Portland Eating its Team
First ever post after having followed BE for a couple years regularly.
I write this fanpost not to discuss the merits of players or Blazer employees mentioned herein, but rather to pose a question: why are Portland fans insistent on ruining everything?
Is it the one-horse-town mentality where we have nothing better to do? No baseball or football distractions to keep us from hatching ridiculous and diabolical plans to jettison LaMarcus Aldridge for David Lee or actually getting behind the firing of a GM who has taken us from total joke to feared up-and-comers in less than 4 years?
Since the last horn sounded on the season, all I've seen are trade scenarios that include trading Roy or Oden or LMA to snag a lotto pick... thus netting us who? Demarcus Cousins? Wow. We continually deride Kevin Pritchard who has what most consider to be about a 90% success rate in drafts and trades. Let us not forget what we've got:
- A top tier, team leading SG who wants to be here, isn't a threat to shoot anybody or catch a couple dozen pot charges (I'm looking at you Jeremiah Masoli...)
- A center who, if (large if...) healthy is a young, talented game-changer whether he scores or not.
- One of the top young PF's in the league who most conveniently forget perfectly complements our other stars when everyone is healthy. LMA has taken way too much heat... I'm choosing to hear exactly none of it.
- Andre over Hedo. Revisionist history is my friend, but who would you rather have?
- A late first round French SF who was passed on by two dozen teams with a ceiling higher than the Rose Garden's. I think we all agree Nic is special.
- One of the deepest benches, if not THE deepest, in the entire NBA.
- A trade deadline deal landing us a vital veteran C/PF who most agree gives us way more than Travis and Blake did consistently. Camby was right on time... I think most agree.
- A coach who most fans seem to ride due to his plodding half-court pace and suspect substitution patterns, but has the respect of his players, control of his team in general, and has just completed a season decimated by injuries with 50 wins. I'm not a huge Nate fan... but let's have a little perspective here.
Perspective. Maybe that's the best word for it. I can't bear listening to sports talk radio in this town due to the lack of it... and I argue that this goes all the way to the Vulcans in charge of this sorta slowly sinking ship, which should not be sitting even one inch low in the water given what we've got and where we are right now as an NBA franchise.
So I ask you, fellow BE enthusiasts. What's the freakin' deal? Am I paranoid, or are meddling Portland fans and ownership unable to see the view from 30,000 feet? If you care to elaborate... I care to try and understand why we can't seem to just appreciate what is a VERY good thing.
Go Blazers!
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I agree with you on this but I think our biggest problem is we still don’t have that one thing that puts us over the top. Thats why we’re an angry mob.
Maybe all we need is health and with that, we have to wait. I don’t think a lot needs to happen this summer after the draft. Go to camp, stay healthy, win a lot of games – end of story.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!
We need healthy players
If we can’t get that from Oden this year, then fine panic.
People have no patience. PA’s taste of mortality makes this understandable for him, but most people in this day expect championships every year, 1 minute dinners, 10 minute deliveries, and that TPS in Quadruplicate within 30 minutes AND with a cover letter. Anything shy of instant gratification has them bemoaning that something is wrong.
Additionally, i think people like to believe that they know better and most don’t. If they did they could be GM’s.
"We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jun 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Certainly, a small town mentality pervades everything about the Blazers...
From comments like: “what free agents would want to play here”, to hating the successful, big market teams (I understand Faker hate, but Celtics? Simple jealousy); to obsessing over relatively minor moves like replacing an assistant GM; to watching the city eliminate the only AAA baseball field in town for a small time sport like soccer, and screw up what could be a great sports complex in the Rose Quarter; to having small time radio talk show hosts like Clownzano, pitiful sports reporting on TV…. yes, Portland is keeping it wierd, and seemingly doing everything it can to remain minor league…
But then, that’s part of the charm. It’s like we have a college town, and a big time college program. Nobody, outside of Boston, and maybe NY and LA, gets as worked up over their sports as Blazer fans…
But, I definitely appreciate what we have: a great arena, a fan venue to take in a game, and something to shorten the long-g-g-g rainy season… Go Blazers! (Go Celts!)
Totally Agree
That’s part of what’s fueling my angst… The best part of being a Blazer fan is the freedom to be completely dialed-in on one team and I fully endorse and engage in conversations about who might be a better fit at the backup 2 than Rudy or giving Dante or Jerryd a couple more minutes per game, etc.
It just started to bug me that it seems like everyone hates LMA, Nate, Greg, Rudy and even a few cracking on Roy. These are OUR guys… OUR GM has assembled them… and we are steadily growing toward something special.
I guess part of my hope by posting this was to bring the more positive and objective fans, like you, out of the woodwork and turn the tide among BE readers… in a small way.
I agree... WAY TOO MUCH NEGATIVITY...
I hear it on the radio when Dwight Jaynes and Chad the D-Bag Doing are all about minimizing Blazers players and talking about how GREEN the grass is on the other side of the wall….
I don’t buy it. I love the organic growth that we have with this group of Blazers… Roy, Aldridge, Bayless, Batum, Webster and Oden are all first run Blazers. Plus KP and crew have brought in exemplary veterans Juwan Howard, Andre Milller, and now Marcus Camby.
True, this team went out in the first round this year. But Portland stands to be one of the best teams again in the WC, and with a healthy roster, roster improvment and any other additions, Portland IS A REAL CONTENDER NOW.
All I wanna say is KEEP KP.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for the record
I think as a Portland fan, hating the Thunder is most demonstrative of jealousy (if not from Seattle).
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
I don't hate the Thunder, personally
but I can’t root for them, just because of what they did to Seattle. That’s just wrong.
agree about small markets...the beavers not so much
have you been to a beavers game that was not on the 4th of July? you and 55 of your friends can have any seat in the house. as for the Timbers, we have a legitimate rivalry in the sounders and not to mention they fill the stadium..ok.
soccer is not a small market sport, maybe in the midwest it is, but especially in the NW it is the most up and coming sport, hands down. have you been to a Timbers game? even when they play someone like South Carolina, the fans are roudy and chanting. The main reason they are going MLS next year is because of the fan base.
I am not the biggest soccer fan, but you have to appreciate the soccer legacy worldwide and its growing popularity in the US in the last 15 years. the USA is actually ranked in the top half in the world now…couldnt have even said anything like that even 8 years ago. Wake up big guy.
As for the Blazers, we need to take a more patient view…however we have been being patient with youth for 3 straight seasons now, with all this potential and hope…just to have it bashed down not even half way through the year multiple times. its tough and i think the main reason there is so much “gloom and doom” is that the fan base now is younger than it has been in a while. Young people are impatient and anyone that has been around awhile with the blazers knows that usually potential doesnt shake out and you stay in the same hope and “next year” kind of conversations. This season coming up is really going to be the test of these guys. either they bring it and stay healthy, or it may have to be said that these particular players, for what ever reason, are injury prone and we need some more stable personnel.
We certainly have the talent and we certainly have the potential. maybe we dont have the right training staff. maybe we have injury prone players. maybe we are reactionary as a fan base…
Maybe we are all these things combined. scary.
I will say it now and again. we only go as far as Greg takes us (yikes) and Brandon is a stud, but more likely a second fiddle kinda player. He cant win it on his own. He hasnt all the way through the ranks, high school, college and now…He needs another big time go to guy to play with. not Andre( who i do really like) not LA(who gets too hard a time), he needs Greg low, or another type of finisher. boy KD would have been a nice sidekick.
by SuperFan #7 on Jun 9, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol at small time sport...
I don’t have any numbers, But I still feel confident saying soccer is one of, if not THE, biggest sport in the world.
It's still pretty small time in the U.S.
NASCAR and hockey get better ratings. However, I feel that is changing very rapidly.
I think it is too. Soccer is a great sport, and the US is finally starting to see that. Speaking of which, while we’re on topic, I can’t wait for the Timbers to join MLS.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!
by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 10, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't get the soccer thing
I think we have more sophisticated sports here in the US and that’s why I don’t think it’ll ever really take off. Soccer would be better if they allowed more substitutions like Hockey. It would speed the game up.
JRogero
Yawn.
Blazers + NFL = no more spare time
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 14, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You know we're rolling out the new Timbers logo...
…and merchandise for the first time at Director’s Park this Saturday. There’s going to be a big screen showing the US-ENG game and at halftime we are selling Timbers MLS merchandise for the first time. Widmer Beer garden set up there too. Game starts at 11:30am.
I’d be there….but I’m in Columbus….So I’ll be enjoying it at 2:30
I would like to order some Timbers stuff soon though…
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!
by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 11, 2010 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want to, check my linkedin page an let me know when you're coming...
…we have a new trailer at 20th and Morrison (since we can’t sell Adidas in the park yet – Nike acct). Always glad to meet a fellow Bedger.
Yeah, and NASCAR is big too....
But c’mon, there are only three professional sports in the good ol’ US of A:
Baseball, Basketball, and Football…
NASCAR, I know, is watched by millions (waiting for the next crash), and soccer is the biggest sport in the world (waiting for the next goal… yawn).. Hockey? If the regular season wasn’t such a joke, it might have more eyeballs… Rugby and Lacrosse are popular among the youth now, too… but I don’t see anybody talking about those as “big” sports…
USA Soccer IS small time, just like Portland is, which is why it fits up here… MLS? Stands for Mostly Low Scoring…. or perhaps Moms Love Soccer… but it DOESN’T stand for “Major League” anything.,..
I refuse to believe it
It’s the Canadians trying to take over our country
We went like this, he went like that. I say to Hollywood: Where'd he go? Hollywood says: where'd who go?
Seattle Sounders sold 19,000 season tickets...
…for their inagural season. Wait till you see PGE Park after the remodel this winter, too. Believe me, it’s major league.
what player
has won it on his own? Right now its roy and a bunch of guys who are a couple of years away from fulfilling their true potential. Until then fans have to be patient especially with LA.
by BBG on Jun 9, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
What is Soccer?
What is this game Soccer you speak of? Is it like Cricket?
$8.00 for a Coors Light at the RG?
I hate the Celtics for good reasons!!
Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo, Sheed, Glen Davis, TOMMY HEINSOHN, and Celtic fans. I lived in Boston. I can’t be convinced otherwise
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 9, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cuz he's a self-aggrandizing jerk who started calling himself the best player in the world after the Celtics won in 2008?
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 10, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
And this is why I despise him also...
If what I just commented turns out to be wrong, please delete from all memory.
Pierce was one of my favorite players
until that moment…
First, even if it had been the case, it would have been totally classless to make this kind of claim, then I still don’t understand the logic behind that reasonning, he wasn’t even the best player on his team…
KG is one of my most hated players in league history but he was by far the best player on Boston’s squad 2 years ago.
Thanks for making my post for me!
Rec.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 10, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
#1 Sport in the world is small time?
Im not a big soccer fan, but since it is the #1 most played sport in the world I would not call it "small “time”
Heed the Warning!!! Oden cometh to bring about your destruction!!
by DRock 4 Blazers on Jun 14, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
a voice of reason has no place on a sports blog. blogs are reserved for deals that are not possible and wild speculation….
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Jun 9, 2010 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for stating the obvious!!
Heed the Warning!!! Oden cometh to bring about your destruction!!
by DRock 4 Blazers on Jun 14, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you do it about something that has already been written ad nauseum about?
That way we can’t complain because it is your “1st post”
This isn’t really directed at the OP though. Granted I don’t think you said anything “new”, but I’m down with reinforcing perspective on these fools. I especially appreciate your support of LaMarcus. He has not been given a chance to excel where he does best. It is like people realize that we are trying to fit Bayless into a particular mold, and understand the argument that he would do much better playing to his strengths, but that when the same logic is applied to LaMarcus they expect an instant change from him and cannot understand we are not playing his strengths right now.
Too much positivity would make for such a boring blog
Also, we do not have a deeper bench than many teams in the NBA. Most of the playoff teams have as deep a bench, or have deeper benches than us.
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
I dunno. I think Camby is far and away the best back-up PF or C in the league
and before Camby I was of the opinion that Joel Pryzbilla was the best back-up center in the league. I do think our back-court could be deeper, which is why I would be drafting a PG/SG or a SG/SF (the latter is easier to find in the draft, though at least 1 of Bradley, White or Torrance should be available to us.)
Yes, he is the best backup C in the league
We’ve had depth in the frontcourt in recent years, just not so much the other spots. I remember last season when Oden entered the game in the 2nd quarter, and was matched up against Joel Anthony on the Heat or something, and the announcer said “Ok, this is just not fair anymore.” But right now, lots of consistency issues from 1-3.
I do think benches are largely identified by the 1-3 positions (energy + scoring), which could be deeper and more reliable, as you said. In the 08-09 season, I would have agreed that we had one of the deepest benches in the league, with Rudy and Sergio making noise whenever they were in together and Oden or Pryz to swallow shots up. Especially after Outlaw opened up his spot-up 3 jumper from the corner.
This past season though, we never knew what to expect from the bench. I think we can thank injuries for a large part of that, but some backcourt power wouldn’t hurt. Maybe consolidating 2 guys for 1 consistent guy or something?
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
agreed.
suns bench ran all over us. I think the canby trade was great but we gave up two good bench players for a starter (at the time)
I take it that it was to me
Camby plus healthy Pryz is the deepest frontcourt rotation in the league, probably, but how much offense will we generate with them?
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
As a lifelong Trailblazer fan
It gets old seeing your squad ALMOST get over the top. Come to think of it I don’t even remember why I hate the LA Lakers..is it becuase they have gotten the best of the Blazers since…well, forever? I think as an adult I recognize sour grapes and that is just one example but how many times have the Blazers passed on a once in a lifetime player? or choked away a huge lead in the fourth quarter when you are 5 minutes away from the Finals or had the #1 seed and lost to the lakers because Uncle cliffy dribbled it off his foot or just could never seem to get the !@#$%&% job done. Now the stupid Blazers brass is can’t figure out what to do with the GM who turned the franchise around?? It would be much easier to root for teams that acutally seem to care about winning championships and (actually do) not about selling tickets and t-shirts, or winning a press-conference instead of the western-conference.
Dick Se-la Meto says hello.
Durant is a Carmelo Anthony...
A Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, etc. G/F with unbelievable scoring potential. Whoopity Doo Da. Not once in a life-time. Good. Yes. Exciting. For Sure. All Star. Most Likely. Champion…. well, we are going to have to see on that one.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 14, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Idol Time
I read the book by this title for this first time his winter, and it explained a great deal about how Portland’s love affair with their pro basketball team began, back in ’77
The Blazer fans hero worshipped the team for decades, until the Jail Blazers severed that trust.
Then in the franchise’s darkest hour Kevin Pritchard turned the team’s fortune’s around. Brandon Roy has received a lot of accolades over the past few years (and deservedly so) but no one in the Blazer’s organization has been more beloved than KP.
We have met the enemy, and he is us. How so?
Paul Allen, Bert Kolde and the Vulcans have grown jealous of KP’s popularity. Did KP bring that on himself? KP may be portrayed as being “egocentric” by national writers, but the local writers disagree, they say he’s a great guy who treats everyone well. So, why are the owner and his cronies jealous? Because the spotlight has been shining brightly on KP, since June 2006. And who has been pointing that spotlight?
Look in the mirror, Blazer fans, and take a bow. We can’t get out of our own way, and because of our fan-love for KP, he’s walking the plank. Like Lenny in The Grapes of Wrath, we just can’t stop squeezing the little bunny so hard.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jun 9, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point.
I like the analogy at the end. Well, I don’t like what it represents, but it seems like a solid representation.
Yeah, that's it. KP is getting too famous.
Let’s go after that West guy as our new GM. Nobody’s ever heard of him.
Huh, what logo???
Idol Time: Yes, excellent book BTW.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 9, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
West won't be idolize by Blazer fans
as you tell from the responses here, he’s being blamed for the Gasol deal when he was probably out golfing when it came down
If West brings another championship to Portland, I’m sure Allen won’t mind sharing the spotlight, and West can ride off into the sunset
or they could rehire Wark. He’s certainly no threat to win the fan’s affections
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Ah, I always liked West. Can't I like him and hate the rest of the Lakers' scum?
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
'Zeke from Cabin Creek (WV)
Some of my earliest NBA memories are from the L*ker teams of the early ‘70s, with West, Goodrich, Chamberlain, etc. The Blazers weren’t on KPTV 12 that often, so if you were watching the NBA much back then, you saw L*A, NY, Boston and a few other teams in the playoffs/finals.
The Blazer-L*ker rivalry didn’t really get started until after Kareem was traded, and mainly during the playoffs in ‘77. Before then, Portland was just an expansion team punching bag for the rest of the league. Of course in the late ’70s and ’80s there were a lot of transplanted Californians moving up here, and the L*kers were having a lot of success, usually at the Blazer’s expense.
West was part of the L*ker front office during those years, and he was considered one of the top league execs, alongside Auerbach in stature and reputation. The stories that were told about Jerry being too nervous to watch the team play were part of his legend. This is one competitive dude, but quiet and insecure at the same time. When he is watching the players, he has an impeccable eye for talent.
I think it would be a coup for Allen to sign the Logo. No Blazer fans should hold his former L*ker allegiance against Jerry, it’s too far removed and he would probably want to beat their brains in just as much (if not more) than we would. I’d like to see him get the opportunity
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, the only concern with West would be his age
West is one of the all-time great NBA players and executives. And by all accounts, he’s an extremely classy person as well. How un-Laker-like! I guess he never managed to shed his West Virginia roots.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
We don't hold it against Jerome...
Didn’t Jerome Kersey briefly play for the L*kers? Along with the Spurs and Sonics I believe…
Yeah, good point
Of course, Big Red also played for them later in his career, and there’s no way we can alienate him because of that!
Grapes???
Right author, wrong book. Lenny was in Of Mice and Men.
I think KP will have the last laugh when all is said and done.
by Rip City Reign on Jun 9, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
you're right
face palm…but at least everyone knows the character
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Correction
My freshmen english class just read those books, and while Grapes of Wrath was a classic (boring) John Steinbeck novel it did not have Lennie. Rather Lennie was from Of Mice And Men whcich was far better than Grapes.
"Good, Better, Best, never let it rest until your good is your better and your better is your best." Tim Duncan
by flynn4blazers on Jun 9, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
So that's just great,
You hop from star ship capt. to the dust bowl, literary standard, and you do so seamlessly. I’m going to do a Utopian, veterinary cooking blog, live from Westminster, and you’ll never find me.
Who needs the competition?
by damonrayhymer on Jun 10, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Lenny would be from ...
“Of Mice and Men”
I can never show my face in an English lit class again
not that I would want to
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
hey buddy, hate to be the first one to point this error out
but Lenny wasn’t in Grapes of Wrath.
He was in Laverne and Shirley.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
i dont care about any of those millionaire's feelings
and if i want to propose a trade to help my team win , this may or may not include shipping out a fan fav, then damnit im going to do just that.
This is , you know, sort of what makes blazersedge fun.
So whatever. Enough with the kumbaya – Go Blazers
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
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#25!
Boo, Sophia. Boo!
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 9, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why I don't really deal with this site anymore
This used to be my favorite site on all the interwebs of the world. It was fun, lively, educational, and had to do with the Blazers. Now it’s bickering and everyone proclaiming why they are right and everyone else is wrong. I read Dave’s stuff and a few people who put up posts. I don’t normally do the comments. I love junk-drawers and joke threads. That’s all I can stand lately. I think part of it may be that, like so many other outlets, Blazers edge has someone who chooses to mix facts with heavily opionnated content. It is difficult to decipher which is which at times and it stirs an enormous amount of controversy. That has pretty much become the norm for this site. BE was my first blog, and I’ll always have feelings for you, but I don’t think it can ever go back to the way it was. I hope we can stay friends.
by einman77 on Jun 9, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You though
I’m still coming to visit on my next trip to Europe, whenever that may be. You can’t get out of that.
It is kind of sad...
but I don’t know if it is really that different than it used to be. Maybe it is just the scale of it all. I remember fatty being pretty controversial and others but maybe there just wasn’t as much of it all to wade through to get to the good stuff. Maybe because the team was in such disarray, BE was a way to find some comfort. Now it seems mostly to be a place to vent because fans are looking for something more than just getting the train back on the tracks. It is more anonymous and less personal. Dave warned us everything would change a couple seasons ago when things turned upward for the team.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
Probably true
Fatty you could kind of laugh at and move on. You knew it was coming, but the grammar kind of weakened the stance from the get go. Now it’s just an anry mob. It starts on the front page and rolls on. I was calling this stuff out ever since the “Adios Sergio” article. I guess coming from “DraftKevinDurant.com”, that’s what one would expect. Hated Sergio, loves Bayless. Now turning on Rudy. Loves Batum (at least that one is pretty unanimous). To put such a highly opionated writer in charge of the inside scoop who gets all the facts first, and then season it with opinion pieces just makes for controversy that you can’t get away from. It becomes ingrained in the idea of what readership is here. I don’t want to be around when he turns on GO, and let’s not forget where he came from. But I do agree that this was a much easier place to come to when it was just a place to try and find the silver lining. Can’t believe that now that everything has turned, so has the focus in that we want to seek out and predict all of the dark spots and pound the crap out of them. Yes, Dave warned us. The thing is, it could have been taken so many places. Guess this way got the most hits because it got people more involved. I seriously had to take a look at myself in the mirror at one point and decide that Blazersedge was affecting my life too much, and that I had to give it up for a while. Hopefully this team starts firing on all cylinders this year and the torches just get doused in the flood.
Nice first post, Ducknasty
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
People like to talk about things
that they wouldn’t necessarily view the same way in reality. That’s part of the function of communities like this…not that every move should be done, but that every move can be discussed at one time or another.
—Dave
Ok
Your last comment, I totally agree with, though I do believe we were a lot deeper before the Camby trade and the injuries (and before Rudy Fernadez’s shocking disappearance).
This comment though…I don’t even know what it means, let alone what to say about it…
I can only be here on BE sporatically because my opinion remains unchanged
Every trade, signing, argument, discussion is from me answered in the same way>> “As long as Nate’s here this team goes no where. He is doing way more damage than good to our developing players.” What am I supposed to do, post that on every post?
As far as KP is concerned, he doesn’t recognize Nate’s shortcomings and didn’t work to move him out of here so, for me, he is done here. He did a mostly really good job and I am happy to be a pretender/contender as opposed to a bottom feeding team. But he also traded Sergio, Waisted the Randolph trade, got burned by Miles situation and tried to trade for Hedo. We were only saved from the latter by Hedo’s saintly wife.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Jun 10, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
Uh, if you feel that way about Nate, put it in your sig. Jest as good as repeating it in every post. And saves keystrokes.
As for your player opinions…dunno what to say there. You really still think Sergio is an NBA player, that more could have been obtained for Statbo, or that the Miles situation was KP’s fault? No question, KP has made his blunders. You just don’t name any of them, save the aborted Hedo move.
BTW: by all reports, Hedo’s wife had nothing to do with the scuttling of that signing.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Seriously, Hedo's wife didn't... but wasn't she.... What you talk'n bout Willis?
I resind everything,,, Nate best coach ever, K.P. god of basketball, me opinionated windbag basketball no-nothing.
And yes, I think Sergio got screwed, abused, misused in PDX. When I saw him play for the Knicks he looked like a broken Spaniard. I think some wise coach somewhere is going to need a point guard and will use his skills and…… More later.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Jun 10, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see what you see in Sergio's game. Fast, nice handle and vision, but after that...
Still, I wish him the best. He seems like a great kid.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Sergio, seriously?
I wished him the best when he left and was a little nervous he might find his niche and make the Blazers look bad but he has had two more opportunities to shine and has not done much. Even if he breaks out in the next couple of years, I doubt that very much at this point, all it would prove is that he wasn’t ready and the Blazers couldn’t wait for him.
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It was the best of times.
It was the worst of times. Because we only use butter. Margarine is not food.
Yeah in general people go to the dark side on things
the Nate thing is a gut reaction, a sensation that, while he is real good at building a young team he does not have what it takes to win it all as a coach. It is like John Cooper with the Buckeyes in the 90s, he was a great recruiter, could win tons of games, but he had a serious shot at 3 national titles in the 90s only to fall short repeatedly in exactly the same way every single time. Buckeye fans suffered through 14 seasons of near misses, it was a fun run most of the season, but every season ended exactly the same way despite the fact that twice we had juggernauts of teams that should not have gotten beat..
Nate’s problems seem to be the same as some of what Coop displayed as well, weird substitutions, hard time with some in-game adjustments, particular teams you can’t beat despite relatively equal or superior talent and the fact that you generally know what is going to happen by the 4th qtr, the losses are so similar. There are a million ways to lose a game and yet the Blazers get beat basically the same way over and over again.
It might be the fact that we have a young team yet, but experience tells me there may be something else going on.
Nate is a good coach, mad respect for what he has accomplished, but my gut tells me we likely have a John Cooper situation here, always so close, but never ever able to turn the corner.
Do you want to risk a Cleveland situation? Ride that ‘oh so close coach’ until the team implodes of its own weight and expectations. I think when this type of pattern develops you need to at least seriously consider a change, otherwise the situation can drag on and on for years.
The good thing about Nate is we will win a ton of games, he game plans very well in a regular season setting. Will that be enough?
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I knew it wouldn't be long until they resorted to cannibalism
sweet, sweet cannibalism….
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 14, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions
Eating its team? Um what?
So far not one change has been made. And other than KP and Rudy leaving, I don’t get wind of a lot else happening. I think you’re overreacting.
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
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When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
"Eating" = "hatin"
C’mon myman Leeroy Jenkins… You gotsta know that deez so-called fans ain’t doin no-good hatin on almost every player on dis here roster for what? Sport? Are we here just hatin for sport? Just pure unadulterated Haters who hatin’ on anything because we want to AX like we know better than The Man… We eatin’ this team alive Boo! From the inside out… Can’t tell me that you figga any diffrent. How are these Ballers ‘posed to trust us as fans, trust deez streetz they runnin, and PLAY like they want to bring the Bling back to OUR town if all we doin is fightin and fussin over how green the grass may be on other rosters and with different Ballers. We eatin’ em dude! We actin a fool and straight Hatin’ the potential Success of this group right outta town…. What next? When do we start hatin’ on Brandon Roy? Huh? Think about it….
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 20, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't completely disagree with you, but some criticism IS in order.
LMA has some holes in his game that he really should address. Namely toughness and willingness to go inside.
I don’t believe our bench to be one of the deepest either as you do. Talented? Yes. But putting the talent to practice and getting it to translate on the floor is another thing altogether.
Which brings me to my third issue. Nate! I think he has been given too much credit for the 50 wins. He is too rigid in his gameplans and substitutions. He completely screwed up the integration of Oden and Miller into the starting lineup. He hasn’t really defined the roles of several players on this team. And how about shaking things up on offense a bit!I think we could do better.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
One person’s dream team is another man’s fail . It’s what makes the world go round and also, along a smaller scale, what makes Blazers edge interesting and an avenue for debate. The very reason you are making a post is to generate some interest or dialog. If there wasn’t other views, you would simply get rec’d by the ones that agree with you. The interesting stuff comes from argument and therefore keeps the post alive and well. Your points are well taken, but there is not one point (in your view) that could not be debated.
To ruin something you have to claim that the fans have something to do with wins or losses. How can a fan ruin something it has no control of…there are just ideas and opinions in here. And everyone gets to reserve their right to suggest, imply, and speculate without consequences. It’s what fans get to do, and BE provides the platform for the key punchers.
Sometimes the view is different and it is from the critical standpoint, where you generate most of your opportunities at improvement. If your happy with what you have, you will step behind a curtain of blindness that spells doom for progression and future success.
You mentioned Masoli as a disappointment to you. I don’t blame your feelings, but in the same breath, if he was reinstated on the team and took the Ducks to a National championship, you would soon forget all about his personal life. The Ducks have had a successful but not necessarily honorable football program. Would that be enough for you to switch to Oregon State? Not likely. The world is full of both good and bad people. Some learn from their mistakes and some don’t. That’s what it it is about…critical views can give you some opportunities to make things right. Believing you don’t have a down side is like admitting your perfect….
Fans will have different barometers to measure success.. It can rise and fall but that doesn’t mean it changes what the atmosphere actually delivers. As fans, we can’t change the weather, but we certainly reserve the right to complain about it.
99 comments and 14 recs? not too shabby for a first-timer
keep ’em coming, ducknasty
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
aldridge,miller,pryz,rudy,/webster need to go during this trade season
aldridge only if he can be part of amare or bosh trade, of course we would add likde pryz/rudy and draft pick to seal the deal.
We need bangers down low and snipers out back.. not mid range turn around jumber PF’S who play sub par defense to be rated so high.
Bosh/amare aldridge/pryzbilla/rudy, parker/conley webster, miller,bayless for either
We're impatient
That’s all it is. People don’t really understand the NBA. Look at the teams in the Finals this year- two of the OLDEST teams in the NBA. Full of grizzled veterans and players who have played together for a number of years, full of players who have had the time to develop into top 50 NBA stars. The Spurs won with geriatric teams as well.
I am aware that Rajon Rondo is widely accepted as Boston’s best player and he is quite young, but he was no great shakes at Kentucky playing with kids his age; now that he plays with three of the top 20 picks in any NBA fantasy draft suddenly he is the second coming of Bob Cousy. I see a discrepancy there, and it isn’t that Rondo isn’t amazingly good (he is). If Andre Miller can help the Blazers so much by himself, imagine what three players of his talent level and experience might have done. The NBA is a VETERANS league.
Eventually, the old ones will retire. All Portland needs to do is keep our players under contract and wait for them to get a little older. We had one of the youngest teams in the NBA this year and last year and probably will next year as well. Be patient, good things will come.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
EXACTLY!!!
Some of the individual players may be “fully developed” in the basketball sense, but the TEAM needs time to grow and learn. Even after LMA, Roy, and Oden are past their statistical primes, their play and savvy will be lightyears beyond what it is now. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to get better, but going into “ZOMG!!!!! WE ONLY HAVE 5 YEARS TO WIN A TITLE!!!! TRADE FOR BOSH AND CP3!!!!” mode is really premature.
The whole timetable thing is silly
Because apparently, Kobe Bryant has had a nine-year window to win the NBA title, and has done so nearly every year he has had a decent center. If you are good and experienced enough to win, you just are.
However, Kobe didn’t win until his fourth year, playing alongside one of the top 3 NBA centers of all time. Recently, he has won two straight next to Pau Gasol, who while not nearly as good as Shaq was, is easily one of the top big men in the league. Notice that when Perkins went down, the Celtics did too.
It’s all about veterans, experience, and GREG ODEN. To open an old wound, Durant is a better player, but Oden is more important to a championship run. The whole “trade for Bosh and CP3” thing is a viable strategy, but it is the Celtics Way and doesn’t always work, unless you have a decent CENTER. Bosh is great but he is not a center.
NOTE: This does not and never did apply to Michael Jordan. Suck it, Kobe.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

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