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Blazersedge Mailbag: June 18th, 2010

WOOOT!  Give me a high five.  With this edition of the mailbag I am officially caught up after taking a mailbag hiatus for the Blazers' playoff run.  I'm not sure I got to every single question but most of them have gotten air time now.  As always, you can replenish the list at blazersub@yahoo.com.

Chad Ford speculated the Blazers are trying to move ahead of San Antonio, who sit at #20. Draftexpress' Twitter a few weeks ago speculated that ELLIOT WILLIAMS has a promise from San Antonio. Would this 6'4" guard make sense for the Blazers?

I like a few things about him.  He's quick, he can score in the halfcourt, he's got reasonable range, and he's got a Duke pedigree.  I'm worried that he's another guy who can score at the rim or outside when open but not in between.  I also have a congenital worry about shooting guards under 6'5".  How many of them pan out?  One undersized guy needing back-up shooting guard minutes on the team is enough for me.

My question is regarding the possibility of the Blazers, or any other small market team, ever becoming a true power player in the NBA (I would define that as a 5-7 year period in serious contention for a title).  I used to think that the overwhelming success of the larger cities was a result of the officiating, but I've lately been leaning more towards the fact that the big players gravitate, or somehow end up, in those cities.  Is there any way that a small market team can break through the barriers of free agency, officiating, and lopsided trades (see Gasol)?  The NBA seems to do a great job at getting the bigger markets and matchups that it wants in the finals, while somehow keeping the small markets (and the rest of the league) happy, buying tickets, and watching TV.  40% of the teams in the NBA haven't made the finals even once in the last 31 years....80% haven't won a championship (incidentally these are way higher percentages than in baseball and football)   Are we (and all of the other small markets) simply playing the role of the Washington Generals?  What keeps you motivated to put your time, energy and money into this team?  Is the hope that we can be the next San Antonio the motivation?  I see no other example that it is probable or even possible given the current structure of the league.    

The league has an interesting image problem, if nothing else.  In my darker moments I have wondered exactly this.  However San Antonio shows that it is possible.  You have to be smart, prudent, and maybe a little lucky but it can be done.  As long as it can be done, basic athletic code says you don't give up on it.  If you let being in a small market get in your way--if you resign yourself to just going for the flashy moves, selling tickets with offense, whining about bad calls (which Phil Jackson does like a champ, by the way), and bowing to history--then you will not succeed.  Think of it like this:  if everything you say is true then it's the responsibility of teams like the Blazers to build amazing squads and make the league smack them down in order to make the bias obvious and thus change it.

As far as big players ending up in those cities, the cap rules are still in effect and do help to moderate the migration.  This year aside, how many of those players actually end up on the open market?  Some of those players do end up in big cities winning championships but you also have to consider guys like Duncan in San Antonio and Garnett who, though eventually getting a ring in Boston, spent plenty of years trying to win in Minnesota first without success because they couldn't build a team around him.   If Brandon Roy left the Blazers after 10 fruitless years and won a title in Chicago would that really count as big-city bias?

I believe you have to work hard as a small market team, not only because of economic reality but because it's harder for any team coming up than it is for teams who are established.  But until it's proven impossible, I'll keep believing.

It can't be denied that LeBron James is a great player.  He is a combination of J.R. Rider & Zack Randolph; a self centered, egotistical, spoiled brat that takes all the credit and none of the blame.  His total lack of character at the end of this season was embarrassing to honest Americans everywhere. The Trailblazers have waaaay too much class to put up with another poison pill like that.  Please stop the madness.  

This isn't really a question but I'm throwing it in because I've heard this a couple of times.   The arguments against LeBron appear to be personal and theoretical.  What he does on the court is inarguably great.  The comparisons to Rider and Randolph are silly.  Way back when Cleveland assembled the players around LeBron I posited that his supporting cast would prove a major disappointment and the team would have a hard time winning.  They had a lot easier time winning than I thought.  I don't think that's because Mo Williams and Anthony Parker turned out amazing.  It's because LeBron makes everybody on the team look better in addition to looking all-world himself.

If the Blazers got LeBron James all of Portland should and would celebrate.  As I said in a Fanpost on the subject a couple weeks ago, had the Blazers drafted James everyone would be doing 24-hour prayer vigils, parades, and voodoo sacrifices to ensure we could keep him.  Not every moment in front of a camera or microphone is going to look perfect but those blips don't obscure or reduce a clear Hall-of-Fame career.

What do you think of the Blazers trading for Andre Iguodala?

Well, Philly just sent Samuel Delambert to Sacramento for Spencer Hawes and Andres Nocioni.  Maybe that signals that they are looking to rebuild and get younger.  Also conniving minds will say that opens up room for Joel Przybilla, Martell Webster, and maybe a cheap young guard to go their way.  I like a whole lot of things about Iguodala.  He's not a bad defender, he's tough, has decent size (though he's a little short for small forward), he gets to the rim, he draws fouls and shoots free throws well, he can rebound, he can pass...he's a well-rounded player.  He's also only 26 and has been durable throughout his career.  And he knows how to play with Andre Miller.  On the other hand  he's not good from the three-point arc.  There are positional conflicts either at small forward or shooting guard.  Though very good he's not what you'd call a star player.  In fact his production has regressed over the last couple of years.  He also makes a crap-ton of money (at least for someone the Blazers would consider bringing in) so the Blazers would have to be really, brutally sure that he filled a clear spot and would produce for them to the point of being the missing link to a deep title run.  I'm not sure he's as much that as the world's best insurance policy against Roy or Batum getting hurt again.

In short, I love the guy and I'd probably be excited about the potential of him coming in but I'm not sure if it clears up confusion or creates more.  I wonder how people would compare his acquisition to that of, say, Danny Granger?  (Not that Granger is available.)  It's a good question for the comment section.

What moves do you personally hope to see this offseason?  Is there a player you're in love with in the draft, or a specific trade that you're crossing your fingers for?  If you took over for KP this summer what's the Dave Vision for the Blazersgoing into the 2010 season?

I'm 100% sure that my #1 priority is a healthy Greg Oden.  After that I'd use whatever expendable assets needed, including the draft pick, exploring point guard options.  I'd look at all the flavors:  Devin Harris, Beno Udrih, Kirk Hinrich, and their ilk.  If I could swing a cheap enough deal I'd pull the trigger to try and get more stability in the reserve backcourt at least and perhaps a longer-term starter.  It's impossible to say which I'd actually like without knowing who's available.  (I mean, if it's just what I'd like I'd take Chris Paul or Deron Williams, thank you.)  If the draft pick weren't involved in that trade (or I couldn't make a trade) I'd try to trade out of the first round and go for a big project point guard, a chunky rebounding power forward, or both with second round picks.  Obviously looking to move Pryzbilla is a priority as well.  As much as Paul Allen might like the extra pocket change from his expiring contract I'm going to ask to fill up that slot again if we can get a valuable asset.  Maybe that's a point guard but at this point I'd take anything helpful for Joel's salary slot.

Do you think the Blazers should have Juwan Howard back?

Not unless he's an assistant coach.  If we need him that badly again we're in the kind of trouble that he can't get us out of.  If we don't there's no reason to have him taking the spot of a younger guy.  We have veteran presence on this team now so the need for a Howard-type has diminished.  I wouldn't scream if he came back as I love what he did for the team last season but I don't think it's necessary.

Do you really think Jerryd Bayless can become a good defender?

He has the body to do it.  He has the work ethic.  We'll have to see if he understands the needs and has the drive to do it.  I can't think of a quicker or better way for him to earn more playing time.  It would be interesting to see him brutalize opposing guards with his strength and body mass.

Who's the best Blazer nobody remembers anymore?

Richard Anderson.  Chunky Caucasian outside shooting FTW!  Or maybe it's Steve Johnson.  Former-Beaver injured All-Star center hopes FTW!  I don't know.  Your thoughts?

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) 

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I remember Richard Anderson

‘cause I’m an old fart, I guess.

Adrian Branch, anyone?

Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.

by EngineerScotty on Jun 18, 2010 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Richard Anderson always makes me laugh.

I was at UCSB and taking volleyball for P.E. and caught myself wondering who that big a-hole was that was dominating the games and spiking balls off my head. I found out later that guy was Richard Anderson.

by LaughingJon on Jun 18, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that he was doing anything wrong.

That’s just how you feel being on the other side of the net.

by LaughingJon on Jun 18, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

i remember him too

in fact, as a kid, i’d always cheer when he got the ball for an open 3. good times.

by stephentheh on Jun 18, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave, I found a small mistake in your post.
I like a whole lot of things about Iguodala. He’s not a bad defender…

It should have read:

I like a whole lot of things about Iguodala. He’s not a bad defender probably the best on ball defender in the league.

There’s a really great article by Kevin Pelton that pretty much sums up how amazing Iggy is on defense. The 76’ers allow 7.4 points fewer when he’s on the court per 100 possessions. He also topped the list among wing players in defensive adjusted +/- in 2008 and has actually been improving since then. The guy is insanely talented on that end of the court and is clearly better than Batum or Webster at this point, at least on defense.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 12:48 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

I don't think Roy is THAT bad on defense.

His hamstring really slowed him down on defense this year and he clearly wasn’t 100% on that end, but I do think he showed in the past that he’s pretty adequate. He doesn’t really need to be hid on defense like some other shooting guards I know.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

When Roy tries, he plays incredible D

08-09 showed it quite a few times. I didn’t see one instance in 09-10 though

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by hobobob on Jun 18, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Brandon Roy puts out effort, he plays average defense.

Even at the University of Washington, it was Bobby Jones who compensated for Roy on defense.

by AK1984 on Jun 18, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say he can play average defense over a full game-- with effort

But he has had great defensive moments in the past.

The problem with Roy’s defense all too often is a lack of focus… relying on defense as rest-time, it appears. He loses his man, doesn’t provide help, or use his strong body against his man like he does on offense.

The very good moments he has are nice, but he needs to improve his focus on the defensive end to be a good team defender.

Morty

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basically what I'm hoping for

And by the few times, I meant individual plays. I can’t think of any great D games he’s played. Still, I’ll never forget that block on Carmello to end the game with a W.

THAT was incredible D. But, I’ll say AK’s right that most of the time his D with effort is average. But, like you just said, it’s a matter of focus. Ever since LBJ burned him 1-1, he hasn’t done it.

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by hobobob on Jun 18, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

w0rd

Exactly what I was gonna say… “not a bad defender” is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge understatement. Iggy is one of the best man defenders in the entire NBA. Physical, athletic as anyone; he is awesome.

I looooooooooooooooooooooove Batum but Iggy is the closest thing to Pippen that there is today. Slasher, playmaker, scorer, amazing defender— it would be a steal just slightly below the Lakers getting Pau, and only lower because Pau is one of the few skilled bigs in the NBA right now.

If Iggy “doesn’t fit” because he’s only a 30% three point shooter, it’s only because we’re being unimaginative with our offense.

Iggy has shown that he isn’t good enough to be the best player on a good team, but he would be an INCREDIBLE co-star. He is similar-but-below Roy on offense in every way, but such an exceptional defender. He is paid a pantsload, so I can see why Philly might move him since he definitely isn’t a A-1 superstar type player. He’s a co-star who will shine beautifully if he gets to play next to true stars.

Mortimer

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by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would rather have Iggy much more than Granger

Granger can shoot, but doesn’t pass or handle the ball like Iggy can, and Granger has become much much much less interested in defense since becoming the main dude for the Pacers. Iggy is the star of his team and still owns suckas on that end of the floor. Doing that for a crappy team, when the star of said crappy team and prolly being able to more than get away with slacking on that end (like Granger does now), means a lot.

Morty Pie

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, great. Another sign of the apocalypse.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

Banning "chat speak" is like banning apostrophes. There would be no "you're" if some punk kid in the 1700s hadn't been a rebel.

by haildablazer on Jun 18, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

and we only really needed one

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by OhOhOden on Jun 18, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's been coming for a while

Me and AK agree on almost everything, it seems.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

The only thing is that I think if you did pull off a trade for Iggy you would pretty much have to get a new PG. That’s just not enough floor spacing with Iggy and Miller, which has already been proven by the 76’ers a couple times.

That team got the Pistons and the Magic on the ropes in the playoffs only to have the defense adjust and shut down the middle. It sucks to win the first game only to have the other team remember you can’t shoot. I just don’t think it’s enough, especially in Nate’s system.

The good new is that you could probably afford to have a weaker defender at the PG position and just bring in a good shooter like Calderon or Blake (gasp).

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's go big or go home NVE!

CALDERON. Too expensive but a Rich Man’s Blake on offense. Great passer, shooter; heady player. With his recent injuries he couldn’t guard Eazy Yi’s chair, but it becomes less of a problem with Iggy and Batum on the same team (though not usually in the same lineup).

And perhaps Caldy’s injuries were a one year thing.

OR, worst case, he is who he is right now— still a Rich Man’s Blake who is a great passer and has an extremely low usage rate for such an assist heavy PG.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

but looking at realistic options, our next PG, if not Bayless (or perhaps Tony Parker, but I dunno), WILL be a shooter. The best that might be available are Mo Williams and Calderon. Personally, I’d say forget about both of them and make a small trade for Delonte West, but that will never happen.

by HailOden! on Jun 19, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

He’s a little better on defense than he was last season. He had a hamstring issue, just like Roy, but I agree that he’s pretty bad.

Such a great shooter though. I can’t think of anyone better besides Nash. Consistently shooting over 50%,40%, 90%, is pretty ridiculous. I think he was like a 98% ft shooter one season. That alone helps so much in late game situations.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 19, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I would love to have Iguodala on the Blazers. If available for a package that doesn’t even cost us a starter, it would be a steal to get another great co-star. Naturally he is a shooting guard, but on the SF position his numbers are still above league average (e.g. from 82games). If the Blazers can get by with a three-guard lineup that sends players like Roy or Rudy to the 3 position, so can a 3-guard lineup with Iguodala there. And he would be a GREAT insurance to any injury problems/too many minutes for Roy. He usually made around 100 threes per year at rates around 30%, which is just enough to not let teams sag off him completely to clog the lane. And try clogging the lane against a Roy-Iggy 1-2-punch. Plus as you said on defense he could either be used to shore up a lineup with Roy by letting him and not Roy cover the best opposing wing scorer, and a lineup that would also include Nico (and a shot blocking center with Greg or Camby behind them to help if someone penetrates over the weak side) would feature two very very good and versatile on ball defenders.

If there is a trigger, pull it!

(I do like Granger quite a bit too though. Both are in my top 5 of players I would have always loved to miraculously wind up on the Blazers.)

by Norsktroll on Jun 18, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this would be an intriguing lineup

Roy
Iguodala
Batum
Aldridge
Oden

with Rudy backing up Roy, Iguodala, and possibly Batum, and Camby backing up Aldridge and Oden.

I think that starting five would provide a solid combination of offense and defense.

I’m not sure how desperate Philly is to make trades, but I wonder if they would go for something like Pryzbilla (or Miller…although I doubt they’d want him back), Webster, and Bayless?

by adaoh on Jun 18, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the dream lineup

But we’d be pressured endlessly and both Iggy and Roy prolly don’t really wanna be the PG and dribble the ball all day, and even though Roy and Iggy are quick for their position they ain’t PG quick with the ball in their hands. It’d get exploited.

I’d LOVE for that lineup to work, since I love Batum and the defensive possibilities of that lineup are dreamy. But I don’t think it’s feasible, sadly.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it actually would be feasible

You beat the pressure by passing and breaking (strengths of players like Batum, Iguodala, Aldridge).

Then in the half court, neither Roy nor Iguodala have to play the role of the point guard all the time. They can rotate that duty, and eventually Batum might be able to share a little of that duty as well. Plus, with no true point guard, I think we’d HAVE to go to an offense with more movement rather than having the point pound the leather (or whatever its made of) off the ball for 10-20 seconds each possession….Personally I think it could work.

by adaoh on Jun 18, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not

And I said he wasn’t.

But he is the closest thing to Pippen’s combination of All-NBA defense, playmaking, and scoring.

Nobody is as good as Pippen was right now, except for Lebron.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Iggy "doesn’t fit" because he’s only a 30% three point shooter, it’s only because we’re being unimaginative with our offense.

I could say the same thing about Andre Miller. Or…Tony Parker

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

But Iggy makes it more worth it because he is a tremendous defender.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

at the expense of Nic Batum's career?

Like Dave said, if you’re going hard after Iggy you had better be verrry sure he’s the missing piece, because chances are you won’t get a do-over if he’s not

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's 26, and we can only hope that Batum becomes close to as good as Iggy is

There is plenty of room for Batum and Iggy though. Especially if we think Batum will be a point forward and can handle the ball more; he’d be a better SG than Martell is, for example, and Iggy will also be playing backup SG to Roy.

I love Batum— Oden, Batum, and Roy are my 3 favorite players. But Iggy is simply better, and fully realized.

Morty

#52

by Mortimer on Jun 18, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, NIcolas Batum becomes a role player extraordinaire in the mold of a Tayshaun ...

Prince in that instance. It’s worth it, too, because Andre Iguodala is arguably the best on-ball wing defender in the NBA; in addition, the combination of those two plus Brandon Roy would equal the best three-man wing rotation in the league.

by AK1984 on Jun 18, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can make the deal without Przybilla

KP was interviewed on 95.5 this afternoon and said he doesn’t see Przy as trade bait, but as a member of Portland’s championship team

he also said Joel is riding his bike 15-20 miles a day

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Joel was trade bait KP would say he wasn't trade bait.

That’s exactly the kind of stuff you would say about a guy who’s being shopped.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's correct, with Joel Przybilla, Jerryd Bayless, and Rudy Fernandez being ...

the package probably considered for a deal wherein Andre Iguodala heads to the Portland Trail Blazers. I’d love to move Martell Webster, too, but the 76ers have no need for him now after absorbing Andres Nocioni’s deal — as well as also having Jason Kapono still around as a third-string small forward — therefore, I’d prefer to move him to the Los Angeles Clippers in a lopsided trade sometime after the July moratorium for nothing more than a 2011 second-round draft pick (via the Detroit Pistons).

by AK1984 on Jun 18, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

those are interesting stats but he's not considered "elite" yet

while he definitely has a great build for it and is a good defender, he’s not top-shelf just yet. While he’s talented, what I’ve heard/read is that he’s somewhat inconsistent. He makes great plays, and then on others will look disinterested or just have a lapse in focus.

While it’s not a defining end-all, he wasn’t named to the NBA All-Defense 1st or 2nd team this year – which probably shows he still has a little way to go – so I think Dave was pretty accurate with his description.

The other thing you have to consider – Iggy makes a$12M + a year – while Batum is making about $1.5M, I don’t think that Iggy is enough of a better a defender to justify that kind of spending increase (while also taking into account Batum is still improving, and Iggy is probably at or near his ceiling)

by rip_city_swagger on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's condered elite by a lot of people, just not the voters.

The stats lineup with what I’ve seen with my eyeballs.

Also, the NBA All-defense team is meaningless. David Lee got a vote for crying out loud.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree he's a good defender...

but you just called him the best on-ball defender in the league.

I’m not ready to go there just yet. And honestly, with as poor of a shooter as he is, he would have to be THE BEST to justify paying him more than $12M/year

by rip_city_swagger on Jun 18, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think he's probably the best on ball defender in the NBA (at his position) going off stats and my eyes.

Guys like Bowen, Artest, Prince, and Battier have either retired or lost a step. Earlier this season a local Cavs beat writer did an article about him.

By the numbers, Iguodala may have been the best perimeter defender in basketball last season. What’s more, the numbers seem to make sense. Iguodala is a freak athlete with a 6-11 wingspan, and has been regarded as a nightmare defender ever since he came into the league. He’s also active on the weak side, as his block and steal numbers demonstrate.-Krolik

And then there’s Hollinger..

…he’s an All-Defense caliber player who can guard wings of just about any size and shape, and this fact has mostly slipped under the radar… Moreover, his ability to defend without fouling was phenomenal — only four shooting guards beat his rate of 1.86 personals per 40 minutes. -Hollinger

Kevin Pelton…

According to 82games.com, opposing small forwards averaged 16.5 points per 48 minutes and a .492 effective field-goal percentage against the 76ers when Igudoala was playing the position this season, as compared to 20.2 points per 48 minutes and a .495 eFG for all small forwards in the NBA this season. Basketball Prospectus’ defensive statistics also show Iguodala holding opponents 4.7 percent below their normal production—virtually identical to Battier’s performance.-Pelton

You could make a good argument for a couple other players, but that’s really just splitting hairs. If Iggy isn’t the best wing defender then he’s right up there with the best.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Iggy doesn't need to be elite

on the same team as Roy and Aldridge. Finding floor space when you include Oden might be problematic.

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by OhOhOden on Jun 18, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chiming in on the Iguodala discussion ...

I said the same thing when I read “not a bad defender”. As someone who watches the dude night-in and night-out I can tell you that he’s an awesome defender, and probably one of the most versatile. I won’t go the “best on-ball defender in the league” route — not because I think it’s false — but because I don’t feel informed enough (and unbiased enough) to make that statement.

I believe Iguodala’s a top 30 player, and his biggest knock (jumper) would become less of a problem if he wasn’t the number one option on offense. Last year he shot 39.4% in catch-and-shoot situations, which is in the 74th percentile. Put him with Miller, Roy, Aldridge and Oden and you have yourself one heck of a team.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 19, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I agree.

There seems to be a lot of debate as to how willing the Sixers would actually be to move Iggy. I know he basically plays the same position as Turner, but I can’t imagine they’ll get fair value.

I would be interested to know what it would actually take to land him in a trade. Batum is awesome and almost untouchable, but even if the Blazers agreed to move him the Sixers would still have the same problem of trying to pair him with Evan Turner.

In your opinion, what would it take?

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re right about getting fair value. They’d probably get 60 cents on the dollar, at best.

Unfortunately, I don’t think it’d take too much for the Blazers to pry Iguodala away from the Sixers. Maybe one young player, a pick, and a contract expiring in the next year or two?

by Jordan Sams on Jun 20, 2010 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Sixers a lot (they were my "other" team for two of the past three seasons) so I'm torn if I want him to leave or not.

I would love it if the Blazers actually got Iggy, but it would suck if he went to another team. I don’t think he’s an ideal first option, but as a second or third option he’s almost perfect. I am going to be very angry if he gets traded to a Western team other than us.

Andre Miller’s contract is expiring in the next year or two…

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 20, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Iguodala, but I’d also like to see him appreciated around the league and contend for a title. He’ll probably never do that with the Sixers while he’s in his prime, so I wouldn’t be upset if we traded him. The problem — as we discussed before — is getting equal value. It simply won’t happen, which means it’s pretty much a lose-lose.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 20, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Texas a small market?

Dave, Dave, Dave.

The state with the fourth most electoral votes is Texas, therefore the state is the fourth most populous. The three Texas teams are certainly not small market teams.

by 7677maniac on Jun 18, 2010 1:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Out of the 3 teams San Antonio is much more like Portland. Everyone is a Maverick fan

Or Rocket bandwagoner. Hence why why plucked KP from San Antonio and help build us like what they were, against all odds, able to do ( mostly due to Duncan ).

by TheOdenator52 on Jun 18, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, technically, you could say it's mostly due to The Admiral's injury

that led to the #1 pick of Timmay.

The Two Towers might have only been around briefly, but it put the fear of god into the league while it was here.

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by haildablazer on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Johnson was amazing!

Guy was a 20-10 machine as I recall. Actually an even better rebounder, I think. Not going to Google it now. Anyway, unstopable around the rim. Richard Anderson doesn’t ring a bell for me — better ask AK :p

Looks like people are givin’ you these puffball questions. Here’s a few tougher ones, with some of my own thoughts about them from Scientific American’s 125th anniversary ish:

  • What Is the universe made of? (Presently doing a remodel — where can I get some of that, and how much is it going to cost?)
  • Why do humans have so few genes? (I know this is true in at least a couple of cases.)
  • Can the laws of physics be unified? (And if so, do we stand a chance against them?)
  • What determines species diversity? (Besides Commie Pinko Nazi Liberals, that is. j/k)
  • Do deeper principles underlie quantum uncertainty and nonlocality? (Can that possibly explain the officiating of Laker games?)

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by CatMan2 on Jun 18, 2010 1:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I, too, hadn't heard of Richard Anderson until tonight.

After doing a nifty Internet search, though, Richard Anderson : Portland :: Russ Schoene : Seattle.

by AK1984 on Jun 18, 2010 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Small market teams HAVE to draft well

..or hope they can swing a deal.

How many times do small market teams come up in the rumors for all of these top gun FAs? The Knicks can trade away all their draft picks (I think they have one again in 2021). We can’t afford to do that. Imagine if we had Morrison and Thomas rather than Roy and Aldridge.

It would be a practical nightmare and it will never happen, I know, but perhaps smaller markets should have a higher salary cap than large markets. The cap is in place to keep the playing field equal (or the owners rich), but as long as there are teams in both New York and Portland the playing field won’t be level.

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by almost awesome on Jun 18, 2010 2:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I was going to make this same comment, but you made it for me...

Small market teams get stars when the draft one. They don’t usually get them through free agency or trades. Though…to be fair, almost all stars (at least through their peak years) stay with the team that drafted them. If look at the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd All NBA teams this season only Nash (Phx), Gasol (LA) and Joe Johnson (Atl) out of 15 players, are not with the teams that drafted them. Though as you can see those 3 all went to big city teams.

If KP can manage to bring in a player who will end up on that list of All NBA teams, then he will have pulled off something that is rare indeed.

by JasonT on Jun 18, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is

true, although if small market teams can win in baseball, they can win in basketball. I think that baseball is worse.

by PABroncofan on Jun 18, 2010 2:47 AM PDT reply actions  

But baseball also has more randomness

in that the weaker team can beat the stronger team more often.
Look at the best and worst records in MLB vs NBA.
MLB — best record: 0.621 worst record: 0.348
NBA — best record 0.744 worst record 0.146
So a weaker MLB playoff team stands a better chance to win the World Series than a weaker NBA team.

And baseball takes years to groom their talent in the minors. So they keep picking high
for many more years. That’s partly how Tampa Bay was able to amass so many superstars.

I know that the big market vs small market is a HUGE point. But there are built-in mitigating factors in favor of small markets.

by Stan L on Jun 18, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

baseball is worse for small market teams, but Tampa Bay still broke through

in baseball, you can never have enough pitching

in basketball, you can never have enough quality big men

like the L*kers do?

Be smart, don’t flip Przy

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Johnson was awesome!

My cousin and I made up cheers for him. We were 10 and seven.

Joe Wolf is unheralded, mostly because of how heralded he was in college and didn’t really pan out (Josh McRoberts?) I’d say my potential favorite unknown Blazer of all time is Dontonio Wingfield. He could fly… like a Ruben Patterson with even less going on upstairs.

by FlyingOutlaw on Jun 18, 2010 3:01 AM PDT reply actions  

DW has a podcast named after him

not obscure enough

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Wolf ....

(insert howling noise)

’Nuff said.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Jun 19, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Small market?

San Antonio was the 7th most populous US city in 2007, and I’m pretty sure they’re still right there. Texas, as a state, is no doubt one of the larger sports markets in the nation (not a fan, personally). It is actually not surprising they ripped off a few championships. Conforms to the league’s agenda without seeming too suspicious. The only “small market” team (out of 7 total) to be champs in the last 28 years.

by PTBob on Jun 18, 2010 6:05 AM PDT reply actions  

The Spurs are in the bottom 3rd of the NBA when it comes to market size.

This list is by US Census populations, not TV market, but you still get the idea. It’s interesting that five of the top six teams are pretty terrible.

Knicks
Nets
Lakers
Clippers
Bulls
Wizards
Celtics
Warriors
Mavericks
76’ers
Rockets
Hawks
Heat
Pistons
Suns
Timberwolves
Nuggets
Cavs
Magic
Kings
Bobcats
Blazers
Pacers
Spurs
Bucks
Jazz
Grizzlies
Thunder
Hornets

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Lakers have by far and away the largest market

It may be close to double that of New York’s after counting illegal immigrants.

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by hobobob on Jun 18, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to back that up, if you take the main five SoCal counties (which are basically within 150 miles of Staples Center)

The 2000 census population would have it near 21 million. I work in a field that deals often with demographics and can assure that illegal immigrants are Lakers fans and dodge census workers like the plague. My guess is that you’d need to add another 4 million to that number.

That’d make the Lakers by far and away the largest market in the NBA.

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by hobobob on Jun 18, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey now, I dodge census workers like the plague and I am an American.

It’s just that I have an irrational fear of Da Man.

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by xedubx on Jun 18, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to define a small market team

Okay,by definition teams w/a small media market are small-market,but :)
The Clippers play in LA,by any definition a Large market,but for decades acted like a small market team.
A small market team w/an insanely rich owner who doesn’t really care about spending money is the functional equivalent of a large market team.
And let’s be honest here,large-market teams are those the East Coast media follows,w/Lakers thrown in. Hou is the 4rth most populous city in the US and w/Yao is hugely popular in China,but it is hardly considered a large-market team.
The blueprint for a championship run of multiple yrs is pretty simple-just almost impossible to pull off. Draft a game-dominating player. Acquire another great player via draft,trade or FA. Surround w/a supporting cast that can play off of them and be effective. Get the right coach who can motivate and create a system that takes advantages of the team’s talents. And great ownership/management needs to be in place to set up the foundation.

by Tisbee on Jun 18, 2010 7:52 AM PDT reply actions  

And being big-market is no guarantee

Just look at the biggest market of all – the Knicks have two championships in their history, the last one in ‘73, and have been an awful-to-mediocre team for large chunks of their history.
And I think you’re pretty spot-on about the winning recipe. Just look at recent champions:


  • Detroit drafted Thomas, Dumars, and Rodman, and brought in Laimbeer;
  • Chicago drafted their core – MJ, Pippen (via trade), Horace Grant, Kukoc, and traded for Cartwright and later Rodman;
  • Houston drafted Olajuwon and a few other instrumental players, and brought in Clyde for the second championship.
  • San Antonio: mostly due to excellent (and lucky) draft picks (Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili)
  • Boston drafted Pierce and Rondo, and traded for Allen (which at the time appeared to be a bad trade) and Garnett (who at that point was just looking for any team that would help him win). The fact that they’re a “big market” team played almost no role in it.

The only obvious example for the “big-market” theory in recent years, is the L*kers, who got Shaq from Orlando with the glitz and big money of LA. It might have played a part in getting Gasol as well, though I doubt it.

by gidons on Jun 18, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fat Lever, Kiki

and michael thompson all dont get any love

by bunk moreland on Jun 18, 2010 7:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Actually, lots of Blazer fans of my age or older still rue that day that Fat Lever was traded to Denver

for Kiki, along with Calvin Natt and Wayne Cooper, two other fan favorites. After Walton, the bar was rather high for Blazer centers, and Mychal Thompson was good, but not great, perhaps a sin for the #1 pick overall. (The Celtics later picked Bird, although they didn’t sign him until the next year!) But he was a character and everybody seemed to like him. We have pretty much realized by now that Kiki was a big mistake, maybe the biggest in Blazer history.

However, the question has to do with unknown or obscure Blazers, and none of those you mention fit into that category.

Here’s another name: Jeff Lamp(e).

#52

by CatMan2 on Jun 18, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Biggest PTB mistakes, in order

Calling the coin flip incorrectly before the 1984 draft
Drafting Bowie instead of Jordan
Trading Moses Malone in the fall of ’76
The infamous Vandeweghe trade
Drafting LaRue in ’72

Regrets, I’ve had a few, but then again, to few to mention…

Jeff Lamp from the U of Va, played with Sampson as I recall. The Blazers were fixated on drafting non-athletic shooters until Bucky rolled around

Peter Verhouven was another one. From Fresno State, that team was know for their defense back in those days (unlike today, as Paul George could tell you…)

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

the good news is

there were a lot of boo-boos from ‘72-85 but they haven’t shot themselves in the foot much, since

unless you count Trader and the Jail Blazer era, that was one prolonged mistake

I’m counting on the 2007 draft not making it onto that short list. Don’t let me down, Greg…

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by two4larue on Jun 20, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also have a congenital worry about shooting guards under 6’5". How many of them pan out?

Joe Dumars? It helps if the 6’4 guard can swing over and play some PG, on occasion

Like…Dominique Jones?

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

if anything, the guards are smaller today

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

how so? do you have any evidence of that?

the league as a whole has got much taller since Dumars played. Jordan, as a 6’6" SG was considered tall for his position, whereas now that’s the standard/minimum

I don’t agree with you that guards are smaller now.

by rip_city_swagger on Jun 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

hand-checking rules

back in the 70s-80s everybody wanted big physical guards because of Magic Johnson and players like Dennis Johnson and Dumars (and Terry Porter) pushed smaller guards like Kevin Johnson around when they tried to penentrate

More recently, smaller/quicker PGs are the rage because you can’t touch them above the FT line extended

As I’ve been reminded in the past, wingspan is just as important as how high the top of a player’s head is measure from the floor in socks/sneakers. D. Jones is not only 220-225lbs, but he’s a 6’9 from left hand to right. He’s more than big/strong enough to defend NBA SGs

The morale of the story is: don’t use the 6’4 height as an arbitrary barometer, look at the player’s other measurments (and at video, whenever possible)

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

alvin robertson was the greatest forgotten guard of the 80s

dude killed everybody by beating them up physically

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by mittsabishy on Jun 18, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was good

so was Sidney Moncrief

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dominique Jones is Shannon Brown.

Now, there’s a place for a guy like that in the NBA. The Portland Trail Blazers, however, have no need at this moment in time for a player with that style of game.

by AK1984 on Jun 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What keeps you motivated to put your time, energy and money into this team? Is the hope that we can be the next San Antonio the motivation?

It has to be. And the winning formula is to assemble a big front line so your team can keep advancing in the post season. Small, quick teams look exciting/impressive winning games during the regular season against tired/disinterested defenses, but in the finals you had better be able to defend the paint and secure the defensive rebound

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Sidney Wicks

great player that had to play with a crappy bunch of scrubs

by ralphzillo on Jun 18, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

head case, squabbled with Petrie

Sidney got Lenny fired because the owner wouldn’t agree to let Wilkens trade Wicks. Then Weinberg hired Ramsay and Jack traded El Sid

(does any of this sound familiar?)

Great trivia question, name the 10-year NBA player who’s scoring average declined evey season he was in the league?

  1. in your hearts

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

stupid html

last line should’ve read “#21 in your hearts”

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

[Iguodala is] very good he’s not what you’d call a star player. In fact his production has regressed over the last couple of years. He also makes a crap-ton of money (at least for someone the Blazers would consider bringing in) so the Blazers would have to be really, brutally sure that he filled a clear spot and would produce for them to the point of being the missing link to a deep title run

Andre in theory would fill the 6th man 2-3 role very well, if he accepted it. He would be a very expensive 6th man, and Philly would be interested in Portland’s young talent in return (who we may or may not want to part with)

I prefer Andre Miller+Webster+Rudy+sweet’ner for Tony Parker, if it’s possible

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

unless his name is (drumroll)

Raef LaFrentz!

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

not at first

right after the trade there was a lot of talk re: how RL would help spread the floor from the backup 4-5. (He was Channing Frye before there was Channing Frye.) Then RL hurt his calf and everybody started counting the days until RLEC could be traded away

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Trailblazers need an IT guy

And it sucks to say that there are only on or two “IT” players in the NBA, one of them just won his fifth ring last night. I am not sure if ROY has that “Killer instinct” to become an “IT” guy. What is the “IT”? well lets put it this way..MJ was an “IT” guy, Kobe is an “IT” guy, Magic was an “IT” guy. It is looking more and more like only teams with the greatest players win championships. Hell, Timmy Duncan is an “IT” guy also. Teams like the 88-89, 89-90 Detroit Pistons, or the Spurs of the last decade are the only examples I can think of that don’t have a super star player. Portland needs that, as much as it pains me to say.

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by GTsmookie on Jun 18, 2010 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

*one

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by GTsmookie on Jun 18, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously looking to move Pryzbilla is a priority as well

Meh. Grumble grumble grumble

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Why is it so important to keep a guy who has a really, really good chance of not playing next season?

Unless you really want to resign him over the Summer for more than the MLE (assuming he doesn’t retire) I don’t see the point. Keeping Joel would save Paul Allen money, but from a basketball perspective I just don’t understand it.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because we don't know his health status, right now

Don’t think of Joel like Raef LaFrentz. Przy is an extremely valuable rotation menber when he’s healthy. There is nothing to gain (trade-value wise) by dealing him before his injury status is resolved. If he can return to the floor sometime this fall-winter and show the rest of the league that he’s mobile again, his trade value will sky-rocket. But if Oden-Camby can’t stay healthy, Joel’s value to Portland’s playoff chances will be critical

I doubt it’s even on KP’s back burner to deal JP right now. This is merely Bedgers fantasizing about “PrzyFilla and JPEC” 7-8 months before it’s appropriate

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Raef would have been very valuable if healthy.

Average to slightly below man defender, but very good weak side helper.
Way above average shooter, floated to the outside exclusively, but still boarded well.
He earned the contract from his previous work, just getting seriously hurt made him a joke.

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by mittsabishy on Jun 18, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think of Joel like Raef LaFrentz.

I think it’s less likely that he works himself back into Portland’s rotation. His injuries are no joke. I think you might be seriously overestimating the odds of him playing in the NBA next year, much less for Portland.

Przy is an extremely valuable rotation member when he’s healthy.

That about sums it up. If he hadn’t wrecked his knee (twice) then he would be valuable beyond an expiring contract. I wish he hadn’t, but he did.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 18, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Darth Vader voice

“I find this lack of faith…disturbing”

If there’s a possibility of Przy returning to action in the NBA I want that to be in a Blazer’s uniform. Not for sentimentality’s sake, but because I think he can be a tremendous asset to win a playoff series, or three

Again, there are 7 months before this decision needs to be made. The few accounts we’ve received from the PF is that Joel’s rehab is coming along and he’s had no setbacks. You can be as pessimistic about his chances as you want, but he should not be “shopped around” in the meantime. His expiring contract will have value up until the trading deadlline and if it’s determined that he needs to retire then another team can acquire him then for the insurance savings (if applicable) and the extra capspace

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

not true on several accounts
There is nothing to gain (trade-value wise) by dealing him before his injury status is resolved.

Odds are, you’re not going to know about how healthy he is really going to be before the February trade deadline, and his contract expires at year-end. Any team trading for Pryz would mostly be doing so for his EC, and then if he can play a little for them in the meantime that’s just a bonus. And if he can’t play – the contract is covered by insurance and then they get it paid for AND it comes off the cap.

If he can return to the floor sometime this fall-winter and show the rest of the league that he’s mobile again, his trade value will sky-rocket.

He’s had more prominent of an injury history than most people realize, and he’s not getting any younger. I don’t think that if he comes back and plays well that it’s going to dramatically increase his value around the league. Cap space is huge, and just about anyone that picks him up, coming off that injury, is going to be doing so for the contract situation, NOT for his ability. If a team was interested in that, they’d probably just try to wait and sign him – he’ll probably go for much less than the $7M he is currently making

by rip_city_swagger on Jun 18, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The time to make a consolidation trade is now, with the front office sitting on their hands this ...

off-season being a terrible, terrible decision. And, with all due respect to Joel Przybilla, it makes total sense in light of his career-threatening knee injury and contract status to move him as salary filler in a transaction that nets someone of Andre Iguodala’s caliber.

Oh, and if Greg Oden can’t stay healthy, the Portland Trail Blazers won’t bring home a championship trophy under any circumstances. Yet, in any case, the Trail Blazers must shore up its eight/nine-man rotation, balance the roster from top to bottom, and get its finances in order going forward.

by AK1984 on Jun 18, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you define market...

By population of the city? Of the County the city is in? Or adding up all the communities in the surrounding area?

If you do that with the Texas teams then the three cities population is:
SA – 1.3m
Dal – 1.2m
Hou – 1.9

Oops, Dallas has a smaller population than SA. But in Dallas you have to include Fort Worth which is .7m and oops, that makes Dallas/FW the same as Houston. Look at the counties:

Bexar (SA) – 1.6
Dallas/Tarrant – 4.1
Harris (hou) – 3.9

These aren’t really valid either. However, there are these unofficial areas around cities where population is a little more vague. Portland has the Metro area. Dallas has the metroplex (where the population is said to be about 5m).

Plus, aren’t there other factors like sports competition? In Dallas everyone either loves or hates the Cowboys but they ask you ‘what is that basketball team name again?’

Isn’t the whole market question something else anyway? Isn’t it ‘how many people would watch they play on tv?’ It’s got less to do with a teams ‘market’ than it has to do with weather people are interested in them. Portland has seen this first hand when the jailblazer era created disinterest.

Looking at it this way, what if the Blazers landed LeBron or Wade. Would the Portland ‘market’ size matter that much? There would be built in interest. People will ask ‘What can LeBron do in Portland?’ and they’d tune in to see.

by gooddebate on Jun 18, 2010 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Marketablity

Lakers have a history. Boston too. You can talk endlessly about those great teams while hyping the current championship series.

Cleveland v Portland in the finals—what would you do to fill air time?

by 7677maniac on Jun 18, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who’s the best Blazer nobody remembers anymore?

Gots to be Ollie Johnson

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Ollie could take Bill down low

and make him wish he never laced up his sneakers

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bill was starting to come on strong in his last few games before he blew-out his knee.

Ollie Johnson… wow, your memory is way better than mine. I just vaguely even remember the name.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 19, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went to a game back in the early 70s

and read his name on the notes from the program and it stuck. He and John Johnson used to be on the same team, but Ollie was my favorite “Johnson” on the Blazers

Years later, we adopted a cocker spaniel named “Ollie”

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by two4larue on Jun 20, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mikhail Torrance
I’d try to trade out of the first round and go for a big project point guard, a chunky rebounding power forward, or both with second round picks.

I’m pretty sure that’s who Dave is talking about. A big ambidextrous point guard from Alabama who can shoot it a little bit, runs the pick and roll well and played really well at Portsmouth this year.

I’m kind of tired of drafting point guards, but I wouldn’t mind seeing the team take a flier on this kid

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mikhail-Torrance-5846/

by nikolokolus on Jun 18, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Glad to hear your expert opinion.

Very informative … much more so than say a professional scout like Jonathan Givony.

(apply massive sarcasm here).

by nikolokolus on Jun 18, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

behind Dominique Jones

Torrance is the 2nd-best prospect who fits “the profile” (6’5 PG who can play alongside Bayless and defend SGs) in this draft

Jones is a better defender and has a 6’9 wingspan, so I give him the nod. But Torrance maybe still on the board at #44 so he could have action

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jones

But most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the late first. I agree with most of what you say (especially about his defensive potential) but he’s not seen as much of a shooter … though I suppose Torrance’s 36% mark from three on 3.5 attempts per game doesn’t exactly qualify him as “knockdown” (though his mechanics are mostly praised).

by nikolokolus on Jun 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jones can shoot

he made 35% from 3 as a frosh but then was shadowed during his soph-junior seasons and rarely got open looks (except by Syracuse, for whatever reason…)

if you want to see his outside stroke, check out this video (Love the beer held up in camera’s view at 1:21)

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robin Jones?

Only played for 12 games (w/ Houston) after his single season with the Blazers.

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by DonkeyShins on Jun 18, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

he's actually pretty well known

and wasn’t really a good player

but RJ was traded for Tom Owens who was traded for the Bowie pick and Sam was traded for Buck Williams

I’ll take a Robin Jones extended trade sequence for #52 any day of the week, how about you?

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by two4larue on Jun 18, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's a slippery slope...

I wouldn’t want to give P. Allen any more encouragement about moving the team to Seattle than he might already have.

by kuhnsmith on Jun 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

So unless he sells the Seahawks, he is effectively “stuck” in Portland, if it were his prerogative to move to Seattle.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 18, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three words- Stern and Tim Donaghy! (and doesn't count)

As long as Stern is the commish and refs. are crooked, we don’t have much of a chance. I think Stern would love it if the Knicks won the championship. His problem is that even he can’t overcome the Knicks’ crappy front office and on court play.

by kuhnsmith on Jun 18, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

High-Five for Dave

Way to rock the “to-do” list, my friend.

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Jun 18, 2010 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Wonder if Philly would be interested in expiring contracts actually.

I believe Carmelo has an ETO in 2011, which he will execute. That might be one guy that they would target next offseason, and expiring contracts would be even more valuable for that purpose.

I also believe Caron Butler, Zach Randolph, and Carl Landry will be FA’s, as well as people like David West and Carmelo having ETO’s.

Now, it won’t be like the offseason coming up, but it’s still one that has decent pickups available.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 18, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

+1 For the Dick Anderson reference.

Some guys always brought their lunch pales to work. Richard looked like the type of guy who always brought his fax machine to work.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jun 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

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