Summer League Media Row Report: Blazers 71 Clippers 72
This was a game for the truest of true fans. If you slogged your way through to the end of a sloppy, ice-cold night for the Blazers, you were rewarded with a thrilling finish, which ultimately saw the Portland Blazers miss three shots in the last 10 seconds and lose to the Los Angeles Clippers 72-71 in their third Summer League contest. The loss dropped Portland to 2-1 on the week.
There's no need to persecute the Blazers tonight, who started slow (getting down 10-0), make mistakes (22 turnovers) and missed shots (just 23 of 65 from the field, including 3 of 15 from distance) but responded very well. Portland continued to compete despite being down double digits; folding it up early wouldn't have had any serious repercussions.
Although the gym was mostly empty after a packed house for John Wall cleared out with the Blazers down 20 at one point, those who stayed felt some rare tense moments, spurred on by some nice hustle plays by Patty Mills and Dante Cunningham down the stretch. The final sequence epitomized the night: missed shot, hustle play, missed shot, offensive rebound, missed shot. Mills, Cunningham and Luke Babbitt each had a chance to be an improbable hero but none could get their shots to fall.
Coach Kaleb Canales looked a little discouraged while speaking to a small media group after the game but said he wouldn't change a thing about the final sequence, which included an inbounds play that found Cunningham a clean look from 18 feet that rimmed out. "We'd run that play again 10 times out of 10," Canales told me. So what was sticking in his craw? "Ten missed free throws," he said looking down at the box score in his hands.
A late Babbitt missed free throw sticks out more than the others, given the time/score situation and the fact that Babbitt is as close to automatic as it gets from the line. If Canales was discouraged by the loss, Babbitt was practically mortified. As his last second putback potential game-winner rimmed off, Babbitt clutched his head in disbelief, not the first time we've seen seen that this week. There's no middle ground for him: it's either smile or scowl, and his cold shooting lately has left him so visually mad at himself that he borders on losing composure.
After the game, behind the curtain that functions as a locker room door, Babbitt spent a few minutes talking with scouts Mike Born and Chad Buchanan, who stepped in to offer lengthy encouragement and motivation. "They were just supportive, it's game 3, a bad game obviously for me," Babbitt admitted. As for their advice, he said it came down to continuing to get familiar with his surroundings. "It's just more learning. Just trying to learn everyday. Even in summer league there are highs and lows. Just keep learning and keep learning the system."
Lost in Babbitt's cold shooting night and some trouble handling the ball (5 turnovers) was perhaps his most effective defensive performance of the week. Matched up against lottery pick Al-Farouq Aminu, a raw but explosive athlete who represents a potential mismatch on paper, Babbitt did a nice job of limiting Aminu's effectiveness, especially in the halfcourt. Aminu had just 13 points on 12 shots roughly cancelling out Babbitt's 12 points on 10 shots.
Those numbers provide perspective to the situation for just about everyone... except Babbitt. Asked for his self-assessment of his match-up against Aminu, Babbitt was pretty candid. "I would say he won the match-up. One, they won. Two, he played a good game, he's a good player. I didn't play my best game."
And that's the Babbitt who is starting to reveal himself: perfectionistic, competitive, intense. If Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I'm not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what. There's also some Joel Przybilla to his personality, a pride in his craft and work ethic, and some homicide eyes when things don't go as planned.
Things didn't really go as planned for anyone tonight but here are brief looks at each of the other Blazers.
Jeff Pendergraph
Jeff Pendergraph couldn't have asked for a better test in Summer League than DeAndre Jordan, a very long and athletic shot-blocking specialist with a fair bit of professional experience. I can't say that he passed tonight, going 4-15 from the field, drawing a technical foul out of frustration, getting his shots blocked numerous times and finishing the night with 3 turnovers. It was a game-long struggle and it wasn't particularly pretty. If there was a positive it was that he kept going back for more, undeterred. His 14 rebounds were impressive too.
Dante Cunningham
Offensively, things weren't much better for Cunningham but his tireless aggressiveness paid off with nine trips to the free throw line. It's difficult to tell whether this is a product of the Summer League environment or of improved conditioning but his relative quickness to loose balls has improved and he's mixing it up in all sorts of new and exciting ways. I also caught myself thinking back to media day last year when he described with wide eyes meeting Brandon Roy for the first time. That freshness has been replaced by a seasoned, toughened shell.
Armon Johnson
Like everyone, his shot wasn't falling and he missed a few chippies in traffic that he normally would finish. Even on a less-than-peak night look at the rest of the story: 8 free throws attempted, 5 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers, 1 foul committed. Those are Blazer backup point guard numbers.
Patty Mills
Boy, somewhere along the line Mills really learned how to take a charge. He took one in the first half -- hard -- that was straight out of a Shane Battier basketball training video. he continues to struggle with his ball control (4 turnovers, all in the first half) but did a better job finding guys than he did Tuesday. The tough part for Mills is that unless his outside shot is really falling his offensive efficiency is pedestrian.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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Wow
It’s great to watch Armon play, even after a bad game. His poise is just about the same as what i describe in my fan post. Still a streaky shooter, but I think that can be remedied by time in the gym. It is his job now, and he has good form. Also, he’s a lefty, so they always start hitting.
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEG OOOOOOOOOOOOOODEEEEEEEEEN
Holton would never penetrate, even if he had an advantage
It used to drive me crazy. Michael and Danny Young were the plainest vanilla PGs the Blazers had until Blake rolled into town
Armon is no Mike Holton, and that’s a good thing
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ahh Ben, love your work but
Mills’ efficancy was higher than AJ’s?
Everyone is raving about AJ, and i get it, he does look good, but again like bayless is he a 1 or 2?
To me at several times when the game looked to be going pear shaped it was Mills that took charge. Constantly trying to get things going for the Blazers.
to me I dont think its as cut and dry as people think it is over whos the one to keep.
to be honest I want both.
people get caught up in "combo" guard discussion
but it isn’t as subjective as most think. Point guards have definitive roles – they must handle the ball against pressure; break down defenses off the dribble; find open teammates with catchable passes impeccably timed – and they must score efficiently. If a PG can’t shoot the three faster than Wild Bill can draw his six-shooter, then he must be able to score close in (the closer, the better). Finally, a PG typically guards the other teams fastest/quickest/shortest player.
Bayless is a point guard. Johnson is a point guard. Roy is not a point guard. Roy plays point on offense – but doesn’t guard the point, so he isn’t a point guard.
Whether you want to label someone a “combo” guard is irrelevant. Combo guards seem to be so labeled because they score more effectively than they pass or handle the rock. However, the net benefit is the measure of a point guard – the sum of all his parts regardless of emphasis on one particular skill set.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
this should be green
If Luke Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I'm not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what. - Ben 7/16/2010
by jamon51 on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
man this is the best statement
regarding guards I have heard in a long while
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEG OOOOOOOOOOOOOODEEEEEEEEEN
Thank you
In the NBA, on defense, you are what you can guard. It has to be that way, because you are reacting to the other team, so you have to match them as well as possible.
On offense, given the initiative, exact roles aren’t as important, since you can create a system where players’ strengths are emphasized.
Rec.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Magic Johnson was a point forward
That may shock most NBA fans, but it’s true. He defended the other team’s least offensively-effective forward and Byron Scott defended the opposing PGs (if not Scott, then Michael Cooper)
Whatever works, and that long lineup that “sagged in” and protected the paint certainly worked for the L*kers, for over a decade
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Last paragraph was basketball poetry
Great post, would rec it twice if I could
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One question.
If BRoy was playing PG shorter faster PG would not be able to guard him either, so Is it that the little PG or not PG either?
hg
if Roy were the littlest Blazer on the court
stands to reason he would be guarded by the littlest opponent on the court
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually am suprised by Armon's stat line
it do not seem that good watching it unfold in front of my eyes. I was ready to sign Green above Jhnson and Patty!
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Patty didn't pass the eyeball test, today
but AJ looked good. I don’t recall all his turnovers – but I know at least one was a very questionable charge – and he just plays under control.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually love Johnson
but the team looked very disorganized and Green actually had better luck getting the bench guys under control than either Patty or Armon did for quite awhile with any lineup.
I would probably sign Armon over patty, I love his demeanor on and off the floor. And he does have game.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
As Ben alludes to - Mills needs an exceptional long range shot to be viable
AJ is definitely the keeper.
I’m not surprised, tho – that Green would be a stabilizing force. He isn’t an NBA talent – but he has a lot of pro experience (relative to the college rookies)….
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Mills' hopes might actually hinge on whether
Babbitt finds NBA 3 point range in camp actually.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Possibly
But really his hopes probably hinge more on whether or not the Blazers are able to trade for a point guard to either supplant or backup Miller. If we get another point who can’t shoot from outside (Devin Harris for example) then Mills has a shot, if we get a shooter (a Mo Williams type for instance) then Mills is almost assuredly gone.
Babbitt is unlikely to be in the rotation so I don’t see his development as being a huge influence on who they keep at backup 1
let me rephrase
As the roster currently stands, Mills hopes might actually…..
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Green would be a stabilizing force. He isn’t an NBA talent – but he has a lot of pro experience
“Veteran emergency PG in case of injury” would be a good idea for the Blazers. They could send AJ to the D-league and keep #3 around just in case Miller’s consecutive games streak came to an abrupt end
Green is not that guy, but there should be plenty of them “out there” to invite to fall camp
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it would be nice if there wasn't such a stigma with D-League
seems teams are very quick to pull guys back from the minor leagues
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, he would have a roster spot
without Mills or Rudy (not to mention Deiner) there would be one available
I’d also consider sending Elliot WIlliams to the D-League, perhaps at the same time as Johnson. They’re really only needed this year as injury replacements and practice players
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Fun game tonight!
I agree, Mills looks good but I just have the feeling he’d get blown up on defense 11 games out of 10 in the real NBA. When he’s in a groove he can score and make things happen, but Johnson just seems a little more under control, and has a much higher ceiling on defense. I don’t know if Johnson could really go into camp and beat out Bayless, but his game and feel seems to fit our system much better than Mills. Our bench is going to have a lot of weapons this year, we need a guy who can spread the ball around, not another gunner.
Babbitt looks more and more like a long-term project, after a year or two with the shooting coaches he has the ability to be a real weapon and also not get destroyed on defense, but he does not look ready to compete in the NBA yet.
I love watching Cunningham play, he looks like a real NBA player who’s only going to improve. Pendergraph, not so much, but at least he gives big Greg somebody to beat up in practice.
by JonathanPDX on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, but AJ doesn't have a snowball's chance of beating out Bayless
Summer League is not THE LEAGUE. Armon looks good: excellent footwork on defense, NBA ready body, good composure, but he is not ready to run a team in the NBA. He can’t shoot any better than Miller, from beyond 10 ft. Initially, he is going to struggle even more than Bayless, at running the team. I can almost guarantee that his TO% will be nearly double the 7.5% Bayless posted in the playoffs.
Young PGs are like young QBs in the NFL. It just takes time to adjust to the speed of the game at the top level. It takes time to develop the recognition/reaction skills necessary to play at greater speed against much better players. This has been true for every young PG the Blazers have brought in over the last ten years. Bayless struggled even more than most, because he was trying to make the adjustment after only one year of college where he played out of position at SG.
AJ looks like he has good vision, good skills, and he is certainly bringing more collegiate PG experience to the table than Bayless, but he is still making the jump from the WAC to the NBA. Nate has very little tolerance for PG mistakes, and AJ is going to make a lot of them. In addition, he is going to need most of a season to work on his shooting. Again, don’t get me wrong, I think the kid has a ton of potential and agree that he has a good chance to develop into a fine NBA PG, but I would be willing to bet my lunch money that he won’t beat out Bayless.
by upper left corner on Jul 16, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree with you to an extent
He won’t beat out JBay this year or probably next year, but what he does bring us is a ready made PG with time to train to Nate’s system and practice shooting while Dre and JBay handles the bulk of the reins at PG; then when Dre leaves, Johnson will be ready, plus after last year’s injuries, Dre’s age and possibly JBay playing some 2 guard, I think Johnson is very important, not to beat out JBay but to be a factor in many games because of this size and defense. Remember JBay as of last year still makes a lot of silly fouls.
hg
I find it ironic that many of the Baylo-skeptics seem so eager to jump on the AJ bandwagon
I think Bayless and AJ have a lot in common: similar body types; aggressive, harassing defense; an ability to penetrate and absorb contact. As a distributor, I think AJ is definitely ahead of where Bayless was coming into the league. He has far more collegiate PG experience. On the other hand, Bayless was a much better shooter in college (40% from 3pt range) and while AJ shows an ability to penetrate, he has not shown the same dominant explosiveness that Bayless showed as a rookie in SL.
In many ways the challenge for AJ is going to be similar to the one that Bayless faces. Can he develop a credible outside shot? Can he learn where to be in Nate’s team defensive scheme? Can he cut down on his turnovers?
A few fancy passes that have everyone drooling does not make an NBA PG.
by upper left corner on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest difference between Bayless and Armon IMO
Aside from experience. Bayless drives looking to score, dunk, or get to the line, Armon seems to drive looking to pass or throw up that little floater of his.
You are right that Armon would be behind Bayless in the rotation based on experience in the league, but in terms of skills and tendencies Armon probably has a better chance to be a complimentary player than Jerryd, whereas it almost feels like Bayless needs the opportunity to be a first or second option for a team to really maximize his skills (in either a sixth man or starting role).
I think it is more a matter of experience than "carved in stone" psychology.
Bayless has been an extraordinary scorer at every level. He is used to baring much of the scoring burden for his teams. He played PG in HS and averaged 6 assists per game, but he was almost always the best player on the court. After being recruited by Lute Olson to play PG, he ended up playing SG and being the leading scorer
Becoming an NBA PG is a process for a guy with Bayless’ background. It is certainly possible that AJ will ultimately be a better PG. Both guys have excellent physical abilities and more than a little in common. My point is that it is far to early to tell. Drawing definitive conclusions about either guy is folly. We haven’t seen AJ against real NBA players, and it is too early to say with any certainty how well Bayless will develop as a distributor.
As to your specific comment about the difference between the two, I think that is an over simplification. I could point to scores of times last season when Bayless used his penetration to create open shots for teammates. He needs to improve further, but he has clearly shown a willingness to share the ball.
by upper left corner on Jul 16, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Jerryd has had 2 years with Nate McMillian
Armon has had 0
Advantage, Bayless. Just like “advantage Sergio” in 2008
The real question at this point isn’t “who, between JB and AJ are more likely to be Andre’s primary backup?” it’s “will the Blazers bring in a completely different PG to be the starter or the primary backup?” This hypothetical transaction would signal Miller or Bayless leaving the Blazers, this offseason
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
My point:
People are comparing where Bayless was when he came into the league with where AJ is now. AJ looks “more like a PG” to many people. This shouldn’t surprise anyone because AJ comes to the league with two years of collegiate PG experience. Bayless had basically no collegiate PG experience. My point is that you cannot judge who will be the better PG at this point because they come to the table with very different backgrounds.
I agree with you that the team faces big decisions regarding the PG. I continue to think that we are probably just fine the way we are. If we can swing a big deal at a fair price, fine. But we do not “need” to do anything.
by upper left corner on Jul 16, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
this is Jerryd's year to make or break with Portland
it’s kind of unfair for him, because he came along with the Spanish experiment was underway, and that’s cut into his developmental time. Not to mention that the team was ready to contend so he didn’t get the same opportunity that Jarrett Jack did, to learn from his mistakes. Finally, there was Steve Blake enough said about that)
Unless there’s a big trade for a younger PG, Bayless should have the opportunity to play backup PG quite a bit during the early part of the season. We all know that Miller is a notorious slow starter, and if Jerryd can provide bench scoring and pick up where he left off in April this year, he’ll be a valuable member of the rotation.
I’m mostly concerned that something could happen to Andre and his consecutive games streak will come to an abrupt end. Bayless and Johnson just aren’t experienced enough to step in, if the team wants to get past the first round of the playoffs.
Sometimes you never know how well players will respond until they’re given the opportunity. Fat Lever was one example, he was supposed to be Valentine’s backup but Darnell got hurt and Fat had to start. His numbers weren’t great but he held his own and wound up going to the perfect situation for his career (Denver, in the Vandeweghe deal)
Jerryd took advantage of extra PT last year because of Roy’s injury and the Blake deal, who knows what may happen this year? I happen to think that Bayless has the mentality to be a solid role player on a finals-caliber team, even though his aspirations are probably a lot higher than that.
Not every player is tough enough to accept the reserve role, and come off the bench a light a spark, but every great team needs a player like that. Sometimes these guys don’t play the most minutes (Herm Gilliam, 1977) but they’re great to have on the nights that “nothing else is working” because they can be game-changers, as Herm was in the WCF down in L*A.
Jerryd could be the PGoTF, but he might be more valuable as a 6th man, if he’s willing to settle into that attacking role
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Armon Johnson is a longer, more disciplined defender than Jerryd Bayless, ...
too, which is a huge reason as to why the Antonio Daniels comparison is right on the money.
Do we have to call him AJ?
Do we always have to call NBA players by their initials? A little originality would be nice.
(speaking generally, not to anyone in particular)
If Luke Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I'm not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what. - Ben 7/16/2010
it annoyed me when I wrote it
but I stuck with it because I think you need to be special to be on a first-name basis and “Johnson” is pretty generic
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Johnson doesn't cut it
I like PDX’s below :) Maybe “the Hammer” ?
If Luke Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I'm not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what. - Ben 7/16/2010
how bout
Armon Hammer…
get some sound of a woman saying “ummmm Fresh” after he makes a great play in the Rose Garden.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Jul 16, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
75 Extraordinary Uses for Baking Soda
25. Wipe your windshield with it to repel rain.
never heard of that one….
this one, on the other hand – is a staple:
55. Use it to wash diapers.
by blacknoiseNW on Jul 16, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Player nicknames are always fun to some up with
I would love to run the scoreboard graphics and sound for the Blazers!
the BRoy Wonder (batman and Robin type Blam, Kerplow type things on the screen with the old tv show sound effects)
The inferno (video of flames and the nine plains of hell)
Boom Boom Batum (video from some movie of Napoleon’s army firing cannons)
Hammer (a woman opening a fridge with only a box of Arm & Hammer on the shelf nad saying uuummmmfresh)
L Train (my least favorite, but it does come with good sound at the games)
Vanilla Gorilla (a mock up of a Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream called Pryzbilla the Vanilla Gorilla)
The Cmabyman (the song itself focused on the Candyman Can part of the line)
Oden is tough, maybe no nickname, just a video of a norseman casting lighting down on mortal man?
Miller is also tough (maybe the wrap song that refers to him?)
Rex (T-Rex scream)
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I often call Batum "Batman"
If Batum develops into a Point forward fillitator would Batum become Batman and BRoy becomes the Robin the Boy wonder? Or maybe Batum’s Boy. Oh I could see the fights that could cause LOL.
hg
that's why you have to stick to the BRoy Wonder
he is more than the Boy Wonder
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I'm worried about Pendergraph.
He’s a tough dude, but he’s too short to play center. He did ok on defense, but on offense he kept trying to challenge Jordan. Webber called it correctly, “Pump fake, pump fake, pump fake.”
He looks more like a PF to me.
Mo Lucas was a master of the pump fake.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
by We-B-Dunkin on Jul 16, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He looks more like a PF to me.
A very mechanical #3 backup PF who’s main contribution will be pre-game “monkey in the middle” and to come off the bench in short spurts when all the other big men are in foul trouble
DeJuan Blair…sigh
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I agree with your sigh.
If you’re going to have an energy guy, why not one who has 12feet long arms?
He’s a post up guy who doesn’t seem to have much of a post up game.
"Mechanical" is exactly the right word. I was thinking "stiff" but your choice is better.
Pendergraph is just not a fluid, agile athlete.
ignacio
I though the only players that looked decent were Cunningham, Babbitt, and Johnson.
Babbit certainly was pretty terrible throughout most of the game, but I really liked what I saw out of him near the end with his offense. He also showed better defense and rebounding in this game in my opinion. The missed free throws were probably just nerves and from being upset at himself for his shot being off so far in summer league. I’m not too worried and I’m sure his shot will come around eventually.
Pendergraph looked pretty awful out there. I love the guy’s intensity and the fiery attitude that he brings to the team, but I don’t know if he’ll ever be able to crack into the rotation like Cunningham. Mills looked pretty lost out there, as well. I think Ben summed it up well by saying his offense looks pedestrian when his shot isn’t falling. I really hope he lands somewhere this season and has success, but I’m still much more in the Armon Johnson camp right now.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Babbitt was pretty much invisible in the first half
but he really seemed to try and assert himself in the late third quarter and throughout the fourth (if my memory serves). The biggest thing that jumped out at me is that he seems to get pretty discouraged and frustrated when his outside shot isn’t falling. Hopefully he gets over that in time, because the one thing that a shooter has to believe is that every time they take the shot it’s going to go down no matter how many times they’ve missed before that, he seems to let his misses weight him down somewhat.
Pendergraph was trying out his moves...
I think the Blazer staff encouraged Jeff to take shots, getting a chance to expand his game. Then he can watch video and learn. Summer League is pretty much a 1-on-1 game, so many players don’t look too good.
Plus, Jeff put way too much pressure on himself by declaring he was going to try to be the MVP. What I would like to see from him is less emotion and more intellect.
I'm just glad we got our annual loss to the Clippers out of the way.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
Thanks Ben - I like this line:
If Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I’m not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what.
My impressions ...
First game I’ve actually watched, so first time I feel educated enough to comment.
Patty: Such a fun player to watch, but is always the smallest player on the floor. Can’t help but think he’ll be fighting size issues his entire career. Clearly he has skills, but I’d cut him loose just based on physical attributes alone.
Armon: Echoing what I’ve heard to this point, this kid is a baller. Loved his command of the ball and the offense. Made some bad decisions, but he’ll grow out of it. Great defensive intensity as well. His movement with the ball reminded me a little of Terry Porter. If he can develop a consistent outside shot he could be our future starter. Can’t help but think Patty has to go to make room for this guy.
Pendergraph: Looked terrible. How many times do you have to get blocked before you realize you can’t play the post against Jordan? A little short on the mental side of the game.
Babbit: This guy looked s.l.o.w. He can shoot, but he does not look like an NBA player to me based on this game alone. And I disagree with Ben’s assessment of his defensive work on Aminu. Looked to me like Aminu handled him easily. Getting to the line, and escaping through traffic for open looks. Babbit looked like he had very little defensive awareness, and his foot speed is a liability.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I agree with you on Babbit.
Aminu had no trouble driving on him and honked some easy shots at the rim.
I’ve seen most of the three games and, in each one, Babbit drives to the hoop, jumps in the air, pivots 180 and tries to fire a pass.
Larry Bird would look slow too...
I have seen Babbit be able to make moves to get open shots- he just needs to settle down and make them. Over time his range will expand to the NBA 3-pt line. Defensively he needs to understand how to force guys to their weak side or into help- but you can say that about almost all scoring rookies.
Not saying Luke Babbit is another Larry Bird, but there is room in the NBA for clever players that can shoot.
The shot is dangerous when defenders are worried about the drive.
If he can’t show the foot speed, and threaten to go more than left, then defenders will close him out and not give him any good looks. Caveat that this was one game. But color me unimpressed.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
are you saying that Larry Bird would fail in the NBA today?
Larry legend was one of the slowest players in the league and never had much problem getting off his shot.
Eric Bledsoe.
I forgot my other observation that Eric Bledsoe also looked ridiculously good out there. Blazing speed, good defender, good decision maker. I thought this guy must not have anything at all if he can’t get any time behind Wall at Kentucky, but I was really impressed. Too bad we didn’t make a move for him at 16 instead of Babbit.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Eric Bledsoe is an interesting player, for he's got that Kyle Lowry style of being a pinball out on the ...
court. The problem I’ve got with Bledsoe, though, is that he’s lacking in the court vision and floor general department. Then again, a player like Rodrigue Beaubois had a solid rookie season last year in spite of having that same flaw. So, even though I believe Bledsoe has a place in the NBA, he’s better off playing for a young, up-and-coming team such as the Los Angeles Clippers rather than a team looking to make postseason waves such as the Portland Trail Blazers.
Great defensive intensity as well. His movement with the ball reminded me a little of Terry Porter. If he can develop a consistent outside shot he could be our future starter
Physicaly, AJ reminds me of Vinnie Johnson. 6’2, barrel chested. Good defender. (of course, VJ was “the microwave” and AJ has a long way to go before he can provide the same kind of instant offense coming off the bench.) But Vinnie could also run the offense, in a proto-combo guard kind of way. He and Dumars used to take turns getting the Pistons into their halfcourt offense when Isiah wasn’t in the game, back in the day.
The hammer has an NBA body, like Bayless does. It’s interesting to read the same comments repeated now that I’ve been making re: Mills for the last year (he’s too small, etc) I think that if Patty had stayed healthy and played in last year’s summer league, he’d be playing overseas now and considered about the same way as Petteri Koponen, as a potential Blazer rotation member
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Similar body to Bayless ...
but much more fluid with his movement. Bayless just never looks smooth to me out there. Armon did.
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AJ has a better change of pace dribble, he can move sideways in traffic
Bayless is attacking the rim or shooting a 20+ footer
I hope Jerryd has been working on a floater this summer, because that could be a devastating weapon for him. (Johnson already has one, BTW) Armon will be “behind” Bayless re: knowledge of the Blazer’s system and he’ll struggle to see the court like Jerryd did for Nate, but 12 months from now either Rex will have forced his way into the starting lineup or he could be leaving Portland like Jarrett Jack and Sergio Rodriguez did before him—traded at the end of his rookie contract
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Maybe I'm blind...
But I keep seeing the opposite of many of you. I see Patty being more explosive, making better passes, and having a better long range shot than Armon. Honestly, not quite sure why so many people seem so big on him. He looks like a decent player, but as someone said shortly after the draft, “The second coming of Bayless”.
I hate to agree with what Two4Larue said in another post where I was Pro-Patty. He may be a fine player, but he probably won’t fit in our (Nate’s) system. Hope he finds success.
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Tough to tell a lot from summer league. I thought Patty had a tough night last night — Babbitt missed some big shots down the end, but Patty went (I think) about 0-5 in the 4th Q, and seemed to be forcing things/trying to be the hero. Loved his defensive energy at the end, though.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 16, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Patty Mills can't keep anybody in front of him...
Yeah he took a couple of charges, but most of the time his man would just blow by him- Do the Blazers need another guard that can’t keep his man out of the lane?
Mills should be playing for Don Nelson, Paul Westphal or Mike D-Antoni
Patty was drafted #55 with Paul Allen in mind, not Nate McMillian’s system
I wish him well, but I prefer more-physical defensive guards, as well. Like Bayless or Johnson
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Babbitt spent a few minutes talking with scouts Mike Born and Chad Buchanan, who stepped in to offer lengthy encouragement and motivation. “They were just supportive, it’s game 3, a bad game obviously for me,” Babbitt admitted. As for their advice, he said it came down to continuing to get familiar with his surroundings. “It’s just more learning. Just trying to learn everyday. Even in summer league there are highs and lows. Just keep learning and keep learning the system.”
It’s nice to hear that Mike and Chad are remaining calm re: Luke
but someone needs to tell them that their “baby” is ugly
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My big fear is Nate McMillan will look to play small ball with Luke Babbitt as a stretch 4 off the bench, ...
which is what he did with Vladimir Radmanovic for years in Seattle and Travis Outlaw at times in the recent past with Portland. If so, that’ll be a huge problem on defense.
Cunningham is more likely, Luke isn't ready to defend NBA forwards
But Nate said today that Przy will be ready for fall camp, so (unless Joel is traded, which I think would be a mistake) we’ll see a lot more of Camby at the 4, and bigger lineups in general
at least I hope so
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[Dante’s] relative quickness to loose balls has improved and he’s mixing it up in all sorts of new and exciting ways
Cunningham has always been a scrapper and stong “off the ball” rebounder. He has the knack to judge the carom and get his body to where the ball will be, like all good rebounders do.
The thing that I’ve noticed that he’s working on is catching, facing, pump faking and driving. This is the next step of Ferno’s SF development. Chris Webber had some nice things to say about that on the NBATV broadcast
As far as Pendergraph goes…C-Webb recommended that Jeff mix in a pump-fake, about 15 times during the telecast
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C-Webb actually provided some pretty cogent analysis.
He definitely didn’t sound like just another knucklehead.
I would like to see more drives by Cunningham.
The Armon vs Patty analysis seems a little skewed from reality on Blazer's Edge
Patty is getting a raw deal around here. For one, I have been extremely impressed with his defensive intensity. In fact, he has been on par with Armon Johnson on the defensive end with his ball pressure and ability to draw charges. Further Patty Mills handle is beyond what Armon Johnson is showing. Ben’s statement that Patty’s offensive efficiency is pedestrian unless his jumper is falling, is off base. I have been very impressed with Patty’s ability to get to the hoop and finish. He also makes some nice passes from the perimeter into the paint.
I like what I’ve seen from Armon Johnson, but let’s be real, for a guy who keeps getting praised for his on ball defense, he got burned at the top of the perimeter by Bledsoe during the games final moments which led to the Blazes losing. Armon has an ok handle. Ball pressure bothers him more than it should for a point guard. He had one really nice lob pass to Dante on a semi-fast break for a dunk…but I would like to see him generate more easy opportunities at the basket for his teammates….IMO Patty is more consistent at this thus far. He is also going to have to improve his dribbling skills and ability to handle ball pressure if he is going to be successful at running the point guard in the NBA.
Right now, I think Patty is better running the offense the Armon, and is a superior point guard on the offensive end, and is not as far behind on the defensive end as some claim on this site. However, Armon is longer and isn’t such a mismatch on switches. Both players have much to work on, in order to get major minutes on the Blazers.
by JasonT on Jul 16, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

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