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The Hoops Market translates a story from an Italian publication Il Resto del Carlino.
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Patrick Mills has an offer from Virtus Bologna to leave the NBA, and play in Europe next season.
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Also in international Blazers news, Rudy Fernandez did an interview with El Mundo Deportivo in which he says that he would like to reach an agreement with Portland that releases him to play in Europe next season. Check out the translation over at HoopsHype.

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Rudy doesn't like Nate's offense

and that makes 2 of us

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Jul 20, 2010 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I am with you there

but nate is the coach and Rudy is the player.

Rudy is also mad because Bayless got the starting nod.

I get why Rudy is not happy, it just does not make me happy to here him griping about in the media.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

there

were a lot of times last year when rudy was open at the 3pt line and the pg would either look him off or not find him. Bayless isnt a pg and miller has a tendency to look to push the ball inside as well as look for his own shot.

by BBG on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

bring back Sergio?

A large percentage of Rodriguez’ assists went to Rudy when the 2 of them were on the floor. Did that make the Blazers a better team, or just the Spanish Armada more exciting to watch?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think rudy

was a victim of the chaos that ensued last year from the injuries to the 3 guard lineups and coming back from his injury. If rudy goes it leaves the team with a lack of shooters. I think he can return to the way he played in his rookie year but the blazers need a back up pg that is an actual point guard.

by BBG on Jul 20, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

If rudy goes it leaves the team with a lack of shooters

Bayless and Batum shot better than Fernandez and Webster from downtown, from Feb-April. Matthews shot 38% as a rookie. I expect Roy to improve in this area as well, now that he has his legs back up under him. Obviously Babbitt was drafted with long-range shooting in mind, and Luke could be inserted into late-game (come-from-behind offensive) scenarios as a sniper, similar to James Jones

I agree that the Blazers need a veteran PG in case of injury, and I would’ve preferred that they had offered Keyon Dooling the BAE, because of his outside shooting skill, but he just signed with the Bucks. They could opt to keep deep-shooting Patty Mills around, but I suspect they’ll go with Armon Johnson, instead

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

NBAstard doesn't like Rudy's offense

and that makes 2 of us

If what I just commented turns out to be wrong, please delete from all memory.

by NBAstard on Jul 20, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty tough to appreciate after last year, so that officially makes two of us

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 20, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He sure makes it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt

When he talks to every paper in every single country in the world in the “Ruin my Trade Value” Tour ’10.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt. We just need to start a pool for what day Rudy gets choed to the door...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take July 22 for $1.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I think there are a lot more than 3 people who don't like Nate's offense...

Which is truly offensive… But (sigh), I guess we’ll all have to live with it for another year…. And then, either he’ll have shown some growth, win a playoff series, and be rewarded with a new deal, or he’ll be gone… So this year, I’m not sure what to do. Root for a demise so we get rid of Sarge? Or hope we win it all… Sigh, what’s a fan to do? (The worst of all worlds, IMO, is that we do marginally better, eke out one playoff win, and are then stuck with Sarge another few years, while all of our young talent atrophies from underuse.)

I will not be at all surprised if Rudy get shis contract bought out.
I will also not be surprised if NY ends up with him – a system like D’Antoni’s is made for a guy like Rudy…

But Rudy’s demise is another huge reason why I think Nate should have already been fired…

by Visionary2 on Jul 20, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I used to be on the replace Nate bandwagon. His substitution patterns and who he decided

to start, seeming lack of leadership in bowing to the 25yr old “star’s” wishes…instead of being able to communicate the benefits of playing off the ball…and his offense…and seeming slow to make in game adjustments…BUT…I think he improved last year. The guy takes his time about it but he did improve.
And he did decide to hire some new assistant coaches. Or someone did…anyway, am happy not to have Deano around anymore.
So maybe he is open to actual moving offense.
If the team isn’t racked with injuries I think we will see what Nate can really do.
Hopefully, Nate won’t have the injury excuse.

by Natsthecat on Jul 20, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should at least trade Rudy

though I suppose this would drive his value through the floor.

by GMan83201 on Jul 20, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

It is also possible that it makes his contract = cap savings

If you assume that you can trade Rudy to a team with the assumption that the team and Rudy will both agree to waive the contract. If a European team is involved, they would pay the NBA team to let Rudy out of his contract.

Therefore, the NBA team would both get salary cap relief and monetary compensation from the European team. As part of a package deal, there is potential value.

There was some good insight into how this works in a previous thread:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/7/14/1570054/panathinikos-3-years-18-3-million#42085051

by grigs on Jul 20, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it would give any cap relief

but if he wants out bad enough a team with cap space and a cheap owner could possibly make some money on him… who do we want off the Clippers? lol

by Escrote on Jul 20, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

only in the purest sense of the word

as Rudy is on a minimum contract…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's on a rookie contract, not a minimum

$1,246,680 according to Storyteller site.

Still, not large cap savings, but could be useful as a small chip combined with money from Europe (and maybe Paul Allen) to smooth out a deal.

by grigs on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Splendid

So, now not only has he let us, the fans, down by failing to become what he could have. But now by publicly announcing his desire to leave the NBA, has driven his value down to 0.

I will be surprised if we are even able to get a draft pick for him now.

by TrailBlazer4Life on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll still take that pair of monogrammed oven mitts........

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Patty would be Petteri's teammate?

I bet I know which one would be the PG…

by meru on Jul 20, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Can we let Rudy play in Europe but keep his rights?

They would then be a tradeable asset. What happened with Memphis and the rights to Navarro?

by meru on Jul 20, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

no

you can only have draft rights to an overseas player. Once they are under contract, they either have to play for you or you can release them. Navarro was released or bought out.

by atomiccafe on Jul 20, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure about that?

Can you link me to an official statement?

by meru on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

So how did that whole Josh Childress thing work?

He played in the NBA for a few years, went overseas, yet Atlanta still held his rights (until he was traded to Phoenix recently).

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Jul 20, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was a free agent, not under contract

He didn’t like what Atlanta offered so he went overseas. Doesn’t apply to Rudy’s situation.

by grigs on Jul 20, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

So why did Atlanta hold his rights?

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Jul 20, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Childress was a FREE agent, how does Atlanta have his "rights"?

I thought free agent meant just that…he left to go play overseas, yet Atlanta still held his rights..even though he was a free agent.
I should look up what free agent means..always thought it meant the team no longer had rights to the player.

by Natsthecat on Jul 20, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

he was a restricted free agent

after playing the 4 years of his rookie contract, Atlanta tendered him the required qualifying offer, making him a restricted free agent and giving them the right to match any offer from another NBA team. They also started negotiating a long-term deal with him. Childress didn’t like what they were willing to offer, and either didn’t get better offers from other NBA teams, or didn’t want to take them knowing that Atlanta would just match. So he went overseas instead.

Every summer since then, Atlanta reissued him the required qualifying offer to keep him as their restricted free agent. This summer, he worked out a deal with them to sign and trade him to Phoenix.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

So the statement that "he wasn't under contract" wasn't necessarily true.

Seems like the required qualifying offer is a form of contract that doesn’t allow him to just come back and sign with any team as he pleases.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Jul 20, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

so does a qualifying offer = a roster space?

if mills did not make our roster and went to italy would we be restricted to 14 players since we extended to offer? Or if he signs that contract does that make his NBA contract void since it was only a qualifying offer?

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

not really

since the player is not under contract, no roster space is consumed. However, during the summer, the team does have a salary cap hold on it’s books for the QO amount.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

by extending the qualifying offer

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

And we could do the same thing to Rudy

After his current deal expires and whenever he came back to the NBA, he would have to come through us.

In KP I trusted!

by LaoTzu on Jul 20, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

his deal doesn't expire until after 2011-12 though

hard to see him sitting here two more seasons before that scenario unfolds – CBA changes notwithstanding

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Blazers have not yet picked up the contract for 2011-12

But they have for 2010-11, i.e. the third year of his four year rookie deal.

by Norsktroll on Jul 20, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

right, but...

The premise I was presented with by LaoTzu was to keep Rudy’s rights indefinately while he plays in Europe. The only way that can happen under the current CBA is to pick up that 4th year and then put a QO out to him in summer 2012.

Obviously we could refuse to pickup the 11-12 year, but then he would immediately be unrestricted after 10-11 and we have no way of retaining his rights going forward. Considering we have to decide on 11-12 by Oct. 31 of 2010, unless we’ve traded him or agreed to a buyout before then, there is no way we decline the option. It’s just too cheap a contract to let him walk for nothing after this year.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Blazers are pretty PO's

They said they wouldn’t let him walk for nothing; they wouldn’t go for a buy out and if they can’t trade him he can sit on the bench and rot until his contract expires. So, physically he might still be a Blazer, but I think he shot any chances of being in the rotation, not because he wants to play in Spain or has a list of the teams he wants to play with, but his refusal to shoot in the play-offs and when the game was almost over he drained all those 3’s. That is what I am angry about.

hg

by BBK on Jul 22, 2010 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

he wasn't under contract

the Hawks presented him with the CBA-mandated Qualifying Offer. He never signed it, which would have turned it into a 1-year contract. QO =/= contract

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

all that is required to maintain NBA restricted Free Agent rights

is to extend the qualifying offer every year. If you do that, then you have the right to match any NBA offers for the restricted free agent. The player in question can respond in several ways:

1) sign the QO, which becomes a 1-year contract. After that time you may (if you have 3 years of NBA service) become an unrestricted free agent following the season
2) sign an offer sheet with another team, which your team has a right to match
3) negotiate a contract with your current team
4) play in another league

if the player does 4, then the team who owns his NBA rights can continue to put forth a QO every year and the choice starts all over again.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

so it is in patty's hands

I thought the qualifying offer meant that he still had to perform his way onto the roster, he had to qualify…

This does not make much sense to me. If it is just a matter of patty signing the deal why wouldn’t he. He obviously wants that roster spot, we have extended an offer…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Patty's Qualifying Offer is probably not guaranteed,

so if he signs it he is stuck here in limbo (can’t sign with anyone else in Europe for instance) but the Blazers can still cut him in October which hampers his ability to get a deal elsewhere.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

I would imagine that will be a minor topic at least in the CBA…

if he does not sign it, another team has to match…

if he does sign it we can cut him…but then he will be free to be picked up by another team if we cut him?

I would sign and force the Blazers to cut me then so another could pick me up…wouldn’t you?

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's what he did last year

we wanted him to sign overseas, but after he broke his foot, he signed our 1-year tender to force us to either keep him on the 15-man roster or cut him, making him unrestricted. Now we are back in the same boat essentially.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

it is all starting to make sense to me, I still think the Players Union ought to take a look at this format…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

the union wants to get rid of restricted free agency entirely

which would make all the “qualifying offer” stuff essentially go away.

not sure how high up their list of priorities that is going to be though

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NBPA will lose that battle, for sure.

Oh, and if that’s on its list, I can pretty much presume that the NBA will be locked out the entire 2011-2012 season.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

not sure if it's on their list for this fight

but I know they’ve been talking about it for years. It could be one of the first things they drop (they should, it’s so limited already, it’s not worth fighting about)

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

And really, that's a battle the union should lose

It would suck if guys can walk from a team 4 years after being drafted. It would be even harder for the smaller markets to compete.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

if I recall, the CBA previous to 1999 had this – which is what allowed Shaq to just walk away from Orlando back in 1996. Come 1999, and revised in 2005, the league really tried to give the advantage to the hometown team. I think the balance struck has been a pretty fair one to both sides. Players can still walk after 5 years if they are willing to leave a little bit of money and security on the table. So far, most haven’t been willing.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt

at least their should be a heavy incentive for players to stay.

The problem is the players are subject to trade at a moments notice, I get why they want some control come contract time…

It is a tough balance…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, restricted free-agency will be a bargaining chip.

It is very, very doubtful the owners will give it up. But it is something the Blazers have to consider this summer because if they don’t extend Greg Oden before Nov 1 he becomes a restricted free agent July 1. So if the new CBA eliminated restricted free agency, Oden could become an unrestricted free agent under the new CBA unless there was a grandfather clause for a year or more.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would think

there would have to be grandfather clause if it does go away.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

2007 draft guys

others who might be in the same boat if not extended this summer:
Al Horford
Jeff Green
Corey Brewer
Joakim Noah
Rodney Stuckey
Aaron Brooks

there are others as well, less notable. But that’s a chunk of owners who would want to be protected by a grandfather clause.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, for at least one year anyway

so teams won’t lose their players because the CBA expired when they couldn’t possibly know the new CBA rules. However, bad things can and do happen while negotiating deals as complex as a CBA with so many parties having special issues.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

re: not guaranteed

I read that as well. By terms of the CBA, we have until July 23rd to withdraw our offer, making him unrestricted. This could be what the media is (as an oversimplification and not technically accurate) reporting as “not guaranteed”, or maybe there is some other provision – I’m not sure.

After July 23, we can only withdraw our offer with his consent, which he might well agree to if he has a definite offer from another NBA team. If he wants to sign in Europe, we would not withdraw our offer so as to retain his rights going forward. But of course we run the risk of him signing the QO like he did last year and forcing us to either keep him or waive him, making him unrestricted.

My guess is we will decide by the 23rd whether to withdraw the offer or not, but maybe we will play chicken again and hope he goes to Europe.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd guess we will not withdraw the offer and hope he goes to Europe.

If he signs the offer we can just cut him later since the contract is probably not guaranteed. So withdrawing the offer or cutting him after he signs it is the same for us, he becomes an unrestricted free agent. We just have more time to decide if we don’t withdraw the offer.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that is right

The Blazers had to offer him a qo to get him in the summer league since he was a free agent and finishing a one year non guaranteed contract. That stops him from signing overseas and other teams can give him a qo which the blazers has the right to match, until after Oct then he can go where he chooses.

That is also why they want to get rid of Rudy and make room for both Johnson and Mills. This is not a guaranteed prospective, but just my opinion LOL.

hg

by BBK on Jul 22, 2010 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

why they want to get rid of Rudy and make room for both Johnson and Mills

I’m not sure that keeping 4 PGs (three of whom have little/no experience in the NBA) is the best strategy for a team that is supposed to be trying to advance far in the post season

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Navarro

I think DraftExpress lists him under “rights held”. Is that just a mistake then? (Maybe they still think it’s 2006)

by meru on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Navarro was a 2nd round pick and only played 1 year in the NBA

thus, the team holding his rights can keep him as a restricted free agent (for NBA purposes), by offering him the required qualifying offer each year.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Douglast...

Your name should be Doug"first"!! Your 1 smart mo-nucka!! Any moniker with Doug in it is cool with me, my uncles name is Doug, and hes cool, so Ive always liked the name!

The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

by cavejunctionblazer on Jul 20, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Memphis Grizzlies once held non-Bird rights on Juan Carlos Navarro. That's because he ...

was tendered a qualifying offer in the summer of 2008, so the team held RFA status on him; yet, he was finally renounced in 2009 to clear some cap space. So yeah, Navarro was never bought out and waived; thus, his ordeal isn’t an example of the current situation with Rudy Fernandez. Again, actual past examples of Fernandez’s current situation — in the case he and the team sign off on a mutually agreed upon a full termination of his contract — would be Vassilis Spanoulis, Arvydas Macijauskas, Antoine Rigaudeau, et al.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, Juan Carlos Navarro had a one-year contract with Memphis; he left for Europe via free agency.

Yet, actual examples of this include Vassilis Spanoulis, Arvydas Macijauskas, Antoine Rigaudeau, et al.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

careful with the stereotypes, I got warned yesterday for saying all asians are mathletes*.

*This statement did not reflect my true feelings and was only a failed attempt at humor.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Jul 20, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

It’s not a stereotype, it’s the truth. I even axed Google.

go to: www.google.com

then type in: french military victories

Then hit: I feel lucky

by tominhawaii on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

(sigh)

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

that just made my day

"I have contract with Portland.... I have contract with Portland... I have contract with Portland." - Rudy Fernandez

by Kroes32 on Jul 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty funny gag.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

well Napoleon had some success,

of course, that’s been a while. Didn’t they behead anyone with a known IQ over, say 110 in the French revolution…. not a great idea…. Of course, the smartest learned to get “common” real quick.
JUST PLAYIN (mostly).

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Jul 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

if saying the French surrender

gets you warned, then this blog isn’t worth being a part of. It’s like saying Americans are overweight…. would that get me warned/banned? If so, then please ban me because I no longer need to be here

picture me rollin'

by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm American.

So…I’m overweight then?

Bad analogy.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obesity by country: Link

Maybe it’s not a bad analogy. Maybe you just had a poor rebuttal.

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by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I should say not, my good friend.

I simply find over-generalizations and stereotyping to be tacky and indicative of a lacking imagination. If your objective is to come off like a baboon, do carry on.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that a gross over-generalization?

Stereo-types can actually be pretty accurate, if you take the time to leave the country and see how others live. After living in Japan for a few years, I found it generally true that a lot of Japanese people smoke, and coming back to the States I was amazed that A LOT of Americans are obese. These are two over-generalizations found by the web site linked above.

by FrederickT1 on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

"A LOT of Americans are obese" is different than saying "Americans are overweight"

One is a personal observation, the other an over generalization.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the context...

Americans ARE, on average, overweight to obese. That doesn’t mean that every American is overweight, but it does mean that for every American that isn’t overweight, there is another that is so overweight that they make up the difference and then some. It’s a statistical fact.

by superfly05 on Jul 20, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it doesn't

That doesn’t logically follow. Mathematically, if the average American is overweight, 300,000,000+ Americans underweight and 1 really, really heavy American.

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by TheGreatMon on Jul 20, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check up on what the word generalization means

Adding over says only something about you. Nothing more.

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by hobobob on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent two cents added, kind sir.

You have elevated the discussion to total nit-pickery.

Rich Rolled

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

in one word, answer me this: Are Americans over-weight?

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by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You seem determine to boil complex concepts into convenient catch phrases.

If you were to state that, given the fore mentioned data, Americans have a higher percentage of obesity, I wouldn’t bat a lash. But you said “Americans are overweight”, which is not only over-simplifying the topic, it also isn’t technically accurate.

I’m American. I’m not “overweight”. Neither are many other Americans. Therefore your statement is false. The problem with stereotyping is that it lacks nuance. The world isn’t black and white.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

the technicality police are in the building

next time I will say “30.6% of Americans are overweight which is significantly higher than 2nd place Mexico.” Hope it wont offend you next time.

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by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not offended. Far from it.

Just very disappointed with the amount of stereotyping I’ve seen on this forum the last couple days.

 

Rich Rolled

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

and yet, you repeatedly identified it as a generalization

 meaning that you are the one guilty of omitting the component that makes his statement work. It’s the implicit generalization that one must be intentionally ignorant of.

Some things must be implied from a base of inter-subjective meaning. That’s where the nuance exists. But, to constantly explicate all nuance would immediately grind all discourse to a halt. It’s clear that you don’t like the use of stereotypes, but you’re making no consequential claims against them.

You’re losing this argument and badly.

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by hobobob on Jul 20, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I like big ... Rebuttals

And I’ll tell you why.

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by LaoTzu on Jul 20, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

They curve and protrude just how the ladies like 'em.

My ankles aren’t fat either; Tom is jealous ever since his wife saw me in ankle socks.

Morty

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by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everybody knows his ankles look bloated like that because he eats too much salt...

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

In defense of the French,

nobody really knew how bad the Nazis were at the time. The true ugliness and scope of their goals were unknown for many years. Land grabs were fairly common for many generations in the Old World, and the French had no reason to suspect that this time was going to be anything new. The German soldiers were nice enough, and truth be told, many French citizens were unhappy with their government and welcomed a change.

So feel free to tow the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” line if you want to reinforce the Ugly American stereotype (in my experience, the notion that we’re stupid is far more popular than the idea that we’re obese), but if anybody wants to read an amazing book written by a Russian-born, French Jewish woman during the evacuation of Paris and subsequent German occupation, check out “Suite Française”, by Irene Némirovsky. It’s a work of fiction written while Némirovsky was evading capture. She was eventually found and executed in Auschwitz, her novel lost until the ’90’s when it was recovered and printed. It is unfinished, but what is there illuminates the situation in France leading up to the signing of the Armistice, and the immediate consequences. Perhaps the most amazing thing about this remarkable book is Némirovsky’s efforts to humanize the invading army.

Sorry to get all serious, but I get sick of people trying to get cute by bashing the French for the Armistice. The French are an amazing people with a gorgeous country and rich history…if you care to look.

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by 500dogs on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Hmmmmmmm. Nobody knew by 1940, huh?
In defense of the French,
nobody really knew how bad the Nazis were at the time.

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

KRISTALLNACHT (November 10, 1938)

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

“This decision to systematically kill the Jews of Europe was made either by the time of or at the Wannsee conference, which took place in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942”

From Wiki

I didn’t know about Kristallnacht, and chances are many Frenchmen didn’t either at the time of the occupation (information being what it was). The wall of silence surrounding the events of the Holocaust is astounding. The people of the city of Dachau had no idea of the experiments and torture that going on in the prison facility that was right at their doorstep. They had to be given a tour by the liberating army before they would believe it.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 20, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

"The Myth of the Model Minority"

Point is, any stereotype based on race, even if it’s a generally positive stereotype, is a form of racism. See also “the Noble Savage.”

by VTDuck on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

it may be a form of racism

but it doesn’t dispute the validity of the stereotype. I don’t think people should go around being prejudicial, but I also think you can’t ignore observable phenomena because of worrying about appearing racist.

by superfly05 on Jul 20, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But is it race?

Let’s say, to use the example of “mathletes,” that a greater percentage of Asian people seem to perform better at math than Europeans (a highy debatable claim, by the way, not to mention the problem of lumping together all the distinct peoples inhabiting the territories that we call “Asia”). Is that due to genetic identity, or to cultural conditioning? Malcolm Gladwell, in Outliers, makes the case that mathematical proficiency among some Asian cultures has more to do with a heritage of rice farming, which requires considerable mathematical precision, than with genetics. To say that some people come from cultures that place greater emphasis on mathematics is not racist. To say that Asians are genetically predisposed to succeed at math does seem racist.

by VTDuck on Jul 20, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's getting off-topic...let's just agree to drop it

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by blzrfan on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

rotflmao

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by antediluvian on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Persistent stereotypes relate more to culture than race.

Good point.

It’s worth noting these important differences, as they make the use of stereotypes and the understanding of them as valuable social tools.

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by hobobob on Jul 20, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surprise

Thanks for the update, but I don’t think that either one of these stories is surprising to me. Both players come from overseas, but Rudy is a hero in Spain. Why did he leave in the first place? Patty just wants the guaranteed playing time, which may not come in Italy.

by boomboom88 on Jul 20, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

He left to be a hero in the NBA...

…and he pretty much was, his rookie year.

by meru on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember one game last year.

It was a blow out and one of Patty’s only appearances during the season. With the clock ticking its final seconds, the crowd began chanting “Cha-lu-pa! Cha-lu-pa!!”…. with possession and about 4 seconds left on the clock (shot clock turned off), Patty set up for a Chalupa-clinching 3-ball. Only problem he was set up about 5 feet out of bounds.

Ju-Ho wasted no time going over to Patty and expressing his disappointment with the shot attempt. One can only assume that Juwan was disappointed about not getting a chance at a free Chalupa. He might also be disappointed with Patty for taking a very unnecessary shot with 3 seconds left up by double-digits. We’ll never know for sure.

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by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not about bad shot

Ju-Ho wasn’t concerned about the bad shot position, (according to Mike&Mike) it was that teams in a blowout don’t take the last shot, they hold the ball, regardless if the crowd is chanting. He got a talking to…but not because of his ball skills.

by natey1 on Jul 20, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to be a big Rudy fan...

Now, not so much. I don’t think the Blazers should just give him away. A deal’s a deal. Rudy owes it to the team to play as hard and as well as he can as long as he’s got a contractual obligation. I don’t think he did that last year and that’s what cooled me on him. I’m sure it very tough to come off of the bench and be expected to do nothing but defend and hit 3’s, but that’s his job description at this point. I’m not a fan of our offense, either. But that’s what we (and Rudy) are stuck with. Fans have to suck it up and support the team even though we may not like the coaching style. Rudy should have done the same.

by kuhnsmith on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Rudy is getting paid to act professionally

fans don’t have to like Nate’s coaching style, although they do need to suck it up if they still want to watch the team.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy operates under the delusion that what he says in the foreign press doesn't get back to the US...

Either that or it’s his passive-aggressive means of forcing a trade without looking too much like a whiney little gimp.

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's the latter

Passive aggressive seems to suit him pretty well, unfortunately.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is that why he can't finish...

without a running start and no defense?

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 20, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Adios Rudy

Dude found out he didn’t have the chops to be a starter in the NBA so back to momma.

by ralphzillo on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

+1

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

offer is one thing

Patty wants to play in the NBA and will try and get on the blazers roster, or land with another team in the NBA long before he takes an offer overseas. Even considering going with a D-League contract before Europe, its not about the money for Patty.

by benfti on Jul 20, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

that's been Mills' story for the past 12 months

but if he doesn’t get an offer from any other NBA teams, the Blazers shouldn’t feel obligated to keep him around as their 15th man just to fulfill his NBA dream. Patty’s benefactor was Paul Allen, last October, and Mills actually caught a break with his foot injury because KP had intended that Patty would play overseas in 2009-2010 following the draft (“he has a passport”)

Johnson was the 34th pick and outplayed Mills in Vegas. It’s time to face reality, mate. Italy is just as close to Australia as Portland is

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul Westphal or Mike D'Antoni would be other good NBA coaches for PM

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Patty Mills can't effectively run the pick-and-roll, though, so I'd scratch off Mike D'Antoni.

Paul Westphal is a good option, however, especially since the Sacramento Kings have bigger guards who can run the offense (e.g., Tyreke Evans & Beno Udrih). That way, Patty Mills could play off the ball. I still think the Jim O’Brien coached Indiana Pacers would be a good bet, too.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Word is the Warriors are signing Jeremy Lin

That hurts Patty’s chances.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm totally sick of Rudy...

I’ll be stoked when the Blazers finally get rid of him.

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by jenstcy on Jul 20, 2010 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

yes

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by NBAstard on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too..

The guy acts like he never got a chance here and that’s garbage. Rudy had a huge chance to prove himself when Roy was hurt (especially in the playoffs) and he failed in a big way. He let his team down. I know that the blazers’ system doesn’t suit him well, but that’s a poor excuse. I have lost respect for Rudy because what he says when he is here and what he says when he’s in Europe are always opposite things. Personally, I don’t care what Cho gets for him at this point. I just want him gone. I have a feeling though that the blazers won’t give him away or let him walk. I read where Paul Allen has said that he’d rather see Rudy rot on the bench than give him away for nothing.

by JAWKS on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly I agree

To the point that, after Sergio’s and now Rudy’s whining, I rooted heartily against Spain in the World Cup.
I wonder how badly this hurts our chances of getting Claver over here? He looks like a very nice SF, but I don’t want to go through this again, and I wonder if he would even consider it after talking to Rudy during the Worlds.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Babbitt > Claver

and no NBA team should need both of them, especially not Portland who already has Batum and Cunningham on the roster

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen enough of either to make agree with that statement

I know Claver plays better D, is faster, and is taller and longer.
Babbitt seems like a much more fluid offensive player, with much better range.

We need Animart, maybe he’s seen enough of Claver to make a determination.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

After the playoff egg he laid against Phoenix, he needs to shutup and ball.

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by blazeraddict on Jul 20, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

World championships are coming up

Blazer fans need to root for Rudy and Claver to do well for team Espana, because this will boost their trade value

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to see Rudy do very, very well in the worlds

It’d be interesting to see how many people jump back on the bandwagon.

by Corvid on Jul 20, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's inevitable

player does good? 95% of fans say “How can they trade him, now?”

player does bad? Same fans say “trade the bum!”

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Worlds have little to do with the current problem, unfortunately

If Rudy and his agents have made up their minds Portland is a bad situation for him, the Worlds would boost his trade value for a spell, but it goes right back down if he sulks/doesn’t perform in the season

James, Wade, and Bosh = the Nazgul. Once they were great kings, until their greed got the best of them in their lust for the ring.

by blazeraddict on Jul 20, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

so trade him in September

I don’t think there’s mutual interest re: Fernandez attending fall camp in Portland

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the last part of the interview that is not translated in that link:

“My agents are looking for the best trade for me, but in the end it´s Portland´s decision. My team holds the reins”. “I have a contract with the Blazers and they don´t want to trade me, maybe because they don´t like what they can get in exchange, maybe because they want me for their future,”. “What I want is to put an end on all these rumors and to know as soon as posible where I´m going to play next season.”

Forbidden to forbid!

by amlmart1 on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, he sounds a lot like LeBron this summer

First create the rumors, then present yourself as the victim of unsubstantiated rumors….very authentic.

by oregonslee on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funny you made the LeBron comparison

It is EXACTLY what I thought about it and the rumors he and his agents created in the first place. He’s bugging the hell out of me.

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by NBAstard on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe

he’ll have a special in Spain called “La Decisión”

by bluthbanana on Jul 20, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

With a Mexican simulcast: ¡La Decisión Gigante!

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'd be the Fox reality show spinoff...

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't come up with this stuff unless

someplace in my devious scandalous dinosaur brain there was a place that understands Rudy’s behavior very well. He’s not a bad man; he just talks too much for his own good. I’m surprised his agent hasn’t foresworn him from media contact. It just shows me they’re a second rate team.

by oregonslee on Jul 20, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised his agent hasn’t foresworn him from media contact. It just shows me they’re a second rate team

Rudy’s American agent (Andy Miller) has been telling small market NBA teams not to bother asking Portland about Fernandez because he won’t be happy playing for them

(Ditto for non-contending teams and teams with good SGs)

So, hoping that Rudy will receive Blazer-positive advice from his rep is like cleaning up the Pamplona streets after the bulls have run though ’em. Not a pretty sight

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy and his agent had better reconsider their tactics.

I think we know now that it is quite possible to get on Paul Allen’s undesirable list, and if that happens Rudy not only won’t be sitting next to Paul in the Rose Garden, he may be watching basketball sitting on a couch somewhere for the next 2 years. These guys don’t seem to grasp who they are dealing with and CBA contract they signed.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think their tactic is pretty clear

Rudy’s camp is trying to sway international basketball opinion against Paul, Nate and the Blazers, and it’s probably playing well everywhere but in little ol’ Portland OR. Fernandez was a huge star in Spain, he was about as decorated as a Euro roundballer could be, back in ‘08. Surely his lack of NBA success can’t be anything other than the Blazer’s fault, right? Portland’s coaches “just don’t understand” how great he is and how best to make use of his talent…gag

Meanwhile, most Blazer fans have swung from blaming Nate’s system for causing Fernandez’ discontent to telling Rudy not to let the screen door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. We’re a provincial bunch up here in Stumptown, if an outsider doesn’t care for our fair city/state, well then they can just take their weak sauce down the road.

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade him to Cleveland

Unless Minnesota wants him? Anyway, someplace COLD, and preferably godforsaken.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit.

Cold? Check.
Godforsaken? Double Check.

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by Arby on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easiest solution

Assign him to our D-League affiliate. Hey, Rudy, you wanted to start! Enjoy January in Boise!

by Charon on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

You, sir, are a genius!

Long bus rides through Boise winter.
Perfect.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

rumors
"What I want is to put an end on all these rumors and to know as soon as posible where I´m going to play next season."


I wonder what rumors he is referring to. Judging by that quote, it seems like he is referring to rumors of Portland wanting to trade him.

by DefenderOfPants on Jul 20, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

huh

that didn’t work out right.

by DefenderOfPants on Jul 20, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say we keep him until we can find a deal for him or the trade deadline.

If we can’t move him by the trade deadline then let him buy out is contract. If he wants to be a distraction tell him to not bother showing up for camp. Paul Allen and the Blazers hold the cards not Rudy.

by Escrote on Jul 20, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Paul's response (when this first came out) was

“Let him rot on the end of the bench.”
I sense no chance of a buyout, and a trade only if it brings something of value back.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want his pouty face anywhere near the Blazer's bench

and Rudy probably feels he’s too good for the Idaho Stampeders

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad to see Mills is getting offers.

He deserves a shot somewhere. He’s just not really the best fit for the Blazers.

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by ericking on Jul 20, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Portland courted Rudy to co

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

...come over and play in the NBA.

If he’s not going to get minutes a split makes sense. Rudy’s new team needs to pay out his contract so he play ball in Europe and be a star in a league filled with guys who aren’t going to break his ankles off the dribble or knock his slender frame to the floor. I’m happy for him and don’t blame him for wanting out.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

not going to get the minutes?

out of all the players the Blazers had over the last few seasons in a similar situation (Rudy, Bayless, Webster) Rudy got the most minutes.

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by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, Rodriguez and Fernandez receiving PT

set Bayless’ NBA development back 2 years

thanks a lot, Paul. Let’s learn a valuable lesson from this and not order your GM to keep players around past their sell-by date, anymore

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

am i the only one that still doesnt believe any of these international reports and interviews with rudy?

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by Dirty Socks on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes

:)

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by NBAstard on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

canzano called

he said a african prince has 2.7miliion dollars for you. just send him your ssn

#88

by pipgras on Jul 20, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's kind of like the Pritchard/LeGarie situation

If your agent is saying things for/about you professionally that you don’t agree with, it’s up to you to either fire him or tell him to knock it off. To just shrug and say you can’t control it is more or less a tacit agreement.

by superfly05 on Jul 20, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, they're simultaneously fabricating false quotes in Spain and Greece?

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It can't be easy

Complaining about playing time, while a guy playing better than you and not complaining at all is getting significantly less playing time himself.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember how he threw a fit

when Turkeyglue was going to be signed. Even though they played totally different positions.
And then said he never said anything.
I think this is all Euro-agent maneuverings, with Rudy dutifully playing along.
And I don’t like it.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Signing Hedo would have taken away PT from Rudy

Hedo + Nic means no minutes at SF for Roy. Roy then plays all of his minutes at SG and Rudy is looking for scraps riding the bench behind the franchise player.

by ninjasocks on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roy then plays all of his minutes at SG

I’ve been looking forward to this for the last 2 years. So has Roy, apparently, since he’s looking all lean and skinny this summer

Matthews >>> Fernandez re: Brandon’s long term health

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you really want Roy defending PGs 30+ mpg?

He’s taking off weight to hopefully avoid leg injuries, so playing PG all the time would not be beneficial to his long term health. I want to squeeze as many years out of Brandon as possible, and not look for ways to make his career shorter

Defending SGs is no picnic either, but at least they’re about the same size (and not extremely quicker) than #7. Let’s leave him there guarding 2s for a change and maybe he’ll be available for 80+ games and a couple more months after that

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can Matthews guard the PG?

Or can Matthews guard the 3 and Nic guard the PG?

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 21, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd put Nic on the PG, if Nate is using that big lineup

he’s done pretty well against them in the past with his lateral movement and long arms

the Jazz used Matthews as a wing defender, and it would be nice to see Wesley smother the SF while Batum stifles the PG. The Blazer’s perimeter defense has taken a huge step forward in the last couple of years

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sad that we (purportedly) could have got some decent value for offin' Rudy last year.

..and there are teams interested still (supposedly), but now? Sigh…

I still remember that pre-season game where he was a rookie against Sac where he dished out some of the best assists I have ever seen. Man, what happened to that guy? Something between the ears or within el corazon I figure.

by Knobby on Jul 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Hanging onto Rudy too long was one of KP's mistakes.

We have an all star 2 playing 34+ minutes a game and it was obvious Rudy wasn’t going to pan out at PG or 3, or be happy as role playing sniper off the bench, so why hang onto him? He should have been dealt last season but with all the injury problems I can understand why they hung onto him. Also, we really don’t know how much value Rudy has around the league.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jul 20, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

No revisionist history, please

NO one wanted to get rid of Rudy after his rookie season.
Injuries played a big part in his failures last year, and I fail to see how this can be classified as a “mistake” by KP.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

There were a few of us who wanted to trade Rudy last summer

I made a case a few times over the summer. Here’s one. It seemed to me like he didn’t have a lot of potential to improve, he was playing behind our best player, and his stock was high.

As often as I disagree with Dwight Jaynes, he was also calling for a Rudy trade last summer. He had somehow gotten it in his head that there wouldn’t be enough minutes to go around in the back court, and that someone would end up being upset, and that person would be Rudy. He was spot on.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day, he was spot on and you have to give Dwight a lot of credit

for that one, in all honesty.
Just wanted to get all of the currently over-used phrases among the sports broadcasters into one sentence.

by Natsthecat on Jul 20, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awww, do we have to?

I feel that Dwight throws outlandish, curmudgeony poop at the wall at every opportunity.
I hate to think we have to congratulate him every time some of it (inexplicably) sticks.
But alright, nice job Dwight!
And for the last time- I’m not ON your lawn!

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 20, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was definitely a small minority opinion last summer

But looking back at my posts from a year ago, I’m a little surprised how little my opinion of him has changed. His whining has made me like him less, but as far as basketball goes, it’s about the same.

In case you’re wondering, yes, my arm is getting a little sore from patting myself on the back.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jaynes, Vance and yours truly

and dan_the_man makes 4

“everybody else” though Rudy at the 2 and Brandon at the 3 was the bomb

Oh, and don’t blame KP for “holding onto Fernandez too long” that was Paul Allen’s desire, according to Jason Filippi

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait wait wait

I’ll admit to being in the “Keep Rudy” camp last summer, but I never EVER signed up for Roy at the 3.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 21, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy was ONE of the injury problems.His back and quad injuries may have been fixed BUT

Rudy still has PASD…Post ARIZA Stress Disorder.
He needs to go to Europe to heal that one.

by Natsthecat on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is such a worn out take

Rudy wasn’t affected by his back after surgery, he said he felt better than he had in years

it was between the ears, he “lost confidence” because Bayless was given the starting job after Roy tweaked his hammy

Fernandez realized that being an international star in Portland wasn’t going to happen for him, and he wasn’t getting any younger and would miss his big chance at making money, so he’s gone on this “I’m not happy” hissy fit to try to get out of his contract

It’s good to see more and more Blazer fans starting to figure this out. Rudy was healthy in March-April and he doesn’t need anyone in Portland making excuses for him, anymore (he’s got enough Euros to tell him how great he is…)

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Patty is restricted right?

So we would keep his rights. If that is true, then it makes total sense to let him get some playing time on someone else’s dime.

by Sonic Boom on Jul 20, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Rudy's agent told Kahn that his client didn't want to play in Minn

and suddenly Webster’s name was in the Babbitt deal instead of Fernandez’

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

REC

James, Wade, and Bosh = the Nazgul. Once they were great kings, until their greed got the best of them in their lust for the ring.

by blazeraddict on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a long time I was of the opinion that trading Rudy might well be best for both sides, but with stuff like this pretty much eliminating all trade value he had, I’m kind of leaning toward playing hardball with Rudy and keeping him at this point. I sympathize with Rudy to a degree, since he gave up income to sign here and all, but I’m not sympathetic to the point where I’d trade him or let him walk for nothing so he gets his wish.

by jksnake99 on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm pushing more and more for the hardball approach, unless we find a trade where we add real value

I don’t get the sympathy for him, though. He knew he’d be playing behind Roy, and he’s still getting around 25 minutes a game. That’s big minutes for a bench guy. How many minutes could he have reasonably expected? What would he be showing us with 30 minutes that he can’t with 25?

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus he got multiple starts in the playoffs

do I really need to show his stat lines?

picture me rollin'

by Utah Sucks on Jul 20, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we keep him...

…and play him just a few times so the RG can Turkaboo (Turkoglu boo) him. I want him to know that he had our hearts in support of him, but he never put his heart into our team.

by styles on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fluff his numbers a little...

then send him packing.

I reckon we outta keep him around, put him in when we know he can score a few points, improve his averages, and try to drum up a little interest. Trading him now will get us nothing. I liked one of the above ideas of having a European team buy out his contract, saving us some dough, but I think we can do better than break even on one of the best players in Spain.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 20, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

let team Espana fluff Rudy's numbers in Turkey

I don’t want any of Portland players sitting while Fernandez is on the court in a future Blazer game

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

What does hardball mean?

I don’t want a openly sulky Rudy on the bench. It may be best to part ways. We need to start looking for another shooter.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 20, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just meant keep him against his wish.

by jksnake99 on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna then hold him down and kiss him.

I ain’t sure what the right decision is right now, but I do know I hate him talking to every media outlet from here to Mars about wanting to be traded (and if he isn’t saying that, I hate that it’s being translated that way).

I do know I’d rather we not dump him for nothing, and look for something that is best for both sides. Keep him, let him be healthy and show his value again, and either keep him or move him along. Doing these interviews can’t be seen as helping him, though, so I don’t get it.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If push comes to shove, I'm all for a mutual buyout agreement -- wherein Rudy Fernandez's contract ...

is wholly terminated, which’d be similar to what happened with Derek Fisher in Utah a few years ago — with the unwritten understanding behind closed doors that he’s headed back to Europe on a multi-year contract. That way, we can be rid of this whole absurd mess.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

can you make the buyout contigent upon him NOT signing with another NBA team?

probably not I"m afraid, but that’s what I’d want as well. At the very least, an verbal understanding that he will play in Europe for at least two seasons.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that's a guarantee I would want as well.

If Rudy doesn’t want to play for Portland, he can’t play for anyone else in the NBA. This is a big mess. Is Rasual Butler still available?

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 20, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Portland doesn't need anymore wing players.

There’s a glut of them floating around the team already — particularly with undersized 2s like Jerryd Bayless and Elliot Williams — so losing Rudy Fernandez would be no loss whatsoever from an on-court perspective.

Now, let it be known that I’m not a fan at all of Bayless or Williams; however, Bayless can play 10 minutes per game at the 2 behind Brandon Roy if necessary. Bayless, however, would definitely need to play with a backup 1 who can guard bigger players like Armon Johnson.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could tolerate Jerryd Bayless playing the 2 on offense and the 1 on defense for ...

10 to 12 minutes per game, but he’d have to play with a guy like Armon Johnson who can handle the point and guard backup 2s.

That’s as nice a remark I’ll make about Bayless, however. Let’s just say that I’d still prefer to move him elsewhere—pronto.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh great now you're ANTI-Bayless again?

With how much you flip flop, I can’t keep your opinions straight.

I don’t think anyone can!!!

Uncle Morty

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the lack of reliable shooters in Nate's offensive sets will be a problem.

Webster, Rudy, and before the trade, Blake put up a high volume of 3-pointers last year. I don’t think Batum, Bayless, and Matthews can make up the difference.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jul 20, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's baseball ya bimbo!

Unless ya mean NAVY SEALS era Sheen.

For, of course, I mean SNIPER era Tom Berenger.

Failing that, we sign his rival Billy Zane.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think AK had the right movie to pull from

But got the wrong character.
We need God from Navy Seals (Bill Paxton).

Failing that, I’ll take Barry Pepper’s sniper from Saving Private Ryan.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 21, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just a thought....

Maybe, without a bunch of 3 point shooters, we develop some sort of offensive scheme that relies less on chucking FBP 3’s from downtown at the end of the shot clock?

by Visionary2 on Jul 20, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it'd need to be an implied agreement rather than an explicit one.

I doubt Rudy Fernandez would go all Carlos Boozer on the Portland Trail Blazers, though.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

whatever amount was agree to in the buyout

would be the cap figure applied to the Blazers. But he would no longer take up a roster spot at that point.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if we severed ties, mutually, then

there would be no cap hit if Rudy agreed to take no money?

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

correct

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 21, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the response

I guess that’s the best option, but the petty, spiteful child inside wants this to be harder on Rudy.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 21, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, unless it's prohibited in the CBA.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hardball approach has my vote.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jul 20, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Why do people want to go "hardball" here?

The time when the team should’ve played “hardball” was regarding LMA’s now ridiculously bloated contract, which has long-term financial ramifcations that’ll hinder the Portland Trail Blazers down the road. As I said at the time, overpaying for LMA was a rash, haphazard decsion. It’ll play out that way, too, albeit not to the extent of the summer of 2004 hat yield huge contracts for bums like Zach Randolph, Darius Miles, and Theo Ratliff.

This whole nonsense with Rudy Fernandez, however, is a trivial matter with honestly no financial ramifications if he agrees to a mutual buyout — such as what happened with Europeans like Vassilis Spanoulis, Arvydas Macijauskas, Antoine Rigaudeau, as well as even American-born players like Derek Fisher on rare occasion — thus, I say the Portland Trail Blazers should take the more pragmatic approach here and just part ways without all the fuss.

So yeah, I guess that I view issues like these with a monetary slant. When playing “hardball,” the main concern should always be with regards to fiscal prudence. As it pertains to Fernandez, there’s no reason to drag this out and cause unwanted tension amongst all parties involved in it.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah...

his contract isn’t exactly going to break the Bank of Allen, so there’s no reason to get too butt-hurt over losing him, but I still would think we could get more than salary relief from a player as dynamic as Rudy.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 20, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd definitely prefer to trade Rudy Fernandez to Chicago or New York for a future first-round ...

draft pick — with the Bulls owning a future first-rounder from Charlotte that’s to be conveyed sometime from 2012 through 2016, while the only unconditional first-round draft pick at the Knicks disposal is in 2017 — yet, if something can’t be worked out to everyone’s satisfaction, then a buyout is better for all parties than making him rot in Portland for another season.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not getting a first rounder for him. A second if you're lucky. I'd take those oven mitts...

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

AK and timbo might not get a 1st rounder for Rudy

but Rich Cho is on the job, now. Prepare to be impressed

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rich Cho will be able to point out all of the statistical positives in Rudy's game, should

he play in an up-tempo venue. He may also be able to point out that if Rudy loses a few more pounds he will be able to fly like a hummingbird to the rim and dunk effortlessly; no one will be able to stop him.

by Natsthecat on Jul 20, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Rudy loses any more weight

He’ll have to worry about getting posted up by the likes of Brandon Jennings, Aaron Brooks and Patty Mills.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rich will play the video of Rudy dunking on D-How

over and over until another NBA GM forks over what Cho is asking for

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we hadn't given LMA that contract

Don’t you think he would have been offered at least that much this year? Sure, we could have let him go, but it was decided he was important enough for the team (I know you disagree on that point). I think he would have been offered the Rudy Gay contract, and we’d be faced with a more difficult decision: Keep him with an even worse contract, or roll the dice on finding a better starting 4.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a fair point.

I still abhor the idea of overpaying players. If nothing else, though, I bet that LaMarcus Aldridge would’ve ultimately signed the contract extension in the summer of 2009, even if the team kept a hardline stance of $55 million guaranteed and $10 million extra in incentives. I recall posting a couple in-depth ideas on a hypothetical contract with such payouts, but I’m too lazy to search the archives for it.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's possible that he would have taken a contract like that

I vaguely remember you putting it together last year. In retrospect, it would have been dumb for his agent to agree to it. Heck, in retrospect, his agent screwed up pretty badly as it is.

While we’re probably overpaying for LMA, I don’t think we could have kept him any other way. And I hear your brain screaming that you don’t want to keep him anyway, but the Blazers do. So overpaying it is.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

even if you don't want to keep him

letting him walk away by not matching an RFA offer sheet is not an option, and never was. Not for a player of his caliber and production. If you don’t want him at that price, you’ve got to trade him before the extension, or afterwards. Given that we didn’t do it before, our only option becomes trading him afterwards (if we want to trade him). His current contract is more palatable to potential trade partners than 5 years, 75-80 million would have been, so locking him up last summer was the smart move, no matter how much you dislike him as a player.

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the end, ultimately, y'all are correct that locking him up last year was the right move ...

over the long haul. I still wish that the team had held a stronger line in the ultimate payout for LMA, but it’s true that letting him enter free agency this summer as a RFA would’ve been bad news.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, LMA's agent didn't screw up in comparison to Rajon Rondo.

My guess is that LMA and his team kept pointing to the Andrea Bargnani contract, while I’d’ve kept harping about the David West contract. There might’ve been a stalemate with hurt feelings and a bad taste left in everyone’s mouth, but that’s ‘cause I’ve got no experience whatsoever in negotiation tactics.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Rondo should probably fire his agent.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Jul 20, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

If we didn’t extend LMA last summer, we would have either paid him an extra $10 million (over 5 years) this summer, or watched him walk away for nothing.

We did the right thing. LMA is far too productive and consistent a player to let walk, so saving $10 million is smart money.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is that LMA could've been pressured into signing a contract with $10 million less ...

in total guaranteed salary, particularly if escalators were in place to make it potentially go from $55 million to $65 million — which’d make for $2 million in possible annual incentives — yet, we’ll never know the answer to that. If I recall correctly, the franchise still had a week-long window to negotiate a contract extension — since the deal was signed on 10/22/2009 — before the deadline date at the end of October. Shoot, I’d’ve gone down to the wire.

by AK1984 on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

point being

we don’t know any of that for sure, it’s all conjecture. What we do know with 99% certainty is that the deal we did sign is far better than what we would have ended up with by waiting until this summer, so signing him was a smart move.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Even if one thinks LMA is overpaid for his production in general, he isn’t overpaid for the market right now. There are guys not as good as him getting huge paydays, for better or worse.

I think we’ll regret LMA’s contract a lot less than Rudy Gay getting Brandon Roy money, or Joe Johnson making more than Lebron. LMA’s contract was always tradeable; now after the spending spree he almost seems like a steal of a deal.

I went back and forth on what the right course of action was with LMA… I am not convinced he is the right PF for us, but he is young and talented. Since he’s kinda a sensitive guy, at first I felt locking him up would help him play more free. After a letdown of a season, I then felt we shoulda’ let him go to RFA to keep him hungry. That woulda’ been a mistake, and my first instinct was right.

LMA would have gotten max money or close to it from someone out there, and we woulda’ had to match. Ain’t no way we’d let him go for nuthin’.

And money can’t be the motivation for LMA; he has to find that from other things. I don’t know if he has it in him, and I hope that post-allstar ‘09 nice play wasn’t just a contract push.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA's deal is a shade pricey... But it's not that far off the mark.

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last year it was pricey

This offseason, right now, he’s getting less than guys he is better than (or is a better deal for his situation), but maybe down the road he’ll be pricey again.

He’s too pricey for any team wanting to cut costs, and not good enough to be a guy you build around, but for a good team he has a good contract right now. It’s not crazy expensive, it’s not the best deal, and it could easily be worse AND still tradeable.

Things change quickly!

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

AND still tradeable.

Things change quickly!

Like the color of the uniform LMA wears, next season?

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

This will start a big long debate most likely

But I think someone like Verajao is a great fit next to a developed Oden, and Oden should get every single touch on the block that LMA gets currently.

Verajao needs no touches, is great at cutting off of the ball, offensive rebounding, has a nice touch and good hands to catch passes and finish, and can hit the mid-range jumper at a Nick Collison type level. Plus play awesome defense and act as a hustling, tough, energetic role player.

I think a role player who helps out Oden and Roy in areas other than scoring is better than LMA. Verajao fits.

I am sure many will disagree, so it might make this thread get off course, but it’s how I feel currently. I think LMA has mostly flatlined and doesn’t do the little things that Roy and Oden need their co-stars to do. He’s mainly only a scorer, and doesn’t even score that efficiently. We can replace his 18ppg easily.

And if he’s not getting touches, the rest of his game suffers as well.

So, off the top of my head, Verajao. I think a role player who plays hard and smart is better than a focal point-type player who isn’t good enough of a focal point to make up for their obvious flaws.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the thoughtful answer.

I think LMA is a really good complement for what Oden will become. I think we do need scoring at that position and LMA’s outside game will keep him out of Oden’s way and keep the PF/C double teams off Oden in the low block. If the doubles do come Oden can flip the pass to LMA and he can make them pay.

I get a bit frustrated with LMA’s lack of toughness, but I don’t think that is going to be as much of an issue with Oden (finally I hope), Joel, and Camby around him. I’m sticking with him for another year to see how that quartet works out. If everyone’s healthy I think they give Gasol, Bynum, & Odom a great run.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hope it works out too!

Right now, here’s my basic worries about LMA and his fit with Oden and Roy (for in my opinion, they are the only two that truly matter and everyone else must fit them).

LMA isn’t a very good passer, so I haven’t seen a reason to be hopeful that a nice high/low game can be established between LMA and Oden. Camby will be great at it, but LMA hasn’t shown passing as an aspect of his game yet.

Even if we got guys who are tougher/more physical than LMA, I don’t think anyone can truly make up for a PF who isn’t aggressive or tough enough. I think teams will always target the weak link and if we can’t rely on him to play the game we’ve come to rely on in the playoffs… then it just hurts us all the more. Plus, having Oden compensate for LMA’s man, go for blocks, and have to box out, all in the same play, isn’t fair.

I’d rather have a guy Oden doesn’t have to compensate for whatsoever. I want a guy who compensates for Oden.

LMA is a better offensive player, but he’s not THAT good of a shooter to shoot so many outside shots. Oden handles double teams very well, so if LMA’s man leaves to double Oden, Oden can find him for the jumper. But if Verajao’s man leaves Verajao, Verajao cuts to the basket— that’s a better shot, a smarter play, and one Oden has also shown the ability to do.

Overall, it’s not really that I think LMA is “soft” or something, but I think he’s mainly a scorer— and not a good enough scorer to only be a scorer. He is versatile on defense and good on switches and pick and rolls, but Verajao is even better at it AND on interior defense. And a better rebounder. And needs zero plays called for him, whereas LMA has shown that if he isn’t getting the ball, his energy level takes a huge dip.

I don’t think he DESERVES to get that many plays called for him, when you got Oden and Roy on the team— let alone Dre, and possibly Batum in the future.

Oden’s offensive game isn’t as developed as LMA’s, but it’s more effective, and feeding him all of LMA’s touches is great for his development as well. I think LMA gets in the way of Oden’s development because we will always feel the need to force feed LMA so that the rest of his game is okay.

For now, we got LMA, I like him, and I want it to work out. I started thinking early in the season (while Oden was doing well) that LMA isn’t likely the best sort of PF to play next to Oden, and nothing happened during the season to change my mind. But, that’s not to say it can’t prove to be a successful pairing.

If LMA was good at more than scoring, I’d have a much different opinion. I don’t need him to be a bruiser, but a guy who will rebound when Oden goes for the block, or go for blocks himself, or play tough defense, or not need so many touches… in short, I think we need a role player there.

Today, most PFs can hit a mid-range jumper. LMA hits it at about a 40% clip, and that isn’t hard to find. Replacing LMA with someone who won’t score nearly as much but is soooo much better in other areas of basketball— especially the little things, the “glue” Batum/Battier areas… I think it’s worth more than the raw stats. Ya know what I mean?

It’d be a HELLUVA lot easier if it just works out with LMA though.

Mortimer

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by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those are all good points.

But my fear is putting too much of the offensive responsibility on Oden, too soon. His #1, #2, and #3 priorities have to be to learn to stay in the game and not foul. I’m perfectly fine if his rebounding and scoring numbers per minute should dip for a while while he learns to stay in the game for 32 minutes instead of 25. They will come back up later.

So I like the idea of LMA still being a key scorer while Oden learns the game, and I think I could already see some of Camby rubbing off on LMA late last year. So it will be interesting to see if LMA’s game can change a little more this year. It’s easy to say that his game has plateaued because his numbers have been so consistent from year to year, and therefore that’s a negative. Well, the flip side is that you can count on him getting you 18 and 8 with about 50% (50%,48%, 48%, 50% over 4 years) shooting, and that ain’t bad.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, LMA ain't bad at all

The only thing I can add is that I agree 100% that Oden’s first priority is staying in the game, which will make everything else come in time— but that replacing LMA with a better defender who Oden doesn’t have to cover for would go a long way towards helping Oden stay in the game.

We need better perimeter guys as well, but LMA does Oden no favors by making Oden the only guy who challenges shots.

LMA has been extremely consistent during the regular season, and plays through pain for weeks at a time. He’s been very durable and dependable, and he deserves praise for that.

Morty

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by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Overall

I think you can get away with a weak defender on the perimeter if he’s worth it on the offensive end, and with a good goalie backing him up (Oden and Roy), but if you got a big man who is a defensive liability, you can’t really cover for it effectively.

LMA is good defending the perimeter, but much weaker on the inside and challenging penetration… and compensating that with Joel, Oden, and Camby can only do so much. First of all, only one of them can be on the floor with LMA at a time, and even the best bigs can’t compensate entirely for their PF.

Dwight Howard and Rashard/Hedo is a counter-example, but they also have a successful team defense that we haven’t shown. There are ways around it, if we scheme it right.

I believe a common trend in almost every championship club is interior scoring, and strong interior defense from both the Center and the Power Forward. LMA is better than Pau Gasol on perimeter defense because of his quickness and speed, but much weaker on the inside— and most don’t think Pau is any sort of intimidater down low.

These weaknesses can be figured out, so replacing LMA with a role player isn’t the only way to go.

Mortimer, again, who can’t stop talking.

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by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think his interior defense is his biggest weakness, and not as easy to improve

as just getting 1-2 more rebounds a game, which could come from just more effort and better positioning. I know 4 years seems like a lot of learning time, but I don’t think LMA has had the coaching he needs on defense (Luke being out ill – if Luke was even the right person to do that), so that may still be something he can improve with better big-man defensive coaching.

LMA is good defending the perimeter, but much weaker on the inside and challenging penetration… and compensating that with Joel, Oden, and Camby can only do so much.

I think the bottom line for me is that we have bigger fish to fry this summer (getting a PG) and I’m quite satisfied to watch and see where an Oden/LMA/Camby/Joel front line takes us this year. (And for the 10th time I’ve said it - since I can anticipate someone’s next comment - I would not trade LMA in a deal to get Parker – or Harris.)

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade LMA for Harris, and I don't think it would be necessary

but for Tony Parker you’d have to give up Nic or LMA, because the Spurs are no fools and they really don’t have a need for Miller or Joel’s ECs

Buck Williams may be able to reach down into LMA and dredge up some manhood. If that’s all that old #52 ever does as part of the Blazer’s coaching staff, then he’ll be worth his weight in gold.

When he was interviewed last year, Aldridge defended his lack of rebounding by saying that it was his job to box out opponents so Greg/Joel could grab the ball—can you imagine Buck ever saying something like that, back in the day?

Frankly, Camby and Cunningham show more desire to mix it up than LMA does, and that’s simply got to change for the Blazers to reach the finals. Portland needs more toughness from their starting 4 than Aldridge has been giving them, and so he needs to shift his focus from “how many touches” he’s getting on offense to how he can become a better all-around team player

If not, he might find himself becoming an all-star in another team’s uniform, but never playing deep into in May

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

in a word, playoffs

I want Parker around in May/June. I was very excited to hear the first thing that Cho said today when asked what the Blazer’s roster needed was “veteran experience”

Tony has final’s experience, Harris doesn’t. I don’t think the difference can be offset with any regular-season stats

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harris was in the Finals too

And other deep playoff runs. He’s got playoff experience.

Not as much as Tony, he hasn’t won a title, but he’s a much better defender and a similar shooter/passer (I’d say a better passer). And younger.

Remember, he was the Mavs PG.

M—

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Parker is a known bad defender who plays with the ball in his hands a lot

Parker is a good player, but very similar to Harris, except Harris is more athletic and a better defender— and was accustomed to playing off the ball and sharing ballhandling responsibilities with the other Mavs players.

Now, since he’s been a star for New Jersey, it’s up for debate if he’s willing to going back to being a star-role player, and not a star-star. But he’s a smart kid who would prolly wanna win.

Parker’s weak defense, weak shot, lotsa injuries, and need for the ball makes me worry about his fit. Talented player to be sure, but not enough to overcome fit.

Neither he or Harris are dynamite outside shooters, but they can hit it enough to be guarded. I’ll take the better defender.

M—

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don't have to sell me on Harris

I was in favor of acquiring him before Portland signed Andre last July. I put several lengthy trade proposals together in the fanpost area

Since that time Parker has become available (allegedly) and at this point in time I prefer Tony over Devin, for the reasons I’ve already mentioned

If Cho acquires Harris I’ll be satisfied (depending on what he has to give up…) but I’d still be concerned about the Blazers lack of veteran leadership heading into the semifinals, next May

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we had a serviceable starting PF to turn to

I’d even be okay with a LMA for Harris deal, if possible.

If we had signed Millsap, I’d be all for that deal. Dunno if it’s a possibility now, or NJ is interested or what. Just a thought.

I guess part of my problem with Parker is he doesn’t seem like a leader, or someone who would provide that veteran leadership. He’d still be good, but it’d still be Roy leading us.

I don’t think we’re that far off on this point so it’s not like we really disagree.

—M

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Camby is servicable

Marcus would play pretty close to the Verajao scenario that you mentioned above. Cunningham could do the same, in a smaller but more-active package. And another backup PF could possibly be acquired as part of the LMA deal (Blair, McDyess, etc)

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that could work well

Injury concerns aside for both Camby and Oden, I think they’d work great together. Camby’s passing, rebounding, shotblocking, along with Oden… it’ll be great.

I guess part of me doesn’t think of Camby in long term thinking, of course, so I totally overlooked that we HAVE a great starting worthy PF on the roster already.

So I know it can be a sensitive subject to talk about moving LMA, and I’ll just say again, that it’d only be for a real difference maker or last piece like a very good PG. I think a very good PG combined with a role playing PF, would be better than just LMA.

In theory.

Good idea T4L!

Morty Pie

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

two4larue: Providing BE with outside of the box thinking, since 2008

most of my ideas don’t stick against the wall o’ reality, but that won’t keep me from throwing them up there. If I made you think about something from a different angle, then I succeeded in my objective

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember

Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson thought so much of Devin’s future as a final’s PG they traded him away for Jason Kidd

I like Harris, and he would be easier to acquire. I just like Parker more, not because of his size or defense or 3-pt shot, but because he’s been all the way to the top and he’s got the knowledge that the Blazer’s roster lacks. You don’t have the opportunity to acquire this kind of player often, and I’d like to see the Blazers take a quantum leap in their playoff experience, and not wait around making incremental roster improvements until Roy’s knees give out for good

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Cuban and Donnie's decision has been and continues to be widely seen as a mistake

Flailing to try to get over that hump after they blew it in 2006.

I dunno if Parker can really imbue our team with in-depth knowledge of what it takes. If it was Duncan and Popovich, I’d agree… I don’t think Parker really led them to the promised land.

I just don’t see what Parker would add besides stories of being led by a great coach and one of the most dominant two-way players of this era. He doesn’t add toughness, playmaking, or anything we really actually need.

Even when he won the Finals MVP, he didn’t deserve it. He’s a very good scorer, a very good player, I wouldn’t mind him, but I don’t see him as important to that team’s runs as Duncan/Manu/Pop, and I don’t see what KNOWLEDGE he would give our guys.

Morty

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

That said

I think Parker would help us and we know he is, at the very least, a good playoff performer.

I’d just rather address needs that we need, such as defense and playmaking, and less scoring.

M—

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've got bad news for you

A morph of Gary Payton and John Stockton isn’t going to come walking through that locker room door. Sometimes you have to target the best veteran PG who available, in spite of his flaws.

Like I said, the Miller experience should encourage us re: Parker. This time last year, everyone was sure that Brandon needed a 3-pt shooter like Blake or Hinrich as his running mate to be effective. Now we know that’s not necessarily the case, although I still hear requests for PGs like Mo Williams to be acquired (yikes!)

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say Parker "led" the Spurs anywhere

But he wasn’t just along for the ride, either. Pop, Timmy and Manu aren’t coming to Portland, as nice as it would be. The Spurs didn’t need a PG to be their “leader”

OTOH, the Blazers do have a need for veterans who have as much final’s experience as possible. Parker could be available; it’s a potential match.

I’m not going to be able to convince you of the impact that Tony would have on the Blazers unless Cho rolls the dice and acquires him. Very few Bedgers thought that Andre would be a “good fit” either, 12 months ago, because of his weak outside shooting, age and defense. But Miller turned out alright.

Parker has played a lot in May/June and is younger than Dre so he fits the timeline. Sometimes you have to pull the handle and take your chances

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing I question

Is what Tony Parker would actually be able to share with out team about his finals experience. I don’t think it works this way.

I don’t question his talent, whether he helped the Spurs win those titles, or if he’d help us. He would.

I’d rather take a chance on the even younger and more-gooder-defender who also has playoff experience in Harris, but I understand someone preferring Parker’s game more.

I just don’t get what he’s supposed to share. I don’t think he’s the sort of player to mentor everyone and get them pumped up for some finals run— him showing he is a good player when it’s playoff time is great and I’d like him for that.

I just don’t think it’s anything beyond that. I wouldn’t use his finals experience as a reason to get him.

Andre has worked out “ok” but I also say he’s not a very good fit. I think the same reasons some people worried about him still hold true today.

In short— Parker is good. Would help us. I think showing he is a playoff performer is great and something we need.

M—

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by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

The other day I looked at the Spurs roster

back in ‘98-99 the first year Duncan won a title. San Antonio had role players like Kerr, Kersey, Perdue sprinked in with the starters like Robinson, Elliott, Avery Johnson. This is what I’m talking about, veterans who had been to multiple finals appearances with Portland and Chicago during their careers. The Blazers need to start somewhere re: acquiring that kind of playoff experience, so Parker is my current target, because he not only has the tribal knowledge, he still has the game to go along with it

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by two4larue on Jul 21, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point
LMA does Oden no favors by making Oden the only guy who challenges shots

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought LMA was getting closer to the basket last year and indeed he was.

In 2008-9 he took 57% of his non-3pt, non-lay-ins, from outside the foul line (>15 feet).
In 2009-10 he took 51% outside 15 feet.

There were only 14 players in the league last year (includes centers as well as forwards) that were 17 and 8 guys. LMA was 17.9 and 8.0. So not too bad.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

and considering we were 30th in pace, that ain't too shabby.

8 rebounds a game playing the slowest pace in the league next to 3 of the top 10 rebounders in the league is pretty decent.

But the bashing of LMA is one of the current popular groupthink pasttimes here on BE, so no sense arguing with it.

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once again, critical thinking re: a Blazer player is categorized as "bashing"

I guess I should say that LMA is a wonderful young man who was robbed of the opportunity to play in the all-star game the last few years—how’s that?

To reach the goal of a championship, tough roster decisions will have to be made (and we’ll discuss them hypothetically first, right here) A lot of fans didn’t like it when Outlaw, Blake and Webster were traded away, but let me tell you, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Now that KP is gone the velvet gloves will come off and the whole roster will be re-evaluated with no sacred cows allowed

This is a performance-driven business, and if you aren’t growing as a player to help the team advance in the post season, consider yourself on the bubble, as far as I’m concerned

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

was I pointing at you?

if you took it that way, it wasn’t intended. I’m hardly a LaMarcus apologist, and certainly see several areas I would like him to improve upon. What drives me crazy are people who point to his rebound average and says “why isn’t he getting 10 per game”, with out any thought to the pace we play at, his position on the floor when rebounds are up fro grabs, or the rebound vacuums that are on the floor next to him.

Could LMA be a better rebounder? You bet! Specifically, he often loses mental focus and forgets to put a body on a man on defense, which is infuriating. Is pointing to his RPG and saying he should get 10 per game either realistic or fair considering the 3 factors above? Absolutely not.

LMA is an above average player in this league at his position. He’s not perfect, and he’s got areas to improve in for sure. But he’s the favorite whipping boy around here, and it’s often a bit of an echo chamber where good critical analysis is far too often replaced by the repeated one-line snipes that are all too easy and just as equally all too simplistic. The man gets you 17 and 8 night in and night out. He rarely has huge number games, but just as rarely does he have complete no shows anymore. That type of consistent production is GOLD for teams who want to go deep in the playoffs. Not everyone can be a star, but every good team needs guys who can and will deliver night in and night out. LMA is one of those guys.

I wish he was more, but I’m not ready to run him out of town on a rail or listen to the sycophants unfairly bash him shallowly and endlessly without saying anything more than “he’s soft” to back it up.

Again, not pointing at you. You, Jake, and others come with well-articulated critiques, and I have nothing but respect for that. But I would also say that for all the thing that you and others like to point out that he ISN’T or DOESN’T do, there are a lot of other things that he IS and that he DOES do. LMA posts around here rarely ever balance the critiques with the positives. That’s all I’m saying.

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA needs to answer his critics with his play out on the court

he certainly doesn’t need you or me to defend or promote his very consistent play for the last 3 years.

I’ve said all along that if Greg had stayed healthy LMA wouldn’t have caught the flak that he has from local fans, because his toughness-quotient wouldn’t have been so visibly exposed. But once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it’s awfully hard to put it back in.

If you remember Mychal Thompson back in the early 80s, the parallels to LMA are as eerie as Oden to Bowie. (Ask Dwight or Kenny about that “soft” comparison, if you ever get the chance)

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

and let me say right here and now

IF Joel is traded, I don’t want to hear you say one word about “see, KP never was going to trade Joel, but now that Cho is here, he was willing to.”. You don’t know that KP wouldn’t have traded Joel, and it can never be proven one way or the other, so don’t go claiming it like it was fact like you were trying to do a few weeks ago based on a couple of GM-speak interviews he did. We have it on pretty good record that he was certainly trying to about a month ago, but it didn’t work out.

Let’s leave it at that, OK?

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever you say (chuckle)

When asked about how attractive Joel and Andre’s ECs are to other teams, Cho replied

Those are 2 very good players, I don’t look at those guys as just trade chips. They were significant parts of the team last year. Unfortunately Joel got hurt, but Andre had a very good year. So I look at them as assets for our team as players. As far as other teams look at them, I’m sure they look at them as good players, too.

Przybilla could be traded, or he might not. I prefer having depth in the frontcourt, (especially considering Oden and Camby’s injury history) so I’m not going to advocate a deal involving Joel, because I think there are other/better means of acquiring talent that doesn’t involve subtracting from one of the team’s strengths to do it.

BTW, Rich also said today that he thought the roster needed more veteran leadership. So that doesn’t dovetail with him dealing Andre or Joel—unless they’re replaced with veteran upgrades

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

we agree completely

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by douglast on Jul 21, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't it amazing?

We lost something like 310 player games to injury last year, including Oden and Joel for more than 50 games each, but still won 50 games. Yet the player that played the most minutes (422 more than Andre Miller, and 503 more than Roy), and scored the 2nd most points per game on the team, gets bashed for not living up to expectations?

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Greg remains healthy this coming season

LMA will be back up in the high 50% > 15’

He had to be the Blazer’s low post threat last year, and most folks who observed him in action, at the time felt that he let an opportunity to step up slip by. He had a greater opportunity (playing alongside Juwan Howard for a couple of months?) but his stats plateaued.

There’s no way to sugar-coat Aldridge’s playoff performance, those post opportunities where he was doubled and he retreated to the corner and threw wild passes in the direction of the Blazer guards were brutal. Credit Phoenix for their game plan and blame Nate’s system if it makes you feel better, but as a passer LMA is below average.

I too am hopeful that he’ll learn something from watching Camby feed Oden, but a lot of passing it anticipation and creativity, and some guys just have better court vision than others

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you say "most folks" are you referring to the NBA scouts

that you talk with, or did you poll the leagues GMs, or are you using one of the scientific BE polls? Just curious, because I thought the Blazers did pretty well to get 50 wins last year with Oden and Joel out most of the year, not to mention a couple of other guys. But apparently “most folks” didn’t think so, or “most folks” thought LMA had nothing to do with that? Is that correct?

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA had more opportunities to score and rebound in 2009-2010

because Greg and Joel weren’t on the floor, most of the year, yet Aldridge’s stats have remained virtually the same for the past 3 seasons, correct? I would call that “not stepping up” when the team had needed their 24 year old veteran who was drafted #2 overall in 2006 to produce at a higher level.

I never said or implied that LMA wasn’t a contributor to the team winning 50 games. But I would say that he wasn’t a particularly impressive playoff performer against Stoudemire or Frye.

And yes, I believe that “most folks” would agree with me, re: these observations

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with your premise.

LMA isn’t the only player on the team. Other players were added this year (Miller most predominantly), Batum increased his scoring, Webster didn’t even play the year before, Bayless got more opportunities to score and so forth. It may be your opinion that LMA should have taken more shots, scored more or whatever, but that wasn’t necessarily Nate’s game plan. LMA wasn’t asked to put the team on his back and carry them. Miller wasn’t pounding the ball into him at the post, and LMA refusing to take shots. He shoots a high percentage of times he gets touches because his shot is difficult to block. His performance didn’t fall off either. He shot 1% higher percentage (49.5%) than the year before, and added 0.5 rebounds more. So his performance improved very slightly and as I pointed out he took a higher percentage of shots inside.

You can argue he didn’t do enough to help his team win, and I’ll argue he played within his abilities instead of trying to unwisely trying to do it all. If Nate wanted him to score more, he only had to get Miller to throw him the ball more. And guess what, they rather remarkably won 50 games as a team despite the injuries. So I guess somebody knew the right way to play and did it pretty well.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can remember there were complaints from the coaching staff

They wanted LMA to work the post more and draw fouls, but he tended to fade away on his post jumpers. Aldridge had fewer FT attempts last year when he was the sole low post scoring big man that was available to the team (unless you count Juwan and his jump hook)

I’m not bashing LMA, I’m just pointing out that when the team needed more from him, he showed up to play every game like a good trooper, but he didn’t produce significantly more than he had as a 24 year old than he had at 22 or 23.

Remember, at the beginning of the year, Brandon and LaMarcus complained to Nate about wanting to remain option 1 and option 2 in the offense, and if you check the numbers, LMA has averaged 15 shot attempts and 7 makes a game, each of the last 3 seasons.

You can blame his lack of increased touches on the coaching staff, or I can suggest that he didn’t demand the ball enough. I am concerned about LMA’s lack of competitive nature, because the great ones don’t ever want to defer, they want to try out for team USA

So, while I’m not saying “get rid of the bum, he stinks!” I am saying let’s not put him up at the same level in 2010 that we did back in 2008 as a long-term core member, because he’s just been a steady placeholder in the rotation since then, not an overachiever with upside

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec

I agree that it would be nice if LMA “works out” as a good complementary player with Roy-Batum-Oden, but I also think that the time has passed where he has to be considered untouchable and essential to the team’s chances at winning a championship. (In the future it may take one less near max contract to make room on the payroll for Oden’s extension, and I suspect that LMA will lose the “WARP battle” in that arena)

I feel like Nate could plug Camby and Cunningham in at PF and redistribute most of LMA’s touches to Nic and Greg and the offense would be more efficient (less low 40% 2-pointers from 18-20 feet away, more 40% 3-pointers from Frenchy and FTs and dunks attempted by #52)

Finally, LMA is no stiff, and he could fetch “the final piece” of the Blazer’s championship plan, like an elite PG. I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than this difference-making kind of target, but “to get something you have to give up something” and #12 is the most-expendable young starter on the roster. I would try to add a burly backup PF in any deal involving Aldridge, mostly because of Camby’s injury history

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I get a bit frustrated with LMA’s lack of toughness, but I don’t think that is going to be as much of an issue with Oden (finally I hope), Joel, and Camby around him

Take away Przy because of his impending EC and the Blazers are just one stepped on foot (or foul trouble for Greg) away from having a long-but-soft front court. I like what Camby brings to the equation, but Marcus is no banger. Cunningham is undersized, Pendergraph is mechanical and a foul machine.

This is why if I’m thinking about sending LMA away in a deal for a PG like Parker, I’d make sure there’s another PF coming back Portland’s way as part of the trade. Not to “replace” LMA in the starting lineup necessarily, because Camby can do that (with much fewer touches and shots) but just for depth’s sake

Ideally I’d like to keep the 4 quality big men around all season, but I’d settle for the first half and then re-evaluate how everyone is doing before the trade deadline. OTOH, if there’s a way to acquire a younger PG like Devin Harris without surrendering anyone other than Miller, Bayless, Rudy, and the “leftovers” from the past 2-3 Blazer drafts, then Paul should put Cho right to work on that scenario (just don’t bring Outlaw back this-a-way from NJ)

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regarding LMA,

I just read this article over at ESPN about the FIBA team. The interesting bit was the sidebar with all the players that might not make the cut. Could that have been his real fear? I wouldn’t blame him for thinking he couldn’t stack up against Amar’e (sure didn’t in the playoffs) and David Lee—he can’t. He could might have made the team if they thought he could play the center position (I’d heard as much), but we all saw how well that worked out here…

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by 500dogs on Jul 20, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that has anything to do with it.

LMA actually would play the center spot quite well in international ball. Unlike big plodding centers who get torched by their European counterpart who are nimble and shoot from the outside, LMA would have been able to stay with them on the perimeter.

I don’t know why LMA decided not to play. I wish he would have, ‘cause at the rate everyone’s dropping out, he would have been a lock to make the team. But I’m pretty sure “fear of not making the team” was not one of his reasons.

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's healthy and has no family emergencies

So I’ve got to question LMA’s desire to compete, and that’s not a small concern for a “core player” on a team that is hoping to be a final’s contender, soon

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

and Roy had to call up LMA and "convince him" to fly over to Vegas for a day

other NBA teammates were supporting their summer league teammates throughout the 2-week event

I’ve got a feeling that Aldridge may not be as secure in the Blazer’s future as he was while KP was the GM

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

source on this?

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Courtside last night, I think

I listened to hours of podcasts, yesterday

Nate told the boys that he wasn’t going to call them as often this summer, and he’s left it up to Roy to show leadership re: his teammates offseason activities

Brandon was in Vegas, LMA’s birthday was yesterday or today. Roy probably used some “honey” to attract LMA to the last day of summer league…but ask yourself, what is so wonderful about Texas in July that LMA doesn’t want to venture outside of his home state during the offseason? Especially to watch or play BB?

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's kind of sad, really

the young veterans saw the Vegas team doing well so they wanted to head down and be a part of that positive/winning environment

not exactly a “foxhole” mentality, but it’s their lives and vacation so who am I to say what the millionaires should be doing with their free time?

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

devil's advocate

maybe he wants to make sure he can provide the most possible benefit to the team that’s paying him 10 million dollars this year, and his fear is the time, toil, and possible injury that playing this August/September could take on him?

David Lee just got hurt and might have possibly broken his thumb – if that was LMA, many Blazer fans would be pretty unhappy about that

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's the price you pay for greatness

are you happy with LMA’s dedication and improvement over the past 2 years? I heard he’s not been working out hard with Bayno prior to games, anymore. If the Blazers had been deep in the playoffs that would be one thing, but they were done almost 3 months ago. You’d think a 24-25 year old would be chomping at the bit

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, I'm not happy

but since I haven’t seen good improvement year to year from any of our players really, I’m left to question how good of coaching they’ve been getting. Not to absolve LMA or anyone else from self-responsibility either, because they certainly have some, but I think there has been some systemic blockages to improvement as well.

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by douglast on Jul 20, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bayno has been available to work with Aldridge

LMA was probably worn out during the season and didn’t need to endure more of Billy’s pre-game pad pounding. But we’re smack in the middle of the offseason and he’s still tired? That should send up red flags, if not to the medical staff then to the front office. The last thing the team needs is a Tin man playing PF. LaMarcus heard the fans question his desire and toughness for years, but the only response we seem to get from him is a “shrug”

This is Mychal Thompson, all over again. The ’80s era Blazers were better off after Sweet Bells was finally dealt away

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to accept his LMA's reason

He played A LOT of minutes last year, about half of them on bad ankles. I’m glad he opted out, he’ll be a lot fresher for the Blazers this season.

by superfly05 on Jul 20, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say the Portland Trail Blazers should take the more pragmatic approach here and just part ways without all the fuss

Sets a bad example. The Blazers would basically be saying “if you don’t like how you’re being treated, just whine about it and we’ll let you go free” It undermines the coaching staff and could embolden agents of future Blazer players to use the same approach about their client’s lack of PT

Cho is the trade master, I have confidence he’ll get more for Fernandez than any of us would expect

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't blame Nate's offense when Rudy was the one constantly passing up shots. He did the Channing Frye

pump fake so many time, then pass. The only time he did start to get a rhythm was when the game was out of reach and he started shooting any good look he got.

It’s Rudy’s confidence, not anything Portland did.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 20, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

Nate completely jerked Rudy around with minutes and position (starting Bayless, e.g.)

Nate’s offense (and extreme focus on turnovers) completely nullifies any ability for an unstructured offense to get going – which is where Rudy excels.

I don’t recall Nate, the great motivator, ever doing anything on or off the court to boost Rudy’s confidence; you rarely heard positive words from Nate about Rudy…

Now, I’m not saying that Rudy isn’t a whiner, and didn’t screw up his one opportunity when BRoy was out… but I totally disagree with “not anything Portland did”…

by Visionary2 on Jul 20, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rudy makes 1.25 million per year.

It would take me 25 years to make that much, if I was still working. I don’t feel bad for him. He discovered that he is not cut out to live in a foreign culture, away from family and loved ones. He knew Nate’s system coming in, and he knew he would be behind Brandon. What he didn’t know was that on top of being lonely, he just wasn’t suited for the NBA game. He was welcomed w/ open arms by the PDX fans and if he hadn’t turned into such a whiner, we would still be hoping he would turn into an NBA talent.
I am more worried about losing Animart, than Rudy.

by crakarjack on Jul 20, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

+1
I am more worried about losing Animart, than Rudy.

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by timbo on Jul 20, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would be extremely sad if we lost our Spanish friends

Amlmart1, MedMelon, the lovely Fanfaraway… we need them around here.

Or I’ll be a sad boy :-(

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by Mortimer on Jul 20, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No hardball, no softball;

just play ball.

My advice would be to ignore Rudy and his agent and the noise and just run the team the right way. If Rudy can EARN minutes by playing well, great. If he is sub-par, he sits. No complaints allowed, be a pro, or stay in the locker room. “He’ll have his chance to prove his skills on the court and we expect him to be a professional and do everything he can to help the team win. We have no desire for a trade: if he can play in the NBA we want him here; if we all agree that he can’t cut it in the NBA then we’ll look to release him to a second-tier league.”

Strangely, this approach may actually restore some trade value, if there is any, since Rudy is being told “put up or shut up” and if he wants a career they he needs to prove himself. On the court performance is all I care about and that should be the team focus.

Someone needs to tell Rudy that his mouth is making noise and he needs to let the ball do the talking. Unless he is comfortable be labeled an overrated quitter.

Can someone please challenge Rudy’s manhood and tell him to stop being a wimp and PROVE he is NBA material. Pass this along:

Hey RUDY!!!: Quit your baby-crying and man-up. No one is going to give you anything. You have to earn it and prove it. So, stop talking with the press and go press some weights. Its up to YOU to show you have skills and can play in the NBA. No excuses matter. Its you and the ball. NOW is your chance to prove the critics wrong – do you have the heart to stay and fight. Have we seen the best you have to offer? If so, you should quit and go home. I think, and hope, you have more, but ultimately IT IS UP TO YOU TO PROVE IT ON THE COURT. All else is wind, or “bad air” as they say in Denmark… Get to work buddy!

by Sashland on Jul 20, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Sad to hear.

I think Rudy is being a whiner. This year was a janky mess for everyone. Nobody understood their role because of the roster instability. Rudy is venting his own frustrations at his injuries and an NBA reality check, that is all. I’d like to believe he’d come around next year, but it doesn’t look like he even wants to.

But also, this problem with understanding one’s role was happening before the injuries started. Nate doesn’t seem like he’s very good at making that clear. I remember hearing talk of Roy, Miller, and Blake all having issues with the same thing, not to mention Webster. I don’t give Rudy a pass for his lack of maturity, but I’m starting to see an ominous trend nevertheless.

by stavrogin on Jul 20, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

this problem with understanding one’s role was happening before the injuries started. Nate doesn’t seem like he’s very good at making that clear

Rudy was hurt out of the gate last fall and missed most of the early season “adjustment period” when the team was relatively healthy (other than Nic) So the first confusion re: roles that Fernandez received was when Roy was hurt and Bayless was elevated to the starting lineup. That was the final straw for Rudy’s camp, as amlmart1 shared at the time

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think Rudy was fully ready (coming off the surgery) when Brandon was hurt, so

I think Nate probably did the right thing. Obviously, Rudy didn’t. From there … I can’t read minds, and don’t guess peoples motives … but obviously everything just went bad. I don’t know what happened in Rudy’s head. I just remember him missing a load of shots over a bunch of games, and finally standing all alone at the 3-pt line with the ball and refusing to take shots. At that point he no longer had value to the team.

By the time he got to start in the playoffs he had nothing to give. I’d have to guess that he really wanted to perform well in the playoffs (just to show Nate up if nothing else), but it wasn’t there. Remember game 6 when he did nothing until it was out of reach. Then he tossed in 5 for 6 3-pointers. Maybe the frustration was finally gone because he knew his time in Portland was over.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 20, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate was probably thinking he needed to keep Rudy's offense on the bench

So he put Jerryd in the starting lineup, instead.

Whatever the reason, it was akin to passing over the 2nd string QB in favor of the 3rd stringer and Fernandez probably figured that he was never going to get a shot to start, and that means more to him than most players. He is a rock star in Spain and while he could understand playing behind an all-star like Roy he couldn’t wrap his head around not starting while Brandon was out.

Amlmart1 said that Rudy’s family and girlfriend left Portland at this time because of this perceived slight, so we can all imagine a hurt and lonely Rudy going back to his empty condo every night, contemplating his future. It’s not hard to see where he lost his confidence, but that doesn’t forgive all of his whining and his disappearing act when the team needed him the most, in April

The Blazers need mentally-tough players to reach the finals. This is why I favor Bayless, even though he doesn’t have pure PG skills. You just know that Jerryd is going to keep coming, no matter what’s thrown in his path. He could settle into a Herm Gilliam role and not complain about it, then be a real difference-maker in a key game where nothing else is “working” offensively.

Przybilla is another example of this kind of lunch-pail role player, Joel won’t say a thing if he only plays 10 mpg, but he will play hard for those 10 minutes, and he’ll always be ready to play 35 minutes for a couple of months in case of an injury. These kinds of players don’t just show up on the waiver wire every week, and they shouldn’t be tossed into trade proposals lightly.

From listening to Cho talk the last couple of days, I get the feeling that he understands this, time will tell if he balances out the bench with mentally-tough players who will shut their piehole and know their role

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by two4larue on Jul 20, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let him rot at the end of the bench.

We shouldn’t give him up for nothing, and as long as he’s counting against the cap, keep him.

by gtbassett on Jul 20, 2010 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

No problemo, Rudy ...

Just reimburse the team the million bucks they paid Phoenix for you, plus your buyout cash, and payback the rest of your remaining contract with the Blazers as a buyout, and consider the training you received here a bonus.
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by Y5k on Jul 21, 2010 4:36 AM PDT reply actions  

If you want to hear Rudy talk about his future and not trust journalist reports...

http://www.marca.com/2010/07/21/baloncesto/nba/1279726040.html

Recap of what he says:
- He wants and always wanted to be happy and play minutes, also to improve as a player, as he thinks he still has a large margin of improvement.
- For him, the competence in Portland with Matthews is the same as before with Martell Webster.
- As Protalnad hired a GM already, he will discuss his futur in Portland with the coach and the GM after the world championship, he says also he has no date to make a decision, now he wnat to focus in the spanish NT

Rudy minutes FTW

by ABSF on Jul 21, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Forgive me for the tons of typos

Rudy minutes FTW

by ABSF on Jul 21, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

he will discuss his futur in Portland with the coach and the GM after the world championship, he says also he has no date to make a decision

I think this is smart. If Rudy does well with team Espana at the Worlds, Cho will have more and better opportunities to find the right trade partner

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