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Draft Day Analysis

It was certainly an eventful Draft Day, somewhat for the wrong reasons.  But let's talk about the on-court stuff first.

The Blazers made three moves today:

 

  1. Traded Martell Webster to Minnesota for 16th pick Luke Babbitt and power forward Ryan Gomes. 
  2. Drafted Memphis shooting guard  Elliot Williams with the 22nd pick.
  3. Drafted Nevada point guard Armon Johnson with the 34th pick.  (Props to Ben for calling this.)

 

In a podcast a couple weeks before the draft I speculated that one of the viable strategies for Portland to pursue even if they couldn't make a blockbuster deal would be to reset the roster.  In addition to their obvious core duo the Blazers have a number of players about whom they'll need to make decisions in the immediate future.  Bayless, Fernandez, Batum, and Oden all show promise but are also on the cusp of potentially-expensive contracts.  Portland can't keep them all and remain fiscally sound.  Batum and Oden are almost certain to be retained but the other two are bubble guys.  In addition you have Martell Webster's contract sticking out in the middle, ranging from $4.8 million to $5.7 million over the next three years.  When you factor in the potential for luxury-tax-doubling (every dollar the Blazers are over the tax threshold costs them another dollar to the league) contracts that used to look reasonable suddenly become oppressive.  A potential solution to this issue: acquire players with similar skills and potential who will be on rookie scale contracts, allowing 3-4 years to make decisions about them instead of the shorter window of the current crop.

Now look what the Blazers did.

They trade shooter Martell Webster to Minnesota for rookie shooter Luke Babbitt.  He's not an athlete like Martell and is unlikely to be a good defender, which Martell learned to do.  He's not a transition guy.  He's more of a pull-up shooter and less of a spot-up guy, which may bode ill if he can't muster the quickness to get free from a defender.  But he's cheap and he's slated to play behind Nicolas Batum, which amounts to about 12 minutes per game under ideal circumstances.  Babbitt is not going to be as helpful as Webster was but for practical purposes he may be an acceptable fit on the court and he's a much better financial fit.

The Blazers also pick up Ryan Gomes in the trade.  Gomes allows them to go three ways.  He's serviceable as an offensive-minded reserve forward.   He'll not defend and he's not the greatest rebounder but he can score and fill minutes.  Keeping him is the least likely option though.  His contract runs three years but is not fully guaranteed.  He'd be owed $1 million for each of the next two years if waived, which means the Blazers could release him on the cheap or trade him to another team who could do so.  His official salary of $4.2 million is a nice bridge for trading purposes.  It's a no-fault acquisition.

Then the Blazers draft Williams who is a 6'4" scoring guard who is tough, gets in the lane (albeit in one-handed fashion), and draws fouls.  His length allows a little defensive promise to show through.  He can shoot but it's a skill to work on.  Sound like anybody you know?

Point guard Armon Johnson in the second round has a big body and is described as explosive.  Sound like anybody you know?

It can (and should) be argued that the Blazers used this draft to get poor man's versions of players they already have.  But the Blazers are poor men, or are at least watching their financial waistline.  Right now they're going to throw these guys against the wall and see if any of them stick.  If they do then the Blazers are alleviated of the obligation to pay Rudy Fernandez or Jerryd Bayless (having already lost Webster's contract).

Should this draft set your toes curling and your heart on fire?  It should not.  In fact from a fan's perspective this is one of the more mundane, if not disappointing, roads the team could take.  But apparently other roads were closed to them, at least for now, and this is a path that makes sense from their perspective.  You may or may not see more immediate moves as a result of this day but they will come.  Martell is gone.  Rudy is on his way out the door.  Though it may take another year Bayless could become expendable...or at least the bar is firmly set for him to produce.  These picks were a contingency against (or allowing) all of those things.

Now to the KP firing.  I argued a few weeks ago that while Paul Allen had the right to fire his General Manager if he so chose, the timing of the move was questionable.  It should have been done immediately upon conclusion of the season or after the draft.  Here you see why.  The Blazers took a big PR hit and overshadowed their own draft, which should have been the most exciting day of the off-season.  It was exciting alright, but not as they planned.  This is exactly why timing and doing things in a smart, professional manner matters.

The brush paints the other way at the same time, though.  One of the huge questions of the day is, "WHY?"  If you look at Pritchard's overall performance you have to be impressed.  There's little doubt he'll find another job in this league, probably quickly.  The dismissal can't have been for job performance alone.  Rumors are swirling about relational issues, professionalism, and specifically KP stumbling over his own tendency to communicate too much in the wrong ways.  Paul Allen apparently fired Pritchard on draft day.  That wasn't a wise move.  But the story broke half an hour before the draft.  That timing wasn't accidental.  It was designed to make the maximum impact, create the most emotion possible.  And that timing wasn't Allen's.  I'm fairly sure Allen would have preferred the process as quiet as possible.  The leak came from the Pritchard camp.  Did Kevin have a right to be upset?  I think so.  Is this unfair?  Possibly.  Did Kevin Pritchard or his associates take the highest road possible in this situation?  They did not.  Once again communication became an issue.   What this may or may not say about the rumors of a guy who alienated other GM's through bragging and less-than-skilled repartee is impossible to tell.  But it does make you wonder.

Assuming a firing was in the cards, in an ideal world the Blazers would have fired KP much earlier or a little later than they did.  In an ideal world Pritchard and his camp would have kept mum, done their job, and held a press conference after announcing the news, thanking the organization and claiming that they didn't want to overshadow the event or the fine players selected.  Instead of the ideal world we got a circus again.  If I want the circus I'll buy a ticket.  Whoever comes in here next, it's on ownership now to make sure they're at a great talent level and that the organization runs smoothly enough that we don't see these black spots.  Hopefully there won't be any.  If there are, they should be resolved behind closed doors by ALL parties.

There's a feeling in sports that a General Manager can only hire and fire so many coaches before the finger points towards them as the problem.  In Portland's case we're seeing the same in terms of upper management and GM's.  We've had Bob Whitsitt who started strong but ended up not being able to stop his own tinkering until the franchise was in dire straits.  We had John Nash and Steve Patterson who were hired to clean up the mess but did it in such a way as to alienate everybody in the team's orbit.  Now we've had Kevin Pritchard who from the outside looked brilliant but apparently had issues inside...or at least that's what we're asked to believe.  Assuming that's so, how many chances do you get before the problem is you?  Upper management and Paul Allen both are walking a fine line here.  They have to find somebody who will continue to improve the team on the court, represent adequately off of it, and know enough to stay out of trouble.  But nothing less is going to do at this point.  Even if everything we're being asked to believe is 100% true, we've heard it too many times.  Get it right or find someone who can.     

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) 

P.S.  Someone wrote and asked how much confidence I have in the players Portland drafted.  Babbitt:  low confidence.  I think he's a huge risk and could probably end up being unable to free himself for shots.  Elliot:  middling.  I'm not fond of slightly undersized scoring guards.  Johnson:  I'm probably the most intrigued by him just because of his size.  Gomes was a good get.

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Good luck KP.

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

by doublezeroduck on Jun 24, 2010 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

A little correction

I agree with your point- definitely a trade on the horizon. Just house keeping, but Pendergraph should be listed under your PFs (he’s barely 6’8 in reality). I guess (taking your point), we can just slide Gomes out of there anyway. I think there is some financial value in straight-up waiving him (given his non-guaranteed contract).

by RyanBard on Jun 24, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

the roster as it stands

5: Oden, Camby, Przybilla, Pendergraph
4: Aldridge, Cunningham, Gomes
3: Batum, Babbit
2: Roy, Rudy, Williams
1: Miller, Bayless, Johnson

Mills is out. Howard? That’s 15 guys above. Figure Gomes will be waived if not traded in the next week. Looks like we’ve got a fair amount of duplication at the guards as well. looks like we are set up to trade this summer

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

The problem with Ryan Gomes is that he can't be traded in conjuction with any other players before ...

the date, 6/30/2010, in which his contract becomes fully guaranteed. Also, the partial guarantee in Gomes’ contract is for $1 million next season, $1 million the season thereafter, and $750,000 in its final season. As it is, Dave left out that very last part.

Anyhow, my guess is that Gomes is waived in the next few days. Quite frankly, this team has no need for an undersized, defensively outmatched pick-and-pop 4.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

but he could be traded as part 1 of a 2 part deal

Gomes for X
Y for Z

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but that complicates matters somewhat.

Also, the team is without a GM or capologist at the moment.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

capologist stuff is overrated

it’s not THAT complicated. once you are out of the problem of having to be able to dissect it in 2 minutes because some team is on the draft clock, it’s really just a matter of running the numbers and getting creative.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

tom penn did get a shout on on ESPN tonight

i do say, i feel some moves are in motion already one way or another

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

They were all P.O.‘ed. KP was upset that he was fired. Allen was upset that the story leaked. Miller wasn’t getting in the middle of that.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

But does that surprise you? That’s my whole argument: nobody was being as professional as they could be here and apparently that’s part of the organization’s problem overall. From a strictly human standpoint I can understand it. It wouldn’t have been any fun and there would have been more unsaid than said. No good would have come of it. You’d either get total nastiness or a thousand “no comments” to questions the press would keep asking. But from a professional standpoint you nut up, take the lumps, and do it. That’s part of your career.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Professionalism and doing the right thing WERE part of the public face of the culture

when KP was running the show.

As you seem to imply, KP may have hurt himself leaking the news instead of “taking the high road”, keeping quiet until after the draft, and holding a positive press conference afterwards.

On the other hand, several months of public debacle will mess with your head.

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

I wouldn’t expect KP to have to be at the presser anyway. In fact I’m satisfied that the Blazers have done their duty sending Miller, Born, and Buchanan out there. Though I don’t expect they’ll say anything useful about the firing.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm somewhat surprised that team president Larry Miller didn't go out there and handle the ...

public relations aspect of this whole ordeal. Good, bad, or otherwise, it’d’ve been more savvy to at least pay lip service to the media and fans rather than seal off everything.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don know how Microsoft got so big right?

What surprises me is that everyone is surprised by Allen’s conduct.

by 7677maniac on Jun 24, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised by it.

Personally, I’m of the viewpoint that Paul Allen and Kevin Pritchard are both to blame for how poorly things were handled here. That’s business, though, so I can’t throw too much vitriol toward either one of them, since I’m out of the loop and just a dude watching things unfold from the outside.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

Isn’t that sort of his job? When the money people and the basketball people get all knotted up, he’s supposed to be the businessman—e.g. the cooler head who rises above and takes care of it.

by atomiccafe on Jun 24, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you work for Microsoft you have to sign a non-disclosure document.

There are good reasons for it, both positive and negative. It seems to me when you’ve gotten you’re billions by behaving in a way some might perceive as deceitful and unethical we should not be surprised if Allen thinks this is good business practice

by 7677maniac on Jun 24, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody is expecting Kevin Pritchard to go run down Paul Allen verbally and set ...

himself up for a lawsuit. Rather, I’d just expect Larry Miller to come out and talk about the draft proceedings — if nothing else — since that’s expected in this case.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

If the blazer’s change from the philosophy they’ve enacted since Pritchard’s arrival it would seem to put into question all of the moves they made the last four or five years.

by 7677maniac on Jun 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That last match was unbelievable

and I only watched the ESPN highlights until it was called after TEN hours.

THAT’s competition.

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course he did

even in the loss, that guy was king for a day. he’s in the record books. losing has to hurt, but in most senses that match was a victory for him.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

by shralpster on Jun 24, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't blame Kevin Pritchard one bit

for ‘leaking’ this story when he did. Paul Allen – the owner of the franchise – deserves all the egg on his face he can get at this point. If he knew he was going to let Pritchard go (which its clear he did…) he should have done it long ago. This is just another embarrassing story our city will have to hear about from the national media. I’ll be tuning my radio out for the next few days, that’s for sure.

by abobo84 on Jun 24, 2010 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

As with the press conference answer above

I’ll say that I understand it from a human standpoint. I think I’d want to do that too. But the point is everybody is supposed to be more professional and less human…no matter what the cost personally.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with being anything other than human

and don’t think taking the “high road” means stoicism.

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best course of action for Kevin Pritchard is for him to seal his lips and hope that he'll get ...

another GM job someday down the line in the tight-knit community of the NBA. Right now, though, my guess is that’ll he head some team’s scouting department in the near future.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think KP will be successful no matter what area of endeavor and anyone sane would be happy to have him, at least as a front man for public relations if not managing.

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

public relations?

after the way this whole thing went down?

"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans

by abdelnaby on Jun 24, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine anyone handling the situation 'more professional' than KP did...

The guy has been jerked around (for lack of a better term) for the last 5 months. He could have done a lot worse than just ‘leak’ the firing when he did. And I totally disagree that this could cost him another job.

by abobo84 on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave, good part on pointing out KP leaked his own firing.

I did not get that from the breaking coverage.

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

it was EVERYWHERE. the initial internet and radio report by quick said it outright, and it was all over BE and twitter as well.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he didn't

Quick said he got the news from someone close to KP

Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

right, that's what I meant

it’s the same thing. the leak came from KP’s camp, thus by definition it came from KP. whehter directly or not, it’s effectually the same thing.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The same thing?

It could mean that or it could mean that someone close to KP thought he was getting a raw deal and wanted it known publicly. Either way, neither of us were there so we don’t know what their motivations were.

Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, some people are working

when I say “I did not get that” emphasis on the “I” as in “I missed it”

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry, didn't mean to be a jerk about it.

just surprising is all. it was all over.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

no worries

I guess I should have written “some people are [supposed to be] working”

:)

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we basically gave away Martell Webster to reduce salary...

as Gomes will likely go elsewhere and Babbit doesn’t look much different than Luke Jackson, which means he’s not playing. Then we got two tweener guards who likely aren’t going to contribute much. This draft did little for the Blazers in terms of adding pieces that will be used next season. Now if they can turn any of these draft picks or Gomes into part of a deal that brings someone who will contribute next season, then we will have gotten better…otherwise, I don’t see how we could say we got better tonight.

by JasonT on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

If Babbitt is another Luke Jackson, then a lot of scouts and media are wrong.

Which wouldn’t be a first, but a lot of people did have him in their top 7-10 and most had him as the best shooter in the draft. He could be better than a lot of people think here.

by Coastie07 on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm....have you watched them both play?

Their games look earily similar. Both are left handed, similar builds, similar athletes, and very similar games. The fact that they are both Luke and white certainly helps with the comparison, but it doesn’t end there.

by JasonT on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another comparison

Funny, reading through this it just dawned on me that they’re both lefties too:-)

And is it not a bit odd that ALL 3 of our new boys are southpaws? Hmmmm

by RyanBard on Jun 24, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Blazer uniforms

designed by Ned Flanders.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leftorium FTW

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly, which is exactly why the Luke Babbitt to Luke Jackson comparisons -- while arguably ...

a worst-case scenario — are a scary thing. Babbitt has his set of concerns, too, especially regarding his porous defense.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe his upside is Larry Bird

Seriously, though, Babbitt does appear to be heavier and bulkier than Luke Jackson. Jackson was always a frail little ragdoll of a player. Babbitt strikes me as having greater mass & solidity.

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by Love on Jun 27, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correction

Looks like Babbitt is only a few pounds heavier than Jackson.

The tawdry and the salacious occupy our time and energy. We do not see the walls falling around us. We invest our intellectual and emotional energy in the inane and the absurd, the empty amusements that preoccupy a degenerate culture, so that when the final collapse arrives we can be herded, uncomprehending and fearful, into the inferno.

by Love on Jun 27, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Radio guys saying press conference getting ready

They say it’s going to be Born and Buchanan?

Possibly Larry Miller?

I think they may shove a ball boy out front to take most of the questions.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a better interview than the ball boy

I’ll take the mic.

INTERVIEWER: “What was the reasoning behind the trade of—”
ME: “KEEP KP!!!! KEEP KP!!!!”

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Twitter updates

on the top of the main page.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

For a more balanced, less panicky look at the KP situation.

volatilelyle.wordpress.com

by almost awesome on Jun 24, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Ya

darn you Dave for taking the wind out of my anger with “reason” and “moderation.”

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by OhOhOden on Jun 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're awesome, Dave.

I mean it. Thanks for consistently offering such fair, objective, and logical insight into the complexities of pro sports.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2010 9:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

If my boss said

“You’re fired, and by the way please do me a favor and don’t tell anyone,” I would definitely tell him to screw off. You don’t have a right to ask favors of someone you’re firing, and if you’re being fired, you don’t have an obligation to be nice to your boss.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

not obligated, no

but the NBA is a very small community. might be in your own best interests to keep your powder dry a few hours.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a fine line, though, for Kevin Pritchard better make sure that he doesn't go defaming Paul Allen by ...

making slanderous comments to the media about his former boss. For Pritchard, my advice would be for him to dust himself off, look at the past being just that (i.e., the past), and go forward with his career.

by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing he'll hit the ground running

considering there are teams out there in need of a GM right now. Plus, he can reunite with Penn potentially.

by Billy Hoyle on Jun 24, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Phoenix and the Clips. Can’t help but think K.P. can’t be K.P. without some rich guy’s money to throw around like confetti. Don’t get me wrong, I love K.P. but that would have to be a shock to the system for him if he landed in either of those places.

by ratzo on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not going to slander

Because if something’s either true, or opinion, it can’t be slander.

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by pualo on Jun 24, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slander? Whatever.

Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

there's a difference

between “don’t tell anyone” and “don’t tell the press”. We don’t know when it was communicated to Pritchard and his team. I’m assuming Born and Buchanan were aware, or at least knew which way the wind was blowing, when they signed their extensions. In PR and HR terms there are reasons to keep a firing or layoff on the downlow during a transition period. Leaking this sort of information to the press is hugely unprofessional, and in some cases (though not here, I wouldn’t say) legally actionable.

"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans

by abdelnaby on Jun 24, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

this still assumes you did nothing wrong

to get yourself fired. We just don’t know if that’s the case or not. They could have been being nice, perhaps KP said let me stay until after the draft so I can show my next boss what I can do.

by twggyy on Jun 24, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big Duke fan here

I’m a fan of Williams, especially at the 22 slot. He’s a terrific slasher, and in that respect, he’s a weapon on offense. He’s undersized, but super long and has excellent quickness, and because of that, I think he will develop into an excellent perimeter defender. Keep in mind that while he’s not a great shooter, he is a good handler, and unlike Bayless, he doesn’t always need the ball to be effective. I might be tempted to try him at the 1 for limited minutes.

I don’t mind this draft, because I wasn’t a huge fan of the depth out there outside the lottery. We got an outside shooter in Babbitt, which we really needed (though he reminds me so much of Luke Jackson that it’s a bit scary, hope he doesn’t bust), and Johnson is a solid value pick as a big PG that shows some potential on both ends. Williams was a great pick to replace Marty as an extra perimeter defender coming off the bench.

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by baseb3383 on Jun 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he's going to play PG for the Blazers

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

a slasher, eh?

This leaves me even more puzzled. I originally thought we’d mold him into the switch-defender point for Brandon but if he’s a slasher their games might intersect too much, leading me to think he really is a backup SG…
I am excited for summer league!

by panfolk on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Might be the fact that lookswise, he resembles Luke Jackson and Adam Morrison.

Which is probably why he didn’t go as high as people thought he deserved. But his shot looks pretty nice and much more consistent than Websters.

by Coastie07 on Jun 24, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what we needed in Webster, a guy with a consistent outside shot

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I worry whenever I see

“questionable athleticism” and “shooter” paired up, especially if he doesn’t favor the spot-up. The jumper is really hard to put in if you’re guarded. I’ve only seen clips of Babbitt though, so I hope my fears are alleviated when he actually plays. The long and short of it is, we don’t need a ton from the guy early. So it’s a good enough pick.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everything I've read about the guy says he is a spot-up shooter

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that

is a critical distinction. If his spot-up game is OK then I’ll have fewer worries.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you there

the “unathletic” pull up shooter is not necessarily a great combo in the NBA…gotta be able to create some space with some speed and hops to be a pull up guy at this level.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is very tall though

6’9" with some quickness, looks like he has enough of a first step to at least get some separation and is crafty enough to create space.

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by baseb3383 on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to beat a dead horse...

but what’s the evidence for “unathletic”? Is it enough evidence the fact that he has a higher recorded vertical jump than any other small forward in this draft?

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

one of the worst 3/4 court times,

slower than the vast majority of centers in the draft, much less SFs, is one indication.

“athleticism” isn’t just about max verts.

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, but...

it’s not just about the full court sprint, either. He beats Aminu, George, Johnson et al. in some of the other tests, they beat him in that one. But he’s the “unathletic” one.

Interesting, that’s all.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

right....

you asked what the evidence is, I offered it. I’m not saying he’s the worst athlete of all time, but he’s clearly challenged in terms of footspeed.

That doesn’t mean he’s definitely gonna suck, but it’s a red flag, dig?

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, I guess.

Can we maybe make it an orange flag? Because otherwise, there are only 2-3 players in this draft who aren’t carrying a red flag, based on one or another of the athletic tests. I’m worried we’ll run out of red flags.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

After John Wall, everybody had significant question marks IMO. And even Wall is coming in with the reputation of being an average shooter at best.

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by baseb3383 on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying it's a reason not to draft him,

but it is a reason to stop trying to pick fights with those who point out he’s got question marks around athleticism.

It’s fair for you to say, “hey he’s not completely unathletic” but it’s not fair for you to imply some sinister unspoken agenda for everyone who notes there’s some reasonable concerns about whether he’s athletic enough to play SF, the most athletic position in a league that spits out guys who can’t handle world class athleticism.

by howlingfantods on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't look explosive on tape

He’s got a decent first step, but I saw him take more fadeaways over defenders instead of taking it to the rack, which is a sign that he’s either not aggressive enough or just doesn’t have the quickness to beat a good defender to the rim. He also doesn’t show lateral quickness on the perimeter on defense, but he is 6’9", so that makes a little sense.

About the only time his athleticism shows up is in transition. He looks pretty capable in that area, and shows some signs of being explosive. Reminds me of Rudy in that respect; explosive in transition but meh elsewhere.

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by baseb3383 on Jun 24, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm at a disadvantage

I’ve only seen him play two full games, so I’ll have to take your word for it on the lateral quickness.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

speed is not everything

the question is, if he is “unathletic” is he crafty enough to get his despite it. It is hard to gage that kind of ability. I am with Dave, if that “unathletic” tag is true, I do have my concerns. he could have the craftiness to counteract that though, I am certainly more than willing to see what he brings.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, his first step is plenty good enough to get separation

I think he’ll be fine. He’s not a slasher by any means, but he can get his own shot if he needs to, and he was shooting deep 3s in college and still hitting 41%. Offensively, he has some room to develop. He’s not an Adam Morrison type player at all; it was obvious Morrison had peaked in college. He’s also a WAY better rebounder, so it’s not like he can’t contribute if his shot is off.

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by baseb3383 on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting this unathletic nonsense?

 Luke Babbitt. scored 37.5 on his vertical, 3.19 second sprint, and on 10.98 lane agility.

He’s a good athlete.

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

the media

Dave mentioned it to Look I do not know much beyond what I have perused since he was picked, I have mostly been chatting on here.

IF that label is at all true AND he is a pull up shooter, I am with Dave, that could be a problem at this level.

If the draft experts are wrong in their assessment, great. If he has a high level of craftiness, great. But if they are correct, it is reasonable to say I have concerns.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have none

that is the meme from the sportswriters though, all i got to work with at the moment

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that and

his college stats and athletic testing #s from the combine.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, don't read that stuff, not enough time in the day

I come to Bedge for the summaries! and some chat

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luckily

I read it for you in my ample spare time, so you now have a legitimate basis on which to get excited about our newest Blazer, rather than burying him under a pile of lazy media cliches and monochromatic comparisons. ;<)

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

All this guy is a back up player who hopefully can hit some 3's

and to do it for less than what we were paying Martell

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

His pre-draft measurements are mostly very good

Vert, body measurements, lane agility, bench presses, etc. Babbitt is more athletic than people give him credit for. Now can he finish around the rim like in college and create separation on dribbles instead of just being a spot-up shooter in the NBA? That remains to be seen.

by Norsktroll on Jun 25, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

All due respect

…are you analyzing him objectively or through angry Paul Allen hate-colored glasses?

Consider:

1) He had REALLY good numbers in college at a decent program;

2) Our scouts and the martyred KP must like him pretty well;

3) He has NBA size; and

4) For a guy with lousy athleticism, he sure can jump and run around. For example, you wouldn’t expect such a lousy athlete to record the highest vertical jump of all small forwards tested at the NBA combine. Or for a guy with such poor lateral quickness to finish third in the agility test. Must be the high basketball IQ, tenacity and good family values, I guess.

Of course, he’s probably an unholy amalgam of Morrison, Scalabrine, Murphy, Powder and Casper the friendly ghost. But don’t we owe it to the kid not to bury him just yet?

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One quible

Good post but he’s showing up as 10th for me in the agility test for SFs on DraftExpres.

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by pualo on Jun 24, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't see that

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2010&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=12

I see him 5th among all players in agility, and 3rd among SFs. Sure you’re not looking at the sprint?

These tests aren’t the be all-end all. I’m always suspicious of guys who have mediocre college careers and then shot up the draft boards based on workouts. But here’s a guy who played great AND tested well.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm an idiot

I was reading higher numbers as better

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by pualo on Jun 24, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the agility test, too, but who knows?

Guess we’ll see if he can play at this level or not. I’m a glass half full guy — I like the draft because I can get excited about the possibilities. So I seize on the reasons to get excited. But that’s me. I agree there are reasons to be pessimistic, too. As there would be about every player in this draft not named John Wall.

Here’s one for you, fan to fan, that concerns me more than 1/10 of a second on a sprint: If Luke and Armon were so good, how come their team wasn’t better? Two NBA players on a MWC team, and they don’t make the tourney? What’s up with that?

There. Food for pessimism, free of charge. Now you owe me one — give me a reason to be excited about one of our newest Blazers.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Babbitt and Johnson

Hawthorne Wingo:

The reason why Nevada wasn’t better is that it was Babbitt and Johnson and nobody else. They lacked size, they lost several players to a shoplifting incident and a party gone wrong. They basically played 6 deep all year, yet still won 20 games yet again. Not to mention beat a previously undefeated-at-home Wichita State team in the postseason. And barely lost to Rhode Island, despite playing their worst game of the season.

I would know, I live in Reno with my sister, who is the Associate AD at Nevada. She’s seen every game that Babbitt and Johnson have played, as she travels with the team and runs the media relations department. And I’ve watched their TV games and many games at Lawlor, including every WAC Tournament game from the media table. That being said…

Babbitt is the real deal. He’s a legit 6’9", has packed on muscle and improved in every category from freshman to sophomore. You can’t argue with 50%-40%-90% shooting averages for a season, and his release point is very high. Combine that with size and a deceptively quick first step, and Luke can get his shot whenever he wants. Plus he is an excellent finisher in the lane. Babbitt also is one of those guys who will score 30 without you even noticing. Several times I watched him have a good game, then noticed he had 30+ points. He just fills it up, and I can’t recall seeing him miss a free throw. My sister swears it has happened, though. Automatic from the charity stripe.

Johnson is ridiculously quick and is an excellent finisher at the rim. He also has a very, very good pull up jumper in the lane. He needs to work on his three point shooting, but he reminds me a bit of Rod Strickland when driving the lane. He somehow finds a way to get to the rim and get it in for two.

Oddly enough, Babbitt came to my work (a golf course) Saturday, and we chatted a little about both him and Armon Johnson going to Portland. Both my sister and I grew up in Hillsboro, and the rest of our family lives in the Portland area. We’re Blazer fans, so its pretty funny that both of Nevada’s recent stars go to Portland, given my sister’s connection to the university. Anyway, Babbitt’s excited to play in PDX. And we’re excited he’s there.

by El Crab on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

While it isn't good that he did poorly in the sprint

Lateral quickness in the agility tests are much more important for a wing.

I think he moves well, for a white dude. Much lighter on his feet and bouncy than Gordon Heyword, for example.

Morty

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by Mortimer on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not like people really sprint full out much in games

Being able to move quickly in all directions is better than speed north and south.

I am not optimistic about his defensive potential from what I have read, and I doubt he’ll get strong enough to body up good SFs. But he does have good length and his lateral quickness timed well in the pre-draft camp. Doing bad in the sprint is like doing bad in the bench press— you’d rather they did well but it isn’t something that one really needs as long as they aren’t Brad Miller slow or Yi Jian-Lian weak.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 25, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

fast breaks, defending the fast breaks,

not being able to contest offensive boards since you need to get back to prevent leak outs. It matters.

by howlingfantods on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah... of course it matters

I think it’s pretty obvious no one is saying it “doesn’t matter”. But not nearly as much as agility.

Just for fun, a quick comparison— he sprinted faster than Kevin Durant by .05, and was over a second faster in the agility drill. Jeff Green sprinted .06 faster than Babbitt, but Babbitt (again) was a second faster in the agility drill and has quite a bit better standing reach (Jeff Green sucks, but it’s just for comparison).

Comparing to recent forwards drafted, his agility drill is quite a bit better than most; often by over a second. His sprinting is either equal or a lil’ under. Not by that much though.

His measurements are good, his agility test similar to shooting guards, his footspeed not great— but footspeed is less important than agility, length, standing reach, and quickness. When a SF can’t handle the position, it ain’t because he can’t sprint fast enough. It’s usually because they aren’t long enough or quick enough.

So yes, foot speed matters, but reeeeaaaaalllly not that much compared to the rest. I dunno how good this kid will be, but nitpicking footspeed is silly. Everything else measures and tests well.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

copy paste

I’m not saying it’s a reason not to draft him, but it is a reason to stop trying to pick fights with those who point out he’s got question marks around athleticism.

It’s fair for you to say, "hey he’s not completely unathletic" but it’s not fair for you to imply some sinister unspoken agenda for everyone who notes there’s some reasonable concerns about whether he’s athletic enough to play SF, the most athletic position in a league that spits out guys who can’t handle world class athleticism.

by howlingfantods on Jun 25, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might have question marks about his overall athleticism

Checking his sprint time is a goofy way to check it.

And I should add I am not the sort who loves to overrate white players who put up scoring numbers in college. I was pleasantly surprised by his measurements and agility time.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 25, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very fair Dave

We all loved KP but there were issues on his end. His ego is more of a problem than any of us realized. He did a great job of adhearing himself to the local media as well. The same local media who is always ready for the consperiacy theories.

This probably will save Canzono’s radio show. That is the biggest shame of all.

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by Blazer Ninja on Jun 24, 2010 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sick of thinking about Pritchard. I don't watch the Blazers to see or think about him.

That’s over.

I would much rather contemplate the 2010-11 team. But the draft is somewhat confusing, insofar as it seems obvious there are other moves still to be made. The picture is incomplete.

In any case, all that’s really going to determine the fate of this team is Greg Oden’s head and his health, and even once the season starts none of us are going to be without anxiety however well he plays. Not until he plays for some time.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 24, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, people will be holding their breath everytime he is on the floor for at least two full seasons

again, expect to miss 20ish regular season games a year, Just avoid the season ending injury please, please, please

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember being impressed by Nevada in the 2 or 3 games I saw this season, very aggressive team

So I am with Dave on the intrigued bit there.

So here are our players

C Oden
C Pryzbilla
C/PF Camby
C/PF Pendegraph
PF Aldridge
PF/SF Cunningham
F Gomes
F Babbit
SF Batum
SG Roy
SG Fernandez
SG Williams
PG/SG Bayless
PG Miller
PG Johnson
PG Mills

So somebody is going somewhere or getting cut. I do think we will miss Webster’s D more than people think.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

won't be tendered an offer sheet

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by douglast on Jun 24, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

for some reason i thought he had a multiple year

but since he doesn’t you are right on..

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think there is another shoe to drop

 The Iggy rumors still could have some merit, the whole pryz, bayless, fernandez thing, maybe hang on to rudy and send babbit and gomes over to philly in his stead, in any event, there is indeed another shoe to drop in the days ahead

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I dunno. Iggy is very expensive.

Assume that Oden actually plays well, and we end up extending him for something like star caliber money next year. We could easily find ourselves with 4 players taking up 50-60 million in salary in a couple of years.

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

I have never dug into the salary cap universe so I am unfamiliar with how that stuff goes…

Of course Batum will be needing a new deal the season after Greg too..

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup.

Of course, if Oden and Batum become fantastic multiple all-star level players, I think PA gladly pay.

The log in the punchbowl really salary cap wise is LMA’s deal. We just way overpaid for him, in a league where one bad salary can cost you good players down the line.

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

my ultimate obsession with that deal is the nice clean 8 man rotation

with hustle minutes for a guy like Dante.

I prefer tight rotations with 5 “postion specialists” as starters and 3 tweeners as backups. Oden, aldridge, Batum, Roy, Miller as our position guys, Camby (C/PF), Iggy (PF/SF), bayless (PG/SG) as our principal tweener backups, Dante as our hustle guy, and a spot up shooter get the other minutes.

I know you could start an iggy and bring batum on, but, like I said I kinda dig tweeners off the bench.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Gomes can't be packaged in a trade with another player.

Yet, with that said, there could be something like a two-part trade in which Gomes goes to the Philadelphia 76ers for Willie Green to supplement the first deal of Joel Przybilla, Jerryd Bayless, and Rudy Fernandez — along with the draft rights to Armon Johnson — for Andre Iguodala.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5571614
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5571616

The 76ers would promptly waive Gomes, who wouldn’t get any minutes there behind its forward rotation of Elton Brand, Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, and Andres Nocioni. The 76ers would have a cluttered mess at the guards, however, with Rudy Fernandez and Louis Williams most likely starting, Jerryd Bayless and Jrue Holiday probably coming off the bench, and Johnson as its fifth wheel.

by AK1984 on Jun 25, 2010 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It just seems strange that Nate has a prediliction for spotting guys up

and Fernandez has had a sort of falling out with the org why we did nt really get any spot up players. None of the guys are noted for spot up shooting, a couple more finish at the rim type guards, a little wierd to me…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Look at the bright side...

if this draft blows up everybody can blame the firing of KP

by ralphzillo on Jun 24, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

hard to see how this "blows up". I mean what do we expect,

Martell’s finally going to become a halfway decent player? Riight.

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think we will mss Martell's defense

while he never seemed to able to shake the rep he earned in his first few years as a poor defender he really stepped it up the last two season’s he played.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was ok. Not exactly a stopper.

It’s just too easy to get a player around as good as martell to be that worried about giving him up. Kahn giving up actual mid first round picks and another rotation player around as good as Martell on a better contract is actually a pretty good illustration of just how completely incompetent that guy is.

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Especially in the stretch run, he shut a couple of guys down. He was huge on the defensive end multiple times late in the year. I really do think people just refused to see it.

I am a Portland transplant and did not really start following the Blazers until the Jail Blazer era ended ( I came hereat its peak…not good for creating a new fan that is for sure. I remember getting some 10th row seats to a game with a long time Blazer fan, Webster was just blanketing guys, moving them back, keeping his hands in the passing lanes, not letting guys by him, I was actually cheering him on for his D, not really knowing his history.

The long time Blazer fan remarked that Webster is notoriously bad on D. I watched the rest of that season and he was very solid all year. The worse thing for him was losing that season with Batum stepping in. I mean I am not complaining about finding out about Batum, but it was Websters chance to shake the old perception.

This year he was even better and still no one has given him much credit. I know with the upcoming salary issues the move makes sense, but I still think his D will be missed more than people expect.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

 I think he was pretty good, though not elite.

I liked him as a player and will miss having him on the team. Almost too content to blend in, though.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 24, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

People were asking me from Ohio if the Bazers would go after an Evan Turner

I was like “I hope not”. They went “what you don’t like Turner”. I was all “that’s not it, but we got the coolheaded levelheaded player down, we need a hot head or two out there”

So i get the content to blend issue

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

We needed Webster for his outside shooting

yeah it’s nice and all that he stepped it up on defense but we needed him to put points up

Nic Batum’s who is the defensive player at SF

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two small forward defensive types are pretty valuable

2 guys that could swing between defending 3 or 4 positions, come on, there is value in that.
Again I do not disagree with the move, I just am saying his contribution was undervalued and it will be missed.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was way too inconsistent with his defense and offense

Martell’s playing time was solely dependent on Nic and not his defensive capabilities. If Luke Babbitt can make some three’s then were going to be fine.

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And in the addition by subtraction area Nate won't be tempted now to split the minutes

24-24 or 26-22 or whatever. Batum will get 35-39 while Babbitt will get 9-13 and the crowd will go crazy if he hits anything like one 3 a game.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 24, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once again I am not saying it was not the right move

MOVING MARTELL WAS THE RIGHT MOVE

That still does not mean his contributions were undervalued.

The fact that you keep coming back with the same complaints sort of makes my point about him being undervalued. That said moving him was the right move.

It was the right move.

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think KP was right to leak.

First, he is a principal and certainly has every right to talk about his own life. Second, if he kept it quiet it might seem like he was fired for doing something wrong in the draft. Finally, bad news gets worse if not disclosed right away. If not right away, then when?

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by Kampeska on Jun 24, 2010 10:06 PM PDT reply actions  

"What this may or may not say about the rumors of a guy who alienated other GM's through bragging and less-than-skilled repartee is impossible to tell. But it does make you wonder."

Hmmmm… KP was brash… no doubt about it… Maybe Allen understood KP burned too many front office bridges to be an effective GM moving forward..??

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by Bump22 on Jun 24, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Good post.

Nice to have at least one Portland writer who’s not freaking out and pontificating like mini-canzanos.

I’m still kind of surprised and mystified about this whole thing. But the thing I’m not doing is assuming that PA and crew are insane maniacs who are firing someone who’s obviously skilled at his job for no reason, and I don’t make it a habit to take sides when I don’t know what the score is.

I’m not surprised exactly but I am kind of disappointed at all the writers, bloggers, and fans who are taking sides.

by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah, I have been pointing out there could be a million reasons

and we have no idea. The situation you just described is one that I did not consider, but does make sense. There may have been a move Allen wanted but we got shut out of because of that KP rep with other GM’s

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the mini-canzanos

I had some for lunch the other day. – Elgin

GOP in HD

by 22baylor on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

no no those are Calzones dude

mini-canzanos = much unnecessary heartburn…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 25, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

so dave,

have you heard THE WHOLE STORY with kevin and PA and are just unable to talk about it for whatever reasons?

by Captain fruit on Jun 24, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Ha!

No, because the first thing I’d do is encourage Paul to tell it, or at least say something.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

My main favorite sports team is baseball's Royals

And we’ve spent the last 15 years saddled with a seemingly apathetic owner here in KC. That largely puts things into perspective with PA from my standpoint.

Guillen has been a baseball magnet lady.

by KeepItCopacetic on Jun 24, 2010 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Or the Padres

Get good…get good…get good…FIRE SALE!

At least the Marlins have the decency to win a title before they let all their players go.

Your point is well-taken.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 24, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about the Raiders and Al Davis?

Plenty of ways to be a horrible owner.

Logical descriptions of complex worlds contain within themselves the seeds of their own limitation. A world that was simple enough to be fully known would be too simple to contain conscious observers who might know it.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good story Dave...

I like KP and will always remember his contribution to transforming the team from, “jail blazers” to the quality group of guys we watch now. But…

Isn’t it possible that while he is a great character guy maybe he just wasn’t the GM to take us from up and coming to contender?

Isn’t it possible that he and Penn really DID do something that fractured the relationship that hasn’t been discussed publically by Allen or the rest of the organization?

Isn’t it possible that KP had some limitations as far managing a team past talent evaluation and draft day?

Isn’t it possible this evolution was necessary for the Blazers growth and that maybe the powers that be saw the beginnings of decline and decided to make a move before the Whittsitt type regression started?

It is obvious that this was handled very poorly but i don’t have enough real facts to blame either party in this soap opera. Maybe some day we will know the truth but until we do I’m not going to judge.

What I do know is that in all honesty, as much as I like and respect KP, if we win the title or become a consistent contender with another GM I’ll REALLY like the new guy!

by Ilikeemall on Jun 24, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Reccing the hell out of this

Would you believe (sit down for this bombshell) that Paul Allen has internet access? And the computers at Vulcan have access to insider websites like ESPN.com, Yahoo.com, and even gasp BlazersEdge? They get how popular he is and they are fully aware of the positive moves he’s made. For them to put all that aside and just jettison the guy, it just doesn’t make sense unless there was a piece we didn’t know. The timing of the announcement only solidifies this reasoning for me.

Keep in mind that maybe the one constant from the Pritchard regime was that nothin’, but nothin’, came out of that camp to the media without his say-so. That’s why we haven’t heard the other side of this thing. All we know about KP is what KP wants you to know about KP. His hard work, his dedication, his commitment to excellence. That’s all great, but there’s always a flipside. Just because we’re not hearing about it doesn’t mean it’s not there.

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by rivetz on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ryan Gomes

While early signs point to Portland waiving or moving Gomes – and I’d love to have him back in Boston – if Blazers do decide to keep him, I’ll bet you won’t regret it. While it’s less than ideal from a player development standpoint, I expect he’d be the first forward off the bench ahead of Babbit and Cunningham. He’s a savvy “big 3” with a nice midrange game and a great sense of spacing. (Worth mentioning that he was excellent playing off a ball-dominating Pierce early in his career and could similarly thrive next to Roy.)

And although he has more than his fair share of bad match-ups on the defensive end, he’s a solid system defender who’s just happened to play on young, losing teams – he closes out hard, makes good rotations, will rebound.

He’s also a class act – was respected throughout the Celtics organization, top to bottom, and my sense is he was similarly well-liked in Minnesota.

Just my 2 cents. Love the site. Good luck next season.

by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the insight

I too see him as more of a 3 than a 4. Glad to hear that he is a class act too – we like that kind here in Portland. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Jun 25, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

too bad wal, truner, or favers werent avalable

Seriously, dude, what was that.

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by rivetz on Jun 24, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Turner

but we have the coolheaded levelheaded player nailed, I ould like to see a little more of the hot head type.

Quite intensity rocks, we got got scads of that though…

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by PDXBuckeye on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Portland would address its backup PF

need in the draft, but it looks like they’re full of guards. Is there a banger in the D-League we can sign?

by torsoheap on Jun 25, 2010 3:43 AM PDT reply actions  

We could use Gomes

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by pualo on Jun 25, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

A little harsh on the draft picks?

Maybe they should have drafted LeBron, Kobe, and Dwight Howard with these picks, hmm?
What I have seen of Babbitt I’ve liked. He shoots well with a hand in his face and his step-back maneuver is well crafted. Frankly, his form speaks of a man that has always had to learn to get his shot. While Webster did become an above average defender at times, there’s a great defender already playing that position, and he’s getting most of the minutes. We’re filling a hole here, not redefining the small forward position.
If speculation bears true that Rudy will be departing, Babbitt may fill most of that role too. Sure, he’s not nearly as sexy as Rudy, but he can shoot the semi-open 3.

by Mackerel on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Rudy is an NBA bust

I can’t see any team really coveting Rudy.

We’ll see about the Babbster.

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by Love on Jun 27, 2010 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

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