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Blazersedge Mailbag July 29th, 2010

Time for a full-fledged edition of the mailbag.  As always you can submit your questions to blazersub@yahoo.com.  I'll catch up with as many as I can here.

My question is regarding the possibility of the Blazers, or any other small market team, ever becoming a true power player in the NBA (I would define that as a 5-7 year period in serious contention for a title).  I used to think that the overwhelming success of the larger cities was a result of the officiating, but I've lately been leaning more towards the fact that the big players gravitate, or somehow end up, in those cities.  Is there any way that a small market team can break through the barriers of free agency, officiating, and lopsided trades (see Gasol)?  The NBA seems to do a great job at getting the bigger markets and matchups that it wants in the finals, while somehow keeping the small markets (and the rest of the league) happy, buying tickets, and watching TV.  40% of the teams in the NBA haven't made the finals even once in the last 31 years....80% haven't won a championship (incidentally these are way higher percentages than in baseball and football)   Are we (and all of the other small markets) simply playing the role of the Washington Generals?  What keeps you motivated to put your time, energy and money into this team?  Is the hope that we can be the next San Antonio the motivation?     

I'm waiting to see what the new CBA brings because it's going to herald a seismic shift in the way business is done in this league.  My guess is that it'll make the situation worse for small-market teams, not better.  While limiting salaries sounds like a relief to franchises without torrential revenue streams it could make it harder for those teams to retain their true star players.  If two teams can pay a guy $20 million per year he could really go either way.  Who couldn't live off of that?  Cut that in half and he starts looking to make up the difference with endorsements, an area where bigger markets hold an advantage.  Lowering salary also gives extra weight to quality of living.  To a 35-year old with kids that would spell Portland all the way.  But for a 24-year old NBA superstar big lights might make a big difference.  I'll be curious to see if they try to give teams added leverage in retaining their players...an outcome against which the players would battle almost as hard as they'll battle against lower salaries.

Back to the original question...San Antonio shows that it can be done.  If it can be done you have to try and do it no matter what the odds or obstacles.  If you wait for someone else to level the path for you, you probably won't be in shape to traverse it after they do.  If there is an element of big-city favoritism in the David Stern era the Blazers need to stuff that right back up the snoots of anyone who gets in their way.  You have to control what you can control and leave the rest alone.  Seeing how long it takes this young team to learn that lesson is one of the things that keeps me watching.  Besides, I'll be more ready to have this conversation when the Blazers get ousted from the Conference or NBA Finals than when they're losing in the first round.  For Blazer fans it's a moot point right now.

Finally...the more I hear about the Pau Gasol trade the more I think it's a red herring.  Nobody forced the Grizz to trade him.  They had their objectives, which they fulfilled, as did the L*kers.  It's sick that he went to the "haves" when some of the "have nots" would have loved to acquire him but that was within the rights of both teams and perfectly legal.  It seems like sour grapes on our parts (though I munch them too) much more than an example of big-city teams having an unfair advantage.

What do you think of the Blazers getting Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Kirk Hinrich or even Mo Williams? 

Parker is too expensive to acquire, Arenas is too expensive to keep and an ill chemistry fit, the ship has sailed on Hinrich, and Williams doesn't do enough things well and probably looked better playing beside LeBron James than he would playing in Portland.

Do the Blazers need a low-post scorer to win?

Yup.  See also:  Greg Oden in two years.  That's the hope anyway.  If he's healthy and playing the Blazers don't really have room for another post player except for a reserve power forward perhaps.  That's not to say Oden will be a superstar scorer in the post, but he will occupy tons of space and hopefully score well enough down there to threaten.  By the way, is anyone else ready to see a ferocious Oden put-back jam again?  I sure am.

Our bread-and-butter play is high P&R. It's also how Roy starts his offense mostly. Against a good and well-prepared defense, however, it's amazing how it is so easy to defend: They just swarm Roy and leave Aldridge open for long 2 pointer. That's because Roy is poor at handling the trap and Aldridge never rolls. P&R can't free Roy and that usually makes him have to work 1-on-1 to free himself. I believe that's where pretty much all of the stagnancy, predictability and ISO-reliance of our offense come from. It's not just Roy, Miller and Bayless are defended in the same way. How do we solve this? Is it possible to expect Aldridge to learn how to roll or find a new PF to be the rolling guy? More realistic solution seems to be Oden, but how can I be optimistic after what he's gone thru? Maybe a new coach would help Roy & Aldridge to step out of their comfort zone and expand their games?    

You're right as far as you've gone, but you're discounting the depleted roster that ran these plays last season.  Prior to that the high pick and roll was a great play for Portland.  Taking Oden out of the equation and putting in Juwan Howard or even Joel Przybilla allows another defender to shade the play.  It also takes away a massive offensive rebounding threat.  (Though Przy certainly grabs offensive boards he's not a danger to score right after like Oden.)  This is also why the coaching staff values outside shooting, to spread the floor and get defenders out of the way.  When you see more functional players on the court this, and most every, play will look better.  You have a good point about Aldridge and picks though.  He doesn't set them particularly well nor play off of them.  I suspect the Blazers will try alternate approaches to that play this year.

I'm wondering why the Blazers (and other NBA teams) don't bring over European prospects and place them in the "D" league.  Wouldn't the NBA team still hold their draft rights even if they were signed by the D league team?  Young players in Europe often get little playing time (seniority system?) and some have trouble adjusting to the USA.  It would seem a couple years of "seasoning" in the D league playing USA ball would enhance their development much more than staying in Europe.  In this draft, Alexey Shved from Russia would be a good example, not to mention previous Blazer draft picks.    

That prospect has to agree to come over first and few of them would do so if the D-League was their fate.  Also the D-League suffers in a couple key areas:  the players defending you, the players you have to defend, and strong, physical, quick bodies of the type you see in the NBA.  It won't prepare you for the Big Show in those ways, which are also the ways many Euro players fall short.  Players get better competition in high-level Europe than in Albany.

I understand the opportunity to trade Joel and his large, expiring contract at the trade deadline is great opportunity to acquire some great talent. However, how about just keeping Joel?   And then re-signing him to continue on with the Blazers even after the 2010-2011 season? If we exclusively used Oden, Aldridge, Camby, and Przybilla at the power forward/center position for 2010-2011, the minutes break down would be like this: Oden 35 Aldridge 35 Camby  22 Przybilla 16.  And you know that injuries are to going to occur, and people would get more minutes at times.   Also, can you imagine the matchup problems that the four headed PF/C combo would give opposing teams in the playoffs?  I say keep Joel around.   When Camby retires, Joel will still be in his early 30's.   He will still be a serviceable backup to Oden.  

If Przybilla is injured there's no reason to keep him around.  If he's not injured he's going to want more than 16 minutes per game and more money than you'd want to pay your third-string center, especially with the other expensive players on this team.  Camby will also want more than 22 minutes.  Matchup problems wouldn't be that pronounced because you can only play two of these guys at a time.  I can see an argument for depth, but again that's pretty expensive depth.

How do we grade this year's draft?  It feels like we brought in players who all have similar skill sets to players already on the roster.  We replaced a shooter with shooter, then brought in a couple of guards that, on paper, look to have a lot of similarities to our current bench guards.  How do you find minutes for all these guys, and what does this say about Cunningham and Pendergraph by passing on all of the big men still on the board?    

It depends on how you look at it.  The team did not get better with this draft.  Martell Webster alone is a better player right now than any of the three draftees.  Jerryd Bayless will play well enough to keep the new point guards on the bench.  The very similarities you cite allowed the Blazers to move one more expensive player for a cheaper version who will eventually produce (hopefully).  They may make another such move down the road.  This already allowed them to make a move for Wesley Matthews whom they feel is a better fit in reserve than Webster was, which I believe was the plan.  They're banking on their starters growing enough individually and as a unit to make immediate bench depth less crucial.  They're also replacing the fuzzy, "on-paper" depth that guys like Outlaw and Webster brought with honest bench players with targeted skills.  The future will judge the strategy.  It's precarious but it could work.  At the very least you can say the Blazers weren't going to be able to get the most out of the guys they've traded away anyway so paying them to be disappointed and under-produce wasn't a sound tactic.

Is there any reason that the Blazers did not address their most glaring need with a PG this off-season. Luke Ridenour and Jordan Farmar are Point Guards who could have been a good piece for this team and are both under 30. With a point guard who can hit threes it helps spread out our offense so Roy can do his damage and LA may get some space to work as well without double teams as we saw in the post season. What is your take on the point guard situation are the Blazers sold Mills, Johnson or Williams is the future at the position.

The off-season isn't over yet.  Besides, the first move the Blazers will make is trying to address their starting point guard position for the future.  Until they're comfortable there they won't want to trade pieces and make commitments for reserves, which the two guards you mentioned probably would be.  The Blazers are not sold on any point guard on their team at this point though they're not unhappy with them either.  You'll know the PG the Blazers are sold on when they acquire him.

Looking forward I can see a lot of benefits of not making a trade right now. Look what we did with two other expiring contracts (Outlaw and Blake) last season and got tremendous value in Camby which in my mind kept our fingers on the cliff in terms of our season's success. With injuries being part of the game isn't it nice to have a little insurance policy in case something unforeseen happens, what way a team won't be completely derailed? I think the Blazers should know that just as well as about anybody else in the league (except for the Warriors of course). Its hard to see what might happen and who may get hurt but lets just go through the starters. What kind of moves would you want to see if the Blazers lost Miller, Batum, Roy, or LA for the whole year? Of course things will change and values will go up and down, but who would you pick right now to replace them that is attainable with our assets or would you just play with our roster and hope for the best or a lottery pick?     

As to your first point, there may well be benefit in waiting until later in the season to make a trade, particularly in the case of the Przybilla contract, for instance.  I don't think the Blazers will rush any moves.  I don't believe Blazer fans should be disappointed to enter the season with the current roster nor do I think such an eventuality would mean that the Blazers were satisfied with that roster.

Your second point is true to a point.  A team needs to have enough depth to see it through the bumps, bruises, fatigue, and off-nights of a normal season.  But there's no way to make up for losing a key starter for a year.  If Roy or Aldridge go down for the season nobody the Blazers could get could make up for it.  You have to make your moves knowing that things won't go perfectly but planning for them to go normally.  You can't defend against a disaster scenario.  It's a little like saying, "I want my 42nd floor condo insulated against a nuclear detonation!"  Okaaaaay...  We can do that but the money you spend trying to protect against that scenario should be spent living a better life in the meantime.  Every move involves comparing risk and reward.  The reward of disaster-protection, floor-raising depth isn't always as great as the reward from trading some of that depth in a timely move to make your normal ceiling higher.

In my mind the worst thing that happened last season, excluding injuries, was Miller not starting at PG from training camp on.  If he shows up (somewhat) out of shape and fails Nate's fitness test again, do you think he will end up in Nate's doghouse again and could this result in a slow start to the season?  In a larger sense, is there any agreement among fitness experts on the issues of "wear and tear" from constant workouts (contributing to injuries) or the value of complete rest for a period of time?    

Saying "the worst thing that happened last season, excluding injuries, was X" is like saying, "the worst thing that happened to me today, excluding having a fully-loaded dump truck dropped on my head, was getting a hangnail".

One of the changes between a youth-laden squad (of the type Nate has coached since his arrival in Portland) and a mature team (which the Blazers are trying to become) is understanding exceptions.  When everybody is young and finding their way it's important to toe the line from top to bottom.  When guys already know what they're doing they can assume responsibility for themselves and define their own lines.  As long as they produce there should be no argument.  The greenhorns still have to run laps while the vets sit and hobnob because the vets know how to play.

Miller should be ready to play during pre-season and ready to produce fully in Game 1.  If he's not, both the fans and the coach should have an issue with that.  He should pay for it in minutes and perhaps in ridicule.  If that's simply his M.O. and the Blazers can't hang with that he should be traded.  If he is ready when the ball tips, however he got ready should be fine with everyone, including the coach.

It's worth noting that ending up in Nate's doghouse was not due to Miller's conditioning alone.  The two found a rhythm together as the season progressed and I assume they'll pick up that rhythm this year.

WHY DID THE BLAZERS SIGN WESLEY MATTHEWS?! He is providing the same things Martell provided (defense, 3-pt shooting), at a higher cost, with a longer contract. I was under the impression the whole point of the Webster-Minnesota trade was to get aplayer that filled martell's role for a fraction of the cost. But then they turn around and do THIS!    

They think Matthews can play two positions whereas Martell could only defend one.  They think Matthews will become a better defender than Martell.  They think Matthews will be a better chemistry fit.  They think Matthews will be able to perform more consistently with fewer minutes.

Any reason that the blazer's haven't been giving updates, even if only tangential updates, about Oden's rehabilitation?  Is he going to be able to start the season?    

Part of the reason is that they, themselves are waiting to see how this plays out.  Also they're in a no-win situation with Oden and publicity.  If they report positive progress everybody will say, "Humph.  We've heard that before.  The proof is in the pudding."  If they report negative progress everyone will freak out.  Silence is probably the wisest option.  Let the play do the talking.

 

A couple of blog-related questions (which are fine too): 

How much do you and Ben coordinate and plan what you do together? For instance do you just make sure you're not bringing up the same topic in essay form, or do you edit for each other, brainstorm or throw concepts around together, whatever? I'm very curious how it works.    

We try not to post enormous pieces right on top of each other so as not to waste content or tax your eyes, but other than that we generally complement each other.  Ben handles most of the news across the internet and from Portland's practices, games, and press conferences.  I handle most of the analysis, reflection, and many of the discussion aspects.  As such even when we do post about the same issue we employ different approaches and broaden the view rather than duplicating it.  Sometimes we brainstorm how to handle a story or topic, often so we can work off of each other effectively.  But generally we just post and it works.

I'm sure you've seen the Deadspin/ESPN/LeBron story: link (The piece chronicles LeBron James' evening holding court at a Las Vegas night club.)  If you had the opportunity to publish a similar story and situation, only with a Blazer would you write a post about it?  If Ben wrote a similar story about a Blazers player and the Blazers asked you to take it down, would you?

It's an interesting question, as it's getting harder and harder to define "newsworthy" in this all-encompassing media culture.  In general I believe players are entitled to private lives and down time.  We get plenty of e-mails about people seeing so-and-so out on the town.  While I'm sure those stories are true, we don't print them.  Nor would we probably run a piece where we witnessed a player out on the town unless his activity involved something patently illegal.  If a player specifically invited us along to one of his outings and said, "Write this down in your blog" that's an offer we might take, not only because of the specific permission but because (intentionally or unintentionally) it gives insight into who the player thinks he is and what he wants known.  But there the story is less what he's doing and more that he's the kind of guy who invites the media to watch and write about what he's doing.  Even then, it's not the kind of thing we'd run twice.  In this case I assume the reporter was invited along and given permission to write.  Under those circumstances, even though the most scandalous thing James did was eat a tray full of endangered fish, I could see this being a story.

As far as taking things down, in the early days we went through some bumps and bruises trying to figure out what was printable and what was fair.  Now we've got it down fairly well.  We consult over any gray areas.  We are scrupulous in defining what's on and off the record with the people we interview.  If a story impacts the team we give them a chance to give us their take on the situation before we run it.  That's NOT their take on whether the story should be run, but whether they have any comment or useful information to add when the story is run to make the picture more complete.  For instance if a story covers Person X we will give Person X a chance to respond and include their comments where appropriate along with the rest of the piece.  After following all of those steps we have a policy that when a story is run, it's run.  We may add comments or print clarifications, but we won't remove it.  We have removed a couple of things deep in our past but those were long ago, for decent reasons, and didn't have any lasting impact on the site or significant stories.  Our process is far superior now so we've not had that kind of discussion for years.  Had we run that LeBron piece (and we would have had Ben been invited to his table in Vegas) the story would still be up.

I  am a relatively new Trailblazers fan. My question is two-fold:1) Are there any books I should read, videos I should watch, sites I should visit, etc so I am primed to intelligently watch basketball.2) Which sites, columnists, etc. do you particularly respect and visit regularly to keep up with the Trailblazers and the NBA?    

The books and basketball primer sites are numerous and cover everything from basic plays to advanced statistics, so it really depends on your flavor.  You need to know the following online:

Truehoop

Storyteller's Contract Site

Larry Coon's Salary Cap site

Plus you need to check out Ben's links each week.  The three linked sites will give you the rudiments of the league and the discussion surrounding it.  Other sites will show you those rudiments in practice.  As for the rest of the question, I'm going to throw it open to our readership, who surely will have some great suggestions for you.

Keep those questions coming to blazersub@yahoo.com!  Please put "Mailbag" in the subject line.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) 

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Re: Dave & Ben division of labor

I think if Ben could learn to execute the “It’s Like That One Popular Girl Who Wouldn’t Date You In High School” simile reliably, that would free you to do more Chris Paul trade scenarios.

by Kaboomm on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 AM PDT reply actions  

When they opened up a network covering all teams, similar to the model SBN uses

Usually they write on their own blogs in the TrueHoop Network, occasionally they write on the “main page” or at least get cited there in bullet point form. And Arnovitz has been Abbott’s right hand man for quite a while now.

by Norsktroll on Jul 29, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, there was another landmark

a couple months ago when Hollinger, Ford, Sheridan, Stein, Broussard, and pretty much every ESPN basketball writer started posting smaller blurbs under truehoop as well. I’d guess it’s still roughly 70% Abbott/Arnovitz, but you see a fair amount of stuff under the other guys’ bylines now as well.

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by Royster on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I asked the Deadspin question, but I don't think I worded it correctly

The first part of the question, I meant to ask if Oregonlive posted a similar story about the Blazers, then took it down, would Blazersedge post a screen capture of the story if you guys had a copy?

I’m sure BE would be unhappy if you pulled a story, for editing or because of controversy, and then had a competitor publish a screen capture of the story.

by tominhawaii on Jul 29, 2010 6:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Once you put something on the internet

I don’t think you should have any right or expectation to keep it hidden.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

If I am uploading the last 20 photos from my camera and the 21’st is a picture of my penis, I have every right to take it down and to prevent folks from looking at it. I would expect folks to try to save it, because it is so impressive, if they happen to see the photo, but it’s not their right to take my photo or article. Basically Deadspin is republishing someone’s article and violating copy write laws.

It’s no different than Rebecca Harlow Likes to Party. Dave and Ben took it down and it’s never been back. It’s their blog, they can do what they want and they have every right to be pissed if another blog reposted it.

by tominhawaii on Jul 29, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Books, etc for New Blazer Fans...

Thanks for the great mailbag Dave :) great morning reading.
As for books, etc, for new Blazer fans:
-The Breaks Of The Game is great, altho painful because it chronicles the the team’s season so recently after the glory year.. how fast it can all fall apart (sigh)
-Idol Time (for sheer Glow-Basking)
-LINK to ‘77 Championship Game: http://www.platypuscomix.net/fpo/videos/blazergame.html…. just ’cause :)
-Yesterday someone posted video encapsulations of each of the Blazers’ ’91 playoff series. They were great for an almost perfect summation of what it feels like to be a Blazer fan. There has been much brilliance, but also heartbreak…. the feeling of being SOOOOOO close…

I'd still honk once!

by bklynblazr on Jul 29, 2010 6:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Books

The Breaks of the Game not only chronicles a Blazers’ season, but it’s one of the best sports books ever written. David Halberstam, who passed away a few years ago, is a genius. After his death, the publisher re-issued the book, so it can be found relatively cheap now.

Clyde Drexler’s bio, Clyde the Glyde, isn’t well written, but it’s a must for Blazer fans.

Dwight Jaynes’ books, Us Against the World and Long, Hot Winter, about the ‘89-’92 teams are informative as well.

Also, in ‘95 the Blazers released a coffee table book called Rip City marking the team’s 25th anniversary, which contains articles and great pictures. I recommend this one.

There are several books about the Blazers’ title team and Bill Walton from the ’70’s, but I don’t think any stand out.

Another book that I think Blazer fans should read is Flip Bondy’s Tip Off. Sam Bowie is a part of this team’s history and there is a chapter in the book that explains the pick and interviews Sam himself (who, by the way, is one of the most upstanding guys to ever play in the league).

And because I’m a nerd, I love Blazer media guides. I’ve tried to collect them all and I’m only missing one year. I love to flip through them and read old players’ bios.

"He's not your Vydas or my Vydas, he's Arvydas."

by Petro4Three on Jul 29, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read a book called "Tip Off" about the 1984 draft this past year

Here’s the amazon link

If you ever wanted to know why the Blazers drafted Bowie over Jordan, read this account

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It also talks about how Utah found out about John Stockton

and snatched him up before Portland was able to

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re the D-League: I think the Blazers are using it too little, and not in a different way than most other teams

Which, unlike the fabled scouting process, doesn’t give them any kind of competitive advantage from having it. Other teams invest more resources into the d-league, and seem to benefit from it. Mostly San Antonio, Oklahoma City, and Houston. The Lakers seem to be going away from it again disbanding their own team and going back to the old standard “2 NBA teams share one DL team”. While the Mavericks now join the group of teams with their own affiliate.

And Golden State was the team most aggressively using the chance to call up players they liked not just from your own team, but from any team last season, including Tolliver who got tried out by the Blazers first. And while they couldn’t possibly make the playoffs with a completely depleted roster, they did have some impressive successes. So did e.g. Utah, with DL player Gaines winning them a game at the buzzer.

Wages of Wins (I’m not a big fan, but sometimes interesting to read for new perspectives) recently ran a piece by a guest author that analyzed the performance of D-League call-ups, and compared it to late/second-half first round picks. While that setup might be a bit flawed in comparing outstanding D-League players (who mostly already were also good college players, but now have more experience and matured bodies with a higher age) to outstanding college players and a washed-up Devean George in one table, the surprising result was that the called-up DL players overall outperformed the late first round picks. Who knew that might be an alternative strategy to having luck with your draft picks?

Rich Cho might, but we’ll have to wait and see what his strategy for the D-League is going to be after seeing the benefits of owning a team in OKC. I doubt it’s on his top priority list for the rest of the offseason nor should it be, but at some time during the season or latest next spring/summer when they need to inform the league office what they want to do in 2011-12, he should have sketched out and communicated his plans in that area.

by Norsktroll on Jul 29, 2010 7:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Read the article don't think it's a good comparison

Late first round picks since they are on guaranteed contracts are picked just as much for “upside” and “potential” as they are to fill specific roles on rosters. Since a player is on contract for 3 years, the players are drafted on based on a 3-year growth curve not based on what specific role the team needs filled.

A better comparison would be between 2nd round picks and D-leaguers and you would find probably that they have about equal performances. 2nd round picks are on non-guaranteed contracts and the ones that get minutes and contracts are the ones that are performing. They are often drafted for a specific skill or role.

by boppitywop on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very informative post; thanks!

It seems the Blazers could invest more in a D league team and growing talent. Discovering or fostering a talent like Mathews just once every 2 or 3 years would seem to be worth the investment.

So if the Blazers identify a player who went undrafted and/or perhaps performed well in summer league, could they get them placed on their D-league team without it counting against their 15 man roster limit? For instance, if they had placed Patrick Mills on a D league team all last season, would he have counted against their roster limit since he had signed a contract with the Blazers. Alternative, if they had “arranged” for the D league team to offer him a contract, could he then have been offered a better contract by any NBA team?

by kacee on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right now as far as I know there is no way to protect a D-League player on “your” team from being picked up by another NBA team, no matter if you outright own it, hybrid own it, or share it with another team. Unless of course he is under contract with your NBA team, at which point he is on your roster and costs a roster spot. It might one day get developed into a true farm system, but at the moment it is not. The advantage to owning a team is rather in having it close nearby and installing the exact coaches (they need development experience too), GM, and playing style/system that you want to have to be able to quickly send down players and be sure they play like you want them to play. San Antonio made quite a lot of use of this with their team, sending players at the end of their rotation “down” to get more experience. The Blazers pretty much only did it with Mills recently, and before that briefly with Martell.

by Norsktroll on Jul 29, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe some of those restrictions will loosen up with the new CBA;

Owners should see this as a way to grow talent, in the same way baseball does. It will be especially important if and when 18 year olds can once again be drafted.

by kacee on Jul 30, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

called-up DL players overall outperformed the late first round picks

So, how soon will cash-poor teams eschew their late fisrt round picks (or sell them to Paul Allen) and use the DL as their AAA affiliate?

And…will the new CBA not require 3 year fully-guaranteed contracts for all first round draft choices?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

San Antonio is not a good example

San Antonio should not be used as an example of hope for small markets to have dynasties. San Antonio is one of the ten largest cities in the United States. I believe it is 7th. So it is hardly a small market.

by letusrun on Jul 29, 2010 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

By the numbers

The incorporated area of San Antonio does rank 7th in population, however the metropolitan area is only 28th. Incorporated San Antonio covers over 400 sq. miles which is more than any NBA cities except OKC, Houston, Phoenix, and LA.

Incorporated Portland is 30th in population, but the metropolitan area ranks 23rd. 60th by area, covering only 134 sq. miles

I would guess (perhaps incorrectly) when they refer to “market size” they are referring to the metropolitan areas – from which a team will draw the majority of their fans.

Incorporated cities : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

By metropolitan area : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

By area : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_area

by jorga on Jul 29, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Small market

I always find it interesting that San Antonio is considered a small market. It’s in Texas! If San Antonio is in the finals, Texas will be watching. One of the most populated states. If you think about it like that, what would be the percentage of title winners with San Antonio/Huston as the Texas combo?

by utown123 on Jul 29, 2010 7:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I've never lived in Texas

But big states don’t always work like that. Fans in upstate New York don’t feel like ‘their’ team has won when the Giants make the Super Bowl—their team is the Bills. I’d imagine that you get similar regional rivalries in Texas, and fans in Houston and Dallas hate the Spurs more than we do.

by zopa on Jul 29, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could not agree more with your point about depth, Dave

It seems a lot of posters here get so hung up on refusing to consolidate any talent into a star because it will sacrifice our depth and thereby ruin our prospects in case of an injury, but the simple fact is, if you run into injuries to multiple starters, the absolute best you can hope for is a year like ours was last year, which is great and all, but there’s no way we were going to win more than a series in a year like that.

As long as the ultimate goal is to win a championship, you’re going to need to get a little luck injury-wise anyways in your title year, so why should we use multiple assets preparing for a scenario where winning a title is going to be impossible anyways instead of maximizing our chances in a year where luck goes our way and we could potentially win it all?

#52

by Royster on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

depth in the front court =/= depth at the backcourt/wing

Big men tend to get injured more often and get into foul trouble faster

Last year when there was a logjam at the wing and PG, a consolidation deal was necessary. This year, the four qualtiy big men (aka “3 centers” argument…never mind that Camby is primarily a PF) don’t constitute a logjam, because they may be a necessity to reach the WCF

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really more like

Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla have tended to get injured more often and into foul trouble faster (although a huge chunk of that foul trouble has to be attributed to our defensive schemes which regularly hang our bigs out to dry). The Lakers have been running a similar gamble with Pau and Bynum the last three years and aren’t complaining about winning titles in every year that Bynum has played in the playoffs, however ineffectively.

If two out of Greg Oden, LA, and Camby are hury for extended periods of time/the playoffs (really the only scenario where Joel would be seeing more than 10-15 mpg this year), we’re not winning a title anyways, so he’s superfluous to our title prospects, even discounting his injury. So if we can use him to acquire a significant upgrade for one of our 3-4 best players, it should be a no brainer, even if we would be forced to play/start Pendergraph in the event of another injury apocalypse.

Harsh since Joel’s been such a great member of the organization, but just how it is. Any upgrade of a frontline contributor is much more valuable than a large upgrade at the end of the bench.

#52

by Royster on Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

tell that to the Celtics

they were primed to win the title until Perkins went down in game 6, then they had no banger and the L*kers literally snatched the title away from Boston in the paint in games 6-7

If Camby (etc) misses a couple of weeks, you’ll be glad Joel is around and playing 25 mpg, instead of Pendegraph

he’s superfluous to our title prospects

So you say, but I suspect Nate and Rich have a different opinion. We’ll see how long Przy remains a part of the roster

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pendergraph playing for a couple weeks midseason

isn’t going to make or break a title team, and talking about the Perkins situation isn’t a valid comparison because you’re not comparing a stronger rotation vs. having more depth, you’re comparing having more depth with the same rotation and having less depth, Sure, the Celtics would have liked to have Joel, heck, they would have liked to have Dwight Howard there while we’re at it, but that’s not the choice that’s being framed.

A more valid comparison would be "would the Celtics have been better served by having Joel on the bench behind Perkins and a somewhat lesser starter (say Chauncey Billups instead of Rondo) or having no Joel but keeping Rondo? And the fact is, without Rondo, they’re not making the finals anyways so they wouldn’t even be in a position to have Perkins’ injury hurt them.

Perkins’ injury may have been the difference there, but that’s just part of the luck thing that you need. Pretty much every team in the conference finals or above was running a similar gamble (what if Pau or even Ron had gotten hurt for LA? Amare for Phoenix? Nelson for Orlando?). A single injury to one of their top 3-4 guys, even if it isn’t their “star” would have sunk all of their chances. Boston got unlucky, but gambling on having a healthy rotation in the playoffs is more or less a necessary evil to win in the NBA.

#52

by Royster on Jul 30, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what I'm saying

I keep reading that “if Oden goes down then Portland would have no chance of winning a title” anyway, and that’s certainly true if Joel was not on the roster and the team’s only option was to start LMA-Camby and back them up with Pendy and Ferno. Let’s say that the Blazer keep Joel, they advance deep into the playoffs and at the worst possible time, Camby, LMA or Greg get hurt. That’s when having that 4th talented big man can make a huge difference, as the Celtics discovered to their peril

The other point is foul trouble, and having 24 potential hard fouls in the front line versus 18. Sure, Pendy can fill in and give his 6 fouls, but the opposing team’s FG% is going to rise with Jeff in the middle versus Joel.

Big man depth isn’t a bad idea just because other teams don’t have it, it can be a tremendous advantage in the post season and unless the Blazers are presented with a deal that brings them “THE missing piece” then they should hang on to Przy. Many of the trade proposals I’ve read that include Joel (combined with Rudy for Rasheed Wallace) are laughable and grevious at the same time

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by two4larue on Jul 30, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there are 2 good reasons NOT to trade Priz either now or at the trade deadline:

1. He showed tons of loyalty by resigning with Portland when he could have gotten more money elsewhere. Portland needs to also show loyalty by resigning him when his contract runs out providing he recovers from injury and can play near to the level he’s played in the past. Dumping him now or at trade deadline sends a terrible message to other players. Reputation is everything!

2. The following year (2011-2012) Camby will have an expiring contract worth more $$; at his age he is not a good risk to resign so I think he would be the better “asset” to keep for the possibility of trade while securing Priz as a backup for GO if he can be had at a reasonable price.

by kacee on Jul 29, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there any reason that the Blazers did not address their most glaring need with a PG this off-season ?

Ah, Miller aint that bad, like, at all. Precious few are clear improvements (CP? OK).
A younger guard for the future? We have prospects on the team. Bayless is still in development.
I just don’t see the “glaring” need.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Taking Oden out of the equation and putting in Juwan Howard or even Joel Przybilla allows another defender to shade the play

Przy set hard picks and dove to the basket. If the pass hit him in the hands (above the waist) then generally he finished the play with a dunk

This option was missing from the offense since last December, and no other Blazer big man sets bone-shivering picks like #10. Hopefully Oden will learn how to do this as well, without incurring the dreaded offensive foul

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Prz sets excellent picks,

but has horrible hands. His picks are best used for someone else to finish.

by zbrum on Jul 29, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You got it, zbrum.

Joel Przybilla has hands of stone and a TOV% that’s outright vile.

by AK1984 on Jul 30, 2010 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Football, baseball and basketball aren't comparable.

Regarding this:

40% of the teams in the NBA haven’t made the finals even once in the last 31 years….80% haven’t won a championship (incidentally these are way higher percentages than in baseball and football)

The difference between these three sports isn’t any Stern-led conspiracy. It’s that in basketball, by and large the best team wins. Football has one-game-elimination playoffs: anything can happen in one game. And it’s just hard to really dominate in baseball. Even the Yankees can’t hope to win much more than 60% of their games. Over a 162 game season, that rate tells, but there aren’t any such guarantees in baseball’s playoffs.

But in basketball, good teams with superstars dominate. 7 games of basketball is plenty long enough for talent to out. The real story here is that Magic, Larry Bird, MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem and Tim Duncan have won 25 of the last 31 championships. That’s how the NBA works.

Meanwhile—certainly money helps. Teams like New Orleans and Utah can compete, but they’re always one or two bad moves away from collapse. They win only so long as they can find cheap, undervalued talent to fill in the inevitable holes. But by the grace of Paul Allen the Trail Blazers have the resources of a big-market team. Small market teams don’t buy many draft picks. Small market teams don’t sign roll players to contracts like Wesley Matthews’. The Blazers are some of the lucky ones: no championships for a while, but we’ve got a great team and a good chance of keeping it together.

by zopa on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

If he’s not injured Joel’s going to want more than 16 minutes per game and more money than you’d want to pay your third-string center, especially with the other expensive players on this team. Camby will also want more than 22 minutes. Matchup problems wouldn’t be that pronounced because you can only play two of these guys at a time. I can see an argument for depth, but again that’s pretty expensive depth.

The next time you hear Przy complain about PT will be the first time.

With the injury history of Oden and Camby, keeping 4 quality big men torgether on the roster is a good precaution, it’s also an advantage to beating L*A in the playoffs, which should be the team’s #1 goal

If Paul Allen can’t afford to pay these players, then the team is looking at 1st or 2nd round playoff exits as their ceiling

And LMA may not be such a long term solution at the PF, he could be dealt for the “missing pieces” and then Camby start at the 4 with Joel as the primary backup big man

Keep Przy until the trading deadline, then re-evaluate

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Do you thinks it's really an advantage over the L#kers?

To have our 4 bigs vs. their 3 bigs? Please, expound.

I’d rather have any 3 of those bigs + CP3 vs. all 4 + Miller. I’m not saying you can trade Prz for CP3 straight up, of course, just that you trade from a position of strength so that you can balance the team.

by zbrum on Jul 29, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, because of foul trouble

How many times do you see the 3rd string PF-C have to play 5-6 minutes during the 2nd quarter, because the starting center and his primary backup have picked up 2-3 fouls each and they’re stuck on the bench until halftime? Then the team goes into the half trailing because the scrub big man was badly outplayed during that period of time

The Celtics had the L*kers on the ropes after game 5 because they could rotate Perkins, Garnett, Wallace and Davis but when Kendrick went down early in game 6 Boston lost their main banger and the rebounding advantage and the series swung decisively to L*A.

There is no downside in having an “extra” big man, as long as the players involved are unselfish enough to make it work. Over the course of a 6 month season and 2 month post season there will be plenty of opportunities for Przy to fill in due to minor injuries or to just give one of the other big guys a break, like on the second night of back-to-back games, or the 4th game in 5 nights. Ideally, 96 mpg divided up among 4 players will leave them all fresher at the end of the year than the same time divided up between 3 primary big guys.

The trade speculation will continue, of course. But I don’t think the Blazers should be in any hurry to break up their depth at the 4-5, it’s an advantage that will pay huge dividends in May, especially if all 4 players are healthy and ready to dominate the paint

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, mostly

There’s no downside … unless you consider opportunity cost.

by zbrum on Jul 29, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes Parker too expensive?

Is it his contract (makes less than Paul) or what the Spurs would demand in return? Parker would be my choice if Portland traded for a starting PG, but would SA be asking for a package that NO would want for Paul? Would he be too expensive to re-sign after next year?

by F.Grimes on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I didn't get that either...

To dismiss Parker so easily (part of one brief sentence), seems pretty weird. I know we don’t make up the majority, but there is a decent cadre of BEdgers that see Parker as a great option for this team. Sure, we’re muted in the din of C3PO fanatics, but it kinda sucks to see so little attention paid to a player that might be a great addition to the team, and who stands a decent chance at being traded (younger, cheaper option nipping at his heels).

I would hope that if Dave has a reason he’d share it, even if it is simply a dislike for the player, because I don’t buy the “too expensive” line—not without a little evidence at least.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

As the self-appointed ring-leader of that cadre

I can understand why the “Parker option” is being shown so little consideration. Poppovich has told Tony that he’s not being shopped, and (besides Batum on draft day) we haven’t heard any juicy rumors re: TP’s name in connection with the Blazers

I prefer to think that “under the radar” discussions beat the alternative when it comes to trade rumors. If a name is leaked to the media (and then to the fans) that usually signals that the trail has gone cold and the negotiations were tepid, at best

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aha...

So, where there’s smoke, the fire’s already been put out? Melikes.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 29, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller, current holding the "iron man streak" in the NBA, rests during the offseason.

I read last year that some of the international players who competed for their national teams during the off season had injury-plagued follow-up NBA seasons (Batum’s injury as an example). BROY supposed didn’t touch a basketball last summer, but this summer is balling regularly.

Complete rest for a period of time each year from the sport you play 6-9 months a year. (Not necessarily complete inactivity from all forms of exercise.) Is there any consensus amongst fitness people about this issue?

by kacee on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

The two found a rhythm together as the season progressed and I assume they’ll pick up that rhythm this year.

This goes for Miller and Roy in the backcourt, as well as Andre and Nate. fans seem to want to remember the uncomfortable start last November more than the team’s synergy of March-Arpil, at least up until Roy hurt his knee

The disappointment of the Sun’s series is probably the main reason, but Brandon, Batum and Camby were dinged up and Phoenix’ team was hot and motivated

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm thinking BROY's injury history is one good reason why Mathews was signed.

BROY seems to score points in bunches, sometimes he’s a decoy, but relieving him of some time on the court. My very marginal memory tells me he played over 40 minutes in many games. Getting him out for longer rests could leave him much fresher at playoff time.

by kacee on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Batum insurance as well

If the team has some lingering uncertainty over Batum’s shoulder,thiink he’ll be traded for the right star or doubt his long-term committment to defense(remember the story on one of the Ass’t coaches getting on Batum for slacking on D?),Matthews makes a solid replacement.

by Tisbee on Jul 29, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

thiink he’ll be traded for the right star or doubt his long-term committment to defense(remember the story on one of the Ass’t coaches getting on Batum for slacking on D?),

That was Monty Williams, and Nic responded well to the criticism.

Batum is going to be very good. He’s reached a level at age 22 that few NBA stars have crossed, at that age. If I was Rich Cho, I wouldn’t be looking for an alternative at SF

Matthews is good “insurance” vs injury to Portland’s starters at the 2/3, but he shouldn’t be considered as a permanent replacement for either one of them

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, last December

Roy was playing 40 mpg and I warned that he couldn’t keep it up indefinitely and it could negatively affect his career. Sure enough, a few weeks later the “sniper” shot his hammy and he missed about a month

Now he’s lost weight and that should help, but Brandon has never played in May and it would be smart to keep his regular season minutes down so he can be relatively fresh in the post season. More of Bayless and Matthews at the 2 should help, but “winning games” has to be the primary objective for Nate, of course.

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other teams have a more reasonable view of this.

San Antonio rests Duncan regularly during the regular season with the clear expectation that he’ll be able to play more minutes in the playoffs. Boston did the same, though it didn’t always work. I was suggesting BROY sit longer during his usual breaks, just as every other player on the team does. I don’t think games won in the regular season will determine Nate’s job status; games won in the playoffs will be much more important. The mentality of “winning all regular season games at whatever the cost” seems to me to be like a mental disease that needs to be treated.

by kacee on Jul 29, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duncan is about 200 years old now

and has to rest. During his younger seasons they played him more minutes per game than Roy has played for the Blazers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention all of those games in May/June

that Roy hasn’t had to battle through, yet

Brandon has averaged 37 mpg the last 3 years. If next year’s team is more successful, it could result in more garbage time minutes in the 4th quarter, so Nate can bring Roy and Miller to the bench earlier and let Bayless, Matthews and the rookies mop up

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by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't exaggerate

Duncan’s just a shade over 180…

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by Eat Politicians on Aug 1, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

GIVE ME SOME ODEN!

By the way, is anyone else ready to see a ferocious Oden put-back jam again?

(drools) oh yeah…I think I would say that I am ready…

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4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3

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