Evening Draft Chatter: Rudy,Trading Up, CP3 Shoots Down Blazers, Seraphin
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2010 7:33 PM PDT
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PrintThe earlier FanShot was getting unwieldy. So here's a new post that will update as the night goes on.
David Aldridge reports...
The most serious suitors at the moment are the Toronto Raptors and Houston Rockets, with Toronto offering its first-round pick, the 13th pick overall, as part of a package.
Chicago and Washington have also expressed interest in Fernandez, 25, who was acquired from Phoenix in 2007 on Draft night and signed with Portland the following summer. The Bulls would like to move their first-round pick, 17th overall, for Fernandez. The Wizards offered guard Nick Young for Fernandez but were turned down.
Earlier reports that the Knicks were serious contenders for Fernandez were overblown.
That makes three separate reports coming out regarding Rudy Fernandez within the past hour. For my (harsh) thoughts on Nick Young, read this post from March.
Brian T. Smith with a non-update from Rudy Fernandez's side.
Source close to Fernandez said there is no certainty right now which team the guard will play for after draft day.
Update (8:51PM):
Smith now writes...
The lone Blazer player who appears to be absolutely safe and secure: three-time All-Star guard Brandon Roy.
It's a strange time to take a "everyone is available" stance, given that we're less than 24 hours from the start of the draft and only one Blazer's name has come up in rumors with any regularity.
Brian Berger of Sports Business Radio tweets that he believes the Blazers might be targeting Eric Bledsoe at the #13 pick if they trade up.
My top five potential targets if the Blazers trade up to the 10-15 range (depending on availability): 1. Paul George 2. Xavier Henry 3. Cole Aldrich 4. Luke Babbitt 5. Patrick Patterson
Frank Isola of the New York Daily News tweets...
The word on Rudy is that if the Blazers don't get what they want, Paul Allen would rather have him rot on the bench then give him away
Update (10:26PM):
Adrian Wojnarowski writes that Chris Paul was presented with the idea of a trade to Portland and wasn't feeling it. He also levels some pretty heavy accusations against Portland's organization.
When the possibility of the Portland Trail Blazers making a bid on Paul was brought to him, a source said, Paul's reaction was simple: Why would I want to go there if they have to trade LaMarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy to get me? I'd want to play with those players.
That's the problem with trying to trade Paul. For one of the best point guards in the NBA, the Hornets would want no less than a young All-Star caliber player, a starter and draft picks. Only then, what kind of gutted core would await Paul with his new team?
Portland has bordered on tampering with Paul for two years now, and it's never been much of a secret within the Hornets' organization that the Blazers have gone to great lengths to make Paul aware of how badly they want him. It didn't go unnoticed when Blazers president Larry Miller - a former Nike executive who had dealings with Paul - cozied up to the Hornets star on New Orleans' trips to the Rose Garden. It is what it is, but most agree the Blazers have been merciless in trying to get into Paul's ear - and those around him - to convince him to create a stir and force his way out.
Update (11:27 PM):
NBA Draft.net passes along a link to the French newspaper Le Figaro, which reports that draft prospect Kevin Seraphin, who participated in the Nike Hoop Summit here in Portland, has a $750,000 buyout to come to the NBA and that the forward has drawn interest from the Portland Trail Blazers.
Using google translator I came up with this awesome paragraph describing the Blazers' interest.
But [the buyout amount] does not seem to cool the U.S. scouts. Including those in Portland ... The majority of predictions have a promising way for Oregon. The Blazers have indeed been well advised to select Nicolas Batum, via a trade, two years ago at the same time. They would therefore like to repeat the experience and boost their French colony with Cholet.
That doesn't seem to include any new information regarding the Blazers' interest in Seraphin but rather ties it to the team's previous track record drafting Nicolas Batum.
Seraphin is a beast. The Blazers could do a lot worse than "boosting their French colony" tomorrow.
Update (11:52PM):
This isn't really breaking news but it's still fun to read. In an interview with Raptors HQ, Jonathan Givony of Draft Express says Portland is operating with a "blank check book" and making life difficult for teams like the Toronto Raptors.
RHQ: Going back to the Raptors, have you heard any updates on the team trying to grab a second pick?
Jonathan Givony: I don't think it's a secret that they're very active right now in talking to teams in that 21 to 30 range. They're willing to put some money on the table which is a good sign for Raptors fans, that ownership is going to make a financial commitment to make the team better, and that's a huge thing. When you're competing with the Portland's and the Houston's of the world with ownership groups with blank check books, I think that's a big thing, e specially in this draft as we already discussed.
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The draft rumors are a lot more exciting with a vuvuzela
I really like the idea of Rudy in Chicago. Everyone says this is a weak draft, but everyone says a lot of things.
Has KP even considered what trading Rudy would do for his reputation with the female population of the Northwest?
Much better.
“Adrian WojnZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Trailblazers are shopping AZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA draft day.”
by wilsonpdx on Jun 23, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw my first World Cup game this morning (I know, bad Dogs for not supporting the US), and those Vuvuzela things are so obnoxious. My brother described them as a swarm of angry bees, and that is exactly what they sound like. He said they were allowed as a matter of tradition… How much tradition can really surround a plastic horn?
The Wizards once envisioned him and Arenas manning the guard spots for the future
That didn’t really work out. He’s not much to write home about. Definitely not a job-saving-past-or-future-all-star-netting move.
He had talent and upside, for a while...
then it was discovered that his attitude sucks and he has ZERO work ethic.
A serious YUCK @ Nick Young
take a look at Ben’s Media Row Reports from the Was games for the last two years.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
see:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/3/20/1382121/media-row-report-blazers-76
There’s not a player in the league who is more casually letting his NBA career slip by him than Nick Young. Someone needs to scare this guy straight, for his own good. At Summer League a few years back Young was more concerned with the women in attendance than the games and last year I wrote about his pregame hijinks. This year he was back with that same “Why bother putting real work into my game if I’m not going to play?” attitude that suggests his coaching staff gave up on babysitting him at some point over the last 12 months. I can’t blame them. Tonight, when asked to complete a simple dribbling exercise (one ball in each hand, varying the height of the dribble based upon a coach’s instruction) Young mostly ignored the instructions as his attention was otherwise occupied with an NCAA tournament being shown on the big screen. As three of his fellow guards worked hard through the drill, Young repeatedly messed up, losing his dribble and smirking at his own remedial failure. As the touch drills progressed, he simply checked out. He hoisted some jumpers and called it good. What a mess. 0 for 2 in 7 minutes. 1 foul, no points. A shame. Made worse by the fact that his snap jumper off the bounce can be a thing of beauty.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
It's turning into a Rudy frenzy since his trade value has dropped so low.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
If his trade value continues to drop at this rate we will get a top 10 pick for him by morning.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Perhaps straight up for Chris Paul by draft time
it will be such a good deal that the NBA will waive salary rules.
by GMan83201 on Jun 23, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
make ^this one^ green
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Wow, the ever rare double-post, double green.
Well done.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Banning "chat speak" is like banning apostrophes. There would be no "you're" if some punk kid in the 1700s hadn't been a rebel.
by haildablazer on Jun 23, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's funny
I can remember being told a month ago that no teams would be interested in Rudy
uh-huh
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Well all I can say
is thank god we’re not going to have to swap him for a second rounder and send cash to pay his salary.
We’re not going to have a chance to trade him again, so I hope KP strikes while the iron is hot.
Sounds like Rudy is surely toast
but they better get good value for him
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by cavejunctionblazer on Jun 23, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions
13th seems kind of lame
Who are we going to get at 13th other than another project? Shouldn’t we be looking at ready talent we can snag?
well I know what spencerbutte would say
but rather than Paul George does anyone car to revisit Patrick Patterson?
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Pattersone would be great.
Total team player, high character guy, skilled, tough, athletic — exactly the kind of backup 4 I want on this team.
weak defensive rebounder
One area where Patterson is bafflingly poor is on the defensive glass, ranking amongst the worst at his position in that category amongst likely draft prospects, which is disappointing to say the least. Patterson was quite a bit more effective in this area last season without DeMarcus Cousins (an absolute monster rebounder on both ends), while not forced to spend as much time out on the perimeter playing the center position.
Patterson was still very poor in this area as a freshman as well, so NBA teams may wonder about how good of a defensive rebounder he projects as at the next level. He doesn’t always play as tough as his chiseled body indicates he should, not boxing out that well and rarely going out of his area to come up with extra possessions. As an offensive rebounder he’s quite a bit more effective.
I’d rather keep running Cunningham out there, at least we know that Dante will come flying in from the wing to scoop up loose balls
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Dante's not a great rebounder either.
Patterson will be a very nice rotation player in the NBA.
by Cablinasian on Jun 23, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
say what?
Cunningham is a very good out-of-area rebounder. (HIs 9.5 rpg per 40, pace adjusted, tops both LMA and PP) Dante also boxes out extremely well, and never stops moving at either end of the floor
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yeah, but think of it this way
you could put LMA into a deal for CP3, swap PP into the lineup at the 4 and not even notice the difference!
(I’d start Camby at PF first, of course)
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by two4larue on Jun 23, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Patterson Freshman and Sophomore years at Kentucky
he was the ONLY legit big man Billy Clyde had at UK…and was constantly being double and triple teamed…and still managed 7.1 rebs per game…Cousins (during PPat’s last year) absolutely swallowed up every reb possible (and led the nation in RPG per minutes played)…anyway…PPat is undervalued as a player (valued highly and rightly so for his maturity and team-first attitude—made abundantly clear by his allowing his freshmen teammates to “steal” his spotlight at UK last year)…much better rebounder and has an outstanding motor than the so called “experts” are giving him credit for…and seeing as how those other draft prospects in this draft who don’t have “baffingly poor” def reb rankings didn’t have to play with DeMarcus Cousins and Daniel Orton on a nightly basis…too funny..pass on him at your own peril PDX
Yeah, diminishing returns are a huge factor concerning defensive rebounds. That was ...
the case for Patrick Patterson last season, as DeMarcus Cousins — and even Daniel Orton off the bench — handled the glass cleaning duties; on the other hand, Patrick Patterson gave Kentucky valuable one-on-one coverage against opposing 4s.
Patrick Patterson's defensive rebounding numbers dipped a bit due to diminishing returns ...
in light of DeMarcus Cousins playing at Kentucky this year. Yet, on the offensive glass, Patterson more than held his own, which is most important concerning hitting the boards; in addition, he’s a good position defender at the 4 spot. All things considered, I’d take a stout position defender at the 4 over a board horder who sags off his man and leads to a higher eFG% allowed.
i agree with you "thetsaiguy"
personally I think we should trade outta the draft and get some good player with EXP!, not trade up to get a 13 range pick. I feel rudy and #22 is worth more than the #13. I was more stoaked on Andre Iguadola for Rudy and Bayless than snagging the #13.
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jun 23, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm game
and the 22nd pick for Bosh…
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 23, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
and diener for cp3
but that might be giving up too much
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
draft Ekpe Udoh
by thomasikehara on Jun 23, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
sign & trade
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
draft Ekpe Udoh
by thomasikehara on Jun 24, 2010 4:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm also curious.
They have #14. Would we take it straight up for Rudy?
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Wiz had to be crazy offering that trade
Young would be a recurring headache for a lot of fans (and Nate).
I will just say this
I have heard hundreds of (gag when I say this) “Trade Rumors” over the years, and about 0 percent of them turned out to be true, it’s all smoke and mirrors, say this name, then actually trade this name, I bet my season tickets on Rudy not going ANYWHERE, both Timbers And Blazers season tickets I will reiterate
Biggest Trade, Blazers in Sign and Trade Get Lebron James, Cavs get Ha Sueng Gin
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions
It's me! Had to poke my handsome mug around here, ya know, once a year or so
And if Rudy goes, so do I and Sergio!
What do you mean Sergio’s gone? Whoa where have I been, I guess this “Spanish Armada” Shirt I just made up is a collectors edition now
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
People buy season tickets to the Timbers?
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on now, Really?
I know and I missed the first half the season because of BCEP
I’ve been going with my roommates English dad, love it
The curse words he uses, so creative, besides it passes the time between Blazers seasons. I tune out once we get eliminated. Who won? Bulls?
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Bulls won.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That's Fantastic! Great for D. Rose
The next MJ in Chi-Town indeed
And again, I haven’t been paying attention? OK City got Lebron?!
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
outlaw and blake
for camby was a rumor that came true
there was no smoke on the Camby deal
just a fireball
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
And I thought we overrated our players..smh. The second we put one up on the market 5 teams are all throwing out offeres.
We better get something if we part with Rudy. His bench play was just not what it should have been, but we need a real player off the bench that won’t cry about his role.
Hey don't smh
eij! Emasculate in joy! Maybe if they keep overrating our guys, we can get CP3 for JBay
What about the Pacers?
They like white guys and they have the 10th pick. Rudy and 22 for 10?
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
As for the Blazers...They are officially the NBA equivalent of a movie serial killer
-basketbawful
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2010 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house ....
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 7:56 PM PDT reply actions
If Chicago is in the mix
I still want Hinrich
Draft Cole Aldrich
by jlarose78 on Jun 23, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
if Toronto's in the mix
I still want Turkoglu….I know, it’s crazy, but whatever
KP up to his old tricks
I have to say, I’ll miss this draft-centered excitement if he’s fired.
If they fire KP, I'm turning my season tickets in
Just My Blazers Tickets Though.
Timbers are Up And Coming. Not a ship without a rudder, speaking of my sailboat…
Mr. Merritt is doing everything right in my book, The Book of Andy
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions
I would bet my special brownies
KP moves up to a top 13 pick
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't you just say
that the team wasn’t doing anything with Rudy? We’d have to give him to Toronto for that pick.
I'm not saying Rudy's leaving, I'm saying mutli team trade, we give up only Travis Diener
and a half eaten rose garden hot dog, Paul Allen’s half eaten hot dog, k love you all gotta go to costco and get my contacts, and cheese pizza
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jun 23, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Merritt
sucks. He cleared out my baseball team for a ninth-rate soccer franchise.
There is no Major League Soccer in the USA – it’s in Europe, where it belongs. If you are going to bring a team in here, build a stadium for it yourself. Or better yet, build a 15,000-seat baseball stadium and let the Portland Beavers, OSU Beavers, and Oregon Ducks play baseball in it. – Elgin
GOP in HD
Now that's breaking news!
Brian T. Smith :
Source close to Fernandez said there is no certainty right now which team the guard will play for after draft day.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions
other than it's not going to be Portland
said Mr. Obvious
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The Washington Wizards have some really annoying players such as JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche, Al ...
Thornton, and Nick Young. That doesn’t even begin to factor in Gilbert Arenas — or the soon to be drafted John “Stevie Franchise II” Wall — which makes me pity Flip Saunders, who’ll probably get canned after another likely disappointing season next year.
by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
John "Stevie Franchise II" Wall
That’s kind of my thought as well, I mean he’s flashy, but isn’t his assist to turnover ratio pretty horrible? I don’t see that improving in the NBA
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 23, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
draftexpress reporting
there is chatter about an Arenas for Vince Carter swap. so that changes Washington’s crazy quoitient a bit.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
that's what I can't figure out
they must think think they can salvage him.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
More realistically
Arenas is in the same boat as ZBo when we got the #1 pick. No room for Agent Zero…um…I mean…uh…Agent Six, alongside the next great super star. Despite all the talk about an Arenas/Wall backcourt, we all know that had a fresh rolled j’s chance of surviving in Sheed’s house. No one wants to go anywhere near that guy, though, so Arenas has to call up his old buddy from his Golden State days, Otis Smith, who he still keeps in contact with. Smith is working for a different organization nowadays, the franchise down in Orlando.
It really makes perfect sense. Arenas needs to go somewhere other than Washington, and there’s only one GM that would take that chance.
Otis Smith was dumb enough to massively overpay Rashard Lewis, so he might do this ...
foolish trade of Vince Carter for Gilbert Arenas. If it does go down, Smith just further cements himself as a lunkhead — with the funniest mishap being the Billy Donovan fiasco — and he should thank his lucky stars that the previous GM, John Weisbrod, drafted Dwight Howard in 2004. Seriously, a guy with a hockey background in Weisbrod did a way better job than Smith of building the Magic’s foundation of Howard, Jameer Nelson, et al.
I saw we send Rudy to die in New Jersey
and then if any uppity rookie starts talking trade again we show them what we do to whiny little rookies…
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 23, 2010 8:18 PM PDT reply actions
if any uppity rookie starts talking trade again we show them what we do to whiny little rookies…
Actually, it teaches the kiddies that if you don’t like your current situation, you can talk your way out of it
but I’d prefer we flip Claver as well and stay clean away from Spaniards in the future
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I had nothing against Spaniards up until a year or so ago
and if Memphis wanted to send Pau Gasol’s baby brother to Portland I wouldn’t say no, depending on what they wanted for Marc
but I’m not a big fan of skinny PFs like Victor anyway, unless they can rebound and defend like Camby
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
KP's in charge.
From the Oregonian:
Absolutely," Pritchard said. “I have the authority. We all have to answer to (team owner) Mr. (Paul) Allen, but Mr. Allen has given us autonomy, has given us the opportunity, to be aggressive. So nothing has changed in that sense.”
yeah, just like
Al Haig: “As of now, I am in control here in the White House.”
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 8:28 PM PDT reply actions
Jedi mind tricks dont work on a Hut
Paul is Jabba
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Jameer has arms so short
they make Bayless’ look like sloth arms.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jun 23, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
If we decide to trade Rudy The Diva, I hope that he ends up somewhere like Minnesota or
I would say Washington (but they have no one to offer).
Rudy went from being a ballplayer to being a celebrity in his mind. If he is deemed incompatible with this team I hope he ends up somewhere he will be really unhappy, a cold, dark, place, that hasn’t won in years. Let him really fester in his own ego!
The dude had the hearts of a city and he tossed it aside for what? So he could be tissue paper soft, yet still remaining clean enough for the ladies? Sounds like he and Nick Young may have more in common than we first may thing (alright Rudy is not That bad).
Also, Rudy was saying last year he wanted to be in New York? Well I am sure his teammates couldn’t wait to take the floor with him, you know the kinda guy who will have your back win or lose. Rudy you are punk and I hope you get Punk’d (or make a miraculous turnaround because hey, everyone gets a second chance if they earn it).
by BatumShakalaka88 on Jun 23, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions
I don't agree that
passively expressing discontent with the system or the coach qualifies him as a “celebrity.” I mean, if you’re really having confidence issues with the system, you can’t just let yourself rot away on the bench. You only have so many years in the NBA until your body lets up. If I were in Rudy’s position, I would the same thing. I want to play and play free, not waste my life doing nothing.
that is cold, man
I don’t wish ill on Rudy, I just don’t want him to ever have any fun at Portland’s expense in the future
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Cold is leaving your teammates out to dry during the playoffs when they needed you most
Rudy averaged over 20 plus minutes a game, what lead the coaches to believe he deserved to play more? He got the chance to start in the playoffs and laid an egg. He thinks of himself as a starter yet could not guard 85% of the starting shooting guards in this league.
With that said, when Rudy is making his shot, he can be killer. I really wished he appreciated his situation and grabbed it by the horns and made the best of it rather than constantly looking across the fence to the neighbors lawn. He has offensive talent, that much is for sure. I certainly would not want to trade him to a contender because if we matched up against them in the future he would pull a quasi J Richardson on us.
The answer is not simple. It just seems his ego is bigger than the Northwest (which considering we now dominate the Seattle market as well, that is pretty dang big).
by BatumShakalaka88 on Jun 23, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe a "package" was mentioned somewhere
that included the #13. We’re getting something back, for sure. The question is, whom might that be? DeMar DeRozan?
HAHAHAHA!!!!
oh man….
For the record, I just checked and the only tradeable contract they have that would match Rudy, by himself, would be Marco Belinelli. Inferior player, but shoots ok, and we move up 9 spots…
I can't imagine them giving up Belinelli for Rudy
They’d make us take Jack back and send them Martell (or something similar) as well.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jun 23, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If KP can get a top 15 pick for Rudy....fantastic......let someone else deal with his crying!!
Maybe Portland can get their hands on Patrick Patterson…..would be a solid back up for LA. While LA is all about finesse and outside shooting, Patterson is the exact opposite with rebounding and blocking shots…can knock down 15 footers too…..much better than Pendergraph and Cunningham.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
I was just thinking that
but I think PP’s going in the top 10
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Anyone here think that Tom Penn is still working for the Blazers?
Him and KP are tight, Penn’s not doing anything for another team, he’s still getting paid… I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Tom and KP are texting each other when nobody else is looking… if only because Tom would want to make KP look as good as possible.
Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'.
Probably not
Didn’t you hear? Tom Penn’s going to be on the sidelines crew with ESPN. On another note, what’s the over/under of at what point in the broadcast they start asking him about his exit with the Blazers? I have it at the 4:02 P.T. mark.
Why would his ESPN gig stop him from consulting with KP?
He could be vetting stuff right now… and he’s like fourth on the list of commentators and analysts. He could hypothetically get in a lot of Blackberry time between sound bites. I mean, I admit it’s pure fantasizing on my part, but it’s not out of the question.
Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'.
by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hah! Paul Allen and I are in complete agreement.
The word on Rudy is that if the Blazers don’t get what they want, Paul Allen would rather have him rot on the bench then give him away
Tell you what, even as Rudy was phoning it in I was trying to cut him slack as the season was winding down… but now that I read this one as well:
Rudy Fernandez was telling teammates last season, “New York, that’s where I want to go.”
I think it’s pretty clear that he bailed on this team at some point. It wasn’t a confidence problem, it was just quitting. During the Suns series, you could tell that the other guys were mad at Rudy. Clearly they had a reason. What is it like to fight and struggle just to make it into the playoffs and to sit next to a guy with so much talent who won’t even commit for the sake of his teammates? I can still see the play where Fernandez passes up an open shot and sends a flaming bag to Bayless and he whips it right back to Rudy to hold the ball as the clock expires.
I have no problem with Rudy spending all of next season DNP-CD.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
and if true, Rudy can forget about buying himself out of his contract
Paul would just eat the whole thing to make a point. It’s not like it’s tons of money (for Paul). Basically the cost of buying a draft pick or two
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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And it would actually cost Rudy more than he makes
since it would prevent him from going back to Spain and making oodles of Euros.
yeah but
it does the team no good
and if Rudy isn’t playing, he’s not accruing trade value
2 wrongs don’t make a right. Paul wouldn’t let KP deal Rudy last Feb because the owner still had a Span-crush, and he shouldn’t make the rest of the team suffer next year because he was spurned by #5
just cut bait already, and send Claver packing too while you’re at it
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Being a Euro actually works in our favor in this scenario.
Rudy’s going home to play in the Worlds, he’ll get lots of minutes and camera time that way, which will help remind teams of how talented he is… so I think that there are teams that will be interested for as long as he’s not running home to play in the ACB again. If we hold onto him one more season, we can do a sign-and-trade next year and get something more than his rookie scale in trade value.
Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'.
by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't need to do a sign and trade next year. He's ours (if we want him) for 2 more years.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, but if we don't want him
We don’t need to wait two years to re-calculate his salary. That 2nd of the two years remaining would be his RFA year if we didn’t re-sign him after next season, right? Which means we COULD re-sign him next year, either because we wanted to keep him (seems so unlikely now) or in a sign-and-trade deal.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that we need to pick up his 4th year option by Oct 31 this year.
So we would do it, because if he turns around and starts playing well we might want to hold on to him until at least next summer and then trade him. If we don’t pick up the option by Oct 31 he becomes an unrestricted free agent next July 1 and we get nothing for him after that.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention that we can't resign him for too much
I think it’s 120% of next year’s salary, otherwise he goes PPP/BYC, which would make him harder to move. Keep the salary low, and you’re not getting much of a player in return.
The salary is all predetermined because Rudy is only entering the 3rd year of his 4 year rookie scale.
We would pay him only $1.2M next season. Then if we pick up the 4th year of his option by Oct 31, we will owe him $2.2 in the 4th year. So for two more years we owe him a total that is about the same as buying a 2nd round pick ($3.4M) and we can trade him whenever. Rudy has ZERO bargaining power for the next 2 years. So unless we trade him, he had better shape up or be prepared to sit (here or in Spain) at PA’s discretion.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
it might make sense to hold onto him until after the worlds
and see if his trade value increases
but I don’t want to see his mug on media day
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I think Rudy will get moved, either tomorrow or later this summer.
But if not, I think Rudy’s attitude could be changed if he realized that Paul was willing to just let him sit (here or in Spain) for 2 years. I suspect he would come back playing his best to “earn” a trade by the Feb trade deadline. In which case, everyone would win if his trade value went up.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
this
I’m ALL FOR trading Rudy. But if we can’t get decent return, don’t just give him away. that sets a bad precedent
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
yeah, IF that happened
everyone will be saying “you can’t trade Rudy!” next winter
It’s the fickle finger of fandom
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If Rudy's value is going up...
Why not package him with someone else and get a non-project draft player? PLEEEEEASE!?!
Paul Allen would rather have [Rudy] rot on the bench then give him away
That’s what one crappy playoff series will do to a guy’s ownership value
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That's a little colder than I put it in another thread, but
seriously if we can’t get the value we want there’s nothing stopping us from bringing Rudy back and telling him he’s got to “earn” a trade before we move him. We can keep him for 2 more years at a ridiculously low salary so there’s no financial harm to us. If he whines and risks the team morale we can send him home to Spain until he’s ready to play for us again. In the mean time, he ain’t playing for anyone else.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So Rudy comes in hoping to be the Spanish MJ...
…and goes out as the Spanish Stepon Marbury?
Ice cold man. But guys gotta learn that there’s no way a player can throw a bigger temper tantrum than an owner.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
my answer to that is above^
don’t keep sulky in the locker room, it will bring everybody else down
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My answer to that is we can literally send him home to Spain to sit (ala Marbury) if we needed to.
Once he realized that I think he would work hard to “earn” a trade out of here.
But I don’t see any of this as necessary or likely. I think we will get decent value for him this summer.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
the Blazers might be targeting Eric Bledsoe at the #13 pick if they trade up.
My top five potential targets if the Blazers trade up to the 10-15 range (depending on availability): 1. Paul George 2. Xavier Henry 3. Cole Aldrich 4. Luke Babbitt 5. Patrick Patterson
Let’s see, that’s bleah, spencerbutte having kittens, bleah, hmm, hmm, and oh my
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I'm glad your paying attention
A lot of teams are paying attention to George’s value to any coaching scheme.
The more you look at Batum the more you can see the similar value George brings.
by spencerbutte on Jun 23, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
If he really wants to be the next T-Mac, he'll have to learn how to work
I really like George, a lot!!! But I fear with Monty gone and our player development staff stretched thin that we won’t be able to dedicate the time that is needed to get him there.
I don't think Portland will draft George
but I can understand why you’d get excited if they trade up to 13
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Did a professional journalist really tweet:
“…Allen would rather have him rot on the bench then give him away…” ?
“then”??? Incredible.
FWIW, I’ll miss Rudy’s enthusiasm, even if it hasn’t been around for some months now. Nate’s plodding system just isn’t right for him.
Duct tape makes you smart.
Journalists != editors
Twitter also != editors.
Ergo, Journalists + twitter = typos.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Rights to Omer Aisk
the 17th and james johnson for Rudy …..
What say ye B.E.?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
why?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Paul George or Patrick Patterson
Both are going to be very good players I’d wager and would fit in pretty nicely.
by nikolokolus on Jun 23, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Patterson or George can still be available at 17
while you also get the rights to a very talented big man (great rebounder, motor and hustle) who is already in the states, and a sf/pf tweener who has the speed to guard sfs and the build (though still lacking strength) to guard pfs….
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by piccolomair on Jun 23, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Out of all the internationals we've had
only one has done anything in Portland. And we already trade Asik away once, I don’t see us taking him back again, especially considering how many guys we already have stashed. We’re looking for solid role-players who can contribute now or bring us that in a trade. With the #13, we can target Patterson. No way he’s still there at #17.
I'd rather have what TOR's pick and JPEC will get us
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I am disgusted.
Why are we trying to trade away a good player because he doesn’t fit into our mediocre “system”?
cuz he doesnt fit into your mediocre "system"
whats the use of having a shiny puzzle piece that doesnt fit into your puzzle. You can complete the puzzle without it, what do you want to do, just hang onto it cuz its shiny?
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by piccolomair on Jun 23, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
more to it than that
i don’t think anything short of dumping Nate is going to bring Rudy back into the fold. And that ain’t gonna happen.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I don't think his teammates consider him a good player.
We all know that J-Bay practically cracked his own teeth keeping his mouth shut about playing behind Sergio and Blake. He kept his mouth shut, worked hard, watched us pick up ANOTHER PG to be in front of him on the rotation, still kept his mouth shut, kept working hard, and ended up aquitting himself well in the playoffs.
Then you’ve got Rudy, who whined about PT, told his teammates he’d rather be in New York, and then when given the opportunity to start under the big lights, complete checked himself out of the game. Checked himself out when everybody knew he could step up. Threw away open shots for reasons nobody understood. He quit on this team long before the team quit on him. Trying to foist the blame on McMillan’s playbook is misguided, IMHO.
Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'.
by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Good points..
but honestly, i feel as though a lot of our young players are not developing as well as they could be under someone else, but i digress Rudy is the only one having a crappy attitude.
by EbolaMuffins on Jun 23, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's a valid concern.
Bill Bayno and Monty Williams were the core of our player development crew, and we just lost Monty. On the flipside, if we’re going to seriously contend going forward, player development won’t be as important as it was before. So I’m hopefull this won’t be as much of an issue.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
i feel as though a lot of our young players are not developing as well as they could be under someone else
I like how Batum has been developing
and I would’ve loved to see how much farther Bayless would be down the road if he had been given most of Sergio and Rudy’s minutes
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He's poor laterally on D,
can’t handle enough to get minutes at PG, chucks the ball away on the break, and looks lazy when trying to feed the post. None of that is Nate’s fault!
Also, he went into a shooting slump down the stretch. That’s not good for a player who basically shoots 3s as his primary skill. I love Rudy but he is a one dimensional player who sees himself through 3D glasses.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 23, 2010 10:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As a sidenote to the Rudy talks...
What the heck do we want with the 13th pick anyway??? Is anybody else wondering this besides me?
I’m sick to hell of “potential” already. “Potential” = “project” and God knows we already have enough of those. One of our 3 “cornerstone pieces” (cough cough G.O cough) is enough of a project with potential to give us Blazer fans enough headaches over the next 5 years, and Lamarcus hasn’t shown me ANYTHING but an will to get paid.
Take your “potential” and shove it, give us a REAL big move and put a “PROVEN ALL-STAR” next to B Roy. Nobody we select at the 13th pick is going to save your job, KP.
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
who knows?
Maybe KP is working on the blockbuster deal that will make you happy… I’m loving all the pre-draft rumors and deals
"The great charm of cats is their rampant egotism, their devil-may-care attitude toward responsibility, their disinclination to earn an honest dollar." - Robertson Davies
I doubt he's still on the board at #13, but...
my best guess is they are seriously trying to target Patrick Patterson (possibly by slipping up a couple of places further than 13), but will take Henry or George if he’s unavailable.
Bottom line is, with more players still on the board, there will be better options available. Even if we just trade the pick/player later on.
let's just say
That if it’s a question of Patrick Patterson’s potential versus Craig Brackin’s potential? Let’s trade up for style and substance
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Guess I'm just sick of our innane focus on bench players.
We need stars, period.
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
I hear ya
but Batum and Oden will be stars, and sooner than most people think
and there’s a good chance that trading up in the draft will eventually lead to a veteran player heading Portland’s way, instead of a rookie
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Hate to say it but Kobe Beef was selected #13.
Talent is there, talent can be found anywhere in the draft.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
that was an unusual circumstance
high schoolers were still a bit novel at the time, and Kobe had let it be known he would only play for certain teams, which scared a lot of teams off. At the time, he was regarded as a guy who should be picked higher than that, but teams didn’t want to pick him and watch him sit out a year, which he was threatening to do.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
more L*ker mystique
we curssses them foreverrrrr!
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which is why that 2000-2002 dynasty angered me
their two stars they got because one of them held the rest of the league hostage as an 18 year old in the draft, and the other one walked out of Orlando for less money b/c he wanted to be a Laker. They gave up nothing to get the best player in the league.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Why would I want to go there if they have to trade LaMarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy to get me? I’d want to play with those players —CP3
Exactly. All of those trade rumors that didn’t include the names “Roy” and/or “LMA” made me snicker
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that was what Paul said
It’s not like he’s sitting in the Hornet’s war room, involved in the actual offers. Of course he’s going to ASSUME Roy or LMA would be part of the deal. Anyone would assume that. Doesn’t mean reality isn’t different however. I wonder what Paul would say about coming to Portland if the deal didn’t include either of those two guys?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
even in a three-way trade, we have to give up something to the third team involved
is their anyone already desperate for cap space next year?
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by Honka Playboy on Jun 23, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Dave was right, in that a trade for CP3 is highly unlikely.
OTOH, nobody saw the Camby trade coming either. Consensus was that the Clippers got robbed on that one, although it made fine sense for them on a strictly financial basis.
Hypothetically, if Shinn is in serious money trouble and his minor partner is balking at taking the team, he might just be willing to trade CP3 for JPEC+Dre+13th pick+cash+ something else. Like Maybe Batum, who would fill the role of bring young rising star who also happens to be El Cheapo.
Don’t get me wrong! I love Batum and what he does for us. Would I give him up in a deal that gave us CP3? sigh… yes, yes I would.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 23, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
And Chris Paul is going to play with...David West and Peja Stojakavich?
Instead of B Roy?
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
Woj said that his source said that Chris Paul said...
It didn’t sound exactly like a direct quote or anything. I do agree it would take more than Batum and Joel to get CP3.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
my proposal
joel, dre, batum, oden for cp3 and oakafor
the Blazers’ initial proposal as per Quick:
joel, dre, batum, bayless for cp3 and filler (most likely mo pete)
now back in sunny portland, oregon
Wheels said today that the deal was Miller, Joel, Rudy, and Batum.
Now Wheels could be wrong, but as I commented below it would be almost impossible to do the deal with Roy or LMA since they are BYC after July 1, and no 3rd team was ever mentioned.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry Wheels said it was Miller, Joel, Bayless and Batum, not Rudy.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wheels was pretty clear today that the Blazers didn't offer Roy or LMA.
Plus since they are BYC July 1 (poison pill now), and both PDX and NO are over the cap July 1, there is virtually no way to do a deal involving Roy or LMA without a 3rd team that is under the cap, which has never been even hinted at. So I think it safe to say Roy and LMA were never part of “the deal”. I think Paul is either just guessing this, or he was fed false info from NO to make him feel better about not going to PDX.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose they could do some kind of 3-way trade
where Portland winds up with CP3 and Patrick Patterson and deals LMA, Rudy, Miller etc
CP3 probably won’t mind not playing with LMA so much if Roy and Oden are still around
I just don’t want to part with Batum. Let the Hornets take LMA and figure out what to do with West in some other deal
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I listed 3 example permutations that work with a 3rd team that is far under the cap (i.e. Minn) yesterday.
LMA was included in two of them. But no 3rd team has been even hinted at with respect to “the deal” that was rejected.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
no 3rd team was ever hinted at
and this concerns you because…? Since when is Jason Quick a well-known source of accurate trade predictions?
If Portland is as hell-bent on acquiring CP3 as A-Woj reports, I would think that getting a 3rd team involved would just be a formality
This could all be smokescreens and vaporware, but the last details that I’d be concerned about are a 3rd team “omission” by Quick, or that A-Woj will ever paint Portland’s involvement in any kind of positive light (even after KP is replaced)
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I'm just saying no 3rd team was mentioned, and it isn't that easy to get a 3rd team involved.
The 3rd team must be well under the cap to absorb additional salary from NO. The 3rd team needs a reason to cooperate to allow PDX to get CP3. It probably means PDX has to give up another player to the 3rd team (but not necessarily).
So yeah, the proposed deal could have involved a 3rd team that Wheels didn’t know about, and Wheels could be wrong about the players being Miller, Joel, Bayless, and Batum. But we can dream up almost countless other scenarios that no one reported too.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It probably means PDX has to give up another player to the 3rd team (but not necessarily)
Unless that 3rd team likes Okafur, for whatever reason
The 3-way scenario could result in Portland sending fewer (but better quality) players in the deal. Like Miller, LMA and Webster for instance. (That’s pretty close to what NOLA is asking for, even though neither player has been an all-star—yet) If the Hornets can remove Paul’s and Okafur’s contracts from their payroll and only take back LMA’s LTC, that still a hefty savings for them, long term.
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Exactly. That was in one of my 3-team trade scenarios.
Plus if you look at my scenarios again, if Minn would cooperate in order to get Rudy from us, they could send Love to NO in exchange for Okafur, which also sweetens the deal and makes them younger. If NO didn’t want Love, we could take him and still stay within the 125% trade rule.
But I want to be clear, again, I don’t think NO is willing to trade CP3. I think this is more of a ploy to close the sale of their team.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
But it does give us Bedgers the exercise of setting our long-term roster priorities
Batum > LMA to my way of thinking. I don’t want to shop LMA for “just anything” but if it means grabbing CP3 of Tony Parker, then let’s talk
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So what I take from this is a very clear statement from CP3 that he wants to play
with LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy. He just wouldn’t want to come here to play without them. I feelin’ ya Chris!
Well if he really wanted that he should try to pressure NO into accepting the reported deal that didn't involve Roy or LMA.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
even LeBron doesn't have that kind of power
and CP3 isn’t going to stick it to the NO fans like that, on his way out the door
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Red Flags and signs of Premature E.
Talks between teams happen all the time. Because this is a small market and our only high profile pro team an extraordinary amount of coverage surrounds the Blazers. Nowhere else would a report from the freaking NY Daily News have any kind of leverage. It should surprise no one who has followed this organization for the past year that Rudy is being used as bait. Will anything come from it? The answer is no more apparent after today than it was yesterday.
At this point
I’d trade Rudy to Toronto for the #13 pick and then look at picking up Patterson or Xavier Henry – or perhaps Paul George or Luke Babbitt – Xavier is someone that could turn out to be pretty special.
"Xavier is someone that could turn out to be pretty special."
Sounds familiar… Like everyone on our team not named Brandon Roy.
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
cp3 doesn't shoot down the blazers
what an awful title. it implies something far more dramatic than what is actually in the article.
and given wojodouche’s repetitive posting of vindictive sentiments against the blazers’ management (most of which are completely baseless), i don’t understand why he still gets front page treatment here.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
I like how Awoj...
singles out Portland. Like were the only team that’s so called “tampering” and “cozied” up to Paul. c’mon now.
by blazerbeliever on Jun 23, 2010 10:45 PM PDT reply actions
Mark Warkentien is after Larry Miller's job, now
that must be it
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by two4larue on Jun 23, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Chris Paul's take on this is spot-on.
Why be the lone star on a fair team, again.
He needs to come to Portland via free agency. That would be sweet.
Then you’d see a stacked team.
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Portland's not going to be under the cap for 5+ years
so if CP3 comes it will have to be via trade
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by the time you got done trading
it would be Chris playing with a bunch of rooks
got to match salaries, and give up something that hurts
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Strange that it's taken all this front office turmoil for KP to realize that fact.
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
I do too.
I think we all want to see the CP3/Roy/Batum/LMa/Oden lineup because it would absolutely rule.
Dreams …
dreams …
… dreams ….
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No pain, no gain.
Pau Gasol repeat ain’t happenin for KP. Gotta give something to get something.
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
Chris Paul is not a free agent, so he isn't coming that way.
Plus Portland has about $71M in salaries next year. Paul would come in at about $17M because he has a trade kicker in his contract. So the Blazers would have to dump more than $30M in salary to make room for Chris Paul.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul mentions nothing about Batum though.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
by llamaiguana on Jun 23, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Most definitely
but I think Batum would sweeten the deal for NO maybe without giving up LA or BROY.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
by llamaiguana on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
my lack of lateral quickness and core strength present serious match-ups issues on the defensive end of the floor.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't be any worse than El Rudy, Ben.
Roy, Aldridge, Paul, Ben, Oden.
RAPBO. Bottom line.
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Come to the Rose Garden
And get PROABed.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jun 23, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy finally gets his prescious starting spot.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
by llamaiguana on Jun 23, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Paul + Blazers - Batum > Rudy
Every time. But I seriously shudder about thinking of Batum leaving the Blazers.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
by llamaiguana on Jun 23, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
but why would you keep LMA and deal Batum?
Seriously, Nic is younger, cheaper, and plays a starting position that’s been traditionally tough for the Blazers to fill, via the draft. Batum’s upside > LMA’s at this point in their careers
If I have to pick one of them to deal for a PG like CP3 or Parker? It’s been nice knowing you, LMA
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because NO doesn't want LMA?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
You mean they don't want another soft, 10 jump shots and 2 rbds per game PF?
Come on…
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I can't control what they want
only what I’m willing to offer them
Batum and Roy aren’t on that list, but LMA would probably have to be. The Hornets can solve the Aldridge-West conflict at the 4 fairly easily with a seperate deal, if they choose to
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
why would a team interested in saving money trade for Aldridge when they already have a cheaper, equally good PF in David West?
I answered that above
you would need to get a 3rd team involved that has the capspace to take on Okafur’s salary. (In effect, they’d be trading two max contracts for one near-max and saving around 50 mil over the next 4 years)
And if the Hornets were to acquire LMA, West would be fairly easy to move, if they choose to.
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Because upside isn't always achieved?
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you satisfied with the upside that LMA has achieved
enough to hold onto him when a quality PG like P3 or TP is available?
I’ve seen enough of Batum to rank him ahead of LMA, going forward. No one can predict injuries, but most experts are predicting greatness for Nic and it’s not hard to see why. Portland can replace LMA right now with players on the roster. No, not his scoring at the 4, but some ofthse touches will go to a healthy Greg and to the starting PG that would hypothetically replace him
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That is a very important question, so I will give you a serious answer.
I think LMA will continue improve his skills, but I haven’t yet seen the aggressiveness from him that he needs to be an elite player. In a sense he’s like Rasheed in that respect, but I don’t think he is terrified of being a go-to guy like Rasheed was when he was here. He talks sincerely of being determined to become an all-star player, more than just the usual say-what-they-want-to-hear talk. I think he really wants that, but hasn’t figured out how to get there yet. I think he believes that just becoming more skilled will get him there, but in fact that alone won’t do it. He also needs to become more aggressive in his style of play.
I’m not convinced Lucas could have helped him get there, so it may be a good thing that Lucas will not return to a coaching role. I don’t think that Luke’s own determination as a player transferred well to the Blazer players. Conversely, I thought LMA seemed quite receptive to Camby’s attitude and example in the short time they played together last year, and he may prove to be a major influence on LMA’s career. I don’t think LMA is ever going to become a semi-thug, but I think he could become considerably tougher with the right example to follow. It takes longer for bigs to develop, and for some that aren’t born with it, acquiring the aggressiveness and toughness to knock a few people out of the way is part of their development. (Oden is just the opposite. He badly needs skill development – he has almost none – but he has plenty of toughness and aggressiveness already.)
I don’t see any ceiling on his skills development. I think he will extend the range of his jump shot over the next couple of years (as he started doing last year), and conversely I think he will develop better post moves over the next few years too. He already has a superb midrange game. I think he will have an amazingly versatile range of weapons. His numbers have remained very consistent over the last 3 years, but I don’t think that means his skills are static at all. He scores proportional to his touches (his shooting percentages have been between 48% and 50% all four years) and his shot attempts have been incredibly consistent (15.3, 15.3, 15.0 the last three years), but the types of shots he uses have become more varied as he adds to his skills. Give him a couple more shots per game, particularly in the 4th quarter, make him just a bit more of a go-to guy, and I think he averages 22 points a game (4 more than now).
His rebounding is a little disappointing (although very consistent 7.6, 7.5, 8.0 the last 3 years), but he can definitely improve that if he becomes more aggressive. Again, I think Camby is going to have a positive effect on LMA’s rebounding. I see no reason that LMA can’t become a consistent 20-10 guy in just a couple of years, rather than the 18-8 guy that he is now. At 24 years old, he is still quite young for a big man.
Bottom line, I’m probably a lot higher on LMA than many people here. I think giving him up would be a tragic long term mistake (a much larger mistake than giving up O’Neal was) for anything less than an all-star big-man, or a super-star guard. So I would trade him to get Chris Paul, but not to get Tony Parker.
To me there is currently a higher probability of LMA becoming an all-star (and much sooner) than Batum becoming an all-star. That may switch around when we see another year or two of Batum playing more minutes. But both are quite capable of becoming all-star level players. Batum has loads of potential, but he is so young it is difficult to predict how much of that potential will get realized. We see 3 years of consistency in LMA, and he is tested on a nightly basis by the best bigs other teams can defend him with. We don’t know yet if Batum’s great shooting this year will hold up when he plays more minutes and defenses focus more on him. We don’t know how much he will be able to get to the basket, or what kind of rebounder, or passer he can become. He’s just too young for us (well, me) to know yet.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
his shot attempts have been incredibly consistent (15.3, 15.3, 15.0 the last three years), but the types of shots he uses have become more varied as he adds to his skills. Give him a couple more shots per game, particularly in the 4th quarter
I’m not sure those extra shots are going to be there for LMA in Portland, because a healthy Oden and a developing Batum are going to require them. He leveled off this year even though the roster was decimated by injuries, if anything, he should have had more touches in 2009-2010 but he didn’t “demand” them
The kind of interest that Nic is receiving from around the league should tell you all you need to know about his upside
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For someone who thinks we need more vets and immediate contributors
you sure do seem to be harping on Nic’s upside.
The reason you trade Nic for CP3 and not LMA is this: making a trade for bona fide All-Star says “we’re done building, now we want to win.” That’s going all in. Between Batum and Aldridge, who is going to do more for our championship hopes, say, 5 years from now? Most likely Batum. But if we make a push THIS upcoming season, who is going to make a bigger difference? Easily LMA.
Personally, and I’ve said this before, given the progression and ceilings of Nic, Greg, and Jerryd, I don’t think we need to win now. But IF we made a trade for Chris Paul, it would be a clear sign that PA and KP don’t agree with me. Wing positions are easy to fill, and we already have a decent replacement in Webster. We have no such replacement for LMA (though that could change if we draft Patterson).
But if we make a push THIS upcoming season, who is going to make a bigger difference? Easily LMA
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. By this time next year, a lot more Bedgers could be saying Batum > LMA
I just like to stay ahead of the curve. I don’t see the conflict re: “winning now” and keeping Nic in the starting lineup and giving him 35+ mpg. Portland is a better team with Frenchy in the game
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I'm all for keeping LMA
But I don’t ever see him avg 10 or more rebs per game, he is just not asked by this coaching staff to do it, with Camby and Oden playing next to him, they will gobble up those rebs so I’m not worried about it either. It is just a fact of life, we as Blazer fans will have to get use to.
I can see him upping his scoring avg to 20+ a night, maybe not 22, but 20+ giving him 1 or 2 more shots a game is all it will take.
Personally I think the shot selection of this team is pretty poor, and that is a reflection on the coaching staff. Roy, LMA and Oden should be getting the most shot attempts each game. When all 3 were playing last year, that was not always the case, and many times a random role player would take shots away from one of them.
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Note I said 20-10 in a couple of years.
So Camby will be retired by then. I’m banking on LMA learning (hopefully from Camby) that he needs to become more aggressive (a bit tougher) over the next couple of years if he wants to fulfill his dream of becoming an all-star level player. And I think he will be utilized more in the 4th quarter because LMA can almost always get his bread and butter shots. We have been over-dependent on Brandon and need a better mix of offense in close games. Yes, if Oden became really dominant it could decrease LMA’s numbers, but if that happens I’m still a happy camper if both of them are playing well together.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You need to rewrite the headline. I expected to hear Chris Paul diss Portland or something when I read that.
Instead he just spoke the truth, why come here if you don’t get to play with B-Roy?
Is Bosh shooting down Portland if he says Aldridge has his spot and he would not want to come here?
i agree with paul
if we trade roy and LMA for paul, we pretty much become the hornets
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
draft Ekpe Udoh
by thomasikehara on Jun 24, 2010 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Colbert: “I agree with the president’s decision to hire Petraeus. After all, under his leadership, we’ve already defeated one hostile Muslim nation. I am referring, of course, to Algeria. Goooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaalllllll….”
by jksnake99 on Jun 23, 2010 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
but it was so rec-worthy...
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Seraphin
is the guy I want even if he dosen’t come overseas right away. Seeing as most people think that whoever we draft won’t make a huge impact right away anyway, I almost perfer it.
by agregs_and_odens on Jun 23, 2010 11:41 PM PDT reply actions
Mike Rice was predicting Seraphin last week.
But today he was off suggesting the Blazers could move into the top 5 somehow. So he’s probably wrong as usual.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta say tonight was a little bit underwhelming. even with 3 solid rumors, a tampering charge and a french colony.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2010 11:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good work today Ben.
Either we go from Little Beirut to French Guiana overnight, or we see you at the 3. Either way, rest up.
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Way 2 go today, Ben, thanks for the tireless work.
End of the day odds for a blockbuster deal tomorrow?
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I'll be checkin in all day Ben, thanks.
And consider me another Twitter follower…:)
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A new position for you doesn't count?
I’d say that’s solid upgrade, Ben Golliver at the small forward. (With CP3 at point of course, nothin against you.)
Posterizing Pau since 2008...
I like the Seraphim idea
That dude sounds like a beast. Ideally we could get him at 22. I’d be more than happy with that.
great work
Been fun to follow this all day, I have a feeling italic phrase something will happen tomorrow.
Bat88m
Ben, you kill me bro..
On the Woj piece you state that Paul “wasn’t feeling it” with regard to coming to Portland. He said he wouldn’t want to play here if Roy and LMA weren’t here. He didn’t say that he didn’t want to play here. It’s two completely different things. To say “Paul wasn’t feeling it” is a mis-leading headline because it implies that he won’t come here. That isn’t what he said.
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