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Summer League Media Row Report: Blazers 81 Hornets 69

The Portland Trail Blazers remained unbeaten in Las Vegas after a solid 81-69 victory over the New Orleans Hornets in the team's second of five Summer League contests.

Much of the luster was already taken off of this game thanks to the dual absence of Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton, but an ankle injury to power forward Craig Brackins took the rest of the air out.  All that was left was for an in-sync, fully-loaded Portland team to out-execute and out-work a band of misfits who were at the mercy of shoot-first point guard Aubrey Coleman, who was feeling it (8-13 for 19 points) and content to get his own.

A quick rundown on each of the five potential Blazers will suffice tonight as Quincy Pondexter (14 points, 5 boards) was possibly the only NBA player left on New Orleans's roster, and he wasn't stopping five guys by himself.

Dante Cunningham 

Cunningham (14 points, 5 rebounds) was sporting an awesome combination of custom-color Beats By Dre headphones and a vintage Baltimore Orioles fitted hat.  His wide-eyed rookie swag is completely gone.  

Cunningham impressed the team's brass and coaching staff with some development off the dribble.  He recognized his opportunities very well and struck quickly and authoritatively.  He also displayed some tone-setting leadership by example that may or may not be coming through on television.  His teammates are really responding to him and his work ethic is catching on.  

Jeff Pendergraph

I'm afraid the Jeff Pendergraph (11 points, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks) we're seeing this week is a little bit too similar to the Pendergraph we saw last year.  In terms of meaningful development I'm not sure I've seen it yet.  (If you beg to differ, please make your case.)  If there's a positive sign it's that he is more assertive in offensive situations that call for it.  The results, however, weren't always pretty: stagnant possessions, wild shots, questionable shot locations, and turnovers.  You can't help but feel like the shots he's being encouraged to take this summer are the same shots Nate McMillan will discourage him from attempting during the season.  His game just lacks that polish.

On defense he continues to commit fouls (7) at an alarming rate, although he did alter and block a bunch of shots tonight, dish out a pounding and control the paint. I still think the team wants, or at least hopes, to see more.  I think Pendergraph wants to show more, and might be pressing.

Luke Babbitt

The best thing about watching Babbitt (9 points, 1 rebound) play in person for the first time was seeing his varied ability to get his own shot, or at least create space off the dribble.  It's not quite to a Brandon Roy level of creativity but it shares some of the efficiency of motion that Roy possesses.  He has a knack for getting players off their feet, making them leaning one way or another and pulling up his dribble when they're back on their heels.  A lot of it is instinctive and it's very advanced.  Today Babbitt seemed frustrated by his inability to hit from deep but he found other ways to score.  I'd like to see how he plays when his shot is really going -- he seems like he has some explosive potential in this environment.  

Coming into this week we wondered how and where he would fit on defense.  It's next to impossible to see him defending anyone at the NBA level on the block or in the paint.  He simply doesn't have the strength or the length and his defensive instincts far trail his offensive instincts.  We generally accepted these things coming into the week and they were reinforced tonight.

Babbitt stayed late after the game to sign some autographs and, best of all, to receive feedback from various sources about his play.  This guy is a basketball junkie.

Patty Mills

Mills (18 points, 3 assists, 5 turnovers) continues to look better than he ever has as a Blazer and yet continues to look less and less like a Blazer by the game.  The things he did well tonight -- hit some tough shots, push the tempo, play aggressively -- aren't necessarily things that McMillan will be looking for from his second or third string point guard.  The things he did poorly -- a few bad decisions, a few careless possessions, assist/turnover ratio -- are Nate McMillan's pet peeves.  This is shaping up to be a make-or-break year for Nate McMillan and it's difficult to see him trusting Mills as a member of the rotation. 

With that said, he's been a pleasure to watch and was the spark of the game.  His range is indeed improving and he had some great body control finishes near the rim.  He should stick in the NBA.  This hasn't' been a particularly strong week for point guards and Mills is drawing a lot of great reviews from media and scouts hailing from outside Portland.

Armon Johnson

I dare say Armon Johnson (15 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 3 turnovers) is stealing the show.  It's too early to call him a lock at the third string point guard spot but I'm tempted to call that shot right here and right now.  

The most surprising aspect to his game has been his strength on the ball.  We heard and saw he had poise with the dribble and we knew he was a physical defender, but I didn't know the depth of his ability going to the basket.  His broad shoulders and quickness are a lethal combination: he fills space as fast as he creates it, and it's almost always with a direction and purpose.  He's got a little "jump pass Jarrett Jack" to his perimeter game that needs to be worked out but his sense of spacing and ability to find the open man are more advanced than I anticipated.  His shot selection tonight was excellent.  He knows his limitations there and he's not forcing it.  That's exactly what the coaching staff wants to see from him.

On defense he is a handful.  He's tireless and committed.  Johnson was a treat tonight.  He left the gym with a huge grin.  As did members of his coaching staff, who seemed tickled by his play.  

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

PS The Blazers are set to informally scrimmage the Washington Wizards tomorrow, providing both Mills and Johnson the opportunity to face off against John Wall.  Good times.

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It kinda hurts

Seeing Mills play better and better makes him less and less likely the one we will sign.

It really sucks having someone who you love what he does but just doesn’t fit the system. I want us to utilize him so badly, but he isn’t overwhelming enough to design a system around…he will just end up thriving for some competitor instead of in the black and red. Well, the good black and red that is, I guess the heat still need minimum guys.

Damn teams stealing our colors…

"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez

by TheGreatMon on Jul 13, 2010 10:56 PM PDT reply actions  

see Fernandez, Rudy

and I totally agree :(

Armon was definitely the best guard on the floor tonight. NO didn’t really have a shot so I would have liked to see our guys really take advantage of that. Dante’s energy is even better than I remember, I’ll have some of whatever he’s having

by Billy Hoyle on Jul 13, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really liked Armon in the huddles they showed during the broadcast

he was focused and looked to be leading the discussion amongst the players…

At other times he was listening to his coach with laser focus…

I just like his demeanor. I thought he was a bit sloppy in the first period, but after that he came on very very strong…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the second half

He really started to show his confidence in the second half, showing a nice mix of passing, drives, floaters and pull-ups.

More than most players, his defense seems to feed his offense.

by nikolokolus on Jul 13, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like we need some of that style of play

People who are like that tend to have a contagious style of play, which encourages other players to defend more vigorously. We could use some of that, for sure.

by LT Hutch on Jul 14, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mills is HUGE defensive liabilty....

And a below average passer and decision maker at the NBA level.

Third stringer in an uptempo system at best imo.

by EagGolfer3 on Jul 13, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

 I think he could be a solid backup at some point…

And he has some nice passing ability, definitely better than below average…

I agree with you, he has got to get a bit stronger to defend guards at this level…he got muscled out of the way a lot tonite..

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's not just his strength though....

he has poor fundamentals and isn’t nearly the same athlete moving laterally as he is in the open court.

Coleman only needed one move to get a step on Mills and we all now it’s game over when that happens.

And I agree I probably sold a little short on his passing abilities, but some of the passes he made tonight were mind numbingly bad. He was literally passing the ball directly to hornet defenders on a couple of occassions.

by EagGolfer3 on Jul 13, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was one he rifled down the middle

toward Dante that looked like it coulda broken the Hornets players fingers…I do think Patty was expecting a cut from Dante there that did not materialize…

Dante got Armon on that attempted alley-ooop though…Dante got caught watching Armon and not the ball there, but it did make it look like a really bad idea by Johnson.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Armon shoulda floated that in,

but he wanted to give DC the highlight.

Good thought, bad communication, not a problem. Next time Dante will rip the rim off.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 13, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Armon's decision making is defintely top notch....

That was one of the knocks on him in college but I’m Nate will help in that regard…lol.

Another knock was his shot selection at times can be poor but thankfully we haven’t seen that at all really. Only thing I see is he likes to pull up short for floaters and leaners when he has opportunities to finish directly at the basket or get to the line.

by EagGolfer3 on Jul 13, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only thing I see is he likes to pull up short for floaters and leaners when he has opportunities to finish directly at the basket or get to the line.

Summer league is a good time to practice these skills, because they will definitely be needed against NBA interior defenders

As good as AJ is looking in Vegas, I still think it would be better if he is sento to the D-Leeague this year so he can continue his development in live game action, as opposed to being a practice player and only getting into NBA games in garbage time next season

A veteran #3 PG (injury insurance, not a rotation member) would be the last piece of the puzzle for the Blazer’s roster. That’s not Patty

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

I really like Armon and his potential, but I have to wonder if it would be best for him to play in the D-League this season where he can get some playing time instead of sitting on the end of the bench all season. I guess it all depends on how any trades shake out before the start of the season. A dependable veteran as an insurance policy against injury is probably the best move for the 3rd string pg.

by ripcitychamp on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

especially when you can call up your d league guys anyway

by Billy Hoyle on Jul 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

But then there's the "Batum" argument.

Does Armon get better faster by getting burn for the Idaho Stampede, or does he get better faster being under the wing of our development coaches (including our shooting coach), being exposed to Dre on a daily basis, watching film etc?

Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'. -- Dave

by conspirator5 on Jul 14, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

the big difference

Batum played 20 minutes a game his rookie year. Armon won’t sniff the court. Better to play in Boise than sit the bench in Portland I think

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jul 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

teams have different philosophies about this, depending on the player

Portland likes to have their hands on young players, whenever possible, because they know exactly what the kid is being taught and that he’s learning their system on the practice floor, etc

but after the season gets started, there’s not much practice time anymore and the kid only works out in isolation with an assistant. For a young PG, they need to play 5 on 5 as much as possible to stay in rhythm and develop their decision-making skills. (You notice the team sent Mills to D-League once his foot healed up, last winter?) Johnson may not be “down” in the D-league all season, but he shouldn’t be sitting around averaging 1-2 mpg all season in the NBA, either. That doesn’t really help him progress with his PG skills and pro career

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is also nothing wrong with a good pull up jumper

the game is not all dunks and 3 point shots despite what the NBA wants you to think…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 15, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shop Window

Hopefully Coach-K does the right thing and keeps letting Patty run the show/remain in the shop window for other teams – the guy will be exciting to watch wherever he ends up

by Long Balls on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, it's a showcase

the Blazers are doing Mills a big favor by letting him play and show his stuff in Vegas, and (at this point) it doesn’t look like they’ll receive anything back in exchange for Patty

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

OR

a franchise player at the Timberwolves.

by benfti on Jul 13, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

he could probably find a nice rotation position

in their 10 guard lineup for sure

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mills is good but he lacks the defensive skills. I really want to see how they do in the scrimmage tomorrow with John Wall.

by octet on Jul 14, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Armon Johnson

all day baby

Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jul 13, 2010 11:03 PM PDT reply actions  

not really

He’s making himself look good. You’re just trying to ride his coattails. ;-)

by nikolokolus on Jul 13, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is what they are there for

to be ridden and ridden hard…

I did not have him on my radar pre draft, but watching the youtube highlights won me over pretty quickly after he got picked…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

3rd string,

or 2d?
Can’t wait to see him matched up w/ a quality NBA Point.

by damonrayhymer on Jul 14, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Q-Pon

What did you think of his game? One of my 5 favorite Husky b-ball players ever, hoping he has a solid NBA career.

by ericande on Jul 13, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Hornets fans think....

He has a good chance to start at SF for them right away. I don’t like him that much though. He has good defensive potential (he’s not going to back down form anybody and will probably piss some some vets off his rookie year) but seems kinda limited offensively.

by EagGolfer3 on Jul 13, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But he’s probably an upgrade over Posey.

by nikolokolus on Jul 13, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup...

not the three point shooter posey is, but gives them some much needed perimeter defense and athleticism on the wing.

by EagGolfer3 on Jul 13, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You gotta have at least one guy

that pisses the all stars off…

You know, noah, varejo, andersen, scola types.

just annoy the crap, especially the bigger players. They are so annoying the fans get annoyed with them too…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pendy has this rep

and he learned even more “agitation techniques” from Juwan, last year

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

someone that actually plays

in non-injury riddled games

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 15, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Babbitt is being misused right now.....

but I’m sure that’s partly on purpose.

He was mainly an elbow iso and post-up guy at Nevada.

Intriguing prospect once he gets more comfortable guarding on the perimeter, just not sure if he’s in Portland’s long term plans which kinda disappoints me. I really what he could bring us off the bench.

by EagGolfer3 on Jul 13, 2010 11:12 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

whatever he lacks he does seem to have that instinct thing going for him…

there are basically 3 types of players a roster needs (most players have bits of all, but usually are really strong in one of the three areas):

1. The elite, highly skilled athlete
2. The great instinct, nose for the ball type
3. Pure hustle

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jul 13, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's got a ways to go

He’s a pretty smart player, but he’s been super tentative and looks to be pressing when he does assert himself.

Pretty early to say he won’t be able to contribute, but I see him as at least a year away.

by nikolokolus on Jul 13, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

why Babbitt isn't getting elbow and post looks

The sets they run are super sloppy, and the guards aren’t great passers. Also, the teams haven’t been together that long. Thus, anything beyond “iso,” “pick and roll,” and “dump inside” isn’t going to see the light of day in Summer League. Any set that gets Babbit space to operate in his comfort zone (mid-range?) is light years beyond any of these three things.

by atomiccafe on Jul 14, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of the guards is presumably very good

at passing to Babbit.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

BIG

I haven’t heard much on his size. The guy is huge out there for what he can do on the floor. I see a lot of mismatches to his favor in the future. He plays like Nowitzki.

by MPP24 on Jul 14, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to add size, but I see your point

The more I watch his game, the more I think he needs to bulk up and become more of a stretch 4 than a true 3. It might just be summer league, so we’ll see.

Also, he doesn’t look overwhelmed when he plays, but he does seem to be out of rhythm. He should be able to get past that, but it worries me that he won’t be very good as a bench player in the short run.

by HailOden! on Jul 14, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone see a future roster spot/role for Claver

with Cunningham and Babbitt now on the roster?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Armon shoots 60%,

if you disregard those two buzzer-beater half-court lobs.

Our bench is going to beat the living daylights out of the NBA. Other teams will pay for every minute they sit their stars. The weak link could be three point shooting, but I’m betting Babbitt will have that honed in by preseason. Armon, I’m not so sure of—he just doesn’t seem like a marksman, and that’s fine. If he brings what we’ve seen so far, I can live without the long shot. He still needs to work on that (I’m sure Townsend can’t wait), but it’s not a deal-breaker.

Stealth > Wealth

by 500dogs on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

steal+layup > made three

Armon’s defensive instincts are going to serve him well here. He seems like the guy who is going to take the lunch money from other team’s bench PGs for a long time.

Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'. -- Dave

by conspirator5 on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ben, Thank you for the reports.

As a Blazer fan who does not post here often, I want you and Dave to know that I, and surely many others who don’t post often, read your articles and greatly appreciate the down-in-the-dirt, grind-it-out work you do. You make it sound easy, but I am sure it is serious work at the level of reporting you give to us. Best wishes to you and Dave for the summer.
GO BLAZERS!!!!!!!!!!

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by MojoMan on Jul 14, 2010 1:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Really? With his shaky 3pt shot?

I would have thought you’d want Patty to start. Though I’m with you on the Armon love.

by HailOden! on Jul 14, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Patty Mills

Funny, it’s a close competition between Johnson and Mills but I like Mills a little better in the two games. I however just get the feeling from Blazer announcers that Johnson has the edge. It’s too bad because I have the feeling Mills will be let go, end up on another team and come back to haunt us.

  Mostly just a bad feeling. Instinct. But I’m afraid we are going to let Mills go, keep the rookie Johnson and regret it later.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jul 14, 2010 6:03 AM PDT reply actions  

to small

we need more players like Babbit and Johnson….u need size to move to the next level. Look at the old Blazer playoff game their showing from ’92 right now. The size and strength of Portland is what kills Utah. Also, the 2010 Lakers were huge in every postion and that is what got them there in the end.

by MPP24 on Jul 14, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mills looks good on offense, but his defense is very problematic

If you can’t slow down Aubrey “Freakin” Coleman, what chance do you have against D Will, CP3, and Evans? Just imagine Mills trying to guard Tyreke Evans, it isn’t a pretty picture.

by upper left corner on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

evans is a starting pg that is a bad matchup for Mills

it would be silly to play Mills against Evans – and sillier to discredit Mills based on such a matchup

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 14, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Illustrative purposes only

I think you took my comment a bit more literally than it was intended.

My point was to highlight that seeing Patty struggle against non-NBA caliber PGs suggest that he is going to have real problems against real NBA quality competition. Patty might be OK against other small, quick PGs, but he is going to have a real hard time against big, strong guys like Evans, or a guy like Miller who has a quality post-up game.

by upper left corner on Jul 14, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

extremes aren't very useful as a baseline

Mills is never going to be a DWill, CP3 or Evans (or even a Miller). But there are plenty of legitimate NBA point guards that make much better comparisons….there is no reason to believe Mills can’t be an average or better than average point guard in this league (he can handle the ball, run, and shoot).

by blacknoiseNW on Jul 14, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

struggle against miller

hahahaha – miller might have a career night and get 12 point from 12 shots

by Long Balls on Jul 14, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller has a CAREER PER of 18, and has been above 18 for each of the last 3 years.

There seem to be plenty of folks in this town who don’t properly respect Andre Miller. Miller has been among the top ten NBA point guards for years.

AM is particularly good at abusing small, young PGs in the low post. If you don’t see that he would likely do the same to Mills, then I think you need to pay a bit more attention.

by upper left corner on Jul 15, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

what chance does he have against D Will and CP3?

2 years ago, i reckon he’d drop 20, hold Williams to 10 and Paul to 2, and 3 dimes between them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=818

He’s a better player now.

Here is what the Team USA national coach had to say about Patty

Question: Talk about Australia’s Patrick Mills.

Mike Krzyzewski: He played really well against the last game … really tape doesn’t do him justice. He looks good on tape … we should fast forward it … he really has great quickness. I love him defensively; I’m sure Brian does too. I’ve been a defensive coach my whole life and there aren’t very many people who stay with a guard – like right on him – when he has the ball – and if he’s beaten, he doesn’t retreat; he continues to play the play. He’s got to be an extremely tough-minded kid. As good as he is offensively, I think he’s got a chance to be a great defender. I think the kid has got a big time future, to be quite frank with you.

Question: Did you sense your guards are impressed with Mills?

Mike Krzyzewski: No question. He’s an impressive player. He’s got great quickness and great strength. What else can I say … he can shoot, he’s tough-minded … he’s so competitive. I mean the kid’s going to be an NBA player … there is no question about it. What a great thing to build your future on

Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/krzyzewski-interview-082008.shtml#ixzz0tkQPYqV8

by benfti on Jul 15, 2010 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funny
The things [Mills] did poorly — a few bad decisions, a few careless possessions, assist/turnover ratio — are Nate McMillan’s pet peeves.

That is…unless Jerryd Bayless does them!

by stavrogin on Jul 14, 2010 6:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Bayless was glued to the bench

until KP traded Blake otherwise Bayless would have continued to rack up the DNPs. Bayless didn’t show a lot of point guard skills last year, but he did finally stop turning the ball over like he did in his rookie season

by nikolokolus on Jul 14, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice to see the hard core Bayless haters getting together for a little comment convention....

Both of your comments are factually challenged:

1) Bayless has actually become relatively low turnover PG. His TO% went from 19.3 as a rookie to 13.8 during the regular season last year to 9.8 in the playoffs (Basketball Reference). Hollinger ranked Bayless as the seventh lowest TO ratio of the 29 PGs in the playoffs.

2) Bayless sat for the first 6 games of the season and the saw his PT steadily increase based on his production. He was playing significant minutes long before Blake was traded. As for his PG skills, there is room for plenty of argument, but the trend is definitely positive as his AST% and AST/TO ratios both improved significantly. In the playoffs he had an AST/TO of 3:1 which ranked among the top ten in the playoffs.

by upper left corner on Jul 14, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was playing significant minutes long before Blake was traded.

Primarily at SG because of Roy’s hamstring injury

I’m on your side re: Bayless’ improvement last year, Jerryd started the year as the #5 guard and when he got the opportunity to play he was ready to take advantage of it

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bayless makes tons of bad decisions and careless plays.

You can’t say that isn’t true, and that’s what I was referring to. But you conveniently don’t mention that, and parse stats.

OK, OK, let’s do it your way:

Go to Basketball Reference and look at Mills and Bayless side by side. In 2009-10, you will see Mills had a 12.9% TOV% and a 27.1% AST% to Bayless’ 13.8 and 22.1. You might say the sample size is too small, due to Mills’ extremely limited duty, but you’re also the guy that called Bayless the team’s best three point shooter during a stretch when he shot 13 three-pointers total.

I’m not real into Mills or anything, but that’s pretty interesting, I must say: the fact that McMillan hardly ever played him, when, apparently, he has better numbers than Bayless, and general impressions of a player are always wrong, and stats are always right.

by stavrogin on Jul 14, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is the difference

I gotta be straight, I find your posting style positively irritating.

I don’t mind that you have a different POV about a particular player; plenty of folks disagree about plenty of things around here. I do find it annoying that you seem to go out of your way to “hate” on one particular player. Why not push “for” something rather than all the Bayless bashing?

I have several “positions” that I consistently “push” around here:

1) Patience: I am not a big fan of big trades;
2) I have defended KP vigorously, and criticized PA for his decision to fire him;
3) I love Batum;
4) I think a lot of the criticism of LMA is overblown;
5) I think Oden is going to be a monster if he stays healthy;
6) I have real doubts about Nate’s offensive schemes, and his P&R defense;

and 7) I think our young, second string PG has a ton of potential and has demonstrated outstanding improvement that warrants giving him more time.

For the most part, I notice you taking shots at Bayless, even in situations that aren’t really primarily about Bayless? Why so much negativity?

Your comments on Mills are simply a matter of comparing “apples and oranges”: Bayless played 1300 minutes, and was asked to play different positions and different roles including a lot of minutes as a starter. Mills played limited, garbage time minutes almost entirely against second tier players in situation where defense is at best limited.

by upper left corner on Jul 15, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is the best you could come up with?

Actually, my comment was an invitation to a conversation. I was trying to share a bit about my POV and was inviting you to explain a bit more about where you are coming from. So far, you don’t seem interested in engaging in any constructive way, consider this one more attempt.

by upper left corner on Jul 15, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

How do you Mock the Draft

so effectively, that you can drop $2 mill, absolutely knowing the beast you want would be there at 34, yeah, 34?
Every washout, each and every one dimensional D-Leaguer, selected before 34 will only serve to further reinforce the Pritchard Legacy.

KP is like an athlete, dying young. We didn’t get to see him go Elvis. No, he’s like Marilyn, or James Dean.

by damonrayhymer on Jul 14, 2010 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

every one dimensional D-Leaguer, selected before 34 will only serve to further reinforce the Pritchard Legacy

As if KP’s legacy needs to be further reinforced, in regards to the Portland media and fanbase

How about we say that Chad and Mike did a good job of identifying a diamond in the rough PG from Reno (while they were scouting Babbiitt, probably) and Paul Allen spent the extra money to move up the draft to enable KP to draft him there…since that is probably closer to the truth?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jul 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

ArmoFTW!!!!!!!!!!!

i love patty but he’s damon 1.1 and he can’t guard anyone. he’ll go to the knicks and light it up

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by broyposse on Jul 14, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

btw Ben...

FlipCam for us today’s scrimmage…

i wanna see AJ lock down J. Wall

I’d meet BRP at the airport, not flee!! - fanfaraway

by broyposse on Jul 14, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

i wanna see AJ lock down J. Wall

I’d settle for him not getting embarrassed.

by nikolokolus on Jul 14, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

he has 10 fouls to give, i expect a lockdown

if you can’t beat ’em, foul ’em

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by broyposse on Jul 14, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remind me never to play hoops with YOU!

GOP in HD

by 22baylor on Jul 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Or, at least I will look forward to hearing your breakdown afterward. When is the scrimmage?

by unemployedreflection on Jul 14, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really like the way AJ is looking

Love the defensive intensity and ability. Plus size, plus athlete.

The thing that scared me about Mills last year — and this was in junk time, so take it FWIW — is that he couldn’t get around NBA point guards with his dribble. He can shoot, he knows the game, he’ll have trouble defensively…but you can’t have a tiny PG who can’t penetrate.

He looks quicker this summer, which would fit with the story that he’s in better shape. But maybe he’s able to penetrate because he’s playing against crap summer league D?

Anyway, love that he’s playing well and earning a spot in the league, but it won’t break my heart if it’s not with the Blazers. I’d take AJ all day — he’s raw but his ceiling is way higher.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 14, 2010 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Armon Johnson

Sign this kid, NOW.

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 14, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Pendergraph

I had the same thought about Pendergraph – he looked exactly the same as he did last year, which is my only real disappointment so far in these games. It sucks because I so badly want him to develop into a rotation player — he has size and toughness that we desperately need, but just doesn’t have the right IQ out there to avoid fouls and not take bad shots. It looks like he’ll need to ride the bench for another year at least before he earns minutes, although it is only summer..

I’m excited about Armon — he looks like an NBA player (I mean, look as those shoulders!). Hawthorne Wingo just summed up my thoughts pretty well above — He’ll be a nice project and Andre Miller understudy maybe.
It wouldn’t be awful for Patty to be our 15th roster spot (maybe if Rudy is moved for a draft pick) to see if Nate can teach him a little D in the next year.. but I’m preparing myself to say goodbye to the little guy.

Sad that we don’t get to see E-Dub in summer league — would give us a lot more to talk about, especially if tore it up like Bayless last year (or two years ago, I don’t remember)

by Fuad on Jul 14, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Seems to be some Andre Miller in Armon Johnson

Same sort of physical, inside the arc short, jumpshot game that Andre Miller usually has.

I imagine Johnson’s good defense now won’t look quite as good against the big boys. That’s kinda like Andre, too.

Keep Portland Weird.

by Broy_07 on Jul 14, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

It won't matter -

Nate has a system in mind and he will try to fit everyone into the system – if he had the perfect players for his system, he’d be a winning coach, but that never happens for anyone. To be a good coach you have to adapt your system for your talent.

Whether you are talking Channing Frye, Bayless, Fernandez, Patty Mills, doesn’t matter. With luck, we’ll make the playoffs, one and done.

by Tim Tim on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope Mills makes it

Watched his entire career at St. Mary’s and I hope he can find a place on a NBA roster.

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by 49er16 on Jul 14, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice summary, Ben

I think you pretty much covered the reality of the thing. …No real barn burners or difference makers on this summer squad…Mills was clearly the most active player. Probably won’t keep him (but PA likes him…so….) Cunningham brings a little of everything and is a good team player, but likely out on the edge of the rotation, if we went to 8-9. Pendy is deep bench big man insurance, at best . Both Johnson and Babbitt could actually get into the rotation, but will depend on how fast they can adjust to the NBA level. Babbitt looks like he could be another Chris Mullins (with better defense) again no real barn burners …but the two top rookies look good enough to cover the loss of Rudy and Bayless..Yes I said Bayless…He fits neither styles; Nate ball or offense run by a point guard….He has been a tweener from day one and has not proven anything otherwise. Talented, yes, but clearly an individual in a team sport…..Also, no one is knocking down our doors to acquire about him. This should tell you something about his regard around the league.
    IMO, We are still a “floor general” away from making bigger waves and a deeper playoff run. I would say that if we don’t get past the first round next season, it’s time to be more aggressive with assessing what’s missing.
   One other comment….this could be Nate’s last season to show he has a winning system. You can fill in the gaps with a ton of evidence that supports this…The one that sticks into my mind the most is, Nate’s shortness with everyone outside of his comfort zone. (he don’t like the concerned questions and realizes that he now carries the ball all on his own) Nate is a stubborn man and believes he has the best system. He will live or die by this in the end. it will be this non-flexible attitude that may prove his undoing..
   I noted the interview with Monty…He said a lot about Pop, Riley, and Doc Rivers..but when asked about Nate, he said very little and also reverted back to Pop as the coach he learned the most from.

[Good defense "releases" your offense]

by WyEast on Jul 14, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I dont get it

Seems to me like Patty Mills has been outplaying Armon Johnson in both games. First game he got 9 assists and probably could have gotten the triple double if he had played in the 4th. This game he was the spark offensively and showed how effective he is at moving without the ball (a great skill to have, if he wants to be a blazer) and yet it seemed that Ben has Armon winning the spot.

by GetOver on Jul 14, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought Armon was clearly better in game 2, although Patty seemed a bit disinterested or too relaxed after his dominant first game. Patty is clearly the most confident player on our summer league team, although with Armon’s size and intelligent play, he seems more likely to stick in the league, I just don’t know if he’ll see a lot of opportunity this year, where with Patty it feels more like now or never. Just my .02 anyway

by Billy Hoyle on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

While I was watching the game last night I couldn’t help but notice that Patty seemed the most confident and active player on the team, but this is to be expected from a guy with his experience playing with national teams. Armon is way behind in that sense, but his physicality and defense are more what this team is looking for I think.

by ripcitychamp on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

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