Quick: Blazers Shopping Rudy Fernandez
Jason Quick tweets...
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Trail Blazers actively seeking trade for Rudy Fernandez according to agent Andy Miller. Boston, Chicago and New York are leading candidates
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Here's his full story. Earlier today, HoopsHype had a translated interview posted on El Mundo Deportivo in which Rudy Fernandez happily greets Portland's openness to trading him.
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"Portland is willing to make a trade and the truth is I'm pleased they want to do it. Now we have to find a team where I can have an important role or where I can find the dynamics I enjoyed in Portland the first year."
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Thanks to studmaster636 in the FanShots with Quick reporting the potential of further talks not including Fernandez.
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This is the drama???
WE ALREADY KNEW THIS!!!
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by mark twain on Jul 27, 2010 8:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
What did you expect?
J-Quick always trumpets things you already knew.
Kenny Vance called it, 2 seconds after Quick originally tried to stir up a story.
This is the 2nd LAME workup to nothing today...
First one was 95.5 hyping up some HUGE announcement for this morning at 7:30am… The truly exciting announcement that Dwight Jaynes was inducted in to the Oregon Sports Hall Of Fame. No offense to the self proclaimed “Godfather”, but that was just as lame. What a disappointing day.
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by mark twain on Jul 27, 2010 8:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, a double lame day...
I even had a dream that the big announcement was to be that the MSP would be expanded to 6 am to 11 am and Wheels at Work expanded from 11 am til 3 pm. While I’m at it, I want Lars on instead of Canzano from 3 pm til 7 pm. Rome was cool, like, 15 years ago.
Standard Quick
Try to make a big deal out of nothing and comes out about as dramatic as three day old corn chips. Can we get a real journalist to cover this team? Oh yeah, we got Brian Smith at least.
O.R.
"Man, you've gotta be kidding me." - D.Jaynes
I heard the big build-up to the announcement, then I went to work. Later I read the HOF announcement. However, until now I didn’t put 2 and 2 together that this was the big deal! Talk about lame.
i know!
wow, what a huge surprise!
we have the right to disagree with each other; when you personally attack me with that disagreement is when you cross that line.
Kassandra
I finally found one of your post. Anybody that didn’t know that Rudy was on the blocks were not reading the last 2 month.
I like TravisD trade scenarios, but I am sure it would not suit you since it includes JBay.
hg
well ...
assuming this is not a major trade, we need Jerryd as a backup because the other pg’s have little to no experience.
thanks so much for your concern, but i do not require your validation in order to feel free to sbmit my comment.
by Kassandra on Jul 28, 2010 6:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Portland-Quick
We are a small city with one major sports team. Please, try not to over state these things. Even in the event there was big time drama, report the facts and leave the jugdement of “drama” to the fans. – It really makes your reporting look elementary.
by Chris Freed on Jul 28, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
As Kim Possible would say
So not the drama
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jul 27, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
This needs more rec's.
Well played.
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
by Sir Buckets on Jul 27, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
man, one of the few respectable disney shows nowadays
is it even still running? i haven’t watched TV for a few years now.
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
my kids outgrew the Disney channel
so I have no idea
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
try icarly
on nickalodeon. it’s pretty respectable.
thanks so much for your concern, but i do not require your validation in order to feel free to sbmit my comment.
Drama???
#smh
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein
Oh Ben...
This isn’t news. Let’s not spread this past the fanshots/posts…
In Bayless I trust.
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Barrett said Cho's been working the phones all day
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Per Quick on the radio
could be draft pics or could include other Blazers in a larger deal
wake me in 2011
Per Quick:
“It could…”
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LOLZ
Now we have to find a team where I can have an important role or where I can find the dynamics I enjoyed in Portland the first year.
Good luck with that, Ru-ru. I suggest you hire me as your consultant, so I can give you advice like this: No team will give you an important, dynamic role if you can’t hit shots. First piece of consulting is on the house.
Being insistent when you're wrong is just really, really annoying.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 27, 2010 8:14 PM PDT reply actions
Quick sure likes his air time....
Does Rudy have any idea how cold it gets in Boston or Chicago? Seems like any team that takes him is taking a big risk (unless they’re a contender) since he will bolt to Europe as soon as he gets a chance.
Rudy demands more snow.
Porland has not enough snow for rudy
by contemnor on Jul 27, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
send him to the T-Wolves or the Bucks
and hand him a shovel
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not much risk
they won’t be giving up much, and they’ve got him locked in for 2 more seasons if they want
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Listening to Quick on 95.5
says Boston is the favorite and Cho is working on another deal separate from this one. Also, we could get a 1st (probably late, though) for Rudy and deal could be multiple Blazers (obviously Rudy would be included) for one guy
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
if it's boston
I’m betting it could be Przybilla/Rudy for Wallace/ maybe Bradley. Instant saving, Boston gets a cap friendly big man.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jul 27, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't see us playing our chips that we are hoping to use to attract a top-level disgruntled PG.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
empty expiring contract..
wallace is retired.
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
6.7 mil
you’re not adding Przy or Miller to Rudy’s salary to go after Sheed
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If it is Boston,
you gotta think it’s Big Baby or Avery Bradley
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Yes. I'd take him.
I can see them wanting some one a little more seasoned.
We’d have too many guards but I’d still do it.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Ugh
No thanks. Don’t feel the need to add any douchebaggery to this squad.
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Ummm
How about when he broke his hand punching his best mate for hitting on his girl. That is an all time classy move.
Plus there was the time when he pushed a fan who was in the front row after making a shot. I’m not a fan.
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See, I disagree with the others opinion that he is mean or a crybaby.
And punching your best mate for hitting on your girl is totally in the right! How can that be seen as bad? Shoot.
Your best mate hit on your girl so you punch him and then go back to being best mates or you hate him forever and never go near him again. I’m pretty sure that this is just standard procedure for how guys solve arguments and yet remain friends.
The reason I don’t want Baby is that I don’t think he is that good. I think he will be like a mini Posey for us.
In Bayless I trust.
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mini Posey?
Glen Davis is literally twice the man Posey is.
(in terms of cost and output, not ability to eat me)
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Haha
I am in a quiet setting and had to try my hardest not to bust up laughing…
by THEvanCOUVErite on Jul 29, 2010 7:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The kid was edging out onto the court
And Baby had just hit a game-winner in the playoffs on the road.
by Twith on Jul 28, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would take either of them.
If there were a gun to my head.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune
then again, youd take anybody on your team if it meant whoever was holding the gun would point it away.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
make him eat at the house of louie
he’ll lose weight either due to starvation or diarrhea
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
how'd you jump to that conclusion?
house of louie isn’t the only place on earth that has tofu…
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 28, 2010 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
it just has bad chinese food...and often times led to food exiting bodies one way or another
i was walking around with my friend and his family when his little brother had to puke (wasn’t feeling well plus probably dehydrated)…so they decided to take him someplace where it wouldn’t cause too much commotion for him to puke. their parents arrived to the conclusion that house of louie (right around the corner of where we were walking) would be the best place to puke for a little kid without standing out too much.
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 28, 2010 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Guess we should have been reading the Celtics blog
They’ve been talking about this since yesterday morning. Is this where Quick gets his “scoops”?!
I think Quick is trying to
walk softly now that there has been all the changes in the front office. Cho is new to this organization and Quick has gotten used to having access to the Blazers. If he were to tick off the new GM during his first week it could compromise his ability to do his job. Sure this is now ground-breaking and I don’t agree with the tactic of making a small story seem so important, but it seems the Drama he spoke about could have been a story yesterday, but it would have cost him several in the future.
So he abused his listeners/readers to advance his career?
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it's poor form indeed
I’m not justifying any actions, just suggesting that may have been why the talk of “drama” then a soft story.
Yes, but the problem is that it is a pattern of behavior thing for Quick.
He is much better doing buddy buddy, lives of the rich & famous with the players than he is doing this breaking news stuff.
I don’t know if he just isn’t a natural at it, or if he is too nice and is getting played by those around him. But whatever it is, it just looks pitiful.
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I agree completely
I wished he would either a) break stories or b) write PR stories, such as the behind the locker room series. The habit of saying, “Oh man do I have a secret, it’s really interesting, it’s a secret and well some day I’ll write about it” doesn’t do anything other than attract attention to Quick.
Write a story or don’t, just don’t speak of it before it’s in print.
by Oggbog on Jul 28, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makes sense...
First phone call from Cho to Quick:
“Jason you don’t know me, but I know you, and I know what you are about to print. And I just want to tell you, if you print it, you will lose all access to this team. Do I make myself clear?”
“Yes, Mr. Cho.”
“Please, call me Rich. Later Quicker,”
by Visionary2 on Jul 27, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, we certainly got a deal on his contract!
I mean, the pay cut LeBron took to play in Miami is nothing compared to Rudy’s salary!
I'd rather Rudy go to Dallas
I has nothing to do with me living there.
B-Scaz
Boston will sign Scalabrine then trade him to PDX for Rudy.
Why not?
They just drafted Harangody, so they have their goofy white guy to sit on the end of the bench. This indicates to me that we will not be resigning Diener, because we have decided to trade for the inferiorly goofy Chris Paul, and need a goofy white guy who won’t play at another position, i.e. Scalabrine.
Ick?
how can you say ick about B-Scalz he was misused in Boston. I don’t want to sound racist but B-Scalz is a ginger and everyone knows gingers are natural athletes.
I can hear it now...
Mike Rice repeating incessantly every time Scal is on screen that he once scored 20-odd points in a playoff game.
he can do that.
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Bye Bye Trudy
Really wish he would have stepped up when his number was called, but he was too busy blaming the team and style to hear his opportunity knocking. Could have really added a dimension this team needs, with flare.
new york has toney douglas. (defensive minded pg with range)
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Guys on BaB were split on whether they'd do it
They want to send JJ to us though. Bleh
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At this point, I want the future first-round draft pick Chicago is owed from Charlotte.
As it stands, this roster is already overloaded with players; tuhs, there’s no need to stockpile guys such as James Johnson, who’d just rot on the end of the bench.
I'd take the pick
But I’d love to get Taj if we were only giving up Rudy and Pendergraph. I’d probably even do Rudy and Dante for Taj.
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"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 27, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand
"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 28, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Now you're talkin'
With Boozer in the fold taking the bulk of the minutes, his contributions are less important. He would be a great backup, and has a similar build to Camby.
I'd argue there's more room for Taj Gibson in Chicago than Portland, as this roster is overloaded ...
at this juncture. Plus, in this instance, I currently don’t see the Bulls parting with Gibson for two reasons.
For one thing, the Bulls need a backup power forward who can play roughly 16 minutes per game and, moreover, potentially cover for Carlos Boozer in case of an injury. Secondly, Fernandez’s value is pretty low right now; thus, I don’t see the Trail Blazes having the negotiating strength to pry away Gibson.
Looking at the Chicago Bulls depth chart, Kurt Thomas appears to be the backup center at ...
this moment. Then again, though, a trade of maybe Rudy Fernandez and Jeff Pendergraph for Taj Gibson could be hashed out by both sides, but my guess is still that Fernandez gets moved for a non-player asset like that future first-round draft pick Chicago is owed via Charlotte.
Here comes Rondo!!!
/snark
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2c6xwhd
Doesn’t necessarily have to be Utah, just a third team with a TPE or capspace.
On that note, the Utah Supreme Court reversed the convictions of FLDS Church leader Warren Jeffs.
To me, that just screams corruption at the highest levels.
Or Heraldo Rivera...
and the infamous safe in Chicago.
Let's just trade Rudy Fernandez to the Chicago Bulls for the future first-round draft pick its owed from ...
the Charlotte Bobcats — which is top-14 protected in 2012, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015, and unprotected in 2016 — and call it a day. That way, the Chicago Bulls get a starting caliber shooting guard — as well as can avoid signing a washed-up Tracy McGrady — while the Portland Trail Blazers obtain a future asset of value.
It’d be a win-win situation.
is Chicago still under the cap?
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I personally feel this is the smartest deal.
It frees up a spot on the roster and could allow the team to sign both Armon and Patty. Although I don’t know if that is ideal.
I personally feel that receiving a player that is immediately useful would be better.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
useful where?
PG: Miller/Bayless/Armon
SG: Roy/Mathews/Elliot
SF: Batum/Mathews/Cunningham
PF: LMA/Cunningham/Camby/Pendergraph
C: Oden/Camby/Prz/Pendergraph
Where does Rudy bring in a useful player where we don’t already have a minutes crunch?
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
the only thing I can think of is a backup ‘3’ a few inches taller than Matthews who could play spot minutes if needed defensively. Cannot think of anyone specific off the top of my head who would fit this though.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
just the type of guy to complicate, rather than clarify
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is what makes Grant Hill perfect....
He’d be more of a mentor off the bench playing in case of injury or if we need an extra defensive stopper.
he would make sense if we didn't have Mathews
otherwise – he still rates playing time.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking one of Nate's full 10 man rotations
Dre/Bayless
Roy/Matthews
Batum/Grant
LMA/Camby
Oden/Pryz
Think about it this way: if Matthews is going to be our primary bench defensive stopper on the perimeter, who backs him up if Batum or Roy gets hurt? Cunningham? I love the Inferno, but for a championship roster, Hill would be a lot better coming off the ench, and would be a great mentor for all of our young wings, including, and perhaps especially, Roy.
I don't think planning for injury is the proper roster construction approach
It just doesn’t make any sense to limit player development “in case” of an injury. If/When the injury happens – you respond. Otherwise, you construct the roster according to roles.
Mathews fills the backup role at SF and SG. That is the roster plan. Cunningham is the fall back plan. You don’t add a piece like Hill “just in case” you don’t have Mathews as the #2.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the ideal target
are veterans like Juwan Howard who don’t “need” to play during the regular season, but they can step in when catastrophe strikes
I’d like one of these old guys at the #3 PG, just in case
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I'm not talking about planning for injury
I’m just saying we have a hole there if we do have an injury. Grant Hill would be part of the rotation for this season, giving Cunningham some time to season a little more. Matthews will see time at both positions, but Nate likes to have a designated backup for each spot and run two units, in which case we need someone to play next to Matthews unless Cunningham is our guy. What’s more, Hill is the type of player who would add to our young players’ development, not hurt it.
I wouldn't mind Grant Hill
but I’d rather have Dragic off the Sun’s roster, if Rudy is going to PHX
toss Claver into the deal, the Suns can’t get enough stretch 4s
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don't think there's much of a chance
in the Suns letting go of Dragic, he had some serious burn last year and it seems that Nash really likes the kid.
last year I proposed Rudy for Dragic
and Blazer fans said that I was underselling Fernandez
my how the worm does turn
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Dragic is proof positive that youth is better than a "veteran" when you get deep into the roster
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, if your young PG has NBA experience like Goren
but that doesn’t apply to Bayless, Johnson or Mills
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Goran didn’t have NBA experience at all at the beginning of last year. Well, he did but he sucked as a rookie. He got better from consistent minutes.
so will Bayless, if he ever gets the steady PT
but not even upper left corner is going to make a case for Jerryd as Portland’s starting PG next April, if “the worst” happens to Andre on the eve of the playoffs
The Blazers can’t afford to have another PG on the roster as good as Miller, but they should be able to find one with more experience than Bayless, Johnson or Mills on an NBA roster without too much difficulty
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
who do you suggest?
anyone better than Bayless is going to demand significantly more playing time than Bayless (because Jerryd is an upper-echelon backup even at current production). To get a significant upgrade over him, you’re looking at a lot of money, and you’d have to figure out a way to commit 25-30 minutes of PT.
I'm not looking for an upgrade to Bayless
I’m talking about a veteran #3 PG who will be content to not play much during the regular season unless there’s an emergency, but who will practice hard and keep himself ready, just in case (6’3 Juwan Howard)
You normally wouldn’t even have to trade for a guy like this, the veteran’s minimum should be enough. But if there’s an NBA team who has a player like this on their roster, then Rudy could be flipped for his matching salary and a 1st round (protected) draft choice, then it would take care of an experience deficiency in the backcourt
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AJ needs to play
he would be on the 15-man roster, too. But he should spend some time in the D-league learning the pro game. As good as he looked at Vegas, he’s only played against WAC competition, otherwise
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Look, Wilson Chandler is inefficient, overrated, and would just further clutter this roster.
Roster balance is absolutely key, as well as something that Kevin Pritchard had absolutely no understanding of whatsoever. My hope is that Rich Cho gets it, for otherwise it’ll just be more of the same when it comes to roster overload at certain positions (e.g., point guard) and a lack of depth at others (e.g., center).
I understand the roster and PT issue and Useful was probably not the best choice of words. But Armon's not signed yet so don't put him on the roster.
I’m just saying that fans would probably feel they would need to get a person in return.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
not taking exception to your post - but this roster really doesn't need more PT issues
so more pieces would have to be brought in
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that's why I stated that the draft pick would be the smartest deal.
My choice doesn’t have to make complete sense. I say pick up the best assets in return. Whether that’s a pick or a player.
Also, Consider their is currently another trade proposal, players may be consolidated. PT may not be an issue then.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
yup - that was the point of my post - to question where it happens
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
veteran backup PG
Miller seems unbreakable, but if Andre were to get seriously hurt the Blazers would be looking at Bayless as the starting PG…I don’t think Jerryd or Nate is prepared for that
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this is the same Bayless that played the 4th in the playoffs - over Miller
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
and Bayless' backup would be a rookie (or a virtual rookie in Mills)
If Andre is out of the picture for any significant amount of time, the Blazer’s PG position would be as inexperienced as any combo in the league
this should be addressed, one way or the other
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If Dre goes down
we’re a little screwed at that position no matter what. More than likely, we’ll see more creative lineups, especially RAMBO 2, with Roy at the point and Matthews at 2. In this scenario, Roy double duties as starting SG/back-up PG. It just means there will be more minutes for Matthews and Bayless to share.
But what difference does it make? The guy hasn’t missed a game since Juwan Howard was still virile enough to be accused of giving someone herpes.
Have you met Dre?
He don’t go down (knock on wood)
Do you drive cross country without a spare tire?
the Blazer’s current backup PG options are like donuts in the trunk. It’s a long season, and the first time that Miller is seriously hurt could be the end of his career
I want to see Bayless given a chance, but I don’t want to rely on Jerryd and Armon next spring to lead the team into the playoffs.
That hypothetical Roy-Matthews-Batum hybrid lineup can’t play 48 minutes every night, either. Cunningham and Babbitt are almost as unprepared as Johnson or Mills to step up
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
except in this case, the tires go flat unless you use them - and big tires take up too much space, cost too much and force you to give up other cargo that would be more useful
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
answered above
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
hypothetically, how good is your 3rd string pg supposed to be?
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
if that's who you settle for in March, yeah
but if you’re planning a roster in July, and have a chip like Rudy to deal, there should be better options
you’re asking me where the Blazer’s roster has a potenail gaping hole, and I say PG—if Miller is out—especially heading into the post season. If Cho and Nate wait to plug that leak then, the best option they’ll find is another Deiner
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
*potential
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I don't know his game well enough to comment
Heading into the offseaon I preferred Keyon Dooling with the BAE, because he could shoot well from behind the arc in limited minutes. But he’s already gone
I just have a profile. Veteran PG who’s over 30 and a solid citizen. A miniature version of Juwan Howard. If he can knock down an open jumper, run the halfcourt offense and play team defense that would be ideal. The more BBIQ, the better
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I think that sometimes can be the problem with most of us here.
We have profiles but they either don’t exist, aren’t available or are a few players that almost fit the mold. Unfortunately for the latter, we prefer that they match completey.
As far as Luther Head, I’m not too familiar with his game either. The consensus seems to be that he’s nothing to call home about.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Kevin Ollie, Tyronn Lue, Anthony Johnson
round up the usual suspects
I can only hope that Cho has a better list than I do, and that Nate and his staff see the need
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Do you have anyone in mind?
Or do you think the Blazers will be “just fine” with Miller-Bayless-Johnson at the PG depth chart?
(Please don’t say Collison, I’m thinking of a veteran emergency backup, not a replacement for Andre in the starting lineup)
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perhaps
I think veteran pg can be addressed on an “as needed” basis. Plenty of guys to play 2nd string PG behind a guy like Bayless are available off the scrap heap in mid-season.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
eah, but at least if we get Avery Bradley we'd. have our choice between 3 rookie combo guards.
How’s that for roster balance? Probably not what Nate wants to see when he looks down the bench.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Trudy a "starting caliber shooting guard" ?
Thats a stretch
I think he is.
Just not in our system. He could do well as a starter for some teams.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
On the Chicago Bulls, he'd most likely end up starting there due to its need of a floor spacer at the 2.
There’ve been talks of the Bulls starting Ronnie Brewer at the 2, although that won’t work there. Outside of Utah, Brewer is a backup 3. So, unless the Bulls do go through with signing the aging Tracy McGrady, Rudy Fernandez would be a perfect fit in Chi-Town.
Well, I guess if you're not expected to D up on other 2's or have a mid-range game
or take it strong to the hole, then ya, he could start.
that works
i bet Rudy is cheaper than McGrady too.
we have the right to disagree with each other; when you personally attack me with that disagreement is when you cross that line.
I agree. Rudy would play well along side Rose who is good at penetrating.
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by dario argento on Jul 27, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where does that leave Korver AK?
Or do you think the Bulls will play Brewer out of necessity at the 2-guard?
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I agree -- Rudy could start in Chicago if he earns it
They’re pretty good at every position except SG, and Rudy would be a really good complement to Derrick Rose. Plus, he’s a cheap contract for now, so should be very attractive.
I don’t see any reason for him to bolt, since he would have a chance to play major minutes and he still needs to make some money and pay back Spain, right? He really has to get into his second contract or else he’s lost millions of dollars.
Reason # more than one...
Why KP and Penn were “traded”. Quick claims that KP and Penn drug their feet and over valued Rudy for at least the last year or so. Maybe Rudy’s performance in the playoffs this year was one of the final nails in their coffins as far as PA is concerned.
Jason Filippi said that Paul Allen overvalued Rudy, last March
and that he overruled a trade proposal at the deadline
at this point Filippi >>> Quick re: credibility
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of course, there's a good chance that Filippi received his inside info about Paul's man love for Rudy
from chatting with Kevin or Tom—how else would he know about the deal that Allen denied?
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Reason more than #2 that they were canned...
Loose lips sink, well, you know….
Rudy's agent said they met in December and a trade request was made
KP had a couple of months to come up with one, presented it to Paul and Allen shot it down
now Cho is left trying to flip the ashes of what used to be a pretty valuable trade asset
I only hope the Blazer’s front office is run better and smarter in the months to come, they should have seen Rudy’s train wreck coming. Heck, even Vance and Jaynes saw it coming for over a year!
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Do it. It's simple. But I like it.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2awb58e
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Why not?
They need a 2 that can run with Rose. With Boozer, how many minutes can Taj expect to get?
I forgot about Boozer...
maybe they would do that….but I won’t hold my breath.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Just like we overrated Rudy last year
we are now underrating him now.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
We are, imo, under-rating Rudy...
On offense.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
blech
Camby is better than LMA or Rasheed at defense, rebounding and passing
Portland has an excellent backup PF in Marcus and Joel is going to be ready, the frontcourt is deep and long
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I'd take prime Rasheed Wallace's sturdy man-to-man defense inside over Marcus Camby's fancy ...
weakside help defense. Wallace, of course, is done nowadays, but he proved to have a worthy career by bringing a championship back home to Detroit in 2004.
Well yeah, in his prime
but we can’t hop into a hot tub time machine and get the 2004 model of Wallace, anymore
and he’d rather live in Portland than make a return to the Blazers, anyway
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While defensive statistics are suspect
his plus/minus and defensive rating said he was one of the best post defenders in the league last season. The guy can still clean-up the post. But he’s retiring, so it seems to be a moot point.
the L*kers exposed KG, Sheed and Baby Davis
once Perkins went down that series was over, only K*be’s cold shooting kept game 7 close, because the Celtics were mauled in the paint
to beat L*A you need frontcourt depth/length. Keep Przy and let Wallace settle down in Portland and stay away from the PF/RG forever
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Ray Allen's cold shooting was just as detrimental as K*be's in that game
L*kers managed to pack the paint while Ron Artest hit shots.
Sheed’s a good defender. I don’t want him on this team, but his abilities deserve some respect. Moreover, it doesn’t really matter, because he’s retiring anyway.
I'd rather have Camby in that role this fall
which was my original point, AK just took us down memory lane with an unnecessary comparison: Marcus still has game, Wallace is a shell of his former self
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And you'll get your wish, because Sheed is retiring
I’m saying that Sheed, though of course a shell of his former self, when he was an All-Star and starting on a championship team, was still good this past season, and not the poison he used to be. Give the man some respect. He could play if he wanted to.
There were rumors that Rasheed would unretire if they wanted to trade him.
I’d rather he not unretire here.
I don't want him on the Blazer's roster, and the feeling's mutual
So why should I give him props for what he’s done since he left PDX? He wouldn’t care one way or the other. If I met him on the street I wouldn’t look his way twice
I’d shake Buck William’s hand, if I had the opportunity. Or Brian Grants
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It could happen but he'd never play for the Blazers again.
Could be a 2 year deal (2nd year non-guaranteed) with cash and picks to make everyone happy. I think this is more likely than Avery Bradley, but who knows.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is he talking about OUR Rudy?
According to “Chance” on the Celticsblog regarding is Rudy worth a #1 pick:
“Rudy can’t defend, and he can’t create his own shot. Add his rebounding inefficiency, and his inability to get to the line. Rudy would useless asset for the Celtics. He’d be lucky to see any meaningful minutes in the playoffs if Doc is he coach. Rule #1: Must Defend. And his uncertain status (Staying or leaving for Europe) would make the trade unlikely.”
The sad part is I'm not disappointed by how anti-climatic and predictable this "drama" was
my expectations are soooooo low for Jason Quick. He’s (almost) as big a drama queen as Rudy is.
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This just in, breaking news from Quick
There is going to be potentially ground breaking news to come in 5 seconds….
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Tomorrow is Wednesday! Stay tuned for more to follow….
Quick's full story is up
with a lot of typos I might add
can’t he figure out how to use a space bar?
he's like Steve Gordon
the butthat man
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I've read better-written reports from junior high students
This is supposed to pass as professional journalism?
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It's the Oregonian
semi-pro journalism at it’s finest
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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 27, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
probably a big rush
we’ve demanded that he put something up and he rushed the work. I don’t think it’s fair to complain about the typos, give him a half hour or so to fix things.
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by billsfan4life on Jul 27, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Or just look at the screen while typing
instead of his two index fingers…
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What a crappy way to make a living...
Of course, as long as those dummies keep thinking Quick might know something and stop paying attention, he’s gone. WAIT-those dummies are US!!
I didn't say that right...
but you know what I meant. What a dummy!
I'm ready for Rudy to be traded.
If this news hit during the season, I would’ve been sad, but I’ve heard enough rumors to give up on him by now. So long Rudy, I hope you get us Big Baby in return (would be AWESOME).
Maybe the real drama concerns Mathews
Could someone of Mathews’ potential have been acquired by trade, instead of free agency (giving the Blazers more targets to shoot at)?
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
quick seemed to think this would go down quickly.
but the blazers don’t have a strong bargaining position.
i wonder if andy miller came at them with an unsigned contract offer from a euro team. so, the more time passes, the weaker the bargaining position of the blazers becomes.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
i think the only way to improve their position
is to be able to field multiple offers and talk to as many teams as possible. that way the teams compete against each other, instead of the blazers competing against the clock.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
clock?
as much as the blazers may want to deal fernandez what deadline is looming? he’s under contract for 2 more years.
the start of the season for the spanish, greek, and italian leagues i figured.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Rudy and his agent played this about as well as they could
to ensure the Blazers get the lowest possible return for Fernandez
I’m sure Paul Allen isn’t pleased with being told to bend over by Rudy’s reps, but the Blazer owner only has himself to blame for not giving the thumbs up to a deal that was on the table, last Feb
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they don't
Fernandez wants to know his future ASAP. His agent has asked for a trade as far back as December, and they don’t want to wait until September to find out where he’s going next
So they’re giving ultimatums and threatening to make the story go viral if their timeline isn’t met, all of which lowers Cho’s trade leverage with the rest of the NBA’s GMs
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Exactly. As much as it annoys me, it's Rudy's career and pro athletes have a short shelf life, Two wasted years between
the age of 25 and 27 could be devastating. I don’t blame him. He needs to move, we all know it. So let’s move.
I've tried to feel sorry for him, but it's past that stage
Fernandez was snookered by Allen and KP back in 2008 and now he’s trying to wiggle off the hook by playing disinterested ball back in March-April and using the media to come across as a victim
he should have taken the CSKA money and left the Blazer’s offer on the table after the Olympics, but he wanted to follow Gasol (etc) into the NBA and he landed on a team with an all-star shooting guard. What a mess, it should have been cleaned up months ago
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right
so the CSKA offer was before the Olympics, as well. Fernandez probably could’ve done even better salary-wise if he had waiting until after Beijing (not with Portland, his rookie contract was fixed) but he was set on trying the NBA
We’ve speculated for awhile that Fernandez had a tacit deal with Portland to back out of his contract, but now it appears that his escape clause was to complain about his role, play poorly, then ask for a trade.
it makes me want to root against Spain, next month. Go France!
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what deal was that?
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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 27, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No one knows the specifics
There was a rumor going around at the time that we were after Brendan Haywood, but the Wizards wanted Rudy, at which we balked. My guess is that was deal, since everything was kind of geared towards finding a center at that time.
right, we know the deal that KP delivered was Blake/Outlaw for Camby
If Rudy was a part of that, or if there was a different package for another player it’s all in Kevin and Paul’s memory banks. Maybe Pritchard or Penn will let the details accidentally leak out someday to make themselves look smarter than Cho and Allen?
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you mean like we could’ve done a worse deal, but Pritchard vetoed it because they wanted to send out Rudy? It’s hard to do better than a great shotblocker/rebounder for two players who are darn near worthless (and yes, Rudy is more valuable than Trout and Blake still, due to his contract if nothing else).
no, KP could've done a seperate deal
maybe Portland was in the running for Haywood, who knows? I’m glad they stole Camby away from the Clips, but Rudy also should have been flipped before the deadline like Steve and Travis, and a veteran shooting guard acquired to fill his place on the bench
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here's the original fanshot
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what difference would a euro contract make
the blazers would have to let him out of his deal for him to sign in europe.
from the larry coon salary cap faq
There’s nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he’s not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.
The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn’t want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league’s Voluntarily Retired list, forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, but can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
was rudy set to "retire" and sign a euro deal if he didn't get moved?
that sounds like leverage (and a bad rule with how much interchange there is becoming between the NBA and Euro leagues)…the Blazers would have received nothing for him except the contract savings
by sammymohawk on Jul 27, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i think that's their trump card.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Stern would probably be pissed and the NBA would declare double standard on the Euro leagues.
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seems to fit really well with how the "drama" Quick reported didn't unfold
Rudy may have been ready to threaten this play but Cho intervened, got deals on the table, and Rudy decided to keep it in the holster until further events warrant
by sammymohawk on Jul 28, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like something Jason Masoli would do
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I don’t get it.
We can always just not trade him. We have enough bodies without him.
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at least entering this season we do.
we’ll see a couple months in.
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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we all get injured again, I say let Rudy be in charge of everything.
Inactivate any talent left standing and Rudy can lead our third string into battle + take over coaching/practice duties.
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he could also practice the free throw high fives with imaginary friends like...
brad miller was it?…forget who.
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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 28, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
well that stinks
the only way i’ll feel okay about this is if we trade for Sheed.
by DefenderOfPants on Jul 27, 2010 9:07 PM PDT reply actions
Sorry Nate fans....
Here is what I just posted on the Celticsblog-
Hello from Portland!
You all have been discussing this Rudy deal for over a day now. We in Pdx just got the “scoop” about an hour ago. Teaches us to be reading your blog instead of ours!
Regarding Rudy-I have no doubt he could be a star somewhere besides here. Our slow it down, don’t make turnovers or you’re benched, defend first and shoot third coaching style just doesn’t work for his flashy,wide open style of play. Unfortunately, we have a way of making players less than they could be in this town. How about we trade Rudy and McMillan straight up for Rivers?
by kuhnsmith on Jul 27, 2010 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Because Sergio, Blake, Outlaw, Frye, JJ, and Shav. have all blossomed since we traded them.
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Blake shown significant improvement over JJack after his first tour in portland
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by Philthyanimal on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sergio??
He isn’t even in the NBA anymore. If you call that blossoming…
sounds like someone wants to be traded for
a Celticsblogger to be named later
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Rudy is still a good player and can contribute on this team
I don’t want to trade him for below market value. If Rudy is going to get dramatic if he doesn’t get his trade demand satisfied, he can sit on the bench.
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I don't want Rudy at camp.
I wouldn’t just let him walk, but it wouldn’t take much. I’d love to get fair value, but unless multiple teams want him and are willing to bid against each other, we are dealing from a pretty weak position.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care for his attitude either
He shot 38 percent from the field last year! You can’t demand minutes when you don’t produce. Nate’s style hasn’t suited him, but he says he was happy his rookie year so obviously things can work here.
Rudy don’t be a quitter, hit the gym work on your shot and handle. If you perform you’ll get the minutes.
I still like Rudy’s potential off the bench and I believe he can really help us. I don’t want to give him up for a low first round draft choice.
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by billsfan4life on Jul 27, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he works out unless he has too.
I’ve never seen or heard of him putting in time to get better or assimilate himself towards being an NBA player.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
All NBA players work out.
All of them. Some work out more than others. Some work out a lot more than others.
Or I guess some work out a lot less than others.
by Jeffe Portland on Jul 27, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the over/under on Rudy still being a Blazer by the morning?
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Better question is whether a deal will be in place by the morning.
Might take a while to go down if 2010 picks are involved or recently traded players.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He'll still be a Blazer by morning but maybe not by lunch.
That’s tough to say because the other teams are on EST. But I’m confident he wouldn’t be traded until noon/afternoon PST earliest.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
i would be very suprised if he is traded this week
to trade him before the worlds would be a horrible move unless you have a really good offer. and it was quick that said it, so that makes it much less likely to actually be happening. I think Rudy will most likely be moved but I dont think it will hapen before worlds an he may even be around until the deadline
#88
Would y'all trade Rudy For Sasha Vujacic and 1st round pick?
Sasha’s contract expires after the end of the coming season.
I like The Machine and think he could do very well but the rest of the fanbase hates him. As des most of the rest of the league lol
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nope
1st rd pick from the Lakers is likely to be at the end of the 1st rd and Vujacic’s salary doesn’t match up.
by Jam Master Jay on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i've worked this out already.
vujacic (plus $3M cash from the lakers) and patty mills to chicago — fills their needs for backup sg and 3rd string pg
rudy fernandez to LA
james johnson and multiple picks(mostly from LA) to portland
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by ignign*kt on Jul 27, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody in Portland wants Sasha.
I’m not sure anyone in the NBA wants Sasha.
by Timmay! on Jul 27, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah the Cavs wouldn’t even give up crazy-ass Delonte for Sasha
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We probably don't want to trade to the L*kers anyway.
Notice the 3 teams in the running (Celtics, Bulls, Knicks) are all in the East.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
I ain't trading Rudy to the competition that just won the NBA championship!
No Way!
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
I'd trade Rudy for maria sharapova...
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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever you straight.
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if it was a choice between sasha and maria...wouldn't you request the same?
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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 28, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but I laughed to myself and decided to make a joke insinuating that I am not straight.
Now you know.
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Uh, the contracts don't match and, moreover, Rudy Fernandez wouldn't get the desired playing time ...
on a team with Kobe Bryant starting at the 2. Besides, Sasha Vujacic must be in good standing with the Los Angeles Lakers after icing Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals.
If Taj is too much for Chicago to give up for Rudy...
Can we move Pendy back to them in the deal? Chicago might be asking for Rudy and Dante if Taj is coming our way. I don’t think I do that unless we are getting a future 1st. I could be wrong but I think that would be unpopular in Rip City.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Keep Sasha, Take the pick
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If "It's Only a Game", then why do we keep score?
James Johnson + CHI 1st rounder for Rudy.
Do we do this deal? Demand the CHA pick?
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Obviously depends on what the other offers are...
But this seems like fair value to me if Cho likes JJ’s game at all.
by 52therim on Jul 27, 2010 10:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
does this mean
I need to bedazzle the universal NO symbol over the heart on my I heart Rudy Ts?
I’m so mad at him…but no room on the team for this.
wake me in 2011
i can tell you one thing for certain
when rudy gets traded, Jason Quick will not be breaking that story HAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
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I really hope Jason gets frozen out by his Blazer sources
let them call BT Smith, instead
more of Brian on 95.5 and courtside = priceless
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LMAO
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Quick wants sooooooo badly to actually break a story.
This just in from Quick- “I’ve just learned from the Blazers front office that something major or minor could happen at some point in the future. We won’t know until it happens, but it will be major, or something minor…or maybe nothing at all. But something definitely may go down.”
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by dario argento on Jul 27, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Which is why he shouldn't be stupid and hype stuff like this.
Be the first to break it.
Not the first to hint at it.
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he should go back to tarot card reading.
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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 27, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy and a 1st for Toney Douglas
Then we can use Bayless in a consolidation trade with no repercussions.
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I'd also be happy with Avery Bradley or Taj Gibson.
I’m happy giving away some 1st round draft picks too. More than likely we will end up with one more instead,
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Ronny Turiaf?
Ronny Turiaf $4M
Rudy $1,246,680
Jeff Pendergraph $762,195
Elliot Williams $1,254,720
Total = $3,263,595
Total + 125% + $100k = $4,179,493.75
Deal should work under the CBA but is Turiaf restricted from being traded the entire year? Espn says he’s restricted from being traded until July ’11.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I like Turiaf
But I think we would have to send Joel & his expiring contract to entire them out of their recently acquired big man. His trade restriction is only “No reacquiring” by the Golden State Warriors I believe. I hope we land Turiaf.
Silent Swagger.
Ah. No reacquiring.
Turiaf would be the nice productive banging PF behind LMA. Would be a nice fit next to Camby, when he’s moved to the 2nd unit. I think they would let him go, I don’t think that Turiaf and Amare would work that well together. Pendergraph is something of a bigman but not starter quality. I could see why they would want Joel’s contract but I imagine we use it to consolidate in another trade.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
In another trade
There could be a chance Paul Allen is sick of KP’s “Get the best deal you can at the deadline…Whoops” approach & just get it done here inthe offseason. Two patella fractures that close together is nothing to sniff at either.
Silent Swagger.
I forget, Anthony Randolph.
He could be the starting quality Center/PF next to Amare. So aside from keeping Turiaf as a back up they could choose to trade him but it does look highly unlikely because they have no depth.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Rudy for charlottes 1st(from bulls)+JJ or Rudy+2nd rounder for Taj
Good value considering you never know when Charlotte is gonna be in the lottery
Fair deals for both sides. Both teams improve (option 2).
Bat88m
It'd most likely be Charlotte's 1st + JJ
I just can’t see us giving up Taj.
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by Sir Buckets on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We all saw it coming; Now who do we get
Bulls:
Taj Gibson – I’d prefer him, but I doubt the bulls will let him go. He is an awesome role player.I’d ove to have him backing up Aldridge
James Johnson – Not nearly as productive. Worse on defense. But has a high ceiling, I’d settle for him if we could not get Taj.
Boston:
Big Baby: I know a lot of people don’t like him. But the facts are is he takes up space, has a big body & steps his game up in the playoffs where he has a lot of experience in 3 years in Boston. Puts a big body on LMA in practice.
New York:
Ronny Turiaf: Add another big body. Great weakside defender & a quality passing big man. To entice them to do it, we would need to give them JPEC & Rudy, probably some non essentials to balance the cap. I think with Przy’s recent injury status & long term look out + New York is looking to take on expiring contracts to have a shot at Carmello next year.
Toney Douglas: Solid 3PT Shooter, scrappy defender. But he adds to the PG Jam we have right now.
Silent Swagger.
I don't want Baby.
But I’ll admit he is an over performer.
In Bayless I trust.
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I like the Rudy to the Bulls for the Charlotte pick.
I don’t want JJ. He’ll be another young guard on a bloated guard roster. I’m not particularly high on him.
I think the draft pick allows us to be more creative. Whether we use the draft pick or package it to a team that wants to rebuild. I’m hoping the Blazers sign Roger Mason to replace Rudy. I think he can reproduce most of Rudy’s skills. He played in a disciplined offensive system in San Antonio.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Rudy's already been replaced
that’s kind of the point. The Blazers don’t need to acquire another player for him to fill a spot on the roster, just a decent asset
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Rudy and Dante for Anthony Randolph...
It works, and I’d take it… Don’t think the Knicks would though.
Cannibal Atheist
Plus we could call him A-dolph
which could spiral into into all sorts of fun things… The Dictator… The Führer…you get the picture.
Cannibal Atheist
by NoiseMekanik on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's start that nickname anyway.
A-dolph has a lot of potential. Do you think he can make it blossom playing with Amare?
In Bayless I trust.
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Can't see NY moving Randolph.
He was the key piece in the David Lee S&T.
by 52therim on Jul 28, 2010 12:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Randolph can't be moved for multiple players yet.
Has to be a player for player move.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Actually, Anthony Randolph can be moved in a multi-player deal immediately; that's 'cause the ...
New York Knicks were under the salary cap when the team acquired him. Yet, with that said, Randolph has tremendous trade value — while Rudy Fernandez’s is medicore at best — although he’s overhyped as a prospect.
So yeah, Randolph only gets moved in a deal by New York wherein it acquires a true superstar like, oh, Chris Paul.
I'm a little late to this party, so this has probably been said above
Thank you Jason Quick, for your diligent and hard work to bring us this breaking and surprising news. Congratulations, you’re bad at journalism.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think everyone has already envisioned next year's rotation without Rudy
I don’t see why we would want to trade him in a one-for-one deal where the new guy would only cause rotation problems or sit on the end of the bench. I am thinking Rudy will end up being packaged with someone else, hopefully for an upgrade a point guard we are all looking for.
In other exciting news,
BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE
by BlazerDavid on Jul 28, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No takers for my proposed deal to send Nate and Rudy to the Celtics for Rivers...
just checked in with the Celticsblog. I find it fascinating to read what the fans of other teams are saying. It provides a different perspective from afar on what we see here locally. They seem to value Oden A LOT (injuries and all) as well as Rudy. Funny how they don’t see turnovers as a big deal in Celtic land. There were also comments about whether the Blazers have a grudge against the Celtics for the Miles fiasco. Most seem to think that Cho won’t bring that baggage. Not surprisingly (to me, anyway) was that not one person would trade Rivers for Nate.
Here’s what one fan proposed as trade options:
“I’d consider any of these trades
Bradley for Fernandez
Lafayette, Gaffney, and Future 1st for Fernandez
Sheed and Davis for Fernandez and Przybilla
Sheed, Bradley, and future 1st for Fernandez and Przybilla
Sheed and Perk for Fernandez, Przybilla, and Cunningham"
What do you all think of any of these?
Not surprisingly (to me, anyway) was that not one person would trade Rivers for Nate.
Head coach who wins finals >>> coach who has been to semifinals once in 10 years
Fans will still second-guess his game/rotation decisions, but securing that shiny hardware buys a coach a lot of clout
(like Jack Ramsay, back in the mid-80s)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Anything to see Sheed in a Blazer uniform
again is worth it to me! CTC!
I like the Sheed/Davis Rudy/Prz deal
vomit in mouth
need a breath mint
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This is an easy one
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2etvdeb
Then we’d have
Kirk/Bay
Roy/Mathews/Bay
Bat/Mathews/Daunte
LA/MC/Daunte
Oden/MC
Kirk would play along side Roy much better than dre, and we’d get someone for Rudy. I think that Washington would do it also.
This is a really good idea
We could throw in a draft-pick.. maybe they’d like Miller as Wall’s mentor?
Regading the Heinrich deal...
I know it’s only a projection, but shouldn’t we be concerned that the trade machine predicts we’d win 8 fewer games as a result of this trade?
Trying to say...
I know it’s only a projection, but shouldn’t we be a little concerned that the trade machine predicts we’d win 8 fewer games with this trade?
backup
Last year was a bit of a strange year of Heinrich, what with playing out of position and coming off the bench. I’m not sure those numbers really mean much anyways. I do know that the Blazers offense looks much better with shooters surrounding Roy rather than playmakers. That’s why I don’t think that Dre will workout all that well this coming year either. Plus, he’s a better defender than Dre is.
I do know that the Blazers offense looks much better with shooters surrounding Roy rather than playmakers. That’s why I don’t think that Dre will workout all that well this coming year either.
The Blazers offense looked pretty good with Brandon and Andre taking turns posting up small PGs during the team’s 17-5 run in Feb-April last year
Roy doesn’t need to be running an ISO with floor-spreaders for 48 minutes a game. He’s talking about how he learned to play off the ball, I expect the Blazers to pick up right where they left off before Brandon hurt his knee, they were one of the hottest teams in the league
Acquiring Kirk Hinrich and “shooters surrounding Roy” is 2008-2009 thinking. RAMBO is the future
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Sorry about the typo...
guess I’ve been regarding the Celticsblog too much. Starting to sound like a Bostonian!
celtics fan speaking
what do you guys want !!! ive been wanting rudy F for some time but ur gm is rlly being stubborn for a cheap wing who dosent wanna play for you guys anymore lets play GM n ill start fantasy negotiations
Celtics get-Rudy F
blazers get-1st rounder,future 2nd rounder & avery bradley
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