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Blazersedge Mailbag: Rudy Fernandez Edition

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Though he's a distant second to Chris Paul, plenty of people have been asking questions about Rudy Fernandez over the last month as well.  I'm going to do the same thing that I did with yesterday's mailbag, condensing various lengthy questions into simple general ones that more or less cover them all.

Does Rudy Fernandez have a role on this team anymore?

Yes...and no.

There's no doubt in my mind Rudy could still play a significant role for the Blazers.  Right now he's the victim of an insidious phenomenon that cycles through popular perception seemingly each time Portland picks up an exciting young player.  When he played well in the Summer Olympics people vastly overrated his potential impact on the team and the league.  Folks thought he could do everything!  He was supposed to dunk on Dwight Howard every game, lead the league in shooting, run the break, revolutionize the halfcourt offense with his passing.  He rebounded!  He defended!  He sliced, he diced, he made julienne fries!  In reality Rudy does a few things extremely well.  Given the opportunity to emphasize his skills he could shine.  But he was not, and is not, capable of doing all of the things attributed to him.  Now that he's hit the near-inevitable speed bump and his career has shifted into neutral he can't do anything.  The sudden dearth of praise is just as unwarranted as the original flood of praise was. 

Rudy Fernandez is an accomplished outside shooter with good court vision and a knack for the stylish play.  He's a great teammate to have on the offensive end.  Those qualities could still prove valuable to an NBA team, even the Blazers.  Shooting never, ever goes out of style.  If Portland can't find an acceptable offer for him he's going to remain a Blazer and he's going to be encourage to produce as a Blazer in whatever role he can grab.  Having Rudy on the roster doesn't hurt this team a bit.

That said, Rudy is hoping not to be a Blazer and the Blazers are going to do everything reasonable to accommodate that wish because they weren't thrilled with his play last year either.  The Wesley Matthews signing ate a big hole in Rudy's role and minutes.  Portland is planning for him not to be here.  He'll only suit up for this team if everything falls through on the trade/buyout front.  Rudy could find a place on this team but he probably won't.

Has Rudy been misused by Coach McMillan?

That depends on your point of view.  Rudy would certainly say so, as would his agent and many of his fans.  He's not been able to show his gifts to their fullest extent.  He's been legitimately position- and system-locked though.  Beating out Brandon Roy is an unrealistic expectation.  His minutes are limited to reserve shooting guard and point guard.  He can't defend well and he doesn't have any serious penetration off of the dribble.  Those hamper his point guard possibilities.  He manned the shooting guard spot well enough but Jerryd Bayless developed more facets to his game while Rudy's game stalled, thus Bayless, at least temporarily, overtook him for the third guard position last season.  The temporary designation was removed when Fernandez fell apart at the seams, failing to produce even in his strongest areas.  Whatever claim Rudy had to being slighted evaporated with his poor performances.  His all-around game simply isn't good enough to give him time when he's not on.

To be fair, the Blazers do not play a style of offense conducive to Rudy's strengths.  Some have speculated that system should be changed.  If so, it has to be changed for a reason stronger than Rudy's needs alone.  It's easy to speculate that everyone would do better in a motion offense but we haven't seen its effects on the games of Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and the like.  The Blazers are forced to play to their strengths over Rudy's.

What are the trade prospects for Fernandez?

They're limited if he's considered in isolation.  It's not a matter of interest as much as contract.  Fernandez makes $1.25 million this year.  There aren't any $1.25 million players available with the promise and skills that Rudy brings to the table.  Everybody else on rookie scale is either beyond Rudy's capacity to net or below Portland's interest level.  That leaves Fernandez at the mercy of whatever other trades he can be thrown into.  Fortunately he could be a nice throw-in piece either because of his talent (again, shooting doesn't go out of style) or because he could easily be bought out or cut.

What is the buyout process like?

Our good friend Storyteller and I have both been going through this and it appears to be a simple matter of the Blazers and Fernandez agreeing to a buyout and a European team cutting Paul Allen a check as incentive.  The terms of the buyout are negotiable.  Portland could buy out Rudy's contract for the full amount or anything less down to zero dollars.  The Blazers would be cap-obligated for whatever that agreed-upon amount turned out to be.  From a cap standpoint, then, the damage of a buyout would range from negligible to non-existent.  With his steel-trap mind Storyteller remembered Vassilis Spanoulis who agreed to a buyout from the Spurs in 2007 in order to return to his native Greece.  His new team simply paid the Spurs $1.6 million and Spanoulis was a free man.  As far as we can ascertain there is no language in the CBA limiting the amount or terms of a buyout from a non-league team to an NBA team.

What would the Blazers take?

It's always tricky to read minds (and the wind), but the best guess is that they're looking for the same first-round pick they spent on Rudy originally in order for another NBA team to pry him away.  Any combo trade would be dependent on the other players more than Rudy himself but they'd have zero qualms about throwing him into a nice deal.  Your guess is as good as mine when it comes to a buyout.  Would the $3 million that Paul Allen spent to get Rudy originally suffice?  Portland has been loathe to let go of assets in recent years.  Simply resetting to zero might make it seem like they made a mistake.  Ideally they'd like to gain ground in any exchange involving Fernandez.  Reality may set in about the likelihood of that happening.  If Fernandez isn't moved by the start of the season it's quite possible that a Euro team could reach Paul Allen's (presumably shrinking) magic number.  But the Blazers will almost certainly follow their pattern of holding firm until they perceive the deal to be right.  There's no way they'll give him away when all they have to endure is a million and change plus a few tantrums to keep him.

Can Rudy force a move?

Not a chance.  He has less leverage than a cricket with a toothpick.  The only recourse he has is holding out...simply not showing up.  But if he were to do that the Blazers would be within their rights to suspend him without pay.  His already-low salary has been eaten away by the buyout he's paying to DKV Joventut, which originally ran through 2011.  It's unlikely that an extended run without money would look appealing to him under these circumstances.  The Blazers have him over a barrel in every way possible.  They don't even need him that badly on the court right now.  Perhaps you can see the reason he (possibly at the behest of his management team) has been screaming so loudly in the press overseas.  A:  It's the only recourse he has.  B:  Things have not gone well for Mr. Fernandez and he's probably cursing the heavens every night that he's stuck in this position when he could have been a major, well-paid star in Europe.  You'd scream too if you were in his position.

Will Rudy be moved?

I'd say there's a 90% chance that Fernandez is moved before the trade deadline.  The team will try to make it happen before the summer is out but they may get stonewalled.  The situation won't be pleasant if he returns, though.  Trades are going to look even more attractive after a couple months of him in the locker room and his agent blitzing the press about his indentured servitude.

More questions and answers ahead.  You can submit yours to blazersub@yahoo.com.  Please mark them "Mailbag" so I know what's up.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)  

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the griping is my problem

not fernandez’s play. I think he is a fun exciting player to watch and worth having, but not if he is going to mope around and complain.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 1:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I would gripe too

Not necessarily that anyone else besides Rudy is at fault, but that’s hard to see when you’re young and things really aren’t spinning your way. He’s had a rough time of it.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 26, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, its easy to forget the gamble these euro stars take coming over here

It has to be extremely frustrating cause he could be making so much more. The entire point of coming over and taking that huge rookie pay cut is to earn a huge nba contract and the way things are going for him he isnt getting closer to that so its just looking more and more like a terrible decision that cost him a lot of money.. Heres to hoping 10/11 treats Rudy better than last year, However it works out…

"At 49, I can say something I never would have said when I was a player, that I'm a better person because of my failures and disgraces." -- Bill Walton

by MischiefPortland on Jul 26, 2010 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

true

and I have defended him for it throughout the season. He probably should have got the starting nod when Roy went down with the hammy injury and I get why he is frustrated. But the ongoing comments and his agent have taken it beyond understandable frustration. I know it is the nature of the beast, they see it as the only way out I suppose. I still don’t like it!

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

REmember...

the reports we get from the media can bear little resemblance to reality. As sports consumers, there is only the appearance that we know what is going on.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough

although while reports can be overblown, usually where there is smoke there is fire. Sometimes the story can be extinguished, sometimes it flares up then blows out and sometimes it simmers on for far too long. Rudy falls into the simmering fal too long camp at this point.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't mind his moping really.

at least he’s being honest about it and has never blatantly blamed anyone outside of mcmillan not giving him enough playing time and even so he more so blames the offensive system rather than mcmillan himself (at least from what i’ve gathered). he’s not detrimental in the locker room as a person either from how other players are reacting.

for moping and complaining, see kobe bryant from a few years ago.

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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 26, 2010 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree, let him mope his ass back to Europe.

when his jumpshots is not falling, he is pretty useless on the court. Can’t defend or create offense for anyone else and that’s why he’s always in Nate’s doghouse. I don’t know who was worse….him or Sergio. Both players are no were near as good as they think they are.

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by lightskin350 on Jul 26, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

photo caption is hilarious though

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Min - 30
Reb - 10

by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 26, 2010 1:17 AM PDT reply actions  

So glad you commented on that

cause I missed it at first and it was worth a good laugh…

"At 49, I can say something I never would have said when I was a player, that I'm a better person because of my failures and disgraces." -- Bill Walton

by MischiefPortland on Jul 26, 2010 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by pualo on Jul 26, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the breakdown, Dave.

I would be perfectly happy if Rudy were to receive a buyout from a European club and we didn’t get a tangible asset back in return. I want players who want to be Portland Trail Blazers and who are willing to sacrifice for the good of the team. Rudy corresponds to neither qualifier.

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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 26, 2010 1:28 AM PDT reply actions  

defending LMA and Batum wore me out

Rudy is on his own.

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by blacknoiseNW on Jul 26, 2010 1:29 AM PDT reply actions  

bye bye Rudy

you came, you saw, you whined.

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by thankyouforblaze on Jul 26, 2010 1:31 AM PDT reply actions  

"Portland has been loathe to let go of assets in recent years"

I somewhat disagree. Portland seemed to have no problems to let players like James Jones and Channing Frye go away for nothing but the additional roster spot in free agency, and you might also add Raef Lafrentz here whose expiring contract went towards additional cap space and salary savings instead of into a trade.

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2010 1:32 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention Juwan.

Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.

by Bib Fortuna on Jul 26, 2010 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

None of those were really "Portland" assets though

The Blazers seem to spend a long time with their young guys.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 26, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

like jermaine o'neal

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by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 26, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing that makes returning to Europe THIS summer less likely is that the European teams are under much more time pressure to finalize their rosters than any NBA team is

Seasons start earlier, and it makes if big difference if you can plan with Rudy as your shooting guard or “insert national team player or undrafted college player here”. But at some point, you need to finish your plans and decide to go without him.

The section about the buyouts should be correct. A European team wouldn’t be bound by the 500k rule that NBA teams can offer towards a buyout of an player playing overseas. That might be called unfair and might be changed with the next CBA, but I don’t expect it to change much since that would present a moral hazard. Maybe $1 million, but that’s about it. So in theory, a rich team like Madrid or Barcelona (a bit unlikely, they have Navarro on his position and he costs about 5 million per year) that really really wants to have Rudy could offer the Blazers $3 million they paid for the pick plus another $2-3 million to offset Rudy’s remaining salary – with the Blazers agreeing to not pick up the last year of his rookie scale deal for 2011-12 and then just waiving him/buying him out.

I have one hope for Rudy’s (trade) value and the leverage both sides could have: The upcoming world championships, were he will be featured by Spain in a major way on a team that returns 8 Olympic players (unlike the US) and is bound to advance pretty far. If he has another tournament like the last two, that could make a few people forget about the bad end of the last season by showcasing his potential again. And if you want to hear an optimistic Rudy, his statements about his expectations for the world championships sound much different than those about his future in Portland (“I’m under contract”), going along the lines of “we don’t want to win a medal, we want gold” and “we like the pressure of being the favorites”.

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2010 1:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Is there time after the Worlds for Rudy to join a European team?

I would prefer a trade to a NBA team for the Blazer’s sake, but I agree that Fernandez playing well in the Worlds is the best opportunity for him and Portland to part ways on the best-possible terms for both sides

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fiba World Championships end September 12

Euroleague qualifying rounds of newly promoted teams begin September 21, regular season (star teams already qualified) begins October 20.

The Spanish ACB season begins October 2, with the Supercopa tournament already starting September 24.

Not that it’s likely Rudy would want to play outside of Spain:
French league begins October 9. German league begins October 1. Italian Serie A begins October 10. And so on.

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, a buyout could occur between Sept 12-20, if there's strong interest

or an NBA trade could occur anytime between Sept 12 and training camp

So I don’t think discussing Rudy’s future is very important, until after the Worlds. He could be included in a Blazer deal at any time, of course, but Portland should be patient until after the tournament, and Fernandez should already be motivated to play well in Aug/Sept for his team’s (and career’s) sake

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

So much for this idea

If Rudy’s camp makes a drama-packed announcement in the next 24-48 hours

Why can’t things ever be “nice and easy” for the Blazers? It seems like every delivery requires 12 hours of labor pains (and reconstructive surgery, afterwards)

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have rookie Rudy back

There’s always room for a guy like that. I don’t see him getting bought out. I think he’ll go as part of a trade package or just get stuck on the bench. I do want to reserve a small chance that he gets his confidence back and plays well in a backup roll. I don’t think that’ll satisfy him as it’ll still be a 24ish minute role, but playing well is superior to sulking for all parties involved.

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by Magnum on Jul 26, 2010 1:48 AM PDT reply actions  

My speculation

IMO, it was not the lack of confidence that made him blotch the Play-offs; IMO, he was just being rebellious. Those 3 pters he made at the end of the last game in the play-offs was enough proof for me to say, see, I can make shots if I want to. Defiance is one thing but letting your team down because of it is another. Of course, there is a lot of me first players in the NBA, but very few cuts off their nose to spite their face.

Rudy spent much of the first half of the season in pain; then he had surgery and that took a lot of time to recover from. Then of course going without playing that long messes up his timing, plus his conditioning, plus his shooting ability is hampered. That is all recognizable to me, and that would be significant reason’s for JBay to pass him temporarily, but to out and out quit doing what you do good in defiance is not the smartest move in the world for the team or for Rudy.

That in itself is reason to trade him or park his butt on the bench as Paul Allen has stated that he is not going to give him away and a buy out is out of the question at this time. Ultimatums are hard to endure, either you take what we give you are we will find someone that will. That is what Portland did with getting Matthews. When this is all over it will be Rudy that is hurt the most, and that is sad because he is a great player if he had just been patient enough to give himself time to recover from injury.

hg

by BBK on Jul 26, 2010 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This!

I kind of wish I was one of those video guys who records things and edits mixes, because I think the evidence of Rudy’s full on abandonment of the team was present all through the Suns series. I’ve spoken before about flaming-bag-hot-potato between Fernandez and Rudy… I think it was game 2 or 3? But it was heartbreaking watching Rudy pass up a ton of open 3s. Then, I think it was game 5, I remember Rudy finally deciding to light things up and the team had basically blown him off at that point. They were playing like there were only four guys on the court. At one point Rudy was wide, wide open at the angle (what does that tell you about the Suns feelings about Rudy?) and he called for the ball and they didn’t send it to him and you could just see he was throwing his arms up in anguish like, “Dudes, I’m right here” but it was already too late at that point. I thought Roy was very diplomatic in a recent video interview by O-Live regarding Rudy, but I can’t help but think that the team is more done with him than he is with us at this point.

Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'. -- Dave

by conspirator5 on Jul 26, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

well if this is the case dude needs to grow up

there is merit in this.

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Rudy's injury set him back more than anything. He was a different players his rookie season.

Last season, he had no confidence. It’s like he didn’t realize that this is the NBA, and it’s nonstop work.

Bayless improved, and all you heard about was how much Bayless was working out every day. Rudy? I saw pictures of him at his basketball camp. I think maybe Rudy is realizing the NBA is just too hard.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 26, 2010 2:09 AM PDT reply actions  

A Rudy resurrection would make a great Bedge story.

I´ll take it with humor until that happens, or he is traded.

From traitor to hero, wow, what a film it would be too!

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by amlmart1 on Jul 26, 2010 3:29 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

IMO, it is too late.

The Blazers has already moved on with getting Matthews, drafting Williams, Johnson and Babbit. If they can trade him for a future draft pick or package him with a trade for another back-up 4 to get both Mills and Johnson on the roster is in the cards, I think the Blazers have just been waiting for the return of Cho to make a trade of some sort official.

hg

by BBK on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Question for Dave...

Inre: “less leverage than a cricket with a toothpick.”

Do you sit around thinking up these expressions or did you have a grandfather like mine who seemed to have an endless supply of them? I love your way with words, and you never fail to make me chuckle.

by iCollective on Jul 26, 2010 4:53 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

yes, I come here for the Blazers info

But I stay for the quality writing of Dave & Ben…funny and inspired…

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by Eat Politicians on Jul 26, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably just a matter of time

Someone pointed out (not sure who) that Rudy has a better trade value because of the possibility of a buyout. If someone is looking to dump salary, they could trade for Rudy and then take a buyout. They might get a few bucks back, and their salary cap number would drop, since his contract would be gone.

That value may not be there midseason. So he might have more value to another team right now than he would have later. If a team like, oh, New Orleans could come up with a player we wanted, and they wanted to shed salary, we could include Rudy as part of the salary match, even if they didn’t want him, he could agree a buyout that pays N.O. $500K or something, and his salary would just be gone.

Midseason? If he is too late to join a European team, he probably won’t want to pay anything to be released, and he may just stick it out to collect his paycheck — probably would need the money.

So he might have higher trade value now than later, in financial terms. Of course, if he comes back healthy and starts bombing in 3s and making things happen defensively, we could see his value skyrocket.

Steve Blake must have been really, really angry that we traded him.
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by jscot on Jul 26, 2010 6:04 AM PDT reply actions  

How much is saving face and getting value worth?

If he’s going to be an attitude problem/locker-room distraction, might it be better to just free the roster spot with a below-value trade or buyout and see if Patty Mills can be a real NBA PG?

Of course that sets a precedent of “cause trouble, get your way out of town” so I wonder where/how the team draws that line, especially with the new sheriff in town.

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by BmoreBlazer on Jul 26, 2010 6:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Maybe I’m in denial, but I refuse to believe that Rudy will be gone! So I’m going to hold onto hope as long as he’s around!

by jigglyai on Jul 26, 2010 6:12 AM PDT reply actions  

At the defensive end, Rudy used to compensate for his shortcomings with energy

He was all over the place—constant motion. He may not have been able to stop anyone one on one, but he got his hands on a lot of balls. That frenetic motion pretty much ground to a halt last season. It was like the injuries, Nate’s iso offensive system, and the competition for playing time just took the heart out of Rudy.

There’s no excuse for that. Still, it was sad to see, because Rudy’s a better player than we saw last season—especially in the playoffs, when he flat quit.

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by hurryup09 on Jul 26, 2010 6:32 AM PDT reply actions  

A very fair assessment

I still believe Rudy can be a serviceable NBA player. As Dave points out, he has good court vision, is a good shooter. He moves well without the ball and is a good passer. Defensively, he is not very good.

Portland’s system and roster are ill-suited to Rudy’s talents. He needs to be in an up-tempo offense with lots of motion, not an iso-heavy set in which one guy drives the basket and kicks to a catch and shoot player on the perimeter.

I agree that Portland’s offense style needs to change, but not just for Rudy’s sake. We’ve seen two years in a row, now, that our offense bogs down in the playoffs because it is too predictable. We’ve also seen our primary weapon — Brandon Roy — get banged up two years in a row. A more uptempo, motion oriented offense will help address both of those issues, and create opportunities for other players, as well.

by hercher on Jul 26, 2010 6:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Rudy left when Sergio left

Let’s be honest. I agree with Tom that Rudy needs a PG who’s going to spoon feed him.

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by leeroyjenkins on Jul 26, 2010 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

no, according to amlmart1

the beginning of the end was when Roy tweaked his hammy and Bayless started at SG. Rudy’s family left PDX in anger and even though he was healthy, Fernandez “lost his confidence”

translation: he tanked

Actually Fernandez wasn’t happy with his role even when Sergio was part of the team, so Rodriguez being dealt didn’t make a huge difference, other than #5 didn’t get the ball behind the 3-point line every time down the court and look smooth dunking “in your face” as often

Blazers after Spaniards >>> Blazers with Spanish guards

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fernandez

Fernandez has so little trade value that the Blazers would appear to me to be just as well off just letting him go.

Except for one thing- as a throw-in for a major trade he could have some marginal value, so it seems like they are liable to hang onto him until such a deal happens or until the trade deadline.

by lsjogren on Jul 26, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

“How much is saving face and getting value worth? "

I think if “saving face” is a factor then Blazer mgt needs to get real. Some draft picks pan out, others don’t. It is absurd to expect that every draft pick is going to work out to the benefit of the team. If people harbor unrealistic expectations that every draft pick is going to turn out to be a winner, then the problem to be solved is to educate them to recognize that such expectations are unfounded.

There’s nothing wrong with jettisoning jetsam.

by lsjogren on Jul 26, 2010 7:52 AM PDT reply actions  

maybe "saving face" was the wront term

I was more interested in the degree to which they feel they must get perceived “value” in trades. The guy seems to be able to play at least a little in the NBA so to give him up for (next to) nothing is coming up on the wrong end of the value equation. At what point do they say they don’t care about value, just get rid of the guy for the roster spot? There is also setting the precedent with the players who become malcontents that they will not simply cave to demands when someone acts up. How important is that?

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by BmoreBlazer on Jul 26, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

There is also setting the precedent with the players who become malcontents that they will not simply cave to demands when someone acts up. How important is that?

I think it’s extremely important. The Blazer shouldn’t allow players or their agents to dictate terms, it sets a bad precedent and creates a slippery slope

rec

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

We take a break from this basketball game

for volleyball practice

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by Eat Politicians on Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

easiest. mailbag. ever
Does Rudy Fernandez have a role on this team anymore?

as the whiney spaniard, yes. Any other role? no.

Has Rudy been misused by Coach McMillan?

he checked out long b4 anything McMillan could have done to increase his role .. so it doesnt matter

What would the Blazers take?

a bag of chips

Can Rudy force a move?

lol

Will Rudy be moved?

duh

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't know on the Nate thing

I think he checked out when bayless, the back up point guard, got Roy’s starts when Roy went out with the Hammy.

Plus dealing with recovery from back surgery is not as simple as all that.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

my point exactly

whatever nate did it wouldn’t have mattered because rudy had already made the decision to check out.

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

um

if you are the backup 2 and the 2 goes down but the 1 gets the minutes you would probably get discouraged and check out too. You already know you are doomed to limited minutes playing behind Roy, but when he is out with injury you still don’t pick up those minutes?

That caused Rudy to check out.

It is easy to look at what happened the rest of the season and say Nate made the right choice there, but Nate is the one that sent the message to Rudy loud and clear I DO NOT TRUST YOU and YOUR FUTURE IS LIMITED HERE.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

So you are saying that Nate caused rudy to check out ?

yeah right.

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you do not think coaches decisions effect players attitudes?

Come on seriously. If it were you and you were listed as Roy’s backup and somebody else took that time that would not upset you?

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

nope

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

so coaches are now responsible for making sure everyones egos get massaged?

its mcmillians job to decide how the team works, its the players job to execute mcmillians game plans,

rudy doesnt get a pass because his feelings are hurt, he gets a FAIL because he is failing to do his job and is becoming hte whiney little s-head.

wahhhh i make money to play a sport, wahhh i make money to sit on a bench, wahhhhhhhhh

coach mcmillian didnt tell me how good i did
wahhhhhh

grow up fernandez, you can only blame yourself. Things would be so different if you came out and played every night and didnt go into the media and complain about this and that

if this were hte military youd be court martialed (or however you spell it)

by bhrandon on Jul 26, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

amlmart1, our Spanish friend

wrote immediately at the time that Bayless was given the starting SG job that Rudy’s family and girlfriend and family left PDX and returned to Spain, because they were mad about the slight to their matador’s honor

It wasn’t really Nate’s fault, he’s the coach and he did what he though was right for the team (which was reeling at the time) but “campo Fernandez” reacted like jilted lovers and the relationship has never been the same

Then (according to Jason Filippi) KP had a deal in place for Rudy at the Feb deadline and Paul Allen didn’t want to part with Fernandez

So, here we sit in July with a hornets nest about to explode. Wonderful. Just when the waters were starting to look somewhat calm, again

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Rudy was off with the injury

He then had surgery and all that takes time. Plus his conditioning was bad from being out of the game so long and his timing and shooting was off for the same reason. Sure, JBay passed him up temporarily until Rudy checked out. He was to hurt to play the first half of the season and to mad to play the rest of the season.

hg

by BBK on Jul 26, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you....

Roy has been OVERused, while Rudy, Bayless, Dre, LMA, anybody who favors a more fluid offense has been underutilized…

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kaleb Canales is pretty happy with his usage

So no, not everybody

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Canales would be the only one though

by King Mar on Jul 26, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice thing about Rudy in this situation is...

He definitely doesn’t want to be made out to look like ‘the bad guy’ if he can certainly help it. If Portland can’t find a way to move him that’s mutually beneficial – they can probably play him/ride the bench right up until the trade deadline (or even the entire season) and get away with it with very little drama.

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by Net Ranger on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

get away with it with very little drama.

not if Jason Quick has anything to do with it

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

HA!!!

Too too true.

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by 500dogs on Jul 26, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol yeah you got me on that one two4

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by Net Ranger on Jul 26, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy actually is a pretty avg defender - not a terrible defender

According to Basketball reference and 82games.com the team played overall better defense when rudy was on the floor, and his defensive rating is actually that of an avg NBA defender.
I cant find any good defensive stats which say rudy was a terrible defender they all rate him avg to slightly above average. (even last season)

by tjb2397 on Jul 26, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

team defense stats are not the best way to

define rudy as a good defender, mostly because there is no way to use those to prove causation , when really there may only be (and emphasis on may) be a correlation. There may be none, considering who he was playing with and what teams and 2nd units he was playing against.

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

The eyeball test...

is all I need to say with good confidence that Rudy is an excellent team defender, when motivated, with very active hands, feet, and eyes, and great BBIQ that gets him into the right spot before he needs to be there… He gets a ton of steals…

Now, the eyeballs also tell me that Rudy struggles greatly trying to stay with his man… If he had a good coach, they would’ve found the defensive scheme (zone?) that would utilize Rudy’s talents and hide his shortcomings… But we have Nate, so…

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate's system is what the Blazers are supposed to be dedicated to.

I’m not going to advocate for his system… but he is the coach. Very few coaches overhaul their systems to fit their players (especially bench players like Rudy). The players are expected to buy into the coaches’ system, and management is supposed to bring in players that fit it. If they see Nate as the right coach for the team then they will get players that fit his system.
Rudy could buy into it, commit to playing the way Nate wants him to, and then leave when his contract is up. Thats what a real professional would do. Looks like that is what Chris Paul is going to do in New Orleans.

by Ezrap97 on Jul 26, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

management is supposed to bring in players that fit it. If they see Nate as the right coach for the team then they will get players that fit his system

Hopefully Cho will do a better job of this than his predecessor. I’m not sure that Babbitt is a Nate-kind of player, at least not on the defensive end. But Luke can shoot treys from the corner, so McMillian will stick him in there, eventually

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now, the eyeballs also tell me that Rudy struggles greatly trying to stay with his man

J-Rich and Barbosa abused Fernandez in the Sun’s series. I don’ need no stinkin’ stats to tell me he’s a below-average wing defender

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granted...

on the wing, isolated against those two guys, yea, Rudy is below average. Just not quick or strong enough.

But he was amazing picking passes out of the lane when he was able to play in a zone and roam.

So – you don’t put him in position to fail (guarding faster stronger guys on the wing), you put him in position to succeed (in a zone)…

And even if we can agree on, overall, a middle of the road defender, he still has the potential to be an incredible scorer and play maker in this league.

I’ve seen it. Some of the best passes I’ve ever seen came from Rudy his rookie year. When he was on from outside, you just knew his next shot was in… Where did that player go?

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't offer you an unbiased commentary

because while I saw the same fancy plays as you and nicknamed Sergio and Rudy the “SpanIsh Air-mada” I never had a feeling that Rudy would be a long-term Blazer. Much of this premonition dates back to the Drexler-Petrovic days and those parallels to Roy-Rudy were just too strong. When others said that “they can play together” I resisted, because in the NBA “you are who you can defend” position-wise, and it’s clear that both of these players are and will always be shooting guards (and it’s even more clear that Brandon is the superior SG)

So I suggested that Rudy should be dealt last summer to prevent this “trade demand scenario” from ever coming to pass, but the train wreck I saw in advance is now upon us. It’s a shame, but there’s no accounting for taste and Paul Allen loved him some Rudy, to the point that he held onto #5 past his sell-by date. KP no longer had the gravitas to make PA see the light re: Fernandez before it was too late, and Nate was too busy sticking his fingers in the dike last winter to have much sympathy for Rudy’s sensitive side.

The bottom line for me is that I want mentally-tough Blazers, because this trait (as much as talent and skill) separates the men from the boys in the playoffs. Fernandez showed the opposite of mental-toughness last spring, and so I’ll be glad to be rid of him. Not because he can make pretty passes and outside shots, but because he’s not a gamer or a grinder, and (if you remember game 7 in the finals) that’s the kind of gritty behavior that brings home the hardware in June

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by two4larue on Jul 27, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Team defensive stats actually do a pretty good job

Defensive rating, as well as a persons +/- for defense are pretty good at capturing the effectiveness of peoples defense.
They have always marked such defensive stalwarts as Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut, Thabo, Shane Battier, Greg Oden, Marcus Camby, Joel Przy. Etc etc etc. As excellent defenders, and always show them as being a boost to a teams defense. So although they have some interesting error (although offensive stats are similarly prone to error) they manage to successfully rate these guys as good defenders. Overall im going to trust these stats compared to nothing but an “eyeball” test which is massively prone to personal bias error, and it relies on us interpreting what we THINK good defense should look like (even though there are a remarkable amount of ways to stop another team from scoring) instead of actually looking at the ONLY defensive result which matters which is that the opponent scores less points.
BTW defensive rating and +/- actually have causal relationships built into the euqations.

by tjb2397 on Jul 26, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

This article, like so many others greatly exaggerates the level Rudy has in Europe. “Major star”…..no, he would not be a “major star” in Europe. It seems that Blazers fans just cannot grasp that Rudy was not considered one of the best players in Europe before he came to the NBA.

Kevin Pritchard lied to you and you still don’t seem to be able to grasp that.

by Ming on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Clean yourself up, big guy....the condescension is dripping all over your keyboard.

Euroleague Rising Star in 2006. FIBA Europe Young Player of the Year in 2006. Numerous tournament MVP and tournament final MVP awards. All-Tournament team for Spain in 2009 when they won Eurobasket. I watched his entire 2007-2008 season with Joventut and he KILLED it. Regularly the best player on the court in the second-best league in the world. You’re flat wrong and noxious about it to boot.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

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by BlazersOrBust on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

noxious

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

My apologies if you are offended.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Jul 26, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just like the word

say it out loud repeatedly…cool word…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL… I think you are thinking of the flashy lawyer Billy Flynn in “Chicago,” played in the movie by Richard Gere. So ya think Jonny Flynn can “give ’em the old Razzle-Dazzle”?

by RaniPaints on Aug 16, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he meant obnoxious

the scary thing is…Rudy was “the best” Euro in 2008 and their national teams are still tough to beat in FIBA competitions with a NBA superstar-studded roster

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Rudy's still here at the end of the season, I will cringe.

I can only imagine what’ll be running through his mind as he plays 10 minutes or less a game, watching Wes Matthews nom nom his playing time.

by thetsaiguy on Jul 26, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I too blame McMillin...

for for not changing the teams entire scheme and their playing to suit one player and not one of the five starters at that.

A good coach always changes his offensive and defensive plays to suit the abilities and preferences of a bench player. (sarcasm font)

I am no longer "young" enough to know everything!

by blazerfrog on Jul 26, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I blame spelling

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
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by Eat Politicians on Jul 26, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Sigh) Brainwashing is a terrible thing...

And you’ve got it completely backwards…

Despite having an incredible collection of young, athletic talent. and tremendous depth, Nate has continued to ignore that reality and instead “has the teams entire scheme and playing to suit one player” – Brandon Roy.

Who likes the slow down style? BRoy. Anybody else? I guess Blake and Trout did… Anybody else?? Not seeing a lot of hands raised…

Who would do better under a faster paced, more movement oriented offense? NOT Brandon Roy. Who would? LMA, Dre, Rudy, Bayless, Batum, Dante, hell we even had Camby lead the break last year…

So yeah, the coach has devised an entire scheme around one player (Roy, not Rudy), to the detriment of the rest of the squad… Yeah, that’s good quality coaching there…

smh…

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Sigh)

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

I am no longer "young" enough to know everything!

by blazerfrog on Jul 26, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

This I can agree with.

Nate’s system isn’t the greatest offensively. But with Roy and Oden it should work while leaving players with plenty of energy to get after it defensively. If the players buy into his system, however flawed it may be, we will have a very successful season.

by Ezrap97 on Jul 26, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like our style

limit turnovers, score efficiently, control the glass. Pretty much solid tenets of basketball…that don’t work out as well when injuries ravage your team.

And last I checked, BRoy is our alpha dog, so Nate is doing exactly what he should by building our system around him. Then again I’m responding to someone who thinks Rudy should be the focal point of our offensive and defensive strategies…and we’re the “brainwashed” ones…

smh

by Billy Hoyle on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Where did I ever say that...

Rudy should be focal point of our offensive and defensive strategies??

I believe that the system should be built around the players for the simple reason that one coach is a lot easier to replace than 12 players.

If you disagree that KP assembled a young, deep, athletic squad that is built for a fast paced game, then fine… but I think you’re on shaky ground there…

Bottom line: Nate is not getting the most out of our young, athletic, deep and talented roster, and this has been true for at least the last 2-3 years, when the young legs were being acquired. I don’t believe Nate should get a pass because of all of the injuries last year; instead, I think it gave him one more year to waste the talents of our greyhounds in Nate’s “turtle” offense…

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he had a good coach, they would’ve found the defensive scheme (zone?) that would utilize Rudy’s talents and hide his shortcomings
So yeah, the coach has devised an entire scheme around one player (Roy, not Rudy), to the detriment of the rest of the squad

by Billy Hoyle on Jul 26, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, lemme 'splain...

So yeah, the coach has devised an entire scheme around one player (Roy, not Rudy), to the detriment of the rest of the squad

My statement was coming after the poster who said “Nate shouldn’t build his offense around one player” (Rudy). My post could more clearly have stated my belief that ‘Nate has devised his offense around Roy, to the detriment of the rest of the squad’.

If he had a good coach, they would’ve found the defensive scheme (zone?) that would utilize Rudy’s talents and hide his shortcomings

Yes, Nate played zone fairly often the last few years, with Dre, Roy, Bayless.Rudy (and before them Blake) none of them great defenders, and the team played a fair amount of special defenses to hide players. Rudy played well when he could float in the lane and deflect balls, not well when he was isolated. I just thought the defensive scheme isolated Rudy too often.

But hey, I know a lot of this is on Rudy, too, which is why he’s on his way out of here, and Nate just hand-picked his coaching staff for another run.

I’m just hoping Nate’s new coaches get the Sarge to release te reins just a bit, and get this team moving on both offense and defense…

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just hoping Nate’s new coaches get the Sarge to release the reins just a bit, and get this team moving on both offense and defense…

Ditto. Ociepka is supposedly an expert re: the PnR, and Nate will listen to Bernie (a lot more than he would to Demo and Monty) if Bickerstaff tells him to try something different

Roy is a big part of this hoped-for change, as well. Brandon has lost weight and he said he’s planning to play off the ball and run more (interview from Vegas) We’ll see how that plays out, but remember McMillian has implored his troops to run (when it’s there) and score early in the shot clock. So maybe with improved team defense they’ll finally pick up the pace.

Matthews was a “one-man fast break” for Utah in some of the highlight videos I saw, as well

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

build the system around Roy sure

but do not ignore the rest of the teams skillset in the process…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 26, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, that's prolly a very good middle ground...

I don’t think any one player should ever be the focus of any offense.
And yes, I think Nate ignored some of our strengths in past seasons.

If you make 1 player the focus (of not just one play, but most of the ofense) that’s just too much pressure, too easy to guard, and mentally weakens your team because everybody else has to think ‘wait, can I shoot or is BRoy open?’. Roy is a great clutch shooter. So, OK, you practice the 1:4 iso and use it for the last posession of each quarter. I get that. But not the whole fourth quarter!

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

grass is always greener

as soon as we went all offense youd scream about defense, if we had a mix youd say we need more of X and less of Y, and if we had more of X and less of Y youd say we need more of Y and less of X…

let me guess, you hate the rain and winter, and hope for the summer and sun, but right now you are complaining about how hot it is, and how bright the sun is, and wondering why it isnt cooler?

am I close? come on, be honest?!?

by bhrandon on Jul 26, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, sorry, not me,...

I’ve been pretty consistent in advocating what I know (from three decades of NBA observation) wins championships: solid defense, and easy baskets out of transition.

With GO and Camby (and Pryz, maybe) patrolling the defensive boards, we have the first piece of the puzzle to a successful playoff team: control the boards, and you can control the pace.

A quick outlet to Dre, and LMA, Rudy, Batum, Dante filling the wings would get us a lot of easy baskets. I am NOT advocating the Pheonix or Don Nelson run run run and turn it over a lot offense… I’m advocating DEFENSE first, and then, when you make a stop, get out and run and put pressure on the opposition D. If nothing is there, THEN give it to BRoy and see what he can create.

And yes, I do hate the rain and winter, but I grew up in Boston, and at least here you don’t have to shovel rain… I’m not complaining at all about the heat…

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg Oden is frantically waving his hand

Slow and steady wins the playoff series. Maybe you should become a Sun’s fan for the duration of the McMillian era? (If all goes not-so-well next April maybe that may not be for much longer…)

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we should give him the ball! (Oden could also thrive in the up-tempo)

1) Fastbreak begins with a dominant defensive rebounder. If that’s Greg’s #1 job, to rebound the defensive glass and ignite the break, I think he can average teens of rebounds per game.
2) After rebounding, Greg is still quick enough to beat his man downcourt enough times to get a few baskets on the secondary break, and also pick up offensive rebounds for easy putback dunks off of missed threes.

(If I’m Buck Williams, I’m telling Greg – ‘your job is just to do as many of these things as you can each possession: defensive rebound – outlet to the wing – haul ass to their 3 pt line – set a pick, roll – look! – post up – shoot – rebound – then haul ass to our glass.. Repeat until you drop.’)

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I'd like to think that Greg could beat his man down the floor

I just remember when he worked out with team USA last summer, there was a video where the camera follow every move that Oden made. GO would get the rebound and outlet the ball just fine, but then he wouldn’t advance pass halfcourt because he teammates were running like march hares down to score at the other end

Greg would be more of a threat on the “secondary” fast break (I’d say “third-dary” but that’s not a word…)

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

for for not changing the teams entire scheme and their playing to suit one player

Actually, Nate did create an uptempo 2nd unit and overplayed Roy at the SF, all for Paul’s love of Rudy

I’m pretty sure McMillian had to see the chiropractor a lot during the last 2 years, because he was bending over backwards to accomodate Fernandez…and still the coach still gets no love

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by two4larue on Jul 26, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look, I hear ya...

I thnk Nate’s a good guy, and a good developmental coach. He has held the ship steady through some rough waters.

But I just want to see an offense that can get us a trophy. I do not think Nate has used his talented roster as effectively as he could have. I do think his offense could use a little ball movement and maybe more player movement than one guy running around a bunch of weak statue picks… (ooh ooh, I know who’s gonna get the ball next…)

by Visionary2 on Jul 26, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey, we could trade Rudy for Wesley Matthews!

They make about the same!

Oh, wait….

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1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3

by Eat Politicians on Jul 26, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

The funny thing is

most of us would have done that before Matthews came to the Blazers.

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by jamon51 on Jul 26, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granted, Rudy was hurt this year, and the decision to start Jerryd at the 2 when

Roy went down was a vote of no confidence, but he had his chance to put up in the playoffs and he tanked. The Suns were hiding Nash on him on defense and killing him on offense. Lots of Blazers (Webster, Bayless, Dre) have had problems with the coaching decisions and system, but they did one or both of the following: (1) played through it when given the opportunity, (2) kept their mouths shut for the good of the team. Rudy’s done neither. He’s a NBA caliber player, and I think he could be a solid starter in the right system, but it’s not happening here. Unfortunately, he has the trade value of spoiled milk right now, so unless he kills in the worlds or is part of a larger deal, he’s staying

James, Wade, and Bosh = the Nazgul. Once they were great kings, until their greed got the best of them in their lust for the ring.

by blazeraddict on Jul 26, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

What happened to Kevin Seraphin?

I can’t seem to find him on ESPN’s Trade Machine or team lists. Did Washington stash him? I seem to remember him having some time left on his contract over there, is he going to play it out?

I ask because I’d move Rudy for Seraphin in a heartbeat.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Valuable how?

Yes, Rudy has much more experience but as far as value to the Trail Blazers, I’d prefer to have a project PF with a possible upside of Marcus Camby than a redundant SG that doesn’t want to play here.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 26, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Rudy is a NBA caliber athlete and shooter,

but with Nate that’s not what gets it done. You must go hard all the time and commit yourself to playing defense unless you are Brandon or LaMarcus. Rudy did this his rookie season and everyone loved him for it. Even when his defense was suspect he gave effort. I feel that’s what was missing last year, effort. Rudy didn’t go hard, especially in the playoffs. Maybe it was the bad back, maybe rust, maybe conditioning, maybe attitude, who knows. Whatever the case his effort wasn’t consistently there. That’s why Jerryd beat him out. Not because Jerryd was more skilled, but because he gave it everything he had every time he was on the court.
I hope Rudy stays with the team and brings it every game, but I’m not counting on it.

by BBallBrent on Jul 26, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

He would look great on the Warriors

They play run-n-gun and need help on the wing. Ask for Branden Wright.

by breaker on Jul 27, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

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