Is Confidence High?
So Blazer Fans...is confidence high?
The past few recent years I thought the overwhelming feeling during the off season was hopeful. Even the Oden rehab year was full of hungry anticipation over what might become.
I've been reading the "What's The Slogan Now" thread, and seem to notice a high degree of mistrust, or cynicism being communicated in the slogans as a whole. Most of it, is good natured and presented in a tongue in cheek manner but taken as a whole it seems to illuminate a growing mistrust of management and a receding confidence.
I can only conclude that confidence among Blazer fans, while not at an all time low, is also not very high. Seems like in light of Oden and Brandon injuries and in light of Vulcan, Allen, Pritchard "turmoil" everyone is holding their collective breaths....just waiting to see what happens. I can only further conclude that given the tone of the slogans as a whole...fans are not particularly confident that management and/or our talent base is potent or competent enough to meet expectation.
We've been here before, for different reasons, during The Jail Blazer era. But I suppose that it's a good thing that it seems odd today.
Am I misreading things? So Blazer fans, Brandon, Oden, Aldridge, Batum....do you still believe? Paul Allen / Vulcan and Blazer Management...able to create and sustain a winner?
Just seems to me that given the roster we have, and the management situations that are developing this off-season and the upcoming next season could be the most pivotal time in recent Blazer History.
If this team fails, or doesn't meet expectation, we could be right back at square one.
I just can't get a good feel from any place whether this team and franchise is coming together or falling apart...it seems to be on the brink of doing either.
I myself offered the slogan "Nothing Has Been Determined" and I was 1/2 joking....but there is a grain of truth to it. The problem in having confidence in The Blazers or hope for the future is that is seems that Roster, Coaching, Management and even Ownership are all in a place where nothing is determined. Thus, it's hard for me to think confidence is high surrounding this franchise.
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I wish my confidence was as high as it was last summer. I think you hit it right on the head, there are so many unanswerable questions right now.
Whether Oden can make it through a season and play meaningful minutes. Whether Roy can stay healthy. What will the Rudy saga entail this year? Who will replace Monty. Will Pritchard get slapped. Will the Blazers make some trades, and if so for who, and who will we say goodbye to. Will the Blazers modify their offense to one that is more effective, especially in the post-season. I’m not even bringing up questions about Nic’s shoulder or whether Pryz will even play this year, nor whether any of last years rookies will have a sophomore slump or breakout years. What will Bayless do with obviously increasing playing time next year. I am confident in saying only this: we don’t know anything yet.
I'm a Greg Oden honk, yeah.
Even when I was still a Sonic fan, I liked Oden more than Kevin Durant.
by AK1984 on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT
Ooops
You must have been writing this while I was drafting my post. Sorry if I happend to cover the same ground. I guess we’re feeling the same anxiety.
The lack of information about any true root-cause is what’s so frustrating. There just doesn’t seem to be a reason for the unrest and that’s amplifying the rest of the team’s questions.
It starts at the top.
by Steve The Hedge on Jun 12, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions
Root Cause? Reason...
…I think we know what is causing the cynicism or lack of confidence. Blazer management has undermined themselves. The way they have handled “The KP situation” has created the mistrust.
2-3 years ago, we looked at a young roster of Brandon Roy, Aldridge and the opportunity to add Greg Oden who was suppose to be the next dominating N.B.A. center along the lines of a Tim Duncan or Shaq- quality center.
Now we are faced with the possibilty that all this wonderfulness…might not pan out to be as wonderful as we hoped. Brandon might not be durable. Oden might be a total bust. Even Aldridge is hampered by perceptions of soft play.
So while we might whistle past the graveyard…I think those are the root causes and reason for the concious or even subconcious unease of this off-season.
It’s not a lack of information, it’s a lack of knowing direction. At some level what do you do? Brandon, LMA, Oden STILL imo deserve the chance to show if they can be a championship viable nuculeus. It’s premature to give up on that.
So I guess we continue to hope for the best…and hopefully next off-season the slogans are a little less cynical.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
pivotal year for sure
that’s what makes this off season and this coming year so interesting and also what is making many people nervous. Will we have a change in GM? Will we find out that we wasted another year with the wrong coach? Will we find out that the injuries aren’t just a fluke?
Things could go very wrong or they could go very well.
For me it’s not so much about feeling confident, it’s more about watching how things unfold with a very close eye because this could be one of those definitive seasons that alters the direction this franchise is going in.
Looking forward to it…
Not trying to troll...
…not trying to cause more unrest. But you say you are looking forward to it?
Are you? I even sense in Dave…and his reaction to the KP debacle, a frustration voiced in so much as “Why Can’t This Franchise Just be Normal?”
I can say I’m looking forward to definition…good or bad. But honestly part of me is growing tired of the process.
All franchises go through build and rebuild…and the harsh truth is only 1 franchise a year is good enough to be the given champion…
But The Blazers perhaps more than any other franchise are held to this standard of make us proud…win a championship…by the fanbase.
It’s tough because rebuilding out of the Jail Blazers era, we wanted a return to playoff contention. But now the fanbase want’s more.
It’s different for the Blazers perhaps than most other franchises. Not only do The Blazers have a rabid fanbase…but we also have mythology surrounding the team that is hard to deal with.
Paul Allen…magical, unlimited resources…if he really wanted he could buy the N.B.A. and proclaim the Blazers Champions…..Or simply make Dwight Howard and Lebron James play for Portland and let the chips fall where they may….
Reality? Paul Allen is human…a very, very wealthy human…but vulnerable to the same physical, emotional, and intellectual strengths and weaknesses of any human. Plus history seems to illustrate that while a huge advantage…a franchise saving and sustaining advantage…when the Blazer Humpty Dumpty falls? All the Allens Horses and All of Pauls Men cannot put Humpty back together again….
Tie that reality with the hopes that were elevated when we won the #1 pick and obtained Oden and we could really be riding for a fall.
Am I looking forward to it? Or am I just tired and wishing all the unknowns and questions would just go away? Is there a part of me that isn’t blaming anyone…but secretly wishes that we had just been a little less lucky 3 years ago and won the 2nd pick in the draft?
Maybe….maybe I sense a collective frustration of Blazer fans and a collective…feeling sorry for ourselves.
I do wish there were more reasons to make it go away.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Who's really being unrealistic
I’ve never seen anything like this before. I wouldn’t say half but a good portion of fans think Nate’s the worst coach ever, while the other 60%feel he’s one of the best in the league. Half the pdx pop. wanna run LMA outta town, and the other half love him and think he’s doing what’s been asked of him. Some fans have been able to put their passion for the home team aside and honestly critique KP performance over the past 4 yrs. The other half think KP is the greatest thing that ever happened to the franchise.
It’s funny, I’ve heard Brandon Roy mentioned with Kobe and Wade. I’ve heard people completely credit KP for saving the franchise from the depth of Hades. Greg Oden is one of the greatest Centers ever, yet I’ve never seen an Adjusted MVP awarded, and its the more critical fans who expect more that are being unrealistic.
There are many questions that need to be answered, but there are even more reasons for optimism.
Partly, it is a question of perspective. If the only outcome that is acceptable to a particular fan is a Championship, that is a high standard to meet. For me, while I hope for a Championship, I expect the team to contend for a Championship. If we make it to the Conference Finals and the NBA Finals but not to the parade, I will be disappointed, but the disappointment will be outweighed by the excitement of having the team in the hunt.
I am angry about the "KP situation. I think it would be a terrible mistake to fire him, and I think the way PA and the Vulcans have treated him is unpardonable.
I am concerned about Oden’s health and Roy’s durability. That seems like the only rational reaction to the last three years.
I am dismissive of all the LMA bashing. People are just frustrated that LMA could not carry the franchise in the absence of Roy and Oden. It was an utterly unrealistic expectation from the get go. I think LMA is a perfect complimentary scorer and is likely to ultimately be a great fit for the teams needs.
I have doubts about Nate’s ability to adapt quickly and develop schemes that take advantage of this teams breadth of talent.
Having said all this, I am an optimist. I look at the roster and I see a breadth of talent that is breathtaking. We have six returning players with a PER above 17. There is not another franchise that has more than 4. We have three guys who are starting quality centers. Six of our top eight rotation players are 25 and younger. Oden, Batum, and Bayless all made huge strides last season and I think there is reason to believe that each will continue to improve. We have no bad contracts. We have expiring contracts that are valuable if we need to make a trade. It is an embarrassment of riches. If a few things break our way, we are definitely going to be in contention.
by upper left corner on Jun 12, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
Believe me, the crash hurts more the higher the team goes when they fail to win it all
If the only outcome that is acceptable to a particular fan is a Championship, that is a high standard to meet. For me, while I hope for a Championship, I expect the team to contend for a Championship. If we make it to the Conference Finals and the NBA Finals but not to the parade, I will be disappointed, but the disappointment will be outweighed by the excitement of having the team in the hunt.
Most of us remember 2000, that sucked. 1990-1992 were bad, as well. It’s like having an ice cream cone that you only get to lick once then the cold stuff falls off and into the rain gutter. It’s so easy to say “I’ll be fine if they just get to the WCF and lose” but when that time comes, it’s a punch in the gut that takes all summer to get over (or 10+ years, in some cases)
But you know what’s even worse? Being just good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win a series, year after mediocre year. Sure, there’s a measure of fun watching the team win some big games during the regular season, but if you’re sitting around watching the other NBA teams every May/June what’s so fun about that? There’s not even the draft to look forward to, because you’re stuck drafting in the 20s every June.
It’s better to take chances in the NBA, don’t sandbag and hope that your ship comes in someday. Fortunately, the Blazers have Paul Allen as an owner, and (despite the bad treatment that KP is receiving right now) the thing that we always know about PA is that he’s not going to let the grass grow through the cracks in the sidewalk. If the team has hit a plateau he’ll apply enough dynamite to turn the rut into a crater—for better or worse—at least it won’t be boring
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Now that's what I'm talking about
Right on two4larue, and I know it looks like KP is being treated bad, but I don’t think it’s as bad as it looks. He put his house up for sale, so I don’t believe the Oregonian journalists when they say the organization hasn’t talked to KP. KP knows what’s up. I also believe Larry Miller when he says nothing been determined with KP yet. To an extent. I believe KP is out as GM, but who knows he may stay on in some capacity with the team. Demotion maybe til a GM spot opens for him elsewhere. I also believe PA when he says the franchises goal is still to win championships.
I am not a natural "sports fan"
Though while I was a kid I played several sports, basketball being one of them, and followed and even went to a couple Blazer games. Eventually I was at just the right age to become disillusioned with the Jail-Blazers and the constant humiliation that Portland felt because of that. The games got boring and so I stopped watching Basketball. I didn’t choose another team, and I figured if this team was going to represent my home town so terribly then I was just going to ignore their antics all together. And it was relatively easy, everyone else seemed to want to brush that current era under the rug and I imagine a lot of fans were in a similar situation to me.
But then I started hearing things about the Blazers again. A couple smart moves, good draft picks. We hit a couple winning streaks. When I looked back at the Blazers I saw a young, character filled team, that had amazing potential and I was drawn back in. I don’t care so much about us winning it all, but I do care about the team treating the game with respect, and treating their fans with respect – giving us a quality product that we can feel good represents us on a national level. I feel that the 2009-2010 product did just that. Sure we caught some flak for being “frail blazers”, but in every breath that mentioned that was also mentioned the strong dont-give-up mentality that had developing in Portland.
If Portland were to field the same team they did last season, I would in no way feel I had had a fast one pulled on me, or that I was getting less than I deserve. There is a particular mentality some seem to have, and perhaps the front office feels this as well, but that if moves are not constantly being made then the team is missing out and doomed to mediocrity. Perhaps what scares me the most is I feel the front office has become a bit frantic, and are going to flail around this summer looking at everything.
It is fun to discuss how the Blazers could get better. It is fun to see them make the playoffs and make a good standing there. But at the end of the day, if winning becomes the only focus, then you end up with a team full of miscreants and trouble-makers, as they players themselves are only focused on winning. As long as I feel the front office has respect for the players and fans I will continue watching Blazer basketball. But once that respect has been lost it will only be a matter of time before I, along with numerous other fans, become disillusioned once again. We are in no way there yet, but the writing has appeared on the wall…
You're the type of fan that I feel sorry for,
When thinking of Blazer basketball, if the first thing that comes to mind is the Jail Blazers then that’s your problem not mine. I’m old enough to remember a time when this team was competitive for two decades. Twenty three straight post season appearances. I’m not sure if it still stands but at one time it was the longest running record of any team, in any sport. Not bad for lil ol’ Ptown.
I was just as embarrassed as anybody about the 4-5 years of mediocrity, and illegal activities, but I took it with a grain of salt because I knew it’s wasn’t a true reflection of what this organization was really about. Besides, you know what they say the bigger they are the harder they fall.
It’s funny though how many new found/reborn Blazer’s fans wanna point to hindsight whenever anybody is critical of GO, but isn’t that what we we do all the time with the Jail Blazer era. The truth is PA had a formula. That formula spit out Smitty, Pip, Brian Grant etc… PA has always been ready and willing to wheel and deal, not to mention open the check book to improve the team. It’s what got us to within 5 min of an NBA finals in 2000 with some of the afore mentioned class acts. It also got us into trouble with Kemp, Miles etc. Never the less the moves he made had every intention of putting a winning product on the court. It’s unfortunate that it blew up in his face.
To PA’s credit though, the organization learned from their mistakes, and made it clear that they would no longer sacrifice character for talent, and they haven’t. Even if Pritch never got the GM job, the players responsible for bringing shame to the organization would still be gone so I don’t see why change has to mean we’re going back to the Jail Blazer era. Even if Pritch is fired, you can bet the Blazer Brass will still be cautious of what type of person they’re bringing in, so to act like PA would be lost without KP is a little ridiculous. The truth is only KP and PA know how well of a job Pritch really did. The general public will never know ALL the possible trades that were offered, and which ones should have been accepted. If PA feels like the way to improve now is to trade some potential for bona fide players, and KP isn’t on the same page then it’s probably best they part ways.
I think the Jazz were one year behind us
and Utah bounced back up into the playoffs a lot faster
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
as they players themselves are only focused on winning.
What would you prefer they be focused on? Joining hands and singing kumbaya?
Don’t fear a slide back into the Jail-Blazer era. Portland fans are about as paranoid re: that scenario as they are about the front offce trading way “the next Jermaine O’Neal”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Taken out of context that implies something different than what I meant to imply
What I was implying was that the organization focused the players only on winning (because the front office was itself only focused on winning), and thus turned a blind eye to who and what some of these characters were doing off the court (but still in the public eye).
I still feel like perhaps I am not being as clear as possible, so try to work with me, but when an organization becomes obsessed with a single goal to the exclusion of all else, these types of things tend to happen. This is not to say that that goal should not be worked towards, nor that it should not be anything but the top priority, but when dealing in such a human business, to ignore the flaws a player might have as a person, and to put them with other characters with similar flaws such that they might be magnified, even if it appears on paper as a winning combination, can be devastating to the organization. Sure one can claim that the F.O. didn’t know about this, but what typified the Jail-Blazer era so much was the obvious sickness that affected upper-management’s judgement in dealing with these public relation’s problems, that they felt because we were so close that these problems could be ignored.
In conclusion, I am not personally that worried about returning to the Jail-Blazer era. I believe if we have problems with the team it likely wont be those similar problems, and even less likely to have a similar string of them. What I worry about is the same sickness reappearing, a similar frantic sort of feeling that Paul Allen is trying to find the shortest path, rather than the surest path. Sure they might be one and the same, but to make moves purely for the sake of trying to find that path is to ask for mediocrity. My optimism is high, it would be very hard to mess up this current chemistry and talent we have here, in essence I feel we are on the right path. Trying to bush wack our way into finding another path, at this particular point in time, is more likely to lead us over a cliff than to a road.
I suppose I should also point out that I have no problem with high-risk / high-reward scenarios
and that those types of moves are not what I am referring to. I do not think we necessarily need to make a high-risk / high-reward move, but I do understand it is those types of decisions that allow a franchise to make it to the next level. Two things to consider when making those moves is:
1. They compound each other. It is a bad idea to have many high-risk / high-reward situations because, like a house of cards, they can topple each other.
2. The risk has got to be the right risk. The reward has got to be the right reward. For example (but not the only situation this applies to), if the risk you take involves the foundation of your business (franchise) then it can take nothing more than that single risk to destroy everything. Think of Washington this year – if they had not been bailed out with the #1 pick (cough thats a discussion for another time, but one that begins to question this lottery system) their 2010-2011 season would have been very very bleak…
I don't have time to give you the response that you deserve
so I’ll just say this. Allen did what he needed to do in 2004 to restore the brand. Today he’s doing what he thinks is best to win a championship. If it seems like the 2 courses of action are different, that’s because they are. But the goal in a competitive venture should always be to win it all. Not all franchises think like this, I’m glad Portland’s does.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
And I don't see bad character guys being added to the roster
Miller may be churlish, but he’s a quiet family man off the court
Camby wants to be a high school principal. Enough said
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I'm confident that...
Portland will make the playoffs next year and won’t reach the finals. Everything else is pretty much up in the air. Bold statement I know ;).
Too many question marks. But if they can stay healthy and build some chemistry and stability out on the court – they have a great potential no matter what other little obstacles get in the way.
But really, all comes down to health.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
My lack of confidence
really has nothing to do with the quality of the product on the floor. I still think Roy is top-tier, Oden can be a season-changer, Batum will be an All-Star, Aldridge will be solid, Bayless can be our point guard, and Cunningham will surprise everyone…but…
The fact that the GM took the Blazers from bottom-dweller to exciting rising team while not sacrificing good character and is now on the ropes has me disheartened and disillusioned with the Blazers.
There will always be fans with unrealistic expectations and who fail to see the positive side of anything but that’s their problem. When it’s also true of the owner, well, it leads to short-sighted moves like firing KP for letting people get injured. That’s what has led to my low confidence level.
Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob
Just like,
there will always be fans who fall in love with players, or in PDX’s case GMs, and fail to see that there is a business side to it. Giving KP credit for taking this team from bottom to top has everything to do with the quality product on the floor. However, I don’t think PA is judging KP by what our team does in the standings. To evaluate KP you need to ask yourself one question, has KP gotten the most for this team given all the resources and assets.
as long as we got a team
that plays hard and give 100% effort im reasonably satisfied. other factors which u cant influence (injuries etc) i take it as it comes, but i was damn proud the guys played hard against the suns despite what happened during the season.
Good question
I am a believer in McMillan. I believe he has the chops to branch out the offensive schemes and grow the talent given to him. This year was freaky hoodoo bad happenings and he still got the team into the playoffs.
I believe there are a lot of question marks hanging over the fan base’s heads. Front office distractions are getting to the point of being despicable (the ownership trying to coax one last Pritch-slap in the draft?) In the modern era of big $ FAs and cash-dump trades and what have you the fans are used to maintaining a “core” of talent and then seeing their favorite players come and go. The offseason is a time for worryworts and one-sporters (I am both.)
As long as McMillan is given control of his team and a decent roster to work with I believe he will give us a team to be proud of.

































