not me.

6A. Disagree. A decent, cheap point guard can be better for the Blazers than an expensive star point guard. I have high hopes for Armon Johnson.

6B. Agree. Bayless has a lot of limitations.

7. Disagree. Batum is the glue guy. He makes everybody else better.

8. Agree + Disagree. There are two different questions here. (A) We don’t have a top-5-type superstar, true. (B) We need a “superstar,” false. Basketball is a team sport. We have a really nice team. What we need (and have!) is a superstar defender or two or three.

9. Disagree. But I bet he’s traded by February.

10. Disagree. I don’t think we’re going to have room for free-agent acquisitions for a long time, no matter what.

by Kaboomm on Jul 31, 2010 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Clarification

. What we need (and have!) is a superstar defender …

Meaning, someone who can defend against superstars. A superstar stopper.

by Kaboomm on Aug 1, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Go Blazers!

1 – confirmed
2 – confirmed
3 – busted
4 – busted
5 – unsure
6a – confirmed
6b – busted – some teams like shoot-first PGs like AI or CP
7 – confirmed
8 – confirmed!
9 – busted
10 — confirmed

by pwb on Jul 31, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Bedge facts? Ok here we go
1. Nate McMillan is not the "championship coach" this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

Disagree. I think valuing every possession……offensive rebounding…..and interior D is playoff basketball and Nate gets that well before the playoffs. Plus who can we get to replace him?
 

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.

Disagree. The contracts this summer illustrate that his contract is fair….but do little mitigate the criticisms of his game. Softness? Yeah he isn’t Buck Williams or Brian Grant (and I loved those guys) ….but then again who is? Additionally neither of those guys brought the scoring that LMA does. Does he fade late in the game….yeah but this is a phenomenon that is seen (to one extent or another) across the league….wings tend to be the scorers in the 4th quarter. Additionally …on our team…a lot of this is caused by rotations (LMA gets his in 1st and 3rd) and the fact that Roy takes over in the 4th. So…by and large….I am satisfied with LMA and the contract he received.
 

3. Paul Allen "jumped the shark" as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

Yup. I am glad they picked Cho from who was available….but why was it even needed? Plus the way it was handled by PA was a cluster from the word go….hiring a headhunting firm while you still haven’t told KP he is gone is BS in my opinion.
 

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

Agreed. The question is ….can the PG adapt his game to the unique player that is Roy? That question remains unanswered
 

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.

Disagree. Greg may never be a iron man injury-wise, but to think he is a bust who will not have a productive career is just being pessimistic. We can all agree we have had some serious injury issues with centers over the years. Walton and Bowie are the prime examples of this, but it should be noted that both men had productive years in the midst of those injuries. Bowie (the epitome of the injury bust player) played in an average of 70 games per year (at 30mins a game) for four straight seasons (starting with the season after we traded him for Buck). If Greg averaged 70 games a year and 30 mins a game for the next 4 years…don’t you think we would all be ecstatic??? As far as Walton goes, we all know what he could do when he just had 1 healthy season (and he had a 2nd healthy season with Boston and guess what? He won another ring as a 6th man).
 

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.

Agree. On the basis of Miller’s contract alone, we should keep looking…..but it doesn’t have to be right this second
 

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

Disagree. I don’t think it is “highly unlikely”…it may not happen…but I think he has a decent chance to be the starter. Prior to Miller getting here, we were thinking that Roy didn’t need a conventional PG as his running mate. I don’t see why this has changed ….if Rex improves his passing and defense (not huge amount…just a moderate amount) he could be the perfect complement to Roy’s game.
 

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

Agree, but we do that will all our guys (if we are not busy hating them)….However I doubt we missed any (good)deals because we weren’t willing to part with Boom-Boom. That is just speculation and revisionist history (people are looking for reasons to bash KP now that he is gone…and these mythical deals that he supposedly passed on are part of how this is happening). Plus I think that if it took Batum, plus the expiring contracts to get you CP3…you would have to do it.
 

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one.

Nope…..Brandon is a superstar…period
 

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

Yeah…I think so…and that is too bad…I love ya Joel. His injury(s) and contract situation scream trade
 

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

Beats me

Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’

by 92wastheyear on Jul 31, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Nate McMillan is an absoluet joke apropos of interior defense, which is his biggest flaw. Because of ...

the severely flawed SOS pressure defense, Greg Oden is frequently left out to dry on doltish switches when he should be staying at home on defense — or at most hedging up top a bit, yet quickly rotating back when defending against the pick-and-roll — to actually hold down the fort inside.

If anything, it’s McMillan’s glaring lack of understanding on how to coach interior defense that I’ve grown to detest about him. Oh, and if y’all want a coach here who comprehends the ins and outs interior defense, then Paul Allen should buck up and fork over the dough — as he did regarding the Seattle Seahawks with Pete Carroll’s five-year, $35 million contract — for Jeff Van Gundy.

Van Gundy, who’s coached numerous top-five defensive squads during his coaching career, should get another gig someday down the line. I doubt it’ll be in Portland, but I’ll certainly wish him well wherever he ends up in the future. Unlike McMillan, Van Gundy is a sharp, intelligent guy who I find very easy to root for personally.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

JVG would make a fine assistant

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Van Gundy really hasn't won anything either

Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’

by 92wastheyear on Jul 31, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

So has Paul Westfall

Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’

by 92wastheyear on Aug 1, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Phoenix Suns were stacked during the 1992-1993 season under Paul Westphal, ...

with that season’s NBA MVP, Charles Barkley, headlining that squad front and center. On a side note, though, Game 7 of the 1993 Western Conference Finals was a screw job, while the Seattle SuperSonics had the best pythagorean win-loss record in the NBA that year in spite of Phoenix, New York, and Chicago posting better regular season win totals.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Dunleavy has also made the finals..... as has Brian Hill

Just making the Finals is not really that huge of an accomplishment. JVG also made his lone appearance in the Finals during the lockout shortened season …and it seemed very flukey at the time.

Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’

by 92wastheyear on Aug 2, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, JVG is hilarious

especially his awkward pauses when on TV with his brother

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll admit that a portion of my judgement on regarding JVG v. Nate McMillan has to do with how ...

they carry themselves. Whether it’s in interviews or whenever he’s wired with a mic on the sidelines, McMillan just seems so basic to me. Van Gundy, however, usually comes across as knowledgeable and straightforward with the way he communicates.

A more linear example would be Doc Rivers, who was a great color commentator several years ago and seems open to delegating responsibilities to his assistant coaches — which is the opposite of “Sarge” — in his areas of weakness such as defense (i.e., Tom T’s strong suit) and coaching up big men (i.e., Clifford Ray’s strong suit). I mean, heck, there’s a major reason that Lawrence Frank is an assistant in Boston rather than Portland today.

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree on all-counts, and I do prefer JVG's bluntness.

I guess I’m still holding out hope that Nate can actually grow and change, but as you said above you’ve been following him for longer.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

1) Disagree
2) Disagree
3) Agree
4) Agree
5) Agree
6) Agree
6B) Disagree
7) Disagree
8) Disagree
9) Disagree
10) meh

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by dirtboydave on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

1. disagree
2. disagree
3. disagree
4. agree
5. agree
6a. agree
6b. disagree
7. disagree
8. disagree
9. disagree
10. undecided – I don’t know much about this issue. I suppose we will all learn quite a bit over the next year…..

by Woodduck on Jul 31, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

1. agree
2. agree
3. agree
4. agree
5. disagree
6a. agree
6b. disagree
7. agree
8. agree
9. agree
10. disagree. We may be a small market but we have an one of the top 3 richest NBA owners. We have nothing to fear from a new CBA.

by Severian00 on Jul 31, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

1. disagree
2. disagree
3. undecided – the handling was poor, but we’ll see what cho does.
4. agree
5. undecided – we’ll have to see if it’s just freakish bad luck or a reoccurring trend
6a. agree
6b. disagree
7. undecided. I think we’re too high on his talent, but I don’t know for sure what we have or haven’t passed up (and I love batum)
8. undecided – need to see the whole team healthy
9. disagree
10. undecided – I don’t know enough about the issue.

by pencrush on Jul 31, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

mythbusting

1. Disagree
 
2. Disagree
 
3. agree
 
4. agree: all great players can adapt, thats why their great
 
5.undecided: as much as I want him to be the star who knows what his body will allow
 
6A. agree
 
6B. undecided
 
7. agree
 
8. disagree
 
9. agree: as much as it pains me to say
 
10. undecided: cba confuses me

Greatness + Greatness = Great Greatness

by noam16 on Jul 31, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree

2. Disagree

3. Disagree

4. Agree, as long as we are winning. If we start to lose and Brandon isn’t getting the rock enough he won’t be happy.

5. Agree

6A. Disagree

6B. Disagree. I think Bayless will never be a pure PG, but his game fits well with Roy, if he can shoot the 3pointer better he will be perfect.

7. Strongly Agree. It’s comical to read much of what people say about Batum (I know a lot of it isn’t serious, at least I think so)

8. Agree, but Brandon can elevate his game to superstar level, he just doesn’t play that well consistently. I think Brandon will need to be that superstar player, I can’t count on Oden to stay healthy.

9. Disagree, unless someone has other information, it sounds like Joel will be ready to go by the beginning of the season. We need all the depth we can get in the front court, so keep him!

10. Agree :-(

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-Buddy Nix

by billsfan4life on Jul 31, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

1. disagree
2. agree
3. agree
4. agree
5. agree
6. A. disagree B. agree
7. agree (the gerald wallace trade!!!)
8. disagree
9. agree
10. agree, sadly it looks like roster and city quality will be the two deciding factors for free agents, portland has one of those, but our roster is a little unproven. But any team that can draft can stay in competition

by StocktonNEP on Jul 31, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Poll

1. D
2. Disagree
3. Disagree
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6. Agree
7. Agree
8. Disagree
9. Agree
10. I don’t know.

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by bgblazer on Jul 31, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

from the old coyote

1. agree, but solely because macmillan seems too rigid. offensive scheme the blazers run currently won’t win a championship.

2. agree. aldridge is overpaid for what he does. does he have the potential to do more? yes, especially on defensive part of the game.

3. undecided , because it seems that there was a distinct difference between what KP was doing and the way macmillan runs the game. lets give cho a chance.

4. agree. anyone with the talent roy has should and would be willing to do whatever it takes to win at the next level.

5. agree. history of giants who have foot/leg injuries in the nba is a dismal one.

6a. disagree. if you can trade for a player like collison you should do so, but that shouldn’t be your consuming thought right now. miller a very decent option. you always are open to the best talent you can get, but have to realize that chris paul or deron williams not likely to fall in your lap.

6b. undecided. sometimes, think i am one of the few who actually likes bayless. he is an exciting young player who should get much better. working with andre miller is likely helping him in ways not yet seeable on the court.

7. agree. while i really like what batum brings, he is no scottie pippin and never will be.

8. agree. mainly because i am unwilling to give superstar status to someone with such a short career. roy is a great player.

9. agree. pryzibilla injuries were devastating, and recovery at better than 70% is unlikely. ilgauskas is perhaps a best case scenario.

10. undecided. who knows what actually will happen with next cba? not me!!

by utahcoyote on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

how the heck can you say what Batum is going to be at this point?

And Pippen was nothing without Jordan…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

funny - a lot of people say Jordan was nothing without Pippen!

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 31, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without Jordan

Pippen was the franchise player on a 55 win team that at least made it out of the first round. That’s at least something.

by HailOden! on Jul 31, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

neither jordan or pippin won a title alone

and jordan is on the record many times talking about how much pressure pippin took off of him.

by utahcoyote on Jul 31, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

but Jordan was a superstar long before Pippin showed up

Pippin was not a superstar until he joined Jordan.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 31, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pippen joined Jordan as a rookie

Was Pippen was supposed to be a superstar before he was in the league? The fact is that neither won a ring without the other….and both had multiple chances to do so. Fact is that Pippen probably came closest with Portland in 2000

Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’

by 92wastheyear on Jul 31, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Post, btw!

Like some others, I really wish I could separate out some of the parts of the questions. But either way, here are my answers.

1. Agree – He is just too stubborn all around. Not saying that we need Phil Jackson or something, but someone who is willing to break from his substitution patterns and “2 fouls” rules. You know, someone who won’t wait until game 4 to make adjustments in a playoff series.

That being said, I believe we can still win a championship with Nate at the helm. It’ll just be tougher than it needs to be.

2. Disagree – LMA’s contract might’ve seemed a little much at the time, but after watching this summer’s insanity, I can say that we made the best move possible. LMA’s game should be expanding every season, and if it doesn’t then maybe yes, we overpaid.

3. Undecided – Too many unknowns to say anything here yet. Ask me after a year with Cho I guess.

4. Agree – Roy seems to be a very unselfish player, and could play alongside anyone at point.

5. Undecided – Another season-ending injury this year and i’ll be giving up on the poor kid. Until then I’ve still got hope.

6a. Agree
6b. Disagree – Even if B-Rex isn’t OUR starting PG, he could sure as heck start for somebody. I don’t know if he’ll fit with our team/system though.

7. Agree – As a fan base yes, we are a little too high on the kid, although he might very well be the second coming of MJ and we just don’t know it yet ;)
As a side note, I don’t believe the front office has passed on anything because of how the fans feel.

8. Disagree – Roy can do it. Believe.

9. Undecided – I hope to see Joel back on the floor at some point!!

10. Undecided – I don’t really know enough about this to say one way or the other.

by blazer_tk on Jul 31, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Way to think outside of the box!

1. Disagree – McMillan’s system is underrated, it just needs a tune up on offense.
2. Undecided
3. Disagree
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6a. Agree
6b. Agree
7. Disagree
8. Disagree. – BRoy is better than Joe Johnson
9. Disagree.
10. undecided

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 31, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Undecided, I loved the job that Pritchard did but feel that Cho may be able to step in and perform admirably
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6A. Disagree
6B. Disagree
7. Disagree
8. Disagree
9. Disagree
10. Agree

by blazersfan50 on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Bottom line is Nate MAY be that guy, but he hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt and his coaching style is hard to stomach at times. Very hard. The only thing that keeps me coming back to him is his regular season accomplishments.

2. Agree vehemently. 
It hurts to say, but he should be on the trading block. Of course, with that contract, who could afford him? What tipped it for me was a post on one of these Blazer blogs that had his scouting review from college and all his weaknesses then (four years ago!) are the same as they are now. Shows me his weaknesses are here to stay.

3. I think we need to move away from "the offseason of our discontent". I believe we’re still in the mode where if we don’t make a move, we failed. There’s got to be a point where we stay pat and work with what we have.

4. Brandon Roy cannot work without the ball, it’s very apparent. He is a great basketball player with the ball, mediocre without it. It’s a huge hole in his game, a liability to the team, and he needs to mend it, though I doubt he will in this system. Nate’s offensive system is Brandon Roy.

5. No comment.


6A. Bayless has yet to show me anything that makes me think he’ll be a good point guard. He’s a great athlete, but this isn’t college football where a great athlete can adapt to almost any position. He hasn’t shown PG skills. In fact, he hasn’t shown much besides athleticism and work ethic. Then again, very hard to bash someone for that combo of quality. I hope he gets it soon.

7.Yep, nailed it. How many times as Blazer fans have we seen this scenario drizzle out? 


8. Hit it on the head, again. Brandon Roy is not a #2 per say, but he is also not title superstar quality. We can win with him, but it’s going to be a team effort. He won’t be able to carry this team to a title. I blame his girly man cries after every drive to the basket.

9. :(

10. Can’t speak to this.

by fysho31 on Jul 31, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Re # 8
we can win with him, but it’s going to be a team effort.

What about those 5 assists per game average that he has carried since he has been a pro….sounds like team work to me….especially at the pace our guys play

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 31, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yoga Zen Master

 1. U (during the regular season I’m pretty optimistic with his coaching, and then come the playoffs…yeesh. Part of me thinks he can learn from his mistakes, part of me doesn’t think he can learn fast enough)
 2. A
 3. U (there are two sides to every story so I cannot judge. We will see how good Cho can be)
 4. A
 5. D (he just needs to become a yoga-zen-master)
 6. A/ A
 7. D
 8. D (we just need health, happiness, and more health. happiness is optional)
 9. A
10. U (I just don’t know enough, if anything, about this subject)

"I've got to protect my guys' backs. I don't care about you. I'm thinking about my boys. You want to go beat up on B. Roy, all right, cool. Here I come. Baaaam." - JP

by ChiliConKyle on Jul 31, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

late to this game

1. Nate McMillan — Disagree. He gets a lot out of what he has to work with.

2. LaMarcus Aldridge — Disagree. If Lamarcus is ever going to make a big jump in his game it depends on improving his handle, but at this level that’s really hard. As he is he’s pretty good, and may really work well with Oden in the future. I don’t care about Team USA.
 
3. Paul Allen — Disagree. We don’t know what went on behind closed doors, and Cho may be a good fit. The hysteria over KP’s firing was rather crazed.
 
4. Brandon Roy — Agree. Roy has a big ego but wants to win.
 
5. Greg Oden’s body — Can’t tell yet. Saw something yesterday about how bones aren’t fully formed until you’re 25 yrs old. He could still turn into a poor man’s Moses Malone.
 
6A. PG — Agree. Would rather have Goran Dragic or Beno Udrih than Miller. Blake was underrated.
 
6B. Jerryd Bayless — Disagree. Bayless looked promising late last year and is still young. He’s also not dumb. But this season is his big chance.
 
7. Nicolas Batum — Agree with reservations. He may not be Pippen or Prince but if given 35 minutes/game let’s see what happens. He doesn’t need to be an All-Star to be as helpful as Kersey ever was. All-Stars usually just get chosen on points per game.
 
8. NA — “Superstar” means what? Commercials withh Lebron?
 
9. Joel Przybilla — Disagree. Camby is brittle and Joel may soon return.
 
10. The new CBA — No clue.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 31, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree (but I could be wrong)
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Undecided (I think Roy can set his ego aside but he may not have the skills/aptitude to adapt to absolutely any PG)
5. Disagree (and really hope I’m right)
6A. Agree
6B. Agree
7. Agree
8. Disagree (not that I’d object to a superstar on the team, unless he’s a personality nightmare)
9. Agree (and hope I’m wrong)
10. Undecided (because I haven’t bothered to learn the ins and outs of the new CBA)

"...the rumblings grew louder. Dribble. Dribble. Fake. Dribble. Fake. Shoot. ...a towering dark shadow too terrible to describe. In its hand it held a huge black globe and on its chest was written in cruel runes, 'Villanova.' 'Aiyee,' shouted Legolam. 'A ballhog!'"

by ShelbyC on Jul 31, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Where's the cute redhead, Kari Byron?

If Myth Busters is on, I’m watching Kari Byron, not the 2 geeks. I don’t think I’ve ever even tried to notice what the subject of a MythBusters episode was. My interest starts when Kari Byron enters the screen and ends when Kari Byron leaves the screen.

Where’s Kari?

Keep Portland Weird.

by Broy_07 on Jul 31, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

1 Disagree – good results, even with enormous challenges.
2 Disagree – Deal looks ok in current market, maybe just a smidge high. International competition can wear players down.
3 Agree – similar to Lebron situation, its not the decision that is a problem but the horrible execution of that decision. Handle your business better next time, Paul.
4 Agree – with one caveat: it helps if the PG can shoot. I love Andre but his man can sag and double and roam until rapture. Can be a problem.
5 Agree – because we all hoped for a dynasty making HOFer. I am still an enormous Greg fan and think he can dominate but our original hopes seem unattainable now.
6 Agree – Miller is a stopgap, Bayless still a maybe. I don’t necessarily think we need a star at this position though.
6b Disagree – He has shown steady improvement and is a tenacious worker. Seems silly to discount his potential to be a starter in the league.
7 Undecided – One the one hand, fans do seem to be overvaluing certain aspects of his game. His offense has been exceptionally efficient but people tend to forget it is complimentary offense for the most part. Complimentary offensive players cash in on the opportunities that are the by-product of good primary offense. On the other hand Nic seems to be a natural and has shown flashes of boundless potential. One of my favorite Blazers.
8 Disagree – Brandon is a superstar
9 Undecided – Depends on the knee I guess. Dont think we will trade him for an expensive player though.
10 Undecided – I am CBA ignorant

by Matt29 on Jul 31, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom in a single case

At least, I think there’s room for debate in every single instance. Just to single out one: as limited as Jerryd Bayless may appear now, we need to keep Chauncy Billups in mind as a cautionary example. Point guards have flopped on their first, second, and even third teams before their games finally blossomed & matured.

OK, I DO think that Paul Allen has again shown that for all his money and desire to win, he’s not “the greatest owner in sports.” The dysfunctional gang that brought you the Darius Miles email was back at it again with their handling of the Tom Penn/Kevin Pritchard affair.

But admittedly Kevin Pritchard wasn’t “the greatest GM in sports” either. Fortunately, the Blazers seem to have scored with Cho. But we should bear in mind: If Danny Ferry had been the best candidate available, Paul Allen & his yes-men would have had a lot of egg on their faces, and the team would have been in big trouble.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 31, 2010 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

1) Undecided – I have always been a Nate fan, but I’m interested to see how this season goes and how the team responds to the new coaching staff

2) disagree

3) undecided – Loved KP as much as anyone but I feel like I don’t know enough about what was going on behind the scenes to really judge the situation. Hopefully Cho is right for this team, I’m definitely excited about him and in favor of giving him a fair chance to show what he can do.

4) agree

5)disagree

6a) agree

6b) undecided – I think this is a very interesting question. Bayless obviously has some qualities that make him an NBA player. He can get to the rim and finish and has shown he can get to the line. I think his passing has shown improvement, as has his shot. If he can become an effective defender at the 1 and still get to the rim as he pleases he could be a good complement to roy, especially if roy is playing as a creator with the ball in his hands. However I think we saw last year the difference between a pure point guard like dre and where bayless is in his development as a point guard. He needs to learn to run the team better and create opportunities for his teammates.

7) agree – Batum is one of the most fun blazers to watch right now and when I think of a championship team, he is one of the important components. However any talk of not pulling the trigger on a trade for a all-star guard like cp3 is ridiculous. In conclusion, Batum is already an incredibly important part of the team and has a fabulous upside/ceiling, but is by no means untouchable.

8) disagree

9) disagree

10) undecided – I just don’t know enough about the CBA or the expected changes other than the opinions I hear around here

by ripcitychamp on Jul 31, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree. Nate has done great things with this team and runs a very efficient offense. He has made things work through injury and slumps and you would be hard pressed to find a better option.

2. Disagree. Lamarcus is one of the most offensively talented big men in the game. He was forced to play out of position for much of the year covering center duties.

3. Disagree. Without knowledge of KP and his agents doing’s I don’t feel I can judge PA’s actions.

4. Undecided.

5. Undecided

6A. Agree. There is not a quality long term solution at point guard on this team. Why would you not continue to look for one.

6B. Disagree. Many teams would be interested in starting JB at PG but most of them are bad.

7. Disagree. I am in the Batum camp wholly and without reservation.

8. Disagree. Roy is a #1 quality player his stats speak for themselves.

9. Undecided. More medical speculation that I have no real knowledge about.

10. Undecided.

by shteveo on Jul 31, 2010 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

My Take

Nice set of “myths”… you captured the spirit of the show very well. Here are my votes for the data set:

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Jul 31, 2010 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn... lots of lag; sorry. Here's the rest.

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term.
Agree. Not fair to Nate, who I think is a good coach but I do believe he’s intractable. He may learn, eventually, but not soon enough to save his job in Portland.

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed.
Disagree. I’m nonplussed about his Team USA decision and am a frequent critic of his play; but I also agree that he’s a relative bargain based upon the crazy prices this summer. I still regard him as tradable.

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal.
Disagree. I was very angry about the KP dismissal… I still don’t like how it went downl. But it seems as if—between the cracks—there was some justification there. I’m quite pleased with the Cho hire but will miss KP until solid information comes out. He reawakened my fandom.

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time.
Agree. But I feel like I HAVE to agree. If he can’t, then the team is sunk. As was pointed out earlier, Roy is the franchise and we have to believe in his skill set. To disagree is to, IMO, essentially declare the Blazers non-contenders.

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.
Disagree. I’m worried but was too infatuated with the awesome play GO was showing pre-injury last fall. I loved his game. I’m declaring his body worth another shot. Or at least a reasonably good gamble.

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.
Agree. Though I’m happy with Miller. I’m equally happy with a Moneyball PG rather than a name-brand PG.

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team.
Agree. I like JB’s game but I don’t see him as a PG. He may be too short for a SG. I worry about the guy because I really like him.

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent.
DISAGREE. I love Batum. The only thing I worry about is his shoulder.

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad.
Agree. And I like that. I don’t want a superstar squad. I want a team. Even if it ultimately costs the city a championship, I would rather contend with a team than auto-win with (purchased) superstars.

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.
Agree. And it kills me because that guy has done absolutely everything this franchise has asked him to do. If PA would tip him on his way out, I would be happier. If it is ever possible for character and loyalty to matter, it should matter with Joel.

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions.
Agree. And I hope it does. One of the reasons I liked KP and like Cho is the statistcal methodology of finding value where no one else does (Moneyball). That makes the game exciting for me. Every time a small-market team like Portland (or Oakland or Green Bay) defeats a spendthrift team like Miami (or Yankees or Dallas Cowboys), the happier it makes me. I WANT Portland to win against those odds. It’s part of the reason I’ll cheer for them.

Thanks for reading and cataloguing this (few, I think, will make it this far down the comments list).

 

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Jul 31, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

My answers

1. Undecided – Nate is a great coach, and he does well on a developing team. He hasn’t really coached a legitimate contender before, so it’ll be interesting to see how his coaching does in the playoffs. Slow and steady often wins the race.
2. Disagree – in my mind, last season showed us that Aldridge is a beacon of consistency. In my mind, that was what made him worth the max. Of course, the question remains about the development of a post game. If he works that out, he will be 100% worth the money. Otherwise it’s iffy, but the guy did have that huge streak of double digit point games. He was one of the biggest reasons we hit 50 wins. Some nights he did it almost single-handedly, really.
3. Disagree – we don’t know exactly what happened with KP. The media hasn’t come out with anything. Until we know the exact situation, we can’t judge Allen’s decision. This has to be laid to rest.
4. Agree – BRoy has the choice to become a great first option on a team, or the very best second option. (if you would rank him over Gasol). It’s debatable whether he could lead a team to a championship as the best player. People often say we would have everything we need if we acquire a stronger piece. I feel like the Miller situation opened Roy’s eyes enough that he will start to accept playing with any point guard, because it could easily make his game much better
5. Disagree – Many players overcome some pretty serious injuries. Big men don’t start to become more reliable until they reach a certain age. (See: Nene)
6A. Agree – sorry Jaybay.
6B. Undecided – there are a lot of “Maybes”. He could probably be a starting 2 in the league too.
7. Disagree – he’s my favorite player. I’m a huge Batum fan, and based on his improvement in such a short period, he has a phenomenally high ceiling.
8. Agree – I would’ve given a Roy-centric team a really good shot before Miami burst into the scene, but with that team on the other side, we’ll need a tad more firepower to win. Roy would be an amazing second option, and LaMarcus and impressive third. Chris Paul comes to mind. It could happen.
9. Undecided – This is all based on if we get Paul, or trade Rudy, or whatever. If we don’t make a big trade this offseason, he will play again at some point with us. If we do, his cap space is pretty much the first thing we wave goodbye to.
10. Undecided – but probably yes. Honestly, the part of basketball I know least about is the financial side. I can pull statistics out of thin air, and talk about any benchwarmer for as long as I please, but I never put that much energy into the whole contracts and CBA stuff. But from what I’ve heard, we’re pretty screwed.

I'm gonna be the only A-hole that owns a Nic Batum jersey that doesn't live in France. Awesome.

by CoRBBall on Jul 31, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm finished with Paul Allen, I can tell you that much...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 31, 2010 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

........................ he is, after all, the man who brought us the Jail Blazers...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 31, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's also worth $13,500,000,000.

As Metallica would sing, “Sad But True.”

by AK1984 on Jul 31, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

AK, did you fill one out anywhere?

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without Paul Allen there would be no Rose Garden.

Without the Rose Garden there would no longer be any Blazers in this town. Simple.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 1, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not much question there

Doesn’t mean we can’t point out when the Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Aug 1, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

People can criticize Paul Allen all they want,

but we should remember we seldom have all the facts when we are doing it. I don’t like how he publicly humiliated KP, and I’ve said so. But I will never have all facts about why he eventually fired him, so that’s another matter entirely.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 1, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Allen's defense (yes!)

I do buy the theory (sorry, I forget who suggested this) that PA didn’t intend to humiliate KP by firing him on draft day. That wouldn’t have made a lot of sense. More likely he’d intended to wait until the dust settled post-draft, then lower the boom. But—as the theory goes—KP forced the issue on draft day, then KP’s agent leaked the news to make Allen look bad.

As you say, we’ll never know about some of this stuff. But at least in this one respect, I suspect Allen has gotten an unfair rap.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Aug 2, 2010 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

The ideal time to cut ties with KP

was the Friday after the draft, after the 5pm news cycle heading into the weekend

I think the Blazers would’ve perferred this timing, but since Allen was in town Thursday they had “the big meeting” with KP, then. If Paul told Kevin to keep the news on the down low and he leaked it anyway, then that’s on Pritchard and LeGarie. If PA wasn’t clear about keeping the news in-house, then he deserves the black eye that the Blazer’s organization received on draft day

Regardless, I’m glad the only “drama” since that day has had to be dredged up by hacks like Jason Quick

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Aug 2, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to him being fired on draft day.

I agree that fiasco was probably orchestrated by KP or his agent to make Allen look bad.

I was referring to him being banished from his seat at the Rose Garden for weeks. I thought that was inappropriate public payback by Allen.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 2, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The seat banishment was so Junior High School. Embarrassing, really.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Aug 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. Undecided. He can still learn.
 
2. Agree. Unless he improves, he’s overpaid.
 
3. Disagree. I think there were internal political reasons (named LeGarie) for the firing. I don’t blame Paul Allen.
 
4. Agree. He’s smart.
 
5. Disagree. Nothing is absolute, and I’m optimistic.
 
6A. Uncertain. No changes need be made right now, but the position isn’t certain yet of course.
 
6B. Disagree. He’s a ridiculously hard worker, who has been showing improvement.
 
7. Disagree.
 
8. Disagree. A healthy Oden is what we need. The Roy-Oden combo is at a contending 1-2 level when both healthy, and we have good role/bench players.
 
9. Disagree. It’s not likely, but it’s possible.
 
10. Uncertain. We’ve never had many free agents, and it’s just going to be midlevel (or whatever exceptions exist after the new CBA) and Bird Rights signings from here on out…I doubt it’ll get much worse.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 31, 2010 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Disagree. But this is a make or break year.
2. Disagree. He is worth the money in this market and is underrated by many people here.
3. Disagree. Who knows what went on behind the scenes.
4. Agree. He can do what it takes to win.
5. Undecided. But hopeful.
6a. Agree. Andre is getting older and won’t be around forever.
6b. Disagree. He has improved leaps and bounds and hopefully will continue to do so.
7. Undecided. Who knows how good he will become?
8. Disagree. Roy is a superstar. LaMarcus is a decent #2.
9. Agree. Sadly.
10. Undecided. Don’t know what to expect.

by blazer24252 on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

My take

1. I’m a Nate supporter and if he were gone I doubt we’d find someone better but you can’t know if someone’s a championship coach until they win it all. All you can do is judge the coach by his wins and losses. Considering the adversity overcame last season the blazers would be nuts to fire him but the NBA is clearly stacked against the small market teams so Nate has his work cut out for him.

Also I think saying Nate was out coached in the Phoenix series is like saying a race car driver got out driven when all he had was a Pinto and the other guy had a Porsche. No healthy Brandon Roy, no GO, Batum was injured, and even Camby had a bum ankle. There isn’t a coach alive that could’ve won that series for us.

2. LMA is seriously underrated on the site. He’s not perfect but 18/8 guys don’t grow on trees. He would’ve gotten way more on the open market this summer.

It seems the best way for a player to be unpopular here is to be consistently good. It’s easier to win fans’ hearts with occasional greatness followed by long lulls of mediocrity than it is to win hearts with consistently good play. People love potential often at expense of consistency.

3. Not sure, I liked KP but the love given to him by many fans was over the top. He was not without his flaws. Hard to argue with his results though.

4. I’m not sure it is a question of ego. Brandon is at his best with the ball in his hands. One can not simply will his game to change. He may improve off the ball but he is what he is and what he is, is our all star. We’re lucky to be led by such a classy player.

5. Who knows? Nobody has a crystal ball. All we can do is hope for the best.

6. I’m not sure the blazers are the type of team that needs an all star point guard. I think we’d do fine with a Steve Ker, Derrick Fisher type point guard.

6b. Someone earlier said they see Bayless as a microwave type 6th man. I think that’s a great comparison and it is not a negative at all.

7. Batum is one of my favorite Blazers but the hype given top him by us fans is way out of proportion to what he’s actually produced. Goes back to valuing potential over consistency.

8. Brandon is is the third (or at least the fourth) best guard in a league increasingly dominated by perimeter players. That makes him a superstar.

9. I hope not. I love Pryzbilla’s gritty workman like play. On a team full of nice guys he’s one of the few that’ll dish out more than he takes.

10. I’m not sure. More than any other league the NBA has always been a league dominated by a few elite teams (Celtics, Lakers, Bulls). I can’t imagine it could get much worse than it already is.

JRogero

by JRogero on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Good stuff all.

Keep it comin! I promise I will sift through ALL of these posts and some kind of super-poll monster will spawn!

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Aug 1, 2010 1:01 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term. His new assistant coaches won’t inspire much change, particularly when it comes to pace. Contrary to what he says, his offense is broken in some respects. He’s just too stubborn.

 I’ve got a long history of wondering what in the world a coach is thinking, and Nate does not get a pass. It seems he’s always trying to fit the player to the offense and not the offense to the player. LMA early, Brandon late. Put the ball in number 7’s hands, let him drive the lane, get off the shot, or get leveled and go to the foul line, or pass to one of the guys parked in the corner for a three pointer – who by being parked in the corner are out of position to rebound or get back on defense. The only way a shooter gets open is when his defender goes to help. Motion and screens seem not to be a part of the plan. If Rudy was moving like John Havlicek and getting multiple screens, he would have been averaging 16 in 22 minutes and Portland fans would be naming every 3rd male child born after him.
 That being said, the man clearly has a plan, he’s singleminded in implementing it, his players generally buy into it and play hard for him. I think the new assistant coach’s attitude may be a little more old school and demanding than than Dean and Joe. For where the team is now, I think that’s a good thing.
 Nate also knows a whole lot more than I do. Likely more than every poster on this board combined. In coaching I think “stubborn” is an attribute. So are results. Last year (I hope) was a injury caused blip in a record of steady improvement.
 Verdict: Nate should stay.
 

2. Based on last season’s results, LaMarcus Aldridge isn’t worth the contract extension he just signed. If he wanted to prove himself, he should have tried out for Team USA and committed himself to excellence.

Face facts, If Webster’s had a listing for “Finesse Power Forward” LaMarcus’ picture would be there. That’s who he is, he’s extremely good at it and he’s never going to be Godzilla. Appreciate what you have.
 

3. Paul Allen “jumped the shark” as an owner with regard to his handling of KP’s dismissal. He meddled too much and the team took a step back this offseason as a result. You may like the Cho hire, but still feel KP was a better fit.

 
Paul Allen did not “jump the shark” Paul Allen is “The Shark” While it’s easy to view him as that quiet, quirky guy in the blue suede jacket sitting in the front row munching popcorn and cheering his team, remember he became a quintillionaire by co-founding the most ruthless, cutthroat enterprise in the history of American business. They stole an operating system from Apple, combined it with the balkiest, most frustrating word processor imaginable and using every dirty, kneecapping trick in the book made it the world standard. Microsoft makes the Russian mob look like Jesus’ apostles.
 Clearly, hiring Kevin Pritchard to replace the nimrods who preceded him was the best move Paul Allen ever made regarding the Blazers. Just as clearly, KP was a monkfish in a barracuda tank and overplayed his hand. I get the feeling you only get one screwup when you work for Mr. Big.
 The Blazers do not belong to the City of Portland, They belongs to Paul Allen. He’s the guy willing to open his change purse to pay the freight for this team that would not exist as we know it without him. We’re able to tag along for the ride – but he’s “The Decider”

4. Brandon Roy can adapt his game to play with any PG out there, even if it were Chris Paul handling the rock most of the time. You have faith he can put his ego aside and let someone else run the offense.

I’ve got faith in number 7. It did take half a season for him to get with the program last year – and then he got hurt. It’s a much better team when Brandon is a prime contributor and not the beast of burden carrying the entire load.
 

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t allow him to be the player we [the fans] all hoped he could be.

We better hope not, because that championship ain’t gonna happen without him.
 

6A. The Blazers should continue their hunt for a quality, long-term solution at starting PG.

Andre Miller may be the most underrated player I’ve seen in half a century of playing and watching basketball. Age will no doubt catch him eventually, but I don’t see it happening as soon as most people. I think he could play and contribute 3 or 4 more years. Behind Dre… I really like Patty Mills but I don’t know if he fits in Nate’s offense – or defense. I Haven’t seen enough of Johnson to judge. With the addition of Matthews at the backup 2 I think Brandon playing 15 min of 1 may be the best solution this year. Clearly the team needs someone at that spot.
 

6B. As a followup to 6A: It’s highly unlikely Jerryd Bayless will ever develop into a starting PG in the NBA, for any team. By starter I mean the team’s #1 option at that position, not just an injury replacement.

Maybe for the Knicks or Golden State or if Paul Westhead returns to the league. I love his work ethic, his aggression, and his confidence, but every time he goes crashing into the lane completely out of control, turns the ball over and peels himself off the floor with those Ava Gardner eyebrows arched in disbelief that no foul was called I want to scream.
 

7. As a fanbase, we’re too high on Nicolas Batum as an emerging talent. He may be good, but let’s not get carried away. The Blazers front office may have passed on some great trade opportunities as a result of this fervor.

There’s no more than 5 players in the league I would trade him for, and his contract does not match any of them. Get ready for next season because I think he’s only scratched the surface of what he’s capable of.
 

8. The Blazers don’t have a superstar on their squad. Brandon is a #2 quality player at the moment (Joe Johnson comes to mind) and LaMarcus is a #3. This team needs a true superstar to compliment Roy & Aldridge or the Blazers will struggle to compete for a title, let alone win one

I would rate #7 the 4th or 5th best 2 guard in the league. #12 the 6th or 7th best 4. #52 and #88 have the potential to become top 2 at their positions. Surround those 4 with role players that fit and I like what I see. I’ve always been more a fan of great teams, not just great players. With a lot of work and a healthy dose of luck it could happen.
 

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla on the floor [active] in a Blazers jersey.

God, I hope not.
I’m a die hard Ohio State Basketball fan. From 1957 till 2002 when I moved to PDX I missed 3 home games. The season and a half that Joel spent as a Golden Gopher was torture. He owned the Buckeyes. Except for maybe Glen Robinson or Bruce Douglas, I was never so happy to see a player leave the league. After I moved here and started following the Blazers I developed an appreciation for his game. Joel is a guy you want on your team and don’t want to play against.
 

10. The new CBA is likely to affect the Trail Blazers organization in a negative way when it comes to trades and free agent acquisitions. Less opportunity for sponsorships in a smaller market plus less salary [from a new CBA] will hurt the team down the road.

I don’t understand the current CBA let alone the one that’s still being put together to replace it. I think a bigger threat is the league’s AND the commissioner’s (and hence the referee’s) bias against small market teams. What would the numbers be like for a Blazers vs. Pacers final? In the playoffs this team is going to have to be 10 points better to get a 2 point win.

by heartless bounder on Aug 1, 2010 2:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

good, thoughtful post, with lots of good points.

And of course Nate knows far more about the game than me. I am just going with a gut feeling including style/personality factors as well as technical factors, which others with greater understanding of the game than me have noted over the season, to arrive at my lack of faith in coach Mac. Obviously, for example, a player we both respect, Andre, had significant reservations about Nate’s direction. But adjustments were finally made, probably with a heavy dose of KP peacemaking/directoin of his own behind the scenes. What else is going on behind the scenes is unknown, but I imagine Nate understands the importance of getting it together this season. And maybe his new assistants will help with a fresh perspective on some things. Anyway it looks like we will get a chance to see if I am right or wrong with another season of Nateball. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Aug 1, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which 2-guards would you put above Roy?

(Assuming they’re all healthy of course…)

The only one I’d say is better than him at this point is Wade.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm game

1. Agree
2. Disagree
3. Disagree (Don’t know full story – Cho is potentially an improvement)
4. Agree
5. Disagree
6a. Agree
6b. Disagree
7. Agree
8. Disagree (Roy can be #1 offensive player on champ team if Greg is anchoring the D)
9. Agree
10. Disagree

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by MadBlaze on Aug 1, 2010 3:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Here we go. Paraphrasing the questions.

1. Nate McMillan is not the “championship coach” this team needs long-term…

Disagree. I think his system is good, and I heard he was even planning on having a more up pace 2nd team last year but it didn’t happen with the injuries.

2. LA isn’t worth the contract extension and should have played for USA

Disagree. I think he will work perfectly with the team when Greg is going strong. I have no opinion about USA. That’s his choice.

3. PA “jumped the shark”

Agree. I don’t know the whole story, but it was note graceful at all.

4. Roy can put his ego aside and adapt to a CP3 type PG.

Agree. Completely. I don’t think Roy has much of an ego and the Roy I know is one of the best sg’s in the NBA, and if you’re the best, you can change a little bit.

5. Greg Oden’s body won’t let him be the player we hoped he would be.

Undecided.

6a. Blazers should keep shopping for a long term PG.

Agree. I agree, but I don’t know if the Blazers will find a guy (besides Paul) that fits all the things the Blazers want.

6b. Bayless is unlikely to become a starting PG.

Agree. I think it is unlikely for a 2 or combo guard to become a real PG. It’s unlikely, but not impossible. I still hope he can become the Blazers PG.

7. We over value Nic Batum.

Agree. I know I do. Last year I didn’t quite buy into it as much, but I did this year. I think he’s going to be really really good, but I’m not convinced yet he’ll be a big all star type player.

8. Blazers need a true superstar…

Disagree. I think that this team is going to win a championship with teamwork and not by relying on a “superstar”. A superstar guy like Bryant, where you can put your championship hopes on one player, seems rare. I don’t think they can wait for their Kobe Bryant. Instead, they can have a core of great players surrounded by key bench players.

9. We’ve likely seen the last of Joel Przybilla as a Blazer.

Agree. Sadly. I really want him to be a lifelong blazer. And I feel like Camby is one injury away from retiring.

10.

Undecided. I don’t know much about the CBA.

Of couse I realize everything I say here means nothing.
In K.P. I STILL trust.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.

by llamaiguana on Aug 1, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Pretty much disagree across the board.
  1. - Disagree. If Doc Rivers can win a championship, so can Nate.
  1. - Disagree. Before this offseason, LMA’s contract was too much. However, with all the money that was thrown around this offseason, a lot of it at bad players, LMA would’ve gotten a max contract somewhere. The important part with his contract is that he can still be traded.
  1. - Neutral. We don’t know exactly what happened. Maybe the whole situation was Pritchard’s fault. Allen and his staff handled it poorly in the media, but we don’t know what happened.
  1. - Disagree. Roy’s biggest strength involves him with the ball. I don’t think he’d be a good fit with Chris Paul.
  1. - Agree. Oden may turn into a solid center but he’ll never be the all-star we hoped he’d be.

#6A – Agree.

#6B – Disagree. Couldn’t you see Bayless running the point for Golden State in 2 years?

  1. - Neutral. Batum is an excellent talent and fits well with Roy and Aldridge. What Portland needs at SF is strong perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. Batum fits well. Then again, he’s not an all-star or an all-defensive kind of guy. Batum shouldn’t be untradeable.
  1. - Neutral. Roy isn’t a superstar but he’s the best we’re going to see for a long time. Roy’s not a guy who can carry a team to the finals, but he’s better than anyone on the 03-04 Pistons and they managed to win a championship. Unless some other opportunity falls in Portland’s lap, Roy is the best choice.
  1. - Neutral. With how injury prone Oden and Camby are, we may need that 3rd string center. At the same time, his expiring deal could be a valuable trade piece. If a good trade comes up for Przybilla, it should be taken.
  1. - We don’t know. We can’t know. We have no idea what the owners and players are going to come up with. The only thing we know right now is that it’s going to be different. Small market teams are well aware that they are in a bad position for attracting talent and there are far more small market teams than large market teams. As long as the small market owners have a voice in the CBA, I don’t think it’ll be that bad.

by raded on Aug 1, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I have no idea why it changed all the numbers to 1.

by raded on Aug 1, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

weird formatting things with the # sign

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 2, 2010 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice cover up

raded just needs to admit that he never learned how to count

by tominhawaii on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

reminds me of Steve "Snapper" Jones

he would always have a “point A” but never get around to mentioning B

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by two4larue on Aug 2, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

10 Questions

1~Disagree
2~Undecided
3~Disagree
4~Agree
5~Undecided
6a~Agree
6b~Agree
7~Disagree
8~Disagree
9~Undecided but expect he will definitely be gone prior to trade deadline
10~No Idea

by BLAZERCLARK on Aug 1, 2010 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Answers and non-answers

1) Undecided. – We’ll have a better idea this time next year
2) Disagree – Although I really wanted him to go for Team USA
3) Agree
4) Agree
5) Undecided
6a) Agree
6b) Undecided
7) Disagree
8) Disagree
9) Undecided – I hope not. Joel is great, I’ll always have great memories of Joel though
10) Undecided

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by OVERTIME on Aug 1, 2010 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

1.) Disagree
2.) Disagree
3.) Agree
4.) Agree
5.) Disagree
6A.) Agree
6B.) Agree
7.) Disagree
8.) Disagree
9.) Disagree
10.) Agree

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by Kroes32 on Aug 2, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

1) Agree
2) Disagree
3) Agree
4) Agree
5) Agree
6A) Agree
6B) Agree
7) Agree
8) Agree
9) Agree
10) Agree

by MotherNight on Aug 2, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Almost done tallying. Have 85 voters so far. Waiting to see if we can get to 100.

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Post

1. Agree…We will never win a championship with Nate McMillan. His system is very elementary and easy to read, his in game or lack of in game decision making is detrimental, he reaction time to changes is to slow (take the playoffs for example), he doesn’t efficiently use the strengths of players.

2. Disagree…who is saying that? That fox station…
 
3. Agree…Very sloppy handling. I’m embarrassed.
 
4. Agree
 
5. Undecided…this coming season is his last shot.
 
6A. Agree
 
6B. Disagree…The kid is amazing! With more disciplined ball handling and the right system the sky is the limit.
 
7. Disagree…BAAAAATTTTUUUUUMMMMM
 
8. Disagree
 
9. Agree…Thanks for all your hard work Pryzbilla
 
10. Undecided

by jiggityjames on Aug 2, 2010 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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