Apocalypse Now: The Kevin Pritchard Era Ends In Portland
The man who was so at ease in front of a crowd, so quick with a handshake, disappeared into the summer night without a word. Portland Trail Blazers General Manager Kevin Pritchard ended his tenure in Portland barely three years after it started, adding three young pieces to his organization's roster immediately after receiving word he wouldn't be allowed back tomorrow. Relieved of his duties on the most important day of his year, Pritchard walked out of his team's Practice Facility, with its secure entrance and heavily tinted windows, and that was that.
There would be no final words, there would be no public goodbye, the man celebrated and derided alike for his communication skills left in silence, letting his draft work speak for him.
***
The Portland Trail Blazers take the draft more seriously than just about every team in the NBA. They've invested in European scouts. They've hand-selected top directors. They've assembled a team of internationally-respected minds to break down statistical data. They travel thousands of miles to sports management conferences to swap best practices. They go above and beyond in working out players. They conduct thorough background checks and make an extra effort to get to know the people they are drafting.
And, in the end, after all that time and money, they did the unthinkable. They watched their owner sit down with their general manager. Alone. No advisers, no senior management, no intermediaries, no mediators. And they blew up the whole house. And then they decided, together, to try to make magic in the ruins.
***
As the clock passed 4 PM at the Portland Trail Blazers practice facility in Tualatin, the media room was bored. Expectations had plunged, a long night was ahead and a mountain of unfulfilled trade rumors bred a lot of skepticism. Plates of food were gulped down, newspaper pages were turned impatiently.
And then the news hit -- news that was expected, perhaps even within the next few days, but not now. Not now. Kevin Pritchard had been fired.
But, incredibly, he would still run the evening's draft. Had this ever happened before? This can't possibly have happened before.
Time waits for no man and neither does the draft clock. An emotional John Wall achieved his dream, beaming out from the flat screen monitors, but if you panned right, you saw Blazers employees, eyes locked on their Blackberries or on the ground, faces clenched in disbelief. "We knew it was coming," their faces said. "But not like this. Why did it have to be like this?"
***
The moment of realization, the minute that faces began to turn from confusion to acceptance, looked uncomfortably like Portland's loss to the Suns, when Nate McMillan threw out never-before-seen lineup combinations, digging into a bag of tricks and coming up empty. It was another identity crisis.
But this wasn't just a crisis of strategy and personnel. This was identity. "Who are we?" "What do we stand for?" "Is this how we treat people?" And, maybe... "Am I next?"
***
"The process that we've been going through for the last few months culminated today," Miller then repeated. "Kevin and Paul sat down and had a conversation and coming out of that conversation the agreement was made that it was time to part ways. I'm not going to get into the details about what transpired or why. But I would say the process itself took a lot of things into consideration and at the end of the day the decision was made that it was time to go a different direction."
He tried, with measured words and to no avail, to paint this process as ordinary rather than extraordinary. "The evaluation happens every year. This is not something that just happened this year. It was something that's happened in past years. This year, there were things in play or in effect that weren't in effect in other years. The decision -- this was not something that just happened this year. It's something that has happened every year since I've been here.... I just want to say also that the decision [to fire Pritchard] was not made before Paul got here today. The process was still going."
What was in play this year that hadn't been last year? What was in effect? Miller wouldn't say. He probably couldn't say, at least not directly or in this forum. He did say Pritchard was fired without cause and would receive his remaining salary. He said a search for Pritchard's replacement was underway but he had no specific timeline in place. He explained that Buchanan and Born would handle basketball operations in the interim.
He also said that the decision to include Pritchard in the draft process, incredibly, came by an agreement today between Pritchard and Allen. "All along, the idea has been that this process was going on and that Kevin was going to lead our draft. Today, after Paul and Kevin had the conversation that they had, Kevin wanted to, and Paul and the rest of us were ok with Kevin leading the draft."
Asked if firing Pritchard was Allen's decision alone, Miller hedged slightly but seemed to admit as much. "Ultimately this was something that senior management here has talked about and discussed, but in the end Paul and Kevin sat down and that was the culmination."
From there, with the basics covered, Miller swerved between charismatic and cringe-inducing.
He reached a high point by doing what he hasn't done very well in the recent past: acknowledging fan uneasiness with the decision to fire Pritchard. "This was a difficult decision not just for us, for the fans for sure. I would hope that the fans would trust that we're going to continue to make this organization better. Because that's what we're going to do. The goal, again, is to win a championship here and bring a championship to the city of Portland. That's been Paul's goal. That continues to be Paul's goal. Everything we do going forward will be focused on that."
He also tried to paint recent events as separate from past institutional failures. "We will make sure we maintain the things that we've been doing over the last few years, as far as making sure that we bring players in here that this community can be brought of. There's no way we're going to go back to any of the directions of the past. We're going to continue to be an organization that's striving to be the best organization it can possibly be." Only time will tell if fans will believe him.
Coach Nate McMillan came last and it was fitting, because he feels like the last man standing. Unlike draft night 2009, where he appeared slightly disappointed with the day's events, McMillan looked just about emotionless as he said exactly the right things. "Kevin and Mike and Chad did another great job. Luke, Armon and Elliot were all guys on our radar screen. Just to see the excitement in the draft room, like it's been since I've been here, you just had chills."
It was by far the most convincing job yet of painting the extraordinary as routine. It still wasn't very convincing.
McMillan's account made it seem as if the meeting between Pritchard and Allen had no impact on the night's proceedings. He recalled seeing the report about Pritchard's firing in the media during the draft but claimed not to have truly addressed the issue with Miller until after the draft was over.
However implausible that might be, McMillan seemed to grasp the bigger picture more readily than the other three; Perhaps the story here wasn't about tonight's crisis or the machinations over the past few months but rather about an end of a tenure, an end of an era. "Kevin and I over the last four years have become close friends. I have enjoyed working for him, I respect Kevin and what he has done for this organization, he helped transform not only the players but the organization. But what he's done for me, as far as drafting players and bringing in free agents. He has done that for me."
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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Good job Ben.
What a sad and strange day. Good luck in the future KP.
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
by doublezeroduck on Jun 25, 2010 2:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Situation sucks
But thanks for writing this as well as you did.
I write about basketball players with Ridiculous Upside. I know you'll love it.
by Scott Schroeder on Jun 25, 2010 2:24 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The only era that ended last night was this blog's as an objective source
for Blazer news.
Congrats Ben on becoming a new Canzano. This reads like you typed through man-sobs while trying to see the good in all this through your red-tinged eyes.
I will end this with something I never thought I had to write about you Ben…you disappoint me.
by Sad Face on Jun 25, 2010 2:25 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Lol, goodness gracious.
Calm down.
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
by doublezeroduck on Jun 25, 2010 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that was a terrible way to put it
but there is a kernel of truth in your mannish man-comment. The article does lack objectivity in places, with a few hyperbolic descriptors and characterizations that were probably unnecessary.
but it is well written, gives us a good sense of the atmosphere in the presser, and though emotive, still works as journalism to me, especially on a site for Blazer fans. And after all, we fans are kings and queens of hyperbolic descriptors and unnecessary characterizations. I think Ben is acknowledging the emotional nature of the day’s events, as well as voicing the frustrations of many fans, fans that include himself, for reasons he’s laid out exhaustively.
by Chadillac5000 on Jun 25, 2010 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think that Ben characterized the media's response to the day very well
They lost a valuable ally and a very popular GM, and no one knows if the next GM will be nearly as approachable or media-friendly. Even though the decision was the worst-kept secret since March, the timing of the announcement couldn’t have been worse from a PR perspective, but the Blazers didnt intend for the news to be leaked an hour before the draft began.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Then they shouldn't have fired him the day of the draft
they should have fired today …if that was the plan
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
the plan
appears to have been to fire him shortly after the draft—though it’s unclear whether it was intended to be the evening of draft day itself. Again, it wasn’t PA’s camp that leaked the firing.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
It can't be leaked....if PA hadn't told KP he was fired on the day of the draft
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
KP leaked it to someone. A little bit unprofessional IMO.
He’s done a great job and we don’t know the whole story. I do think the leak made him go down as a martyr and cranked up the ANGST factor.
KP will be fine.
I’d like to see the former Suns VP of operations come to Portland and am VERY HAPPY Mark W. will not be here.
If you believe Miller...
and I think there’s no reason not to. (No evidence he has lied thus far. He evades questions, but he doesn’t seem to lie.)
Then the decision to fire KP wasn’t made until right before the draft. If that’s true, while it may have been foolish from a PR standpoint, it was actually polite of Allen to let KP know before the draft and give him the opportunity to head out.
I don’t think Allen cares about PR or people’s feelings. But I don’t think he’s a bad guy or unfair either. The attempts to villainize him assume too much. I think KP/Laggarie spun this whole situation to make KP look like a martyr. Heck, we know Laggarie did as much with Penn. Why not assume the same thing happened here when the limited evidence points in that direction?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
they should have fired today …if that was the plan
Do you know where Paul Allen is today, because I sure don’t. He could be up at Mercer Island or half-way around the world
Perhaps Allen told KP that the decision was made yesterday, but asked KP not to share the news until later today? We simply don’t know. Paul could’ve decided to tell KP nothing yesterday and then had Larry Miller fire KP today, but he didn’t. He looked Kevin in the eye and told him, himself. Then the news was leaked before the draft. But not by Allen
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
What do you expect.
When a person you like having around is fired for reasons you dont know?
Oh wait im sorry, im sure you go something like this “oh well, i dont much care about the reasons why or when, imma robot.”
By the way, Ben is a fan first and a reporter second. If your so damn objective go start your own paper or blog.
by EbolaMuffins on Jun 25, 2010 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's an un-called for comment
Does this piece of writing cross into subjectivity at times? Yes. But since when does BEdge qualify for a hard-facts and hard-facts-only restriction? Could Ben have taken a completely objective approach? Sure. But instead he chose to write this from the view of what the vast majority of Blazers fans are feeling right now. Besides, BEdge has never been a completely “objective source.” Every night Dave’s here giving his opinion.
by thetsaiguy on Jun 25, 2010 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Objecti..what?!
BLAZERSEDGE: “Your best source for quality Portland Trail Blazers news, rumors, analysis, stats and scores from the fan perspective.”
The only objectivity owed readers here is that the statements presented be for fans and from a fan’s perspective.
THE END.
The Oregonian has a different mandate.
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by Y5k on Jun 25, 2010 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of tone deaf......
……this has to be one of the most tone deaf posts I have seen in a long while.
How can anyone spin this travesty objectively? If you are one of the after-the-fact, KP second guessers, then you are as far from objective as Fox News.
What Paul Allen did was unfair to Kevin Pritchard. It endangers the team’s dramatic improvement on the court. It added to the lengthy indictment of Paul Allen’s savvy as a business owner. It seriously damaged the organizations connection to its fan base. Above all, it clearly demonstrated Paul Allen’s utter disregard for fair play and community sentiment.
I have never met the man, but this incident certainly cemented an image of him as a shallow, petty, bully at the helm of an organization that is central to the identity of this city and this state. It leaves my with a huge pain in my belly. The team I love is owned and ruled by a man I find very hard to respect. As fans we may need Paul Allen’s money, but I am not going to lick his boots or kiss his behind.
by upper left corner on Jun 25, 2010 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
its a fan page, and doesn't need to be objective
Blazer fan page
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't argue that, for Ben can write subjective columns instead of journalistic articles if he ...
so chooses to go that route. There’s nevertheless a definite difference between those two styles of sportswriting, which is my point here.
both are great.
And there is a clear line between the two. Ben makes it clear which he is doing all the tie.
I never confuse one with the other with this site, unlike other “news” outlets that are more like political spin machines.
facebook.com/year5000
Yeah, I don't mind the mixture of the two styles. Now, I might argue that Ben is a bit ...
excessive in his harsh lambasting of Larry Miller — who seems to be nothing more than a garden-variety company man who wears an empty suit — but maybe I’m entirely wrong about that.
but maybe I’m entirely wrong about that.
Please keep this in mind in every single post you do. Thanks AK. – Elgin
GOP in HD
sigh
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
What self-respecting individual doesn't think they're more often right ...
than wrong? I own up to my mistakes, for which there are some here and there; however, that doesn’t shake my overall self-confidence.
In fact, it’d be a negative quality for anyone to doubt themselves too much on things. It’s smart to show humilty — as well as understand one’s own flaws and shortcomings — but being an indecisive individual who always questions his or her self goes too far in the other direction.
As with everything in life, there’s a happy medium. Now that’s wisdom for y’all.
by AK1984 on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
I really don’t get what some folks find so upsetting about you.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I love ya Elgin
But I think AK doesn’t have a problem saying he’s wrong. That’s humility, I think.
He can be very sure that he is right but usually he’ll admit it’s just his opinion.
Unless I missed something, why everyone mad at ol’ AK?
M—
#52
I think the word Elgin was looking for was Humanity
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't argue with that
AK is an inhuman monster.
BUT HE’S NOT SO BAD ONCE YA GET TO KNOW HIM.
—M
#52
Ultimately, I'm a bit brash for some folks' taste. That's okay, though.
Oddly enough, that might’ve been one of the same character flaws that led Kevin Pritchard’s downfall.
Here's how to be objective:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/6/24/1535821/draft-day-analysis
Nuanced and meaty.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
There are some times I REALLY wish there was an Unrec button.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Jun 25, 2010 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
There's truth to this
But Dave continues to be the voice of moderation. In fairness to Ben, the facts seem to be here, though openly coming with a specific viewpoint.
You can be subjective and a great journalist.
Hunter S. Thompson.
his lies were more true than most of the “facts” he covered.
That said, better to remain as objective as possible unless you know readers know you are being openly subjective.
The key is to never lie to your reader.
But we all know that.
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I was never high on Gonzo journalism, but that had more to do with Hunter S. Thompson's ...
long-winded writing style and tendency to ramble far off topic. Except for Thompson’s occasional colums at ESPN.com way back in the day — which were hit and miss — I passed on reading his work.
Yeah being long winded does suck
Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 25, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I recognize my apparent hypocrisy here.
My writing isn’t all flowery like Hunter S. Thompson’s style, though, nor am I as disjointed when ranting about something. All in all, there’s differences.
You should just one time do one of your long winded rants while tripping on mescaline and shrooms
bet that it wouldn’t do wonders for the rant’s jointedness.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
No hypocrisy I can see.
Your posts are always well-written and direct. You make your points and move on. The implication that you are long-winded is another misplaced, mysterious, and unfounded criticism of you.
I don’t get why some posters are ripping Ben either. Haters gotta hate, I guess…
by MiledAnimal on Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a bit too harsh on Ben sometimes, but he did get a lot of undue flack here.
Ben’s piece here isn’t objective, sure. And yes, Ben’s best work are his subjective news articles that always hit the mark. The guy likes to mix it up, though, which is his choice, although I often take the opinion pieces with a grain of salt.
LOL
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily agree with this take on it
But I do think that this post was more than just a bit hyperbolic and had too much supposition based on facial expressions and what people want to believe about the situation.
I’m not looking for 100% objectivity but I’d love to get a view of what was going on tonight at Blazers HQ without getting slammed in the face every other sentence about how much of a blow to the organization this is. Seemingly a good story that was just a bit overwritten.
Nothing wrong...
with being literate.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 25, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I'm a Greg Oden honk, yeah.
Even when I was still a Sonic fan, I liked Oden more than Kevin Durant.
by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT
by Tyler Durrden on Jun 25, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
A very colorful and well written portrayal of what went down, but certainly a very biased one.
Perhaps Ben has different opinions about the journalistic standards that should be upheld on a blog, even for an audience of Blazer fanatics. I would like to see more objective reporting on matters as complex as this.
This has been an uncomfortable series of events for the Blazers organization, and it has produced some very uncomfortable writing from Ben. Surely the reporting should reflect the instability within the organization, rather than the disconnect between the writer’s preferences and those of Paul Allen and Larry Miller.
by HeathBlizzard on Jun 25, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
This made me laugh
I will end this with something I never thought I had to write about you Ben…you disappoint me.
Just a bit much there slugger
Gotta say, Joey Crawford recognizes the importance of having a big 3rd quarter. He always brings it after halftime. - J.A. Adande
by blazeraddict on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
+92
Ten times as much hyperbole in just that one sentence
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
pretty much
Ben’s even got the Canzano writing style down, complete with emotional appeals pulled out of nowhere, and scare paragraphs made up of one sentence.
It’s a little sad that Ben’s stooped to this level.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
Not exactly how I would word it, but I agree with the sentiment
For the first time since I started reading BE, I have found this site to be unbearable. Since the announcement of KP’s firing, comments have been hostile and abusive toward those who don’t view this situation as a catastrophe. I think people feel justified in that approach, based on the strong position Ben has taken on this issue.
I was really looking forward to spending time on BE discussing the draft, learning about our new guys, and speculating on summer trades. Apparently that’s going to have to wait. I think I’ll take a few days away and see if things have calmed down by then. It’s going to be difficult. I check this site multiple times a day, and there’s no source for Blazer news anywhere near as good.
I hope the mourning and finger pointing goes well while I’m away.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
what I don't understand about your point Dan
is that, just below this post is another post that is just about the draft picks, and a wonderful discussion of them and the trade Portland has made. If that is truely what fans on blazersedge wanted to see this morning, then they have that ability to read it over this post.
Dave and Ben have never said they are objective, both are avid fans of the Blazers, as we all are. Fanatic’s about the team we love, there can be very little objectivity because of that fandom. If we are going to look for objectivity we have to get out of the Portland fish bowl and look at the opinions of other fans from around the league, everything from Portland is biased in some way shape or form by the Blazers, their Fans, or the media.
Ben II Blazersedge.com || New to Blazers' Edge?
Yes but...
…one of you is much more objective than the other.
I appreciate the passion and commitment this article shows, but it comes across to me as somewhat over the top.
I am grateful for the work you do and the reporting of games, practices, rumors, etc, is outstanding but your coverage of the whole KP scenario has really turned me off. Having said my piece I think I’ll skip over any more KP pieces written on this site. Maybe skip out on blazers news for awhile…
Just to be clear,
my name is Ben, but I am not the Ben. :)
Ben II Blazersedge.com || New to Blazers' Edge?
If you ever thought that a Blog was or should be doing a Paper's job
You obviously don’t understand the world in it’s entirety.
[insert witty nomenclature and/or out of context quote from someone that makes more money than I]
by HallelujahHoeDown on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
no words
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a blogger, not a journalist.
And writing what is the journalistic equivalent to an opinion piece does nothing to detract from Ben’s credibility.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
it diminishes his journalistic credibility
which, if you want to strictly write opinion pieces, is admittedly not necessary to your job. Even Canzano will insist that he’s a columnist, not a journalist. Still, given the way that Ben’s worn his bias on his sleeve since March, I can’t read his writing anymore without looking for the bias. Which is a shame, because a lot of his work in the past has been top-notch, both informative and objective. Oh well.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
I understand what you're saying, but I think I still disagree with you.
If there’s a journalist I respect who writes an opinion piece Tuesday and a solid journalistic piece Wednesday, I’m not going to look at Wednesday’s article with a gimlet eye because of Tuesda’s column. The credibility that the journalist has built up with me leads me to give him/her the benefit of the doubt. I think it’s possible to wear the two hats equally well.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Very nice!
Thank you for writing this!
In Bayless I trust.
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by staylost on Jun 25, 2010 2:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel like a pretty major tool for admitting this...
…but at this point, after all the hand-wringing and speculation and uncertainty and angst, I’m just glad it’s over.
Blazers fans, we just endured a helluva roller-coaster season. And frankly this KP drama was like stepping off the coaster, wobbling slightly down the exit ramp while desperately attempting to regain equilibrium, and inadvertently stumbling onto the main floor of the Tilt-a-Whirl. Enough, please. Have mercy on us. I just want to get a freakin elephant ear and go home, maybe puke, and then fall asleep watching Ferris Bueller or something. Is that so much to ask?
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
by rivetz on Jun 25, 2010 2:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I just want to know what really happened. The MSP has been fascinating so far this morning. – Elgin
GOP in HD
True, I'd love to get a straightforward, unbiased story -- without any spin -- on how this all unfolded.
I’m not sure we’ll get it, though.
not from Ben, anyhow
maybe we can chip in and send Dave on a weekend trip to poke around the practice facility.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
What's your beef with Ben?
He is writing what he felt and what he saw as a Blazer fan
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
that's fine, as that's Ben's perogative
but that’s also why I wouldn’t send a guy who writes from a fan’s perspective to give us the straightforward, uhnbiased story that AK and I are hoping for.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
There is no
“straightforward, unbiased story”
That’s Paul Allen’s choice and his consequences.
We can only read the tea leaves and respond subjectively.
this is what people mean by the death of journalism
There is obviously a dearth of public information—that is why AK and I are wishing (in vain, most likely) for someone to do some investigative journalism and report what they heard. I would even accept a bullet list of well-sourced rumors that are corroborated by more than one person. That would be more informative, to me, then another Canzanoesque obituary for the dear departed Pritchard.
Nixon tried to keep things under wraps, but Watergate broke anyway. The truth has a way of leaking out, if someone really wants to find it. But for now I guess I’m just stuck hoping and waiting.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
I don't necessarily expect Ben to write an objective piece on this topic, although I'd ...
like to see it somewhere. Yet, I don’t think that forum exists, as nobody with the access to Paul Allen, Larry Miller, and/or Kevin Pritchard would spill the beans to a journalist, who’d then publish such a story.
Wow... Great article Ben.
I’m a whole lotta confused about the whole situation, but now there’s a little more explanation of the Miller interview for those of us that didn’t get to hear it, I think it’s a little bit less ‘evil’ than was originally made out.
Make no mistake, Miller is still the fall guy for Allen, and was put in a situation that he wasn’t the best fit in. And he handled it poorly, but tried his best to do the right thing. From my perspective, anyways.
Good luck to Kevin Pritchard. I hope that wherever his journey takes him, he is successful. And of course, I’m still rooting for the Blazers, no matter what crazy journey we’re on.
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Jun 25, 2010 2:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks KP for turning this team around!
Its still very eerie why everything is being kept a secret.
by ODEN on a stick on Jun 25, 2010 2:30 AM PDT reply actions
Uhm.
You do see the hypocrisy here, right?
“Mrs. Lincoln, wipe up that blood and come over here. I have a hilarious joke to tell you. "
Did you really just try to make a joke by comparing this to an assassination and think it wasn’t as bad as Larry Miller’s joke/big smile?
Ben, thank you for your account of the situation in Tualatin
I am grateful that we had access to what you saw. Your support for Pritchard is clear and it looks like you put a lot into writing this. Very strongly stated.
One point of clarification: was Pritchard or someone in Pritchard’s camp the initial source of the report that he was fired? Maybe I missed that part in your narrative….
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
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Who leaked it seems less relavent
if the firing actually happened just before the draft. I was also a little surprised when the narrative started to form that KP had been fired well before the draft but chose to leak it just before the draft for his own personal reasons. I am really curious what other folks think; does it matter who leaked it if it happened an hour before the draft?
According to Quick
(You should never start a sentence like that ^ unless it’s a joke)
KP was told earlier in the day and 2 people from inside KP’s circle told Quick an hour before the draft
hrm..
that is not what I read, or heard on the radio. J. Quick reported that KP was told he would serve his last day as the GM about an hour before the draft, is what I heard.
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Dave's primary point
was that being unprofessional, not the firing itself, is the main culprit; one if not the only point about KP not being professional was that the story leaked from his camp. Excepting Dave and now Jason Quick, I don’t get that point strongly from national media sources.
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Something very strange is going on
I really hope there was a very solid reason that KP was fired. I want FACTS!
by TheDayTheBlazersBuriedtheLakers. on Jun 25, 2010 2:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
there's an awful lot of hyperbole here
but it’s well written. thanks, ben.
i want closure in this situation, but that probably won’t happen until either allen or pritchard come clean about what happened. sadly, i don’t think that will ever happen. the worst part about all this isn’t KP getting fired. it isn’t Allen and the franchise taking a huge PR hit.
it’s the blazer roster that is currently heading straight into an important few weeks of free agency and trade period—- that can significantly affect its future success—- essentially rudderless.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
Ben--Do you think we'll ever learn what actually led to KP's firing?
BTW, note that, even in praising KP, Miller couldn’t help insisting that KP only changed the Blazers as part of a TEAM (including Larry Miller, of course).
It seems clear to me—and has all along—that Larry Miller shared (at least to some degree) Paul Allen’s jealousy & resentment towards the Blazers’ golden boy. I have to suspect that Larry Miller helped fuel the fire of Allen’s anger towards KP. At the least, I seriously doubt that Miller made any attempt to douse it.
Gad, what a dysfunctional group the Blazers’ brass appear to be—the hot-tempered, insecure rich-boy owner surrounded by his smarmy yes-men. Ughh! This team is in serious trouble going forward. I don’t think there’s any question about that anymore.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
by hurryup09 on Jun 25, 2010 2:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ummmm...KP DID change the Blazers as part of a team
Did not Brandon Roy also help change the culture of the team?
Nate McMillan?
Doesn’t the team have an army of scouts and analysts to help with the draft?
Who cuts the checks to move up and down in the draft, and gives final authority?
Which GM got rid of ’Sheed, Bonzi, Patterson, Anderson, et. al.?
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Which GM got rid of ’Sheed, Bonzi, Patterson, Anderson, et. al.?
Steve Patterson and John Nash
but in Blazer lore, KP alone will be credited for cleaning the house and restoring the brand
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
What about .....
…..Zbo, Miles and Bassy??
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Bassy was traded while Patterson was the GM. Miles basically sat out his last two years here, then was handled badly.
ZBo was given away by agreeing to take on a HUGE salary commitment, which is as much Paul Allen as anyone.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Hmm...
The Blazers and PA saved about $30 million in that trade.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't clear in what I was saying
Bassy, Miles and Zbo also belong to Nash and Patterson….but in a different way. They either drafted them or signed them to huge albatross extentions
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
That's true and a good point 92.
I will also say KP signed LMA to a huge albatross extention. I say that liking LMA more than the over fan here.
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't have any idea if LMA contract is out of bounds....and we won't for a few years
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Miles actually belongs to PA
if media reports are to be trusted….
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 25, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Zbo, Miles and Bassy??
I’m definitely not saying that PatterNash were superior to KP as execs, just that they did a lot of the dirty work re: the Jail Blazer era that KP’s been given credit for
and I don’t expect that will change, due to Kevin’s now legendary status among the fans and media
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Larry Miller is nothing more than a smarmy "yes" man.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
That is totally uncalled for.
Larry Miller’s job is to sell t-shirts, manage the staff, and sign the paychecks. He may be great at his job, he may not. His job is most certainly not to slander his boss in public.
I’m not sure what he could do to not be a “yes man,” since I have no idea what that implies.
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Uncalled for? We'll have to agree to disagree.
He was the one who sent the asinine Miles e-mail, whatever the degree of Allen’s interference. He’s the one who continues to make no progress on the Comcast negotiations. He’s the one who played a part in orchestrating KP’s humiliation and dismissal. He either has no principles and thus does whatever Allen tells him or is too big a coward to stand by his principles. Either way, “yes” man applies.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
He was the one who sent the asinine Miles e-mail, whatever the degree of Allen’s interference.
Are you sure it was him?
He’s the one who continues to make no progress on the Comcast negotiations.
The Blazers aren’t negotiating with Comcast any more – they’ve already made their money from Comcast.
He’s the one who played a part in orchestrating KP’s humiliation and dismissal.
There is a lot we don’t know about that, including the level of Miller’s involvement in KP’s “humiliation” and dismissal. – Elgin
GOP in HD
Great piece, Ben
I know it was a horrible day for you. Thanks for working so hard on your point of view of the day.
Keep Portland Weird.
one horse town
This is how you know Portland is a small, small market. The Cavs fire both coach Mike Brown and their GM Danny Ferry and in Cleveland it receives barely a blip. This after posting the best record in the league. That’s because they have baseball in full swing and spring pro football for the sportswriters to keep busy. But here, in Portland? We have a lame duck AAA team and… nothing. So let the speculation begin!!! My point: in two years if we are back in the lottery I’ll start complaining. But right now? I see it as simply a Billionaire businessman rearranging his Millionaire management team. People are let go everywhere, everyday and we don’t know the whole story, nor care to. But in Portland’s sports world that’s not enough. We need to be in on the decision-making, even if we don’t know all the facts. It’s what makes our fan base so great, and so annoying.
You're right, it is simple
A billionaire businessman making business personal. The whole story might not be clear, but reading pages and pages between the lines is more than enough evidence to clarify that this was a bad business decision motivated by jealousy. If there was a legitimate reason to fire Pritchard, we would have know it by now because the vulcans (no longer a proper name) would have already used it to their advantage. The timing of paul allen’s decision to fire Kevin Pritchard (emphasis on capital K and P) is further evidence of how personal this decision was and how oblivious pa is to media attention. This allowed ESPN’s draft analysts to chime in with daming commentary about the news to as wide an audience as KP fans could have hoped to reach on such a day. However, the ESPN crew failed to address the Blazers owner directly, probably for fear of receiving a hand-delivered fine from pa’s half-brother, and fellow thug, David Stern.
Ben, thanks for your honest take on the the KP affair. In this case, reason trumps objectivity beyond a doubt. In one sense you WERE being objective because what you laid out was “perceptible to all observers”, true Blazers fans. Those who see KP’s departure as “simply a Billionaire businessman rearranging his Millionaire management team” should stop posing as Blazers fans and start looking at themselves in the mirror.
In KP we trusted, and would trust again…
Your comment misses the point both on the basketball court and in terms of what the team means to the city.
I have read a lot of posts of a similar ilk. They all seem to suggest that many are over-reacting and that it doesn’t matter that much who is the GM. I think such comments badly miss the point:
1) On the court: Those of us who have been raised on the Blazers have come to recognize that there is a very close connection between the person making personnel decisions and the team on the floor. We have lived through Inman, Buckwalter, Petrie, Whitsitt, Nash, Pritchard and the rest. We know that the preferences, personality, and savvy of the guy bringing in the players matters at least as much as the coach on the bench.
KP has not been perfect. No human ever is. However, he has proven himself to be a very skilled evaluator of talent, a very shrewd draft strategist, and a leader capable of both dramatic moves and patience when the right move is not available. It is a rare combination of talent. It is possible that PA can hire another GM of equal or greater talent, but it is far from certain, and that lack of certainty carries great risk for the team and a fan base longing for another Championship.
2) The team’s relationship to the community: For many of us who grew up loving this team and listening to Schonely on our transistor radios under the covers in bed at night, KP’s firing feels personal.
For us, the “Jail Blazer era” was excruciatingly painful. We lost respect for something we had once loved. More than anyone else, KP restored our relationship to “our team.” I don’t know KP personally, but I feel like I do. Seeing him treated like dog poop, after he has done so much to restore “our love for our team,” is almost as bad as watching the Jail Blazers embarrass our city. It is also a painful reminder that this isn’t really “our team” at all. This team belongs to PA, and he has clearly demonstrated that he doesn’t care what the fan’s think.
I appreciate PA’s ability and willingness to spend money on his team. I certainly prefer having an owner like that to having one who doesn’t care about winning or who can’t afford to compete. However, I do not trust or respect PA’s judgement. I have never met him, but he comes across as a spoiled brat almost utterly lacking in emotional intelligence or business savvy.
I will continue to root for Portland’s team and for this group of players, but I will do so with a greater sense of ambivalence and a definite mistrust of our owner. As some one who has rooted for this team from day one, this is a sad day that I will not soon forget.
Thank you, KP. You deserved far better. Good luck, wherever you land.
by upper left corner on Jun 25, 2010 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
I don't always agree with you, ULC
but in this case you articulated my feelings exactly. Thanks. Rec for you.
Agreed
I will continue to root for Portland’s team and for this group of players, but I will do so with a greater sense of ambivalence and a definite mistrust of our owner. As some one who has rooted for this team from day one, this is a sad day that I will not soon forget.
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I've heard that at least one luxury suite license was cancelled, after yesterday's news
it will be interesting to see if any of the local writers keeps track of how many season tickets are not renewed based on the owner’s decision to fire KP
My suspicion is that when November rolls around, these people (or others) will be buying back in
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I can only speak for myself,
I will still watch and love my team, but I will not renew my seats and put $ into an organization which showed last night that it has NO CLASS!!
I Keep hearing Rudy from fat albert in my head today. NO CLASS !!
Til the wheels fall off.... Marcus Camby
Go Blazers !!
I think that KP's manager is the one who leaked the news to the media.
Why not give Paul Allen the benefit of the doubt?
Maybe he wanted to let KP decide whether or not KP wanted to proceed and participate in the draft.
The news was supposed to come out later.
As it stands, “someone” leaked the news to the media and KP comes out looking like a martyr.
I think there is a TON none of us know about what went into the decision to fire KP.
And I think it has become an unnecessary media circus; in part due to KP’s manager. KP is not entirely innocent here…he HIRED the guy!!!!
I am just happy to hear the Blazers aren’t hiring that goof ball from Denver..Mark W.
And hope they hire the ex Suns VP of operations.
Rec
Nice post
Speaking of cruel, Portland fired GM Kevin Pritchard an hour before the draft. Hey, he's only a top-seven GM -- there are plenty of those. Does anyone else think Al Davis died a year ago and took over Paul Allen's body? - Bill Simmons
by blazeraddict on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Brown & Ferry getting fired in Cleveland
Doesn’t get much press because of a certain UFA.
If B. Roy & LA were UFA’s and Jalen Rose was telling everyone they were leaving the KP story wouldn’t get as much press.
And we have the Timbers. Just kidding, I hate soccer
Thanks for your hard work, Ben.
This has been a crazy chapter even for a franchise that is no stranger to silliness.
Since I have no idea why KP was fired, I can only hope that Paul Allen and Friends aren’t complete idiots and that we are able to find another good, smart, strong GM who embraces New-Wave stats and scouting methods… and not just some lame retread happy to cash a paycheck and do whatever the Vulcans tell him to do.
I dread the thought of another suit like Steve Patterson.
A few months ago, who woulda’ predicted this chain of events? Strange how quickly things can change.
Thanks for bringing the story to us, Ben.
Mortimer
#52
I doubt there'll be "another suit like Steve Patterson," since the team president role is already sewn ...
up with Larry Miller. My fear, however, is that a failed retread will be brought in at GM like Bernie Bickerstaff, which’d go to show how much pull Nate McMillan has with the guys at Vulcan, Inc.
I must admit, though, that Miller running down Mark Warkentien surprised me. If anything, I could see Allen being upset by that uncalled for comment — as it seems odd that Miller would be the one to publically rule out a candidate — and that may lead the former Nike executive down path of an eventual firing here.
Then again, my fear there would be that Tod Leiweke would just hire “another suit” to be the team president here — such as current NBA League Office Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Stu Jackson, who Leiweke worked with in Vancouver when the Grizzlies were owned by Orca Bay Sports & Entertainment — which’d be a pointless change. Yet, I highly doubt that Leiweke will ever fill the shoes of team president or GM again, even if it were in an interim role; he’s got a nice enough gig in Seattle as CEO of Vulcan Sports & Entertainment.
Miller running down Mark Warkentien surprised me. If anything, I could see Allen being upset by that uncalled for comment — as it seems odd that Miller would be the one to publically rule out a candidate — and that may lead the former Nike executive down path of an eventual firing here.
Unless this directive came from HQ up in Seattle
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Give L. Miller a little credit
he wouldn’t hash on Warkentien unless he knew PA shared his sentiments. Warkentien’s role in all this appears to be exactly the kind of behavior that Allen abhors – bush league politics
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 25, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a possibility, although I envision Paul Allen getting stuck with a third-rate GM at this ...
juncture. In fact, the worst thing the guys at Vulcan, Inc. may’ve done was vehemently upset Kevin Pritchard and Tom Penn’s fairly powerful agent; he could theoretically blackball the Portland Trail Blazers from his clients, although that’s a worst-case scenario here.
the kind of behavior that Allen abhors – bush league politics
I’m not sure that we know how PA really feels about bush-league politics, he just doesn’t like agents trying to bilk him out of overpaying his employees
As far as Wark not being a target, Paul and the Vulcans have their reasons why they don’t want to bring him back. I don’t think the fact that fans would be upset because they heard that Wark was A-Woj’s “sole source of smut” about KP is one of the main criteria, but you never know. Regardless, the decision to “look elsewhere” for a GM will save the front office from yet another wave of negative PR. I just hope they find an experienced exec to replace Kevin, and soon. (I really don’t care if he’s as young and stat-savvy as KP, because it’s always possible to hire assistants to do that analysis)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I should have said "apparently" abhors
because I think we have enough evidence (such as Patterson’s recent interview; Canzano’s interviews back in 09, other sources) that KP was guilty of office politics and posturing with other teams. Considering Warkentien engaged in the same sort of behavior, it stands to reason that this PA-lead management team would emphatically not support Warkentien.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That's one way of looking at it
but Larry and Paul may have other reasons why they aren’t interested in Mark. I’m not sure who Wark’s agent is, for example. Or maybe MW and the Vulcans aren’t really as cozy as we think? Since he was a former employee, the Blazers already know enough about him to reject Wark as a candidate
IF Blazer fans want to think it was only because of A-Woj’s columns I suppose that’s how the story will remain in Blazer lore. I’m ready to move on and find out who they’re really interested in, not wonder who they’ve discussed and dismissed as candidates
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Patterson's suit-ness is currently being refuted on the MSP
Very interesting insights. You should download the podcast when it become available. – Elgin
GOP in HD
Only heard snippets
…need a re-cap. Heard the part where Patterson said he was the one on the phone making the deals with Minni,Chicago and Boston for the Roy/Aldrich picks.
Also, he implied the Sergio pick was all KP.
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
No, he said that
both KP and he recommended NOT buying the Sergio pick but PA overruled them. Then KP made the call.
Steve
was on 1080 the fan last night during the draft, was had a lot of great insight as well. I’m learning more that he some of the things he did as the Blazers Pres, he was doing because he was told to. Like the imfamous half time press confrence where he called Canzano names.
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I'm surprised he had to be told to do that
I already do it for free.
Man, wouldn’t that be the dream job? Six figures from PA just to make fun of Canzano.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
by abdelnaby on Jun 25, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha!
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
WOW.
“…To Kevin Pritchard’s credit, he turned in a typically solid draft-day performance, trading up to No. 16 to grab Nevada’s Luke Babbit and picking up Memphis guard Elliot Williams at No. 22.
He’s a better man than I am— if I were put in his situation, I would have traded Nicolas Batum to the Lakers for a second-round pick, traded LaMarcus Aldridge straight up for Eddy Curry, and offered the Wizards Brandon Roy and the next five unprotected first-round picks for the chance to have Gilbert Arenas’ contract taken off their hands.
The truth of the matter is that if Pritchard had actually done that, had sabotaged his finely-crafted team as a parting shot to Paul Allen and his Vulcan advisors, nobody in Portland would have held it against him. That’s how low an opinion the public here has of the Blazers’ ownership right now. And justifiably so…."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/411176-nba-draft-grades-blazers-ownership-gets-an-f
Keep Portland Weird.
I would most definately have held it against him.
but of course they were undoubtedly safeguards in place that would have prevented that kind of thing from happening.
And KP would never work in the NBA again, so that would be a dumb move on his part.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
i'm pretty sure the owner has to sign off on deals
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
draft Kevin Seraphin
by thomasikehara on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand this, either. KP was easily best thing happened to the Blazers in the last ten years and a top 5 GM in the league. He put together a young core as well as any other GM could and was mostly spot-on with moves. Really confusing.
?
easily best thing happened to the Blazers in the last ten years
talk about hyperbole…
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Hardly
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
KP begat Roy
unless to you listen to Patterson
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
the truth is almost undoubtedly somewhere in between
the Blazers had a number of people in that draft room. Gobs more helped evaluate and scout all the available talent. I find it much easier to believe that the collected minds in the room all came together, targetted Roy, figured out how to get him, made various calls, threw money into the deal, etc rather than everyone else was staring at the wall dumbfounded while KP held 3 phones to his ear simultaneously and was planning everything 8 steps ahead of everyone in the room.
Honestly, the media from day 1 built up this mythos of him as some sort of savant that was doing this all in his own. That perception was allowed to linger for 4 years with little or no refutation from anyone, and has now taken on legendary status.
KP was a very good GM. I will miss him. He wasn’t perfect, and he didn’t do all those moves by himself.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Doesn't matter who got him...
I was saying I thought Brandon Roy was the best thing to happen to this team in 10 years. I enjoy watching him play. I like watching the games more than following front office moves.
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
If KP was primarilly responsible for Roy being here....
…doesn’t it hold that KP may have been just as important??
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
"primarily responsible"
you know that for a fact how exactly?
What we know is that he was part of the draft room team that acquired Roy. Was he 70% responsible? 50%, 30%, 20%? We don’t know.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Selecting Roy was liekly a team decision
By your logic, the scouts who reccomended him are just as important.
Was whomever the Hornet’s GM was when Chris Paul was drafted the best thing to happen to Hornets in the last ten years?
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Paul Allen was responsible
That’s about the only thing we can say with absolute certainty. But for Paul Allen’s money, we wouldn’t have Roy or a team. Beyond that, we just don’t know who did what.
Surely KP was involved. And there’s a good chance he was the main architect. But we don’t know.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
kp wasnt the gm till 07
just throwing that out there
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
draft Kevin Seraphin
by thomasikehara on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Both Cheeks and Nash were fired and Patterson was a lame duck on his way out
and even though KP was the assistant GM he was running the show when it came to the draft.
Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 25, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Revisionists might be trying to change the timeline
But we Blazer fans who followed stuff here at BE and The Oregonian had read before the draft how KP was in charge of the draft and directly after and during he was getting credit for the moves we were making.
And we weren’t even sure if it was a good thing, as evidenced by Dave’s skeptical analysis of the draft day’s events in 2006. What looked like flailing from the POV of fans who follow a dumb franchise was actually what would become the standard KP draft day of wheeling and dealing.
Nash and Patterson got rid of Bonzo (kinda had to), let Damon go, traded Sheed… but they were all moves they kinda had to make. It wasn’t a big trick to trade Bonzi for Wesley Person, let Damon go for nothing, and get crappy Shareef and Theo Ratliff. And then they ignored the stupid 25 point pledge and go and sign Z-Bo to a monstrous deal, and Darius. AND lazy Theo.
I don’t get the swell of support that suits like Patterson are getting, and giving them credit for turning the team around. The only credit they appear to deserve is that we needed a fall guy to not be good at his job but get rid of the rotten apples while we wait for a real GM to come along.
Nash and Patterson almost blew that by their bad contracts and awful draft picks.
KP cleaned up their mess more than they cleaned up the Jail Blazer’s mess.
Mortimer
#52
not to be a conspiracy theorist here
but one of the knocks against KP was that he or his inner circle leaked a lot of stuff to the media—look no further than yesterday for proof of such. So in hindsight, I am now more carefully scrutinizing statements like the fans, “had read before the draft how KP was in charge of the draft and directly after and during he was getting credit for the moves we were making.”
Not saying that I know that KP took too much credit, or that Patterson isn’t just taking the opportunity to boost his own resume right now. Just saying that things are more complicated than that.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
Sure, and his relationship with the media (how much they loved him)
Ensured that his POV could always get out there.
But there were quotes from Paul Allen saying KP was in charge of the draft, about his “golden gut” the year afterwards, that sort of thing.
And Patterson definitely didn’t try to say the moves were “his” like he is now, pathetically the day after KP is fired. Nothing in Patterson’s past suggests those sort of moves are in his repertoire. The timing and how nothing supports his claims makes me think Patterson is trying to repair his reputation as a father’s boy suit who didn’t deserve the job.
KP and his team deserve lots of credit, and at least in interviews he’d always bring up Chad Buchanan and Chad Born and others… plus Paul Allen. It ain’t like he’d go out and say “me me me”. Perhaps he did it behind closed doors; it wouldn’t be the first smart guy to have an ego about his smarts.
I think there’s a reason that friends and former co-workers of KP speak so highly of him, and no one gives two craps about Steve Patterson.
Mortimer
#52
by Mortimer on Jun 25, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOW WOW
Portland Trail Blazers: In the weirdest draft in the history of professional basketball, just-fired GM Kevin Pritchard managed to parlay Martell Webster (a small forward lost on Portland’s deep roster) into Luke Babbitt, a young potential stud at the same position, clearing a bit of salary in the process. With the final move of Pritchard’s Portland career, the Blazers took Nevada point guard Armon Johnson in the second round. Johnson has lots of competition for a roster spot but has the talent to win a job. Final Grade: A for Pritchard, F- for Paul Allen.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/24/2010-nba-draft-grades/
Keep Portland Weird.
by Broy_07 on Jun 25, 2010 4:50 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Wow Wow Wow.
wow wow wow wow wow.
Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 25, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Paul Allen — YOU SUCK!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 25, 2010 5:31 AM PDT reply actions 15 recs
hi Timbo
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Hi. And I am disappointed that this didn't go green in 2 minutes flat...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I did my part
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
It probably will eventually
but there’s a lot of greened-up catcalls directed PA’s way already.
You’re too late. :)
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
the Travelogue with you and your Master was a lot of fun...
…and included some Bulletin Board Material for Canis Hoopis
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha ha, I'm still on the road...
It’s mostly all history gunk right now, but I start driving home on Sunday…
http://bingobilly.wordpress.com/
And yes, Minnesota does really, really suck.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I hope that idiot gets booed out of the Rose Garden at the home opener
and leaves in tears with Larry Miller behind him
Gotta say, Joey Crawford recognizes the importance of having a big 3rd quarter. He always brings it after halftime. - J.A. Adande
by blazeraddict on Jun 25, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I expect this story and most of the fans furor will die down by that point in time, so no pandemonium.
Rose Garden crowds are different
ex-players cheered or never forgiven. There can’t be the same furor, obviously, as the shock will have worn off, but plenty of the same disgust.
I’ll be happy to Ke-Vin Prit-Chard Clap clap clap clap clap at first opportunity
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Me three.
That is AWESOME. Could you imagine?? What if we took Simmons’ idea and got everybody who’s planning on attending opening night from BE to sign up for a twitter that we all followed and then could coordinate the chant? Ooooh. The looks on Leinweke and Allen’s faces would be priceless.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I KNEW this would bring you out of your hidey-hole.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It even had me paying Motel 6 $3.18 for 24 hours of internet access...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Ben...
You raised your game with this one. Outstanding.
"He's not your Vydas or my Vydas, he's Arvydas."
by Petro4Three on Jun 25, 2010 5:34 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Say More with Less
Seriously.
This really isn’t THAT big a of a deal. Equating it with the assassination of a human being?
Revolting.
And even though I know it’s not exactly the same situation, Bob Whitsitt drafted Travis Outlaw after he “resigned” (or forced out, or fired, however you want to spin it) as GM. It’s not unprecedented.
but that happened
back when internet chat and sports talk radio were in their infancy
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Come on, he didn't equate it with the assassination of a human being.
Do you get worked up when somebody uses the phrase, “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we add a poll
So I’ll know if this is the best post ever or the worst. It’s to early, and I’m getting confused
It's a bit like Dead Poet's Society, no?
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills;
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
—Whitman
by Pippensqueak on Jun 25, 2010 7:06 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The vast majority of fans?
I have no idea how what percentage of Blazer fans get involved with BE, nor how many of them are upset about KP’s firing. So, this piece may or may not be reflective of the “majority” view. I do think it was well written, but also highly melodramatic. Ben must have been an avid reader of Greek tragedies as a kid.
It’s not surprising at all that Ben wrote this piece in the way he did. Just as it appeared inevitable that KP would be fired over the past few months, it also appeared that BE was building toward a big, messy eulogy, and that’s what we got.
I’m a Blazer fan and will remain so. I don’t think the organization is taking a step back at all. Not so sure about BE, though.
I doubt anyone can make a case that the team "moved forward" either
and if there had been a poll attached to the post ….you would find the overwhelming majority would vote that this is bad move by the Blazers
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd say the best way to define the organization at this moment is that it's in a state of flux.
It seems so unnecessary to me
Just big ol’ CF
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd wager 50% of Blazer fans don't even know who KP is.
we are the rabid minority.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
My mother does (79 years old)
my 7 year old nephew does
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
well, it's just my opinion of course.
to be more accurate, I’d say 80%+ of Blazer fans won’t care much about this by opening night. Some aren’t batting an eye today, some are upset, but won’t be for long.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Agreed.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
My wife and I were in the car driving to dinner last night
so I naturally turned the radio to the draft coverage. She was very suprised to hear that KP was fired, as she doesn’t keep up with the team, and I hadn’t told her any of the rumors, since she really doesn’t care. Still as a part time watcher of the Blazers, she didn’t understand why he would be fired, with the team he helped construct is doing well.
Ben II Blazersedge.com || New to Blazers' Edge?
The thing with this post is, it's very creative. But as a reader if I want to read an account of the events that took place
I prefer the account to be more objective to give me the chance to be subjective about it. So far that hasn’t really happened from any news source. A lot of people who have written about this, or broadcast about this have seemed to include their personal editorializing on the facts. I’m not saying people can’t do that kind of thing on a blog, and it’s pretty obvious that this post was not meant to be objective:
Pritchard, it became clear, had already left. So had owner Paul Allen, whose dark SUV lurked menacingly in front of the building, parked directly in front of the main entrance because billionaire owners need not bother with parking spaces.But what did really happen is being somewhat muddied by the people who were there through inference and speculation, that it ends up having potentially the same value to me as a glib, stock press release being given out by the Trailblazers themselves. It seems more that it appeals to the emotion of the fans at this moment than it appeals to our need to understand anything about what truly took place. It paints the characters in broad strokes, clearly defining good and evil, friend and foe, but in the end without hard evidence this account leaves me no closer to the “truth” than I was before I read it. But maybe that’s not the point.
I'm a Greg Oden honk, yeah.
Even when I was still a Sonic fan, I liked Oden more than Kevin Durant.
by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT
by Tyler Durrden on Jun 25, 2010 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Well sure...
I want to vomit after reading that. It is SO Canzano it hurts.
Why, Ben. Why?
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I think everyone is overreacting too much.
Yes, KP was a great GM and I’m sad to see him gone, but everyone’s acting like it’s the end of the world. I’m guessing that Paul and KP had different long term goals/different directions for the team and that KP was trying to go over Allen’s head by gaining the majority of media and fan praise and attention.
I think KP is great at evaluating talent and should definitely get another job soon. However, he might not be the guy to make the Blazers a championship team. No one can know this for certainty, but it might be a nice change to bring in someone new who has new relationships around the league. Maybe all the “pritch-slapping” came back to haunt him as no other GM’s wanted to make deals with him. Just a hunch.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
I have seen variations this comment quite few times and disagree strongly
Maybe all the "pritch-slapping" came back to haunt him as no other GM’s wanted to make deals with him
What? Do you expect him not to make great deals and trades? Should he have been like the big brother playing hoops in the back yard? You know….let little brother win a few ….to help his self respect?
No! It was his job to win every trade he made….and while he didn’t win every one…. he did win the majority
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Who
lets their little brother win? My little brothers a disabled war vet and I still wouldn’t let him win.
and by extension ...you would Pritch-slap everyone in sight
BTW …have you put in your application? I would send it over to 1 Center Court
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I was saying "maybe" and "just a hunch".
Nobody has any clear answers for what happened to KP. I’m just trying to come up with answers that make some sense.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
I was just using your comment as representitive of many I have seen
I’m just trying to come up with answers that make some sense.
I just don’t think this one makes sense
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you have all the answers then?
You must, since you seem so sure of yourself. The thing is, nobody on these boards works for the Blazers. There were probably a ton of internal problems going on that haven’t been made public yet. However, everyone’s jumping to conclusions about everything. If I was Paul Allen and my GM was trying to go against my decisions and it caused drama, then I probably wouldn’t want him either.
I’ve read a lot about how KP being fired wasn’t necessarily about something he did, but something he didn’t do. There have been lots of missed opportunities to do something with cap space, like with Raef, and he didn’t do them. Why? Who knows, maybe he had gained a reputation as a young, hot shop GM and other GM’s were nervous to make deals with him.
Again, this is just one possible explanation that makes sense to me. Let’s hear yours now.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
This is the part that I say doesn't make sense....and yes, I am pretty sure of it
Maybe all the "pritch-slapping" came back to haunt him as no other GM’s wanted to make deals with him.
If he has gotten the better of other GMs (ie Pritch-Slapped them) …… Isn’t that exactly a GM’s job description?? I mean…every GM out there is trying to win a trade (or at least tie it) ….it was not KP’s job to make the other guy feel all warm and fuzzy about it.
On the other hand, if you have a problem with the expression itself (pritch-slapped)….it should be noted that it wasn’t coined by KP (in fact he had denounced it many occasions)…but the press or blogs or fans that came up with it…basically fans being fans.
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
the "slap" part is the problem
You want to get the better end of the trade, sure, but you actually do want to make the other GM feel decently about dealing with you, if you want to trade with them in the future (or any of the 28 other GMs who they talk to on a regular basis).
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
If you don't do anything underhanded
then Our GM shouldn’t give a rip about how the GM feels about the deal.
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he shouldn't have done all those great moves that resulted in the "pritch-slap" phrase.
I’m just saying that maybe we’ve reached a point where there could possibly be some bad blood between him and other GM’s and that it’s time for a fresh face in the office. Everything at this point is speculation, anyway, but things like the “toxic offer” for Millsap comes to mind. That was basically us trying to screw over another team and put them over the luxury tax. Sure, it was smart, but probably gave us a bad rep at the same time.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
The idea as I understand it
is that other GMs were not mad that he made the trades and fleeced them, but about his alleged arrogance in doing so.
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The key word is "alleged"
GMs were not mad that he made the trades and fleeced them, but about his alleged arrogance in doing so.
That came mostly from A-Woj …..and probably Warkentien
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
I am not saying its true or I even believe it (I don’t – GMs are big boys), its just where this particular meme is coming from.
Pretty much everything in this whole sordid affair is “alleged.”
by Pooh Richardson on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
It was his job to win every trade he made
This is not how the NBA works. A GM can get away with being ruthless only so long, and then the rest of his peers will avoid doing business with him. Long term GMs (like Geoff Petrie) will craft deals that help both teams, and maintain relationships with partners around the league that he can do repeat business with
I’m not saying that KP will never be a GM again, but I suspect he learned a valuable lesson during his 3 years as Portland’s GM (besides the lesson about standing by quietly while your agent hacks off your owner)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So he has to do his job....
…and the other GM’s job too??
I think you are off base on this one
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
no, you don't understand
it’s like a relationship, you give and take
you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours
the NBA is a competitive environment on the court, but it’s also a LEAGUE with (unwritten, yet clearly understood by insiders) rules of conduct. If one of it’s members colors outside the lines they’ll be sanctioned. Unofficially. The cost to the team is that opportunities that might be available are now met with closed doors and unreturned phone calls
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So you are saying that the other GM didn't want to do the deals??
But KP tricked them or blackmailed them?
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
no, he leveraged the deals using Paul's checkbook
then took too much credit for the trade, and then called back and tried to strong-arm more deals
not every GM has the built-in advantage of having Paul Allen as his owner, the resentment for KP from his peers is just human nature. Blazer fans love KP because he delivered the candy, opposing GMs were jealous of him because he had a sugar daddy in Paul. In KP’s next orgainzation he’ll (probably) have a different set of rules to play by
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Oh...boo hoo
(not to you…but to those GMs with hurt feelings)
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
they're not crying
most of them still have jobs, today
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So your saying
that Mitch kupchik(I think that is how it is spelled) can’t do business with the rest of the league now, simply because he SCREWED over Memphis in the Paul Gasol deal? I disagree with that point and agree that it is a GM’s job to win every trade he makes, otherwise he shouldn’t make the trade. You only make a deal when it improves your team, there is no reason to improve other teams at the cost of yours. GM’s have a short shelf life in this league, on the good ones stick, and you can tell who the good ones are because they continue to make good deals for their teams.
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what I think he's saying
is not that you pursue a balanced trade—if another GM is willing to throw you a bone, why not take it?—but rather that you handle the whole affair with class. Do unto others and so on, especially if you expect to make more deals within the very small NBA inner circle in the near future. KP had a reputation for being brash and boastful, which, if you’re one of those GMs who realized in hindsight that you got the raw end of the deal, rubs the wrong way.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
I think this may very well be one of the reasons KP was let go.
Another may be that KP hung on to Rudy Fernandez for too long…until his stock dropped.
Or that KP said to the press that Patty Mills was Paul Allen’s choice…kind of throwing Allen under the bus on that one? Or maybe PA saw it this way.
Or that Paul Allen didn’t appreciate KP’s manager’s style of getting the media involved and possibly saw this as a way to strong arm him into paying KP more than he wanted to pay him.
And I do think that GMs can do one another favors, if they are friends. Look at Danny Ainge (?sp) of the Celtics. I believe his friend in Minnesota practically GAVE Garnett to the Celtics.
Maybe KP just rubs other GMs the wrong way? I know his staff love him but what of those from other teams?
And whose idea was it to send out the Darius Miles letter? Not sure on that one but if it was KP, then I could see where Allen would be a tad pissed about having to cough up that money..just because Memphis decided to show Portland what they thought of this threat.
KP hung on to Rudy Fernandez for too long…until his stock dropped.
No, we know that one was on Paul. KP had a deal in place for Rudy at the deadline, if not sooner, but Paul said no. All of these proposals get run by Allen (and probably Kolde, up in Seattle) and Jason Filippi said that Rudy was still considered “untouchable, like Roy” back in March, by the owner
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Ben....thank you
This was a fantastic article ….the piece was written in the precise tenor to match what I have been feeling all evening (I could not bring myself to respond last night). I now sit here, at my computer, with an enormous sense of dread. The one thing that KP brought ….invariably…was a sense of confidence and direction…..that has been blown to crap by PA and his minions.
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
Paul Allen, whose dark SUV lurked menacingly in front of the building, parked directly in front of the main entrance because billionaire owners need not bother with parking spaces.
Uh, the guy’s trying to recover from cancer. How many blocks do you want him to walk to get in his car?
ignacio
I would bet that there are handicap spots right by the door
they are required by law, you know
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
What I've heard backchannel
is that he’s been partying pretty hard, and hanging out with a lot of 20-25 year olds (bucket list syndrome?)
Paul’s sister is concerned about his devil-may-care attitude, and this could be part of the reason why the Vulcans are insisting the franchise operate in the black and (perhaps) stay at or below the luxury tax threshold
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
When it's "he said/he said" the fans are usually going to blame the boss.
That’s because 99.99% of the fans have to work for someone else, don’t know what it’s like to be REALLY in charge, and seem to often resent the fact that Allen owns things and has the ability to tell people what to do. I think, overall, he’s been a great owner for Portland. Regardless, it’s truly a “he said / he said” issue and we can only guess what REALLY happened.
Perhaps KP was ticked that he was so popular while (only) making $800k and going into a lame duck year. I can see where KP would be embarrassed and furious that news had leaked that the Blazers were shopping for his replacement. He had a job to do and he executed it. Of course, leaking the info that he was fired right before the draft does seem like a diva move to me after his “take the high road” speech last week.
The bottom line is we all have to work for someone. Learning to get along with them is part of the job. They’re the boss. Allen has put together a great team of scouts and coaches over the last several years. KP did a fine job but someone else can step in and succeed, because of the hard work ownership and employees have put in. Basically, KP gets too much blame and too much credit.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 AM PDT reply actions
This is unacceptable in my opinion
I can see where KP would be embarrassed and furious that news had leaked that the Blazers were shopping for his replacement.
There was no reason not the fire him ….and replace him (if only on an interim basis) ….back in March. To let him be strung out is a total “bush league” move of the sly/stupid variety we have seen so often from this guy (PA).
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to think Paul Allen strung Kevin Pritchard along not out of spite; rather, his plan was just to ...
have his cake and eat it, too. Clearly, that was a myopic decision from an internal working environment standpoint and, moreover, a large public relations nightmare. Pritchard certainly wasn’t going to resign, however, for he wanted his buyout — as well as maybe thought he could kiss enough butt to “KeeP” his job over the long haul — but things came to a head yesterday and all hell broke loose. Yet, no matter the exact nature of the circumstances, everyone came out of this worse for wear. It’s a rough ordeal, indeed.
Precisely
have his cake and eat it, too
This is “bush league and sly/stupid” part. Anyone should have know this is exactly how it was gonna play out. Anyone who is even middle management knows that once the decision is made….you get on with it right now!
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, no
There’s a thing in business, especially at the executive level, called the transition period, where the executive and C-level management know exactly when the exec being fired is leaving the company, but they’ve agreed to keep working until then in order to get an important project finished. Like, say, the NBA draft.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
Yeah. yeah
What you state does happen….but…but you don’t drop the hammer on someone an hour before the big project (as reported). If on the other hand PA has gone to Kp back in March, for instance, and says that he is going make a change after the draft and allowed KP to decide for himself if he wanted to continue in that capacity …then it is a different story. But that doesn’t appear to be the way it went down….and that is PA’s fault
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I admit
I suffer from not knowing all the facts here. There are conflicting reports on when and how KP was officially told he was fired—and the primary source on this is Quick, who isn’t exactly known for his accuracy or fact-checking. That being said, KP had supposedly been saying for some time that he expected to be let go shortly after the draft, so it’s not like this completely blindsided him either.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
Definitely
but the PA hate has been there all along. He has an image issue because of several reasons, including the tiny market size of his team. Much of the media here has traditionally been eager to jump all over Allen. He doesn’t give them cute little quotes like KP, so most of them seem determined to chuck dirt clods at his black SUV any chance they can get, Ben included.
So yes, KP’s firing was crappy business. But it doesn’t erase what the other employees and players have done on the court. KP doesn’t deserve all of the credit for that.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:26 AM PDT reply actions
Apparently
one employee getting canned in an undignified way means the end is nigh.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Come now
If Brandon Roy was cut tomorrow, would you say it was one employee getting canned?
do you root for all of management?
do you own a Jay Jensen Jersey?
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by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Tod Lei-We-Ke
clap clap clap-clap-clap
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
Haha
I have a Larry Miller replica look of confusion daily. It’s my homage to my favorite lil’ prezzy.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
On a personal level? No
But the GM isn’t exactly the same as a ticket seller.
(Now I kind of wish I had a Jay Jensen jersey)
Let me give out a big cheer for Sarah Mensah: "Whoo-hoo!"
Man, there’s nothing like a slick, smooth-talking Chief Marketing Officer who coins phrases such as “Rise With Us.”
Yes, I’m being sarcastic and, well, perhaps even a bit sardonic here. In all seriousness, though, “Rise With Us” was such a hokey campaign slogan to push ticket sales. Yet, people still buy that bunk hook, line, and sinker.
You can't replace B-Roy though.
I think the organization is setup for a GM to succeed and that there are several candidates who could do a fine job.
I see your point though. KP is popular with fans because he has been the face of the reversal of Blazer fortunes. I don’t think he deserves all of the credit though.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, I'll concede that was a tad hyperbolic
I guess I wish we really knew how much credit he actually deserves. The best case is that KP has actually been the empty suit the whole time. At this point, I would really love for that to be the case.
You can replace B-roy
it is just difficult. So you don’t get rid of him in the 1st place. I place KP is the same category….great GM ….who will be difficult to replace, especially when your actions (the way KP was treated on the way out) makes it even harder
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think KP is great.
I think he just had two tepid drafts in a row. He didn’t have lottery picks to work with, but he didn’t get impact players either. He almost locked up a lion’s share of cap space on a player in Hedo who is on the downside of his career—a player who would have taken time away from Nic. He then almost locked up further cap space on a player in Milsap who plays the same position as LMA. Can you say Rasheed and Brian Grant all over again? Not to mention Jermaine O’neal, who went on to be pretty good. Have two +12 million a year guys at one position is dumb. Period.
Signing Miller and the Camby deal definitely make up for it, but neither of those moves truly impact this team in the long run. Both of those players will be off the books in a couple years and the Blazers will still have a big hole at PG and lack toughness inside (signing Milsap to come off the bench to fill that role is Whitsitt-esque at best).
So no, I don’t think KP is “all that”, as they say. He’s good, but there are better.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok.....who are they....and how do we get them?
I don’t think KP is "all that", as they say. He’s good, but there are better.
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
We shall see.
The search is already under way.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
well...you are the one who says they are out there
got any ideas?
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't have any ideas, no.
But I didn’t know who the heck KP was until the Blazers hired him.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
one difference, you can trade B-Roy if there is a personality conflict and get value… there is no mechanism in place to trade GM’s
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do I think this was poorly handled? yes
did I like KP as out GM? yes
Do I think that it’s the end of an era or the end of the Blazers resurgence? no, management decisions happen, and as little effect as fans have on player movement they have even less on management decisions made by the owner. the sun rose today (I assume, it’s behind clouds again) it will set tonight, life goes on and so must we all.
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by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure it is not the end of the world literally
I have ZERO trust that the current management will do the right thing…this stands in stark contrast to the trust I had in KP
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
but, you have to remember
current management brought in KP… in fact, outside of Trader Bob, and to a much lesser extent Patterson (who mostly seems bitter now, but did a passable job then) the team as brought in capable people for positions that needed filling
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by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Trader Bob and Patterson fall into the bad category for me...so who else does that leave??
KP….and they just fired him for no decipherable (at least reported) reason.
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
fwiw... Jaynes has this:
– The story floating around that Pritchard tried an “end run” around Larry Miller as a franchise takeover — probably masterminded by Tom Penn, who would have become the GM underneath Pritchard as the president — has been confirmed by several Blazer insiders. You fire people for that kind of stuff.
Petrie was a PA hire as well… otherwise that’s it as far as I remember… The thing that I think bothers me the most is that I had hoped we were entering an era of stability with the team… I hope the new hire, whomever it is, is both good at their job, and around for a while
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by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
also, I meant everyone in management, not just GM’s
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by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought Petrie was the encumbant when PA arrived
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t find the exact timing of when he became VP of operations, but he started as a radio color guy in 1985 and Allen bought the team in 1988
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by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
no, Jon Spoestra was the VP of business (marketing)
and Bucky B was the VP of basketball ops
Petrie unified the two positions, later
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Thanks....I really wasn't sure
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I do some contract arbitrations and one of the things that can go wrong is that a contract proposal
can contain a “poison pill” It might be something small and inconsequential, but it can kill your chances of winning if it falls outside of the law in some way. Your proposal can be well crafted, brilliant, logically consistent and the other party’s could suck. You still lose.
There is always the possibility that there is a poison pill out there that we will never hear about. I’m not saying there is, but I’m not going to spend time hating on people when I don’t have all the facts.
That's why you'll never make it on the AM dial or in the media.
The patience. The waiting. The factual approach. Pffff. People can’t read and be entertained by any of THAT.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Truer words...
I hope you don’t have to work 60 hours a week and get to fly fish often. I need something positive to believe in.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I am in fact ditching work today and taking my daughter fishing on the lower Trask river.
by raoulduke on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!
That defines the word “success” for me.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Ben lost a friend yesterday
and his ability to be objective about the situation. I pray for his own sake that it comes back, but he is in the early stages of the process. Good luck Ben, I know it sucks right now. In the end you are going to come to terms with the fact that KP was fired because of his agent, and KP was caught in the middle. It is not fair, but KP might have been a bit too competitive for his own good. I hope KP learns the lesson here, because if he doesn’t then history will repeat itself and his long-term future in the NBA will be grim.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
OMGrandpa
An admission
" A deep unshakable feeling that it didn’t have to end this way-That it shouldn’t of ended this way".
True. That’s been the problem all along. Always the feeling that this was being handled wrong. Badly. Not so much the actual reality that an owner and a popular GM had unpoken conflicts and a franchise was moving to replace that GM, it was the denial that it was happening. It was the gap between outward statements of respect and actual mechanizations happening and being reported that allowed everyone to know that at the same time numerous people within the organization were applauding Kevin Pritchard and the work he has done, that same organization was trying to almost covertly replace him.
Instead of focusing on Basketball, The Draft and this franchise’s immediate future, we were just witness to the one of the weirdest, strangest soap opera transistions of management I have ever witnessed in my life.
I’m upset at how this was handled. But like Larry Miller, I’ll break into a smile. This has been handled so badly at almost every concievable step that as horrible as it has been maybe it IS oddly fitting that it played out the way it did. It was like having to amputate a leg and the surgeon deciding to not use anesthesia, choose a rusty butterknife and close the wound using chewing gum and used dental floss. I was shocked at the timing of the announcement. But once the shock wore off I said to myself….unfortunately it all kind of fits.
I have an admission. I’ve been very critical of Larry Miller. It’s easy to paint him as the Villain or Villains assistant since he is burdened with being Team President and having to make some type of declaration. But I think he tried last night. He obviously is being limited as to what he is allowed to say, and he is following a script. Well unless you think Buchanan, Born, and also Nate McMillan should all flush their contracts and walk away from their employment than I’m not going to fault Miller for his performance last night. This whole process has been one big performance, and not a good one, but I thought Miller was doing his best to make a sincere statement albeit limited and scripted.
I’ve always respected Paul Allen and his desire or natural tendency to remain as private as possible. I also respect him as a great owner. Not a perfect owner, but a great owner who has done more than you could expect or imagine to keep not only the franchise viable in Portland, but also to improve it. It’s strange that as this has played out, he has just spent millions of dollars on a draft that he could not even make a statement about, because he simulataneously created a situation that has upset the fanbase.
That’s what bothered me too last night. I thought everyone Larry Miller included tried to do their best in a very difficult situation but the person that I think the fans deserved more from, was Paul Allen. To slip away into the darkness leaving the fans with only a press release statement was disappointing. He has always had every right to fire Kevin Pritchard, but as the owner of The Blazers I thought he owed the fans more last night. I thought he owed his own organization more last night. If you are going to give a (he admits) popular GM his walking papers, hours before the draft after a strange and lengthy process…I think you should be present and look the fans in the eyes. Don’t make the personal decision for whatever reason to fire Pritchard and then leave your own employees to deal with the fall out alone. If The Blazers are a team effort, and it’s Paul Allens team, then this was a situation where he needed to push his desired envelope of privacy and own up…to being the owner.
I thought it interesting that the post draft press conference had little or no mention of Paul Allen. In the past Kevin Pritchard or someone would always credit Paul Allen for his support. Last night, even Paul Allens remaining employees seemed unwilling to do that, and given the mess he was making them try to clean up, can you blame them?
I’m still in fandom shock. But I think eventually we all need to decide as fans what we want to do. Do people today decide they have had enough?
This team is so beloved by it’s fanbase. To me the franchise has to be bigger than any one person. It’s got to be bigger than Paul Allen, it’s got to be bigger than Kevin Pritchard, Nate McMillan or Greg Oden…it’s all of us.
So I can’t walk away. As much as my instincts say something stinks. I’d be lying if I said I’m going to turn my back. I was here when this team whimpered with a roster that was relying on Telfair, Ha Seung Jin and a whole host of other mediocre players. I was here last night, I’ll be here tomorrow. So am I that different from Larry Miller, McMillan, Buchanan or any other Blazer employee? To a degree as a fan I’ve been bought. The Blazers are the team I watched as a kid, the rosters and players I memorized and imagined playing with as a 12 year old in the driveway. No I can’t just walk away. It’s been a horrible soap opera, but a gloriously horrible soap opera. Now my hope is we get back to being a franchise and a team…and just “normal” entertainment.
It’s been handled horribly. I said it before. But I guess I’m relieved from the standpoint that now that Kevin Pritchard has been released? It’s over. It can’t be handled any worse, no more mistakes can be made in relationship to Kevin Pritchard Blazer GM. (We can and will debate/discuss replacements on a different day).
I don’t really know Kevin Pritchard, I don’t really know Paul Allen or Larry Miller, or Nate McMillan. In arc welding light of the Portland Media we are made to think we do. The only thing I know today? I can be mad, disappointed, frustrated…I can even say, I’m taking a break from the whole thing….but I can’t walk away from The Blazers. It’s my fellow fans that I take the most comfort from, up down or indifferent, we are fans NOT being paid by Paul Allen, not signed to contracts or confidentiality agreements, and WE are bigger than Paul Allen, Kevin Pritchard or Larry Miller.
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by Krang on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
We are not paid by Paul Allen
But we pay him. We supplement his little hobby by paying for tickets and $7 beers and for the charge we get to watch him play with his toys. It reminds me of the South Park where Cartman buys an amusement park. Eventually, he realizes that he needs the customers for him to own the park and each customer that comes in reduces his joy. I’d be thrilled to reduce his enjoyment just a little bit each game by having a Kevin Pritchard chant at every game he attends. Just a reminder that on some level he needs us, Billionaire or not.
The thing I love about this issue is how much small-town resent is on display.
Portland is a small town, and Paul Allen’s fortunes are larger than life. The local media get little out of Allen’s shy personality and preference to let his team do the talking on the floor.
The irony is that we wouldn’t have a team to root for without Allen and his love of basketball and determination to spend money to create a great team. Neither would the media have a pro sport to write about, tweet about, and madly speculate about on the air.
I’m not saying Allen hasn’t bungled some things. Far from it. But the fact that he gets so much hate while KP gets so much love is indicative of the small-town mindedness of this fine, beautiful city.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
this is not true
again, Allen did not save the Blazers. The Rose Garden was not built solely by him.
This is not solely a small town phenomenom. Visit a Knick game lately?
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by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Did Allen not front half of the money for the RG?
Can you imagine Portland actually voting to fund a huge arena? Can you imagine the Blazers currently operating in the Memorial?
I’m no expert, mind you. I just suspect Allen, and his fortunes, are necessary to keep the NBA in Portland.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
the facts
From the fish wrapper,
Under that deal, private investors put up 87 percent of the $262 million project. Allen himself chipped in $46 million plus future debt payments, and the city added $34.5 million for two parking garages and other improvements.
So Allen put up $46 million, the city put up $34.5 million, and other private investers paid the rest of the initial investment. Somewhere along the lines, that turned into Paul Allen built the Rose Garden all by himself without any public money.
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Paul Allen did not front half of the money for the RG.
He put up $46 million out of $262 million and the bulk of it, $155 million, was provided by a private consortium of lenders.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
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by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Who he screwed over when the RG went into bankrupcy
(if I recall correctly)
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
He got pissed that he was paying 9% interest on the debt and stopped making payments…and the only reason the interest was that high in the first place was because Allen refused to back the $155 million loan with his own money, even though it’s a drop in the bucket to him. It was all really dumb.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
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by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
this is what got me
He would rather pay 9% interest on a huge loan, causing him to pay out twice as much if the loan runs its course, instead of paying in cash at the beginning, or giving a personal guarentee on the loan, which would have brought the interest down considerably. Now personal guarentee’s are usually something to stay away from, but in this case, it just made sense.
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Two phrases:
“leverage” and “risk exposure”.
I don’t feel like explaining why what Allen did was the standard way that business operates, or why paying cash upfront or personal guarantee would be a bad idea and why no business would operate this way for a large capital expenditure, as it would be long and windy. Let’s just say there’s a reason why Allen went this way as would most large businesses.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
oh I get the reason
I just don’t agree in this specific case. Sure normally any large captial expense would not be paid in cash or given a personal guarentee. But this was a pretty specific purchase, that had very little risk to it at all, as the agreement gave him the rights to develope around the arena, which ensured he would be able to created the correct enviornment for business success, (ofcourse he never did that, but again that is his companies fault).
PA put up a large chuck of money, $46 million is nothing to sneeze at, but his real estate business could have easily built this arena in a more financially sound way. He didn’t need more leverage or less exposure, he already had full ownership of the team, a team that needed a new arena, he was already fully exposed at that point from a risk stand point and the deal he made with the city provide no leverage at all, as his attempted bankrupt proved.
Make no mistake, it was Paul Allen’s choices in 1993 that led to the “broken business model” a few years ago that almost caused him to sell the team and the arena.
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Can you imagine Portland actually voting to fund a huge arena?
That ain’t happenin’ – they can’t even figure out where to build (or how to fund) a 15,000-seat baseball stadium. Grrrr. – Elgin
GOP in HD
And what's more
the city wasted money by going half-arsed on it’s renovation of PGE park.
Again, I’m no expert though.
Maybe Allen doesn’t deserve all the credit for keeping the NBA in Portland. Likewise, KP certainly doesn’t deserve all the credit for the resurgence of this team.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Not true
The irony is that we wouldn’t have a team to root for without Allen
The team was here before him…and will likely be here after
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
but wouldn't still be here if he didn't buy it
no way the RG gets built by any other ownership group for as little as the city put into it. No RG, this team leaves town in the late 90s
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Maybe/Maybe not
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Regardless,
PA saved the city a boatload of cash that it’s not entirely clear we would have voted to fork over without him. And no Rose Garden would have probably moved us squarely ahead of Vancouver and Charlotte when relocation was happening in the early 2000’s when Memphis and NO were looking for teams and certainly ahead of Seattle 2 years ago (although I can’t imagine we would have lasted that long here in the MC).
Sure, the mid-2000’s issues were largely of PA’s own doing, but he had a heck of a lot to do with keeping the franchise in Portland long enough to even get to that point.
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Small Town?
As I said, I’ve always respected Paul Allens desire to remain private. I don’t think and I actually appreciate that he is not a Mark Cuban type of owner.
I always disagree when I hear people refer to Portland as being small town, or having a small town attitude. Well if by small town you mean we passionately back and desire to support our representative sports franchises? Then I’m not going to apologize for that and I don’t think it is limited to a population count.
It will be interesting to me, to see how the new GM handles the media. Or maybe more precisely how the new GM is allowed to deal with the media. KP was smart. I think he looked at at Whittsit, Nash and Patterson and rightly concluded that to be succesful in Portland he needed to have a strong media presence and establish a positive relationship with the fanbase. Rumor based speculation (always dangerous) say’s that same strength might of led to his downfall.
In anycase…I say, I don’t know Kevin Pritchard…I also don’t know Paul Allen. Right now emotions are high among Blazer fans. But overall? I don’t think we are a group that hate anything or anybody…unless they wear purple and gold. If the fanbases passion for The Blazers is thought of as “small town”? Well bring in John Cougar Mellencamp…because I’m small town.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
the small town comes from
Portland’s political leaders not being willing to pay for the things that big markets have. Like big businesses, (portland instead taxed them to death and they are now all leaving) sport franchises, (only the Blazers, and they are losing their baseball team because the city won’t help built a park) big hotels for tourism, (the main reason the NBA All-Star game will never be played here), and there are many more. Portland’s voters and their political leaders can’t get out of their own way even in a project like the MC. It is so painfully obvious that it needs to be removed and replaced with an attractive venue for concerts, baseball, hockey, soccer, amusement park, ANYTHING, yet it can’t be done, because Portland acts like a small town.
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IBM is adding 600 jobs to the metro area
not sure it is relevant but I thought I would throw that out there
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
not in Portland though...
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Beaverton is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO far away
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
no, but the city leadership is quite different than that of Portland
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
the tax is state wide though, not unique to Portlands city limits
and the IBM addition like many of the tech jobs is based upon where they can acquire affordable land within a reasonable proximity to their workforce housing
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
True
but we were talking just about Portland, not the state. I know I raised the oregon tax issue, but Portland itself is a very high tax area for businesses, and the political leaders are still willing to raise them more.
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most downtown’s have a high business tax as a way to raise revenue, this is not unique to Portland… they have a high business tax because a large percentage of the workforce lives elsewhere and commutes to downtown, so they require the infrastructure that Portland provides without paying into Portland’s tax base outside of the business taxes…
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Disney is not in LA
Google is not in San Francisco
etcetera
exeptions being New York City with Wall Street and LA with Hollywood studios, but these are entrenched institutions and even then a large portion of the workforce is outsourced to areas with better tax climates (Vancouver BC for Hollywood and wherever I send my credit card payments for Wall Street)
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
with regard to the MC, I disagree with the obviousness of it, but that’s another conversation for another time
I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old
by The Arkitect on Jun 25, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes--small town.
Rasheed was pretty much regarded as the worst guy ever when he played here. The media absolutely killed him. He was a hot-headed, competitive, oft ill-tempered guy, yes. He certainly wasn’t the low-post “go-to” guy we wanted either. And he wasn’t particularly niiiiiiice to the local press. Yet, he was one of the best players this team ever had. A great, multi-faceted player in his prime—and we ran him out of town.
I love this city. But we’re easily manipulated and entertained by vultures like Canzano and Vance, not to mention the type of drippy accounting of events Ben just splattered this blog with…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Truth is....
and maybe this is part of the problem. But the truth is at Paul Allens’ level of wealth? He doesn’t need us.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
This is just wrong
Every business needs a customer base. Without fans the Trailblazers would not exist.
listen to AK
the owner of his previous team was Howard Schulz
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
+92,000
But I think eventually we all need to decide as fans what we want to do.
This is on my mind….a lot
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Collectively?
Paul Allen just fired a front office worker for reasons known only to him, and as the owner he is allowed to do so. It’s not like the Blazers traded Brandon Roy for Ron Artest here. Why should we “do” anything? The Blazers are the same guys they were last year, and to support them any less because Kevin Pritchard is gone would be disingenuous and counter-productive at best and mean-spirited and bitter at worst.
Paul Allen’s team, Paul Allen’s money, Paul Allen’s employee. The Blazers are not a public entity, nor is the Rose Garden. If the fans suddenly decide they don’t want to watch the Blazers anymore because they think Paul Allen is a jerk, even if they’re right they’re not hurting Paul. They’re hurting Brandon, Lamarcus, Andre, Nic, etc. Those guys appreciate arenas full of screaming, excited fans who wish them well.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Sports Franchises are different...
They can be owned privately. By singular owners. But they are marketed and exist publicly. So by “business definition” they are not public entities BUT in reality they are public operations that the public invests time, money and emotional capital into.
Paul Allen owns The Blazers. He’s the owner. But with a sports franchise I think it goes beyond ownership. The franchise is part of many peoples personal lives, and memories. This site, not owned by Paul Allen, is evidence that Paul Allen might own The Blazers but it’s not just his team. A lot of people, rightly or wrongly have invested a lot of themselves into The Blazer over the years. Paul Allen can’t buy that, whether he realizes or appreciates it or not.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've got to be kidding me...
A sports franchise is a business. Paul Allen owns 100% of the Blazers. He owes nothing to the fans. Just because we choose to spend our time following it doesn’t mean we somehow create an ownership share in Paul Allen’s business. We have no more right to what the Blazers do than we have to what Apple or IBM does. Fans are simply customers.
You argue that sports teams are marketed and exist publicly and are public operations because the public invests time, money and emotional capital into them. That’s true of EVERY private business on some scale. Sure, some companies only market to a select swath of the public, but honestly, so do sports teams. And there are companies a large percentage of the public are serious fans of.
We fans invest in the Blazers products—we buy the right to see their games, purchase their merchandise, and fuel their advertising dollars with our attention. We are not investors with a stake in the company itself. Just as Apple “fans” purchase and thus own iPads and iPhones but have no share in the company itself.
The only way communities of fans have any stake in sports franchises is when they choose fund sports stadiums and have the wisdom to bind the team to their community contractually in exchange for the right to use the stadium. But Portland hasn’t been willing to do that. We have weight as consumers, but no right as owners.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
by DC Blazer on Jun 25, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You lost me with that one
Paul Allen owns 100% of the Blazers. He owes nothing to the fans
The fans are the customers….Period
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Precisely. The fans are customers, not co-owners.
Companies don’t owe anything to their customers beyond honestly providing the service their customers paid for. Say you buy a ticket to a game. The team owes it to you to put on that game. You purchased the right to review it or be refunded. But you have no right to to claim a stake in what they put on the court. If Paul Allen wants to to field a horrid team, that’s his right as the owner and the risk we take as fans. If he wants to move the team to Seattle, vis-a-vis the fans, that’s also his right. If he wants to fire KP for no reason (hypothetically speaking… I think he had valid reasons), that’s also his right.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Ha, I should have read this before responding. Well said sir.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Right, and as the customers, our reactions (buying the product, promoting it via word of mouth, etc) are what matter.
Not opinions. Paul Allen is responsible to us in the sense that Reebok is responsible to those who buy its shoes. If they want to make money, there are certain things they need to do. That’s about it.
I think there is some emotional responsibility of a sort, that I would hope PA would feel, but I can’t demand it of him, any more than I can demand that Reebok make a certain type of shoe because it’s the one that fits me personally best.
(Incidentally I don’t buy Reebok shoes, just the first example that came to mind.)
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
If Paul Allen wanted to sit by himself and watch Blazers game, that's correct.
If Paul Allen want to charge us large sums of money to watch the Blazers with him, we get a lot of input in the process.
Keep Portland Weird.
Nonsense.
Don’t buy tickets if you don’t like the product he puts on the floor. When you purchase a ticket to a future game you assume the risk that he kills the product before the game. You haven’t purchased a right to have a say in personnel decisions. You’ve just purchased a seat to watch whatever team Allen chooses to put on the floor.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
You rinput is your decision whether to spend that money.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Your * input *
EDIT FUNCTION PLEASE
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
I would disagree
Fans are very much on Paul Allen’s mind when he is thinking of the Blazers. Season ticket holders, coorprate sponsers, and the single game ticket fan, are all very important to him and the Blazers brass. And it is the same at Apple or IBM, their customers are very important, the old business saying, “the customer is always right” might be untrue, but it was born out of a business’s need to serve it’s customers. This is the reason why public pressure on businesses works, when the fans stopped going to blazer games, the team changed, because the team needs the fans to be successful. When the Gieco ad voice guy made a fool of himself, he was fired, because of public pressure on the company, they need to please their customers.
So no, we don’t own any part of the team, but to make the case that PA doesn’t need or care about the fans is completely untrue.
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I didn't say he shouldn't care.
I just said we, the fans, have no RIGHT to have a say over personnel decisions.
Of course Allen and the front office care what the fans think on some level. I don’t think Allen cares nearly as much as most owners—he has the wealth not to—but yes, he cares.
I’m simply saying that the notion that Allen owes it to us as fans to explain his actions is bogus. He might be wise to, but he doesn’t have an obligation to.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Yes ...collectively
You may have already made your decision….but I will take some time with mine
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
You go ahead
But “We need to decide as fans what to do” is the sort of ominous-yet-toothless statement that drives me nuts. The Blazers have a strong team made up of good young men who don’t deserve to be punished for the hubris of their owner.
The Blazers are not the Green Bay Packers, they are not owned by the people of the city. That is not to say that we should not be upset when a great GM like KP is fired. I am certainly upset. But the fact remains that KP is a FRONT OFFICE WORKER. He does not play for the team. The great kids who do play for the team don’t deserve to lose your support because of this, nor anyone else’s. Do we want our arena to look like Memphis’, with 14 people in attendance? I don’t want that sort of embarrassment to our fair city.
I guess the point I am trying to make is, KP was fired for reasons that are none of our damned business. Would I hypothetically stop drinking Pepsi because they fired their VP of accounting? Nope, and I won’t stop loving the Blazers because of this. I hope nobody else does either.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
If they fired the guy who decided how Pepsi tastes
And perhaps they are bringing in someone to make it taste like Dr. Pepper (disgusting)… you’d stop drinking Pepsi.
Comparing the Blazers business to another business doesn’t work because it just isn’t the same. Fans know and worry about who actually runs the team in sports. Yeah, it’s PA’s decision, but fans can also be worried about WHY he fired the guy who had been pushed out front as the face of the franchise for years. Especially one who seemed to be pretty good at his job.
I don’t hate the Blazers and I personally feel I can’t be “mad” about this because I simply don’t know what happened. But I do worry it was a decision made for bad or petty reasons, and that we won’t be able to get another smart GM. That will greatly affect our chances at contending for a title.
Mortimer
#52
I'm not suggesting that Paul Allen made a good decision
In fact I think it sucks, I loved KP. I’m not sure who they can get that will be remotely as good, but it isn’t my job to find someone like that. Paul has to lie in the bed he’s made here. The fact remains that it is HIS problem, not ours. If we love KP so much, we should just start rooting for whatever team hires him (and somebody will). That team will be better for it.
I want to know why KP was fired, in the same way I want to know what really happened in the Roswell incident. I have my suspicions that the leadership has done something shady, but me knowing why isn’t going to change anything.
If the new GM comes in and mucks things up and starts trading for goons, then we can be concerned. As of today, we have the same team we had last week plus three rookies.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jun 25, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is the problem
Paul has to lie in the bed he’s made here
He isn’t in there alone….I am there too…and so are the rest of us. I am emotionally invested in the Portland Trail Blazer and have been for years. Some yahoo, up above, told me to go be Laker fan…..but that ain’t how it works for me…I am either a Blazer fan…or not a fan at all…and Paul has power over that. If he screws up my fanhood I will never forgive him.
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
but that's happened before
Paul presided over the Jail Blazer era, no? He ruined a lot of people’s fanhoods, and look where we are now. Of course, you can say that was due to Pritchard, but not all the credit goes to KP. Paul writes the checks and is responsible for the team culture.
I feel what you’re saying, I really do. What Paul does with the team affects us, but KP being gone doesn’t change the fact that we have a good solid team of strong character guys still. Root for them, and be proud!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Wonderful Post
This forum has always been about the fans and I loved the story in that it told the story of the reaction from your perspective. You didn’t force emotion into a story that didn’t need it. Absolutely perfect.
But this wasn’t just a crisis of strategy and personnel. This was identity. “Who are we?” “What do we stand for?” “Is this how we treat people?” And, maybe… “Am I next?”
What a great atmosphere to work in!
They selected a targeted player who adds shooting and will cost a fraction of the player for whom he was traded.
Best of luck to Martell. I think he will be successful in Minnesota, and his game will improve there, as it would have in Portland if Batum wasn’t in his way. It will be interesting to see if Babbitt or Gomes makes the squad – personally, I don’t see a scenario where both are on the roster on Opening Night.
The surprise wasn’t the players who were selected. The picks came down like a detailed plan being executed bullet point by bullet point. The surprise was that it happened when and how it happened. A rose from concrete.
. . . like this article. Great job Ben.
Mike Born ( . . . ) looked exhausted, finding his legs again after completing a marathon. No, the team hadn’t decided yet what to do with the newly-acquired Ryan Gomes and his partially guaranteed contract.
Maybe he will be traded. When we have a GM!
Larry Miller said:
I’m not going to get into the details about what transpired or why.
The Blazers’ fans will be dissatisfied until someone does.
He reached a high point by doing what he hasn’t done very well in the recent past: acknowledging fan uneasiness with the decision to fire Pritchard. "This was a difficult decision not just for us, for the fans for sure. I would hope that the fans would trust that we’re going to continue to make this organization better.
Mr. Miller, you have just violated that trust by firing your talented GM. Is there a reason (or series of reasons!) why you did this? Let us know why, hire someone as good as KP, or both, and our trust is restored in you and in PA.
Because that’s what we’re going to do. The goal, again, is to win a championship here and bring a championship to the city of Portland. That’s been Paul’s goal. That continues to be Paul’s goal. Everything we do going forward will be focused on that."
This morning on the MSP, Steve Patterson asserted that if Morrison had been available, PA was going to overrule everyone and draft Morrison rather than Roy. The question for PA is this: Can you stay out of the way of the organization long enough for it to win a championship?
Miller:
There’s no way we’re going to go back to any of the directions of the past.
It is somewhat reassuring that Warkentien is not getting the job.
Ben:
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the episode will only add to his growing league-wide reputation for addressing sensitive issues untactfully . Given the time and place and his delivery, it felt like the Darius Miles email of the executive search process. That’s just not how things are done in the NBA.
Patterson’s insight into offering Miles such a giantic contract was very interesting indeed.
Great article Ben. Thanks for writing it. – Elgin
GOP in HD
well said, El
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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Jun 25, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Good eulogy Ben. KP was a big part of this team's body of work for the last few years, and you gave him his proper due.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 25, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Awesome title to the article and great writing.
Thank you.
"I'm passing it down," Howard said. "Showing the guys that, hey, here's an example of a guy who played 16 years. If you don't want to listen and get the valuable, free information from him - soak it up like a sponge - then you've got to be a damn fool."
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I guess I’m just totally confused about the direction the franchise is going. Not being in Portland i don’t know re ally what led up to KP’s firing. I just don’t understand the Martell Webster trade either. He was so good for us last year so why would want to trade him?
by CincyBlazerFan7180 on Jun 25, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
Per 36, Martell averaged 14 and 5 on 40% shooting.
Those numbers have stayed largely consistent through his career here. His PER has gone from 11.6 to 9.9 to 12 to 12.5. Not a very impressive upward trend for a guy we drafted on potential.
KP’s firing – no one knows, in portland or out. Seems unlikely he was dismissed purely for his work performance as far as those things were publicly knowable — trades, picks, etc. So it seems almost certain to have been something not publicly knowable.
There’s been some rumors floated, but who really knows? Maybe he mouthed off a lot to his boss, maybe he was disloyal and took sides, maybe he was atrocious to work with to everyone outside of his circle, maybe he was clannish to a fault. There are dozens of reasons to dismiss an employee for reasons other than what people outside the company have access to.
Which again is why it’s just so insensible for fans and bloggers to be taking sides and hyperventilating the way they have been.
by howlingfantods on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Sign Omar Samhan to our summer league team.25 and 15 all summer long lol
"Good, Better, Best, never let it rest until your good is your better and your better is your best." Tim Duncan
"we get a lot of input in the process"
I know you’re serious-seriously off target. The only input fans have that means anything is whether we buy the company’s product. Any owner that will bend to petitions, public demonstrations, etc. isn’t going to be in business very long. BE happens to be populated by a relatively few, highly partisan and emotional fans (me included). If we were all season ticket owners and all decided to cancel our tickets, that would speak loudly to PA. Short of that, we’re just ventilating.
"Apocalypse Now" lol
I almost thought this was a sarcastic parody of Ben, but, I guess not.
It’s Ben’s perspective, obviously impacted with his personal feelings for KP, I can respect that, without necessarily agreeing with all the characterizations of everyone else, particularly the demonization of PA, a guy who has put a lot more into this franchise than KP.
Why fire KP ?
I don’t know. He seemed to be doing a great job. i guess he screwed up in some way, perhaps some way he appreciates not having publicized. This notion that it is solely some arbitrary psychotic whim of the owner is doubtful to me. He go fired. Beats resigning. He gets a years pay, right, his reputation aparently untainted. He will survive. Best wishes.
Why fire him on draft day ?
Well, maybe, they just kept him to use his proven strength – draft day – for which he is presumably preparing, and collecting a paycheck for, all year: and, announcing it BEFORE the actual draft picks kills all the possible speculation that he “failed to pass the draft day test”, not to mention, absolves our innocent, optimistic, new draftees of all guilt in the dismissal of the GM.
Maybe, we can move on now. I was a lot more upset about the Oden draft than this. Ben got by that. Hopefully this “catharsis” will allow a return to more reasonable programming.
What happened draft day. KP is gone, as expected. No major moves, got some nice prospects. I like Martell, but he will probably get a more prominent role on his new team, and hopefully flourish – incidentally giving us more cap space. The summer is just warming up, folks.
Relax
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
by Berkeley on Jun 25, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
too wound up
Ben the passion is good but this is overboard. KP and his agent’s actions made this about the only path for the Blazers. If his agent was quiet and not so self serving this would have be a personel change later in the summer. Blazeredge is great for the quality of the comments but seems to be trying to out scream the Oregonian.
by behindpaul on Jun 25, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
good read on cnnsi about it
At least we know who isn’t getting the job. I feel bad for everyone in this. Both sides Paul had to let him go after months of this but the choice of timing! I hope they take their time and find a great leader for this young team. I would love to see Jerry west come in or Jackson if he is done coaching.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/06/24/blazers.pritchard.ap/index.html?eref=sihp
Blazers being moved to Seattle?
I cant find any info on this, but apparently my mother in law read this in the paper today. Not sure if it was the Oregonian, or the Statesman
Anyone else heard this horribly stupid rumor. I really hope it is just a rumor I would be so pissed if this ever happened
possibly a Canzano article?
the high improbability of the Blazers breaking their extremely long contract with the city of Portland has already been discussed to death around these parts, so I won’t repeat it. Rest assured that the Blazers aren’t going anywhere in the near future.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
It would be a maneuver of epic proportions to break the lease the blazers have with the RG. Not gonna happen. This is a rabid fanbase that makes them money. Blazers aren't going anywhere.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Jun 25, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Ben!
What I love about you is that you represent we little guys as a fan and then write about it. I really didn’t want objectivity on this issue. I wanted passion…as if I was there experiencing the emotion, watching the meltdown and hearing the not so forthcoming answers to questions. Thanks for representing us so brilliantly and allowing us to feel as if we are present at the party!
FYI take from Scott Howard Cooper: Blazers’ sad sense of timing makes them Draft night losers
wake me in 2011
Media questions for Miller and McMillan
Why didn’t the media ask Miller and McMillan if they’re concerned that they could be fired and treated just as Pritchard had? Maybe a better way, to phrase it…hey Nate, Paul Allen’s on the phone, oh you’re on the way to a family funeral OK, Paul just needs a second…sorry about the timing Nate but your fired thanks for supposed great service I could give s…t if you feel my new is ill timed.
Can't wait
Till a division rival hires Pritchard and he Pritch slaps our team. Were the laughing stock of the league right now. I hate sports.
so you want to see your favorite team just go all the way to rock bottom? Turn into a bunch of losers who get destroyed by a venomous, hate-filled Kevin Pritchard?
Interesting…
I'm a Greg Oden honk, yeah.
Even when I was still a Sonic fan, I liked Oden more than Kevin Durant.
by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT
by Tyler Durrden on Jun 25, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a very long conversation with one of the ticket reps today
He said he’d rather that I not post the exchange, and I’m going to respect his wishes, but it was the most I’ve seen come from the team. I had originally written to say I wasn’t interested in ticket packages, and he wrote me back with an open and honest dialogue. Kind of surprising, considering how it’s gone up to this point.
That said, it’s clear the team cares, and that this is between PA and KP. So I guess it’s time to let them do their thing, cheer for the Blazers, and go grill some meat up in the sunshine.
I like this article for the same reason I like Brian Wheeler
It represents how I feel at the moment, and Ben nailed it.
Now you are being deliberately obtuse
by Mortimer on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM PDT
It's Paul's team
Pretty opinionated today Ben. I just don’t agree with all the disaster references. Completely overblowing this.
Really??
Miller says this is the same review process the Blazers go through every year. This year it just had a different outcome which was not pre-ordained before the Allen-Pritchard meeting. How dumb does does he think we are? The Vulcans hired a search team months ago to find GM candidates of interest. Most firms don’t hire search firms until they know someone is gonzo.
regis18
I don't agree with Ben's scrutiny of the KP picks
I thought that the Babbitt pick was just what the doctor ordered. We don’t need a defender at the 3 position because we HAVE a defender at the 3. What we needed was a shooter/scorer who could spread the floor (Mike Miller type.) I think Ben will eat his words on that analysis as there was very little to it in the first place.
Did Ben forget that we have 4 centers? Babbitt’s lack of foot speed means nothing on this team. His jumper will mean much more.
Nice to have a little more athleticism in the back court with Williams and Johnson. But The log jam has me worried. Would have preferred Crawford over WIlliams.
I mean the dude THREW DOWN on LBJ! DRAFT HIM!
we have 4 centers?
We do?
Oden is a center
Joel, when healthy, is a center
Camby is a PF who can play some center on defense, but offensively he’s a forward
LMA should’ve never been a center, injuries made him the only option
Those first 3 guys have trouble staying healthy, so reducing their number only leads to front court emergencies, like last December-February
FWIW, I wouldn’t have drafted another young/project center this year, but I wouldn’t have drafted 2 lefthanded combo guards, either
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
hm...I got nothing but respect for Ben's framing of this - dude you did a good job
describing what it felt like to be in the room with the dead elephant – - being on site with the team near daily will give perspective that the rest of us don’t have…as a virtual outsider, I don’t think Ben overstated much..also..on my own 2 cents…
to me KP was the guy who could calm the place down – act as intermediary between team and caoaches and owners and agents..like when sergio was pouting…or rudy…he was there for the guys ..upbeat…best communicator of the gang there…the void left is HUGE considering the lack of skill in those areas as re-demonstrated by their handlng of this…crappy handling of this whether or not it was to the ultimate good of the franchise…
and just cause PA has been successful in computers and (perhaps) in managing his microsoft dollars, doesn’t mean he knows much of anything about basketball – I don’t believe it is PA’s true goal to win chmpionships – only to have a decent enough team to maintain fan interest while continuing to not cost too much, and making him feel like one of the cool guys on the block…
KP dating Blazers dancer prob did as much to undermine him than anything – but I would also look to KP treating PA’s “toy” too much like his own as the core problem
I will now sit and wait for some nasty virus to invade my computer and fry my hard drive
this space for rent
Things we know for sure
1. Prior to KP, our franchise was a disgraced mess (Jail Blazers Era, lots of huge/bad contracts, most given to mediocre players or head case players). In the two years before KP began to assume front-office duties, we went 27-55 and then 21-61.
2. KP has been responsible or near-responsible for the acquisitions of Roy, Aldridge, Bayless, and Batum; none of those guys “fell into his lap,” per se (had to trade up for all of them on draft day, and it’s worth pointing out that he gave up nothing of real significance).
3. The Blazers are now more popular in Portland than they’ve been since the Drexler Era, thanks in no small part to the likable young core from Point #2 (again, all of whom were legitimately acquired by KP).
4. Win totals for the Blazers since KP’s hiring: 32, 41, 54, 50 (and that 50 would have been much higher had it not been for an absurd amount of injuries).
5. The two drafts prior to KP’s front office tenure were complete disasters. In 2004, we drafted Telfair over Jameer Nelson (as well as Al Jefferson and Josh Smith, btw), and then Viktor Khryapa and Sergei Monia in back-to-back picks over Delonte West, Kevin Martin, and Anderson Varejao. In 2005, we traded from #3 to #6 in a five-player draft, passing up Deron Williams and Chris Paul to take Martell, who did turn out to be a bust when you take his draft position and overall statistics into account. Since 2006, though, every draft has been flawless (unless you want to call Oden’s career over after 3 seasons).
Basically, here’s my take: I could care less what goes on behind the scenes, if KP is bad-mouthing Allen or taking too much credit for the Blazers’ success or cheating on his girlfriend with Paul Allen’s wife or whatever. I would rather have an NBA championship over a happy front office 100 billion times over. If Paul Allen really, seriously cared about the Portland Trail Blazers winning an NBA championship, he would have settled his differences with Pritch and kept him. But he didn’t. Right now, all of these “In Defense of Paul Allen” threads make me laugh out loud. Until any hard news comes out, Allen is definitely under the microscope, not KP. Because it was a laughably awful decision to fire a GM that has basically turned the franchise around, and was lauded and praised around the league by nearly every objective writer and executive, especially when you take into account that about 90% of NBA GMs are complete morons. This decision is going to hurt us, and it might hurt us bad. Paul Allen, you got some ’splainin to do.
P.S.: Thanks for everything KP. Hope you find success and happiness elsewhere.

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