Mike Rice Hinting At Blazers Trading Up in Draft
Mike Rice just hinted on Wheels at Work that he thinks he knows who the Blazers will draft tomorrow, but that a few things need to happen first. He said that exciting things should happen for the Blazers around a quarter to 5pm. What spot would be picking 15 minutes into the draft? Looks like we might be trading up after all.
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In that;
While you love the guy; you don’t believe anything he says or trust him.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Bat88m
Definitely
He sounded like he had some inside information, but who knows with Mike Rice.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
I won't put too much stock in it.
but that would be a top 5 pick. my guess is IF there is anything behind this, which I wouldn’t bet on, is that it involves Minnesota’s 4th pick. They’ve been shopping it pretty hard, and especially with word coming down that the Nets are going to take Johnson at 3, this one makes the most sense.
Unless we have reconsidered the Batum deal, which I doubt, perhaps we’ve got them interested in something else. No idea what that would be though.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Rudy for the #4?
Kahn will complete his big day by swapping Zach and Memphis’s late first rounders for Jefferson and #16. Then he will trade #4 to us for Rudy claiming that he just obtained the best back-court in the League and had no need for a big at #4 with a fearsome set of twin 6-9 defensive stalwarts anchoring his masterpiece.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Batum back in to get Paul?
If we were giving the go ahead on Batum for the 4 as part of the package to get Paul……?
Down with the Ruskies
hmmm
if the bar is set at Devin Harris and the 3rd for Paul, and we can offer the 4th plus Miller, Oden, and change, is that better? do we like where that leaves us?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
It all depends on what we'd be giving up to get the 4th pick
But I like this deal. Giving up Oden would sting, but I’d rather trade him now while he still has value than wait, have him get hurt again, and then try to trade him. I’m not saying this will happen, but I’d probably rather be safe than sorry.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
my scenario was based upon the assumption Batum was traded for the 4th
not saying I like it, just running through the scenario
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
If that's the case, I'm not sure.
I think Batum and Oden will be the core of our defense next year. If we trade both those guys away, Webster and Camby are still decent fill-ins, but I wouldn’t feel good about it. I’m actually against trading for a super-star like Paul just because of how much we’d have to give up. I’d much rather go after someone like Collison and keep our main four of Roy, Batum, Oden, and Aldridge (those are the four I don’t want to trade. Anyone else is fair game in my mind).
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
We wouldn't be a championship team
Paul, Roy, LA, Camby, and change isn’t going to win it all. If we trade Oden, Batum, Miller, and some of Marty/Rudy/Bayless for Paul, we won’t have enough left. Frankly, I don’t see how we would be any better than New Orleans is now (when healthy). A big 3 of Paul, Roy, and LA lacks the balance of the championship caliber big 3s. And our supporting cast would be iffy at best, unless some of our Euros really pan out.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
i gotta agree
figure we would have Przybilla, Bayless, and Martell off the bench, plus the lesser guys. We could add someone with the MLE this year, and hope to find role players to fill in around. But yeah, doesn’t look like a title team to me either.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Agree
Don’t want to give up Batum – not for the 4 or for CP3 – unless the deal was Batum, Miller, Bayless and Joel – wouldn’t include Batum if it included Oden or LMA. I would agree that you trade far less and look at Collison or take chance on a player like Conley and let him play behind Miller and see how he continues to develop – to me it’s a better choice then some of what I’ve heard for CP3 – althought there is a lot ot like about Paul.
I don't see how we win a championship with CP3, Roy and no dominant big man.
We’d also have to give up at least Batum to get the 4th pick.
We couldn’t beat Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum with Roy/CP3 and Camby, LMA, and Przy. Camby is too old, Przy too iffy (to play anything like before, if at all), and LMA too soft without an Oden beside him.
But we can win a championship with Roy, Batum, and LMA, if Oden comes back and stays healthy for a couple of years to learn his craft. We have to give Oden more time if we want to win a championship.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Surely the Blazers feel this way too...
So if they really offered Oden for CP3, what’s that say about Oden? Because JQ made it sound like Batum was part of the NO deal too. IF we were truly willing to part with Oden and Batum for CP3, that pretty clearly means the front office has lost faith in Oden.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Oden was never in the CP3 deal. It was Miller, Joel, Rudy, and Batum.
Wheels has been talking about it all day.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
if that was the deal
That’s a no-brainer for us, and I can see why NO stopped talking.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Seriously...
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
no wonder NOLA turned it down
no all-stars in that crew, although I have high hopes for Frenchy
and BT Smith’s “2 solid” sources said that Portland hasn’t offered Miller/Przy to anyone this week
like I’ve been saying for 6 weeks now, it’s open season for smokescreens and obfuscation. and every sportswriter’s sources are better than the writer in the next cubicle over
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
offered being a very subjective term, so take that with a grain of salt
no doubt discussions were had for Paul, those obviously would have included at least one of those two guys, so there a lot of smokescreening by those 2 solid sources right there.
It’s just that time of year – so much bull, it’s hard to sort out the truth.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I'm sorry, Wheels said it was Miller, Joel, Bayless and Batum, not Rudy.
But the point is the same, no Oden in the deal.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
We’d also have to give up at least Batum to get the 4th pick.
Maybe the wild one knows something? Perhaps Kahn is getting desperate and he’d be willing to flip his #4 without Batum being part of the deal? (Even so, there’s no one who would be available there that I’m geeked about…unless it’s part of a deal to acquire a veteran)
But we can win a championship with Roy, Batum, and LMA, if Oden comes back and stays healthy for a couple of years to learn his craft.
Especially if a “sherpa” PG like Tony Parker can be added to that mix sometime during the next 8 months without costing Portland any of their big 4
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
we know Kahn wants Rudy
maybe he likes him enough to consider moving the 4 for him, our pick, and maybe a guy like Bayless or Webster. Just thinking out loud.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
That's fine as long we got a deal lined up for a veteran with that #4 pick.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed 100%
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
the guys at blogabull
are laughing at our overvaluing of our young players
is it true? do we way overvalue our young players? and think everyone will be a HOF?
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
by axel360 on Jun 23, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's interesting.
I think it’s hard not to overvalue your own players a little bit, but I don’t think they know how good Batum is, either. He does a lot of the little things that go unnoticed. Think about this last year when he first came back from his injury and the team’s play instantly improved. Whoever is available at the 4 could be a really good player, but we’ve already seen a couple years of Batum and know that he will be a really good player.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Just seems we are way too reluctant to let go of our young talent
…maybe KP gets a bit too emotionally attached to them?
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
I doubt KP gets too attached as it's his job and a business for him.
I understand fans becoming too attached, though. I know I probably overvalue Batum, but he’s also my favorite player, so I’m ok with it. :)
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
PA Nix's some deals, too
"I'm passing it down," Howard said. "Showing the guys that, hey, here's an example of a guy who played 16 years. If you don't want to listen and get the valuable, free information from him - soak it up like a sponge - then you've got to be a damn fool."
Yes and no
I think the fans overvalue our young guys. I think all fans do that.
But I’m very suspicious of the story that KP grossly overvalues his guys. I think it’s a product of several things. First, we have a lot of young talent. I’m sure other GMs want it. And when they try to trade for it and don’t get it, some probably spin stories about KP overvaluing it. Those stories get out and catch on with the media. Over time to the story sticks. Second, these stories often come from incomplete information. Take the supposed CP3 deal, for instance. On the radio the other day, they all initially thought the Blazers killed the deal b/c they wouldn’t part with Batum. They lambasted KP for that. Then they found out that NO killed the deal. The truth is, we don’t know what the potential offers were. We don’t know what KP was and wasn’t willing to do, and that’s true of every deal. Incomplete information helps fuel the overvalue story. And finally, I think the Blazers have somewhat idiosyncratic reasons for valuing players. Meaning, even if we don’t over-value our guys’ talent, we may value them more highly than other teams due to things like character and chemistry.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
blogabull's fans
are notorious for hating on their own players
so consider the source
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Fans just don't get it. Trading Oden ends the championship dream as far as we can see. Roy and Aldridge won't get that done
alone. So we trade Oden and stay in the middle. Like KP said, he doesn’t want to be that team every year making it but never advancing in the playoffs. If we trade Oden, it would be beyond moronic unless we got a superstar. Which is not going to happen.
Agreed: A Healthy Greg Oden means a championship run
And that is with what we have!
What would our rebounding percentage be when Oden is at Center and Camby is filling in behind LMA?
We need more shooters, and that will be more obvious as Oden gains a move going into camp and soaks up defenders next season down low. Rudy got broken by LA, and doesn’t want to play for Nate anymore, anyway. Batum’s shot is developing, Bayless’s shot is supposed to be improving. We can hope Marty steps up. But we should pick up someone like Kleiza who’ll give other teams fits, and a back-up PG who can rain 3s (even though I fear Nate would overuse him).
We also need more muscle at forward. What defensive bangers are out there to pick up this year?
Another two shooters and a banger, a healthy Oden, a healthy Roy, and a healthy Batum — and hey!
"I'm passing it down," Howard said. "Showing the guys that, hey, here's an example of a guy who played 16 years. If you don't want to listen and get the valuable, free information from him - soak it up like a sponge - then you've got to be a damn fool."
a back-up PG who can rain 3s (even though I fear Nate would overuse him).
If it was Blake, yeah. But not if it was Keyon Dooling (and KD would probably come cheaper than Steve…maybe even for the BAE)
The L*kers are looking at acquiring Raja Bell? Now who was just telling me that RB was all washed up the other day? (looking at you, NickVE…)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Man with all this Batum chatter
I may just start a “Keep Batum Rally”.
by blazerbeliever on Jun 23, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions
I'd support that
I don’t think it takes much basketball knowledge to see the potential this kid has. I’d go into this draft willing to deal several of our younger players, Bayless, Rudy, but it would take a lot to get me to be willing to give up Batum – he could end up being one of the better SF’s in the west in a few years – currently plays good defense, is fluid in the open court – and is a decent outside shooter who has the looks of only getting better, and has the willingness to work on his game, seems to have a good attitude and be a coachable player – a lot to like about this kid. .
For the 4th pick
If Minnesota wants to deal the pick, I’d deal Rudy and Webster – Rudy and Bayless, but not Bayless.
Would be happy to take Favors with the pick and let him develop behind LMA…would not want to take Cousins – and as long as Pritchard is still making the pick, I don’t think Cousins would be the pick.
At that point, moving up from the 22nd and taking a shooter, Xavier Henry?…or look for a 2 with the MLE – someone like a Kyle Korver.
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