Blazers Trade Up For #34 Pick In Draft
Matt Steinmetz, a Comcast SportsNet reporter who covers the Golden State Warriors, tweets that the Warriors and the Portland Trail Blazers have exchanged second round draft choices.
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Warriors exchange second-round draft picks with Portland. Warriors get No. 44 and cash for No. 34.
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Update: The Blazers have confirmed the report.
There is no argument against this type of move if money isn't an issue. The top of the second round is a prime spot for flexibility and value. It's the location that produced Jeff Pendergraph and Dante Cunningham last year.
Although talent exists well into the second round in this year's draft, the #34 pick is that much more attractive for: packaging the two picks to move up the board, ensuring that you come away with a second round target like Trevor Booker, or catching a late-first guy like Craig Brackins if he slides.
Update (1:37PM): Steinmetz reports the move cost the Blazers more than $1 million dollars.
Jonathan Givony thinks the Blazers are targeting either Booker or Gani Lawal.
Chad Ford thinks it could be a pick package.
Jason Quick has KP splashing cold water on the package talk.
Update (10:03PM):
Adrian Wojnarowski writes that the price tag for the pick switch was actually $2 million.
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KP up to his usual antics
I like it
by yellow hummer on Jun 21, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
early 2nd round pick - great place to be
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
PA putting down some cash
looks like we can put to rest all the blah blah that Paul Allen isn’t going to let KP wheel and deal this year.
"Basketball is a business." --everyone involved with the basketball business except Blazers fans
yes paul allen
This is awesome. This is fantastic. go P.A. Go K.P.
Well, we're movin' on up
Jefferson’s theme, from way back in the day
The scouts have said that the draft is 35 deep, so this kind of deal shouldn’t be surprising
Now if only KP can use some more of PA’s money to trade up from 22 into the teens?…I’m sure discussions are underway
Is Brackins really worth the 34th pick in this year’s draft, and is he a better option at 4 than Pendergraph, who was seen as a “safer” choice than DeJuan freaking Blair last June?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
This is where we differ
I saw this post and the A-Team theme song went off in my head…
Draft Cole Aldrich
hmmm....
who’s in the 34 range that they like? Pondexter?
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Could be a lot of people, but he's one name they are linked to
If there is another deal going on involving Rudy or Jerryd, of course the guards (Warren, White, Johnson, etc.) get more interesting here
White
Terrico at 34 would be an absolute steal IMO. I don’t think the Blazers are even looking at him though. What’s going on @ One Center Court
name one player you ARE impressed with
just a single one in the entire NBA
dinasour type of guys choir boys
yes mittsabishy, because I don’t like Aldridge’s game and I don’t think White is an NBA rotation player, you are perfectly correct to extrapolate that I am not impressed with any NBA player.
I bet Terrico White will have to shift over from the 1 to the wing -- such as Kyle Weaver ...
a couple years ago — to even make it in the NBA. With that said, White seems like a guy who Nate McMillan would pick at #34 if he got to make the call. Thankfully, however, McMillan likely doesn’t have that kind of power—yet.
I don't hate the guy, but Terrico White is a very passive player -- although Nate ...
McMillan loves tall, fit, athletic guards who are methodical and don’t commit many turnovers — thus, I could see “Sarge” pushing for him. White, however, could bust pretty easily like Mardy Collins, Cedric Bozeman, Reece Gaines, Jeryl Sasser, et al.
kind of like Dante Cunningham was all horrible?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 21, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still not a fan of pick-and-pop 4s whose offensive game is based on the most inefficient ...
shot in basketball (i.e., the mid-range jumper); however, Dante Cunningham has proven himself to be a satisfactory 11th/12th man. Cunningham, however, is the exact reason why the Portland Trail Blazers don’t need Craig Brackins, Trevor Booker, et al.
I'd say Dante is more like a 9th man than a 12th
high energy, decent defender who can hit the open jumper at a good clip, as well as run the floor and crash the boards.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
On a healthy roster, Dante Cunningham is the 10th man at best.
On a well-balanced roster, however, Cunningham would be a third-stringer who fills the 11th/12th man role — which means he dresses, but only plays due to foul troulbe or in an emergency — yet, that’s just my opinion of him.
+1
Dante is, imo, highly overrated. If we’re counting on him for anything more than garbage time, it’s not a good sign.
Gotta say, Joey Crawford recognizes the importance of having a big 3rd quarter. He always brings it after halftime. - J.A. Adande
by blazeraddict on Jun 21, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Dante Cunningham is a so-so one-dimensional player.
I don’t mind having him on the active roster at a minimum-level salary, but there’s no way he should be a rotation player on an annual playoff contender.
I think one dimensional is a little unfair
He crashes the boards as well as LMA (and that’s as a rookie), blocks a little, can play above the rim quite well, has the ability to become an incredibly versatile defender, and shoots a little. The problem is that Mac overuses his shooting ability rather than developing his inside game.
Other than that, he is currently undersized for the 4 spot, but he’s fine as a backup.
I take comfort in the notion that ...
Cunningham’s career is in Cunningham’s hands, not AK’s.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
one-dimensional on offense, maybe
I think he would be an ideal role player on a championship contender. Affordable.
Plays hard every second he’s out on the floor.
Never tries to do more than he’s capable of doing.
Sticks his nose in there.
Fundamentally strong in every area.
You must have a different value system re: what it takes to win playoff games
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I wouldn't call Dante Cunningham a "role player," but rather a benchwarmer ...
who can come in and give you decent minutes in a pinch. That’s fine for an 11th man or so, though.
One thing I've noticed about Dante, especially live
They always seems to be in the right place at the right time. At first I thought it was a coincidence, but it kept happening over and over. While I agree that he is somewhat limited in his skills and physique, he has either good instincts or has had exceptional coaching. That, combined with his hustle and an ability to do a number of things decently, could make him a decent role player if things go right for him. I’d guess his ceiling is around 7th man, but I expect him somewhere in the 8-10th.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
Ugh, the thought of another superfluous 4 like Craig Brackins or Trevor Booker makes me sick.
Quite frankly, a part of me would prefer to send Chad Buchanan and Mike Born back to Kansas City.
crawford as a replacment for bayless?
Jordan Crawford is projected around here. If we package bayless for something, he could come in as the 800k backup….
Hard to bust when you're taken #34 ...
or #27 as DXPress currently has him.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
We can all rest easy after this masterpiece trade
KP did it. His job is safe. Soon we will be drafting the next Milsap or Arenas and the Vulcans will curse the day their home planet was destroyed…..wait what?
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As for the Blazers...They are officially the NBA equivalent of a movie serial killer
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by Magnum on Jun 21, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Love it
tons of value here.
If anyone has espn insider, Chad Ford has a mock draft from “one of the best drafting GM’s in the league.” Ford lists this GM’s top 20 picks. Fairly certain its Pritchard if anyone is interested.
Here's the draft list
Since the actualy GM Mock was only just a list at the end, I can link that part here.
1. Wizards: John Wall
2. Sixers: Evan Turner
3. Nets: Derrick Favors
4. Timberwolves: Wesley Johnson
5. Kings: DeMarcus Cousins
Note: Monroe had a terrific workout over the weekend. Sounds like Monroe and Cousins are neck and neck here.
6. Warriors: Greg Monroe
Note: Interestingly, after the positive workout, Monroe had a shaky one in Golden State on Sunday. You don’t want to be outplayed by Omar Samhan when you’re trying to talk a team into drafting you at No. 6. This may change.
7. Pistons: Al-Farouq Aminu
8. Clippers: Gordon Hayward
Note: If you’re comparing to our Mock Draft 5.0, we have the first eight in the exact same order. From here, it changes significantly.
9. Jazz: Ed Davis
Note: I think you’ll see Mock Draft 6.0 take up this suggestion. I’ve been hearing all week that Davis doesn’t get past No. 9 if Monroe is off the board. Sorry, Luke Babbitt.
10. Pacers: Ekpe Udoh
Note: This also seems like a good bet. We’ve had Davis falling here for the past two weeks. But Udoh was the guy we had in Indy for our first two mock drafts.
11. Hornets: Cole Aldrich
12. Grizzlies: Luke Babbitt
13. Raptors: Eric Bledsoe
Note: That’s the first major surprise I’ve heard so far. I’ve had them higher on Avery Bradley for months … but maybe he knows something I don’t.
14. Rockets: Patrick Patterson
15. Bucks: Xavier Henry
16. Timberwolves: Paul George
Note: I think this is probably too low for George. I put him here in my last mock draft but continue to hear he’s strongly in the mix for the Clips, Indy and Memphis. Hard to see him sliding past all three.
17. Bulls: Damion James
18. Heat: Avery Bradley
19. Celtics: Solomon Alabi
20. Spurs: Daniel Orton
Note: The Spurs need a big man and they could rip out the heart of folks in OKC if they take Orton one pick ahead of the Thunder.
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I seriously can't be the only one that's not buying Hayward as a top 10 draft pick
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
I don't get it, either, for Gordon Hayward will be nothing more than a mediocre role player in the ...
mold of Mike Dunleavy, Jr. So yeah, the Los Angeles Clippers will be making a terrible decision if it reaches by drafting Hayward with the 8th pick.
Why did you pick another white guy to describe Hayward?
Because he’s white, athletic, and can shoot then he MUST be just like Dunleavy, right?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
They're both actually streaky, inefficient shooters, as well as skilled dribblers who are ...
oddly poor facilitators — which is noted by very mediocre assist rates — for their teammates. Additionally, Gordon Hayward is far, far from athletic; he put up poor numbers at the combine.
agreed
and I’m thrilled that they would do such a thing.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 21, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you...
He’s the Tyler Hansborough of this year’s draft……
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Joe Alexander is kind of a rare case, as well as almost the antithesis of Gordon Hayward.
Alexander was an athletic specimen who supposedly had oodles of raw, untapped potential, while Hayward somehow wows folks based on his skill set — which is mediocre at best to me — thus, there’s a gaping difference between them.
So, we know it can only be one of 11 GM's
since a GM creating this mock-up wouldn’t reveal his own pick…
It’s probably KP, and it’s probably all smoke and mirrors…
Happier than normal
it’s nice
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
What it might do is allow them to take
best available in Round 1 and look to shore up frontcourt in second round.
It's kind of a bad year to do that.
There’s talent up to about 40 in this year’s draft. That guaranteed contract isn’t much, and there’s bound to be at least a guy or two they like. The 34 pick is valuable though if they use it or trade it because of what you note, no guaranteed contract.
Step 1. Get 34th Pick
Step 2. ??
Step 3. Get Lebron
Its all part of the process.
by kurtyk on Jun 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
KP is just following the "Underpants Gnome Model". I like it.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
by axel360 on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Chad Ford seems to think we're trying to get ahead of the Spurs.
Two league sources told ESPN.com that the Blazers (who pick at No. 22) have been very active in trade discussions. Specifically, the team has been hunting for a pick in the mid-first round — somewhere between 16 and 19. They appear to be trying to move ahead of the San Antonio Spurs, who pick 20.
Maybe 22+44 couldn’t do it but 22+34 can do it.
Just a theory.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
that was my thinking as well
but why not Rudy + 22 to move up into the teens? (’Wolves, 16)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I still think Rudy is too valuable to trade him and only get a move from 22 to 16 in return.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Hopefully...
if this is true, then the #16-19 could be for one of those big-man projects (Sanders, Orton, Alabi) that the Blazers package in a consolidation trade for an elite player.
Via Chad Ford's twitter
Blazers swap the 44th pick & cash for the 34th pick. They like some guys at 34, but could package with 22 to move up a few spots
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Givony of Draftexpress reacts
Portland moves up to #34 in exchange for cash. My guess is they’re going after either Gani Lawal or Trevor Booker at that spot.
If so, Chad Buchanan and Mike Born need me to pen a book on roster construction and send it to them.
For whatever reason, the Portland Trail Blazers under the Kevin Pritchard administration constantly overload at the 4 position and trot out unbalanced rosters.
The last time we were overloaded at the 4 ...
was when Rasheed and Grant were fighting for playing time, and that was hardly KP’s doing. But even so, we made it to the WCF, so lots of talent at the 4 is hardly a bad thing.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
The 1999-2000 Portland Trail Blazers was really a well-balanced roster stocked with 3 power ...
forwards in starter Rasheed Wallace, backup Brian Grant, and third-stringer Antonio Harvey. It also had 3 true centers, too, in starter Arvydas Sabonis, backup Jermaine O’Neal, and third-stringer Joe Kleine.
maybe he's got a mole?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Maybe that’s why we’ve heard so little from KP lately. The Spurs have a scout named Previn Kitchard who sits in on all their draft meetings.
The man with the heavy black sharpie mustache?
I’ve seen him nice guy but quiet.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Cousins stock rising?
NBA source says both Detroit & Houston are making a major push to trade w/Minnesota to get Cousins with the 4th pick. “His stock is rising.”
http://twitter.com/DraftExpress
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
does it count as rising if he was originally the consensus #3 until he acted like a doofus and also got fat?
dinasour type of guys choir boys
i was wondering the same thing
apparently, the Warriors have pretty much publicly announced they will take him at 6 if he’s on the board. maybe they are trying to goad someone else into taking him ahead of that because they really don’t want him?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
by douglast on Jun 21, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to remember the draft class with the two big guys who were early first round busts
of course there was the Candy man in 1998
Never Nervous Pervis was selected #1, in ’89
William Bedford and Roy Tarpley were cautionary tales back in ’86, that must have been it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If DeMarcus Cousins is a bust, it won't be due to a lack of talent.
For Derrick Favors, there’s a strong possibility that he may bust like Stromile Swift.
Cousins could be more like Dinner Bell Mel Turpin
and it wasn’t a lack of talent that ran Tarpley out of the league
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I think Cousins is going to crush people next year. Dude is ferocious.
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by dario argento on Jun 21, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
that's a David Kahn smokescreen
trying to make favors fall to 4
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 21, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I forgot to mention I saw Toy Story 3D last night. I liked it, especially the second half.
The middle had a bit of a lull in the story and odd arguments. The characters are nicely animated and voiced as always.
i did, big time
wife looked at me and said “are you kidding me?”
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
i took my kids to see it too
agreed about the lull.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
This was an expected move
It’s become routine for KP to use PA’s pocketbook to move up and or buy draft picks. Let’s see what else he’s got up his sleeve.
Bat88m
As a Ga Tech fan I have watched all of Gani Lawal games in the ACC and I would draft Booker over Lawal since it seems that Portland has their eye on one of the two.
Lawal offensive game is below average to be frank but he is super athlectic, runs the floor better than any PF in the draft. Lawal makes his living in the paint and is an excellent rebounder and is very good defensive player. Lawal and his FT shooting is pretty horrible but no one will out work him.
Booker has a much better offensive game than Lawal….built in the mode of a Paul Millsapp or poor man’s Carlos Boozer. Booker would compliment the Blazer’s front line well. When compared to the Blazers second rd pics last year in Cunningham and Pendergraph…….Booker might be better than both of them right now.
I don’t think either player will make it to the second round this year but I think KP has his eyes set on moving up into the teens this year. Maybe KP likes the Patterson kid from Kentucky.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
I thought they had their eye on Craig Brackins?
I wish they’d keep their eye on the ball, instead
When compared to the Blazers second rd pics last year in Cunningham and Pendergraph…….Booker might be better than both of them right now
So is Dejuan Blair…sigh
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
There must be more....
to this move yet to be seen; such as moving up or out of the first round all together. Otherwise a million dollars is a lot to gamble on moving up 10 spots……Vegas would be more fun!
Thats how bad they wanted to get rid of Sergio. LOL
Do you remember who we picked on that deal? My memory is trashed….
Sergio, the 38th pick and cash for the 31st pick (Jeff Pendergraph).
Paul Allen is an idiot.
I am afraid the Pendy pick is not going to amount to much.
Probably just a throw in on a future trade.
Maybe we can package #22 pick + Pendergraph, along with cash considerations
for the 19th pick in the draft? lol
yeah
The only thing Pendy really brings to the table is his crazy/nasty toughness bit. That doesn’t really help if you can’t get off the bench because you just aren’t talented enough on either end of the court.
Great guy, good heart, just not enough talent to ever be a rotation player on a good team.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Yeah I just don't think Pendy and Dante both have futures on the Blazers
and I’ve always been a Dante guy
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
I still like Dante, and think he was a good pick if for trade,
or to develop I think we can get some good value for him.
At best, Jeff Pendergraph will be a rotation player for a mediocre team just like Etan ...
Thomas once was for the Washington Wizards. Beyond that, Pendergraph brings nothing to the table — except for perceived toughness — as an undersized, overmatched center.
and some nice dunks
in post-chalupa time blowouts.
and the monkey in the middle
of the pregame huddle
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
DeJuan Blair, OTOH
is a height-challenged PF who can bang the tall-skinny 4-5s around and grab rebounds that drop below 8 feet from floor level
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
When Blair learns to play
you’re gonna be glad we got Pendy.
maybe if DB's legs fall off at the knee joints
but by the time that happens, Jeff could be a footnote in Blazer lore
“Who was that guy we drafted back in ’09 when Blair was still on the board? ”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Pendergrass" >Teddy Pendergrass?"
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
everyone except mittsabishy wanted him
and we got Teddy Pendergrass, instead
and now they’re raving about Craig freaking Brackins? (at least he has the same initials as Charles Barkley, so maybe he’ll be sum’thin?)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I think that was the consensus
I couldn’t believe it when he dropped all the way to our pick (24?) last year. I started jumping up and down screaming with joy. Then we didn’t take him.
Then he still hadn’t been picked at 31. Repeat of all above events.
By 33, I was just confused. Then the freaking Spurs took him, and it validated all of our outrage.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
Then the freaking Spurs took him, and it validated all of our outrage.
Exactly, and some of us aren’t quite willing to let it go. Especially when it sounds like the scouts want to draft yet another PF this year
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That trade cost more than KP makes
in a season. And it happens every year.
Rumor has it that KP has a gambling problem
and this is why Paul Allen is looking for his replacement. (I am kidding of course unless it is the truth then I am just breaking the story first).
yeah, he was with GO in Vegas
but you couldn’t see him in the picture because he was GAMBLING!
huh? Huh?
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 21, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of vegas
I’m going end of july…anyone got any sure win bets?
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 21, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet if you keep your money in the bank.... you will not loose!
Best advice I got.
great advice
Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3
by Eat Politicians on Jun 21, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, gambles with players, trade picks, & PA's cash,
Then looks forward to summer league in Vegas……Yeah its all coming together now.
I wonder how much cash it would take for GSW
to give us Stephen Curry?
I know. Joking more than anything...
My mind went into fantasy mode.
KP's a good salesman right?
Ice Cubes to Ekimos – Fernandez > Curry
Done Deal!………..I hope I am not still stuck in fantasy mode.
two milking machines
farmer with one cow
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
so do the Clippers
and one of them tried to warn us about Andre Miller, last July
turns out it was a false alarm
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Quick was just on the radio
saying that the other team pulled back on the potential blockbuster deal KP was working on. Sounds like Quick is privy to the details, but obviously cannot share. He did hint that in addition to being a big-time move for a big-time player, that everyone should definitely think Przybilla and Miller’s expiring contracts are in play.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Thanks for the update.
I’m on vacation in Sun River and will be until after the draft. I feel like I’m on an island and my only chance at survival is BlazersEdge.
He did hint that in addition to being a big-time move for a big-time player, that everyone should definitely think Przybilla and Miller’s expiring contracts are in play
That’s nice. Now that Quick thinks this is so, we can rule them out.
I’ll take KP’s word re: Przy’s status over Jason’s, every day of the week and twice on Sundays
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I listened to that KP interview too
I think you are reading far too much into his statement re: Przybilla. But we can differ on that.
It’s clear that unless Quick is just completely making stuff up, his source is very likely KP himself. Given that Joel’s contract could/would be needed in most big trades, it’s very easy to see how plausible it would be for KP to include Joel in a trade. Of course on a radio interview he’s going to say he isn’t looking to trade him. Saying anything else is just bad business in so many different ways. But saying “we aren’t looking to trade Joel” is NOT the same thing as saying “Joel will not be traded”.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
and Bedgers are so hoping that there's going to be a big trade
that they’re reading into KP’s comments the other way around to deny that Kevin’s saying that he’s not interested in trading Joel at this time
I understand that everyone wants a blockbuster, and the sooner the better. But KP isn’t going to flip this week Przy to “save” his job. I feel very confident saying this, and not just because of the interview from last Friday. It’s based on KP’s position re: Joel since 2005
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
here's the transcript, I just listened again and transcribed it myself.
JC: Will you guys take a look at what you could turn that (Joel’s expiring contract) into:
KP: We’ll look at every option. What I would say is that Joel is doing terrific. (describes Joel’s work ethic and progress). I don’t look at Joel as a piece to trade. I’ve always felt like he was a player that could play on a championship team, and I still do.
That is hardly an ironclad declaration that he won’t trade Joel – nor even an assertion that he isn’t looking to try to do so. In fact, he even starts by saying “We’ll look at every option.”
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
if you listen to the quote from the podcast
the “we’ll look at every option” is an automatic (canned) response and KP immediately raises his voice and says but I will tell you this…
You can wish that it’s otherwise, but I’m not expecting JP to be dealt while KP is still the GM
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I don't wish one way or the other
I listened to that segment several times. I took a few minutes to transcribe it. I can’t find any evidence in what he said or how he said it to even suggest he definately won’t trade Joel – or even that he isn’t looking to.
Wishing that he had said those things when he in fact did not, doesn’t make it so.
Joel may or may not be traded before his contract expires in 374 days. I don’t know. Neither do you. But there is nothing in what KP said last week on the radio that lends extra weight to the idea that he won’t.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Everything that people in KP's position (GM) say is meaningless doublespeak.
They simply do not give useful information to the public. It’s pointless to try to interpret them.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
exactly my point
positing that the snippet I posted from his interview is akin to KP dismissing any thought of trading Joel is preposterous.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I can’t find any evidence in what he said or how he said it to even suggest he definately won’t trade Joel – or even that he isn’t looking to.
“I don’t look at Joel as a piece to trade”
Never overlook the obvious
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
all he's saying there...
(especially given the context of the question), is that he doesn’t see Joel as a contract to trade, but that he has actual value, you know, on the court. That doesn’t mean he won’t trade him, or even actively try to trade him, just that he doesn’t see him as ONLY a piece to trade.
Never read too much into a single sentence in a radio interview days before the biggest trading day of the year.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
you're grasping at straws
KP has said the same thing about Joel’s value to the franchise going on 5 years now, and creative reading and rewriting from Bedgers won’t change the equation one iota
Only a new GM will alter the relationship between Przy and the Blazer’s front office
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I'm the one grasping at straws?
You are turning a single sentence in a radio interview into a lock-down guarantee that KP wouldn’t even THINK of trading Batum. Okay…..
In any case, Joel is a prime candidate to be traded between now and February. Any potential blockbuster trade for an established star is going to require a big contract or two. Joel is very likely going to come up in those types of deals – especially if his contract (later, not now) is partially insured. If KP nixes a potential trade for a star because he doesn’t want to include Joel, than KP deserves to be fired.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
What's Batum got to do with it?
Like I’ve been trying to tell you (and others) what KP said Friday is consistent with his stance re: Joel for at least 5 years. Nothing has changed in this regard that’s been intimated from the Blazer’s front office. What we are hearing is an insatiable desire by Bedgers (and talk show callers) to include “JPEC” in any and all trade machine proposals, despite zero indication from the Blazers that they have any interest in doing so
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
sorry, meant Joel. must have batum on the brain
my point stands.
I don’t think there is any “insatiable desire” to trade Joel here – I certainly don’t have one. What I think is obvious is that he is a valuable trade commodity, an expiring contract, and made somewhat superfluous by signing Camby – in other words, he is likely our best trading card. Anyone who want to make a big deal sees the obvious – Joel is a likely candidate to be traded.
of course the Blazers aren’t going to indicate they want to trade Joel. doesn’t mean they aren’t looking at the possibilty and exploring potential deals. that’s all I’m saying.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
of course he's going to immediately contradict his initial response
he’s not stupid enough to want to talk down Joel’s trade value by tipping his hand. In fact, one could surmise that by proceeding to talk him up at length he’s trying to increase his value.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Ouch, my guess is that the Philadelphia 76ers will give it a half of season to see how Evan Turner and ...
Andre Iguodala mesh together. If there are problems in paradise, though, the Portland Trail Blazers need to jump on that immediately.
The Philadelphia 76ers wouldn't trade Evan Turner.
It’d be all about acquiring Andre Iguodala, who’s the most underrated wing player in the NBA.
whoops. in response to douglast's post about the blockbuster deal.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Not
We need, I need a bona fide superstar at the SF or PG
don't think you're getting a superstar PG
unless you get it through the draft, and I don’t think that’s in the cards this year. SF though is another story.
unless we consider Tony Parker a superstar.
He might be available.
MIller+Webster+Rudy+22+34 for TP
and every Euro that KP’s stashed plus the spare change in PA’s sofa cushions
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he's fine but take him or leave him
but a great SF is pretty rare.
Great small forwards are also only marginally better than
decent small forwards, in terms of their importance to a championship team. Unless they’re a point forward, like Bird, Pippen, and arguably Magic.
wow
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulhornets062110
Here’s his latest: World Wide Wes has been pitching teams with salary-cap space that trading for New Orleans Hornets star Chris Paul(notes) will dramatically increase their chances of signing LeBron James(notes), multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
wonder if this is the deal Quick was hinting at:
Also, the Portland Trail Blazers – who’ve long targeted Paul – are expected make a bid for Paul prior to the draft, a source said.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
price would have to be Batum and LMA to start I would think
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
or maybe not LMA, but Batum, rudy, bayless, miller, and picks?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
dunno, just thinking out loud, so don't nit pick
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Oden, LMA
but then how to get the King. Just doesn’t fit. I’d be happy with Paul, Roy and/or LMA/Oden.
I can keep dreaming, but none of this is happening.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Then they will change the name of the team to the
Bad Leg Blazers!
Who says they need to get the King?
I think KP, and perhaps PA, would be happy with Paul and whoever is left over out of our starting 5.
Which bad NO contracts could we take on?
Seems like we’d have to take one of their big deals off their hands too. I looked through the options a week ago when the Quick rumor first came out. I couldn’t come up with any deals that made a ton of sense.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
the problem if we are talking CP3 plus another contract
is that we are now talking like $25 million plus in salary. we have to put a lot of guys in from our side to get that high. Joel and MIller to start gets us to about $14. Webster makes it $19. and we still haven’t given them anyone they are jubilant about, so now add in Batum for sure, and likely Rudy or Bayless too (both?), maybe a dante or Pendy, and picks. Talk about gutting the roster.
I’d still do it, but wow…
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Yea, that was the conclusion I came to as well.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
ran the number
Joel, Miller, Webs, Batum, and Rudy would work cap-wise in a deal for Paul and Peja OR Paul and Okafor.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Wait a minute
Holy…
“trading for New Orleans Hornets star Chris Paul(notes) will dramatically increase their chances of signing LeBron James(notes), multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports.”
If that’s what PA had in mind, that probably means he wouldn’t hesitate to throw Roy in the mix to get Paul then…
pretty big gamble
Roy + Przy + a young prospect (Rudy, Batum, Bayless) for Paul
all in the hopes that you can then turn Miller and whatever else have left into a S/T for LeBron? I dunno, that’s just a bridge too far I think
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I bet that was it...
When you looked at who would be a real star acquisition that might be available to us, Paul was one of the only serious options. Obviously, Parker makes sense on a lot of levels, but I’m not sure the Spurs would want to help the Blazers over the hump.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
That said, I'm curious
as to what role he played in getting Thibodeau to sign in Chicago. I know there was the AtH parody of NOLA’s coaching search, in which Tibs was persuaded to ditch the Hornets after being influenced by Wes’ friends “LeBron James, and Benjamin Franklin,” but I wonder of there’s any truth to that. You’d think they’d want to distance themselves from that guy as much as they possibly could if he really did pull any shenanagins there.
Mike Miller says he wants to play for a "winner"
Hey Mike, over here! No, not there, here! Portland!
Saw that too. But I'm not as high on him as some are.
But I can see why.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Didn't he already?
Pretty sure his hair is obnoxiously short now.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I'll take him for the MLE
if he wants to head out here to the left coast
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If Ray Allen's willing to play backup, sign him NOW
but I don’t know if he would be willing after setting records in the Finals.
he only set one record
he go the “made threes in a game.”
he barely missed out on the other record “worst shooting night ever”
dinasour type of guys choir boys
He'll most likely stay in Boston
unless he asks for too much. But I don’t see that happening. And it would take a lot more than the MLE to sign him. Might have to pull of a S&T using either Pryz or Miller as filler to go with one of our young pieces. I don’t think the Blazers will give up, say, Bayless (if Rudy gets traded for a pick) to get Allen.
L*kers got Ron Ron for just the MLE
right after Artest averaged 17.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.3 apg in the 08-09 season. and artest was much younger than Ray Allen
so you can get a quality player with the MLE
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Ray Allen is going to be 35 when the season starts
how much do you think he should make?!?!?
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
It's not about what he should make
it’s about what other teams will offer him. Hedo is in his 30’s and got $50 million. Kidd’s even older, and gets 8.5 next season, and Miller makes $7-7.5 a year. I think Ray will go for something in that Kidd/Miller range.
Yeah, the Boston Celtics will likely re-sign Ray Allen to a deal similar to what ...
the Dallas Mavericks re-signed Jason Kidd last year.
RA should get a better offer than the MLE
but if he doesn’t…then swoop in
but I’m not holding my breath for RA and passing on Mike Miller in the meantime
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
What a complete disaster it would be to lose out on the greatness of Mike Miller.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
It's a game of musical chairs
when the music stops, you could get left with bupkiss
I suspect Ray Allen will turn his nose up at the MLE, then what do you do? Wait until August for him to change his mind?
I suspect the Blazers still remember the Hedo lesson from last July. This year they have less money to offer and there are more/bigger fish in the pond, I suggest they don’t leave the bait out there too long in one area
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Ironically
KP was drafted 20 years ago by Golden State with the 34th pick.
The more you know.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
i ronically
i was supposed to get married on a plane but then i got free ride of good advice and the plane crashed in the rain
dinasour type of guys choir boys
As a Golden State fan, let me congratulate you guys.
You will use that pick to draft someone who will go on to be a star in the league and have a long career and kick our butts repeatedly.
It’s science. Every time we trade a pick or player away, it comes back to bite us on the arse.
Do the Blazers need any new fans?
relax
the guy who is running the show (albeit, with our owner’s deep pockets at his side) is about to be unjustly fired.
maybe you can drop mullin and hire this guy.
now back in sunny portland, oregon
Once Larry Ellison buys us, maybe he'll give Kev Pritchard a call.
Although I like you guys anyway. Patty Mills and I go back to my time in high school – we played against each other at state level. (We won, but he destroyed me when I started against him).
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