Oden Trade = Crazy Talk

by mccoy on Jul 22, 2010 8:51 PM PDT

Please, stop it with the trading Oden talk. When Oden is playing, he is dominant. Look at any of your favorite stats, be it Adj +/-, PER, ORating, DRating, etc... And this is basically as a rookie. You cannot trade that away - even for Chris Paul.

Think about it like this. The difference between Chris Paul and Andre Miller is not as large (and i would say it is not that close) as the difference between Oden and Okafor. And people want to add Batum and half our roster on top of it all. I don't get it. That is almost a playoff team we would be trading.

Oh, and while Paul gets a lot of steals, other than that his defense is not that great.

I am sure we could get much better value going after other players (Devin Harris, Iggy etc...) and maybe be able to dump LMA at the same time.

That is all.

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Nobody wants him

and we don’t want to trade him.
So why even mention it?

I'm gonna be the only A-hole that owns a Nic Batum jersey that doesn't live in France. Awesome.

by CoRBBall on Jul 22, 2010 9:05 PM PDT reply actions

Oden is in the latest trade package for Paul floated by NO media!

Thus the mention.

In KP I trusted!

by LaoTzu on Jul 22, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes. This is true.

It is also in the fanshots.

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by bforsythe on Jul 22, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions

That is the big question though.

WHEN Oden is playing, he is effective I wouldn’t say DOMINANT. But the problem is, he is RARELY playing.

by RipCityRoyCity on Jul 22, 2010 9:05 PM PDT reply actions

When Oden is playing

his defense IS dominant and his presence alone on the offensive end is enough to change the game.

"It doesn't matter. You got a team? Bring it." -J. Howard

by rpresto2 on Jul 23, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions

So what?

All we need is a little bit of luck, and get Greg HEALTHY for the playoffs…
You saw what Boston did – finish fourth, and get healthy. This team, as constructed now, if healthy during the playoffs, can win it all.

But that is only because Greg provides the defensive stability you need to bang with the best teams. Also, you always want to construct your roster to beat the best teams in the league. To keep even with LA, we need our bigs. To have an advantage over Miami, we need our bigs.

If he rarely played during the regular season, but was healthy for each playoff run during the next decade, we should win a couple of titles.

And I would say dominant. Absolutely.

by Visionary2 on Jul 23, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Sorry rpresto2, meant to reply to RipCityRoyCity

by Visionary2 on Jul 23, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions

I figured

and appreciated your rant

"It doesn't matter. You got a team? Bring it." -J. Howard

by rpresto2 on Jul 23, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Absolutely agree

that you gut the team for Paul at your peril; but it’s a requirement to negotiate for the best possible deal. That includes making the calculation regarding Greg Oden. Przy and Camby make it possible that Oden is included with Batum, Miller and other chips. That sounds pretty reasonable when you get right down to the facts. No one much will miss Greg Oden because he has so few games under his belt. No one much will miss Miller because he’s a journeyman. And the minute people get a close-up of Chris Paul they’re not going to miss Nic very much either. Once you start throwing in additional young players though, it starts getting harder to swallow. 4, 5 or 6 for one is a stiff test for any owner but PA’s a crazy dude when it comes to wheeling and dealing. Then you get into taking bad contracts in return and….. Oh boy, it’s little dizzying.

by oregonslee on Jul 22, 2010 9:09 PM PDT reply actions

I imagine

a large number of people who have purchased season tickets since the Oden pick would probably care…

Also, someone said it on another post, there is no point in having a rock star point guard on an exclusively jump shooting team which we would have if you trade oden, Camby and Pryzbilla..it is just insane and represents a setback for our title hopes. it would be insane…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 22, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions

The folks who bought their tickets based on Oden

have already written him off

by oregonslee on Jul 22, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions

just not at all true

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions

???

by Jeffe Portland on Jul 22, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Not me!

I bought the day we got the #1 pick, and I’m going to be a season ticket holder as long as Greg is on the team, because he can bring us a title.

by Visionary2 on Jul 23, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions

I don’t imagine that most of those people love a great big man, and specifically want to watch Oden operate. They bought tickets because they thought the team was going to be better (which it has, although mostly for reasons other than Oden) and it’s more fun to watch winning basketball. If Chris Paul makes the Blazers better, I don’t think those people would care that they didn’t get to watch Oden specifically.

by inroywetrust on Jul 23, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions

I do!

I love watching Greg beast on opponent’s big men, causing them to foul him, and then swatting away their shots…

I LOVE watching Greg in the low post! And he doesn’t even have any moves yet!

I would love to watch CP, too, but don’t think the Blazers win a title without Greg.

by Visionary2 on Jul 23, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions

Like Me

If they trade Oden for Chris Paul, I will stop being a Blazer fan and go back to being strictly a football fan. I will give up my season tickets next year. Um has anybody counted teh number of championships the elite PG in the league have?

I think it is three and they all belong to Tony Parker. Chris Paul = 0, Deron Williams = 0, Steve nash = 0.
Heck…how many conference finals have they been to? Not many of those either.

Wake Up, This is not the position of need.

by BlazerFanFromDenver on Jul 23, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions

I don't see Camby and Pryz as a reason to include GO...

Camby had been injured for 33% of the games he’s been available for in his career… Joel 37%. If anything those numbers tell me we need to take a chance on Greg getting and staying healthy. I know Joel is said to be ahead of schedule but going into next season counting on him to play significant minutes… backing up 36 year old Camby… is foolish even if we have Paul. If we’re not careful we’ll have CP3 (who missed 37 games himself last year) but be relying on a less experienced version of Juwan Howard to man the paint.

Worst case scenario: We trade Oden and Nic who both live up to their potential and get Chris Paul who stays for two years, spends some time hurt, doesn’t get us out of the first round then leaves for greener pastures leaving us a shell of the team we are now.

In my opinion Oden is a deal breaker. Pryz?.. ok. Miller, Rudy Bayless… no problem. Camby and Nic…maybe.

Just because we CAN offer enough to get CP3… Doesn’t mean we should!

by Ilikeemall on Jul 22, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 22, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Wow, I agree with you, likeemail!

by Visionary2 on Jul 23, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions

Thanks...Had to happen sometime...

..and it’s I like ’em all… not e-mail…

by Ilikeemall on Jul 23, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions

Ah, well that makes much more sense then....

I figured we were philosphically different, if you like the bane of my existence, e-mail…
Now, if your ‘all’ refers to ‘women’, then we have a LOT in common! ;-)

by Visionary2 on Jul 23, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Actually...

I picked the name for BE because I like all the guys on the Blazers… But women are good too!

by Ilikeemall on Jul 23, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions

KEEP GREG FREAKING ODEN PLEASE!!!

Really, I can’t take the idea of sending a team to NO for a player who played half a season last year and has demonstrated that he is disgruntled. The team we are supposed to sending is three of our current starting five. AND Rudy, who could start for a few teams in this league. And Freeland. And a draft pick???

Wow. Too much. Waaaay too much.

I could see Miller (who would not be pleased playing behind Paul, anyway), Batum, Rudy and Joel, and if they wanted Freeland. I could even see a pick.

That’s all folks!

In KP I trusted!

by LaoTzu on Jul 22, 2010 9:47 PM PDT reply actions

I agree, Lao Tzu

Let’s remind ourselves that Chris Paul comes with a short contract and a group of advisers – the Lebron James management team. Do we really want to give away so much to get involved with that?

BTW, Lao Tzu’s Tao Te Ching is one of my favorites!

by jayfisher on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions

Like I said on another post...

Anyone claiming that potential (Batum, Oden, LMA) is worth proven All-Star (CP3) needs to get their head out of the Portland fishbowl.

Really, people…

Posterizing Pau since 2008...

by ocho_ocho on Jul 22, 2010 10:05 PM PDT reply actions

Yeah, it's crazy

the way some Bedgers value our young guys at the level if Paul, Iguodala, Harris or Parker is odd. In the past I thought maybe it was just a little good-natured homerism but now I’m not sure. We’ve got Roy and everyone else is support. We badly need one of those guys to get to the next level.

by oregonslee on Jul 22, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions

none of those guys are worth oden except CP

slimkim

by slimkim on Jul 22, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Only in your trading cards

by oregonslee on Jul 23, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions

well

Paul may be better, but what is better one season of Paul or many more years with guys we already know can perform for us.

Paul is great, but with his contrract length and the fact that 2011 is likely a lockout season, well…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions

That's non-sequiter

You have yet to make one compelling argument against Paul – except that you love Greg Oden. What’s your fear.

by oregonslee on Jul 23, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions

that if greg can stay healthy he can win us championships

and paul/roy will never be able to get it done because, well it has not been done without an allstar big since Jordan

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions

not entirely true even

horace grant and rodman, duh

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions

...

Paul will help LMA and Oden, that’s why we need him. If we manage to keep Roy, LMA and Oden and get Paul then I am for it. Everyone else is movable.

If we move Oden and half the roster to get Paul then we are pretty much NOH last year. We have to have those 4 to be a contender if it’s possible

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by brandonmitchell on Jul 22, 2010 10:19 PM PDT reply actions

"Dump LMA"? Are you kidding?

He’s a half-step beneath the All-Stars and his contract is suddenly relatively cheap.

PLUS CP3 is on the record saying if he came to PDX it would be to PLAY WITH Roy & LMA. I doubt any other all-star level player feels differently.

And man, Devin Harris is barely a step up from Miller. If at all. One-dimensional shoot-first penetrator.

by Marvin100 on Jul 22, 2010 10:23 PM PDT reply actions

I would trade Oden in a heartbeat

IF had have some sort of guarantee that Chris Paul would be around for more than a year after a trade. Unfortunately, I don’t see Paul coming to Portland long-term, making Oden a better investment. At least he wouldn’t be a one year rental.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 22, 2010 10:45 PM PDT reply actions

my only iss is we wont have any money to pursue another big to replace him

if we go out and somehow get shaq for 2 years great but that leaves us with a Great 2 yr window. after that we have no money to replace any of our aging centers. that said if we realistically look at how many games greg and okafor are going to play in the next 2 years, okafor may still put up alot better numbers than greg. i would like to keep andre as a back up to cp.

by Captain fruit on Jul 22, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions

Not that I;m for it but

Shaq may play for us if we gave him the BAE. For the record, I do not want to trade Oden. But if it happened.

Paul
Roy
Batum/Matthews
LMA
Shaq/Camby

That is potentially a dangerous squad, depending on who is traded. Title this next year? Maybe, no dynasty though.

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Jul 23, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions

the best person we can include in the trade would be pendegraph

by Captain fruit on Jul 22, 2010 11:24 PM PDT reply actions

Ultimately next year is the final exam for Oden

Here’s the grading system in my eyes given that next year will be his 3rd year. No excuses.

A=playing at least in the post season almost 100% physcally and being competitive with Lakers in WCF (or whoever is in the WCF)
B=playing at least in the post season and role playing his way for us past the first round of playoffs
C=playing at least in the post season and role playing his way for us to be competitive in the first round
D=gimping in post season getting 10 minutes a game
F=Not playing in post season

First 3 years were Fs guys. Big fat F. You cant have 4 Fs and still deserve to play in the greatest league of all sports. Hang up the sneaks and go to dental school time if you get 4 Fs.

slimkim

by slimkim on Jul 22, 2010 11:55 PM PDT reply actions

I'm pretty sure he would have a 'C' under your scale during the Houston series.

by ColumbiaRob on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions

I forgot he played in that series

Fine, two Fs and a C.

slimkim

by slimkim on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions

so then he has two shots left

and even in school you got an incomplete if you were physically unable to finish the coursework for some reason.

It is not like he is not trying.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 23, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions

1st year was preventative surgery.

No injury occurred. It was preventative. I’m surprised people don’t remember that. The FO, trainers and coaches elected for that to happen. I discount the first year because he had no control over that decision.

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions

Call it what you want

He was hurting therefore they did a study and found what they did which prompted microfracture surgery. He didn’t play all season. That’s an F or at best an Incomplete. Or he was ‘held back’. I’m already tired of my analogy.

slimkim

by slimkim on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions

agreed

I think Roy, Wesley, Batum, LA, and Oden is a pretty good starting five. Three defensive guys and two prolific scorers…that can play defense when they want.

by clonigro on Jul 23, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions

I say start with RAMBO 1 and put the game away with RAMBO 2

RAMBO 1
Miller
Roy
batum
Aldridge
Oden

RAMBO 2
Roy
Matthews
Batum
Aldridge
Oden

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 23, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Word up

by sammymohawk on Jul 23, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions

This is a difficult call

A Pryzbilla/Miller/Oden for Paul/Okafor trade would hurt like an SOB … but if that’s all we have to give up, I still might be willing.

1. Paul is the best point guard in the league, period.

2. The Hornets are not going to move Paul unless they can move Okafor with him. We cannot build a big enough package to balance that unless we include Camby or Oden, and Camby’s on a two-year deal so they might not want him.

3. Oden has the potential to be the best center in the league. He also has the potential to be like Jonathan Bender, so banged up and broken down that he’s out of the league before his prime.

4. Yes, Okafor has underachieved and yes, he’s overpaid, and he’s had some injury problems of his own. But he’s a perfectly serviceable starting NBA center when he’s healthy. A lineup of Paul, Roy, Batum, Adridge and Okafor is better than a lineup of Miller, Roy, Batum Aldridge and half Oden half Pryzbilla/Camby. I know it’s not fair to assume Oden will get injured, but he’s developed a pretty good track record at this point.

5. On the other hand, if Oden does stay healthy and does develop like we think he will, he’ll be much easier for us to hold onto long-term than Paul. And his game, generally speaking, is also a better fit for the other personnel on the roster.

6. And it does seem like dominant big men win more titles than dominant point guards, although there are exceptions both ways (Luc Longley, Isaiah Thomas) and the NBA does seem to be shifting in favor of the latter.

I just don’t know. I’ll put my faith in Cho and the Blazers player evaluation team to make the right choice.

by Charon on Jul 23, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions

All that being said

The people suggesting a straight-up swap of Roy for Paul do not understand the long-term implications of such a trade, how much Roy means to this franchise or even what New Orleans would want to accomplish in any deal for Paul.

by Charon on Jul 23, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions