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Jason Quick of The Oregonian writes...
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Trail Blazers legend Buck Williams will be one of three assistants to join coach Nate McMillan's staff for the 2010-11 season, McMillan said Wednesday.

Williams will join Bernie Bickerstaff and Bob Ociepka as new additions, with an official announcement coming as soon as Thursday, depending on the agreement of contracts.
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Bickerstaff and Ociepka had been considered close to locks dating back to last week (and much earlier in Bickerstaff's case). There were scattered whispers about Williams earlier this week too.

Thoughts?

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Kick....ass.....!

Welcome back, Buck!

Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.

by Bib Fortuna on Jul 21, 2010 6:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hear, hear!

Buck’s my all-time favorite. Love to have him back.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Buck William

 Yesssssssssssssssssssss now thats what im talking about

by Blazingatrail24 on Jul 21, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are Kersey and Porter still working with the team?

Now they just need to bring Clyde back. I don’t want him making basketball decisions, but he would be a great fan/media relations figure head.

"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave

by DC Blazer on Jul 22, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then we need to dig up Kevin Duckworth

Now playing, Tim Burton’s Corpse Coach!

Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.

by Bib Fortuna on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buck Williams

Buck’s got his work cut out instilling some toughness in Lamarcus. I heard Wheels today say Buck is in good shape but he might not be able to handle Oden down low… haha nice one Wheels. Buck was the missing piece to the puzzle when he became a Trail Blazer, let’s hope he has the same effect this time, taking them team to the next level. WOoot WOoot!!

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by bow4meow on Jul 21, 2010 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Hope Buck pushes LMA around a little bit, challenges him how Monty worked with Nic.

Being a lottery pick, LMA may have gotten a softy treatment from coaches. He’s damn good, but if Buck could bang him around, make him want each possession of each game, battle for each rebound, that would e the bee’s knees

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by Y5k on Jul 21, 2010 6:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope that before training camp...

someone teaches LMA a little basketball history. Maurice Lucas was a very physical power forward, the Blazers’ enforcer. He gets replaced by Buck Williams, another very physical tough-minded power forward. LMA needs to realize that there is probably a reason that the Blazers brought Buck in — and it isn’t just to appease us fans.

Aldridge is a very talented player and a lot of great attributes. But he needs to be more aggressive to let those attributes really shine. He has all-star abilities, but I’m not sure he has an all-star game. Buck can help him get that.

by hercher on Jul 22, 2010 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

100%

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by Y5k on Jul 22, 2010 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very intriguing.

I can definitely see Bickerstaff, not knowledgeable on Ociepka, but Buck coming in & helping our bigs get tougher and badder? I’m with it. Should be interesting, for sure.

Go Blazers!!

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by patrickroy on Jul 21, 2010 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Ociepka is a defensive guy

But he really did a nice job getting that Bulls team to play good solid defense without having to resort to zones all the time.

Good hire.

by nikolokolus on Jul 21, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

somebody shared an article a week ago about Ociekpa

Bob’s specialty is PnR defense

this is good news, at least Nate didn’t hire Klopenberg (sp?) as AK predicted

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate says in the JQ article that Ociepka will 'lead the defensive attack' or something like that

Which might mean…NO MORE SWITCHING ON EVERY PICK. YES.

Now if Ociepka can convince them to incorporate the ‘roll’ into the offense…I shouldn’t get my hopes up.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Jul 21, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go ahead, get your hopes up

Bob’s defensive/PnR strategy has to be an improvement over Dean Demo’s

Greg and Joel will be back to set some mean picks on offense

Buck Williams will put some old school vinegar into LMA’s game

These geezer patrol assistants could be a much better upgrade than expected

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Demopolous was the one with the great PNR defense coaching????

I KNEW I didn’t like him. Actually didn’t like him since he subbed for McMillan last season. Every time he talked his lips stuck to his teeth…The sound drove me nuts.

Well I was thinking…how can anyone listen to that for any length of time. I’d have my fingers in my ears. Coaches should have voices one wants to listen to!!!

by Natsthecat on Jul 21, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dean brought the Temple zone to the equation

the PnR defense was probably more about Nate, but at least he’s hiring a defensive-minded assistant, which is what I was hoping for re: Thibodeau for the past couple of years

Now it remains to be seen if McMillian will actually listen to Bob and how well the players will actually implement the changes (fingers crossed)

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I expected that Bob Kloppenburg's son, Gary, would be the defensive assistant hired here.

That’s ‘cause Kloppenburg is the man behind the SOS pressure defense — which is the crap that Nate McMillan runs in Portland — with all of the flippin’ switchin’ off of picks. On the contrary, though, post players should stay at home and perimeter players ought to fight through screens, so as to play staunch man-to-man defense.

by AK1984 on Jul 22, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I expected that Bob Kloppenburg's son, Gary, would be the defensive assistant hired here.

That’s ‘cause Kloppenburg is the man behind the SOS pressure defense — which is the crap that Nate McMillan runs in Portland — with all of the flippin’ switchin’ off of picks. On the contrary, though, post players should stay at home and perimeter players ought to fight through screens, so as to play staunch man-to-man defense.

by AK1984 on Jul 22, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Double post all the way!!

I'm a Greg Oden honk, yeah.

Even when I was still a Sonic fan, I liked Oden more than Kevin Durant.

by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT

by Tyler Durrden on Jul 22, 2010 7:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully Nate will let Ociepka change the PnR scheme and the players will buy into it

Like I said a few weeks ago, if Bob can tighten up the team’s defense his hiring could be as significant as a free agent signing

less fouls on Oden (because he’s switched out on a PG) would be huge

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,,,

Look at all those sucky coaches who were once players… Lenny Wilkens, Pat Riley, Rick Adelman, Phil Jackson, Nate McMillen, to name a few. Those guys suck as coaches.

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by Majikj0n on Jul 21, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Larry Brown & George Karl are a pair of former ABA stars who made fine coaches

But blacknoise isn’t entirely off-base. There have been many former players—especially former stars—who’ve stunk it up as coaches.

I’m wondering if Buck has coaching/teaching experience?

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by hurryup09 on Jul 21, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

the WaW boys were saying today

young Buck cut his teeth learning post play from old vet Maurice Lucas, back in the early ‘80s. So it’s a natural progression for Williams to teach the Blazer big men what Mo taught to him, and I suspect Lucas will consult with Buck as much as possible and much of Lucas’ terminology will be continued in Portland with Williams doing the hands on

This should result in a better hire than expected, at first blush. Who knew that Buck and Mo had a prior “connection” back east?

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

many ex-players succeed as coaches

However, my skepticism is predicated on the ability to teach skills. Just because you can do it doesn’t mean you can teach the nuts and bolts of how and why you do it. The best strategic coaches (x’s and o’s types) typically didn’t play at a high level in the NBA; same for those responsible for teaching skills.

Jackson didn’t invent the triangle offense – but has a reputation as a motivator. McMillan stresses personal accountability, performance under pressure, limited turnovers, playing under control, etc. – but has had issues fitting style to players vs. trying to fit players to style.

But the basic premise to the post is that having done it doesn’t mean you can coach it (while it obviously doesn’t mean you can’t coach it)….

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

McMillan has had issues fitting style to players vs. trying to fit players to style.

Here’s hoping the new GM finds players that will fit with Nate’s style, rather than acquiring BPAs and leaving it up to Nate to make all the tempo-schizophrenic pieces fit

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jerry and Norm Van Lier

formed one of the dirtiest, scrappiest backcourt tandems in NBA history with the Bulls back in the mid-70s. The ’77 Blazers almost lost to Chicago in the first round, thanks to some brutal calls by the scab refs. Fortunately, Portland had home court advantage and took the 3 game series and were soon on their way to glory

I remember the Bulls finished the ’77 regular season on a 17-3 run. (Just another piece of worthless trivia rattling around up in my gray matter…)

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Assistant coach is the best place for ex players though.

With head coach and GM, I prefer brains, but it’s good to have an assistant or two who can relate to the players.

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by pualo on Jul 21, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Er, players by definition don't have brains?

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by hurryup09 on Jul 21, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Players probably have slightly above average intelligence.

It helps, but it’s not the most important thing. If one in a million people are great basketball players, and one in a million people are super smart, chances are that zero people are both.

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by pualo on Jul 21, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Batum is in the top 1/1,000,000 in every category imaginable

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by pualo on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

before Rich Cho made his presentation to Larry and Paul

he ran it by Nic first, to work out all the kinks

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

any minute now...

somebody’s gonna compare Nic to Chuck Norris

by AverageJon on Jul 22, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's been done

when Batum and Norris are walking down the same sidewalk, Chuck genuflects and crosses over to the other side

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone have a resume for Buck Williams' coaching experience?

Or are they relying on his experience as a player, and limited coaching experience?

He could be a great fit, and I really like Buck as a player, but I don’t know what he brings to the table, for example, when it comes to helping Greg.

by Timmay! on Jul 21, 2010 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

He was president of the players association, and he owned a construction company

That seems to have been the biggest things he did aside from being a successful player.

In terms of coaching, I only found something about him coaching an AAU team, the Maryland Madness, for a few years and reaching national final rounds.

by Norsktroll on Jul 21, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be very difficult for me to be any less excited about this coaching staff than I am.

by jksnake99 on Jul 21, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

another shocker

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by bow4meow on Jul 21, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who did you want?

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 21, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ideally, a lead assistant more along the lines of Lawrence Frank and big man coach who has actually spent the last few years coaching elite level big men.

Well, Ideally a different head coach, but that’s another argument.

by jksnake99 on Jul 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess they don't have to be unemployed

You can overpay for coaches, and it’s usually fair game to request an interview with an assistant coach. No reason to at least see if some of the recent big man coaches (Like Hakeem) would be interested in a high profile job.

by Timmay! on Jul 21, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t have a name in mind, to be honest with you.

by jksnake99 on Jul 21, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

the really good big man coaches run camps and specialty gyms rather than ply their craft with a specific team

once the season starts – most progress is a function of playing time (system; approach; confidence; repetition). Skill development slows down considerably. During the off-season – a lot of resources are available to promote skill development.

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

then I'll give you one...Clifford Ray

From what I’ve heard, he worked with Dwight Howard and more recently was coaching with Rivers and Tibs in Boston

Buck Williams is a Maurice Lucas disciple. The beat goes on…and hopefully the beat downs will increase

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's about right

the Blazers kept it on the down low for quite awhile, to protect his privacy

Buck and Luke’s relationship dates back at least to ’81

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some Ociepka bio at NBA.com

sounds knowledgeable. coached under Vinny the Black….sounds like he has a superior background in coaching young guys…

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

actually

its vinny of the black (in spanish)

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt

by thomasikehara on Jul 21, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

it does

Vinny the Black sounds better in English, tho

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

#52 is coming back!!!

Both of them!!!

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Jul 21, 2010 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Nope.

Pretty sure he retired.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 21, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he can beat his cancer

Luke doesn’t deserve to die young (not that most people do).

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave

by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reportedly, Luke schooled Buck in post play when Williams was a rookie in NJ

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mo is an (off-court) consultant and Buck continues what Lucas started with the Blazer’s big men

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give 'em "the look," Buck

He’s second only to Maurice with a look that can stop a truck. If LMA or Greg or anyone else needs any “encouragement” in the toughness department – the look such suffice!

by Memphremagog on Jul 21, 2010 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

For this special occasion

Can somebody please photoshop the famous early 90’s Nike “Uh oh” poster ….

You know the one with Buck, Terry and Jerome running a fast break right at the camera with looks that mean business?

This version can have Buck, Bickerstaff and Oceipka.

Or Buck, Nate and … Bill Bayno?

by HowlinJoeWolf on Jul 21, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

OR

The current Blazers medical and training staff rushing the court.

Still too soon? I kid, I kid….

Buck’s “look” was definitely awesome, though.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Jul 21, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a kid

I had that up on my wall in my bedroom. Got me pumped up then, still does to this day. I would love to have that kinda of toughness on the team we have this season.

by JusChilln345 on Jul 21, 2010 8:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe Buck should give LMA a pair of his goggles?

Tell him they’re ‘Magic Glasses’ that’ll make LMA invincible in the post…

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
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by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

woo

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt

by thomasikehara on Jul 21, 2010 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish they would

but I think that was more just commentators talking out of their donkeys.

by HailOden! on Jul 21, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think nate and payton were just catching up

they were teammates for a number of years

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by thomasikehara on Jul 21, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate wasn't too fond of Gary, at first

as we learned earlier this year, the rookie PG was handed the job without a training camp competition with McMillian

I thought I heard that the Glove was going to be helping out down in Corvallis?

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

payton would be awesome

and if nate leaves next year, payton could proceed him. hell to the yea!

by notoriousj on Jul 21, 2010 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

.... Ugh

I think Gary and Nate are oil and water. Nate th studious hard, working, blue collar type; Gary the gum chomping, devil may care, Fararri driver.
It could work, but it has huge potential to backfire.
Not sure GP is the headcoach type. More attitude than chalkboad.

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by Y5k on Jul 21, 2010 7:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Doc Rivers?

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by staylost on Jul 21, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats Buck

its been too long seeing you around here. I hope them bigs take your teaching to heart. You where one of my favorites on the team during your time here. Love this hiring!!!

Luke Babbit. Rookie, MVP, Best Hair, 6th man 2010-2011!!!!
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by in~ur~fizace on Jul 21, 2010 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks

that’s the one I remember, Bob’s quote from the interview

I think we always want to opportunity break. I think we always want to look to play inside-out as best we can. We’ve been really efficient on pick and rolls. And, I think what this team has done recently is come off pick and rolls and making the extra pass. We have to continue to do that and change sides on the floor against all teams.

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pooh Jeter and Cunningham did just as well the summer before

Dante already had nice fundamentals and footwork coming out of ’Nova

Dwight Jaynes and others have made a big deal about how poor the Blazers PnR defense has been, for the last 5 years. If Ociepka can bring a fresh approach with him to the staff, the team’s defense will be greatly improved—and that could lead to less foul trouble (and more smashies) for Gregory Wayne Oden

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome back Buck we love ya man!

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- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on Jul 21, 2010 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

did Bob get a restraining order?

It sounds like you were stalking him

He’s not Thibodeau, but he’s got to be an upgrade vs Demo

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cho, Matthews, now Buck Williams(???)

This is becoming way too much of a Blazer love fest in what is supposed to be the summer of mourning over BE’s savior + Vulcan hatred.

Please start another thread featuring that ridiculous picture of Larry Miller so that Blazersedge can return back to “normal”. Thank you.

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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Important question.

Can any of the new assistants teach the Blazers how to set a screen and subsequently roll to the hoop? Emphasis on the SET and ROLL.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 22, 2010 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Ociepka

according to past interviews, the PnR is what he’s good at

Oden and Przy are better at setting picks and diving towards the basket than either LMA or Dante. Their hard screens were missing for most of last year

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by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on Buck!

My all time favorite Blazer. I dream of Buck’s heart & desire in LMA’s body. Maybe he can do a little rubbing off on him.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Jul 22, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm suprised,

Gary Payton didn’t make the assistant coach roster. When I saw him sitting with Nate, Mike Born, and all those guys, I thought for sure something was going to be announced shortly after. It just made sense to me.

Maybe not now that I think about the history of things.

by Transposing on Jul 22, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally...

THE BUCK HAS COME BACK TO THE TRAILBLAZERS!

THANK YOU KEVIN PRITCHARD

Blazers fan since '91

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