Wojnarowski: Blazers Using Head Hunters To Find Kevin Pritchard's Replacement
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports writes...
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The Portland Trail Blazers have empowered a private headhunting firm to research and reach out to potential general manager candidates, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
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At least two current NBA front-office executives have been targeted, sources confirmed, and the firm has also made several fact-finding calls about Oklahoma City Thunder GM Sam Presti.
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Pritchard is still preparing for the June draft and making cursory calls on potential trades. Agents dealing with him say he’s toned down his verbiage, no longer making bold proclamations about his ability to buy draft picks and move up to snare their clients. It’s clear he can do little, if anything, without the approval of his superiors.
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Pritchard still has't been evaluated. He established a fall-back plan with the board membership of a technology company. His house recently started being shopped. And now this.
I think the reaction to anticipate and scrutinize closely here is Pritchard's, not the organization's. I would resign in that situation, wouldn't you?
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I don't trust Miller. Never have. I blame him for Penn and now this mess.
I can sense the ‘feel-good’ atmoshere leave the room as quickly as cattle through grandma. Wasn’t Miller the one that sent the threatening ‘E-mail’ to all the other teams as well?
Seriously, is Paul Allen’s illness negatively affecting this team and its decisions??
Wow
I had Held out hope that this wouldn’t happen,but yup this sucks big time
by blazerbeliever97504 on Jun 5, 2010 5:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks KP! You deserved better than this!
Whether in some strange parallel universe that I can’t comprehend KP deserved to lose his job. The way this has been handled should be an embarrassment to the organization.
by 52therim on Jun 5, 2010 5:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
So our current Summer plan...
Is to keep Nate, lose Monty, consider adding Bernie Bickerstaff, keep the trainers, and consider replacing KP.
Hmmm. To this point, this Summer isn’t getting a really high grade.
by Timmay! on Jun 5, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, we still have...
Miller and popular coach Nate McMillan, the Blazers have two powerful and entrenched figures firmly in place.
Though recently Miller didn’t look all that powerful and entrenched, at least to my ears. Not sure what “sources” think Miller is the man pulling the strings in Portland. And Nate at least insinuated on Courtside he was happy with KP and might leave with him when those rumors were first flying.
Yep, Nate is a loyal guy
but will he choose to be loyal to KP or Paul?
and now begins the summer of our discontent…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
yeah, there's not much chance of McMillian dropping on a grenade for KP
I was wondering if you can remember how the Sonic’s felt about Nate’s system before he was signed by Portland. Were they starting to suggest that he needed to change a few things re: the offense/defense and that made him want to leave because he felt slighted re: “philosophical differences”? The reason I’m asking is I’m wondering if it took him 4-5 years to wear out his welcome up in Seattle, and if it will take the Blazers even longer to come to the same conclusion?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
After the 2003-2004 season, there were rumblings that Nate McMillan might just get fired.
Yet, after the Seattle SuperSonics resurgence during the 2004-2005 season that had led to a Northwest Division crown, McMillan became a hot commodity. Oh, and due to the disconnect between McMillan — whose contract was up after that season — and the organization’s front office (i.e., Wally Walker, Rick Sund, et al.), “Sarge” just took his ball and headed elsewhere.
Elsewhere, of course, was the Portland Trail Blazers.
What was that disconnect, style of play or something else?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
From what I recall, Wally Walker and Rick Sund wanted the team to run and use ...
more motion and off-ball movement in the offense. That was made clear by the team drafting Luke Ridnour in the 2003 NBA Draft — as well as its attempt to trade up to the 4th pick for Chris Bosh — however, Nate McMillan didn’t take kindly to Ridnour’s flashy style of play and would often bench him late in games for the more methodical Antonio Daniels.
Oh, and after McMillan left for Portland after Seattle’s surprising Northwest Division crown in the 2004-2005 season, Walker and Sund got what they wanted in promoting Bob Weiss — who’d been there since the middle of George Karl’s tenure — to the head coaching spot. Suffice it to say, Weiss’ up-tempo flex offense, lack of focus on defense, and overly laid back attitude toward the players got him moved off the bench and into an “advisory role” within half a season.
Then the next year Weiss took the Sonics to the finals, right?
That’s kind of what I thought. Nate has his style and unless the front office calls him out and tells him to change it up, it will stay like it is. If Mac doesn’t his system being questioned, then he takes his ball and leaves for the next job. KP came from the Spurs = similar deliberate style of play. Two peas in a pod. But then, why draft Sergio, Rudy and Patty…were they Paul Allen’s faorites?
“I’ll take disfunctional NBA front offices for $600, Alex”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nate McMillan didn’t take kindly to Ridnour’s flashy style of play and would often bench him
So I guess I can cross Luke off the list of potential FA targets for Portland this offseason, eh?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Why pay a headhunter?
Aren’t Wark, Ferry and Kiki the obvious A-listers. I’m sure there a few other names to add to the list, but if PA has a BE account he would know the list. Are we really gonna find an unknown young assistant GM we want to turn this team over to and pass on the obvious A-listers.
by 52therim on Jun 5, 2010 5:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe someone like the Rockets assistant GM Sam Hinkie or the Celtics assistant GM Mike Zarren who are both very good
But in general I would agree that the names you listed are some of the obvious candidates. Though involving an agent/external company always has the advantage of an intermediary doing the calls.
I'd be happy with either one + Presti.
Still, I can’t see Presti coming here with all the Vulcan mess. From what I hear, OKC’s assistant GM is also quite good and likely up for his own GM gig soon, so he might also be a potential candidate.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Presti fleeced the Suns in one trade. Aside from that, his track record is at least as mixed as KP’s. He didn’t have much of a choice when Durant dropped into his lap, he just took who was there. And he e.g. gave the Mavs Beaubois and a second round pick for B.J. Mullens. Um, yeah…
Well, I admit last draft wasn't exactly Presti's finest...
But picking Westbrook and Green were pretty good moves. Plus, he’s one of the new breed that uses advanced stats to supplement traditional scouting, etc.
If we’re letting KP go, there’s nothing wrong with hiring KP 2.0 with less ego and abrasiveness.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
I wouldn't call Green a huge feather in his cap
I think they would have been better off picking Noah, rather than Green, who plays the same natural position as the guy they picked #2 in the same draft.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
absolutely— not even a tough call. Noah is a much better player than Green— we don’t even need to mention positional considerations. Green just isn’t very good.
Yeah, Sam Presti's selection of Jeff Green over Joakim Noah, who may've been ...
the first pick in the 2006 NBA Draft if he declared after his sophomore year, shows a questionable basketball acumen.
There's only one dude between Sam Presti and the Oklahoma City Thunder ownership group ...
(i.e., Professional Basketball Club, LLC), with that being Danny Barth, who’s strictly a CEO/CFO type.
Yet, the water between ownership and the basketball operations department is much more murky in Portland than in Oklahoma City, so I doubt Presti would ever leave his cushy job for this rocky gig.
If the article is correct
And they’ve asked about Sam Presti, then they may still prefer Moneyball-type GMs (other than KP, obviously). Not sure if those 3 are.
True, but it would be awesome if KP drafted this guy in the first round as a walkoff shot
http://clubtrillion.blogspot.com/
Gotta say, Joey Crawford recognizes the importance of having a big 3rd quarter. He always brings it after halftime. - J.A. Adande
I have almost more loyalty to KP than I do to vulcan that's for sure
Barring a few exceptions, I can see being a fan, at least temporarily, of wherever KP lands. I genuinely like him as a GM and would support him, hopefully with an organization that is both not evil and appreciated his contributions a bit more.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
Its Wojo
I won’t believe it until a journalist who doesn’t hate us says the same.
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by skywaker9 on Jun 5, 2010 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My sentiments EXACTLY!
But I do admit the signs aren’t good. Paul Allen could have put this to rest a long time ago. Now, even if it’s a pile of. . Wojnarowski. . .this has to hurt the organization going into the draft and free agency.
This is all so lame & dysfunctional. Just a year or so ago, I believed that the bad old days were over for this franchise and we’d entered a Golden Age.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
What a "cluster"
The Portland franchise had a good thing going and seems determined to mess it up. Whatever KP’s “egotistical behavior” is, it certainly hasn’t been present publically, and he has done an outstanding job of remaking this team into one which the most loyal fan base in the league can be proud of. It would be a shame to see it all fall apart like Oden’s knees. Losing Williams and KP could, in my view, be the beginning of the end for this new, exciting Trailblazers era…
Why would we hire a private headhunting firm?
That doesn’t make much sense to me.
the private search firms do everything
from finding the potentials, to booking flights, to covering tracks, to not making the interviewee look like he’s got hot feet from the team that currently employs him.
it’s been very common for years in other businesses, why wouldn’t sports do the same thing?
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I think the reaction to anticipate and scrutinize closely here is Pritchard’s, not the organization’s. I would resign in that situation, wouldn’t you?
He still has another year left on his contract. So if I’m KP, there is no way I resign unless I have an equal or better job lined up elsewhere.
Bring back Camby. Please.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 5, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions
Exactly, it'd be a terrible business decision for Kevin Pritchard to resign without compensation and/or ...
future employment guaranteed elsewhere. If I’m Pritchard, I’d force Paul Allen’s hand in firing me with a full severance package.
Don't worry Blazer's fans, it could be worse...
You could have David Kahn.
Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10
by Blakeley on Jun 5, 2010 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Paul Allen can burn if he doesn't extend KP..
by BRoyInThe4th on Jun 5, 2010 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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Gotta say, Joey Crawford recognizes the importance of having a big 3rd quarter. He always brings it after halftime. - J.A. Adande
I might, depending on how I was situated.
A guy like KP would be a valued commodity on the open market. He, IMO, is the quintessential Moneyball guy, and there are a lot of opportunities in smaller markets for a man w/ his ability to find good talent at the low end of the pay scale. He, Born, and Bucannon, could run my draft anytime.
by damonrayhymer on Jun 6, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul Allen a.k.a. Kim Jong-il
What a disastrous decision it could be if KP is fired. The probability that Allen/Vulcan are exploring this “option” tells me that they are averse to risk if it favors their egos. Allen and his eerily named mob, “Vulcan”, are about to take the reins of a young thoroughbred that has been ever-patiently groomed to succeed when it’s time. In my opinion, Allen and Vulcan will fail to find somebody to complete the process that KP so wittingly started (i.e. turn the Blazers into an NBA Jedi). You can’t banish KP (Yoda) and expect the Blazers to continue down the delicate path to an NBA championship. Whereas KP’s philosophy could earn the Blazers several championships, I struggle to envision even one without him. To boot, he is more than just a GM, he is a communicator that has satisfied public and media inquiry to the best of his ability, and has done it with genuine character. His honest approach makes it easy to look past the information he is withholding and just appreciate the man for who he is. On the contrary, I liken the Allen/Vulcan crew to one Kim Jong-il, an adolescent-minded dictator that thinks he knows what he’s doing. Allen + Vulcan = bad vibes.
I know, I don't want a GM that created the Thuggets. KP didn't just turn the team around, he turned the image around.
I mean Oden probably has the worst image on the team, and it’s still pretty spotless.
maybe Wojnarowski and his sources are confused.
Perhaps the headhunting firm is looking for Penn’s replacement rather than KP’s? Didn’t we hear last week that the process for the new assisant GM had begun with KP leading the way? I’m probably grasping at straws. Sure does look like KP is a goner.
Ugh.
That’s the Blazer Franchise in a nutshell. Never stay on the right track for too long as it may breed ultimate success.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Man oh man. I woulda never expected we'd be reading this 6 months ago. Oh how things change.
Perhaps there is something really egregious we don’t know about. Maybe Chris Paul was offered for Blake and Outlaw and KP turned them down.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
KP would never turn down that trade though. If we traded those two for Camby, you can be sure we'd trade those two for CP3.
Plus, I don’t think those salaries would match up, so there was probably no such trade.
Guess my sarcasm font wasn't visible enough.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 5, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe KP tried to sign Hedo Turkaglu for a long-term, big money deal
Jest kidding. Every GM has made mistakes. The blessed ones are as lucky as they are good. That’s been KP, with the exception of GO’s injuries.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
durant and oden
allen must have wanted durant. and KP talked him out of it. isn’t that the only realistic basketball-related possibility? and allen finally had enough, when durant busted out this year and made all-NBA first team. particularly with the way the media will ocassionally throw it in our managements face, that oden is a “bust”. it is definitely a franchise defining moment, and PA just couldn’t let it drop
I'm sure the 07 draft is part of it.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 5, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it was probably the only time KP strayed away from his take the best player available instead of need. But in this
case everyone needs a championship center, so it’s forgivable in my opinion. Oden is a championship big if he had never been hurt. You can’t pin Oden’s body falling apart on Kevin Pritchard.
Oh, it's possible that Paul Allen has
Gazillionaire owners aren’t always rational.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I agree. The consensus was that Oden was the #1 pick....but results speak much louder than theories. KP will always be judged for taking Oden over Durant.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 6, 2010 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe in a POSITIVE way
Or do you entirely discount the possibility that GO will end up with more rings than Kevin Durant? I don’t.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Sigh
Not sure what he did but it must a been bad! I’m really disappointed in Paul Allen right about now
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 5, 2010 7:26 PM PDT reply actions
only one thing can save him now:
Does anyone have a picture of Paul Allen and a monkey in a provocative pose? If you do, give it to Kevin Pritchard.
Thanks from all of us….
At least two current NBA front-office executives have been targeted, sources confirmed, and the firm has also made several fact-finding calls about Oklahoma City Thunder GM Sam Presti.
Educated guess, the other exec is Mark Warkentine. At least we know that Wark would have no trouble working with the Vulcans
From A-Woj’s article
Pritchard is still preparing for the June draft and making cursory calls on potential trades. Agents dealing with him say he’s toned down his verbiage, no longer making bold proclamations about his ability to buy draft picks and move up to snare their clients
I know that Adrian is considered the antichrist and KP is the savior around here, but at least we get a glimpse behind the Blazer’s curtain when comments like this come to light. Agents deal with all of the NBA GM’s on a regular basis, and if they’re telling A-Woj that KP has been making “bold proclamations” during his phone conversations in the past, then perhaps we can understand a little better why circumstances have come to this impasse.
I’m not saying that KP is all wrong and that Allen and the Vulcans are absolutely right to replace him, but maybe KP needed someone to send him a message about how the NBA really works. It’s not all about quantifiable metrics and Sloan conferences; long-term relationships and making deals that help both parties will lead to sustained success for your franchise, and career.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but the place I work at has a yearly training module (that everyone has to repeat) that talks about how to represent your company and how not to make bold claims in phone conversations and emails. I suppose it can be tempting to stretch the truth during a proposal (or to make a disparaging coment about your competition) but it’s considered bad form in business and can lead to dismissal if the offense is egregious enough, or if the behavior continues after an internal reprimand.
The sad thing is that it appears that KP has “toned down his verbiage” but it wasn’t in time to save his job. This is probably on Allen, because we’ve learned from the past that once an employee gets on Paul’s bad side he doesn’t get let back in (the new “seating arrangement” at the RG was the most obvious illustration of this). I’m sure Blazer fans are going to villify the owner but let me just remind everyone that if there was no PA, there would be no RG and the Blazers would be playing in a different city today.
Period.
So even though he’s an impatient man with his own way of doing things, there’s no point in wishing for a different/better Blazer owner to come along. Like it or not, he is one of us, even though he lives in Seattle and operates in a completely untouchable social strata, he’s still a Trail Blazer fan and that is what unites us, after all.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Jun 5, 2010 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why in the world do you take Woj's word re/ what agents are telling him?
What “glimpse behind the Blazers’ curtain?” This sounds like the exact same crap we’ve been hearing from Woj all year—likely coming from the mouth of a single jealous, KP-hating GM (and pet source) to Woj’s ear and then spewed out onto the page.
Said GM may well have told Woj that this is what agents have been telling HIM, and Woj then characterized it as what HE’S been hearing. I have absolutely no confidence in Woj’s integrity. His attack pieces vs KP have violated every rule of journalistic practice. The guy is a hack—even if some of this stuff DOES turn out to have foundation. It will have no credence with me until it’s confirmed by more reliable, unbiased sources.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Once again, I find it ironic
that a day after someone wrote a fanpost entitled “A-Woj got it right re: LeBron” there’s an outcry about what Adrian has written about KP
You don’t know that every negative thing that Woj has heard about KP has been from the same KP-hating GM, that’s the urban legend that’s been repeated so often that Bedgers accept it as fact. Woj hears constantly from multiple sources about every NBA team, not just the Blazers. He talks to agents representing players, execs and coaches about all kinds of issues, most of them are not Blazer related. He writes negatively about all kinds of people and situations in the NBA, not just KP. When he slams LBJ, he’s right. When he repeats what he’s heard numerous times about KP, he’s got no integrity
Believe what you want about KP and Paul Allen. There will still be a Blazer team taking the floor in Portland this November and for many Novembers after that. Maybe in ten years you’ll feel differently about KP’s legacy as a Blazer GM? I know that 20 years later I’m still appreciative of the great job that Bucky Buckwalter did, even though he didn’t get that much credit during the 40 year celebration. Life goes on, players and execs come and go. The memories, the fans and the red/black pinwheel are the only things that stick around.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Actually, while I agreed with much of the substance of Woj's LeBron piece. . .
I found the over the top, attack-journalism tone & style to be repulsive. It absolutely reminded me of the KP attack pieces and a lot of the other crap this guy has written. His work simply doesn’t rise to the level of professional journalism, and THAT is why I don’t trust him to use multiple sources for his stories, as you clearly do.
Unfortunately, nowadays journalists can get away with this stuff. They can repeatedly get the facts wrong, display blatant bias, and even flat make stuff up, and no one holds them accountable—not even their own editors (if they have any)—as long as they get ratings. Sadly, guys like John Canzano aren’t the exception anymore: they’re the rule.
You’re more persuasive talking about the big picture ramifications of a KP firing (if that does occur). But even there, I’m not convinced you’re correct. Sure, KP is replaceable. He’s not infallible—we’ve seen that over the years. But the WAY that Allen and the Vulcans have dealt with this situation from Day 1 has been disturbing. Are you truly confident that this dysfunctional ownership can build a championship? Just as players must employ teamwork and possess vision & character in order to persevere and win a championship, so must team ownership in most cases.
OK, the owner can be a jerk. But he must at least possess basic leadership skills. He must possess more than boatloads of cash. He must have some clue as to how to run an organization. I’m seeing the Accidental Billionaire live up to his nickname. He appears to be meddling, petty, insecure, impatient—you name it. Sorry, but none of this bodes well at all for the Blazers’ prospects going forward.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Are you truly confident that this dysfunctional ownership can build a championship?
They’re going to have to be the ones to do it, because there isn’t a hero riding in on a white horse to save the day. Allen is all we’ve got, and “the Vulcans” are the way he chooses to do business.
I’d say the Sea Hawks got pretty close to winning a championship a few years back, wouldn’t you? If not for a couple of questionable call from the officials, they might’ve done it. Same owner, same Vulcans
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That's football--you're comparing apples & oranges
I’d develop that point, but I suspect no one’s reading this thread anymore. . .
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
plenty of people don't like the Carroll comparison
but the simple fact is, the headhunters went out and recruited a high-profile coach who (up until last year) ran an extremely-successful college program. USC was a dynasty again under Pete, after the school had fallen off big time before he took over the program. I can be a Duck’s fan and still tip my cap to a rival (although if he’s wearing orange it’s a real challenge) To be honest, I’m glad he’s out of the conference = more Roses for the big O
Will PC succeed with the Hawks? I have no idea. I just use the illustration because the Vulcans are now searching for a big splash to take charge of another one of Paul’s pro sport’s franchises, and they seem to have had some success bagging one, lately.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I was talking about your suggestion that, if Allen and his Vulcans fielded a contending NFL team, they can do so with an NBA team
But the two games and cultures are entirely different. Football is controlled warfare. The Jailblazers would seem like choir boys on most NFL teams. Coaches routinely abuse players, and players abuse their own teammates. Guys’ careers average 3 or 4 years, I believe, and there’s dozens of them on a team. NBA players who say “sports are a business” should experience life in the NFL to find out what that expression really means.
I could go on & on. Success (or relative success) in the one sport would not necessarily translate to the other sport.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
the difference between hiring a high profile NFL coach and an NBA GM
can’t be all that large, the problem (like Larry Miller said today) is that the replacement process becomes public and every fan that watches the team wants to weigh in with their .02
(not to mention bloggers and media members, who have news and rumors to circulate)
From what Vance said today re: Warkentine, I’m more convinced than ever that Mark will be the next GM, unless someone with more sizzle (West, etc) wants the job. I don’t expect a lot of Bedgers to like it, but I doubt PA or the Vulcans will care that much
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You really think Allen will regress to the point of hiring a GM associated with the Jailblazers?
You may be right. I"m not putting anything past the Accidental Billionaire at this point. He’s shown remarkably poor judgment at every stage, except when he gave the GM job to Kevin Pritchard. Not that KP hasn’t made blunders himself. But for all his ad nauseum references to team “culture,” KP DID change the culture of the Blazers. That’s been a big, big deal. It wasn’t any accident that the team with the most games lost to injury this season still made the playoffs. That was a testament to the character of the players that KP has drafted.
To turn back the clock by hiring Warkentine would confirm all my worst fears about Paul Allen. More to the point: it would suggest to me that the Blazers, despite having a talent-laden roster and a rich owner, are doomed to failure.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
If this is true ( and not just a pile of Woj),
then don’t be so sure that PA is any guarantee against “the Blazers would be playing in a different city”
becoming “the Blazers might be playing in a different city”.
Why is Allen treating KP so rudely over a business decision?
Did he (or his ex-assistant) insult the guy in some way to deserve the obviously belittling treatment? All we can do is speculate, so we might as well have fun with it…
If a super-rich owner treats a hardworking and loyal and good employee so poorly, what makes you think he gives a chip about Portland and its local fans. PA was probably also quit peeved that the fans had the nerve to show up with signs supporting KP – I understand that the signs were banned.
I speculated that billionaire petulance and a bad joke about PA’s pick of the Turk (and his Rose Garden reception) was Tom Penn’s downfall, but it was in rude jest; now I really begin to wonder is he is one of those power-drunk teen egos using money to authenticate his existence. He reminds me of a young kid who owns the playground, and buys new fancy baskets so he can ‘shoot better’. Will he just take his ball and go home?
That said, I’m hoping this is just a pile of Woj.
All in all a reminder who’s team it is; certainly not ours. We get to cheer a rich man’s weekend hobby.
GO Seattle Aliens!!!
"We get to cheer a rich man’s weekend hobby"
Thanks, Sashland: now I’m REALLY depressed. Of course, I can cheer myself by thinking about the real-world, uplifting story of how the Gulf Coast has rebounded from Hurricane Katrina. Er. . .
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I've said this before, and nobody likes to hear it, but
Paul Allen knows that Blazer fans will show up and support a winner, even if the players aren’t choir boys. So no, I don’t think he’s worried about fans staying away from the RG if he replaces a popular GM.
As a long-time Blazer fan I’m much more concerned about Paul’s health than KP’s job. If Mr. Allen goes the way of John Wooden in the next few years, I may have to decide if I want to keep rooting for the Trail Blazers if they’re located in Las Vegas, or some other market. Paul’s sister would own the team after his demise, and she’s no NBA fan. She’d probably put the franchise up for sale and then “who knows” would buy it? Perhaps a group like purchased the Sonics a few year’s back, and promised to keep them in Seattle?
I don’t cheer for the Blazers because of KP, but I still can watch NBA games in Portland because of Paul. I “root for” the team, and no single Blazer personality is bigger than the team
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Yeah, something like the Kansas City Trail Blazers would be the reverse of the old Oregon Trail.
Rather than go from Missouri to Oregon, it’d go from Oregon to Missouri instead. A bit ironic, isn’t it?
Anyone who remembers
the acrimonious relationships that existed between management and the public before KP has got to be sickened by this. KP is the one guy who had the commitment and character to turn the culture around and make it a team we could be proud of. Guess that wasn’t what Allen wanted.
Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob
Things were too good for too long. This is just a big reminder that Paul Allen still owns the Blazers. And he’s never been good enough to win it all. How long before he’s making trades for another thug or headcase because the guy has a nice fantasy line? Ugh, I thought we’d finished rebuilding and didn’t have to worry about that stuff anymore.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 5, 2010 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Relax KP will be fine and the Blazers can afford to hire the best available talent
I like the job that KP did with his strong character additions but the contract negotiations have been generous to the point of choking out talent down the line. Compare Rondo’s contract to LA’s. Hedo was a very near miss and the Euro plan has not born any fruit to date. KP has a lot of hits but an equal number of misses. The Blazer pieces are already in place so the GM’s job will be contract negotiations and consolidating talent – not KP’s strong suits. The draft may not be as fruitful for a while.
by Jacksonville on Jun 5, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt like KP understood why we needed to make changes, and why Brandon Roy was the perfect guy to lead our team. Portland needed a lot more than just some wins to believe in their team again, and I’m sad to see the one guy who really ‘got it’ shoved out the door. It makes me think back to the years between Clyde and Roy, and how many bad contracts, stupid drafts, and dumb trades were made. I just worry that Paul Allen will lead us back to that era just when we had something special building with KP at the helm.
Compare the C's also trying to trade Rondo this summer
Rondo comes from circumstances, and is not popular with the rest of the team except for Perkins.
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Ughh!
This offseason better not get any worse.
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jun 5, 2010 9:57 PM PDT reply actions
Can anyone explain why you would wait this long to can KP???
If he did something so bad or is so horrible at his job why not fire him at seasons end and get on with the GM search. WHY WAIT??? It feels like there are some alterior motives here that we don’t understand.
If he is good enough to choose who to draft to be the best future players of this team then why are you getting rid of the guy?
Sad stuff, I’m a loyal Blazers fan so KP or not I’m sticking with my squad, but this stings.
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
There's a difference between "canning" and replacing
If KP had done something that was worth firing him for, he would’ve been let go back in March, like Penn was
What the owner is doing now is going through a process of replacing the GM, that’s different. KP is an employee under contract, he is obligated to fulfill the terms of that contract until he’s told his services are no longer required. Blazer fans are emotional about this because KP’s job affects the improvement of the team, but his job responsibilities really haven’t changed. (Neither has his career path, he still wants to be an NBA GM)
If KP decides to tender his resignation, it will cost him a lot of money and his reputation around the league will take a hit. I suspect his agent would advise him to remain at his post and do the best possible job under the circumstances, to ensure that he maintains his integrity and is able to change teams and continue his career, in the future.
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So your thinking that they are just starting early to look...
for a replacement in a year when his contract is up? I could be wrong but I thought he had one more year on his current deal, and if so thats way too early.
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
Oh, there's no doubt that "something" happened to make Paul want to replace KP early
but it wasn’t enough to make Allen decide to fire KP immediately, as with Penn
The key date is 6-24-2010. Once the draft is over, the head-hunters should have a few names for Allen and the Vulcans. Nothing’s “right” about this, but the process is on schedule for a GM change in late June or early July
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I think you are being overly kind to the Vulcans and Allen.
KP has been treated like crap throughout this long, sad ordeal. He has been left to twist in the wind, subjected to public humiliation, sabotaged by press leaks, and generally abused.
To treat any employee in this manner is a poor reflection on the owner. To do this to the man who has been the public face of the rebranding of the Blazers and the guy who has assembled so much talent is truly offensive.
I have lost most of what respect I still had for Paul Allen, and I don’t expect to be getting it back any time soon.
by upper left corner on Jun 6, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It's certainly not my job to defend Paul and the Vulcans
If they’ve lost your respect, they’ve lost your respect. But I suspect the Trail Bazer team hasn’t lost your allegiance and fan support
Some fans will say “I won’t spend another dollar on the Blazers until so-and-so is gone” and there are probably some out there who never came back after the Jail Blazer era. Everyone has their hot button that will push them over the edge, but I don’t think the treatment of KP will prove to be that “final straw” for a large number of Blazer fans. Who we’re hearing from here at BE is a very emotional, vocal minority who believed in KP and what he’s done for the franchise (which was substantial, BTW) But I expect that when the first week of November rolls around these same folks will be tuning in or buying tickets to see the team on the floor, regardless of who the GM is. Staying mad at Allen seems to me to be an exercise in futility, and I don’t even want to contemplate the state of the Blazers, post-Paul
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I'm not make any wild accusations or threats
I am angry and upset. I tried to lay out my thinking in my post below.
I love the team. I love the players. I think we have the talent to challenge for a title. I will root for the team to achieve that success. However, I do not understand PA’s move from a basketball or business perspective. It seems foolish and risky. If they hire the right guy the damage may be minimal and short lived. If they hire the wrong guy, the team may implode on the launch pad. Why take such a risk? To me it seems like petulant impatience directed at the wrong target.
I quit watching for three seasons during the depths of the "Jailblazer " era, after being an avid fan from Day 1. I won’t quit watching and hoping as long as they put a team of good guys who represent our community well. On the other hand, firing KP goes a long way to confirm my doubts about PA’s savvy as a businessman and a basketball fan.
by upper left corner on Jun 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Why take such a risk?
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Because taking risks are required for winning championships. Allen thought the team was a year behind in it’s championship window last summer. He came to the PF at the beginning of fall camp and let all of the players know in a speech that it was time to win now. The window was open, the expectations were raised. Anything less than improvement was not going to be met with patience and understanding
I think in Paul’s mind the Blazers should have reached the WC finals, by now. Injuries to Oden are like torpedoes in the water—full speed ahead! We can debate how imbalanced his thinking may be, re: the reality of his team’s situation, but I doubt he would be any more sympathetic to our pleas to save KP’s job than he was in hearing excuses for another first round playoff defeat.
A couple of years ago, the mantra was “let the cake bake” and I still hear that old bromide from Bedgers when trade proposals are debated. The issue that everyone needs to keep in mind is Brandon Roy’s NBA career mortality. As much heat as Roy and Nate get about their ISOs the fact is #7 is the most talented Blazer to come down the pike since Clyde, and if the Blazers are going to win it all it’s going to need to be soon, because Murphy says that the Natural’s knees aren’t going to hold up long enough to draft and develop a roster the patient way.
Bold moves will need to be made. Risky moves, even. Not just draft day moving up and down the board but actually a “trading away something that hurts for another star player” kind of move. Does KP have the cajones to make that deal? Maybe you think yes, but maybe Paul thinks otherwise—based on his conversations with Kevin over the last year or so. Perhaps Allen has heard back-channel of some rfits between KP and his rival GMs that are going to prevent this kind of blockbuster deal from happening?
I have no idea, but I don’t mind the idea of PA taking risks, because just having a nice team that makes the playoffs every year isn’t satisfying enough, for me. Maybe other fans can say “we’ll get those lousy L*kers next year!” but I’m tired of being an also-ran, and looking forward to a day in the future where everything comes magically together and cake finally emerges from the oven.
The future is now. Brandon’s knees say so. Paul Allen’s health says so. History has been written by those who were willing take risks…let’s see if the Blazers can make some history, instead of playing it safe and remain mired in mediocrity
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I won't spend money on them if they re-hire Warkenstein
I have many interests, and the Blazers will fall to the wayside if I don’t enjoy the players on the field.
Same thing has happened to me with the Bengals, and if these Packer things with Jolly and Underwood are left to simmer, I’ll just find something else to do Sunday afternoons. I’m sure my fiance will be happy about more yardwork done on weekends.
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like I told you a few weeks ago
you’ll come back around. The Reds are finally competitive again, after 10 years of below .500 play. It took a series of GMs and a new owner to revitalize the franchise, and now they’re finally on the right track, even with a much-maligned manager in Johnny B. “Dusty” Baker. The small-market blues couldn’t keep ’em down forever, and if they can keep their young pitching healthy, happy days will be here, again
Be true to your school. (Or your favorite team, as the case may be). Don’t let turkeys like Brown or Allen get you down. Life’s too short to stress on front office politics
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
if you take your sports that seriously
then, ahh, maybe your fiance does need a little help with the yardwork
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
c'mon, i do all the yardwork myself
she just supervises.
and my position is that i’m not willing to take watching sports too seriously, it’s a diversion that if it doesn’t bring me pleasure, then it doesn’t get my free time.
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I don't think it's too early. Everything points to him leaving. Sucks.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 6, 2010 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, OK then....
Good luck, Kevin, hope your next position won’t treat you like this. Thanks for an exciting team! You and Tom did a spectacular job. I’m sure I speak for others when I say, ’I’ll be rooting for you…’
by 1ofthe7 on Jun 7, 2010 2:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
does this all harken back to the "pritchslap"?
Can he not do his job as well now because of the feelings of other GM’s. I don’t know.
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by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Jun 6, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
Those of us who have been watching this team for decades....
…..understand the connection between who is in the GM chair and the quality and character of the team on the floor.
Firing KP is hugely important. If you don’t understand it, I doubt I can explain it. I would just ask you to look around at the successful franchises around the league, most have had tremendous stability in the front office.
by upper left corner on Jun 6, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
“I thought we were done playing Whack-A-Mole” -PA
RIP John Wooden.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 6, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
Paul Allen's appetite for self-sabotage appears limitless.
Despite his obvious desire to build a quality franchise and win a Championship, Paul Allen continues to make one mis-step after another.
1) PA fired Petrie and Adelman, and brought in Whitsett.
2) PA and Marshall Glickman messed up the financing of the Rose Garden and got themselves locked into long term bonds that could not be refinanced when interest rates dropped.
3) PA spent millions to assemble talent and then after the 2000, game seven, loss to the L@kers, PA got impatient and allowed Whitsett to make the disastrous trades for Kemp and Dale Davis.
4) After riding Whitsett to the depths of the “Jailblazer” era. He hired Nash and Patterson who made several poor draft picks and signed bad contracts with ZBo and D Miles.
5) PA tried to play hardball with the bondholders, who called his bluff and took over the RG. It cost PA gobs of money in lost income during the seasons he didn’t own the building and gobs more to buy it back.
6) Finally, he made a good decision and hired KP. KP may have been young and a bit brash, but he has proven to be a very good evaluator of talent. People can nit-pick one decision or another, but most of the complaints are based on hindsight. GMs are like baseball players; they aren’t going to hit a home run every time up at the plate. KP has achieved an outstanding batting average in all his moves as GM. Furthermore, he has built a team of likable guys, who have good chemistry off the floor, and who have restored the teams connection to the community.
7) Now, once again driven by apparent impatience, PA appears poised to fire Pritchard just at the moment when patience is most needed. Injuries have slowed the teams ability to compete in the playoffs, but the talent is here:
Roy and Aldridge are a solid foundation. Oden, Batum, and Bayless showed dramatic improvement. Cunningham and Pendergraph showed promise as role players. Turning Blake and Trout, into Camby, was a brilliant move that may be what puts us over the top next season.
Miller was a rock in a season of turmoil. He may not be a perfect fit next to Roy, but I think he was the best player available to fit the teams biggest need. Millsap’s PER of 24 in the playoffs this year showed the wisdom of KP’s pursuit last year. Hedo may or may not have been a mistake. We will never know.
What we do know is that Pritchard built a roster filled with so much talent that in spite of loosing over 300 games to injury and the loss of its only two centers, the team won 50 games. Many fans seem to be unable to grasp how amazing the accomplishment really was.
8) Now, just as the team is poised to challenge the leagues elite, PA appears to be allowing his impatience to once again endanger the teams future. Pritchard is a proven talent evaluator and a skilled trade tactician. Bringing in some one new carries real risk. They are going to feel pressure to put their stamp on the team, just at the moment when patience is most vital. The new GM may, or may not, be as skilled at evaluating talent. The new GM may, or may not, understand the current roster and share KP vision as to how the pieces should fit together.
9) From a public relations standpoint, firing KP is an unmitigated disaster. A huge segment of the fan base opposes such a move and will blame PA if the team does not immediately succeed. PA has a rather checkered reputation as a business man post-Microsoft. This move will only serve to confirm that reputation and imperil the teams future progress.
I’m angry. I’m worried, and I do not understand a move that appears to run such a risk of self sabotage.
by upper left corner on Jun 6, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess it all depends on your perspective
The decision to replace KP can be seen as a panicky, knee jerk reaction or it could be seen as the second (or probably, third stage) in an organizational growth chart.
Why are you so certain that now is the time for patience? Are you certain the Blazers have all of the pieces on their roster (and on the coaching staff) to contend for a championship, if they can just all stay healthy? I’m sure there are others of us who could vigorously debate that viewpoint.
I have no intention of flinging mud at KP to make PA look better. Kevin’s done a great job of acquiring talent, I’d put his track record up against Bucky Buckwalter’s as the best 5 year run of any previous Blazer GM (even though Bucky was VP of BB ops, never the full GM) But like Bucky, KP might not be the guy who sits in the big chair when the team advances to the next level. It might take a different hand on the wheel once the ship leaves port and heads out into the open sea of championship contention (and that sappy analogy applies to the head coach, as well)
It’s easy for those outside the organization to say “look at all that steady growth, let’s stay the course”—but nobody hands out trophies for 50 win seasons—and Paul Allen, bless him, isn’t the kind of owner that is going to be satisfied until he’s back in the finals. That’s the kind of owner that every fan should thank their lucky stars to have at the top of the organization…but in PA’s case he makes unpopular moves and is criticized by the media and then by the fans for being ultra-competitive.
Who do you want for an owner…Al Davis? Donald Sterling? Mark Cuban? Jerry Buss? Red McCombs? Marge Schott? Jerry Jones? I’ll take Paul, warts and all. Because I know that he’s not going to be satisfied with making a profit and selling a couple of hours of entertainment. Go big, or go home.
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I'd easily take Mark Cuban over Paul Allen, as well as Dr. Jerry Buss. Buss isn't any great shakes, ...
but he doesn’t seem to meddle with the basketball operations department. Buss’ daughter has got a lot of input on the business side of things and his son works right under GM Mitch Kupchak, although that’s been a successful setup in Los Angeles.
Well, I'll guess you'll be over at the Maverick and L*kers equivalent of Blazersedge, then?
It’s been fun. Enjoy your new owners. Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll never do anything to embarrass you!
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
There isn't any need for straw man arguments, okay.
More than anything else here, I’m loyal to the Pacific Northwest. My loyalty to the region, however, doesn’t blind me from the fact that Paul Allen’s business acumen is less than ideal for a person who owns a professional sports franchise.
by AK1984 on Jun 6, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not blind about Paul's shortcomings, either
I’m just sure that 1) he’ll be the owner of the Blazers until the day he dies, and 2) whatever he decides to do re: the team will be done without consulting the fans or media beforehand
With that in mind, I’m not going to spend a lot of time thinking about how things might be better if he wasn’t the owner, or expecting him to turn over a new leaf after 20 years. I expect the Blazers to be back in the finals, with Allen as the owner. KP may not be the GM, Nate might not be the coach, but somehow they’ll get back there in spite of Paul’s less than ideal business accumen
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You're right in one way, with that being how the Trail Blazers continued existence in ...
Portland rests squarely on the shoulders of one Paul Allen—for good, bad, or otherwise.
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Sometimes people fail to look at the entire package of work for so called “successful” businessmen. Paul Allen has made many very poor choices, but been rewarded by exceedingly good luck. Mark Cuban became a billionaire by creating a start up that was proposing to broadcast MLB radio feeds over the internet. That company never made money, but luckily he sold out before it crashed. Then he did some various insider trading deals, and I think also got some very lucky info on the government’s plans to force through HDTV.
It’s funny that a reviled team owner like Mike Brown of the Cincinnati Bengals is considered a total failure due to his lack of winning, but in reality is the amazing success story. Brown made his millions in football, only from football. His father pretty much invented the NFL, (that’s where the Cleveland Browns’ name comes from, wouldn’t it be weird to root for the Portland Allens?) and The Bengals consistently turn a profit no matter how poor their record. They take all the guaranteed TV money, a sweetheart stadium deal, concessions revenue, and then don’t hardly ever use up the salary cap. The man is almost universally hated in his town, but keeps making money efficiently.
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A better example than Mike Brown would be Al Davis, who worked his way from the ...
bottom (i.e., offensive line coach) to the top (i.e. AFL Commissioner). Davis has obviously lost a step or two and the game has long since passed him by, but his ascension was a truly remarkable feat nonetheless.
No. He wouldn't be a better example.
Mike Brown has never won, or tried to win. The Bengals have had 2 winning seasons since the advent of NFL free agency. My whole point was about the owner who is a fantastic businessman at the expense of an entertaining and effective product.
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Today on the radio, Vance estimated that Allen has spent a billion on the Blazers
Seeing as how he paid 100 mil one year in luxury taxes to the NBA, and built the RG, that figure doesn’t seem out of line
I would seriously doubt that there’s been an owner in pro sports that’s forked over anywhere close to that amount on his team. Has he made some bad business decisions? Sure, no one is saying that he hasn’t. But has his main focus been putting a competitive team on the floor with the short and long range plan of winning an NBA championship? I don’t think anyone would deny that he has.
Maybe he’s doing it all for himself with little regard for the fanbase (I don’t believe that, but let’s pretend that he’s really that shallow) but even if that were true, we’ve had a pro team in Portland long past the period of time that the market would’ve supported it if someone other than Paul had purchased the team back in the ‘80s. That’s gotta count for something. I can put up with a lot of bad social skills and corporate bungling before the team that I’ve rooted for my entire adult life is packed up and shipped off to another city.
The franchise is in good hands, and the best part about all of this KP fuss is that no matter how much fans complain about PA’s way of doing things, he’s not going to throw up his hands and sell the team because of it. He’ll be right back there in his baseline seat next fall at the arena that he paid for, and most of us will still be cheering for the only major pro sport’s team this city has ever had, right along with him.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nice. Recced.
You didn’t even have to go into all the mistakes he makes with the Seahawks.
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