2010 NBA Draft: Draft Day Afternoon Chatter
This post will have rolling updates throughout the afternoon. We kick it off with a surprising move involving a player that has been in trade rumors to Portland for years. Ric Bucher reports...
The Chicago Bulls have a deal in place that would move Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Washington Wizards, fr eeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary players on this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of the Bulls' plans said Thursday.
It wasn't immediately clear what Washington would send to Chicago in the trade.
This gives Washington 3 first round picks so you figure they might not be done yet today. Are there enough minutes for John Wall, Gilbert Arenas, and Kirk Hinrich, or is another deal coming? For Chicago, the salary dump benefit is obvious as they prepare to potentially land two big names in free agency.
Like New Orleans's reported attempt to tag Mo Peterson's contract into a deal for its draft pick, this rumored trade is another sign that trading up this year is going to come with a stiff price. Hinrich's contract is cumbersome and the Bulls would no doubt rather have the free cap space than any of the Blazers bench players or expiring contracts back in return. It's starting to look more and more difficult for the Blazers to move up with the pieces they're willing to move and the pieces that others are attempting to unload.
Update (1:29 PM)
Jonathan Givony writes...
New Orleans - Oklahoma City trade (18+21 for 11) deal not going to happen I hear. OKC is talking to Memphis and Toronto about it now instead
Another bad sign for Portland. If OKC is getting shut down with their available assets (cap space, multiple first round picks), Portland is further squeezed out with its assets (Rudy, first round pick, second round pick, expiring contracts).
Givony writes that Houston is another pick that's being offered up now and writes...
Portland-Toronto Rudy Fernandez trade is "dead." Not happening. Portland is continuing to be very active, as is Oklahoma City.
The Oregonian's NBA Insider Mike Tokito writes...
If Hinrich to Wiz goes, anyone wanna float Arenas-to-Portland rumor? No way in heck it happens, but would be fun to watch the reaction.
No comment.
Update (2:09PM)
Brian T. Smith says check back later...
Blazers are still exploring several draft day-related possibilities, source says. Nothing new has arisen in last few hours, though.
Update (2:17 PM)
Miami continues to make moves to keep up in the cap space clearing arms race. David Aldridge writes that they are looking to restructure James Jones's contract and...
In addition, center Joel Anthony reportedly is willing to exercise a free agent clause in his contract, which would get his $885,000 salary off of Miami's books as well, though Anthony might re-sign with Miami for a lower first-year amount.
No real impact on Portland with that one, but the major narrative emerging this afternoon is that a small number of teams are slashing and burning beyond expectations in preparation for July 1.
Update (2:25 PM)
Here's a blockbuster rumor regarding Indiana's 10th pick from Adrian Wojnarowski...
Pacers and Nets discussing trade to send package including Danny Granger and 10th pick for Devin Harris, Yi and No. 3 pick, sources tell Y!
The Pacers would trade up to third spot to draft Derrick Favors. No deal imminent, and source says Nets interest is "lukewarm" on it.
Danny Granger and Brook Lopez would make a mighty enticing duo for prospective max free agents and no Derrick Favors in New Jersey would open things up for runs at Carlos Boozer or Amar'e Stoudemire. For Indiana, they'd finally have the young point guard they've been looking for and would have a nice, young building block in Favors but they would be giving up their franchise player to do it. It's hard to picture Indiana pulling the trigger on that one unless they know something about Granger that we don't or they are really, really high on Favors (which some teams around the league are).
If deals like that are being discussed, is anyone even answering Pritchard's Rudy Fernandez phone calls?
There's been a lot of posturing going on with that third pick. Definitely possible that this rumor is coming from New Jersey with the goal of increasing the asking price for the right to take Favors.
Update (3:03 PM)
The latest Chad Ford mock draft is up. He now has the Blazers passing up Kevin Seraphin for Daniel Orton.
Also, a quick reminder: The Blazers' former Vice President of Basketball Operations Tom Penn will be the designated capologist on ESPN's broadcast tonight. Should be awesome.
I'm headed over to the Practice Facility. The next update will come from there.
Update (3:48 PM)
Brian T. Smith says keep waiting...
No new movement for Blazers in last couple hours, source says.
Joe Freeman says the same thing...
Last I heard from inside the Blazers' war room ... they're still investigating possible deals but nothing was imminent.
Andy Katz of ESPN writes...
Lots of teams are calling Atlanta for its pick -- New York Knicks, Dallas, Portland and Cleveland -- but Hawks keeping pick.
Blazers owner Paul Allen's dark SUV is parked in front of the Practice Facility with bodyguard (driver?) dressed in dark clothing in the hot sun standing watch.
There were zero people outside the Practice Facility supporting Kevin Pritchard at 3:30 PM. However, three people sat on a bench in front of the health clinic across the street, presumably waiting for a car to pick them up.
The mood among the media gathered here is much calmer and looser than less year. A sign of low expectations, perhaps.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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He should be a good mentor for Wall
I’d expect that the Wizards probably packaged Nick Young in the deal. Just a hunch. It’s odd they wanted to get rid of their first-round pick as badly as they did.
Barrett: You are going to score 35 tonight.
Bayless: Ya think?
MB off by only four, my oh my.
Financially it makes little sense for the Wizards, though
Now they have a lot of money tied to their backcourt, and i’m not sure I’d be happy playing the combo of Wall and Hinrich in sets. Odd move on their part. Good decision by Bulls.
Barrett: You are going to score 35 tonight.
Bayless: Ya think?
MB off by only four, my oh my.
3 Starter-caliber point guards
zing.
Arenas gets traded, Hinrich plays a MEAN 6th man on a mediocre team.
I'm gonna be the only A-hole that owns a Nic Batum jersey that doesn't live in France. Awesome.
and Kirk can play the 2 a bit as well.
still don’t get it, but I guess they do.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Wonder if Washington is going to trade the 1st pick?
Seems strange to trade for a PG with a big contract, when you’ve already got a PG with a HUGE contract, and you are planning to draft a PG… That #1 pick would be INCREDIBLY valuable in this draft. They could get someone to take on Arenas with that #1, and still get a couple good draft picks back, start Hinrich next year, add a couple more decent rookie salary players.
That would shake things up a bit…
Portland should make that deal.
Trade all our expiring contracts for Arenas and Wall, and eat the massive cost.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
cap status estimates
Miami is sitting at 27,487,857 for 4 players and 7 roster charges, and counting Wade at a new max deal (16.5) and Jones only at his guaranteed amount.
Chicago is sitting at 25,692,600 for 5 players and 6 roster charges (not counting anythng for Richard and Kurz, though Story has them both as partially guaranteed for 10-11).
Two max players is roughly 33 million. If the cap comes in at 55, then Chicago has 29.307 in room, and Miami has 27.512 in room. Both are still a ways short of two max deals.
Miami would need to dump Beasley for nothing, or Beasley and Jones for a player making around a million.
Chicago needs to lose Gibson and Johnson for nothing, or trade Deng.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
That Miami figure includes Wade's current contract
… which means that they can easily add the second max if Wade resigns, and then a close-to-max contract as a third.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
my number included a reduced figure for Wade - the rougly 16.5 that a new max deal would start at.
when I say they are short of two max players, I mean two additional max players, not including Wade.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
any interest in Deng or Beasley?
Both could be literally given away in July. We’d have to get a 3rd team involved to take back our players, because neither Chicago or Miami want them, but maybe the 3rd team would rather have we could offer instead of either of those guys.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
no
I haven’t been interested in Deng since the RLEC days, and that was in a package with Cap’n Kirk
Beasley? less than meh
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
kind of the same, especially on Beasley
Deng would be interesting if not for his contract width and length.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
i thought that said less than meth haha
you are less interested in beasley than you are in meth…i would tend to agree with that sentiment
Let's not float the arenas to portland rumor
because that would be weird…
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 24, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
after that memorial coliseum/beavers/timbers debacle last year, we can be sure Portland will have a tough time getting any arenas
dinasour type of guys choir boys
ohhhhhhh
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 24, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, Pritch's last slap square across Allen's face, we'd all love it too much!
Right back to our JailBlazers name he built us out of. While at the same time giving us a 2nd potential All-Star, and Paul the “acclaimed” point guard he’s been so wet for over the years. A stroke of beauty on his way to visit Tom in Hawaii for twilight cocktails celebrating Miller’s exit.
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Jun 24, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
if we stay at 22
we’ve got Presti at 18 and 21, and the Spurs at 20. Any bets our guy somehow slips past both them to us?
yeah, me either…
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
DJ's still flying below the radar
much depends on what happens with Rudy, and if they have a FA 2-3 who they think they can sign with the MLE in July
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Mike Miller would be my guy if he'd settle for MLE... I just don't see us making any kind of good signings that way.
that's a big 10-4 on Miller
Raja Bell was my fallback, until the L*kers targeted him…they steal all the good ideas
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Tick, tick, tick ...
as KP looks for a miracle save ….
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions
Sigh...we should really take today in.
It seems very likely this will be our last draft with KP as our GM. I can’t even believe that.
I'm starting to think....
this draft is starting to look a lot like last year’s draft…..uneventful….
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Rudy to Houston for their pick was something that was mentioned yesterday.
Not much has been said about the deal but the salaries would work out straight up.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
We should probably wait to trade Rudy
He is playing in the worlds and he should elevate his value (of course if the right deal comes up now where we are not being low balled, then we need to make the trade)
by BatumShakalaka88 on Jun 24, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is how I look at it:
If we want to trade Rudy we need to make sure we can get something that will help us out more than Rudy does. Trading for a pick…I dunno. Rudy is 10 ppg off the bench guy with a good three point shot and decent passing skills. Is there anyone in the middle of the first round (approximately Rudy’s trade value) that can give us that? And if you want to move higher you have to find something that replaces Rudy AND whomever we may draft in the 20s.
This draft looks relatively weak after the top 4 or 5, which we are NOT moving in to. I don’t see the point of giving up Rudy to get someone who probably won’t be as good as he is now.
Mailed it in?
He didn’t even lick the postage.
by BatumShakalaka88 on Jun 24, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He played poorly
he didn’t mail it in. Besides, I’m not willing to decide his career on one bad series, or even one injury-plagued career. If the right deal is there, we should trade him, but we should look to move him for the sake of moving him.
by GMan83201 on Jun 24, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! I love my typos...
It obviously should say “one injury-plagued SEASON”, not “injury plagued career.”
And also "shouldN'T look to move him for the sake of moving him"
man, I’m out of school for two weeks and my brain turns to mush.
Portland-Toronto Rudy Fernandez trade is “dead.” Not happening. Portland is continuing to be very active,
I knew it was too good to be true. Some folks were saying “is Rudy only worth just moving up 9 picks in the draft?” but I was thinking “we can move all the way up to 13 for just Rudy?”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
We could get better
just hanging on to Rudy is better.
we were too slow to pull the trigger one or two years ago.
What? A guy who can only play 2 guard who wants to start and star in this league when our best player only wants to play 2 guard is unhappy he’s not being given the opportunity to play? What a shocking turn of events.
by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul's plane landed last night
and all the rumors just ZZZZIP went away
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If Houston's pick is up for grabs, and Aldrich is available
What could we offer that they’d be interested in? Even if he is smaller than Pryz he’s one of the few Centers in the draft that isn’t an outright project player.
Smart man.
Living in San Diego, people don’t even get it. I can’t wait to move back up to Portland, where people really appreciate this sort of madness!
yeah, no kidding.
I wonder how many times I’ve refreshed my browser today.
by blazerbeliever on Jun 24, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Literally?
Unless your job is a feces producer I hope you mean “figuratively” lol. Otherwise, what do you do for work?!?!
I work at a consulting firm in San Diego
Most people here aren’t even basketball fans, and they have a hard time understanding why the draft would be important. Plus, the fair-weather fans of basketball here in southern California wouldn’t even know there was an NBA draft unless you told them so.
Ha ha ha...
There are three people in my office today, including me. One of them mentioned to me that he heard Geoff Petrie’s wife was looking at some houses in Lake Oswego, and wondering if that might mean anything.
The third person in the office said, “Who’s Geoff Petrie?”
Some people just don’t get it…
by Rodney Gustafson on Jun 24, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Laptops and wireless.
Can’t get caught for having an “upset stomach”.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
kenny vance is an idiot who doesn't understand what capspace is
how the hell does he have a job?
now back in sunny portland, oregon
capspace is just the tip of the "things kenny vance doesn't understand" iceberg
still, he is pretty entertaining at times. And THAT is why he still has a job. lol
by Rodney Gustafson on Jun 24, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's incredible what he said. He doesn't understand the CBA.
Wheels was just as bad yesterday. He kept saying LMA would be a BYC player in JANUARY.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
he keeps hammering on incessantly
about how we should have gone after kirk hinrich.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
I agree with that
I think his outside stroke, his defense, and his coaches mentality would have been a perfect fit next to Roy.
Someplace on BEdge today, I posted the following three team proposal:
Chicage trades Hinrich and #17 for Rudy Fernandez, Jeff Foster, #10 and cash considerations
Indiana trades Foster and #10 for Andre Miller and #22
Portland trades Miller, Fernandez, #22 and cash considerations for Hinrich and #17
Chicago was obviously after JUST cap space. I was shooting for some talent and moving up in the draft for them.
by Rodney Gustafson on Jun 24, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't think CHI would have done that
capspace is supreme for them. taking on foster + rudy + 10th pick salary would not enable them to sign two free agents.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
*sigh*
i know. i just didn’t realize anyone like WAS would give up their OWN cap space for Hinrich. I kinda thought all the teams under the cap were targeting free agency first.
Sounds like Josh Childress is saying he will play for WAS next season. So… Wall, Arenas, Hinrich, Foye, and Young at the guard spots.
Howard, Childress and Thornton at the 3.
Blatche and McGee as the bigs… They definitely need some follow up trades for some size.
by Rodney Gustafson on Jun 24, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
unless the Hawks match the Childress deal.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
not a good deal for WAS at all
they go from “Really Crappy” to “mediocre” while potentially making a conference rival a dynasty.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
well, that's true
he will be a BYC player in January. It starts July 1, and ends June 30, 2011. But I think I know what you were saying…
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Yeah, LOL
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
first big rumor of the day
WojYahooNBA
Pacers and Nets discussing trade to send package including Danny Granger and 10th pick for Devin Harris, Yi and No. 3 pick, sources tell Y!
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Well, if you remember from earlier this week
they were going after CP3 just like we were. Imagine CP3, Brook Lopez, and Danny Granger for a second…and then realize they don’t have any other players.
Still though, the new owner for the Nets seems to be looking to be more active in his attempts to turn the team around.
how do they get CP3
without giving up Lopez, #3, or Devin Harris?
now back in sunny portland, oregon
that would be pretty big. but yeah not sure what PG they would have.
any free agents?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I want Granger
Maybe he will build a Batcave in Portland and move into the Gotham Tower on Interstate
Draft Cole Aldrich
What?
That’s ridiculous. What is Thorn thinking? Impede T-Will’s development by picking up a new SF, and give up your starting PG to do it? Oh, not to mention the shot at a cheap potential All-Star with the #3.
It’s a fair trade trade in terms of value, but it’s ridiculous for the Nets.
hard to lower Joel Anthony's salary for next year
given that his minimum allowable is 885,100
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Two major problems with Aldridge's story
1) Anthony’s salary for next year cannot go any lower
2) He forgot to count about 2.8 million in roster charges when throwing out the information about Chicago. Thus, they cannot yet offer two max deals. Need to clear off Deng. Even Johnson and Gibson for nothing doesn’t appear to be quite enough to get there.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I love how all the "expert" writers on the net always forget to count roster charges when calculating the cap space
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I have 3 internet pages open, ESPN on the TV, 95.5 on the radio, and beer on the table....
Im ready.
Draft Cole Aldrich
but do you have the cooler sitting next to you with the other 5 in it?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
you are welcome!
;-)
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
let me guess
twitter, BlazersEdge, and ????
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
link on that?
is realgm.com 3d enabled or something? every page I look at there looks like I should be viewing it with my red/blue paper glasses on
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
It has been auto refreshing to
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_draftnight_2010.php
Draft Cole Aldrich
cool, thanks
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Tick, tick, tick .... 1 hr left KP
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
here come Canzano selling his 12 hour old rumors as breaking information...
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
yep
his poll is on whether we should trade Rudy and the 22 for the 13.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Comments will close
in this thread at 4:00 as we open up our Live Draft Thread. Once the hour strikes you’ll be able to get all your rumors, updates, and every pick made there.
—Dave
Victor Claver worked out at the PF this morning in front of Paul Allen
Interesting timing when you are making decisions about trading other players.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions
I can't blame Paul for wanting to check out the Spaniard
I would’ve ordered a psych eval for Victor, first question
“Would you opposed to playing 10-15 minutes per game behind Nic Batum for the rest of your NBA career?”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

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