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Blazersedge Mailbag June 16th, 2010

Let's take a break (mostly) from the staffing shuffle and look at some more mailbag questions.  This almost catches me up with my mail!

Personally, i think The blazers sould  try trade up  in the draft  and pick up al farouq aminu. Sure, he's only 19 years old and has some holes in his game lack of a 3 point shot, kind of a tweener , brings alot of the same things to the table as current blazer nic batum etc... On the other hand  he has two things the blazers love in players come draft time. Length and potential along with  freakish athleticism.  Because of his youth and inexperience the blazers could bring him along slowly kind  of like they did with travis outlaw when he was first drafted. Thoughts?    

I like the guy.  The suggestion brings up a ton of philosophical questions though.  Al Farouq Aminu is projected to go quite high, as in single-digit spots.  The Blazers would have to offer a decent package to move up that far.  What would be worth that move?  A guy you love with the holes you mention looks pretty good in the teen picks.  But when you move up that far you expect to get exactly the guy you want for the price.  A tweener forward who has trouble shooting, dribbling, and hanging onto the ball and could take years to develop doesn't fit that bill.  Portland needs players who can contribute now.  They're already trying to develop Fernandez, Bayless, Batum, Cunningham, and in some ways Aldridge. If they do draft a project they don't want him to cost much...kind of like a free roll.  The Wake Forest phenom ain't that.

This is part of the reason I say seen boring draft days may actually be a positive sign somewhere along the line.  Portland may not get the best draft pick possible but they may not need (or want to pay for) the best draft pick possible.  Even if they could move up ultra high that wouldn't mean that they absolutely should.

In any case, the highest credible case I've heard made for a pick is Indiana at #10.  That wouldn't be enough to get Aminu unless he slips.

What do you think about going after Darren Collison?

Again, I like the guy.  He'd be an interesting fit here...maybe the best prospect among that class of "almost starters" we keep talking about.  The problem is that New Orleans knows it.  Just because they have Chris Paul doesn't mean they're willing to trade value without getting equal or better in return.  They're going to ask one of two things:

1.  Give us a hot, young prospect in return.  That Nicolas Batum guy looks pretty good.

2.  You can have him, but take some nasty contracts too.

I'd say no to #1 immediately.  The Blazers would say no to #2.  In my mind that makes the chances of getting Collison remote.  But I was wrong about what the Clippers would take for Marcus Camby, so you never know for sure.  If we'd take Emeka Okafor for some expiring (or shorter-term) contracts you never know...

I saw in the Full Court Press this week that Ira Winderman said, "I do think there is an outside chance the Heat makes a run at Greg Oden, or at least sees what the asking price would be."  Now while I love Oden and think that he has shown flashes of brilliance when he has been on the court the last two seasons, this quote intrigued me, to say the least.  Obviously, if Oden can stay healthy he will be a truly dominant player, but (as much as it hurts me to say this) that is a gigantic if.  Would the Blazersconsider moving Oden this off-season if it meant bring back proven pieces that could make an immediate impact?  Also, none of the Heat players (besides Wade, of course, who, in my opinion, is completely out of the question) really excite me, so are there other teams that could be interested in Oden or would there a potential three-way deal between the Blazers, Heat and another team that could net the Blazers an established player (or several) in return?  Or, is this question just completely stupid because Oden is, and will always be, a cornerstone of our franchise regardless of his on-court production because of the hype that has surrounded him since the Blazers drafted him?    

Miami doesn't have anyone who would make the Blazers think even once about a deal outside of Wade and there aren't any permutations that make that exchange work.  I don't think a third-party move would be in the offing either.  You remember how Woody Allen Groucho Marx said he wouldn't want to be in any club that would allow him as a member?  The rest of the league should take that view about trading for Oden as well.  If the Blazers are willing to deal Greg the potential trading partner should be wary.  It either means they think he'll never be healthy again or they think he can't become a championship player.  Assuming neither of those are true, nobody will offer as much in trade as Greg's potential is worth to Portland.  Even if you think Oden only has a 1 in 5 chance of bringing Portland a title that's still a chance at a title.  It's hard to make a trade that'll bring you that kind of opportunity, as other teams won't trade those players.  When you're talking about a rare seven-footer on top of that the chances become more remote.

I can't wait for the draft, this is the best time of year. Anyway, I think there are 2 or 3 PG's that the Blazers might be interested in (and two of them remind me a little of Coach Mcmillian).  What do you think of M. Torrance, Dominique Jones, and Armon Johnson?

LOL.  Good call on the "Find the Next Nate" thing.  Of the three I think Mikhail Torrance intrigues me most.  Ambidextrous, 6'5", can shoot a little, second-rounder...I can live with that.  Armon Johnson can't shoot from distance plus he's an iso player who has trouble defending.  Portland needs to strain all of those qualities out of the system.  Dominique Jones is more of a shooting guard but he's 6'4" and also has trouble shooting.  I don't like tweener backcourt prospects much.  He might be a first-rounder too, which means guaranteed contract.

I suggest having Greg come off the bench for the whole season regardless of how well he plays.  This way if/when that injury comes,  the players and fans don't get as deflated.  Also, his absence wouldn't mess with the starting line-up.  But here's the key: explain to Greg, his job for the 2010-2011 season is to win the 6th man of the year award.  Battling against 2nd string centers?  Hardly worrying about foul trouble?  AND getting some NBA hardware?  Sounds like a great plan for all!  But most importantly, this would get his confidence up while protecting the franchise from another meltdown we probably couldn't handle.  What are your thoughts?    

That won't be the plan coming out of the gate for a couple of reasons.  Starting positions and minutes are (at least in theory) earned instead of assigned.  If Oden is the best player, or at least the best fit, out there he should start.  If not he shouldn't.  Trying to mess with that order can fracture the team, especially since you're telling guys at other positions that earning spots is in their hands.  Second, the Blazers desperately need Greg to me more of a star and impact player, not less.  Plus Oden would be fielding questions at every road stop.  "Why are you not starting?  Do you consider that a disappointment since you were the #1 overall pick?"  Having it fall out that way naturally would be one thing.  But if it were pre-determined what is he going to say?  "This is what coach told me to do.  I don't know why I'm doing it.  Ask him."  That gets ugly fast.  Having said all of that, should Greg end up coming off the bench (during the early part of the season especially) I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world for the exact reason you mentioned.  Well, except the deflation thing.  I don't think the players get all that deflated.  It's hard when someone goes down but it's still their job and someone else has to step up.  You can't plan for failure or you're going to experience it.  You have to go into this season ready to squeeze everything possible out of Greg and let the chips fall where they may.  His play will tell you how much you can rely on him or not.

As for a future PG do you see my man Jerryd Bayless having the chance to run the offense in the near future? or do you think because he scores a lot of the time that Nate will just have him backup the SG spot behind Brandon and maybe look to add a future PG, thanks.

Jerryd's supporters and detractors both need the same quality:  patience.  Bayless got more opportunities this year than he did his rookie season.  I anticipate those opportunities will at least continue, if not increase, next season.  The only way that will change is if somebody outplays him for his position.  If by "having the chance to run the offense" you mean "starting" that's not in the cards as long as Andre Miller remains with the team next year.  That's not because Jerryd scores but because Miller is the superior NBA player right now and does more unconsciously as a point guard than Bayless has learned to do period.  But right now Jerryd is the clear backup point guard and should have the chance to increase those minutes along with a few at SG.  His time on the floor depends on the same things it always has:  play in the flow, make your open shots, learn to be selectively aggressive, defend.  Again, Jerryd showed improvement in at least three of those four areas last year.  If he continues that you don't have to worry about him.  Just don't expect the moon when we're barely clearing the atmosphere.

I read Blazersedge every day, but this is my first contact. I am very happy for Monty--I think it's wonderful that Nate's crew gets this kind of attention. But it raises a question: why Monty, and why not Dean? The write-up on Monty in the press releases paints a thin picture--his claim to fame is that he helped to develop Outlaw and Batum, which is great, but that seems light to the untrained eye. I mean, Thibodeau is not only a lead assistant, but is known to be responsible for Boston's defensive scheme, right? So what is the buzz around Monty that gets him not only a look (over Dean), but a job?  

Dean Demopolous has a good basketball mind and is a good teacher but most people feel that Monty is a five-tool coach:  X's and O's, player development, good communicator, confidence, and ability to bring people together.  That's not to say Dean couldn't, but Monty had the chance to show those clearly and stepped up.  Add in that Monty is a hell of a nice guy and well-respected by everyone who knows him and you can see why he got a job.

What do you think of the coaching shake-up?

I think Ben covered it really well.  I will only add a couple things.  First I want to affirm the role of Monty Williams in all of this.  He was a central hub on the staff, connecting most of the players and coaches.  While he was the glue, everyone fit.  When he left some re-examination was natural.  The instability at General Manager might also factor in here.  Second, Nate McMillan is facing what amounts to a must-win season this year.  If the team does not make it past the first round of the playoffs he's likely to be called to task if not outright fired.  Were I in that situation I would feel completely justified making any changes I felt necessary.  If you're going to fire me you're going to fire me on my own terms, having taken exactly the shot I wanted.  The Blazers lose X's and O's in this exchange.  Right now that responsibility rests on Nate.  Perhaps that's where it should be, as a reckoning will come one way or the other.  This much turnover is surprising but then again it might be the shake-up the team needs.  As Casey and I mentioned in the last podcast, many of these players have heard the same voices their entire careers.  A fresh perspective or two might be in order.  That said, I liked Coach Demopolous and I respected what little I saw of Coach Prunty so I'm sad to see them go.

My question is about sports journalism in today's age, framed around what happened or is happening with KP.  Why is it that no one in the industry has been able to "break" the story on what really happened?  To throw out my $0.02, I think journalism has changed radically, with much good but more worse.  There's more play in reporting the swirl than getting the goods, and most news mediums encourage this.  Where are the investigators with groomed sources and a passion for the truth.  Present are the days of "ireporters" with their low res snapshots of history without context.  I have to believe someone in the NBA outside the Blazers immediate control knows what happened if, properly cultivated, would leak the story.  Someone just needs to go get it.    

It's a complex question.  First off, I agree that the media leans far too much on controversy than substance nowadays.  We drink in the reaction to the story more than the story itself, perhaps an inevitable by-product of judging success by papers sold or hits registered.  Society as a whole has become more dramatic that it once was (witness the popularity of Reality TV!) and the media has followed that trend.

However the issue in cases like this isn't just societal, it's practical.  Multiple people have views on what's going on.  All of them have some authority.  Question #1:  Which of them do you believe?  Question #2:  Which of them can you get to go on record?  The first question is tricky because much of what goes on happens behind closed doors via interpersonal relationships.  What kind of story could we get on the argument you and your wife had last night?  We might be able to get your perspective and hers but each is biased towards a certain view.  Then you have the next door neighbor who overheard the argument, each of your parents, your kids, the dog.  All of them bring truth but none of them have THE truth.  In the end the truth comes out more in the facts of what happened rather than the reasons why, which we sometimes never know.  The second question is even trickier.  Your mom may know exactly what's going on between you and your wife and she may even whisper it to me over properly cultivated tea but she's going to balk big-time when I ask her to put her name behind it in public, precisely because you're going to read it.  This has become so prevalent that most sports media outlets will go ahead and run with "an unnamed source says" or "an Eastern Conference GM told us".  That's one thing when you're talking about trade rumors, but when you're talking about relationships, lives, careers, and he-said/she-said things that have multiple points of view at some point you are doing a disservice printing material that nobody will stand behind.  It stops being news and starts being gossip...that same kind of drama we just lamented.  To me, anyway, there's something demeaning about treating KP like Snookie and Paul Allen like "The Situation" (or whatever the heck the names are).  You lose something there.  We do follow up on what other sources say, trying to make sure the accurate (or at least well-analyzed) story is out there even if we wouldn't have printed that material originally ourselves.  But as far as throwing out whispered asides or rumors, in a situation like this unless someone will go on record we generally won't run with it.

Thanks for all the questions!  You can submit yours to blazersub@yahoo.com.  Please include "Mailbag" somewhere in the subject line to make it easy for me!

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) 

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It was the great Groucho Marx who used the line:

“I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member”

But it’s good to know you are a fan of Annie Hall. Woody does indeed say that Groucho’s line applied to his character, Alvy Singer.

"Brandon eats first around here" - KP

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 AM PDT reply actions  

OK

I scratched it and corrected.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 16, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should´ve answered:

“Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?”

by amlmart1 on Jun 16, 2010 4:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You remember how Woody Allen said he wouldn’t want to be in any club that would allow him as a member?

That was Groucho Marx

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey, we agree on something today. LOL

Look my post just above yours.

"Brandon eats first around here" - KP

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 16, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

More Marx quotes
I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it.

A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.

I never forget a face, but in your case I’ll be glad to make an exception.

I wish to be cremated. One tenth of my ashes shall be given to my agent, as written in our contract.

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll dance with you 'till the cows come home.

On second thought, I’ll dance with cows ’till you come home.

by jigglyai on Jun 16, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dominique Jones is more of a shooting guard but he’s 6’4" and also has trouble shooting.

Dave, Dave , Dave. You ask for a 6’4-6’5 guy with long arms and big hands, then one falls right in your lap and you worry about his shooting and that he’s a tweener?

Take a look at this video of DJ draining 3-pointers against Syracuse and then tell me how he has “trouble” shooting

Jones shot 35% from downtown as a freshman, then he was the focus of Big East defenses during the rest of his college career and so his average dipped into the low 30s. That’s something that can be coached back up easily at the NBA level, where he’ll receive more wide-open looks.

Dominique can defend 1s and 2s and is a big strong penetrator who wears out a path to the FT line. And best of all—he has a deadly floater from the dotted line! No Blazer guards can ever make floaters and this kid already has one perfected!

You will be assimilated, resistance to the DJ collective is futile

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 12:44 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

well sure

but most of those guys are 5’10 and have no other NBA skills

shooting mechanics can be improved through caching and reps, but you can’t teach a slow, short, vertically-challenged gym rat how to defend and score against 7 footers in the paint

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with the answer to the question on reporting, to a point

It’s really difficult to ‘break’ a story in this case, because the facts are so tightly guarded, and all the players in it are not able to enlighten us, the fans, either on or off the record for, what I assume, is a matter of company (and yes, the front office IS a company) stability.

Just like an argument with your wife behind closed doors, you generally don’t want the neighborhood to get wind of it.

That being said, I do wish they’d just air the dirty laundry and let us know what the heck is going on at One Center Court…

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jun 16, 2010 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

My source high up in the Blazer Front Office said that Tom Penn wanted to draft Yi Jianlian with the #1 pick instead of Oden. While it was many things that did him in, my source says this was the fundamental reason why Penn was fired.

picture me rollin'

by Utah Sucks on Jun 16, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Quick shared another tidbit this AM

he said that KP and Larry Miller have had disagreements re: how many public appearances that the players would do in the community. Jason says the players do more than what the league requires, and KP has tried to give them rest during the season. Then Quick said that KP asked Tom Penn to “handle” this duty for him and this created tension between Tom and Larry, as well as with Sarah Mensah.

Just another link in the chain

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

MSP podcast should be up on 95.5 website, the interview was around 7:40 this AM

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Penn WAS Asst. GM...

I don’t see any reason not for KP to delegate that tast to Penn in that case. However, I’ll agree that there’s something here. If this is a Miller/KP thing, Penn shouldn’t have been the one let go.

I can’t wait til this is all past us and we’re winning championships.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jun 16, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think what Blazer fans think of when they remember Tom

is that he was just the smart guy who crunched the numbers in the war room

but this past year KP was delegating more and more responsibilty to Penn. He was going on scouting trips and learning how to evaluate talent. Tom had a desire to be a GM in this league, not just a capologist, and KP was giving him the opportunity for on the job training

But perhaps Penn didn’t have the people skills to handle the day to day office politics with Miller and Mensah? (I’ve met some brilliant engineers over the years who are an absolute bear to deal with…anyone who has ever read the Dilbert comic strip knows what I’m talking about!) Some people have more than enough aptitude for a career but lack the personality to be successful at it, and that could’ve played a part in what led to Penn’s cryptic downfall

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The truth is polyhedrical.

Usually each one of us only see some faces and edges.

by amlmart1 on Jun 16, 2010 4:13 AM PDT reply actions  

A few reactions:

1) I don’t see the Draft as the solution to any of Portland’s near term problems. We need guys who are ready to contribute on day one. Those guys are few and far between, most go early in the draft, and it isn’t worth the price to acquire such a draft pick.

2) In particular, the idea of drafting a PG makes me nauseous. We have Miller for the short term. Bayless is far better than any rookie PG we could draft. If Bayless develops, we don’t need a rookie PG, if he doesn’t, we need to trade for a proven PG.

3) While I agree that Dre has forgotten more than Bayless knows as a playmaker, I think there are solid reasons to have Bayless spend significant minutes on the floor with the starters and to have Dre spend some minutes with the second unit.

Basically, my thought is a variation of what Nate tried at the beginning of last year with Blake. Bayless is a better spot-up shooter than Dre. He certainly isn’t at Blake’s level, but his 40% shooting from 3 for the last two months of the season is promising and significantly better than Dre. Playing Bayless for some minutes with the first unit would allow him to share playmaking responsibilities with Roy. Bayless can use his ability to penetrate to create open jumpers for Roy and Batum. He can run the pick and pop with LMA and a pick and roll with Oden. When Roy initiates the offense Bayless is a more legitimate threat from 3 pt range which will make it harder for the defense to double Roy.

Bayless was the teams second best scorer per minute last season. His TS% was actually better than Miller’s and better than Roy’s during his second season. Giving Bayless some run with the first unit will give the team an opportunity to take advantage of this scoring ability while reducing the downside of having Bayless as the only playmaker on the floor. It will give us a chance to evaluate how well Bayless would fit next to Roy as an eventual starter. If Bayless struggles, we will know that we need to look elsewhere for Miller’s successor.

Meanwhile, Bayless tended to struggle a bit when used as the sole playmaker for the second unit. Neither Rudy or Martell is proficient at getting their own shot. They need to becoming off screens and curls, or they need to be spotting up at the arc. Bayless is pretty good at breaking down the defense with penetration and freeing up teammates for open threes, but Rudy and Martell really struggled to hit those threes. Having Miller spend some time with the second unit would take full advantage of his quarterbacking skills, and give him additional scoring chances without taking shots away from Roy, LMA and Oden.

I envision a three man rotation of Roy, Miller and Bayless at the 2 guard positions. Roy would play his usual 36 minutes at the 2. Miller would play 30-34 minutes at the 1. Bayless would take most of the remaining minutes. Bayless would play the 1 when he was on the floor with Roy, and would still defend the 1 when he was on the floor with Miller. Most of the minutes that Bayless and Miller were on the floor together would be while the other team second unit was on the floor. I would usually have Miller defending the other team’s back-up SG. Many of the back-up PGs in the league are young and fast, Bayless is better equipped to defend these guys.

Obviously, there would be match-ups were this rotation would not work defensively. In such situations either Martell or Nic could slide over to the 2. Equally obviously, this scenario assumes that Rudy is granted his wish and traded. I could see the team trading Martell and Rudy for a more proven 2-3 back-up who is an excellent defender and someone who can help spread the floor. I could also see using either the draft or the MLE to target this kind of player although I would rather have a proven commodity than a rookie.

by upper left corner on Jun 16, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Very good post, ULC

I would note, as Dave does, however, that Bayless is far from a finished product. I like the kid — his effort, work ethic, and energy are all real positives. I believe he can develop into a very serviceable back-up PG. What we don’t know is how much further he will progress. Two things I’d like to see him improve on are his defense, and his court recognition when attacking the basket.

He has the quickness to be a very pesky defender; hard work and experience should improve him there.

I noticed after he had those handful of really good games early in the season that teams were able to adjust to him. Basically, when Bayless drives, he is committed to scoring. He needs to be able to recognize that second option. Some guys never do.

On a different point, Dave’s comment about the players needing fresh voices in their ears really struck home to me. As this last season progressed, I was struck by the frequency that Nate kept saying the same things — we need to play scrappy (does he write that on the chalk board?), we stopped moving the ball around, etc. When the coach consistently makes the same comments after games (not counting some of the innocuous, bland remarks that can follow every loss), I begin to wonder if perhaps the players aren’t hearing him.

There can be two reasons: the coach isn’t making his point clear; the players have stopped listening. In either case, this is a coaching problem. I like the fact that the coaching staff is being shaken up. I would have liked to see a change at the top, but I realize that isn’t realistic. New coaches should be guys who can help players move to another level, a guy who can help Aldridge become more aggressive, a guy who can keep the players and the ball moving side to side, etc.

by hercher on Jun 16, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

No argument, Bayless is clearly a work in progress

The kid is 21, he would be starting his senior season at UA this fall. A lot of fans are all googley over Collison, Dragic, and Lawson. All of these guys are older. Particularly given that Bayless was moved to SG for his one season at UA, it isn’t surprising that he is still has a lot to learn as a PG.

I definitely agree that recognition on both offense and defense is the key. Bayless is very good at penetrating and can get around almost any single defender. However, teams learned to stay back and block his shot at the cup rather than trying to body him on the drive. Bayless needs to anticipate the help in order to find the open man at the arc or to drop the ball off to the open big man down low. I do think he showed considerable progress on this last year, but it is a process and he still has a ways to go.

On your other point, I am equally tired of hearing Nate talk about “scrappiness.” I especially want to see the team hire a big man coach to help LMA and GO work on their low post moves. I hope whomever they hire as a lead assistant knows something about motion offense. The Blazers have a breadth of talent as good as anyone in the league. We need an offense that moves the ball to the open man and makes it harder for teams to double Roy and LMA.

by upper left corner on Jun 16, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bayless needs to anticipate the help in order to find the open man at the arc or to drop the ball off to the open big man down low. I do think he showed considerable progress on this last year,

This is true. Rex should also develop a pull up “floater” from the dotted line, then he’d be even more deadly

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Bayless will be the point guard after Dre

   He came a loooong way in the playoffs. Although his is still young he has shown he is able to improve. He works hard. He has unique skills ie gets to the basket and draws fouls. If he does add a little floater in the lane, and improves from deep…
O.R.

by Odenrising on Jun 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

the idea of drafting a PG makes me nauseous

They have pills for that, you know

What you suggest should happen, and we’ll see if it does. My idea of drafting D Jones dovetails with this, as it would add another guard to the mix who wouldn’t have to play big minutes right away, but who could play alongside Roy-Miller-Bayless in case of injury or foul trouble. A veteran PG like Keyon Dooling would also be a decent add, in case of injury to Miller (unlikely) or Bayless. Finally, your “2-3 back-up who is an excellent defender and someone who can help spread the floor” describes Raja Bell to a T

Miller-Bayless-Dooling
Roy-Bayless-Jones
Batum-Bell

let’s go to war

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do they have pills for when your owner threatens to fire your GM in an apparent fit of petulance and impatience?

I just hope our Commander in Chief doesn’t blow up our Army before we can get our boots on.

I like your additions, although I would not be adverse to giving Martell one more season. He is a decent defender and has a beautiful stroke. A bit more consistency and he might be just what we need, and he has a lot more tread left on his tires.

by upper left corner on Jun 16, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would not be adverse to giving Martell one more season

I wouldn’t either, but if Bell comes then Marty (probably) has to go. BTW, I should have put Cunningham in the depth chart at the SF. Dante is going to need some PT there

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dante Cunningham is a pure pick-and-pop 4, for we don't live in days before the three-point ...

shot became an integral part of NBA basketball. Also, with regards to Nate McMillan’s use of the high-low zone offense, the 3 (a.k.a., weakside cornerman) must be a threat from beyond the arc, which isn’t the case with Cunningham. On a final note, you can put me on down record expecting Raja Bell to sign a nice two-year, BAE-level contract with the San Antonio Spurs to backup small forward Richard Jefferson.

by AK1984 on Jun 17, 2010 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

That all sounds great.

I am for it if it will work. I think the three guards should play on both units anyway. Especially after all the injuries we had last year.

hg

by BBK on Jun 16, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you and 2-4Larue

have convinced me that drafting a point guard is probably not the best option. Taking another chance and adding another developing player to the roster is probably not a good move.
    My thoughts about going after a point guard for the future is purely based on a team identity. ( I would like to envision.) I am a firm believer that the point guard position should be a floor general type that can run the team out on the floor (an extension of the coach). I always have it in mind, that a floor general type point guard could be the missing element to the next level. Not to exclude Miller because he fills this description adequately, but he is aging and has some outside shooting issues that I think you need to have.
    Spreading the floor has been our most successful plan of attack, so I can’t argue with the thinking that this could be our shortest path to more immediate results. With the players we now have, I perfectly understand your logic of guard rotation.
  My train of thought has been sidetracked by the onslaught of recent developments, so it is difficult to envision much of anything right now. ….but if Nate is to be our coach( And I don’t see it any other way), then I would say that he could still have a strangle hold on any variations out of our present offensive plan. The 3 man perimeter rotation still puts us back to to 2 years ago with no new approach and the same predictability. Nate has not demonstrated that he can utilize his players and get the most out of their skills. He has almost zero flexibility and can’t adjust to the game flow. He seriously needs a floor general out there that can react to the immediate situations and have the ability to decide instinctively from reading the defense. The front line advantages are lost in our deliberate slow down/set play mode. IMO a good floor general point guard not only makes the correct variations possible, but allows everyone, including himself, to be a threat out on the floor.
     When your offense can’t take advantage of the defense, then you make life on the basketball floor, particularly tough for yourself… it will wear you out(energy for defense)and leave you more vulnerable to injury..
    I think you are referring to using Bayless as primarily in a 2 guard type of role, and I would like his chances better at that position. But I would also hold firm that Nate’s philosophy, point guard, and questions at center are the 3 most immediate concerns to moving on and getting to the next level. Some how point guard is getting put on the back burner and I just don’t get it. I do understand that the % of landing a ’difference maker" are slim and may be the reason we have to be content or at least get the most, out of what we have….This is when I shake my head…we have Nate… not the worst, but his stubbornness has no place when competing on the best levels.

by WyEast on Jun 16, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

the point guard position should be a floor general type that can run the team out on the floor (an extension of the coach)

That player is Roy, and has been since 2006.

I understand your feelings about Nate. He should consider himself in survival mode this coming season and that means he’ll play his veterans more than he normally would. Even if the Blazers drafted a rookie PG with promise, this would not be the year for him to develop, he’d be buried on the bench like Bayless was unless there were injuries.

Bayless alongside Roy should work in theory. We haven’t seen much of this backcourt combo, again due to McMillian’s need for ball control and a veteran PG like Blake. Until we see #4 and #7 have success at the 1-2, no one is going to feel comfortable about the Blazer’s future at PG. Hopefully by mid-season we’ll have a better read on it. There’s absolutely no need to panic and make a desperation trade for a PG at this point, unless it’s RC Buford on the other end of the phone and he’s offering Tony Parker

then all bets are off

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

My concern about Roy as PG, while he idealy has that ability - intermittently

is his durability and pace. Not the real solution in my mind.

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by Berkeley on Jun 16, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that Roy is the PG

he’s the extension of Nate out on the floor, especially at the end of games. The pace of the offensive system is directly connected to Roy. The ISOs are all about Brandon. He has the ball in his hands, he’s directing the offense when the game is in doubt

that doesn’t mean he defends PGs, or can play the position for 35 minutes a night.

KP was asked about the PG position back in April at the exit interviews and replied “we consider Brandon to be our PG” Now of course Andre Miller started sharing some of those responsibilities last year, and that should continue. But as long as Nate is Portland’s coach and Roy is the star, they’re joined at the hip. Strategically, emotionally, logistically, and fundamentally. I don’t see anyone driving a wedge between that relationship, not even Paul Allen. He can fire Nate, but he can’t turn #7 against the coach, or vice versa

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No argument about Roy and Nate

but it’s just another side point to be concerned about (IMO)
   We continue to let the defense know exactly what’s coming and putting the ball in Roy’s hands, sends a message all the way into the nose bleed seats. Roy has been shut down by the good defensive teams and when he does iso’s, often leaves teammates as spectators. He also expends a lot of energy that could be used on the defensive end..Someone needs to take over this duty from him, and is one of the reasons I’m for taking this responsibility off his shoulders. He may not know it or it might be an adjustment, but it’s for his own good as well as the teams.
       …..time to progress… time for this team to become a team and not cast it’s fate into one person’s hands. Time to give your team more options and give your star survivability…this team works too hard to get it’s shots….Roy can still get the ball in his hands, but how he gets the ball should come out of the flow of an offensive scheme..Back to the future is not a solution to getting above where we are at..
   If Kp said Roy was our point guard then what was Miller brought in to do? Also, if he thought for one moment that Miller could rotate at the guard slot like Blake , then he obviously did not scout him too well. Even casual basketball observation told us exactly what Miller was about. If Miller was not brought in here to be a floor general then what could they possibly perceive where his contribution would come from? What were they going to do re-invent Miller?
  I think you are correct in Nate’s assertion that Roy is the floor general and the extension of the coach out on the floor. This is generally obvious and given Roy’s talents, a logical choice. My contention will be, that this is still an issue, for all the reasons I’ve stated before. As long as we remain slow and predictable, (ball in Roy’s hands), we will continue to mire ourselves in a grind it out game that leaves mediocre returns.

 That said it, it’s still our most viable option at this point. We have what we have and until that changes, we will have to approach it more like refinement than wholesale change.
     I will continue to be skeptical until I see an identity that works well into the playoffs. I feel Nate’s lack of innovation and flexibility will continue to infect this team with post season mediocrity. But I would also gladly eat my words, because I’m not trying to prove a point, rather just stating an opinion.

by WyEast on Jun 16, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Someone needs to take over this duty from him, and is one of the reasons I’m for taking this responsibility off his shoulders. He may not know it or it might be an adjustment, but it’s for his own good as well as the teams.

I agree. I think in the long run it will be better if Roy plays off the ball more. I remember saying back in December that if Nate keeps playing him 40 mpg Brandon’s body is going to break down…then sure enough the “sniper” clipped him in the hammy and he was out for a month.

The knee injury later was more of a freak thing (stupid Artest) but the fact remains that if we want a long “run” of Roy then it means he’s gotta pick his spots and let Andre, Jerryd, Batum and even Oden set him up for spot up jumpers. Then, if the team needs him late in games to put on his Superman cape again, then at least he’ll be somewhat fresh. (I also want to see more defensive effort out of #7, and this will mean he has to take a few plays off on offense, and camp out in the corner)

Miller is the PG and the team did run more with the ball in Andre’s hands (he’s the master of the kick-ahead pass) but I really wanted to make a point about Roy and Nate, and to reset KP’s comment before he’s passed from the scene. I thought it was very revealing about how the Blazer’s staff view Brandon’s role. In the past, KP has compared him to K*be and Wade as a 2 who has the ball in his hands at the end of games. I don’t think that 1-4 (ISO) option should ever be completely scrubbed from the playbook, at least not while Roy’s knees still are fairly limber, anyway

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

well said.

I really see the Nate/Roy relationship (co-dependency?) as not the greatest thing. I would like the coach to stretch, rather than accomodate Brandon. It is so frustrating that my dissatisfaction with Nateball effects my attitude toward Brandon, such that I am not so gung-ho on the “Roy’s team”, “face of the franchise” program. Even Roy as all star, with us as playoff also-rans is not satisfying. Plus, Roy’s durability is a concern for me – like we don’t have enough with #1 pick. We do have potential to be better, but, we are in a potentially critical transition of some kind. Could be some gamble moves this summer – tough, high stakes decisions. Just waiting and watching.

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by Berkeley on Jun 17, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

some people would say

our sentiments toward this, means we have no use for Roy or Nate. I think it is on the contrary that we choose to recognize a potential problem that might continue to leave us in a holding pattern.This head down approach leads nowhere and really makes little sense.We don’t say we can do better, but we do say it’s time to question our leadership when they can’t seem to integrate their play and style to compliment the “team” rather than themselves.
    I could give them the last 3 years, as this approach may have made the most sense, but once you entrench yourself in a particular mode of play, you have essentially stagnated the whole process of getting better.

as I really see the Nate/Roy relationship (co-dependency?) as not the greatest thing. I would like the coach to stretch, rather than accomodate Brandon. It is so frustrating that my dissatisfaction with Nateball effects my attitude toward Brandon, such that I am not so gung-ho on the "Roy’s team", "face of the franchise" program.

  This is a good choice of wording, when it comes to describing how I feel, as well.
  
   shakeup?..well it is happening and who would have thought about this until recently…why? haven’t got a (non-speculative) clue, but I’m not so sure it is such a bad thing. A few rail cars have come off the track(or have been derailed) so it might be a chance to take in deeper condsiderations that could turn into some harder and generally unpopular decisions.(hopefully mindful ones)
   If I knew there were some smart and technically fundamental basketball minds behind all this I would be less concerned. So far the Allen group has plenty to prove and leave a lot to be desired. Even politicians make an attempt to defend their integrity…then again none of Allen’s associates and partners have to worry about the voice of the public, either.

by WyEast on Jun 17, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am an advocate of "playmaking" rather than "a playmaker"

If you watch Boston, Rondo takes turns initiating the offense with Pierce. Whenever Pierce wants the ball and wants to initiate the offense Rondo gives it to him. Often Pierce doesn’t end up shooting, but he starts the play and reacts to what the defense gives him.

I envision a similar system for the Blazers. When Bayless and Roy are on the floor together they take turns initiating the offense. When Brandon sees something that he thinks Bayless is missing he can take the ball and exploit what he sees. This will act as a check on Bayless’ tendency to shoot a bit more often than he probably should (although in fairness to Bayless, his utilization rate in the playoffs was a pretty reasonable 24.1 during the playoffs when he got to play more with the big boys). It will also help Bayless, Miller and Roy with conditioning if they are taking turns. It also makes it a bit more difficult for the opponent to plan their defense if three different guys with different tendencies are each taking turns initiating the offense. It is tough for teams to get their double teams and rotations straight if different guys are starting the offense in different places on the floor.

by upper left corner on Jun 16, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This will act as a check on Bayless’ tendency to shoot a bit more often than he probably should

I can remember one late-game situation last year when Jerryd took a shot when he “shouldn’t have” and received the dreaded “walk across your path” from the coach and the “hairy eye-ball” from Brandon

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember it well.

Bayless understands that it is in his own self interest to keep the big boys happy.

by upper left corner on Jun 16, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you have a reasonable approach

and it could work for the Blazers. Especially when you calculate in the players we now have. It will depend entirely on the ability to blend in variations and not close the door to instinctive play…however, this is what Nate continues to shut the door on..Once you start to put limitations to your offensive plan, you start to negate any opportunities that could develop out of immediate “on the floor” situations. Hence your players can become robotic and not as reactionary as you would like.

   Rondo still calls a certain % of the plays out on the floor. River’s now trusts his point guard enough to run the team out on the floor…this is just smart basketball (if you have the tools) because it can give you an immediate advantage over the defense and get you more easy transition-type hoops. Lack of these usually spells doom over the long haul. It is the very reason I tend to weigh the importance of having a floor general type point guard more heavily than some. He has the best tools for seeing the floor , generating the play, and setting up his teammates with the best scoring opportunities.
    So what I am saying is; if we continue to identify our team as half court only then it is likely that your envision will work just fine and also suits the players (and coach) we currently have. My contention will be that getting to the next level. may require a different approach and that could mean re-evaluating the point guard role and possibly go as far as a coaching change..I think we do agree that taking a look at next season and giving it one more chance to succeed is the most likely and most logical approach.

by WyEast on Jun 17, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

A back-up for Roy that can defend is a team need

Yes Greg Oden’s health is the #1 question for next year, but getting a quality back-up for Roy is the number two issue.

Rudy can’t guard anybody because he is too puny. Webster is better but just barely. Both have major issues getting their own shot and making smart plays.

So if there is a guy that can play behind Roy and really dominate off the bench, that is the team’s biggest hole right now. If Xavier Henry, James Anderson, or Elliot Williams can fit that bill- go get them. If not, make a trade for a veteran.

by ralphzillo on Jun 16, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

If Dominque Jones, Xavier Henry, James Anderson, or Elliot Williams can fit that bill- go get them

Fixed it for ya

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right with you two4

Dominique Jones is the anti-Rudy, he can defend, board and slash and is the best fit for the Blazers off the bench at the 2 spot. In fact, his ability to create may fit better with Bayless since Bayless has the speed to complement D. Jones’ more power type game.

Jones can also direct the offense at times, giving Jerryd more opportunities to attack from the wing.

by Rip City Reign on Jun 16, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

we'll see if the Blazers agree, on the 24th

they worked DJ out in Chicago last month with Paul George. DJ should still be around at 22 so all of these rumors about the Blazers “moving up” could be a smokescreen or they could be looking at another wing like Wes Johnson or Patterson

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is part of why I'm willing to part with Rudy

Martell has proven himself as a defender. No, he’s not an elite defender, but but he’s proven the ability to be tenacious and committed and I think he understands how important that aspect will be to advancing his career.

Jerryd’s got more to learn and dosen’t have the wingspan to generate a lot of steals, but again he’s proven to be tenacious and committed on defense, and I’m convinced he will eventually be a solid participant in any team defensive scheme, and has enough speed to stay in front of guys, which is enough.

In my mind, if we trade away Rudy that’s minutes for both of those guys, and we know Martell plays better when he gets more time on the floor, and Jerryd flat out needs minutes to develop further.

Although I agree that drafting a PG has been a Groundhog Day sort of misadventure for this team over the last few years, I’m still inclined to lean that way. Andre’s not in this rotation forever, and so it would be good to have another one in development. I’m not convinced that Mills will ever work out in our system. I think he’s talented and can play, but I think he’s a major defensive liability come playoff time. Remember Damon Stoudamire? Lately I’ve been watching clips of the infamous Game 7 on Youtube… like picking at a scab I suppose? But I watch Damon unable to stop guys from shooting over him again and again. Is Patty better than Damon? And on two4larue’s argument that we would probably be best served by trading for a PG, I think having a promising young PG you’re willing to trade back helps smooth a deal like that. Maybe mills is exactly that kind of trade piece?

I dunno. Maybe we should just draft another center. We seem to burn through them faster than metal bands go through drummers.

Like the Whos down in Whoville they did it without boxes or ribbons or bows, they did without centers or posting down low. They won without All-Stars and Spaniards and Frenchmen. They won with old geezers and sub-par defense-men. They won playing rookies from deep off the benches. They won with their grit and their guts in the trenches. And some who observed them have been known to say that their hearts grew three sizes (at least!) on the way. One hopes with their poise and their passion now proven that once they are healthy their game will be groovin'.

by conspirator5 on Jun 16, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Patty better than Damon? And on two4larue’s argument that we would probably be best served by trading for a PG, I think having a promising young PG you’re willing to trade back helps smooth a deal like that. Maybe mills is exactly that kind of trade piece?

No, Patty is not better than Stoudamire, Damon was the rookie of the year with Toronto and once scored 50+ points in a game. They are similar in stature, and neither are really PGs despite their size. The defensive liability alone should be enough to shy away from players who are shorter than 5’10 in the NBA, but the other aggravating factor is both of these guys can penetrate into the paint but their high-arching layins rarely find the twine. It might as well be a turnover when those bunny layins spoon off the rim and into the hands of an opposing player

As far as Patty’s trade value goes…he was the 55th pick in the draft. Just about every NBA team had the opportunity to select him 12 months ago, and he hasn’t done much to distinguish himself in the time since. Born said that it’s still up in the air for Mills re: summer league, the team was going to make Patty a qualifying offer and then see what he and his agent decide to do. If Mills signs and plays well in Vegas then he might have some trade value. I don’t think he’d be considered as much more than a throw-in to a larger deal, but you never know if there’s a GM out there who might feel he’s exactly what his team needs

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

When BRoy goes out for a rest

We could slide Batum over to the 2 and put Martell or Dante in at the three, since LMA or BRoy is usually always in the game.

that could be Bayless, Batum, Dante, LMA and Camby. that would not be to bad for a second unit.

More to the point, I think we should give Batum a chance to be a shooter, a facilitator, and the one or two pecking order. That is unless Nate starts making plays for him as is said.

If opposing teams puts their short, fast second unit guards on Batum because he doesn’t get in the offense much and he starts posting them up like said then we would have a powerful offensive and defensive player that could back up BRoy as the two or the three. or the three guard rotation thingy.

hg

by BBK on Jun 16, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

A backcourt of Bayless and Batum might stuggle against ball pressure

but not any more than Rex and Rudy did

I like the idea of Nic as a starting SF and backup SG, I think he has the court vision and feel for the game to improve as a playmaker and post-entry passer. In that sense, Nic reminds me of a young Nate McMillian

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tried to reply to your post

But somehow It ended up way down the line. Do you think I may have screwed up?

Anyway, I think Batum could be a great back-up for BRoy.

hg

by BBK on Jun 16, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Martell is more of combo 2-3 than Batum but

 If Batum is on the floor when Martell checks in for Roy it doesn’t much matter if you call him a 2 or 3 does it? One of them has to get better WITH the ball. I believe Batum will but Martell? probably not at this point in his career.
O.R.

by Odenrising on Jun 16, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

But

It has been said that Batum will be playing PG and SG for the French team, so IMO, Batum would be better at the two. Although like you said it really doesn’t matter what you call them two or three. But, I think Batum will be a better facilitator then Martell.

hg

by BBK on Jun 16, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Batum >>> Webster as a ballhandler

it really isn’t close. Nic keeps his head up when driving and can already make simple passes to open teammates. Marty has tunnel vision on the front of the rim when he penetrates, and shows the ball ’way too early when he goes up to dunk (similar to Jermone Kersey, back in the day)

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave,

Any news if Patty is playing in summer league?

by Odenrising on Jun 16, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

yes, Portland will make the QO

according to Born on 95.5 this week

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign Boykins as the backup PG

He is available cheap, has the veteran skills to back up Andre until Bayless or another PG is developed and Earl can distribute AND score.

To address his weaknesses: Nate has the will and personal to quash Earl’s sometime shoot-first tendencies; the zone D and our bigs on the second group can mask his defensive shortcomings, which are less than advertised – he is still very quick. Not the long term solution but a very good short term fix.

by William Y on Jun 16, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Ack

there should be a 6’2" sign that reads “you must be at least this tall to play PG for the Blazers” at the entrance of every fanshot and fanpost on BE

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by two4larue on Jun 16, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

lack of a 3 point shot ?? uhhh …
if you look at his stats and his selection ..and even how many he took …he’s a very decent 3 point shooter…

that’s ridiculous to say lack of a 3 point shot. he went 8 for 11 or something one night. .

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