Top Priority for Cho?
Ben's been filling up the content barrel this week with his interview with Chad Buchanan and an introduction to Rich Cho so I'm laying low a little. But I didn't want to let the moment pass without remarking that, after whirlwind introductions to the public Monday and the same in the office Tuesday, this is likely the first day that General Manager Cho will sit down and address the topic, "OK...what now?" I don't know if Blazersedge will be among the sources he consults as he answers that question but the site does get read from time to time at Blazer Headquarters so I thought I'd open the floor for you to assist Mr. Cho with your best wisdom and insight. If you had to red flag one priority above all others as the next step on the road to success for the Portland Trail Blazers, what would it be? What should Rich Cho's top priority be?
The comment section is open.
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5 shooting guards ...
48 minutes.
I heard Cho is pretty good with numbers and math, so hopefully he’s got an idea about how to solve this particular problem.
that is easy. 9 minutes, 36 seconds a piece.
"I told somebody to stop crying," Pendergraph said after the game. "Actually, I told them all to stop crying."
That is quality math work!
My math says Rudy is gone, JB is a point guard, and Elliott Williams is a rookie. Roy backed up by WM is an easy math problem. I think Nate can add 2 numbers and have them add to 48.
by 52therim on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
CP3 with a contract extension?
:p
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
first!
work things out with Rudy. either trade him or waterer. u dontwabt a player bagging all summer causing issue to the team.
by Hoi on Jul 21, 2010 9:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
sorry I ment....
either trade him or do whatever… he’s being watered enough… he’s getting washed up haha
by Hoi on Jul 21, 2010 9:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was getting a mental image of a waterboard
watched too many episodes of 24
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GENERAL CHO!!!
Rudy for Waterboy. Now that’s funny.
On a serious note, General Cho should clean deck and get the team a Derek Fisher / Robert Horry type. Someone with serious bona fides in the playoffs.
what were Fisher/Horry-types before their playoff success?
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Who cares?
I’m talking about James Posey even. Someone who was a contributor who has been deep and/or has a ring.
Is it me or does Cho look like Chow Yun Fat in that pic above.
That gets major points in my book. He should grow his hair out and at half time slide onto the court sideways and shoot the tshirt gun, Hard Boiled style.
slimkim
First
never rely on the spanish media for accuracy
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jul 21, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Marca strongly disagrees with you.
They also heard a rumor about your status in Euroleague next year.
Figure out what to do regarding the Oden negotiations.
by jksnake99 on Jul 21, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Cho has until October 31 on that score
so I hope it’s not his “first” priority
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I do.
All he has to do is contact Greg and inform them we want to re-sign him. He can multitask while he’s doing that, and Greg is reminded he’s a priority.
These items are not mutually exclusive.
But what if the Blazers aren't sure they want to resign Greg, before Nov 1?
I think it would be a good idea to see him out on the floor for a couple of months, before coming to that conclusion
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I think it might even be worth it to let him become an RFA
you gain a couple things that way:
- We get to see him play for a whole year for the first time in his career. If he has another season-ending injury, I think that’s a sign that it’s time to move on.
- The downside of having to match another offer seems smaller than potentially overpaying greatly by not establishing market value.
- Greg’s confidence would get boosted knowing he completely earned whatever he gets. He has already shown guilty feelings about being picked first and getting injured. If we re-upped him to a long term deal and he gets injured, he will be done, mentally.
by superfly05 on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you're talking about Boozer, that was a different situation.
That being said, there are indeed pros and cons to waiting for him to go RFA, for both sides (especially considering the likely upcoming CBA changes).
If we wait for him to go RFA
the current CBA will expire, and if Early Bird rights/ROFR/the soft cap are impaired or eliminated, we could get screwed out of our franchise center. Re-sign him now. If he blows up this season, then we get him on the cheap. If he gets hurt again, we will have overpaid, but he’ll be a nice, possibly insurance covered, EC in a couple years, and Paul Allen has the money to take that risk. If we’re going all in right now, then now’s the time to lock him up for 2 or 3 years.
A contract structured similar to Andre Miller’s would be perfect (2 years guaranteed, team option/partial guarantee on the third), with the addition of incentives so he makes a little more.
by HailOden! on Jul 21, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
interesting take on the mentality side
I am actually still moved by his apology before even going to get the knee looked at..
He does care about that a lot…
Mu big concern is we do not know what will come out of the CBA next summer so not wrapping him up now could leave us vulnerable to some rule changes…
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How could you not resign Greg?
It’s not as if the team will have any cap flexibility if they let him go. You can’t run the risk that he walks and develops elsewhere. For better or worse, the Blazers’ future is tied to GO. Buy now while his value is low. Use a highly incentivized deal with lots of milestones for minutes/games played and performance.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
by DC Blazer on Jul 21, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Letting him go RFA isn't the same as not re-signing him
But it is a bit of a gamble. Then again, so is re-signing him now. There is no risk of him walking, as we can always match.
As far as “getting Utah-ed,” you have to keep in mind the risk involved with Oden, which is completely different than Milsap or Matthews. What other team is going to throw max money at him, given his injury history?
One of the more subtle advantages of waiting is not having the nagging feeling that we overpaid. We will pay based on a realistic offer after a year of play (or injury), or what another team (aka “the market”) is willing to pay.
Look at Utah with Milsap now. You could say we made them overpay, but did we? Utah didn’t have to match if they didn’t think he was worth it, and now with Boozer gone (as they suspected), they’re probably glad to have him. Same for us and Matthews, We basically outbid Utah to get him, it was worth it to us.
Oden will get a max offer
Look at the money amare and boozer got. Look at Brand…
You get paid by potential and Oden will get a max offer from someone like Minn or Memphis.
Not a good comparison
Look how much Shaun Livingston got. Look how much T-Mac got. There’s guys with potential, as well as serious injury history.
Amar’e, Boozer, and Brand have all made all-star teams and have put up big numbers in multiple seasons. My memory is hazy, but I can’t seem to recall Oden playing for four consecutive months since we drafted him.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Oden going RFA isn’t even up to the Blazers. If G.O. is confident in his ability to play and that his injuries were indeed flukes, he may reject any offers and test the waters next summer.
You assume Oden stays healthy...
Portland fans currently overrate Odens value by about 36%.
The rest of NBA fandom underrates him by about 82%…
Very few GMs, if any, are gonna wanna roll the dice for megabucks on a raw talent that can’t stay healthy with a new CBA in the offing…
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If he goes down for half a season now
we’re gonna shake hands then wash hands.
value
i wouldn’t say Greg’s value is low right now, but it could get low if we give him one more opportunity and he gets injured again. My feeling, cut you losses and work a deal to get as much value as you can out of him before another injury happens again. I hope I’m wrong. Also, he’s on my list of head cases along with Andre and Rudy.
If they aren't sure they want to re-sign him, that's what Jake says Cho should decide
Either way, Greg is important enough to this team that he should be treated properly and informed of his status. That can be done immediately, even while working out a long term team plan.
Unless they expect to move Greg, which seems pretty unlikely.
I'm not saying they shouldn't resign him
just that there’s no need to tell him immediately that they intend to do it. Greg’s rehab is the real priority, today. Oden’s extension won’t become a critical issue until the October deadline nears
and this thread topic is “top priority”
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I think the Greg decision
and conversation can wait until August but not after. Greg needs to know before camp what he is looking at. But Cho should be able to take time to sort it out too…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Yeah, I just think its something Cho should look into really hard— getting input from the team and outside on his injuries, seeing how Greg looks, etc. Final decision doesn’t need to be made yet, but its so crucial for the team’s future that it requires a good deal of attention.
I'm sure Rich will do his due diligence re: GO
but it shouldn’t be his “top priority”
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If we don't extend him this summer
He gets a max offer next summer, unless something crazy is happening with the CBA (which isn’t too remote a possibility). We need to lock him up for as long as we can. This Blazer era’s championship hopes live and die with Greg.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
If you're right
Then unless his agent’s terrible, we won’t be able to sign him now for anything less than the max, and it makes no real difference.
But of course if he gets seriously hurt again, he won’t get the max. So it’s a question of whether the team or Greg should bear that risk.
If they'll only agree to a max deal, we obviously wait
Ideally, I’d do 5 years 45 million or so. But I’d do 55 million without batting an eye.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
can we say training staff
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 21, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
that’s a lot of syllables
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jul 21, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
1) Decide whether now is the time to move for a consolidation trade (for a PG most likely), or whether or not we are better waiting until January. If it’s now, then go for it.
2) Oden extension
3) Rudy (could be part of #1 of course)
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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heheh
oops, just re-read my comment. Yes, I left the door wide open there didn’t I?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Decide whether now is the time to move for a consolidation trade (for a PG most likely)
Or, figure out a nice why to tell Paul Allen why his previous trade proposals wouldn’t be wise?
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Hey portland fans have been beating the Cp3 drum to death please stop
does everyone really think this is possible to get Paul. Hornets have cleared enough cap space to keep him now. He is there only draw for fans and if they trade him how many people does everyone think would go to the games
Two letters, P-G
PG is without a doubt in my mind, the single most pressing priority….what to do with Miller….trade him? keep him until trading deadline? the entire year? pick up option for next year? What to do after he’s gone this year or next?
If he’s going to be our starting PG to start the season, then it’d just be nice for someone to come out and say it so we don’t have to wonder for the next 2-3 months what’s going on!
The nice thing with Miller's contract
is that of we decide not to use it as an expiring contract this summer, we can simply pick up the option and use it next summer.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
yes i am tired of CP3 story....must end it now
we are still blessed with so many very good players in Guard position, meaning we can be very flexible in strategy offensively and defensively..
I'm not sure I agree ...
7 or 8 guards (depending on what they do with Mills and Johnson) seems more like a nightmare than possessing flexibility. You might be able to placate the rookies for a year or so, but Rudy and Bayless (and their agents) would eventually revolt, and With Roy eating up at least 35 minutes per night, Matthews likely to pick up all the leftovers behind him. There’s quite a risk of creating a chemistry nightmare.
This is where Bayless can step in and say "we thought we wouldn't get minutes LAST year either.
Just you wait and see. Unless this new guy goes and messes with the fitness/training staff….I heard OKC used some of the same methods as the Suns training staff…hmmmmm"
find a good sushi restaurant
Then go get Tony Parker
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by slim503 on Jul 21, 2010 9:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Mio sushi is good
Parker will cost too much to get, and wouldn’t likely sign an extension prior to being traded here. Maybe he really wants to play with Batum though.
Parker will cost too much to get, and wouldn’t likely sign an extension prior to being traded here
Tony would have a pretty strong incentive to sign an extension before next June 30
it’s called “the pending lockout”
unless he’s thinking of signing to play over in Europe while the rest of his NBA peers walk the picket lines?
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surprising dearth of good sushi in this town
I would go with Tani’s in Hoodstock or Mio on Hawthorne.
1. Figure out how to do what he wants while making PA “happy” or should i say, not get fired. Whilst in that process have a mental note that only around 5% of what PA suggests should be acted on…if even that.
2. Stay lucky (Durant obtaining mojo)
3. Figure out if Batum and Oden are able to be “the future” as most of us seem to think and if not move them for healthy and strong role players until we rebuild around Roy, LA, Matthews (fingers and toes crossed he’s not a one season and done), and hopefully the PG we’ll be getting within the season.
slimkim
Tani's is a good place
Yoko’s is very good. Sensai on NW 21st is affordable and the will make sushi with brown rice.
Gimmicks don't make dynasties
by WarEaglePDX on Jul 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of the "get Parker" idea
Mainly because he plays pretty much like Andre Miller, but with more injuries. Sure, he may have more playoff experience, but we already have what is basically his equivalent or upgrade, so why make a lateral move by trading for him?
He may not only have more playoff experience, he does. 100 games more. And a few titles more. And he’s 6 years younger. While like Miller maybe not an ideal stylistic fit with Nate and Roy (though a better shooter) he would be a serious upgrade who would be a good match for the age group of the Blazers core. So of course would Harris or CP3.
yup...not even close
He peaked in 08-9 year with 6.9 dimes. The rest of the seasons were in the high 5, low 6. Basically what Roy will be doing and has been doing
slimkim
me neither
lets get rid of our ironman pg with no shot for a quicker, more injury prone pg with no shot because he happened to have been blessed to play alongside Duncan all these years…no thanks
by Billy Hoyle on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Figure out who the keepers are
And hopefully use the rest to acquire the last piece. (Devin Harris!)
Rich said it on the air himself, yesterday
Add more veteran experience and leadership to the roster
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I heard Billups is a pretty good veteran leader. And 3 pt shooter. But he is pretty dedicated to
George Karl and probably wouldn’t leave Denver while Karl is still able to coach.
Other than that…someone like Billups…that would be great. I think he would open the window for the Blazers wide up .
Billups would be awesome for his clutchness
since it’s clear we have only one clutch guy on our team that is under the age of 30….problem is that he is getting older as well (33). Billups doesn’t get as many assists as Miller, but he can actually shoot reliably and again, he’s a killer. Every team needs at least two IMO.
slimkim
Billups will retire as a Nugget
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by thankyouforblaze on Jul 21, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the speed of Devin Harris..but unfortunately he can't shoot 3
Rather keep Dre and Bayless who i think He will significantly improve this year…
i can't put my finger on it
but something tells me once Bayless get’s more efficient (doesn’t waste his energy trying to dunk on people or barrel into the bigs for a 60/40 chance to get at the line) he will be a decent back up PG. He’ll never be Rondo, but I’ll be happy with him being a potent paint scorer who can at least pass as well as Steve Blake…that’s not hard to do.
slimkim
I think we need him to be a key 6th man
put up 15 pts a night, whether from the free throw line or the 3 pt line
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by thankyouforblaze on Jul 21, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Harris is a 30 percent 3-point shooter
which is decent. And I live here so I see him regularly and he’s a great all-around player.
It's something that just happened
But I am right across the river from NYC, so it isn’t as terrible as you think.
Rich said it on the air himself, yesterday
Add more veteran experience and leadership to the roster
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Aldridge/Camby/Cunningham/Pendergraph
PF is OK.
Camby is the veteran backup PF
don’t think of Marcus as the backup center (only) he just had to play mostly center last spring after the trade because the only alternative was Juwan Howard
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bet Camby will see both positions this year. He did pretty well at Center, esp against certain match ups.
Sure
It’s just when I hear these “we need another backup PF” requests, I feel a duty to remind everyone that Marcus is actually more of a 4 than a 5 (he started alongside Kaman for the Clippers, etc)
the Blazers will get most of their “bang” from the center position, with Greg and Joel. LMA and Camby play PF but they’re not the prototypical banger/beast 4 that fans are accustomed to
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Not a lot of offense from a Camby-Oden frontline
On the other hand, since that lineup will block about 117 percent of the other team’s shots, Camby is more than adequate as a backup 4/5.
both Camby and Oden have WAY more offense than Joel.
Though it remains to be seen if Joel will play this year.
depends on who is running the one
I think Miller didn’t get a fair shake at helping GO with his offense since he was injured. Also someone like (yawn) CP3 would definitely increase CambOden’s offensive output.
slimkim
Not a lot of offense from a Camby-Oden frontline
I look foward to seeing Marcus feed Greg with post entry passes from the FT line area
when healthy, Oden is extremely efficient offensively. Dunks and FTs are hard to defend
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I like the offense keying off Camby up top.
He had some slick entry passes to LMA last season.
Stealth > Wealth
High Low assassins
That is what I am pumped about having Camby, he can teach LMA and Oden the high low game…If LMA and Oden develop that…wow, that will be tough to stop…
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Oden is a very viable offensive option
he was coming into it real well right before that injury…
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PG
Trade miller for someone who can shoot the 3. e.g. Miller for Hinrich. I’m not sure anyone actually wants Miller. His only value may be his expiring contract.
He has posted an 18+ PER the last like 3 or 4 seasons
18 PER puts you among the top 10 in your position. It isn’t like Miller is a useless scrub.
And yet...who wants him?
His PER is fine, but he is at best adequate defensively. More importantly, he’s a bad fit. He’s Iversonian in that he needs certain kind of teammates to be effective (and must have the ball in his hands). Roy is the guy you build your roster around here, and Miller is an awful fit with Roy.
Prove it to me dude
Blazers had their best stretch of games when Roy and Miller were both healthy and starting/playing majority of the minutes at their position. If he wasn’t effective he wouldn’t have had a decent PER. He is a match-up on defense. He rarely gets taken out of his game by a bigger or quicker opponent, and is able to abuse smaller points on both ends of the floor. He doesn’t match up well with really quick points so I will give you that.
Proof
The guy never wins playoff series. Exhibit A.
Camby, Batum being healthy has a lot to do with Blazers success. And yes, Miller is still a better player than Bayless (though the gap is rapidly shrinking)…but Hinrich would be a major improvement. So would most starting NBA PG.
If those guys were starting next to Roy
I’d want an upgrade too.
Those guys in their prime played like superstars and didn’t have the supporting cast to win. Maybe Miller didn’t either, but he never played like a superstar, so you can’t give him the same benefit of the doubt.
He a veteran, true point guard. I’ll take that any day on the Blazers lineup. Because the lineup was in such a flux last year we never got to see Miller become comfortable and really run the offense. Plus, the effective he would have playing with Greg. Ohh the lob passes. Give him a year before you write him off.
The 2012-13 NBA season: a dynasty begins.
valid argument
Perhaps, Miller can adjust his game to better fit with the current roster.
That said, given the lack of outside shooting from a Miller/Roy backcourt, I can’t see it. Also, its, at best, a mediocre defensive backcourt.
You are still discounting the run where Roy and Miller were making it happen
in March and April before the fakers knee injury to roy.
That Phoenix game on the road was ours until Andre got hobbled rolling his ankle in the 4th qtr too. Miller held the ship together when ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NBA would have sunk under the injury problems we had.
Aldrdige deserves more credit than he gets on this front as well.
It is funny to me that the two whipping boys on last years starting line up were the ones that held the team together and kept it from spiralling down to a non-playoff qualifying team.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Oh come on
most starting PGs are no way as good as miller. Not one of the alternatives to CP3 in the trade rumors is actually a better guard. I can see the argument for a couple of the guys if you just want to go younger, but to say most NBA starting point guards just shows you have know idea what you are talking about.
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Thank you!
Dre may not be an All Star but we should get off his back. Give the team a chance to do well this year before shipping people out
I'm going to guess that the Blazers want him.
The only way to get a significant upgrade is with an very good all-star player.
Hinrich may shoot the three but there’s no way I trade Miller for him.
by Jeffe Portland on Jul 21, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Better player and much better fit
Hinrich is an upgrade. Miller isn’t near all-star caliber.
Miller is a lot closer to All Star than Hinrich
not to say Hinrich isn’t a better fit – but Miller proved doubters wrong last year. I still don’t like him for this team – but truth is he performed well.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's see... among those rumored to want him: Miami
the superteam in the east. Yes, they wanted Miller. Miller’s not an awful fit with Roy, seeing that they’ve learned how to play together, and I would argue that he has the best kind of teammates to be effective here.
Hinrich, on the other hand, would be an awful pickup. He’s basically a better Blake, but his game has declined significantly and to trade Miller for Hinrich would be a downright stupid move.
If you ignore defense completely
the Blake comparison is legit. Good distributor, good shooter….the difference is that Blake is a jokeshow on D while Hinrich is one of the better defenders at the position.
I'd be just fine with him. Would love to see how he and Oden work together this year. That lob
pass…to Oden. Got to see that too few times last year.
miller is good with oden
but not with roy…and roy is far more important to what the team is right now.
Only way I like Miller is if he’s coming in off the bench together with Oden
Oden is more important than Roy
Roy is more valuable to the team because he’s been healthier, but Oden is more important in terms of the wins he would add if he could stay healthy and out of foul trouble.
Miller is an awful fit with Roy.
Says you. Andre and Brandon were a dynamic backcourt, especially once Camby and Batum joined them in the starting lineup, last spring
the only reason to deal Miller is to get a little younger at the PG position. But not a lot younger (note: Cho’s desire to add veteran leadership to the current roster)
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am guessing TP. That is all that makes sense to me. Wish it was Billups.
He’s won a ring. Can shoot the 3. Great leader.
He won’t leave Denver now though. Karl…the lost boys…and Denver is also his home!!
Parker has been my target
Tony’s not “ideal” re: size, defense or 3pt% but he’s been to the finals multiple times, and the Blazers need some of that experience on their roster. Otherwise, they could struggle advancing far and it could take a few extra years of trial and error for Nate and the kids
I’d rather have the sherpa guide (that Dave talked about a year or so ago) who can point out the crevasses along the path
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and to get better
Miller is a well below average starting PG. “dynamic” is a pretty meaningless word. When Miller and Roy can shoot consistently in the upper 30s for 3 point percentage, they’ll be dynamic.
Miller is a well below average starting PG.
That’s just absurd. Miller is an excellent point guard. You keep saying Miller is no good and that he doesn’t play well with Roy. All evidence pointed the other way last year. Once Miller was starting last year, he and Roy played very well together. Miller also held the team together when Roy was hurt.
Please give some examples of why you think Miller is so terrible.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't say he's no good
He’s a decent NBA player. He deserves to start. He’s a good scorer, distributor, rebounder.
Without Roy, he’s a good fit for this team. He was HUGE when Roy was out, not disputing….
But to win in the playoffs the Blazers need Roy and they need another player who fits well with him. If you assume Batum/Aldridge/Oden (or Camby) are locked in, PG is the spot to upgrade.
The evidence did NOT point to Roy/Miller playing well together. It was an awkward pairing of two quality players who just don’t fit great together.
Miller is a well below average starting PG
He’s a decent NBA player. He deserves to start. He’s a good scorer, distributor, rebounder.
these two comments contradict the hell out of eachother, brah
picture me rollin'
with you on the contradiction
unfortunately, Miller was his own contradiction from regular season to playoffs. Throw out game one vs. Phoenix, and Miller was below average.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Roy was even further below average in the playoffs
he was god-awful. He was the reason we lost game 6.
Should we trade him too?
picture me rollin'
Phoenix was able to regroup after the first game
They changed their offense to focus almost entirely on Dre. Without Brandon as a second ball handler, there wasn’t a lot we could do. Full credit to Phoenix for making the adjustment.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oops
They changed their defense to focus on Dre.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
how?
Half of the starting PGs in the NBA are below average, by definition. I’m saying MIllers in that group.
Are half of the starting pgs WELL below average?
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
no
but Miller is. He deserves to start, but he is well below average compared to other starting PGs. Nothing contradictory here.
Miller is not even below average, so this whole discussion is moot. Which isn’t to say we shouldn’t be in the market for an upgrade and/or younger replacement.
but incorrect
pick any advance metric you want (composite statistics) – and they all agree that Miller is above average.
The only thing he is was below average at is 3-point shooting.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
PER says he's 10th or 11th best in the league
but that ignores defense, fit, playoff experience, etc.
there are other advanced metrics to use
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
actually
not so:
WinShares, WARP, adjusted +/- and Net PER all favor Miller as above average.
He was statistically average in the playoffs, but below average if you take game one out.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's enough
Flagged for trolling.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
WELL below average
and half the starting PGs in the NBA are not good scorers/distributors/rebounders.
it’s a huge contradiction to say he is WELL-beloe average but deserves to start
picture me rollin'
defense/shooting
theres more to it than what Miller does well
plus I would say some of the bottom half of the PG starters DO NOT deserve to be starting
picture me rollin'
half the league
has backup PGs that should be starting on other teams??….I’d like to see that list
did I say "all of the bottom half"
or did I say “some of the bottom half”? Mr Strawman
picture me rollin'
fine
replace some of the bottom half with superior backups on other teams. doesn’t change that Miller is below average
there's more to playing the backcourt than shooting percentages
Look at Portland’s 2nd half W-L record, they sure didn’t finish 6th in the WC with all the injuries because they had a mis-matched starting backcourt
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Camby/Batum
The Blazers got much better after those 2 returned.
Regardless, the point is about the playoffs. When Miller was hitting his outside shots the Blazers looked unstoppable. Unfortunately, we know that never lasts.
Roy's knee injury
Camby’s ankle, Batum’s shoulder
had more to do with the Blazer’s playoff defeat than their starting backcourt not being compatible
When Artest stepped on Brandon’s foot on April 11th, the Blazers were on a roll and looking towards advancing past the first round. Once Roy was hurt, they had little chance, but they still managed to defeat the hot Suns twice, even though the team was dinged up and already shorthanded
Miller is not the problem, the only concern should be his career longevity vs the Blazer’s timeline
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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hinrich again?
come on, that is so last year here on BE
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
More feasible this year
Miller’s contract is a trade chip….though I know Wash has no interest in adding Miller, maybe a 3rd team can be found.
maybe a 3rd team can be found.
Pacers, they might be interested in Miller. For the Blazers to add a new PG, I think a 3 or 4-way trade is going to be required, and (according to Rick Sund) Cho puts those proposals together in his sleep
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Pacers
not a bad call there. they do need a PG and have the shooters to put around Miller
I will take Andre Miller on this team over Kirk Hinrich all day every day
two or three years down the road I may be singing a different tune, but the idea that the Blazers will be better off THIS season with Hinrich instead of Miller is laughable to me
and I think Cho could also find a better scenario in his sleep. Unless of course he was having
a Miller to Indiana for ? and Heinrich to PDX nightmare.
Tom, is that you?
Being insistent when you're wrong is just really, really annoying.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 21, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless there is some info we the public dont know
There doesn’t seem to be much available in the way of PG’s to really blow our championship window open, and everything that might be available to do that will also be exorbitantly expensive.
Back-up PG seems to be the best place to upgrade, since Bayless is more a combo guard and we already have a back-up to Roy.
Agreed.
I would’ve liked to see us get Luke Ridnour as a backup PG. But either way, if we kick Rudy off the team, we can move Bayless to SG and find a backup PG, thus making our bench about 5 times better.
Thats the point though.
Matthews is far superior to Bayless at the back-up 2 spot (also back-up 3 spot, he is gonna need the minutes from both).
Disagree!
We aren’t getting Ridnour, nor would I bring him in to replace Bayless. JB has far greater upside at PG. If we move Rudy, JB is still behind WM and still can’t defend the position and still has a hard time shooting over taller players. Bayless played the 2 last year due to injury. I doubt he gets much run there this year.
by 52therim on Jul 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Take a serious look at the training staff...
I know that the amount of injuries last year was unheard of. Simply lots of bad luck. But a few of those injuries were re-injuries, or things that were allowed to be played on only to get worse.
Not saying that they all need to be canned or anything, but we need to take a long hard look at that particular part of the franchise.
by blazer_tk on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Its not bad luck
Blazers keep aquiring players other teams stay away from because of injury. Its GOOD luck that aldridge and roy haven’t been more seriously hurt. Camby…Oden…come on.
Cho is going to ask the training staff questions. He said this in one of his interviews.
They were included in on the group of people he was going to talk to. …coaches, scouts, TRAINING STAFF…..was a SYMPHONY to my ears.
Also heard yesterday on MSP I think it was…that OKC’s training staff uses methods that the Suns training staff uses. And HOW many days did OKC lose to injury last year? ONE? something like that.
And yes….. I fully expect all of the" yeah butters" out there to say: “yeah but OKC is such a YOUNG TEAM…THAT is why they had so few injuries.” and of course I will have to concede….
True…the Blazers are getting a bit on in years…esp Miller and Howard…
asking someone to do better
is fine. thats not the same as making it a priority, or blaming the teams lack of progress on them.
Fire Joel's bathroom remodeler!
That shower was an accident waiting to happen.
Things happen. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume the blame lies with the trainers. We had bad luck last year. So did Golden State.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The Blazers had THE MOST games missed due to injuries of any team in the league last year.
bad LUCK????
Either it's bad luck
Or there’s some kind of magic training formula that prevents injuries that somehow the Blazer training staff has never heard of. My background in healthcare tells me it’s probably luck.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
correction:
The most games missed of any PLAYOFF team. The GSW’s had more missed games total, but unlike them we were able to stay competitive.
"So I said, 'Supercollider?! I just met her!'" - Humorbot 5.0
thank you for the clarification..thought it was GSW also but heard Blazers the other day
I think it was Paul Allen who said it actually!
Assessing/Addressing the injury issue would be my top priority too
Maybe its bad luck. Maybe it’s the players. Maybe it’s the training staff. Maybe it’s some combination thereof. Figure it out.
by PoliSam on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but I would amend that to "take a serious look at the injury issue"
It’s a lot more complicated than a lot of fans will acknowledge and it may well go beyond just the training staff and their current systems. I know the Blazers are making the players’ health one of the top priorities for the upcoming season, and It seems like the perfect place for Cho’s analytical skills. Even if the Blazers have already finished an assessment of the injuries/causes/etc., another set of outside eyes would be beneficial.
It also makes sense to do this first because of the timeline involved. Summer is all about healing and fine-tuning.
Agree.
And the fresh set of eyes is from a team that had..what…2 days missed due to injury last season?
Cho said he will be talking to the training staff.
dunno..thought it was pretty obvious...
1: find a suitable mode of transportation
2: fine a nice neighborhood to buy a house
3: study some maps of the area
4: get acquainted with stumptown
5: deal with blazers stuff.
i kid
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FGM - 3
FGA - 111
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Reb - 10
More items
6. Get a medical marijuana card
7. Find your favorite microbrewery
8. Sample all the strip clubs
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
Priorities
1. Thin out the roster while upgrading at PG (better defense and outside shooting) and backup PF (a banger).
2. Take an inventory of all components of basketball operations and start working to build a world class professional sports organization, as you said in your press conference. The thing that sticks out for me as an outsider is training+nutrition to avoid injuries, but only you as an insider (who can see what is really going on and benchmark that against prevailing best practices) can say for sure.
3. Build positive working relationships within the organization and the community.
"Parting ways is not the end of the world. Ultimately, it may not be a bad thing at all, but right now I know the emotions are pretty raw. But it doesn't serve anyone to bash the Trail Blazers or Paul. It is after all a business of tough decisions. So, for the sake of the players, coaches and everyone who believes in Trail Blazers basketball, let's turn the page, move on and keep our eye on the prize." -KP
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 21, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions
Exactly.
I’d expand on these as follows:
1. Consider all scenarios, but don’t make blockbuster trades simply to make a splash or put your fingerprints on the organization. Sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make.
2. Seize the opportunity to make the Blazers the vanguard for statistical player evaluation. Pal Allen will fund it.
3. Just be yourself and stay humble. Avoid the CHO-kehold/CHO-sen One trap.
Maybe bring in Kurt Thomas?
He’s always been a reliable big man at the 4 or 5. Perfect banger and tutor for Greg, LA, Dante, etc.
Also fits the role of veteran leader Cho mentioned.
As for PG I really like Dre and don’t understand the hate he gets. I agree a shooter behind him would be ideal though. Rudy for Eddie House and a 2nd round pick!?
Eddie House would be great
especially if we see a consolidation trade giving up a big chunk of the back court
True that would solve the PT issues
But at the same time, depth is very valuable for any team.
Eddie House isn’t worth too much anyway, so a consolidation trade would be kind of pointless unless we wanted something else the Knicks have… but who would that be? Sergio? I don’t think so.
Answer all emails and IMs Paul Allen has sent over the weekend to stay in good graces
Paul likes to pose questions, and he likes to get them answered with good answers. Quickly.
Oh dear. I've been scanning too quickly.
I read that as answering the emails from “Mrs. Paul Allen.”
I think Cho said he had to go back to OKC to tie up a few loose ends for Presti.
He may ask his former boss if he could take something, just a memento….. back with him to Portland, so he will be able to remember all of the great times he had while working in OKC.
Sam will say “of COURSE,your choice.”
Cho will smile, leave the room and speed dial #2 on his phone.
by Natsthecat on Jul 21, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
make a slight change to Durant's recent extension
so that the contract reads “PTB” instead of “OKC”
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OKC has not yet signed Cole Aldrich (one of only 3 or 4 first round picks who so far wasn't signed)
I secretly hope that was Cho’s job, and he just lets it slide between the cracks. Then OKC forfeits the game and gets fined when they try to use Aldrich in the season opener.
Trade Oden for CP3
Only way you get CP3 is if a franchise-caliber player (potentially) is given back in return. Pair with Miller and some picks and young assets.
so, that way we can BE SURE we totally fouled up the Oden draft....
Either when we didn’t take Durant OR when we let Oden go to become a dominant center in the league.
NO WAY we want that trade. That would the the disaster move for the new guy.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
only way to get value
I don’t think getting CP3 for him would be a move anyone would view as a mistake, even if Oden pans out (unlikely anyway)
I'd view Oden for Paul as a mistake
Chris Paul is the better player, now and maybe in the future. But Roy—Paul—LMA is a real longshot against Miami: similar cores, but with Miami having an edge across the board. Bosh > LMA, LeBron > Roy, and if Miami goes big and forces Paul to guard Wade, how well could that possibly go?
With Greg, on the other hand, if he stays healthy and becomes the dominant big man we know he can be, we just might have a weapon and defensive anchor Miami has no answer for.
Replace Nate
After this season. Endure this season, get your feet wet, then replace Nate. Maybe trade LaMarcus, too, if he hasn’t learned how to play on the blocks, back to the basket.
LA does play on the block with his back to the basket
or are you being facetious?
by Billy Hoyle on Jul 21, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
From there he tends to spin out of the lane and shoot from 10 feet
In my opinion, it’s working, he’s almost unguardable, and his style fits with the rest of the team. There’s WAY too much Aldridge hate on BE.
me too. Don't get it. The guy has gone without a big man coach for almost 2 seasons.
He actually played most of the season…he missed only about 4 games. He is steady, dependable, nice, talented.
He grew up with an alcoholic father and has overcome that…I like him.
Buck Williams said learned post play from from Maurice Lucas
It must have been in the summer of ’81 (after Buck was drafted by the Nets) because Lucas was traded to the Knicks and played in NY the next fall. But perhaps the 2 of them also hooked up during the following offseason, as well?
Regardless, Buck should continue teaching the Blazer big men pretty much the same things that his mentor did, almost 30 years ago. Williams is a bright guy, and he was known for his strong work ethic. Its likely he’s using this job as an entry point back into the league and hopes to migrate to front office in time, but no one should begrudge him that opportunity. I’d rather have Clifford Ray, but after I heard that #52 was a student of Lucas’ the hiring makes more sense
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
1 Yuzu Japanese Restaurant in Beaverton, best Japanese in town, no sushi but rarer authentic izakaya
2 Implement some kind of Postural Alignment Therapy for team, GO. Blazers philosophy = OUTDATED
Blazer Pride.
An izakaya ...
is a local place that specializes in bar/street food. Go there if you have a taste for adventure.
My wife and i lived in Japan for 18 years … Yazu is the real deal and takes me back without the plane flight.
"Who Shot KP?" - Krang
Which town?
Best sushi in Portland is supposed to be Masu—at least that’s where visiting rockstars get theirs (knew a server there). I know Beaverton has a lot of great sushi joints though.
Stealth > Wealth
For 3 years we've discussed how we have all these great pieces...
Roy, Aldridge, some of the other guys who’ve come up through the organization and since left. Oden is the one guy who the Greater Glory has always been contingent on. He’s always been THE piece that will define this group and their legacy.
Oden is the top priority. RC’s gotta find a way to get the Phoenix Suns medical staff (or maybe those physios from the World Cup with the magic spray) over here to rejuvenate Mr. Oden, get him healthy, and KEEP him healthy.
That’s the top priority, fo’ Cho.
Being insistent when you're wrong is just really, really annoying.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 21, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
For now I assume he’s in OKC tying up loose ends. But when he returns?
The first thing he said he’ll do is meet with Born, Buchanan, Nate, etc. They need to discuss the roster and what course KP had us on prior to leaving. Often times the best thing to do isn’t necessarily throwing out your predecessor’s ideas and starting fresh. I have a feeling he will build on some of Kevin’s work in the short-term while fusing it with the coaching staff’s ideas, his own business sense and analytical approach to valuing players. I’m sure many here will disagree with me, but I think one of the first few discussions he will have with Nate & co. will revolve around Chris Paul and his availability. Cho will bring a fresh pair of eyes to our assets and with advice from the coaching staff, I really think we make New Orleans a robust offer for him. No, I’m not saying Andre Miller is a bad player. He’s just old. The streak has to end at some point and even Cho has said this team needs a long-term PROVEN solution at PG. Not a “this guy COULD work out” kind of scenario. This team is built to win now.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
I never heard Cho say that this team needs a long-term proven solution @ PG. When did he say this?
I thought I listened to or read all of his interviews.
He said the team is a few moves away from being a championship contender
I liked that assessment, since I agree. I would assume a PG solution is part of that, though he didn’t address it specifically.
He did address our PG position specifically on Monday’s edition of Courtside. He didn’t say anything bad about what we do have. He just said it’s a position the team will take a look at and see if there’s further room for improvement. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure it was Wheels who asked the question.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
revolve around Chris Paul and his availability
Not just CP3’s availability, but if he has any interest in being in Portland after 2012
I have serious doubts about this
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If he is in serious contention for a ring and or wins one, I don't think he would mind.
From what I have seen of Chris Paul he is very competitive and that seems like his primary drive when it comes to a NBA team.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen. Play Jerryd Bayless.
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Personally, I WISH the first move was new coach.
But, that would require a level of sophisticated understanding of playing strategies and the Blazers, and bold confidence beyond what we can reasonably expect from a new GM. So, we will probably have to sit through more Nate ball until the frustration grows to a crescendo.
Hopefully Nate won’t have injuries to excuse anything. If I am wrong, I will be pleasantly surprised. I would welcome Nate’s evolution to a coach…. it’s just that evolution is such a slow process. My patience is thin. I would like a jump, not an incremental adjustment.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
since no long-term PG opportunity has immediately presented itself...
…lets get to work on cloning one!
With all of the pharmaceutical solutions on the market, I’m sure there’s one for hyper-growth-acceleration. If we get started now, he might be ready for the playoffs in 2012…
I’m thinking:
The tenacity and competitive drive of CP3,
The speed and court vision of Steve Nash
The shooting of Chauncey Billups,
The clutch playmaking of D-Fish, and
The durability of Andre Miller.
What have I left out?
oh that's easy
A bionic version of Shawn Livingston.
by JelaniGNatural on Jul 21, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
oh actually
that’s just as good, although we should specify we would like the body of Mr. Sonic Player Nate, not Blazer Coach Nate
by JelaniGNatural on Jul 21, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
who?
Anthony Johnson? I googled “AJ1” and all I saw was the first generation Air Jordan shoe… ?
by JelaniGNatural on Jul 21, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we'll use him
Some genetic therapy to make him an Andre Miller/Billups/CP3/Jason Kidd hybrid, along with his own skills should put us over the top.
like I told Morty
morph Gary Payton and John Stockton
(more of John’s personality than the Glove’s, of course)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
cloning labs are expensive...
for economy of scale, we should just clone a whole team.
Parenthetically, you seem to be talking genetic engineering – rather more complex. Be realistic !
Cloning the more plausible approach. Pick ONE player for each clone.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
First, do what he does best
1. A quick analysis … quick enough to work free agency to obtain a new, starting PG
A. Analyze Portland and OKC evaluations/rankings of players … especially at PG
B. Review conversations Portland has had league wide regarding said players … incorporating OKC conversations to form overlapping areas of opportunity
C. Review his findings with his two primary scouts
D. Formulate rankings for PG trade including traded assets and possible multi-team deals
2. Hire an assistant GM that fits him, his guys, the organization … especially with an eye for identifying talent as it relates to team needs/chemistry
1. A quick analysis … quick enough to work free agency to obtain a new, starting PG
I wouldn’t call this a priority for the team – although this topic does get the most run among fans.
Primary reason is that point guard is not actually a position of weakness – only the perceived “weakest link” (my argument).
Unless you can land CP3, there might not be another PG worth the cost to acquire. TP is favored by many – but is he the right type of PG to complement this starting group? Other than that – who is there that is an actual upgrade/better fit that what we already have?
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, PG is not necessarily a problem at all,
if coach would just get the hay out of the way and let ‘em play IMHO.
We’ve got rather a variety to work with.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Priorities:
1. Keep Rudy (For Now). Tell his team if he comes into camp focused and puts forth a better effort, you’ll have a better chance of fulfilling his wishes and trading him before the trade deadline. Remember – Buy low / Sell High.
2. Hire an assistant GM to do all of the media/community relations work so you can stay focused on what you will do best – the managerial & analytical realms of pro basketball. Use the assistant to play the role as front office enforcer and to also leak false information to the media when needed.
3. Make ‘Rip City’ uniforms the main.
4. 2 for 1 Beer Night for the Lakers/Celtics/Heat games.
5. Find out who the country’s Top 5 Knee Specialists are and have them look at Roy and Oden. Find out approximately how long each player has left in this league and make moved accordingly.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
So thats
A good way to get fired
1. Undermine your team chemistry and underutilized your new free agent acquisition…not to mention sacrifice defense.
2. Immediately shirk part of your job description and cost your boss more $
3. Change the popular uniforms
4. Cut one of the better sources of revenue
5. OK…this one is a good idea.
Figure out
The relationship between training staff and injuries. That seemed to be the # 1 problem last year. After that secure the future by investigating how to trade Bayless for a starting point guard or future starting point guard like Chris Paul’s back up, Darren Collison.
Boom-shocka-locka!!!
not their fault
Some people are injury prone. The Blazers are adding people that other teams stay away from. Yeah, the training staff is not the Pistons or Suns, but they’re not to blame here. Pritchard pursued a high-risk strategy with all these injury-prone guys. Don’t blame the staff.
The training staff is perfect as is...and Heinrich is wayyy better than Miller and
who needs Oden anyway….actually maybe we can start Rudy instead of Roy.
I am not blaming the staff
What I am saying is figure out the correlation between the training staff and their ability to assist the healing process, the preventive process, and the progressive training. If, as you say, the Pistons or the Suns have really effecient training staffs (like being able to revamp a wasted Shaq) then I would think Portland would want to see how they can head on the same track as those teams, to keep their players healthy, not down as long, and lure savy vets.
Pritchard smitchard, he didn’t pursue high risk crap, anyone can get injured just as easily as another, they play a high impact sport with lots of explosive moments and and awkward landings. crap happens.
Boom-shocka-locka!!!
I think we should also look into our scouting...
to figure out the relationship between playing for a national team all summer, and then being injured at the start of the NBA season. Let’s just stop drafting foreign players. A good chunk of our games missed due to injury came from Rudy and Batum. If those guys didn’t play for their national teams all summer, they could have gotten healthy/ had surgeries in June and been ready to go in the fall.
I’m being sarcastic, btw. All the major injuries were catastrophic types. You could maybe look at the training staff for things like Brandon’s hammy, but when Oden’s kneecap splits in half while jumping, there’s not a lot you can do to prevent that from a training point of view.
Although
You may have a point about national teams all summer long. It’s been proven that the human body needs a period of rest after such prolonged grueling activity. We can’t forget that these guys are playing basketball for at least 2 to 3 hours everyday and working out for 2 to 3 hours everyday. That can take it’s toll on the body.
I’m not blaming the training staff for the catastrophic injuries but, as we could all do in our own lives, the training staff can improve. Look at what Phoenix did with Amare, Grant Hill, and Shaq. There’s no reason that Portland can’t rise to that level even with their current staff, they just need to spend the time and resources to do it.
Boom-shocka-locka!!!
firebomb comcast
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jul 21, 2010 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Before the blockbuster trades and gutting of the roster
He should find an assistant GM with experience that compliments his skill set and spend some time getting on the same page as Nate and the rest of the organization.
Trades would be a very scary first priority..
"At 49, I can say something I never would have said when I was a player, that I'm a better person because of my failures and disgraces." -- Bill Walton
by MischiefPortland on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions
The MSP was suggesting an NBA guy...
which I tend to agree with. If you have PA and Cho as numbers guys, scouts as the “eye” guys, and Larry without a clue, you need somebody in the room that knows players…
I know Cho is Smart but......
Wow a lot to digest here. I figure the first thing you want to do on a new job is impress the BOSS. I smell a HUGE trade coming……….
Here's my top 4
1. Make the team more "Green" and "Sustainable", extra credit for "Renewable"
2. Reduce "Blazer One’s " carbon footprint.
3. Cover the entire Rose Garden roof with solar panels.
4. Eliminate all automobile parking. Convert parking for cars to bike racks, electric plug-in stations and light rail stops.
2-4 the who
D'oh!
Didn’t you see Jerryd’s commercial? The Rose Garden is LEED certified.
As far as converting the garage to bike parking and plug-ins, I’d prefer they put that money towards more bike lanes. I cannot understand the emphasis on bike parking in this city. I’ve never had trouble finding a place to lock up, but I average about one near-death experience during my commute from North Portland to Southeast due to poorly designed streets. The most enraging part of it all is that somehow the city has decided that cyclists like speed bumps, and I’ve had to change my routes to avoid the new “bike friendly” streets. I could see the city being stupid enough to think that cars might avoid a street on account of the bumps, but what good is that if cyclists avoid it too?!?!
So worry not, 24thewho, the organization is committed to reducing their environmental impact, and they’ve got their heads screwed on a little tighter than some.
Stealth > Wealth
well said.
Seeing one head broken open like a dropped melon was enough to convince me.
How about BIKE ROADS ! Yeah.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Bike Roads? Kinda...
The 2030 plan that was approved this year has a number of “Bike Boulevards”, but I’m a little unclear on what that means. They say that there will be low speed limits and reduced “auto cut through”, but it looks like cars will still be allowed (it will just be a pain in the butt to drive on them).
Personally, I won’t be satisfied until east 21st, between Freemont and Powell, north/northeast Skidmore, between Interstate and 33rd, and all of southeast Clinton are completely car free. The 2030 plan looks nice, but if there isn’t immediate action to make the roadways bike safe, I’ll be dead by 2030.
Stealth > Wealth
Well, yeah, that sounds like the right idea.
Dedicated bike roads would have to be in town, where there are plenty of alternative routes for cars, and traffic signals where the two cross. Also making bike lanes as wide as car lanes on some routes, plus low car speed limits on bike preferred routes.
Of course, not everyone is healthy enough to bike around. But if people get into the habit while they are able, their health will last a lot longer. We are so slow in making changes to our transportation methodology. Especially in highly populated areas, it is amazing. Los Angeles has become almost uninhabitable, in my opinion, due to the traffic gridlock. I mean, I have sat hours CRAWLING down main throughfares, even freeways, where I could JOG faster than traffic. The best they can do is “Carpool Lanes” !!. And I am talking 20 years ago ! Pathetic. And it is in LA I saw the immediate aftermath of a cyclist killed on the road, trying to “be healthy” in that traffic hell hole.
UC Santa Barbara has a system of “bike highways” – two way “mini roads” with lines and all that are bikes only. Really fun, and functional. I heard they do have some collisions on occasions. I visited a student there, and got to try them out years ago.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
More for cyclists:
Moving a household with bikes and bike trailers
I want to build a bike trailer “camper”. Why be homeless?
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
hmm, link not workin
http://www.bikesatwork.com/hauling-cargo-by-bike/household-move-by-bike.html
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
My aunt/uncle live in Goleta
so I have traversed down those UCSB bike trails, in the past
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
getting rid of LMA and actually getting some value in return
I said it when they signed him…
We have a near-max deal for a PF that doesn’t attack the rim and rebounds and blocks shots at a very low rate. Sure, he has a decent offensive game, but it’s all jumpers.
The sooner we dump him and bring in a guy that’s willing to hit the boards and go to the rim, we’re not going anywhere, regardless of how well Oden comes back
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 21, 2010 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
a PF that doesn’t attack the rim and rebounds and blocks shots at a very low rate.
yeah, that type of PF would only work with a dominant, low-post, shot-blocking, defensive minded center. We need to get one of those for LMA to be a perfect fit.
picture me rollin'
I agree that on paper LMA and Oden should be a good combination of talents
to me it’s more of a value proposition – as we are paying LMA near-max, all-star money and he doesn’t produce at that level. There are quite a few PFs out there that have a mid-range game and still rebound and play hard on D
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 21, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
LMA is paid like an all-star
but doesn’t play like one.
That said, Oden/Camby/PBilla do enough of the things that he doesn’t. They fit really well as a combo with LMA.
Besides, every team is aware of his deficiencies. You’re not going to get Pau Gasol for him…
i don't expect Pau Gasol for him
but I think he holds enough value that we could land a pretty nice package in return for him
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
as in multiple players
Blazers don’t need depth, they need another all-star to go with Roy
Doesn't rebound?
He got 8 per game last year. That’s really not bad, especially in our slow system, especially when we typically have rebound hungry centers on the floor with him. Amare had 8.9 last year in a much faster system without a rebounding center.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
9th amongst PFs in offensive rebounds
17th amongst PFs in defensive rebounds
25th amongst PFs in rebounds/48 minutes….and that’s just amongst PFs, Nick Collison, Amir Johnson, and Luis Scola had better rebound rates
I’m sorry, a guy that is maxing near-max money at the PF position should be better than 25th at his position in league in rebound rate, not to mention he’s 25th amongst PFs in blocks/game and 31st in blocks/48 minutes! Due is 6’11" and athletic!!!!
LASOFTEST ALDRIDGE!
by rip_city_swagger on Jul 21, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
None of which addresses our pace or that we have rebound hungry centers
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
there is plenty of things to criticize LMA over. The fact that he doesn’t get more than 8.0 rebounds per game is pretty far down the list. He gives up a few defensive here and there that he shouldn’t, but he’s not killing us on the glass – most of those rebounds just go to another Blazer. I can live with that.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
we also have a good rebounding PG (Miller)
I am actually fairly impressed with LMA’s 8 RPGs
picture me rollin'
but stunningly bad at rotating to help/challenging shots/fighting for post position on defense/etc. All this while being a good but far from great offensive player.
bad at rotating to help/challenging shots/fighting for post position on defense
very very teachable things. LMA has a lot of qualities that are unteachable
picture me rollin'
I looked up LMA's stats from the beginning of last year when Both Oden and Joel were healthy
Oden was in for 20 games, while Joel was in for 9 more.
LMA avg 14.9ppg 7.4rpb and .4bpg while Greg was healthy.
When Greg comes back, will everyone that is saying LMA is doing enough to justify his deal, still be saying so if he is avg 15/7 with bad defense and inefficient offense, instead of 18 and 8? We harp on TV talking heads all the time for looking at just the old stats when talking about how good or bad a player might be, lets not be guilty of doing the same thing here with LMA. I don’t care what his raw ppg or rpg are, I care what his reb% is, what his TS% is, and what his one on one, and team defense skills are. (right now they are not good) Just about any NBA player can put up numbers when they are given enough shot attempts by their coach. What I want to see is if LMA can step up his defense this year while letting Greg get more shots, because Greg’s shots are more efficient than LMA’s, and therefor are better for the team.
Just incase anyone wants to know, here are LMA’s stats for the games after Oden was injured, but before Joel went down.
18.9ppg 7.8 rpg .3 bpg.
Obviously he picked up his scoring, but his rebounding only went up slightly. LMA’s rebounding numbers went up after Joel went down, as there were just more to get without both center’s playing. Interestingly enough, once Camby was traded for, LMA’s rebounding numbers once again went down to about 7 per game. So an educated guess would be that LMA will max out at around 7 rebs per game next season, and could be much less with Oden, Camby, and possibly Joel around to suck them up.
I am fine with LMA not being a big time rebounder, if he can get out on the break more and use his speed to get easy baskets, I am fine with him not being a great one on one defender, if he can use his quickness to move his feet and be a great team defender. I just hope he can see his role on this team is going to have to change, last season at the beginning of the year, B Roy and LMA complained alot about not getting their touches, I don’t want to hear that crap again. I want to hear LMA and Roy finally committ to being defensive players first, and stop worring about their offensive stats, or possilb All-Star selections.
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A good point
But LMA isn’t competing with Oden for TS%. “more efficient therefore better” isn’t always true. Degree of difficulty and role have to be considered. LMA is being asked to hit 20 footers and space the floor so that the center can offensive rebound or the guards can drive. You don’t ask guards to put up TS% comparable to centers and the some of the same leeway should be given to LMA.
As for the thoughts about defense and sharing the ball: spot on.
I am not trying to compare LMA to Oden by their TS%
But LMA not an offensively efficient player, and his TS% is an indicator of his efficiency. Last season he was 38th amoung qualified power forwards in TS%, (.535). Some players that are similar to LMA in play style were C. Boozer, .599, C. Bosh, .592, C. Landry, .600, T. Murphy, .585, Dirk, .578, Danilo Gallinari, .575, and D West, .560.
These players used a combo of either 3pt shooting, FT’s, or using a higher percentage of their total shots at closer range to achieve a more efficient offensive game. LMA needs to do the same thing, settling for 20 foot jumpers is not what the Blazers need. Yes they need him to be a threat from 20 feet, but the league already knows he can hit that shot, so they will respect it, he doesn’ t need to keep shooting 66% of his total shots from there for Oden to be able to work in the post. Was it Tim Duncan or David Robinson who shot 20 footers all game?
LMA and Oden need to work on their interior passing to take advantage if a defender leaves LMA to double Oden, and this team needs to keep surrounding Oden with shooters like Batum and Matheaws.
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Agree
The Blazers, as a team, were pretty efficient offensively, even if LMA wasn’t as an individual. He’s a big part of why because he draws interior defenders away and has to be given a lot of attention.
LMA does take some low percentage shots he probably shouldn’t. I’m just saying that shot difficulty isn’t incorporated into efficiency measures. The 20 footer isn’t the greatest shot, but its beneficial to take it at times to space the floor. The guy who can do that has additional value beyond whats shown in these stats. Efficiency stats are important from the overall team perspective, but some individuals (Iverson/Kobe) are basically tasked with taking higher difficulty/lower percentage shots, which efficiency doesn’t capture. LaMarcus is one of those guys who is never going to look great in that regard. He doesn’t have the range to hit 3s and doesn’t have the aggressiveness that gets him to the line. But, in the 15-20 foot range he’s as good as most of those guys.
In addition, Nates system doesn’t call for him to have transition baskets or alley-oops. Plus, he doesn’t have Paul, Williams, or Kidd giving him passes. And yeah, he’s not Dirk or Bosh.
I’d agree that ideally LMA takes fewer of those, converts a little more efficiently, takes a few less shots, and works better as a passer. Adding a few 3 point shooters is a great start.
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You make a good point about the offense
to which I’ll continue to say that Nate is the problem with the Blazers offense, he either needs to change or be fire. Baseing an offense around 20 foot jump shots is a failure before it begins. Stretch 4’s hit 3’s not 20 footers, so asking LMA to hit 20 footers all game long is not productive for him or for the team.
Chicken or the egg, does LMA take 20 footers because he doesn’t want to bang, and can’t hit 3’s, or does he take them because he is being asked to take them by Nate?
LMA has proven that he can bang down low when he wants to, and he is pretty efficent when he does. He has also proven that he can operate from the high post, hitting the much easier foul line extended shot. Nate and the coaching staff, needs to use him there rather than 20 feet out. How about having him set a pick at the free throw line area, instead of above the 3 point line, then roll to the rim looking for the pass rather than fading to the outside? Other NBA teams have great success with this, maybe we should try it sometime.
I am willing to accept the point that the Blazers coaches might be asking LMA to do what he is doing, however wrong the coaches might be. If we accept that as fact, it still leaves LMA’s unimproved defense since his rookie year. That improvement alone would make him worth the contract he signed, at least to me it would.
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Boozer
averaged 18pts and 8rbs… didn’t he just get like an 80M contract? compare that to LMA who is at around 65M and is quite a bit younger and still has growth to make. LaMarcus next to a healthy GO is the prefect way to play it, IMO.
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" I would trade our entire team for Brandon Roy"
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 21, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Top priority should be
To have a loooong talk with Rudy about his potential options and then make the best decision from there. If Rudy doesn’t want to be here, he’s only going to cause problems as time goes on. Plus we need to act quickly if we’re going to get a good deal going for him.
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
by JJWeatherman on Jul 21, 2010 10:35 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
#1: Address the charisma gap.
I like Richard and I believe he’s going to be a good exec. However, he admitted from the first moment that he doesn’t have any experience being in the public eye. Either by hiring a public speaking coach or by hiring an assistant GM who can work the fans and the media for him, he needs to make sure that the front office is maintaining a similar relationship with the public that we had during the KP era. And I don’t mean making sure to leak inside dirt to Jason Quick… as much fun as that is. :-D
This is just like the players right? Addressing your weaknesses is the surest way to improve, and the ugly downside to having such a “passionate fan base” is that we can all end up being a swarm of hypersensetive nervous nellies chewing our own legs off when something seems to go amiss. So Richard’s got to be-or-hire somebody who can pat us all on the head and let us know that everthing is gonna be okay, and do it in a substantive way.
Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'. -- Dave
really?
Of all the things you think is important for our GM to do, you think his FIRST priority right now should be to improves his charisma and pubic speaking?
Wow. Personally, I could care less about this – just go to work and make our team better. That’s the bottom line.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
nope
it’s all about how smooth you are with the media. Everything else is fluff……………………….
picture me rollin'
Okay, well there's a certain conceit in that
Richard’s really given me the impression that he knows what he’s doing and so the minutae how he breaks the hours down in his first couple of weeks between the Asst GM job search, reviewing the roster for trade opportunities (cough Rudy) etc…. don’t matter that much to me. I think he knows everything he needs to do on that end.
OTOH, we’re all like a pack of hyenas sometimes and I don’t think he has the ability to hit the ground running with respect to PR and fan relations, at least not in this market. So I hope he is thinking about that from the very beginning… because the first time something unexpected happens (cough Greg photos) he’ll be on top of it already.
Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'. -- Dave
by conspirator5 on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, did you just say...
Cho was on top… never mind, I can’t even finish typing that image..
you think his FIRST priority right now should be to improves his charisma and pubic speaking?
Wow. Personally, I could care less about this – just go to work and make our team better.
I agree. The media embraced KP because he was a breath of fresh air after Patterson. But several of the most effective Blazer GMs only spoke to the press when they had something to announce, and even then they kept their cards close to their vest (Inman, Petrie, etc) I think the blazer’s GM pendulum needs to swing back to “boring” and understated, especially after what we’ve been through with KP in the last 4 months. If Cho can deliver the talent and the team advances deep in the post season, he’ll be popular enough without having to tell everybody about it every step along the way
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Moves to make
I have heard the Kings needs Guards and Portland needs a good back up PF maybe the new GM could get Carl Landry for Bayless and Rudy that would take of both teams needs. And then the new GM could go after CP3 , Parker , Harris or M.Williams. New Orleans,Cleveland has talked about cap releaf well Portland could offer over 14 mil in releaf in Przybilla and Millers contracts for any of them. and then the Blazer would have their back up pf and their PG of the future. Ok let me have it ! and tell me why these teams can’t and won’t make these deals. I know everyone has a 1000 reasons why they don’t make these deals. I think it takes care of the needs for all three teams. And yes Portland does make out like a bandit but hay thats what we like to dream about as fans your team getting the best deals. And your team win
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No reason not to
Those guys are killer but wasting away at the bootom of their divisions. I would rather see us gor for a major star like Iguodala and play a little humbler at PG.
Put some familiar faces on the coaching staff
Always helps the fan base. Gary Payton, Buck Williams – How ’bout Arvydas coaching the big guys?
noooo...neither!!! Payton? heard he is NOT a good choice. Also Buck Williams hasn't ever
coached and has been out of the game for about 10 yrs…that is what I’ve heard anyway.
Tell 'em what what they won, Michael!
gah
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
although the irony
is that if there were a system fit for Shaq’s remaining abilities…it would be ours
by Billy Hoyle on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Top Priority?
That’s actually very easy.
Win a championship.
by NorthWest Connection on Jul 21, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
By the end of this week....
By the end of this week Cho and his staff will have mentally set the direction they want to go for the next 4 to 6 months. It will not be public of course, but whatever we see unfold over the next 4 to 6 months, rest assured, they crafted it this week.
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It doesn’t take months to set your course (If it does, you’re not very good). It takes months to execute a plan which took a few days to formulate. These are smart guys. They have done their homework. They are experts on all the details of the CBA, and contracts. They don’t need to do much more research, if any. They just need to sit down together in the same room, weigh the options, and set their course. By the end of the week, the priorties will be set.
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Granted, not every target they set will be hit, and we don’t operate in a static environment, so as other teams make moves we will adjust accordingly. But the next few days will cotify the general direction and goals. Moves you see made a few months from now were influenced by the discussions of this week.
A player the rest of the league knows they can't stop
and it’s not Shaq
Andre Miller
A lot of debate up above about how he ranks compared to other starting PGs.
Clearly better players by PER :
1.Paul
2. Nash
3. Williams
4. Billups
5. Rondo
Better players by PER (looking over the last couple years – theres some debate here)
6. Arenas
7. Rose
8. Evans
9. Parker
10. Harris
Better fits w/Roy (defense and or shooting):
11. Kidd
12. Westbrook
13. Curry
14. Brooks
15. Calderon
16. Hinrich
More talented guys (but NOT better fits w/Roy)
17. Jennings
18. Davis
19. Felton
Guys who teams would reject offers of Miller for (ignoring salary constraints)
20. Collison
21. Lawson
22. Holiday
23. Stuckey
24. Nelson
Somewhere in the 20s is where I’d rank Miller. Theres only a handful of teams in the NBA (Indiana, Charlotte, ?) who would pursue Miller.
He’s a good player. He deserves to start in the NBA…but his style of play isn’t complementary to B.Roy. His defense is average at best and his outside shot is non-existent. He’s not good enough overall for the situation to work out with the Blazers.
Barring another move to the core, Miller MUST go before this team can contend for a title.
by lankownia on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd take a lot of those guys over Miller
fewer over Bayless.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
"better fits with Roy"
not only is this subjective, but is not nearly as important as “better fit for the team”.
Team > Roy
picture me rollin'
Yeah its subjective
but are you arguing that Roy isn’t a (or THE) key of this team?
I like Miller fine when Roy isn’t in there, but the team sort of depends on Roy to play 35 or more minutes to be at the contending level.
This^ (or, rather in the net techie jargon, ~This^)
attitude is maybe the first thing Cho should fix… Drives me crazy…
Roy has been elevated to god-like status here, understandably because he’s lifted a franchise from the Jail Blazer era to the first round playoff exit era, and because he’s hit dozens of clutch shots over the past few years… He’s clutch, and a good finisher… Brandon is a great player, a great teammate and citizen, and a great PIECE of a championship puzzle.
But Brandon is NOT, repeat NOT, a “THE key of this team” kind of guy. Guys like Kobe, LeBron, CP3 and several others around the league are talented enough to carry a team of nobodies. BRoy is not. Other players around the league (Duncan, other title winners) have accomplished enough to attain that lofty distinction. BRoy has not.
The problem is, Nate has also treated BRoy like an elite superstar, which has caused numerous problems with this team, most notably: (1) Trashing Dre’s arrival to this team by not combating Roy’s statement that he’d rather play with Blake, and more importantly (2) Designing a boring, stagnant iso offense because “it suits Brandon”.
A Championship Team is SO much >>>>>> Brandon it is not even funny.
I’d love to see Cho instill a true team mentality, and take Mr Roy aside and tell him he does not expect him ever again to publicly sabotage another new player’s introduction to the team.
And I’d love Cho to tell Nate the same thing – nobody is bigger than the team. Play the best people, Nate. And please, adjust your offensive schemes to the talent we’ve acquired.
And then, tell the trainers, go to Pheonix and figure out how to do your job right…
Cho does NOT have an easy job… Oh, and what should he do first?
Whatever Paul Allen asks him to do first….
Spend lots of time in Seattle sucking up to the Vulcans, Cho, it may be your only chance to succeed.
I’d love Cho to tell Nate the same thing – nobody is bigger than the team. Play the best people, Nate. And please, adjust your offensive schemes to the talent we’ve acquired.
McMillian would tell Rich that he’s already been doing this, and remind him who the coach is
I would hope Cho would acquire players that fit within Nate’s system, instead of pursuing more skinny/petulant Spaniards. Wesley Matthews was a good first step, even though that decision was made before RC came on board
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
This is the central question...
Is it the responsibility of the GM to get players that fit within a coach’s system
Or
Is it the responsibility of the coach to change his system to best utilize his team’s talents?
wish I could make a poll in a reply…
well, we know what it's been up to this point
Kevin and Paul selected the talent, and Nate “made it fit”
Millsap’s agent said as much 12 months ago. He said the Blazers didn’t even look at positions when targeting players, they just stockpiled BPAs
(OTOH, the Matthews signing was more surgical, he fits an exact roster need at the backup 2-3 and he plays tough defense like Nate prefers)
The Blazers have a lot of KP’s leftover “BPA assets” on their payroll, I’m hoping Cho will flip them for more “veteran experience”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Clearly, roster consolidation is needed...
And Nate has won the battle (at least for now, at least against KP).
But my question wasn’t as much what has happened, because we agree on that, but rather which style is more likely to result in a championship?
Spur's model is door #2
Pop is the coach and former GM, and Buford doesn’t experiment “outside the box” when acquiring talent. They are both on the same page and San Antonio has had repeatable success for decades
I suspect Nate will have more input with Cho as GM, but Paul Allen has his favorite players as well (quick PGs, which reminds me of how Al Davis likes to reach for the player with the fastest 40 time at the combine, every year) so there’s a built-in tension that’s led to “1st units” and “2nd units” with different styles and tempo. I don’t have faith that this schizo method of roster building will lead anywhere farther than where the Blazers have already been
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
no
I am arguing that the team is the key for this team.
Making personnel moves based only on how it affects Roy would be a huge mistake. Making decision based on whats better for the team is a better way to go.
picture me rollin'
We don't want to end up pulling a dan gilbert
and letting one star walk all over us.
not that broy would do that, but still
Golden State's new ownership has promised big changes. Get Stephon Curry.
Since I believe that they are going to build around Ellis and Lee, I think you make a hard push to get Stephon Curry. It would be very costly, but I think that he fits better than anyone. Nelson will be fired and having two players (Curry and Ellis) with very similar skills doesn’t work. Golden St. only has 11 players on the roster, so they are going to be looking for a trade to get more bodies on the roster. There are too many players on the Portland roster and we are looking to lose players in a 2 for 1 or a 4 for 2 trade.
I would love to get Curry, but I don't think they'd ever give him up.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Curry would be nice
but GS would deal Ellis before Curry. Plus they fit well together – at least on offense.
I don't think they have been able to find a taker for Ellis.
If you look at their roster, there is very little there to make “big changes.”
They are very, very thin a SF. Hmmm. We seem to have a big-time young player there and a backup in Babbitt who will be ready in a year. I’m thinking something like this…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28mv4ye
Golden St. has been rumored to want to get rid of Biedrins’ contract all off-season. I think this move makes them more competitive this year and helps them financially long-term. The Blazers also get a SF who will work in the short-term until Babbitt is ready.
by parkinglotj on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Biedrins would be the key
If they really want to dump him and are willing to pay to do it, that might be feasible.
I suspect GS could get more than Batum/Bayless, and Bayless is too similar to Ellis. but maybe…
agreed
Batum is too valuable and promising, plus he’s an excellent fit (defense and outside shooting) with the roster. He reminds me of Tayshaun Prince in many ways, and I mean that as a good thing. Maybe not quite as skilled, but more aggressive.
There a only a handful of players...
that I would like more than Batum. Curry is one of them.
by parkinglotj on Jul 21, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
I like both guys, but it seems unlikely that either one is going anywhere. Even with turmoil or a changeover in GS, they’ll move Ellis to someone like NY or Toronto before they give up Curry.
Curry has too much potential and immediate impact to move
The fans in the bay area are great… but how could they possibly put up with trading away a potential franchise PG when the team is rebuilding? It would be suicide for the new owners
I have read..
that if you take Biedrins out of Nelson’s system, he would be a very poor player. He was able to get that big check because he does fit. If Nelson is gone (and there are plenty of rumors that he is) Biedrins is not going to fit into a new system. Of course I could be terribly wrong.
by parkinglotj on Jul 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting point
It would seem that a shot-blocking/rebounding C would be desired by a lot of teams, but maybe he’s only backup-quality, making his contract onerous.
My guess is he'll make a consolidation trade.
Miller and Rudy are the 2 players most likely gone, in my opinion. I also think Pryz will be dealt at some point this year, but probably not until after the season has started and the team can evaluate the health of Oden.
The 2 targets are most likely Tony Parker or Devin Harris. I know there have been a lot of rumors about Chris Paul, but I just don’t see that one happening. I think the Blazers would prefer Parker, but that Harris is more attainable due to the Nets being in rebuilding mode while the Spurs are still competitors.
Overall, I think the factor that makes Parker most desirable to the Blazers is his finals experience.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
the "experience" factor is oft-cited as a desirable commodity
but everyone with a ring had a first ring. I’m not so sure this is a necessary prerequisite to a championship run….
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It's certainly not necessary, but more experience > less experience.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
agreed
but I would value fit over experience. TP doesn’t have that magic something missing at PG for the Blazers (45% 3-point shooting – heck, even 35% 3-pt shooting)….
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Parker or Harris
Would be an upgrade. I’d be happy to get either. However, its hard to envision NJ giving up Harris unless the Blazers gave them some significant assets. Including Harris, they have a nice young player at each spot (Harris/Lee/Williams/Favors/Lopez). The Blazers would need to not only find a salary match, but give NJ some young talent in return. Its hard to think of a mutually beneficial trade…maybe Miller/Fernandez/Babbit to start. As for the Spurs, I could see Fernandez/Przybilla & some other assets if Joel proves healthy…but you have to find a landing place for Miller, since I highly doubt the Spurs have a need for him with Hill around.
if you just want to jettison Miller - it wouldn't be that hard
he has a good contract.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
As for the Spurs, I could see Fernandez/Przybilla & some other assets if Joel proves healthy…but you have to find a landing place for Miller, since I highly doubt the Spurs have a need for him with Hill around
The Spurs will ask or Batum or LMA, minimum. They don’t need Joel or Andre for their ECs. If TP was acquired, Miller would have to be dealt to a 3rd team like Indy, and the resulting salaries shifting around would make LMA’s BYC easier to move. The Blazers would receive Parker and a backup PF in the deal, with Miller and Aldridge going to Indy and San Antonio
Will Cho come to a similar conclusion re: Parker, Miller and LMA? There’s no telling, but Rich is very familiar with making multi-team deals
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Mr. Cho's Top Three Tasks
First, he’s going to want to establish a safe and productive work environment. That means getting a crack team of security folks in to sweep his office for bugs and other surveillance equipment. Furthermore he needs to immediately seek out any potential allies to do battle with Miller, McMillan, Kolde, Allen, etc. In this he should be guided by the adage, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
Second, he needs to address the public image of the Blazers, which has lately taken a beating. As someone recently pointed out in the sidebar here, the chief concern for most fans is the BlazerDancers. Cho should probably lose no time scheduling interviews with each one of the team to assess their assets and determine whether they have what it takes to stay on.
Finally, his long-term project and most important job is to put his stamp on the organization. This can’t happen in a day, but he needs to start thinking about how to rid the team of the players acquired during the Pritchard years and retool the Blazers for success. Certainly, a number of the current players have some trade value, so even though there’s no cap room (yet) he’s got something to work with.
Good luck, Mr. Cho, and welcome aboard!
#52
How many times do I have to tell you
Now the Tom Penn and KP are gone the leaks have been plugged. No more bugs are needed.
Can't read all the posts right now and I am not sure if this has been mentioned
but consolidating talent is what we need to do most.
Hire a Medical Assessment Team
to thoroughly review the entire Blazer organization starting with the doctors, physical trainers, stretching programs, workout regimes, and anything and everything that could possibly explain the ungodly rash of injuries this team has suffered. This Assessment Team should make recommendations for the most current credible, practical and efficient ways to train and prepare for the long grind of each NBA season.
And he should see that the new medical appraisals are put into place immediately.
Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)
in OKC packing
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Speaking of Rudy, sounds like he better not get his hopes up for Europe
Only way Fernandez is not on Blazers’ roster at start of season is if he is traded. Team will not release him or “sell” his rights.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Some concerns here...
Matthews said he was open and up front when discussing desire to start during negotiation process with Portland.
Matthews said he considers himself an NBA starter. However, he understands his situation and will be professional.
Big part of the reason Matthews signed a five-year deal was in the hope he would eventually start for Portland.
Blazers will give Matthews the ability to pursue a starting position. It’s Nicolas Batum’s job to lose, but Matthews will have every chance.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
matthews for 6th man!
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt
by thomasikehara on Jul 21, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
re: "Big part of the reason Matthews signed a five-year deal was in the hope he would eventually start for Portland"
Who exactly would he take over for as a starter in the near future? The 25-year old franchise player or the 21-year old small forward with the prototypical body and loads of upside?
Unless of course we end up starting a PG-free lineup in the near future.
Hopefully, he will be happy with 25-30 minutes off the bench backing up both wing spots, and taking all the available starts when one or the other is injured.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Unless of course we end up starting a PG-free lineup in the near future.
That’s the only way I can see WesMath starting, and it wouldn’t be the end of the world if that’s the direction the team went. BRoy wants the ball in his hands? Fine, but he’d better step up his ball handling and improve his passing out of the double team.
Stealth > Wealth
Its a feasible lineup in crunch time
but to start with that lineup you’d be susceptible to double teams and full-court pressure. It would wear down Roy.
Batum or Matthews would need to make a leap in ability to dribble and facilitate to make it more than a 15 minute per game thing.
I think Matthews has in mind playing NEXT to Brandon and Nic.
Would that work?
We’ll see, I’m sure.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
This is not going to be Andre Miller part 2
the kid has high aspirations, but he doesn’t strike me as the kind who will go “all Rudy Fernandez” if he doesn’t get an opportunity to start. Matthews is more like Bayless, keep that carrot out in front of him and he’ll keep grinding ’til he gets it
Besides, Brandon and Nic haven’t exactly been 82 game starters recently. So Wesley is on deck in case either Roy or Batum get dinged up, again. The Blazer’s depth at wing just went from a concern to a strength in 7 short days
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I agree
I’m concerned, but only mildly so. I hope and believe Wesley will embrace a 6th man role for this team, being the primary backup for both wing positions, and starting 20 or so games this year in place of either Roy or Batum. As long as he can do that effectively and consistently, which I believe he can, it is a MAJOR upgrade over the wildly inconsistent and less multi-dimensional Rudy and Martell (and Bayless when playing a the 2).
One thing he brings I really like is that high-energy, all-out, never stop hustling type of play to the court. the PTB really have lacked that in their rotation lately, and that is the kind of thing that can rub off on others and make everyone better. Dante has it, but doesn’t play much. But far too many of the rest of our rotation players last year are more “laid back” (for lack of a better term) on the court. Energy infusion should help.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Collison-Ford-Miller
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29mf2gg
3 way trade gets the Blazers a younger PG who can hit 3s (40% last year) and distribute the ball (19ppg, 9 assists as a starter) plus a veteran swingman to backup 2/3 (not that they need another)
Hornets do it to rid themselves of Posey’s contract next year and to address desperate need for wings/shooting with Fernandez.
Hornets have no need for Miller, but he’d be a solid fit in Indiana – who have TJ Ford’s expiring deal to offer. The pacers might even throw in a draft pick or two to New Orleans.
The Blazers asking for Collison in exchange for Fernandez was suggested here:
I would not start Collison over Andre Miller.
And plus that trade gives us even more players! that seems to be the opposite direction of where we want to go
agree about consolidating players
I’d view Posey as the cost to pay for adding Collison. I think Collison would be an enormous upgrade to Miller. If not instantly, then certainly over the next few years.
wouldn't it make more sense...
…to just leave Indy out of the deal and include Bayless instead of Miller? Once you get Collison, keeping Bayless is long-term redundant. Ride with Miller/Collison for a year or two, then DC takes over. Posey is nice wing insurance in case of injury, and he provides veteran finals experience.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
i realize the salaries don't work in this scenario, I'm just throwing out thoughts here
you can always work on matching later.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I like that a lot better
Salaries would have to be sorted out… but Collison isn’t ready to start for a contender. Miller would be a great teacher for him if they were both here… but I just don’t see the point of that. Posey’s experience could be had from eddie house or kurt thomas, who seem like better fits for the team anyway. Another wing player just isn’t needed
Its a matter of opinion
…but I don’t think Miller is ready to start for a contender either. (While I’m sure he’d do well on Boston or Orlando, who wouldn’t.)
Miller seems like the perfect fit for a contender
He’s a veteran who’s hungry for a championship, his game is all about getting other players involved, and he plays within himself. He doesn’t try to do things he can’t, like shoot the 3. Obviously if he could shoot it that would be awesome, but he finds other ways to get it done.
Thats a pretty rosey outlook
There aren’t many distributing point guards who can’t shoot on championship teams. Miller doesn’t exactly exude hunger for a championship, nor does he exhibit the defense that most championship teams have at the position. For most contending teams, Miller would be a serious downgrade.
I like miller in our system
obviously there are contenders with better PGs (Utah, LA, Boston, Milwaukee) but there are also others with worse. Too much focus is being placed on Miller’s shortcomings when really that wasn’t what stopped the team from beating the Suns.
Agreed
It wasn’t lost vs. the Suns, but then again thats pretty irrelevant. If this team wants to contend for an NBA title it needs a better fit at PG.
The list of teams that would prefer Miller to their PG is pretty short. I’d say it goes:
1. Indiana
2. Charlotte
3. ….
ummm
maybe Cleveland? Miami probably wouldn’t mind even though he’s a bad fit…
can’t think of anyone in the west. Memphis perhaps…
Thats about 6 teams, for a guy who has a pretty reasonable contract.
I see what you're saying.
He’s no superstar. But he’s the right fit with a team that can score from any other position. Just because other teams don’t want him doesn’t mean we shouldn’t either.
Thats true
…I just don’t see him as a good fit here. He was more valuable last season with Brandon out then he’ll ever be again.
In terms of fit with the team, I don’t like his age, his personality or his skill set. The rest of the roster is nearly set, but there is a major need for A) perimeter defense and B) outside shooting. Miller has to be the guy that moves to improve this lineup.
I think we should wait and see on the perimeter defense.
Roy and Batum have the potential to be an excellent defensive tandem on the wings (Roy was a stellar defender at UW). Miller’s defensive liabilities can be hidden by this.
I also think there will be better 3 point shooting from the bench this year with Rudy getting less PT.
I can’t argue that there isn’t a better PG we could add, but it doesn’t seem as though it would be worth sacrificing our depth for one at this point. As we see how the team does this season one of us will change their mind!
Roy hasn't shown it in the NBA
Anyway, you prefer to let him freelance and try to get steals than man up. Not to mention – get some rest so that he can carry more on offense.
Swapping Matthews in for Rudy/Martell is a big defensive upgrade and hopefully not a huge loss in 3 shooting.
Moving Miller for a better fit at PG doesn’t have to cost much or any depth. More likely, it costs some young assets or maybe some luxury tax $.
Matthews is a good shooter.
Great at Marquette and solid in Utah, should be better than Rudy’s showing this year, and his dribbling is better than martell’s, so defenders will have to respect the drive which will give him more space to shoot.
costing young assets sounds a lot like costing depth to me…
Matthews shot 37%,32%,29%, and 44%
from COLLEGE 3. Thats far from great. Its not bad, but he’s not Peja Stojakovic.
Rudy had an awful year but we know he’s a 40% shooter from 3. Martell is 37% from 3 for his career. Matthews is unlikely to exceed these guys.
Trust me, I’m a huge fan of Matthews, but he’s not perfect.
……….
Depth doesn’t win championships. If you can upgrade the guy who plays 35-40 mpg you sacrifice the guys who play 5-10 mpg. Anyway, people like Kopponen, Freeman, Babbit, etc can be dealt without impacting the quality of this years team (or probably the next couple years).
Those guys are very movable
but who wants them? and who would give us a PG better than Dre for them? even packaged with Dre I don’t see it working well right now. The trade deadline could be the right time to upgrade though. I just don’t see it happening now.
Wes has the potential to be a more complete player than Peja, but no he isn’t perfect. He excels at wing defense and that left corner 3. Marquette’s set plays didn’t have him shooting from there since he could penetrate and either score or dish to Lazar or their role players. Ours can set him up there and his percentages will go up.
Not saying you get CP3 for them
Just saying better PG can be had without giving up anything significant pieces. A combination of Miller (expiring contract), willingness to take on salary obligations ($), and some of the assets described above could land you a player like Harris/Parker/Collison/Hinrich. Perhaps not quite all-star caliber…but progress for the team.
I just don't like those guys more than MIller on this team.
Harris is my favorite NBA player. I’ve followed him since his freshman year at Wisconsin (I lived there). but other than him i’d take miller over all those guys for sure.Devin doesn’t fit the system anyway (although I’d love to see him in Rip City)
Harris
Agree that he doesn’t fit the offense either (w/o the outside J), but hes a better overall player and a far better defender than Miller. Parker’s just a better player, and he knows how to work with Ginobili, who in some ways is similar to Roy.
I know people like Miller here. He’s an OK player and maybe even better than Collison/Hinrich in a vacuum. But I’ll take their fit on this team over Miller’s overall abilities in a second.
Miller and Roy can make it work
I think they did last year, but with all the injuries it was definitely hard to tell. Tony is good, but if you take him away from Pop and Tim Duncan he’ll be a different player than he was in SA.
Of course thats just speculation, but i’d rather not find out if I’m right by bringing him to Ptown
perhaps...
but I don’t think NO really wants a young PG when they have CP3. They’d be more inclined to add a SF or C.
I think Bayless is a pretty different player. I’m not sure he’ll ever be more than a scoring combo guard off the bench.
I do agree that having Posey doesn’t hurt.
Blazers would have to give up a significant contract to take back Posey. Bayless isn’t big enough.
Hollinger posted a hypothical trade on twitter.
He was basically suggesting Collison, Posey, and Wright for Bayless, Rudy, and Pryzbilla.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Better for Hornets
than Blazers IMO. Bayless does them almost as much good as Collison. Rudy more value than Wright. PBilla more value than Posey (for both teams)….I can’t see the Blazers pulling the trigger on this considering Oden/Camby are so injury prone.
What about taking Posey and Pryz out of the deal? Just Bayless and Rudy for Wright and Collison.
I think it’s a pretty decent deal for both teams, but they could probably get better offers for Collison from other teams.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
That makes sense
Collison probably has more overall value than Bayless, but Rudy is enough to make the difference.
The Blazers consolidate a bit. The Hornets add Rudy without sacrificing too much in the exchange of quality young PG prospects. Plus Bayless would seem a better fit playing alongside Paul.
I like that offer.
Especially when Collison proves he’s better than Miller and sends Andre to the bench.
Agreed
Miller is fine where he’s at
Paul Allen's a Doucher
by DJRazorburn on Jul 22, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Mortimer told me he wants some male Blazers dancer
In both regular and junior
by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2010 12:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Very clever, tom... adding a note right after your new login name posts another (yawn) bash Dre one...
But you can’t throw us off the track again…
has anyone seen lankownia and chinafanheartsroy in the same place?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Just because some people have the same opinion doesn't mean they're the same person.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
I know, just having a little fun, and re-running my take...
when chinafanheartsroy was around…
If I got something to say about anything I'll do it as tominhawaii
I don’t need to pretend to be anyone else to tell the truth. And I don’t need to pretend to be anyone else to talk out my butt. I am who I am and that’s all that I am.
by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Let team jell, at least until mid-season.
If at midseason, a position needs upgrading, players will be available (as usual) for expiring contracts. If players don’t want to be here (i.e., Rudy), get first round picks for them not more back-up players who will be unhappy with their minutes.
Rudy Rudy Rudy
Got to do something with Rudy. Either trade him or release him to Europe. Whatever happens, we need to find a backup 2 guard. I think Roger Mason fits the bill quite nicely. He can shoot the 3 and handle the ball. Mason and Bayless would be a nice combo off the bench along with Mathews.
The Blazers still have the BAE available. I think they should go after Mason and get him on a short contract after Rudy’s situation is resolved.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
First decision:
Do I want red or black monogrammed oven mitts from the Knicks for Rudy Fernandez?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
If Rudy goes to the Knicks, it has to be for at least their next available 1st round pick
Cho has to show he won’t take anyone’s crap. It’s like prison: Beat someone unconscious the first day with a chair, or everyone will try to take advantage of you.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 21, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roster consolidation. Too many guards.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
Any Interest in Kapono?
Do we have any interest in adding someone like Jason Kapono for his three-point sharp shooting abilities – especially if we dump Rudy? ESPN is reporting that Philly is open to moving him. He also has a ring with Miami…
http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/18437/latest-buzz-rj-shaq-t-mac-more
Head cases
Please Cho take an inventory of all head cases and work a deal my list: Greg Oden, Andre Miller, and Rudy. All off these guys are a little off when it comes to good team chemistry and an us vs them mentality. Greg not showing any interest in the team during his injury and Rudy checking out on the court are the big red flags that stand out for me. And Andre just doesn’t sink well with Nate and if your point guard and coach don’t see eye to eye you are in trouble. I don’t think the big shouting match will ever disappear with Nate and I think he wants Andre gone.
Are you in the locker room?
I feel like a player who gripes occasionally isn’t necessarily a head case or a chemistry problem. Rudy, obviously, is an issue right now. but Miller is a veteran presence we need and Greg is crucial to our success on the court. Unless I’m wrong and they are problems in the locker room, Miller and Oden don’t seem like head cases to me.
Add a better backup PF
Am I the only one feeling uneasy about the quality of work at the PF position when Aldridge is on the bench?
back-up
PG: we’re good- Bayless
SG: we’re good- Matthews
SF: we’re good- Cunningham
C: we’re good- Oden/Camby
PF: uhhhh- Pendergraph?
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