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A Geriatric Smell



Do you guys remember the movie "Space Cowboys"? Why did yesterdays press conference remind me of that movie?

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Oh don't get me wrong our new coaching staff drips of experience and compentency.  But there was a geriatric smell to the whole production.  Yesterdays introductions were about as exciting as playing 3 cards of Bingo at the nursing home. B-1, B-2, B-3....BINGO! Now where's my health shake and roll me back to my room!

I love Buck. But it's kind of scary when he comes off as being the "new" guy. He seems to me to be approaching this as an opportunity, but an opportunity to learn as much as teach. I hope he can become 1/2 the coach  that he was a Power Forward but with immense respect, that remains to be seen.

Bickerstaff? His never ending ancedotes of coaching and playing wisdom started to wear on me. He's like some Basketball Yoda that has been hiding alone in a swamp too long. At some point I actually expected him to say, " Do or Do Not Do...there is no Try".  

Seems like McMillans new shoes are old shoes.

I suppose that is fine. As a fan, I'm probably not going to have too much connection to the actual dynamics of the Blazer coaching staff. I'll never know. But my Guess? Blazer One now stocks Ensure and Geritol Silver.

What does it mean when McMillan say's he thinks he's restored some of the chemistry lost with the departure and absence of Monty Williams and Maurice Lucas by reaching out to the familiar and experienced in a Bickerstaff and Ociepka? I have my doubts that he has surrounded himself with a group that is going to push him into new ground of development as a coach. Nothing wrong with familiarity and experience and maybe it was needed, but when McMillan say's "Nothing was broken" then introduces one of his oldest colleagues in the league, as his 'new" hire? Hard for me to expect dynamic change.

Bickerstaff wants to have fun? Well at his age what is fun? Staying up past 11:00 pm and watching episodes of "Murder she Wrote"?

Anyway this is change, but it's like we traded in a Ford Taurus for a Buick LeSabre. We have all the pieces in place for a smooth, quiet ride....but if the thrill was ever here? It's gone now. They are going to have to become Space Cowboys and reflect the difference on the court.

Good Luck Gentlemen, and keep your fiber intake up and check your blood sugar often.

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I heard it reeked of BENGAY in there

If i'm right more than Jason Quick, does that make me a "Blazer Insider"? If so where do I get paid?

by HurricaneDayne on Jul 28, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't say that about Ben!

He’s a good dude.

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Jul 28, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like your car example.

We traded in a Ford Taurus for a Buick LeSabre, which is essentially a nicer and more luxurious Ford Taurus.

I think that these “old-school” coaches may be exactly what this (mostly) young and inexperienced Blazer team needs.

Not only will they bring new ideas and a new perspective to the team, they’ll also help bring on the veteran calm that we started to see develop last year with the addition of Juwan, Andre and Marcus to the roster.

These guys have been through it all, and they will impart that knowledge on the players, while at the same time showing them the mature, business-like approach to the game that it takes to be successful in it for multiple decades.

(Or, at least, that’s the idea)

by thevolv on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

young and inexperienced

really doesnt work on this team anymore, Andre and Marcus are vets vets. Roy and LMA are heading into their fifth year

Sigh...

by eyeotiger on Jul 28, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hence the "(mostly)" comment.

And when it comes to playoff experience, only LaMarcus, Andre, Marcus, and Nic (sorta) have more than one year of legit, full-health playoff experience.

Guys like Greg, Brandon, Joel, etc missed all or significant parts of last years playoffs, and Jerryd wasn’t really a part of the run 2 years ago.

So, while the inexperience is less than in previous seasons (obviously), this is far from a battle tested, veteran team.

These new coaches, on the other hand, are the very definition of battle tested NBA vets.

by thevolv on Jul 28, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could have said something similar of the Orlando Magic

before their run to the finals the year before last. Only a few players had some real playoff experience, but SVG and Patrick Ewing know what it takes to make it deep (although neither have a ring).

by HailOden! on Jul 28, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

In case you haven't noticed

We currently have 3 rookies, 3 second year guys, and 3 third year guys.

We are still pretty darn young.

by upper left corner on Jul 28, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, that's what you get

when you use 3-4 draft choices, every June

1-2 rooks per year is about right, if you want to maintain a veteran playoff roster (and pay the necessary luxury tax…)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

These seem like Nate's hires

They are here to do what Nate wants them to do, or assist him if you will. I don’t think they were hired to do something new or bring something different to the table. And yes, they do seem old as crap.

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by Dheepan on Jul 28, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Do you guys remember the movie “Space Cowboys”?

I made this comparison a few times. The Blazers coaching staff is now older than the GM and scouting staff. So “the Bs” will be getting the Ensure served to them in the PF lunch room, and sending the baby food over to Rich, Mike and Chad’s table in retaliation

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 28, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

For some reason, Ociepka reminds me of the dad in "That 70's show"

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 28, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet another self-loathing Blazer fan

"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 28, 2010 8:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes wouldn't it suck...

To have a coach as “Old” as Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Greg Popovich or even Rick Adelman. I mean we all know that old people can’t coach, right? Old players not so good, experienced basketball coaches is often quite the opposite folks.

by ebnerblazer on Jul 28, 2010 8:40 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank you. I was starting to think some of the young fans around here are ready to euthanize me.

After all I’m 52, which must mean I’m ready to be put out to pasture.

Coaches need to use their heads not their legs. Its OK if they come equipped with a few gray hairs or no hair at all.

by upper left corner on Jul 28, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, but Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Gregg Popovich, and even Rick Adelman all have winning track records.

Yet, the same can’t be said for Bernie Bickerstaff and Bob Ociepka, so let’s disregard age here; rather, let’s focus on Bickerstaff and Ociepka’s history of inadequacy.

I already laid it out the other day regarding Ociepka’s abysmal track record, while Bickerstaff’s reign over the past 20 years — which includes stops in places like Denver, Washington, Charlotte, et cetera — has been substandard.

Though, before his score (i.e., 20 years) of loserdom, Bickerstaff admittedly did pretty well as an assistant in Washington during the ‘70s/early-’80s, while he had a decent run as a head coach in Seattle during the late-‘80s; however, that’s long, long time ago.

But yeah, take that for whatever it’s worth to y’all. I mean, heck, I can’t help it at all if you folks want to get your hopes up for no good reason, since you’ve got the right to lie to yourselves. Y’know, um, I’m not a fan of the ol’ adage “ignorance is bliss,” but it seems like a lot of people live their lives — while wearing rose-colored glasses — by that clichéd platitude.

by AK1984 on Jul 29, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

My original reply was more a critique of the "geriatric" vibe.

I was not as much trying to hold these 3 men out as paragons of coaching excellence. I have no rose colored glasses, perhaps I could use them since I tend to be a little more skeptical of the current core ever getting it done (without at least one big move).

by ebnerblazer on Jul 29, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

not all coaches get to cherry-pick their rosters (looking at you, P-Jack)

of have a superior GM/scouts and an owner willing to spend “whatever it takes” to help the front office acquire talent

Past performance does not indicate future behavior, especially when the roster/talent is superior. Let’s see what these new coaches bring to the table before shoveling dirt on their chances to improve the 2010-2011 Blazers in key areas, such as PnR defense and opponent’s PG%

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

*FG%

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mean spirited ageist remarks

These guys are quality people with a lot of basketball knowledge that can help Nate and the team get better. Old Tex Winter in LA sure has helped Phil Jackson. Let’s be welcoming to the new coaches, appreciate what they’ll do to toughen up the defense and expand Nate’s perspective. You can all hope that you too will be old some day— and that your qualities and contributions will be appreciated.

by KnightBlazer on Jul 28, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Did not mean...

I was aiming more just for sarcasm, but I can see where my comments could be taken as mean spirited. I describe the choices as experienced and compentent. I also say I think the choices are fine.

I really meant my two points to be more about McMillan simultaneously speaking of changing the chemistry, and being open to change, while I think making very conservative choices. Again, as I said, as a fan I don’t think we will ever really know as we don’t see the behind the scenes dynamics of the coaching staff, but I have doubts about hiring an old time mentor and friend in Bickerstaff and then expecting him to be a catalyst of expansion or change.

I suppose my second concern is that it was rumored that Monty Williams was the assistant coach that related to the players the most directly. Monty was relatively young. I wonder how Bickerstaff, Ociepka and Buck will relate to the younger players on the Blazer staff and who will fill that aspect of the role.

While yes, perhaps I crossed the line in some of my comments, I did not mean that Bickerstaff, Ociepka and Buck cannot be a good or even great coaching staff. But I do think there are reasons to question. With the departure of Monty Williams, Dean and Prunty I do think it valid to say that McMillan chose replacements that offered experience but not replacements that that I think are going to push McMillans coaching envelope.

I guess my personal philosophy…and I myself am not a kid, is that age or even a long time connection in one field does not automatically entitle one to respect, or even mean that the person is necessarily great. It may, or may not. Young fools often become Old Fools.

But I did not mean to suggest that age in of itself was a bad thing. These guys have the jobs now. I’ll watch as a fan. I think McMillan does need to expand as a coach, so I hope he chose assistants that will aide in this area. My ultimate evaluation will not be based on age, or whether they carry an iPod or an AARP card, my ultimate evaluation will be based on any improvements or lack of improvement I see on the court.

The young waitresses in restaurants now ask me if I qualify for the senior discount. I tell myself it’s because my hair has turned “prematurely” silver. But who am I kidding? I’m closer to Bickerstaff, Ociepka and Buck than I am Batum and Oden.

I don’t really care what age I am chronologically or what the average age of the Blazer coaching staff might be, what I care about is the ability to embrace change when needed and bring some new ideas to the table. If the Space Cowboys can do it? Then I’ll be the first to buy them breakfast off the senior menu at Dennys.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how Bickerstaff, Ociepka and Buck will relate to the younger players on the Blazer staff and who will fill that aspect of the role

During the press conference, Nate intimated that this would be Buck’s role. (I suspect that Kaleb Canales will have an even larger part of this process, as well)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 29, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

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