No T-shirts PLEASE!
I watched almost no college basketball this year. As such I have almost no idea who the Blazers should draft. But I do know that any player that the Blazers should not draft a player who wore a t-shirt under their jersey in college. Why? Find out after the jump.
Last year in the build up to the draft I came to the conclusion that I didn't think that Johnny Flynn was a baller. Was it because he is 5'11? No. It was because of pictures similar to the one below:
I realized that because Johnny Flynn was wearing a t-shirt (or at least a t-shirt like undergarment) under his jersey, that my expectations for him as a professional player were lessened. Upon further review, I became convinced that players who wear t-shirts under their jersey in college generally have worse NBA careers than those that don't. Consider the following:
- 2007- JJ Redick and Adam Morrison were the darlings of the college basketball world during the 2006 season. They were on the cover SI together. They were both drafted in the first round. Since then JJ Redick has had a medicore career while Adam Morrison is seemingly on his way out of the league. Why? In their final college game, Morrison wore a t-shirt; Redick didn't.
- Prior to being drafted James Harden was thought by many to be similar to Brandon Roy. What they failed to consider is that Harden often wore t-shirts under his jersey in college while Roy never did. Roy was the Rookie of the Year and seems to be a lock for the All-Star game from here on out; Harden didn't even start a single game his rookie year.
- Hasheem Thabeet wore t-shirts in college. DeJuan Blair didn't. Blair's rookie year by any measure was superior.
- How many of the members of last year's All-NBA team (whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team) wore t-shirts in college (or high school if they didn't attend college)? As far as I can tell only Kobe Bryant, which seems to have been one of the first in a long history of fashion faux pas for him.
- Of the 3 players on the 2007 Florida Gators who were drafted in the top 10 in the draft, Al Horford was selected has been as an All-Star, Joakim Noah is playing at near an All-Star level and Corey Brewer has been, depending how you look at it, either a below average or an average player. Guess which one wore a t-shirt in college? You got it, Corey Brewer.
- And the list goes on.
Are there players that have beaten the Curse of the T-Shirt? Yes. Shaq and Jason Kidd were both part-time t-shirters in college while Larry Johnson and Marcus Camby both were full timers. Also notable are that both Alonzo Mourning and Dikembe Mutombo beat the curse, although a case could be made that they were only wearing t-shirts due to the tradition of Georgetown centers wearing t-shirts that was started by Patrick Ewing (of whom, by the way, could be said to have had a disappointing career). More recently players such as Ben Gordon, Eric Gordon (the jury is still out on him), Rajon Rondo was a part-timer, and Delonte West could be said to have potentially beaten the curse as well. So while it isn't a perfect test, there seems to be great value. The value in the t-shirt test largely seems to be in deciding between players of roughly equal quality. In other words, if the Mavericks had for some reason decided to trade the draft rights to Jason Kidd to the Blazers in 1994 for the draft rights to Aaron McKie+filler, the Blazers would have been crazy to turn that down, despite Jason Kidd being a part-time t-shirt wearer.
Now you may be asking yourself "What constitutes wearing a t-shirt? Many players wear something under their jerseys." The rule of thumb that I use is that if a player were to raise his hand, if you can see their armpit then they aren't wearing a t-shirt.
What does this mean for the Blazers this year? Based on the current mock draft at NBADraft.net the players that are within the range of the Blazers seem to be:
- Daniel Orton
- Luke Babbitt
- Larry Sanders
- Gordon Hayward
- Armon Johnson
- Solomon Alabi
- Damion James
- Lance Stephenson
Based on this list, the Blazers should not draft Daniel Orton, Gordon Hayward or Damion James. While they may become fine professional players, the odds are not in their favor due to them failing the t-shirt test.
Agree or disagree? Lets hear it in the comments.
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Uhhhh...Patrick Ewing?
He seemed to be an OK pro.
by parkinglotj on May 20, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So sorry
I thought I read the whole thing…I’ve already punished myself with 30 lashings.
by parkinglotj on May 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Ewing is a bit of an exception. With him, you could see a gigantic biceps and upper body through the shirt.
With most players wearing shirts, that is not the case.
I once heard (although have been able to find supporting evidence)
that during his freshman year that Ewing kept on getting a reoccuring cold due to playing in some drafty arenas. He started to wear the t-shirt to try and counter act this, and he got so comfortable wearing it that he never went back.
That said when people are saying this about you prior to the lottery for you draft rights:
We’ve had the Mikan era, the Russell era, the Kareem era … now we’ll have the Ewing era.
it is easy to see why Ewing could be considered to have had a great but still somewhat disappointing career
The first time I saw Ewing on the cover of a sport's magazine wearing the grey T-shirt under his uniform
My response was “ewww, what is up with that?”
or words to that effect
FWIW, Olden Polynice was credited as the first NBA player to wear “Bermudas” under his game shorts. Some guys need more “layers” to stay warm, I guess
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
even worse...
What about Mike Miller, who wears a t-shirt with only one sleeve? Is this so we can all see his lame tattoos? Or to compensate for some kind of balance issue? Or to help remember his right and left? No matter what, your research shows that he is not the answer to supplement our bench. Rec.
by unemployedreflection on May 20, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
Is it the t-shirt version of the mullet? Business on one side; party on the other.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Ash.
by Name's Ash on May 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Counterpoint: Evansville Aces wore these shirtseys (jerts?) up until the early 90s. These are sweet.

Bogus info: On researching this post I found out my favorite old player from Evansville raped a minor. :(
dinasour type of guys choir boys
You guys must be really, really bored to Rec this.
If you are that bored, maybe you should be spending your time looking at Internet p*rn.
by upper left corner on May 20, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
I think its funny and quirky. Like drafting dinosaurs. And not far less scientific than some of the other draft measurements.
Or attesting a player great second jump-ability and a ridiculous upside and a great motor.
Yeah, I particularly love that "great motor" thing
There’s scouting at it’s most modern & scientific.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
This is far better than talking about how much Jerryd sucks.
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As they say, there is no accounting for taste.
by upper left corner on May 20, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
and it’s also about as scientific and accurate as many of the other pieces we read that are presented as thoughtful analysis. I think this is definitely rec-worthy!
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on May 20, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Very fun read!
Thanks for posting. Interesting observations too. The t-shirts and the shorts that were as long as pants (from the late 90’s) have always irked me.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Allen Iverson was a t-shirt wearer also. While I think he’s one of the most overrated players of all time, he still clearly deserves a mention.

I disagree that Iverson was a t-shirter
to me, the defining line is whether or not your armpits are hidden if you raise your hand. To me it seems clear that in that outfit if AI were to raise his hand you would see his armpit, therefore he isn’t a t-shirter.
In retrospect, I realize that perhaps I could have called this this metric “the armpit test”, but that sounds much grosser than “the t-shirt test”
by tingeyga on May 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So being a full time cutoff t-shirt wearer is ok, while being a part time full t-shirt wearer a la Gordon Hayward (who did not wear a t-shirt during the recent NCAA tournament) is not. Interesting
How many of the players who beat the t-shirt curse had stopped wearing the t-shirt by the time of their entry into the NBA draft?
As far as I can tell players who beat the curse but wore t-shirts throughout their career include
Camby, Larry Johnson, Ben Gordon wore a t-shirt in his final college game, I can’t find any pictures of Eric Gordon not wearing a t-shirt under his Indiana jersey (which is odd because he seemingly didn’t wear a t-shirt in high school), Delonte West, Dikembe Mutombo, Alonzo Mourning.
Of the players listed in the main post to have beaten the curse only Shaq, Kidd and Rondo seem to have ditched the t-shirts prior leaving the college game. This might be an important finding as if you look at this page, you can see Joakim Noah wearing something that definitely doesn’t pass the test.
Wow! I don't even recognize him w/o the tats.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on May 20, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Did Oden ever wear a t-shirt?
Has there been any in depth research on t-shirts and injuries?
"It's a team game." Please, feel free to factor that into your statistical analysis!
Somebody needs to take this stuff seriously and get the information out there
before the draft!
"It's a team game." Please, feel free to factor that into your statistical analysis!
by KINGofMACct on May 20, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No...!
"It's a team game." Please, feel free to factor that into your statistical analysis!
by KINGofMACct on May 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I once saw Oden's knee wearing a shirt
Draft Gordon Hayward
by In Walks Rudy on May 20, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
or it could be
because the stache sucks, while reddick is somewhat decent. and harden is a decent player while Roy is a beast…..BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rec.
This is excellent research. Please e-mail this to the front office for their draft preparations.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
Okay, I know this is supposed to be silly, but:
uh, so t-shirts are bad. Except for this fairly long list of people who wore them who are superstars.
And a t-shirt wearing Johnny Flynn is mediocre. But a non-t-shirt wearing JJ Redick is also mediocre. Except that’s okay, because with the t-shirt, he apparently would have been as bad as Adam Morrison.
I think you didn’t research this quite right.
And the jury IS out on Eric Gordon
The kid is real good.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 21, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t it be easier to just tell all of us why you REALLY don’t like college players wearing t-shirts? I challenge that you’re analysis of t-shirt wearing college players being busts is a coverup for something else you REALLY want to say. But as others have pointed out, I don’t see a correlation at all. Some of the greatest players of all time wore t-shirts under their jerseys in college. Why does it annoy you? Another question. Do you have even the slightest idea why some of them DO wear t-shirts under their jerseys? I challenge that it’s not to make a fashion statement.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
whoah.
Are you insinuating that they’re gay?
I don’t like that kind of tone.
Straight people wear t shirts too.
And gay people can be good at basketball. I think you’re way out of line by even bringing that up.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
When Bayless wears short sleeve shirts they're long sleeve.
Draft Gordon Hayward
by In Walks Rudy on May 20, 2010 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Fat shy girl?
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by randommanthefirst on May 22, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This is just !@#%$ up.
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
good read...i have long felt the same way
hard for me to root anyone who wears a t shirt underneath.
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