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Via insider:

Incoming owner Joe Lacob did interviews on radio and TV on Tuesday and revealed some of his thoughts on the Warriors.

According to Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News, Lacob said he will be very active on the basketball side of the organization. Lacob added that he liked the trade for David Lee and his $80 million contract. Futher, Lacob indicated he's not sure Don Nelson should coach the team this upcoming season, and that the club's salaries won't exceed the luxury-tax threshold.

Kawakami wrote the following about potential trades: "Lacob sounded a lot more excited about Lee and Stephen Curry than he did about Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. Nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't presume that these guys will definitely be traded. But it's also something everybody in the league will be watching."

Monta? Here's a couple possibilities:

Trade 1: For Monta AND Biedrins

Trade 2: For Monta only

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Biedrins

Is a baller. He is like the Ivan Drago of basketball. Efficient.

Silent Swagger.

by 420Phenom on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt he is bad at that.

But I think he makes up for it with his play elsewhere.

Silent Swagger.

by 420Phenom on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if we'd have playing time for him behind Camby, Greg and maybe Joel.

Unless Joel is traded, but even then he’s behind two people.

That being said, I’d prefer having Biedrins over Ellis, Biedrins brings some good rebounding to the middle.

by Timmay! on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Ellis is a good fit

Having to sit behind Brandon Roy would bring about some epic pouting from Monta, way beyond anything from Rudy. $11m a year is also a lot of money for a bench player.

Anyway, Ellis has been on the trading block for a long time now, so this doesn’t actually change that much. I just don’t think anybody wants him, at least enough to take on that contract. I tried to find a team he would fit well on, and I couldn’t do it.

by matthewcc on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Hah. All these talk of superteams

I want to see Prokhorov trade for Biedrins & Andre Kireleinko ! Russian Superteam, try to recreate the old USA VS Russia rivalry

Silent Swagger.

by 420Phenom on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fxl327

I feel like this would be a better trade for the blazers. Pacers get a player. Warriors get relief. Blazers get no part in any of it.

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by JuwanMVPHoward on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

He thinks he's better than Lebron James, no joke.

In an interview, he put the top 3 players in the league as:

1. Kobe
2. Himself
3. LBJ

by thetsaiguy on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monta

is barely above average in the NBA, don’t be fooled by his 25.5 ppg avg, the guy is very inefficent offensively, and can’t guard a chair.

by usmcr3049 on Jul 29, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, you're not kidding are you?

Well, while the statistics make an argument in his favor the anecdotal evidence is also pretty solid. Night in and out he plays hard and defends according to the style of his team. He may not be a great fit ultimately for coach Nate but he is a flat out NBA quality baller who can make and get his shot at any time. His defensive energy, like his energy level in general, is high enough to succeed on any team in the NBA. I reserve judgement about the “fit” for Portland but not the fitness. He’s an outstanding player. Biedrins is a quality player also but you wouldn’t make any movement toward a Biedrins if you already have LMA; unless you’re looking a big trade. I’m not sure what your eyes are seeing when you watch Ellis play.

by oregonslee on Jul 29, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ellis is a volume scorer

the advanced statistics don’t like him. If he were on the Blazers his usage would go down and his weaknesses would become more glaring. Just a thought though.

by Escrote on Jul 29, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the issue of "fit" for a team like TBlazers

I’ve had mixed feelings about Ellis forever. Commentators often bad mouth him but everytime I see that guy he kills. I even thought to myself at some point; “Yeah, he’s got a bad attitude, that Ellis.” In daily play though, he’s proved to be everything but bad. My opinion has shifted 180 degrees on that guy.

by oregonslee on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I saw him guard a chair once. He held his own.

by Row J on Jul 29, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I saw him guard a chair once. He held his own.

by Row J on Jul 29, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The stats just don't back up what you are saying...

His PER last year was 16.74, which is just above an average NBA player, (15.0), shows he is an inefficient scorer, with a TS% of 51%,and no ability to create for anyone but himself, as his 3.8 turnovers against just 5.3 assist per game show. While he is good at going to the rim to score for himself, there is little else he can do effecitvely in the NBA.

His defense is better discribed as “looking busy” than anything close to looking like a player that knows sound defensive principles or team defensive concepts. He is tall for a PG at 6’3", but he gets lost more than Travis Outlaw on defense, especially when his man doesn’t have the ball. Ofcourse playing in GS might have alot to do with that, but it could just be him too, as there are other GSW players who look at least show defensive potential.

On a team like the GSW, who allow him to play 40+ mins a night, he will always score over 20 a game, but on a good team he will never be more than a bench role player, who provides a spark off the bench. For the money he is making there are far cheaper, and better players, Bayless being one of them. If you put Bayless on GS and turned him loose, you would basically have Monta Ellis, a scoring PG who can’t see the floor well, but can get to the rim and score with the best of them. Monta is a better shooter than Bayless, but Bayless is better and drawing fouls and hitting foul shots which makes him more efficient than Monta, (53.4TS% to 51%).

Monta is simply a product of the GS system, and once he is traded, depending on who he is traded to, we will find out what he really is as a player.

by usmcr3049 on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I agree with you.

I’m just confused by how someone can like Bayless and not like Monta.

  • Monta had a PER of 19 in 2008. ( with a career PER of 16.3) Bayless at his best had a PER of 14.2, which is pretty bad for a high usage combo guard who can create his own shot.
  • Monta has a CAREER TS% of 53%, which is better than Baylees has ever been. He’s proven to be the more efficient scorer over the past five years and it’s really not even that close. Before his injury in 2009 Monta had a 58.TS% and was one of the more efficient scoring guards in the league. He ranked higher than Kobe, Roy, Wade, Lebron, and CP3. To use TS% as an argument against Monta just doesn’t work.

I would not advocate trading for Ellis of course. I think that would be pretty dumb, but comparing him to Bayless is silly. The stats don’t favor Bayless even if you include Monta’s down season when he injured his ankle. Defense is where Bayless really benefits, but he still hasn’t been able to put it together yet.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 29, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was not trying to say

I love Bayless, but more that Bayless and Monta are essentually the same player, but in different systems. Bayless is in a system that doesn’t fit him, what Monta is in the perfect system for his game. Put Monta on the Blazers and his production would fall to around Bayless’s numbers in my opinion, and if we traded Bayless to GS, and they let him loose like they have Monta, he would score 20+ a night as well.

by usmcr3049 on Jul 30, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree for the most part.

Except that efficiency almost always goes down as usage goes up. Bayless is rarely, if ever, the number one focus of the apposing defense.

I would bet that Bayless would score close to 20 a night if he was let loose on the Warriors. I also think that his efficiency might go down as teams play him for the drive and make him shoot from the outside. Ellis is a tremendous midrange shooter so he’s not one dimensional on offense like Bayless is at this point.

I would say that if Bayless develops a jump shot he could get to that territory, but I don’t think they’re that close right now.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jul 30, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monta is overrated

and Bedrins has a fairly serious medical condition Athletic Pubalgia, to which there is no cure. It is a condition that some can deal with (Tom Brady) and that forces others to retire. He is a pretty big medical risk.

by Escrote on Jul 29, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Just say no to Monta Ellis.

As if watching Jerryd Bayless on this slow, plodding half court team wasn’t bad enough..

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Jul 29, 2010 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Don Nelson is owed something like 6 mil to coach (last year of his deal)

I don’t blame the incoming owner for “not being sure” if Nelson will be coaching the Warriors next season, either. But I also suspect that there’s no buyout

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Fine

How about this one? Rudy and Pendy for Anthony Randolph

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2wduyws

My mom babysat Paul Allen

by shwa on Jul 29, 2010 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

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