Monday Discussion: Tony Parker

But he’s become so injury prone at this point he’s not worth taking a huge risk on.

Dude is a winner, and a great player but not worth giving up what we’d have to.

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Tony Parker is a better point guard then Andre Miller. I don’t think there’s any question about that. But would I try to get him? I don’t think so. On the positive side he’s been a winner his whole career and he has a couple of rings. But he’s been injured a lot. I’d like it more if they went after Devin Harris…. Or….. And this is a STRETCH. But I’d like Derrick Rose. But that won’t happen.

I’d like to get a starting PG that fits better with Roy than Miller, but I don’t see that happening this summer.

Parker may be an upgrade, but I am happy with Andre for vet PG, considering the cost. The possibility of sacrificing some of our established talent for Parker as a Blazer just does not excite me at all. I would hope we spend our talent/cap space on a greater upgrade, somewhere. If we just can’t pull off any “super” deals, our existing team, with minor tweaks, minus injuries, and with an “enligntened” McMillan (please!), is one I still have hope in. We really haven’t seen what they can do yet.

Spurs are rebuilding. Why not offer them something like,

Joel’s expiring, Andre’s expiring, Rudy.

Does that work contract-wise?

He’s a huge fixture in San Antonio an in all likelyhood fans/management will want a marquee player in return. Our team has three of those, each filling a role well if not perfectly. The smaller pieces aren’t worth enough name value clectively to appease San An.
Our point guard of the future will come from a team that needs to dump one for whateer reason. Think Minnesota or some such team. It will cost less in talent and $$$, even if it will be an “unproven” talent. The I someone out there not getting the playing time to show of his (or I suppose her) skills. I have to imagine that person is not currently a Blazer as our staff gets to see those guys all the time.

Knicks were the only team interested in him as a starter.

I’ve also been to the San Antonio/Austin area. It’s awful in the Fall/Winter/Spring and it’s uninhabitable in the summer.

You might wish you in San Antonio if you were in El Paso, or Gaza. If you can’t include war zones , it’s a pretty short list.

I would probably start with an offer around Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla (once he picks up his option), Jeff Pendergraph, rights to Victor Claver, for Tony Parker and Malik Hairston. San Antonio might have to involve another player, but they also have some free agents who first must get re-signed or replaced. Maybe Jeff and the (not cap relevant) rights to Claver would have to be handled in a smaller separate deal for the rights to someone more or less useless, like Robertas Javtokas or Sergei Karaulov who likely will never play in the NBA.

We have good potential that could take over in a couple of years, until then we have Dre that already knows the team and the system. Parker is on his way out, Mills, JBay, Kopenon, our new PG if we keep him are on their way in. I say work with what we have. Parker wasn’t great when he started.

I think the #1 thing our team needs is clearly defined roles and players who can fill them with some level of consistency. Parker would only make sense if he clarified things in that regard, for example by coming in to replace Miller and removing Joel and Rudy, leaving a set rotation of Bayless and the new guys behind him.

If we had to give up a piece like Batum then, as good as Parker can be, he’d throw our rotation into chaos and that would hurt the team. A talent like CP3 would have enough impact to overcome that disruption, but I don’t put Parker in that category. Unless he’s a total steal I’d pass.

that Parker is for various reasons not worth what we would have to give up.

If I were to write the devil’s advocate position, however, I would point out these two differences:

1. Tony Parker is a proven winner of an NBA championship. Andre Miller has not only never made it that far, but has played on teams which were mostly unsuccessful.

2. Tony Parker is married to Eva Longoria. This seems like (and really is) no big deal, but he is used to the cameras and seems fine with media attention. Andre Miller is something of a media recluse, only dealing with reporters and cameras reluctantly. When it comes championship time and your team is half of the entire NBA coverage, it’s hard to hide from the cameras as in the regular season.

Since both provide similar tangible benefits on the court, these may be two other factors to consider. Comments?

The requirements of the deal are an extended, low-price Jerryd Bayless and a future unprotected #1. No matter what other stuff you come up with, I think that has to be part of it. Overall I don’t like adding Parker anyhow.

The Blazers are about 2 years away from having to decide weather to rebuild or stay the course. If they rebuild, we probably gave away young talent for Parker and he won’t be part of that ‘next’ team. If we stay the course, suddenly Parker is looking old. It’s a lose-lose.

Simply because TP duplicates the skills of Andre. Why add a new player and start over in terms of building chemistry? Why bring in ANY PG with the same skill set as Andre, but is anything less than the unstoppable ironman Miller is? etc, etc.

Ryan Gomes $4.25M (1M Guaranteed) to Miami for Michael Beasley $4.96M

This get’s us a better trade piece and an arguably better player, gives Miami capspace >$3.25M(? I think, how ever should be enough to get them the capspace they are looking for). Beasley, I believe, has a Team Option for 11-12 which could theoretically make him an Expiring this next year unless picked up by October ’10.

After two months:

(Beasley $4.96M) + (JPEC $7.4M + 15% trade kicker = $7.5M) = $12.5M to SAS for Tony Parker $13.6M

Incoming Salaries = 109.4% of Outgoing Salaries, CBA acceptable (I’m fairly confident).

This lets the Spurs start their PG in training George Hill gives the Spurs two expiring contracts. One most likely covered by insurance in Joel or a Defensive Rebounding Big if he is able to play plus bird rights at the end of the season. That is a good gamble. They also get a youthful and potent player in Michael Beasley, who could be a shot of energy for them. Risky but also expiring. I do have a hard time imagining them taking him though.

Now this also gives us both Tony Parker and Andre Miller, both starting quality PGs, not to mention Jerryd Bayless (and now Armon Johnson). Andre is also an expiring and is a good trade piece to get us something else in return for his $7.3M contract. What? I do not know, depends what areas need to be covered from there on out.

Another scenario, which may make sense to some is:

(Beasley $4.96M) + (Andre Miller EC $7.3M) = $12.2M to SAS for Tony Parker $13.6M

Incoming Salaries = 112% of Outgoing Salaries

PG for PG. But Andre Miller will not play second fiddle to George Hill. He’s a good trade piece as an expiring contract. But is that enough? I started to think the numbers are close for both scenarios but why did we draft Elliot Williams when is was speculated that they like him so much? Then it hit me. Is he a deal sweetener?

(Beasley $4.96M) + (Andre Miller EC $7.3M) + Elliot Willioms ($1,045,600) = $12.2M $13.27M to SAS for Tony Parker $13.6M
Incoming Salaries = 102.8% of Outgoing Salaries

Incoming Salaries = 102.8% of Outgoing Salaries

(Beasley $4.96M) + (JPEC $7.4M + 15% trade kicker = $7.5M) + (Elliot Willioms $1,045,600) = $13.5M to SAS for Tony Parker $13.6M

Incoming Salaries = 100.9% of Outgoing Salaries — WHOA NELLY!

That’s a hell of a trade, at least by the numbers. :D

I also heard that Memphis was interested in Luke Babbit, I was pretty high on Xavier Henry and a straight up trade isn’t too far out of the question. Xavier Henry could play behind Roy and play spot minutes at SF. But this would mean that Rudy is used in a trade.

Haven’t thought to far after that, I can only hope that if Luke Babbit is retained that we send Rudy somewhere for something but also look to get a player a la Raja Bell as a back up for Roy with the MLE. Defensive minded SG with a good 3 point shot, would love that. People are also suggest Mike Miller or John Salmons but neither really tickle my fancy, although I do imagine MM being more attainable.

Expendable trade pieces: Rudy and Andre Miller/Joel Pryzbilla. I could see us keeping Joel as he is the perfect back up to Greg and/or Camby. If he stays and plays, I hope to put Camby behind LMA as a PF. But the front court, for the most part, is rotatable.

Parkers skill set duplicates Dre’s for the most part, bet he makes twice as much. Is he twice as good? I realize that’s not the greatest argument, but the value of TP is not good. Also, would he and his fabulous wife want to stay here? He’ll be an UFA next summer. Would we be giving up the farm for one year of Tony Parker? I’m not sold on this idea.

too much potential for batum to burn us in the future. Find a different trade partner. You make a good point dave, every fan thinks about their team before they consider what the player wants and if your team has anything the other team would like to trade for.

He wouldn’t be that huge of an upgrade over miller, so if it takes Batum to get him, I say no. If there’s a way to get him without sending over one of our main 4 (Roy, LA, Batum, Oden) then sure.

Well, a 6’3 and 210lb Steve Blake.

Duncan still has two years left on his contract at 18 and 20 million, and Ginobili still has three years to go. Parker’s the only contract that expires this year. And out of the three, Parker already has a replacement in George Hill at the PG spot.

He’s coming off of his worst season and it was pretty clear he wasn’t playing healthy last year. So does the trend continue and his play get even worse this season? Why not trade Parker now while you can still get something for him. Maybe the Blazers could trade Pryz’s expiring contract along with Millers?

how many people here would turn down a celebrity despite her whorish ways?

are irksome.
I would not want to live in a country where any team would give up a great player for expiring contracts, before the season even started, and then face THEIR FANS for 41 home dates. This GM’s would look at the cameras, promising them what, exactly?
So I apologize.

I don’t see us pulling off another steal like the Camby trade, but I think Parker is an option…for the right price. That doesn’t include Batum (by the way, we all know that the rest of the league wants him and we won’t deal, so it’s kinda silly to keep bringing him up), Roy, or Oden. The pieces we’re eager to give up in a deal like this would be Gomes, Rudy and Miller. We’d also be willing to let Przybilla go, but I’m less that hot on that.

The main reason that some of us think SAS would be wiling trade partners, is the great performance of Hill. If I’m SAS’s GM, I’m seeing a younger, cheaper option in Hill that I’d be willing to take a chance on, because he’s surrounded by plenty of good leadership. Parker’s contract starts to look real big when Hill performs, and his veteran status doesn’t hold the premium that does here, because there’s still Manu and Timmy to keep the young pups in line down there.

I think the trade outline above (Gomes, Miller, Fernandez) works on many levels, all of them to do with performance and money. Gomes gives them a much cheaper Jefferson, without too much of a dip in talent. Fernandez gives them a pocket Ginobili for a couple million less than Mason. Miller gives them a vet PG that may have had his way with Sarge, but will come off the bench for Pops, for less money.

make a trade for a draft pick and get a shot a future stud PG in the top 10 of the draft. I really like parker and I think he would be an excellent get, but in my opinion he makes too much money for our team and I am worried we would have to give up LMA to get him. I know people here are down on LMA but we wouldnt be getting back equal value. Also LMA with Duncan would be one HELLUVA combo and man they would be tough to beat.

I think we should ride Andre and try and trade someone for a lottery unprotected pick next year.

are generally not ones’ that might fall into the “missing element” for your team. The value of a fragile TP is not a good investment unless you could get him cheaply.
    However, It could be considered further, that a guy like Parker may be another small step towards changing the identity of this team and not such a bad thing…. IMO. I think this team is further away from a championship that most would care to admit, so a progression to a more “traditional” identity could fit. Right now, we are still in a fight for the eighth seed IMO, the next level will require some more aggressive gambling…. The time line is a key factor and soaking for too long will only get you wrinkles.

he shoots 49% FG as a PG. sign him

Let the chips fall where they will

Parker is a far better than Miller, and younger than Miller, but he isn’t a good enough fit to give up LMA or Oden. Short of that, SA is not going to trade Tony Parker to us. I’d trade LMA or Oden in a package for Chris Paul, but he isn’t on the market. Otherwise, I can’t think of another PG in the league I’d trade either LMA or Oden to get.

I think our #1 trade/MLE priority should be to find SF/SG 6th man to backup Batum and Roy. But if we really wanted to go after our long-term starting PG this summer that would fit better with Roy we could go after Aaron Brooks. That would be slightly more realistic.

Offer Miller, Bayless, and Rudy to Houston
For Brooks and Jeffries (1 year contract).

That probably wouldn’t do it, but we could start talking from there. Then pick up Steve Blake as a backup 1/2 using a portion of the MLE to play a 3-guard rotation with Roy, Brooks, and Blake. That would solve our 3-pt shooting problems (Blake & Brooks), give us awesome speed in Brooks, and maximize Brandon’s game.