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Pritchard, LeGarie and What Happened

When Kevin Prichard was fired, everybody was asking, "What happened?" It was a legitimate question to ask, because we, as fans, didn’t know everything. Yet, maybe we did, we just were too emotionally involved to put the pieces together. So, based on memory, and reports, and a little Dwight Jaynes style conspiracy hypothesizing, I’ve tried to reconstruct the events that led to the firing of Kevin Pritchard. Let’s start with the information that we know. 

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• On January 9th, 2009, the Portland Trailblazers sent out an email to the NBA concerning one Darius Miles. The Portland Business Journal stated,

"Miller made the decision to send the e-mail in tandem with owner Paul Allen, General Manager Kevin Pritchard and Tod Leiweke, CEO of Allen’s Vulcan Sports and Entertainment division."

Also was quoted Miller’s explanation,

"There were those who thought we didn’t take the right approach and those who did think we took the right approach"

• On May 18th, 2009, Tom Penn "refused" the GM job in Minnesota when Portland offered him a raise and a promotion.

• On May 22nd, 2009, Timberwolves Owner Glen Taylor denied that Penn was offered the job while introducing new GM David Kahn.

"Taylor said nobody else turned down the job. Later, under prodding from Jerry Zgoda, he was even more specific, leaving no doubt that, under his interpretation anyway, reports that Lindsey and Penn were offered the job and were otherwise preferential to Kahn were, in Taylor's words, "inaccurate" and "false."" 

• On February 10th, 2010, Nets assistant coach, and Warren LeGarie client, Del Harris resigns. Al Iannazzone, writer for New Jersey paper, The Record, digs up some interesting information.

"A published report Tuesday quoted Harris saying part of "the plan" when he agreed to assist interim coach Kiki Vandeweghe was that it would be temporary. At some point, Harris would become head coach and Vandeweghe would return to his general manager’s position, which was news to Thorn."

"The report said Vandeweghe and Warren LeGarie – the agent for both men – told Harris how this would play out. Harris was quoted saying, "Kiki and Warren were adamant I not say anything about the plan so as not to undermine it; that it was totally understood between us.""

"Harris issued a three-paragraph statement the night he resigned, but two paragraphs were removed by Vandeweghe and LeGarie, the report said."

• On March 18th, 2010, Tom Penn is fired. Brian T. Smith quotes LeGarie,

"In my many years of doing this, nothing was more baffling or befuddling than this action with Tom," said Warren LeGarie, agent for Penn and Pritchard. "This is one I can’t explain."

• On March 25th, 2010, rumors of Kevin Pritchard being next are flying like crazy. But Owner Paul Allen dismisses them.

""I support everyone who works for me, including Kevin Pritchard, and that's why he's our general manager," Allen's statement said."

The Associated Press also included this,

"There was further conjecture when agent Warren LeGarie, who represents Pritchard and Penn, made comments to several reporters suggesting Penn's firing was a message to Pritchard."

• On June 24th, 2010, Kevin Pritchard was fired. Larry Miller himself describes (via Ben.) how it went down.

"I get to the Practice Facility, I got there at 12:30 or 1 o'clock. [Blazers General Manager] Kevin [Pritchard] pulls me aside and said, 'Hey, [Blazers Owner] Paul [Allen] and I had a conversation and we kind of agreed that we're going to part ways. I want to still do the draft, we're going to get through the draft and then you and I can sit down tomorrow and figure out what the process is.'"

"Later, Paul pulls me aside and kind of says the same thing. Like, 'Hey, I got here. Kevin approached me, things seem to be where they are, things haven't been good, let's talk about how we're going to resolve this.' And I guess they sat down, the two of them had a conversation. Coming out of that conversation was an agreement. It looks like it's time to part ways. But Kevin wanted to continue to do the draft. Paul wanted Kevin to continue to do the draft. So they agreed that they would do the draft and on Friday he and I would sit down and figure out the next steps."

"So that's what I was told. That's what I was thinking. We're still waiting for the draft to start... so I walk outside to get some fresh air. I walk outside and I see one of the security guys out there and we're kind of shooting the breeze, talking about the nice weather, and he says, "I just heard on Courtside that Kevin Pritchard [got fired]..."

"And then I look at my phone and it starts to blow up."

• On July 9th, 2010, Knicks General Manager Donnie Walsh denied rumors in the New York Post that he would retire, and Kevin Pritchard would take over as GM. The Associated Press said,

"The Post story said he "may possibly retire" within the week and listed recently fired Portland general manager Kevin Pritchard as the potential replacement. Pritchard has the same agent, Warren LeGarie, as Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni. "To my knowledge I've never talked to Kevin Pritchard, never talked to Warren LeGarie about this," Walsh said."

• On July 10th, 2010, Dwight Jaynes starts putting some pieces together on Warren LeGarie, prompting me to look at the whole picture again. So thanks Dwight, even if I think you’re kinda curmudgeonly most of the time.

So What Happened?

What follows is speculation. I think it’s speculation based on the evidence presented. And I’m open to evidence that I may have overlooked. I have biases. I have a perspective. And anyone who thinks something like this can be done without them can go live in the vacuum of space.

The Email

This is the most speculative part of this piece. I don’t know what happened, but given what has happened since, this doesn’t feel like a stretch. But the email was universally seen in hindsight as a colossally bad idea. And since it had Larry Miller’s email address on it, he took all the blame. But we also know that some approved the idea and others did not. We’ll have no way to know for sure, but at the time I think it was generally assumed that Allen, Miller and Leiweke (the business/lawyer types) were for it, while Pritchard was against it, due to the public relation backlash it would cause.

But here’s the rub. What if LeGarie saw this as an opportunity for Penn and Pritchard to get raises (which would in turn get himself a raise). Darius Miles was on the verge of ruining 9 million dollars in cap space, and the Blazers were scared. What better time to set something up? LeGarie would have had nothing to lose.

What if (a big what if to be sure), but what if the email was not Allen’s idea, nor Leiweke’s idea, nor Miller’s idea, but Kevin Pritchard’s idea, via his close friend, Warren? Being an agent, LeGarie would know the legal end far better than Pritchard. And being an agent, LeGarie could make it sound like a great idea. And Pritchard was naïve enough to believe it was in the team’s best interest.

When it was brought up, not everyone agreed it would be a good idea. I’m guessing that as a person who was in charge of bringing the Air Jordan image to the public would have a PR conniption over such a thing. An email like that, if it were to go public, would be a nightmare. But Allen, interested in what the cap-space could bring in, and Leiweke, interested in the bottom line, agreed with the proposal. But since such an email would be fitting from the president’s office, and Miller bought into the "working as a team" motto, then he agreed to be the one to send the email.

And of course the email went public. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the recipients knew it was coming. Opinion of Miller plummeted, and Legarie’s plan to put his client in Miller’s position was off to a great start.

Tom Penn's Promotion

Four months later, another opportunity presented itself. Minnesota was looking for a new GM, and had expressed passing interest in LeGarie’s client, Tom Penn. LeGarie knew that Penn didn’t have a good chance at the job, but that didn’t mean that an opportunity wasn’t available.

LeGarie advised Penn to lie. Tell Allen that he had been offered the job, but would rather stay with the Blazers. And LeGarie did his part, leaking to the media that the job was Penn’s to turn down. So now it appeared that two independent sources were verifying the job offer. It was now Allen’s move. Could he keep Penn? Keep a valuable employee? After all, how could Allen compete with a GM position? Perhaps with Miller’s position, sans Miller. Penn had already proven his worth to the Blazers. Miller was already reeling in public opinion. It would only make sense.

Except it didn’t work out quite as well as that. Penn got a promotion, and a raise. A nice consolation prize. And Allen thought that he kept a valuable employee. Seems to be win-win for everyone involved. Except that Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor came out and denied that Penn was ever offered the job. This raised some glaring questions.

It wouldn’t take Miller long to figure out that someone was after his job. It wouldn’t take Allen long to find out he had been hornswoggled. But there wasn’t much that they could do at this point. It seemed a little too unbelievable to be true.

Del Harris Screws Up the Plan

That is until February 10th, when Del Harris resigned from the assistant coaching job with the Nets. There was a LeGarie plan that fell apart because one of his clients got impatient. Harris spilled the beans on the plan, and Vandeweghe and LeGarie tried to cover up as much of it as possible, taking two paragraphs out of Harris’ resignation letter before sending it to higher-ups.

Miller and Allen would both notice the similarities in the story once the details came out of Harris’ loose lips. LeGarie was Penn’s agent, and Penn’s plan looked very similar. And one month later, Penn was fired. LeGarie’s name was no longer welcome at One Center Court, for good reason. LeGarie was trying to make a power play for control of the Blazers. He had Penn’s ear, and was trying to make Penn president by undermining the Blazer organization. There was little to decide, Anyone associated with LeGarie was trouble waiting to happen.

Kevin Pritchard's Last Stand

Even if that anyone included wonder-GM Kevin Pritchard. There must have been suspicion. Penn and Pritchard were close. Pritchard’s proposal of the Miles Email set Miller up to fail. Pritchard followed LeGarie’s tactics (as described by Chad Ford, via Ben.). "There has to be a certain level of trust. For both of us, if they are going to lie, it's a problem, right?  Because I can't trust them. I had several individuals, I'm not going to name them on the podcast, who just flat out said,

"You've got to trust me. I've never lied to you before. Chad, I'm not trying to steer you astray." And then flat out bald faced told me a lie."

LeGarie’s move destroyed the trust management had in Kevin Pritchard. They didn’t know if they could trust him to do what was in the best interests of the Blazers. But the Blazers didn’t necessarily want to fire a very talented general manager. So, those in the organization who had LeGarie as an agent were asked to replace him. A request that made it’s way back to LeGarie. And he figured if the Blazers wanted to play hardball, so could he. His highest profile client, Kevin Pritchard became a pawn in the match between the Blazers and LeGarie.

It was LeGarie that let people know that the Blazers were trying to send a message to Pritchard with the firing. It was LeGarie who fueled the rumors of management ready to fire Pritchard at any moment. It was LeGarie who orchestrated the media circus to paint Allen and Miller as villains. And we bought it, hook, line and sinker.

Who knows how much of what we read was lies. Who knows how much of what we read was LeGarie trying to destroy public trust in the Blazers. And being a reputable source, LeGarie’s words were published by every major news outlet. The media was had. The public was had. We were had. And yet, if we would have just looked, we could have seen that it’s LeGarie’s modus operandi.

But we weren’t the only ones. Kevin Pritchard bought it too. LeGarie and Pritchard figured that the best way out of the situation was not to fire LeGarie, but to look every bit the Goldenboy image that they had built up for Kevin. Because if Kevin Pritchard was not going to fire LeGarie, the two options left were to scuttle the organization, or run it flawlessly in the hopes to land a better job. And LeGarie doesn’t get paid to do the former.

So Kevin does his job to the best of his abilities, knowing the whole time that he wouldn’t be with the organization. It was the Blazers who were waiting to decide. Kevin had made his decision. Because if even one of his moves turns out bad, it makes finding a job much more difficult.

So why not manufacture a move? A move that almost happens. A big move. A move that was sold as "The move that would have saved Kevin Pritchard’s job." And nothing gets Portlanders talking like a move for Chris Paul. Pritchard leaks to Quick that they’re trying to make a move for an All-Star. LeGarie leaks that Pritchard’s job is on the line over the move (even though they have already decided to leave). And LeGarie, a few days later, leaks that Portland was very close to trading for Chris Paul, only to have ownership balk at the last second.

What a bold move! Portland gets excited about Pritchard. The calls to keep him mount exponentially. Bower gets in trouble with Shinn, ultimately losing his job. And a destination is eventually opened. But Bower doesn’t get fired right away. And we’re getting ahead of ourselves.

Draft Day

Draft day arrives. The deadline for Pritchard to let Allen know if he’s going to dump LeGarie and stay, or keep LeGarie and leave. But this day has been planned long in advance. Kevin Pritchard says he’s keeping LeGarie, and will leave after the draft is done, as agreed. Allen is disappointed, but has already given the ultimatum. Only LeGarie leaks the news an hour before the draft, leaving Portland looking like the biggest jerks ever. "Pritchard Fired but Still Working the Draft." How much better can Pritchard possibly look coming out of this?

Later, Dean Demopolis and Joe Prunty, both LeGarie clients, are asked to leave. Which makes jittery fans panic even more. Allen and Miller look like complete jerks to everyone. But here’s the thing about Allen. He doesn’t really care about his public image. Whether people are praising him or villifying him doesn’t seem to matter. Because the Blazers are his team. Not Portland’s team, but his. Portland is just there to help pay the bills. He’ll do what he thinks will help his team win. And public opinion can be damned.

The image restructuring that blossomed under Pritchard was sold, not as a way to improve the public image, but as a way to win more basketball games. A team player is going to win more games than a me-first player. That’s all there was to it. That it made Portland happy was simply a nice side effect.

Paul Allen's Toy

The Blazers are Paul Allen’s toy. And us fans are just hangers-on. Rooting for this team that follows where it’s owner goes. Canzano completely missed the point. The fans have no power. The fans really have nothing, except the gift of professional basketball in their town. But because it’s a team we love, we can excuse the owner for being rich, for treating it like his toy, because he wants that toy to be the best, just like we do.

But because it’s his toy, because he doesn’t care what you think, he can fire Kevin Pritchard. If he was beholden to the fans and their opinion, KP would still be here. And if he were still here, decisions might possibly get made that were not in the Blazers’ best interests. At least Warren LeGarie’s history shows us that this is likely true.

If Allen were worried about public opinion, then you would have to say LeGarie won the battle between the two. But while LeGarie is dropping bombs on dummy towns, Allen fought back by trying to get the best people in position to try and make the Blazers the best team in the NBA.

What Happens Now?

And now, LeGarie has to find a new home for his clients. Donnie Walsh just denied reports that he was retiring and reports that Kevin Pritchard was going to replace him. I wonder who leaked a story like that? And just today, the story of Tom Penn being a frontrunner for the Phoenix GM job? I wonder in Robert Sarver knows this yet.

As for me, all this has only deepened my distrust of early media reports. "Sources" are no longer good enough sources, because "Sources" lie a lot. And it gets published as news. And we Blazer fans consume it with abandon.

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…. my only qualm here is the Minnesota angle. It is highly unlikely that an owner would give a raise to an employee who has an offer in hand without requiring that person to disclose the actual offer document. If that is the case, and Penn/LeGarie know it, that part of your conspiracy theory falls apart.

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by Gekko Mojo on Jul 14, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Have no idea what the requirements are but the document does seem like a good idea.

ESPECIALLY given LaGarie’s tactics. But maybe the upper management just TRUSTED Penn. Maybe they had no reason NOT to trust him.
I’d say that all who have LaGarie as an agent would require ALL DOCUMENTATION necessary to PROVE whatever…if it was me. Or I’d go the route PA has taken….get rid of him or you are out of here.
I am sure there are plenty of more honest, less manipulative agents out there…LaGarie has set the bar fairly low.

by Natsthecat on Jul 16, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot one important piece

(it may be in there and I missed it), but what about KP basically siding with Brandon Roy, telling the media that he thought Roy deserved a max contract. Subsequently he was pulled from the contract negotiations and also LMA’s extension negotiation.

At the time everybody was getting really antsy that it was taking too long and how could the team do this to him, and we all tended to agree with KP that he was right that Roy did deserve the max so give him his money already.

Think about that for a second. KP was the team’s agent and he basically was arguing against his client’s best interest (Allen) trying to get the other side whatever they wanted. That’s amateur hour at its worst.

by nikolokolus on Jul 14, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

amateur hour at its worst.

I’ll argue the point:

1) Roy was in fact a max player. The team had no leverage, another team would have surely offered the max this summer and forced us to match;

2) Arguing a position that was doomed to fail and was terrible public relations made no sense. Fans would have freaked out if the Vulcans had taken a hardball position against a max contract;

3) KP understood Roy’s value and understood the looming public relations disaster;

If you look at it from this POV, the amateur was not KP, but PA and the Vulcans.

by upper left corner on Jul 15, 2010 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll answer

1) It was much in Roy’s advantage to sign a max last summer, due to the threat of injury. The team had limited leverage, but not none. The question was never of max or not max, anyway. The fact that LMA got what he got demonstrates the team was always ready to pay Roy max. The question was length, incentives, guarantees, etc, etc.
2) KP didn’t have to say anything except “we are in negotiations”. He didn’t have to “argue a position that was doomed to fail”.
3) If KP understood that, he should have been (and undoubtedly was) arguing that internally.

If you look at it from this POV, the amateur was not KP, but PA and the Vulcans.

Only if you assume that they were trying to not give Roy a max contract, which is not a credible position to assume, given what happened (they actually did give him a max contract, after all, so it isn’t well-founded to assume they were trying to block that).

I don’t see any evidence of amateurism with PA and the Vulcans here.

Where I disagree with nikolokolus is in assuming it actually was amateurish of KP, either. They were undoubtedly saying privately, to Roy and his agent, that he was a max contract, that it was length/structure to be worked out.

In fact, PA and KP may well have agreed that KP was to say that publicly to try to quell the firestorm by assuring the hyperventilators among us that the team did intend to sign Roy and give him the max. That’s what I would have done. “Yes, of course he’s a max player, we’re just working out all the details, and these things take some time. Everyone should just relax a little and try to cool off in the summer heat.”

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by jscot on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

The GM is the agent of the Organizations interests. Roy has an agent to care for his interests. It is extremely unprofessional to speak publically against your organization on behalf of the other party AND make the organization look bad in the process. The need for the Organization to remove thGM from negotiations should have signalled to all of us KP was walking a fine line already. We just allowed ourselves to be blinded against that reality out of an emotional connection.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jul 16, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I don't understand is why PA would be upset with KP and TP trying to usurp

Larry Miller. How is that a breach of his confidence? I think we’re filling the blanks with whatever we want to fit the story, when the more likely scenario is that PA was ticked off that KP and TP were taking all the credit for the Blazers’ success. I believe this is an ego thing.

by premthegrem on Jul 14, 2010 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

employers don't necessarily like it when employees act in their own interest above the interest of the company

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by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT

by Tyler Durrden on Jul 14, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ego

I can’t accept that Paul Allen’s is so fragile as to need credit for fixing his broken team. He’s not that kind of eccentric billionaire. This story makes a lot more sense than the idea that “the Golden Boy was shining too brightly for Mr Burns’ ego”

by LOM on Jul 14, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

from all accounts Paul is not interested in receiving credit

the jealousy of KP and Penn more likely was felt by those at Vulcan (Kolde, etc)

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by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't buy the ego line

I think it’s the weakest of all the explanations. Pritchard hardly ever came off as basking in his own glory. In fact, he often praised his scouts, PA and even Nate whenever possible.

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by iDea on Jul 14, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

agents and league execs paint a different picture of Kevin

but that’s not what got KP fired. It just made him unpopular around the league. LeGarie is trying to find KP a new job, but he seems to be using power plays rather than going through a a process where Pritchard’s next employer reaches out first, with interest in hiring him

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by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd heard ESPN last...

now where did I hear that… LeGarie strikes again!!!

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by 500dogs on Jul 14, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are on to something

I’ve never heard the “fire LeGarie or your fired” ultimatum, but is makes sense.

KP is definitely good at evaluating talent, and your scenario explains why he was dismissed when it happened.

No way Paul Allen planned to fire KP an hour before the draft…LeGarie is the only explanation!!

I’m not sure about the grab for Miller’s job, however, I bet that is a bit of a stretch.

by 3pointer on Jul 14, 2010 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

KP or Legarrie (likely Legarrie) leaked that information before the draft started. No way the Vulcan's decide that it looks good for them to do that.

If you follow Larry Millers statement about KP asking PA about his job status, it’s clear that they found they had irreconcilable differences, but KP wanted to finish the draft anyways. This was twisted by the media as a gloating, malevolent Paul Allen lording over KP as he toiled away his last moments in his charge being humiliated and prodded with an electrode so that he knew who was in charge. Puuuuhhh-lllleaaaassseeee! Why would KP willingly go through that? Why would anybody go through that? These aren’t samurai’s we’re talking about here people…

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by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT

by Tyler Durrden on Jul 14, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure about the grab for Miller’s job, however, I bet that is a bit of a stretch.

Not at all, it’s consistent with LeGarie’s modus operandi, as the OP illustrated. (Other examples of this have already been previously provided)

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by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m certain the salary of the team president is substantially higher than assistant general manager, and I’m pretty sure LeGarie gets paid in percentages. Not to mention the power that comes to LeGarie having the president and GM of a team in hand. It would be an open door to the hiring of the entirety of the basketball staff.

by superfly05 on Jul 15, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I think some of your conjectures might be a stretch, but I’m also sure there is a lot of truth in it. I was convinced a long time ago that LeGarie was the draft day leak. The timing would intensify the sympathy for KP and hate for upper mgt.

I have yet to understand why a general manager needs an agent. There are only 30 GM positions available. As a GM, your work is very public and should speak for itself (with caveats about owners making many/most? of the decisions.) If there is an opening you would make it known you were interested. You get interviewed or not. End of story. Why do you need a middle man – especially one who does you no favors? I can understand why an author trying to find a publisher or an actor looking for a role would need an agent to find the trees in the forest, but when there are only 30 positions, most of which are not available?

by jorga on Jul 14, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I assume agents help negotiate contracts, scan the lay of the land for possible future opportunities ...

for his or her client when that person is still employed, do the leg work when it comes to making calls to set up interviews, et cetera.

by AK1984 on Jul 14, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how it works in the sports world versus hollywood, but...

… down here, agents provide two things. Credibility (which is more important than gold here) and contract negotiation. They don’t get you gigs or interviews (some might here and there, but generally they just collect their 10% and let you do everything else). Some big name agencies help put package deals together for studios using their client base (we’ll get you spielberg directing, Zemeckis producing, and three of our top stars attached).

Again, likely different due to the market, but essentially agents exist to negotiate contracts, and milk the most money out of any negotiation possible, since their take is directly tied to YOUR take. As a result, it’s not uncommon for agents to sacrifice their clients’ interests (rights to various elements of the property, job security etc.) in exchange for the highest dollar value.

by zaruga on Jul 14, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like good conjecture to me

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by Garden of ODEN on Jul 14, 2010 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I imagine myself more in the role of G. K. Chesterton's Father Brown.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of this is right in line with my own theories about what happened

I don’t think Del Harris and Kiki Vandeweigh have anything to do with the Vulcan’s decision however. I think Legarrie and Penn and Pritchard made their own beds. One thing that I think is especially telling is how gracious they have all been towards the Blazers organization. Since the termination of both Pritch and Penn, I have not heard them say one negative thing about the Trailblazers. Neither have we heard the Trailblazers expound upon the reasons for their termination. What this tells me is Pritch and Penn feel like they are lucky to not have the truth exposed as it could tarnish their image and damage potential future employment, and therefore are not looking to poke the sleeping giant so to speak. And from the Blazers side, they are not out to destroy anybody’s image as long as they aren’t pressed to do so. I’m not saying anybody involved is a bad person, sometimes people get caught up in stuff, and Pritch was the lowest paid GM in the league, so maybe he was looking to improve his position.

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by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT

by Tyler Durrden on Jul 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

That both parties are content to keep the details quiet is telling.

LaGarie took a lot of initiative to make very public anti-front office comments about the Blazer’s front office. On the one hand, I understand he is “standing up for his clients.” However, I tend to think it was an effort to deflect attention from him and his clients, and in turn paint the Blazer’s front office in a bad light.

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by silkybrown on Jul 14, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pritch was the lowest paid GM in the league, so maybe he was looking to improve his position.

There is no doubt about this. n the past, several “unnamed sources” reported that KP was overheard complaining about the disparity between his salary and Nate’s

And it’s certainly in LeGarie’s interest to find KP and Penn more high-paying jobs

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by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec for intricacy

it seems plausible…while i doubt it’s 100 percent on the money, parts are more plausible than the common narrative, that’s for sure.

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by DominicanAvenger on Jul 14, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

just a thought

this theory would definitely explain larry miller’s laughter at the idea that he was gunning for pritchard’s job at the press conference following the firing.

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by DominicanAvenger on Jul 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it starts with Darius Miles...

but it may go even deeper than that. They could have held on to Miles, kept the insurance money, and we would have had DMEC to go along with RLEC. They chose to waive him based on the “independent” doctor’s assessment. Someone messed up on their due diligence, either with the NBA or with getting sufficient assurance that he would never play again, which is what led to the Memphis fiasco in the first place.

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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 14, 2010 5:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You can’t get nothin’ past the T Darkstar!

Good read!

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by Blazer1342 on Jul 14, 2010 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

great read

one potential problem i see though is why wouldn’t pritchard have fired legarrie by now if he is such a conniver? a lot of this story seems that KP was caught unaware by the behind the scenes actions that his agent was taking, but now that everything has unfolded, he’d be able to see pretty clearly what went wrong. and the only logical conclusion from KP’s part would be, “my agent left me out to dry when i was in a pretty good situation”. so the fact that he hasn’t fired lagarrie yet makes me wonder if this didn’t go down a little differently

by bluthbanana on Jul 14, 2010 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I think LeGarie sold KP hard on the fact that he was the lowest paid GM in the league.

And that it wouldn’t be a problem finding a lucrative deal if he held on. And the fact that it might even be true probably made it very believable.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kevin has to think about the next 20 years of his career

LeGarie is more valuable to him than Paul Allen or the Blazer’s job

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stop writing the truth!

If you keep this up, BEdge is going to start limiting my "rec"s.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Which is why it was easy for KP to have his firing leaked, and sit in the draft war room with a smug look on his face while everyone else was trying to put out the fire. At least that’s how I’m imagining it.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

Agents are worthless parasites. One is as good as the next.

by zaruga on Jul 14, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are only two that represent basically every NBA GM. They may be worthless parasites, but they’re worthless parasites that know how to get the right stories planted and know how to negotiate the right deals.

by atomiccafe on Jul 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's really bad for the NBA in general.

Just as having only two major agencies is bad for Hollywood.

Of course, a lot of people are at the point where they’d like to turn over the whole system and exclude agents (the parasites) and studios (giant banks that micromanage every creative aspect of their investments) but that’s a lot to overcome.

by zaruga on Jul 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

namely,

that’s a lot of MONEY to overcome.

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by musicdaniel on Jul 15, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

in the NBA, LeGarie has connections

could KP have switched reps and stayed in Portland? Possibly, and he would be earning 850k this year and next

But if WLG can leverage KP’s rep as a GM who can acquire young talent, they both may get sizable raises in the near future. Kevin is not going to represent himself and do this well. Remember, WLG got Prtichard the Portland gig in the first place. He was buried under RC Buford in San Antonio with little hope of advancement and would still be there today if not for he and his agent’s ambition

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by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's that saying? The Devil is in the details?

It makes complete sense, you’re conjecture. The best liars are the ones who tell the truth about everything except the smallest detail(s).

Thank you for the insight. I am humbled and impressed with your critical thinking skills and am officially regretful that I bought into any of this “consiparcy” theory about the FO. I am indeed happy I never once bought that KP was fired for being “too good” of a GM.

Now if you can explain the ref’s call bias’ and the plague of injuries you will be epic!

by AtlBlzr on Jul 14, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

"...and the guy from the bucks"

lol

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"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

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"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

starts with a C

if he’s actually hired I’ll learn how to spell it

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by two4larue on Jul 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec

I tend to think along the same lines: “Thank you, GM and assistant coaches for getting us to this point, we’re ready to move on to someone who can get us through the next phase.”

Ryan Gomes: forever a Blazer in our hearts.

by musicdaniel on Jul 15, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

The media was had. The public was had. We were had.

The organization did nothing to change this. One of my frustrations with the whole mess was that the team didn’t even have the good sense to mislead me. A million smokescreens could have gone up to distract and befuddle the fans, but all we got was a brick wall. That kinda hurt. It’s one thing to say that we have no power, but aren’t we deserving of a little respect? It can be argued that misleading us would have been disrespectful, but think of this:

you’re walking down the street and someone asks you for change; you’ve got couple bucks, but you wanted to get a cup of coffee. Having decided not to give away the money, you…

a) stop, explain your preference for coffee over charity, perhaps have an argument, and move on.
b) say, “sorry, I don’t have any change”.
c) pretend you didn’t hear them, pick up the pace, and ignore the curses slung at your back.

Maybe a good person with time to spare chooses a), but they’re probably more likely to go with b). The person that goes with c) is not going to be very well liked, and has likely made a poor impression not only on the person asking for change, but passersby as well.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 14, 2010 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

What the media says, what the fans say, none of it matters.

Not to Allen. That you buy tickets and merchandise is nice, in that he doesn’t have to spend all his own money. But I’m not sure Allen cares what the public thinks.

Vulcan, on the other hand is probably freaking out, but they’re not about to go against Allen on anything.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allen coming face-to-face with mortality because of cancer would reinforce this

and I was just reading a book about the rich — and the subject, who was “only” worth $750 million, was talking about how different the lives of billionaires are.

Paul Allen could buy ten jet fighters and invade Honduras or Guatemala if he felt like it. I for one am happy that it diverts him and gives him pleasure to watch basketball, and that his team is the Trailblazers, and he wants very badly to see them win an NBA Championship.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 14, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I posited this some time ago

Allen wants a championship before he dies. He may have been given a timeline on his mortality. He’s ready to dump everything we’ve worked for (and I mean WE) over the last few years to get that championship while he can still enjoy it – which didn’t settle well with KP who wanted to continue to grow the team as a showcase of his GM skills. KP may have dared to argue which would not sit well with a gazillionaire.

by jorga on Jul 15, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not General Swarzkopf or anything

but would it really only take 10 fighter jets to take over Guatemala? Man, I love their coffee. I’m going to start saving up.

Ryan Gomes: forever a Blazer in our hearts.

by musicdaniel on Jul 15, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just love reading a good conspiracy theory.

While I certainly appreciate the local angle of the story, it needs some further development before it can become as fascinating as the JFK assassination of the moon landings.

by jigglyai on Jul 14, 2010 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

maybe Pritchard got fired for gunning for Miller's office...

you know the one: down, and to the left. down, and to the left.

by where's billy ray on Jul 14, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is no reason for pritchard to want millers job

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by Philthyanimal on Jul 15, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent read, plausible theory.

I think you’ve got the main gist of things, especially the Warren LeGarie angle. Some of the small details are likely off, and I’m sure there’s more that we haven’t seen, but overall a well-thought out and convincing theory.

(Although convincing me isn’t much because the LeGarie end-run hypothesis has made the most sense to me from the start.)

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by austinpwnz on Jul 14, 2010 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

The most important message is to not take any story without direct quotes very seriously.

And to check those quotes when they are presented.

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by staylost on Jul 14, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

This is a great read

And a great attempt to piece together the other side of the story. How do you figure the Vulcans factor into this? Grouped with Allen, or even more underlying motivations?

by Rohan on Jul 14, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I've got no clue on the Vulcans.

I think they’d like Allen to be a little more public relations oriented. Because Allen plowed through the whole things as though the media didn’t matter. I suppose from his perspective it doesn’t, but that can’t go over well for his holdings company.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

here's part of my theory about this whole thing

click here

I'm a Greg Oden honk, yeah.

Even when I was still a Sonic fan, I liked Oden more than Kevin Durant.

by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT

by Tyler Durrden on Jul 14, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

This whole crazy story is the closest thing you will ever find to a male soap opera, period.

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by halo_on on Jul 14, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

True.

Sports is the only socially approved emotional outlet for men. Every other outlet is, well, awkward.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

fork and wall outlet is extremely bad too...

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Jul 14, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

and many of them will land you in the pen

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by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent job, T Darkstar.

Really. You go down in this website’s Hall Of Fame.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 14, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

This is really good.

High off of love.
Drunk from the hate.

by fajunga on Jul 14, 2010 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic

Thank you for putting this out there. Very well written. SOO much of what has been printed in the media just doesn’t pass the “gut test” as KP would put it. This line of reasoning does. rec rec rec.

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by BlazerFanDave on Jul 14, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Mega-rec.

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by TheTinfoil on Jul 14, 2010 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Epic read. I think several aspects of your theory are spot on. 50 car pile-up WRECK!!! with guts smeared all over the road.

I never thought about the Darius Miles letter that much, but it did feel like the beginning if something ugly when it happened.

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by dario argento on Jul 14, 2010 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

i <3 conspiracy theories. especially ones that are plausible.

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by cloudydays on Jul 14, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Well written and entertaining.

Also: revisionist hooey.

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by timbo on Jul 14, 2010 10:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Could be.

Can’t defend myself against that one. I am a self-admitted blind homer.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 14, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with Timbo on this one. Entertaining, but very unlikely.

The events are correct, but the story written around the is a major stretch. It doesn’t pass occam’s razor.

First, a lot of the storyline hinges on portrayals of KP and Miller that I find difficult to believe:

1. “I’m guessing that as a person who was in charge of bringing the Air Jordan image to the public would have a PR conniption over such a thing.”

Nothing in Larry Miller’s background suggests he has PR skills. Here is a good rundown on his career which started in finance and moved into executive management:
http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2009/11/02/story9.html

Yes, he pushed the Jordan brand, but there is a BIG difference between marketing and advertising versus public relations and crisis management. These are part of my educational and professional background.

2. “Pritchard was naïve enough to believe it was in the team’s best interest.”

This is the first time that I’ve seen Miller described as being more PR savvy than Pritchard. It is also the first time I’ve seen Pritchard described as naive. Finally, Pritchard is being described as naive about PR.

Wow. This is inconsistent with the two men we’ve observed over the last two years.

Just look at that the way the announcement of Pritchard’s dismissal was handled. Yes, it was leaked before the Blazers wanted it to, but the first rule of crisis communications is to get out ahead of the story. Instead, it took Miller until the following Monday on a safe, friendly radio show hosted by Blazer employees to tell a story of how the dismissal happened that made some sense.

What should have been done was for Miller to immediately call a press conference and say, “Kevin and Paul met. They had a great discussion. They mutually decided that it was best if they part ways. Kevin is a true professional and offered to continue through the draft tonight. Our original plan was to announce their decision in a couple of days so that we could keep the focus on the draft and let these young men have a chance to shine. But now that the news is out, we thought it was best to let everyone know what is going on…”

Instead, the first person to show great PR sense on behalf of the Blazers organization after Pritchard was let go was Pritchard himself with the open letter that he wrote.

My point is this:

The entire post is built on a shaky foundation. From that shaky foundation, faulty conclusions and conjecture are drawn.

Here is what I believe to be true:

  • LaGarie is a loose cannon and a problem. He has meddled where he shouldn’t and had a role here, but isn’t a mastermind.
  • Pritchard is not without fault. His firing may very well have been warranted.
  • There may have been a power play at work. In fact, it is likely. At the very least, Pritchard and Penn were not seen as toeing the company line.
  • Allen, the Vulcans and Miller by extension’s biggest problem is their lack of PR savvy. If they were more personable and able to communicate better a lot these problems wouldn’t be so big.
  • Like most things, the truth isn’t in big master plans and conspiracies, but individual personalities and egos. The human part is the hardest part.

by grigs on Jul 16, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um, I agree, but:

I’m trying to find points of differentiation between the original post and this summary:

My point is this:

The entire post is built on a shaky foundation. From that shaky foundation, faulty conclusions and conjecture are drawn.

Here is what I believe to be true:

LaGarie is a loose cannon and a problem. He has meddled where he shouldn’t and had a role here, but isn’t a mastermind.
Pritchard is not without fault. His firing may very well have been warranted.
There may have been a power play at work. In fact, it is likely. At the very least, Pritchard and Penn were not seen as toeing the company line.
Allen, the Vulcans and Miller by extension’s biggest problem is their lack of PR savvy. If they were more personable and able to communicate better a lot these problems wouldn’t be so big.
Like most things, the truth isn’t in big master plans and conspiracies, but individual personalities and egos. The human part is the hardest part.

Kind of sounds like the same thing.

by superfly05 on Jul 17, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very different things

The narrative that Darkstar weaves is one that make LeGarie out to be a mastermind and Pritchard to be naive to machinations.

Darkstar’s interpretation puts everyone in the best possible light except LeGarie. Pritchard is naive and being manipulated by LeGarie. Allen, Miller and the Vulcans see what’s going on and evict the fox from the henhouse. Pritchard was just a victim of the battle.

My interpretation is there was no master plan. LeGarie role was limited to Penn’s firing and possibly Penn’s Minnesota offer. Those two incidents plus his public comments were enough to blacklist him.

I just can’t believe that people believe the LeGarie talked Pritchard into convincing Blazers management to write the Darius Miles letter as part of an uber plan to undermine Larry Miller. I mean READ that sentence. How likely is that?

I believe the only way this sounds like a plausible outcome is if you looking for a scenario that keeps all of the people you like (Pritchard) and the people you’re stuck with (Allen and Miller) in the best light possible. Then it is necessary that someone from outside had to be responsible for the problems.

Don’t get me wrong. LeGarie caused problems. He shouldn’t be trusted. But prompted the Darius Miles letter? Come on.

by grigs on Jul 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

As I said in the post, that's the part that's the shakiest.

Just trying to see if it made sense. I thought it might, so I included it. You can throw that part out if you like.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 17, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul Allen and the Vulcans could be better at PR...but they don't NEED to be.

So they’re not.
I think it’s great that they didn’t get into the whole gossip thing.
And didn’t bother with defending their position.
Maybe they feel they have nothing to defend.

by Natsthecat on Jul 19, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a great point

The actual number of obsessed fans that even know who Kevin Pritchard and Tom Penn are are probably less than 5% of the fan base. It’s easy for us here in blog-land to spin out and stew on conspiracies, while I bet more than half the people in the Rose Garden for a home game can’t even name all the guys on the bench.

by superfly05 on Jul 19, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for this. Plausable and possible....

Will we ever know the truth? I also wonder what part the failure to move the LaFrentz expiring contract played?

by Iluvdisteam on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

AWESOME.

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by faith on Jul 15, 2010 12:06 AM PDT reply actions  

You're actually overthinking this one. Allow me to speculate...

There was no “attempted coup” for Larry Miller’s position. To lose his position, Miller would have had to make some big mistakes, and that didn’t happen.

What it comes down to is using a fake job offer as leverage for more pay. There was no reason to distrust Penn or LeGarie until Taylor’s comments. A little more fact checking revealed the Blazers had been duped. By then the ink was dry on the contract. Why is Penn a commentator for ESPN and not with another team? Because he’s still getting paid by the Blazers, and getting paid more than he could earn from another team. It was no-risk deal for Penn & LeGarie. Remember that the more money Penn gets, the more LeGarie gets.

In retaliation KP was given a deadline to dump LeGarie. Basically PA asked, “are you with us, or are you with them?” At this moment KP has a choice – he can continue to be a low-paid exec, or stick with his agent and maybe land a bigger payday based on his reputation. When KP doesn’t dump LeGarie immediately, he loses PA’s trust. No more phone calls, no more courtside seats.

This leads in to your KP’s Last Stand section, which is right on the money. People who floated Kiki’s name as a GM candidate had no clue that the Blazers aren’t hiring a LeGarie client, period. As Ben stated just yesterday, any Kiki buzz has vanished.

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by Blazerholic on Jul 15, 2010 12:31 AM PDT reply actions  

the fake job offer is definitely the key

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by Philthyanimal on Jul 15, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

People who floated Kiki’s name as a GM candidate had no clue that the Blazers aren’t hiring a LeGarie client, period. As Ben stated just yesterday, any Kiki buzz has vanished.

The media reported early in the process that Vandeweghe would be interviewed, along wiht Ferry and Pfund. Kiki and LeGarie are friends, but KV is not directly represented by Warren. KV and Allen have remained friends since the late ‘80s, so if KV was considered to be the best candidate for the Blazer’s GM position his relationship with WLG would not automatically prevent him being hired by Paul.

Fortunately for Blazer fans, Kiki is not seen as the best candidate for Portland’s GM job by the head hunter or Miller, and if Vandeweghe had been hired because of his friendship with PA there would’ve been a media/fan outcry that would have had nothing to do with LeGarie and all about “nepotism” and KV’s track record

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by two4larue on Jul 15, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Cool blog by the way

by Rohan on Jul 15, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks! You too.

Enjoy Monty (and maybe KP)!

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by Mr. Knox on Jul 15, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Entertaining read

no idea what happened, but I do think one takeaway is that Paul Allen got unjustly villified. We have noooo idea what happened…and just because PA is too classy to spill the crap that was going on doesn’t mean we should beat him up.

He’s bled red and black for years and years and years. I trust him over a GM who’s only been around for 4 or 5

by prezofdeath on Jul 15, 2010 1:33 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a brilliant, brilliant post

It should have 100+ recs.

I thought about writing something like this, but was tired of the whole subject.

There’s a ton of speculation in this, and a lot of it I wouldn’t have speculated. But here’s the thing — your speculations fit better with more of the facts than the “KP is a demigod, PA/LM are jerks” received wisdom that most of Bedge has seemed to accept.

It is a lot easier to construct plausible scenarios that share the blame widely, or even put most of the blame on KP/Penn, than to believe the silly idea that KP and Penn did nothing wrong and it has all been simply horrible mismanagement by Paul Allen/Vulcan/Larry Miller. There is more than one side to this story, and the Paul Allen/Larry Miller side hasn’t really come out. But we have facts, and any theories have to fit well with the facts and with human nature.

When LeGarie started bashing the Blazers after Penn was fired, it guaranteed one of three outcomes: 1) Paul Allen was going to knuckle under to pressure and give KP a lot more money and an extension. 2) KP was going to fire LeGarie for bashing his organization. 3) PA was going to fire KP because his agent was bashing his organization and KP wouldn’t take action to stop him doing so.

Since billionaires don’t have to knuckle under to pressure, #1 wasn’t going to happen. You can appeal to PA’s sense of what is right, you can appeal to what makes business sense, but I can pretty much guarantee that you can’t pressure him into paying you more money, and if you try it’s going to backfire. Since #2 didn’t happen, #3 was almost inevitable. When LeGarie started bashing Portland after Penn’s firing, he effectively wrote the letter from PA firing KP. When KP didn’t fire LeGarie, he put PA’s signature on that letter. That much of what you’ve written isn’t really speculation, it’s about 99% certain.

I don’t buy the Miles email speculation. You rightly called that a weak link in the argument. I’d have left it out entirely. That email had Paul Allen written all over it. It was about a whole lot of money that was coming out of his pocket, and he was mad about it. KP did not like the email — his statements about it did not say that he thought it was a good idea or the right thing to do, just that “we decided together”. That means “I’m playing the team game”. KP was definitely one to explain why he believed that what he was doing was a good thing, that was his M.O. all through his Portland tenure. If anything, he explained too much. But he never gave an explanation of why that email should have been sent. It didn’t come from him.

The Miles email really isn’t that much a part of the picture, anyway. There could have been hundreds of actions that could have led to a perception, real or not, that there was an attempted coup in the works. I personally find the attempted coup a little far-fetched, anyway. But the Minnesota thing is a real part of the picture. Penn was apparently less than 100% forthright on that one, and Paul Allen was likely to remember that — it wouldn’t take much to trigger something after that. And the reminder from NJ that LeGarie pushes his guys to play games may just have been enough, combined with one or two other things, to push PA to take action.

I personally have always doubted that the Vulcans had much to do with it. This team is Paul Allen’s toy. If he is involved enough to insist on keeping Rudy or Patty, as some say, than he isn’t going to be pushed around by his underlings at Vulcan — he’s mostly going to make these decisions himself.

Steve Blake must have been really, really angry that we traded him.
#10 #52

by jscot on Jul 15, 2010 2:27 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And don't forget

that Miles was one of PA’s “pets”. He vetoed at least one trade for him. He probably got ticked off that things didn’t work out for Miles leading our team to a championship so like little boys with toys he thought “well, if I can’t have my toy no one else can have it either.”

by jorga on Jul 15, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's my take too, jscot

Not just because you said it, but mostly :-)

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by musicdaniel on Jul 15, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to argue with that logic

Steve Blake must have been really, really angry that we traded him.
#10 #52

by jscot on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I've been saying, there's plenty of blame to go around

KP is popular by the media and the fans, so of course there’s going to be an outcry when he’s let go. Most folks are upset by “the way it happened” but the way I see it, Paul still needed KP to run the draft room and if he had fired Kevin back in March there was a real risk that Born and Buchanan would’ve walked out and left the frachise with no scouting department a couple of months before draft day

That outcome was not acceptable, even to a billionaire like Allen

So KP was allowed to continue in his draft preperation, and eventually Mike and Chad were offered extensions and they accepted them (after all, they were midwestern friends with Kevin and Tom, but not “in cahoots” with them and LeGarie) and KP was permitted to work the war room on draft day. I think the plan was to publicly announce KP’s firing the day after the draft but someone close to Kevin spilled the beans and LeGarie made sure it went viral to make Allen look like an uncaring tyrant

What-ever

The future is what I’m concerned about now, not the past. I don’t expect Paul to change his way of doing things, and I’m hopeful that the new GM will tweak the roster until the Blazers have the right mix of youthful talent and veteran experience to return to the finals, repeatedly. That should be our focus as fans, not “how KP was treated” or “what will be his legacy?”

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by two4larue on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kerry Eggers wrote today

that the Blazers should have had their new GM hired months ago.

My response would be…so, they should have fired KP back in March and conducted a search during the season when most of the GM candidates were still employed? Who was going to help Paul Allen run the draft process, Dwight Jaynes and Kerry Eggers?

This is second-guessing at it’s worst. The Blazer’s front office hasn’t skipped a beat since the end of June. I’d like to know what “big deals” the Blazers have missed out on because they’ve been doing their due diligence re: hiring the right man for the GM job? Eggers and Jaynes can criticize with 20/20 hindsight, but their proposals are usually off the wall and impractical—that’s why they’re sportswriters and not NBA execs

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by two4larue on Jul 15, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for writing my post

I agree with your assessment of the assessment. All of it believable, but the Miles letter part was weak, as stated.

by superfly05 on Jul 15, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wish jscot had written his post

Rec’d this because it removes the conspiracy theories and the Miles email. The key is this sentence:

It is a lot easier to construct plausible scenarios that share the blame widely, or even put most of the blame on KP/Penn, than to believe the silly idea that KP and Penn did nothing wrong and it has all been simply horrible mismanagement by Paul Allen/Vulcan/Larry Miller.

by grigs on Jul 17, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most don't believe the Vulcans "push around" Paul Allen. More likely they play on his insecurities to manipulate him

But the effect is the same. Allen’s been described by Jason Quick (I don’t believe I’m citing him!) and others as insecure, paranoid, and prone to temper tantrums. Someone like that can certainly be manipulated—and easily—by those in his inner circle. Who would even want to be the king when you can get the king to do what you want? It’s an ancient formula for success.

As for Allen allegedly having made some player decisions: sure, I buy that. The Vulcans wouldn’t really care about player personnel matters as long as the payroll stayed within reasonable limits. Their interest would be in power and money. Let the boss think he’s a hoops genius. Tell him so. That’s part of how you control him. The art of the “yes man”: Bert Kolbe et al would seem to have mastered it.

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by hurryup09 on Jul 18, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

So... Colonel Mustard in the Living Room with the Candle Stick?

Interesting theory.

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Jul 15, 2010 2:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Naah

It was Lucy – in the sky – with diamonds. (Stolen from last Sunday’s “Mother Goose and Grimm”)

by jorga on Jul 15, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this

I still think the main reason KP was fired was how he handled RLEC.

by tominhawaii on Jul 15, 2010 3:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Or maybe

KP had some ideas/offers for RLEC that PA vetoed (“we can do better than that”) and PA hated to be proved wrong which was a big black mark by KP’s name… Wunderkind are often in danger. (And even though PA was a true wunderkind it was an entirely different field – and he was probably becoming overshadowed by Gates so took his money and ran.)

by jorga on Jul 15, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does this mean AWoj is a good guy?

by pxilpooshr on Jul 15, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

no

OJ Mayo is the Blazers' PG of the Future

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 15, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

no, but he's a source of information who shouldn't be summarily dismissed

even when his “scoops” present the Blazers in a negative light

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by two4larue on Jul 15, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good post.

An entertaining summer read.

Three stars.

#52

by CatMan2 on Jul 15, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

and tat's about how long it took to read it

Now I have to explain why I’m behind on my morning’s work.

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by musicdaniel on Jul 15, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Penn job offer

I thought they (LeGarie and Penn) produced documents that proved Penn actually was offered the Minnesota job. Taylor was just saving face and trying to show support for Kahn by saying he was always their #1 choice.

by portlandpete on Jul 15, 2010 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Canzano article

Article

I know he’s not everyone’s (or anyone’s) favorite, but it looks like the Oregonian (not necessarily Canzano) got the proof that Penn was offered a 4 year deal with Minnesota.

by portlandpete on Jul 15, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

seriously>?

this:

The Oregonian has obtained evidence that the Timberwolves indeed made a four-year offer to Penn on May 12, 2009 that would have made Penn the team’s Vice President of Basketball Operations.

Is worse than “multiple sources.” Surely we should expect at least some description of the type of evidence, if not produce the documents in PDF form or something?

by atomiccafe on Jul 15, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fun read, but as you admit, it hinges on the theory that KP was the guy promoting the infamous Darius Miles email

And that really seems like a stretch. That email strikes me as a classic rich kid temper tantrum. It had no chance of succeeding. But Allen’s temper tantrums are legendary, and who in the organization was strong enough to tell him what a bad idea this was? Certainly not the Vulcans, who may have actually played on Allen’s emotions to get him to send the email in the first place. And certainly not Larry Miller, who seems like the classic “yes-man.”

The email reeks of “group think,” the syndrome identified after the Kennedy administration’s classic Bay of Pigs blunder. No one is strong enough to stand up and tell the leader that he’s about to sign off on a very bad idea.

Granted, we don’t really know what went on—or goes on—in the dysfunctional Blazer’s organization. But my guess is that the “conventional wisdom” explanation of the Darius Miles email is correct. KP/LaGarie weren’t behind it. KP was probably one of the people who argued—weakly—against it.

Having said that, most likely LaGarie’s machinations did contribute to Penn & KP’s demise one way or the other. But to make him the puppet master behind all things dysfunctional in Blazer-land smacks of fantasy to me.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Of course, I could be wrong. :-)

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 15, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I listened to an interesting interview between the WAW guys and LeGarie

a couple of days ago. When asked about the KP firing LeGarie extolled the virtues of the Blazers organization and how well things were handled by all concerned. He said nothing really went “wrong”, that the Blazers organization has been terrific and supportive of Kevin since the parting and that Kevin will always be grateful to the org. for giving him such an opportunity, that they’re happy with how everything turned out. When asked if his role was misrepresented in the press LeGarie said he’s very protective of his clients and he’ll always ask the tough questions in their behalf. Take it for what it’s worth.

#52

by annthefan on Jul 15, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I heard that too

I was looking forward to hearing WLG from Vegas, but he came across as a smooth talking dude with no acrimony towards Paul of Portland. These guys are businessmen, and they will do business again in the future. The local media gets the fans all whipped up to drive ratings but at the end of the day, the owner-agent relationship is like the old sheep dog and wolf cartoon…they punch the clock and wish each other good night

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by two4larue on Jul 15, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for the sheepdog/wolf analogy

Chuck Jones cartoons always get a rec from me

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Jul 18, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kaiser Soze!!!!

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by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 15, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm.... What does this story remind me of?

Oh yeah, that’s right.

Also, Rec’d.

I know a little about a lot and a lot about very little.

by Good Work Doc Roberts on Jul 15, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Miles Irrelevant

Like other’s, the Miles situation has nothing to do with the reasons behind KP’s departure. It was, after all, a business decision made because the Blazers had a boat anchor of a contract attached to a player who was physically washed up – and the only way to get any value – was to take the avenue they chose. Writing the letter was merely a final attempt to keep him off another team – which was Memphis, who chose to put him on the end of the bench to eliminate Portland’s ability to pick up the cap space. Well advised or not, it was also irrelevant in the scheme of things. Everyone at the time made a big deal of it. But, everyone still does business together, and all dropped it as an issue within weeks – other than a few press people and people on this web site. Controversy makes news – and this was good for a fair amount of ink. The only ones who remember it these days are here. The rest of the league knew full well that Miles was finished, and that Portland was furious because a couple of teams saw an avenue to game Portland – and did it within the rules. And that cost Portland some $9 million in cap space – which would’ve been one more very solid player in addition to Miller, or perhaps even a star. And given competition, no one wanted Portland to get that star if it could be avoided – and it was.

If you think the letter was bad – I suspect your ears would really be burning if you’d heard what the entire Blazer management group – including Paul Allen, were saying behind the scenes. I’ll gurantee you that it was far worse than anything in that letter.

by Eben Calder on Jul 16, 2010 7:04 AM PDT reply actions  

spooky

the NBA: Where Pritchslapping happens

by kevin pritchard on Jul 16, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Great well thought out posting.

It makes sense.
Agents will do what they need to do for their clients but I think LaGarie is a troublemaker and that is what is best for HIM, not necessarily his clients.

by Natsthecat on Jul 16, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah that or KP just fell out of favor

Not everything is a conspiracy.

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Jul 19, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

It was the Durant pick, but not the way you think...

The real story is that KP and Penn were leading the charge for Durant, but PA and the scouts who still have jobs favored Oden. Penn made the mistake of saying once in a contentious meeting with PA “well, if we had just grabbed Durant like I wanted to…”, and that got him fired. KP got fired for sticking up for Penn in a later 1:1 with PA.

Or any of a thousand other reasons…

by Visionary2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, that's as plausible as any of the other baseless speculation we've been engaging in around here

Certainly more so than the idea that KP, at the behest of his agent, sold Paul Allen on the infamous Darius Miles email. (Sorry, Darkstar, but that was really a stretcher.)

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by hurryup09 on Jul 20, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which I readily admitted up front.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You did

But I’m not sure that scenario was as peripheral to your theory of events as you said. Take out that part, and your thesis—LeGarie as evil mastermind, KP as his pawn, & Paul Allen & Larry Miller as blameless participants—weakens considerably.

Not that I objected to the post. It’s useful to think outside the box, especially when there’s so much potential for misinformation.

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by hurryup09 on Jul 21, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

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