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Media Row Report Game 3: Blazers 89, Suns 108

Maybe next year.  

That was the overwhelming sensation for many tonight as the Phoenix Suns systematically demolished the Portland Trail Blazers 108-89 in the Rose Garden.  The night started with smoke -- machines pumped white clouds to enhance the atmosphere during player introductions -- but it ended with fire, thanks to a career night from guard Jason Richardson, who pumped in 42 points and helped Phoenix regain homecourt advantage and take a 2-1 series lead.

To call this game an emotional rollercoaster wouldn't quite be accurate.  It was more like skydiving with a busted parachute.  Freefall for the first 35,000 feet until a miraculous soft landing at the top of a 200 foot tree.  And then two wide open fourth quarter Jason Richardson three pointers snapped the tree's branches, causing the Blazers, and their fans' hopes, to plummet violently to the ground.  

Indeed the post-game interviews had a distinct post-mortem vibe.  Jason, how did it feel to kill them?  Nate, how did they kill you? Alvin, how much did you enjoy watching Jason kill them?  Who knows.  Maybe I watch too many episodes of The First 48.

Whether Jason Richardson -- in going 13 of 19 from the field and 8 of 12 from deep for a playoff career high 42 points -- dealt the death blow to the Blazers' 2009-2010 season remains to be seen.  But in the way the Blazers absolutely folded under pressure, in the boos that came down as the deficit hit 25 points in the second quarter and in the voice of Nate McMillan afterwards, a man who sounded like he trying to convince himself that his team was only down and not out, it's hard to imagine a scenario where this doesn't end badly, and abruptly, for Portland.    

"The second half, we won that," Nate McMillan said afterwards, in a mesmerizing display of straw grasping. "We started to play basketball, we started to fight. We won both of those quarters. Somehow we got to get that fight, that scrappiness at the start of the game."  The relentless motivator, the unbending optimist had nothing besides a solid but not nearly enough late 3rd and early 4th quarter push to build off of.  It was 34 to 16 after one; 66 to 37 at the half; a 31 point Phoenix lead at one point; a wire to wire loss. Phoenix's effortless scoring and intense defense steamrolled his threadbare roster.  His top two answers -- LaMarcus Aldridge and Andre Miller -- continued to be questions, rendered impotent by early foul trouble and smart defensive schemes, respectively.  

But this was Richardson's night.  On Tuesday I presented the following picture, which does a great job of simply showing how the Blazers have handled Phoenix's pick and rolls.  

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Accompanying the photo, I wrote...

Steve Nash and Amar'e Stoudemire attempt to run a pick and roll but the Blazers "load up" by sending three defenders to the general area... Nash makes the smart, simple read: pass the ball around the perimeter to the weakside and attempt to take advantage of the (eventual) open man in the corner.  The Blazers are telling the Suns here: We really don't want you to run the pick and roll cleanly so we will risk playing 3 on 2 with your shooters.  

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There are three possible reasons you would expose yourself to that risk on the weakside: 1) You really respect Stoudemire in the pick and roll 2) You really respect Nash in the pick and roll and 3) You don't totally respect at least one of Phoenix's shooters.  In this case, it was a combination of all 3.  Their plan was to let Hill (or whoever is in the corner) have the shot on the weakside until that produces enough points to force the Blazers to respect him.  On Sunday, Hill, Jason Richardson, Goran Dragic and Jared Dudley combined for 9-33 shooting.  That's not going to get it done.  Why wouldn't you load up against Nash and Stoudemire if those are the results?

Jason Richardson's play answered that rhetorical question with a rhetorical question of its own: When are you guys going to start guarding me? The answer from the Blazers: not tonight.  Time and again the Suns found themselves in this situation; time and again they effortlessly rotated the ball to the corner, making the smart and simple read, feeding a ready-to-fire Richardson; time and again he delivered.  It's the play the Blazers defense is drawn up to allow.  It's the play the Suns offense proved, emphatically, that they can run.  

"They've done a good job of taking Amar'e's game away from him on the rolls," Alvin Gentry explained. "In order to do that, you have to have an extra defender and we've done a good job of swinging the ball and finding Jason. Obviously he's in a good groove shooting the basketball right now."

Gentry singled out Channing Frye for praise, as the sharp-shooting center lined up at the angle and drew the attention from Portland's rotating defenders that freed Richardson.  "If we swing it to Channing they either rotate to him or they gotta play halfway [between him and the corner]. Channing did a good job of swinging the ball immediately to J. Rich and J. Rich hit the open shots."

Did he ever.  I joked during the game that the Synergy Sports breakdown of Richardson's night would need to specify whether his shots were "open jumpers," "wide open jumpers" or "wide wide open jumpers" because there were so many and they came in such rapid succession. "I think it's my best game as a pro," Richardson said, with ice packs on his knees and a smile on his face. "9 years in the league, only been in the playoffs twice, spent 7 summers at home."

Summer.  It's a curse word for NBA players this time of year. Tonight was a big step in that direction for the Blazers.

Random Game Notes

  • Courtside seats watch. I finally got a good shot of Kevin Pritchard standing in the locker room tunnel while Paul Allen, Lady Friend, Larry Miller (not pictured off to the left) and Bert Kolde (Vulcan Flunky #1A) enjoy the courtside seats. Full size version here.

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  • As for Nicolas Batum even before the re-injury tonight his shoulder wasn't looking all that great.  During warmups, his max shooting range was about 17 feet and he spent a fair bit of time grimacing and fiddling with his shoulder sleeve.  The sleeve, as you might remember, is most famous for helping him avoid overcocking during violent dunk attempts.  He had a nice dunk tonight before he left the court due to injury.  Full update on Batum's health from practice Friday.
  • Monty Williams ran interference for Batum as an out-of-town media member attempted to get a health update before the game.  "You know he can't tell you," Williams said. Always thinking, that Monty, always thinking.
  • Spike Lee attended tonight's game. He left early, although not nearly as early as you might have expected (around the 4 minute mark in the 4th quarter).
  • Can't even lie to you. I was at the Rose Garden like 439 hours before game time because I was too geeked up to be anywhere else.  I slept in an RG electrical closet for the last week in anticipation.  I was glad to see that I was not alone in my eagerness: The first Phoenix Sun on the court this afternoon, roughly 2.5 hours before tip, was none other than Thunder Dan Majerle, who spent the better part of an hour waiting for some Suns players to take the court for warmups.  During his downtime he got up some jumpers.  What else?
  • Heard an incredible story before the game about a young lady who spent a harrowing weekend in the hospital yet couldn't be pulled away from her courtside seats tonight.  I wish her loyalty and perseverance had been better rewarded.
  • The only positive thing I can say about Rudy Fernandez is that he didn't flash his three point sign after hitting one of his four meaningless three pointers in the second half. That proved he has a clue, which has been in doubt throughout this series. 
  • Scapegoating Fernandez and/or Aldridge isn't all that productive so I'll avoid piling on so soon after an emotional loss. But, in sum, Rudy displays next-to-zero investment in this team and situation. What's that old Pritchardism about adversity revealing character?
  • As for Aldridge he displays all the tell-tale signs of being overwhelmed.  His shot isn't there, the turnovers are, the smart/hustle plays he has made in the past are fewer and farther between, and he doesn't have very specific or convincing answers when he tries to explain what's going wrong.  Aldridge's intelligence and basketball intelligence, generally speaking, are underrated.  But right now it's clear he doesn't know the answers to Phoenix's defense. He doesn't anticipate what is coming. He doesn't assert himself with confidence.  He's simply overwhelmed. At times during last year's playoffs Brandon Roy was clearly overwhelmed too.  This isn't just an Aldridge thing. That's a problem.
  • Game 2 was a classic letdown game for Portland and a must-win for Phoenix; Switch the roles for Game 4 on Saturday.  The Blazers don't deal well with being embarrassed.  It's human nature to let up a little bit after so dishing out such a thorough stomping.  As Alvin Gentry said after the game, "If you think [the Blazers] will quit, you don't know Nate." That said, the disparity in firepower seems to increase by the game.
  • Earlier Thursday, KP2 found a very small town newspaper account of a man, who also happened to be named Kevin Pelton, committing a ridiculous break-in crime. Of course, given his recent criminal history, I thought it was hilarious and linked it.  KP2 discovered during the game that traffic from BE apparently crashed the newspaper's website.  He was strangely overjoyed by this.  

Nate McMillan's Post-Game Comments

First quarter

The first quarters have really decided the game. It seems like both quarters were the same. LA, LaMarcus is in foul trouble. We have to go to our bench, they get off to a fast start. We give up 30 point quarters. The first half is basically just like the last game. Emotionally right now we are not controlling our emotions. Being able to play at this level without being calm out there. It's going to be a physical game. They're going to be aggressive. I felt like, especially tonight, we talk about our 3 C's: being calm and being clear about what we want to do and being consistent. That hasn't happened in these last two games. 

Andre Miller

Well, it's put a lot of pressure on other guys to have to do some things when L.A. has been in foul trouble early in the first quarter and they've got size on Hill, so we've had to, we've been in holes the first half with foul trouble and basically them loading up and trying to take out LaMarcus and Miller and we've struggled to get other guys going. We can't get in foul trouble, one, and two, our other guys have got to make plays. When they get their opportunities, we're going to have to knock down some shots because what they're doing is double teaming LaMarcus pretty much on catch and Miller, they're sending a crowd to him, his pick and rolls and his post ups.

This wasn't what you were looking for?

Tonight we just seemed tight. I thought the first half we just seemed to be a little tight, maybe put some pressure on ourselves and look like the first the game. The second half we won that. We started to play basketball, we started to fight. We won both of those quarters. Somehow we got to get that fight, that scrappiness at the start of the game.

Nicolas: His status and what was it like missing him?

I haven't checked with Jay. We just knew that he wasn't going to be coming back tonight. Of course you're down another guy and we're without already without a guy. Still we played the second half without Nic. We played the way we've got to play this game. With fight, you gotta battle. You gotta get up into these guys and guard them. We won the second half. That was something that we needed to take into the game on Saturday. That we did win the second half. We've beaten this team before. We can do it. But we can't start the way we have the last two games.

You make a run; Richardson hits a three

That's the calmness I'm talking about. I thought the first half we didn't show any calmness and the second half we fought our way back into the game, we get into 11 with about 5 or 6 minutes to go, and we fouled 3 straight trips. Put them on the free throw line. Again it was an emotional foul as opposed to position defense we just hit a guy and bailed him out. That's where you gotta be able to calm down in situations like that and understand time/score situations. You're down 11, you made a run, 6 minutes to go, a lot of time, get a stop, make them earn it, but don't put them on the free throw line. They're a great free throw shooting team.

Rudy hits 3s at end.  Is that the aggressiveness you're talking about?

I thought all of our guys, once we got down, we relaxed then. We just started to play. He was moving and running around and getting himself open and shooting the ball, which is what he's gotta do out there. He's very capable, we set some screens for him, a lot of that was just Rudy moving and letting it fly. Being aggressive, looking to be aggressive. Again it just looked like we started to relax when we were down big as opposed to the start of the game, we looked really tight out there.

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Game 1 an undermanned team played over its head. Games 2 & 3 reality set in.

I have no idea what anyone thinks who imagines the Blazers can win without Roy and now without Batum. Rudy has shown nothing, he’s not NBA starter material, and while it’s nice if Martell hits a shot or two, he’s not a first-string player either. He still seems like a child — whereas some of the young pros out of high school are already men.

This is not going anywhere. This season is over.

ignacio

by ignacio on Apr 23, 2010 1:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate to say it, but...

I think that the team’s agree with you on the “The season is over” part. The team is sure playing like it. Its almost as if once they heard Brandon could come back, they packed it in. I mean, if he’s going to come back, they just have to hold down the fort until then. And by “hold down the fort” they mean just make sure when he gets back theres the opportunity for an amazing series come-back. Because playing like you’re stoked for the off-season is a great way to keep your fans happy.

My sign for Saturday: “I can’t wait for the offseason either.”

Look Ma! I got a rec!

by Jeremiah S on Apr 23, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

That game was so frustrating...

I was there, paid 60 dollars of my quickly disappearing money, and got to watch my team quit. It was pathetic. At halftime, I said to myself: “Wow. We got blown out in Phoenix for game 2. Lost by 29 points… I don’t like where this is heading.” Then I looked up at the scoreboard. And we down 29 points. I almost got up and found the nearest usher to lodge a complaint and ask where I could get my money back.

It was utterly pathetic. The only hustle I saw was really from Dante and Martell. I mean, Lamarcus hustled to the corner every time he saw a double team. But, other that, he obviously can’t handle the burden placed on him. Nic didn’t look right from the outset, whatever happened sucks.

Rudy. Rudy. Rudy. I used to think you were awesome. I hate you now. If there is a such thing, I think Rudy is a fair-weather player. Who else do I feel like hating on?… Can’t hate on Marcus because he isn’t a god, it isn’t his job to fix everyone’s mistakes. Can’t hate on Juwan Howard for being too old to contain Amare, or anyone else. Can hate on Andre Miller though. Another guy who for all he’s done for us, is letting the pressure get to him. He just isn’t able to break the double team like he had been, and when they throw a little full-court pressure on, he goes and kicks the ball out of bounds.

I’m legitimately pissed. I really am. If this happens again Saturday, I might have to check myself into an Anger Management clinic before I lose my mind and start raging on stuff.

Now, the big question of the day: How can we fix it? First and foremost, maybe guard Richardson. Stick Martell, or Nic (if he comes back) on him. Who cares if Steve Nash is the best playmaker on this team. He’s been a pass-first point these last 2 games. And look how thats turned out for us. I’m ok with how they’re playing Amare. He didn’t look good today.

Another big thing… I dunno… maybe grow a pair? We are trying to play a finesse game with a bunch of guys who look like they’ve mastered finesse enough to be on Dancing with the Stars. Maybe if we pound them, they wouldn’t have as easy of a time. I mean, shit. I don’t care if we pick up a couple offensive fouls here, or an off-the-ball foul there. Hell, gimme a flagrant once too. Just pound them. Let them know that we’re not going to sit back and let them beat us.

To finish: Grrrrrrr.

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by Jeremiah S on Apr 23, 2010 1:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Shh shh shh shh

Momma’ll stroke your hair and make you soup and whisper nice things in your ear. It’ll be ok. It’s alllll be ooooook.

Seriously though, I know how you feel. I was thinking about how pissed the fans who went to the game must be that they were paying to watch their favorite team surrender.

by thetsaiguy on Apr 23, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fortunately, I was not at the game

because I live on the east coast. Unfortunately, I recorded the game and got my butt out of bed at 4 AM this morning to watch it.

It was completely evident that the Blazers were playing without energy or passion last night. Only Rudy seemed to have any fire in the first quarter, until he picked up a couple cheap fouls.

Frankly, I think this has to fall on the coach. I know the players are the ones out there, but the coach needs to find the schemes and make the adjustments to the opponent’s strategies. It is his job to prepare his team for the game, not just strategically, but physically and mentally and emotionally. He has completely failed on these accounts the last two games.

Sometimes I wonder if he is watching the same games as us.

“(W)hat they’re doing is double teaming LaMarcus pretty much on catch….” No they’re not. The Suns are allowing LaMarcus to catch the ball, and sending the double team when he starts his move. The problem is that Aldridge has become so tentative, it takes him several moments to initiate, thus allowing the Suns to set their defense and run the double team.

“We won the second half.” Really? You lost by 20. It looked to me like the Suns eased up. They gave you the second half. Everytime you got a run, they had an answer. You were completely incapable of getting a stop when you needed one. You got within 11. Get that next stop, and the game changes psychologically. Didn’t happen.

The three C’s? Calm, clear, and consistent? Are you kidding? What this team needs is for someone to light a fire under them. After game two, you should have send the post-game buffet across the room. After this game, there needed to be some serious screaming and yelling in the locker room. Someone needs to challenge these players, and dare them to succeed.

If you think “the three C’s” are all you need, if you think you won the second half, then this season is over. Don’t even bother showing up on Saturday.

by hercher on Apr 23, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest,

I’m kinda glad the season is nearing its end. Blazer Nation and the team is tired from the emotional rollercoaster that it has had to ride this past year. We need time off for recovery after this one. Judgements are clouded by the pain of loss. A month from now, I’ll be ready to look at what we should do to improve the team. Here’s hoping our guys go out in a bang.

Only one team wins the last game of the post-season.

"If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season" - jksnake99

"...black on black. my favorite!" - portlandgiirl91

by fajunga on Apr 23, 2010 2:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with needing a break

but these guys quit in the first half.

The crowd did not even grumble about officiating much, which was bad in the 1st qtr, because the team was simply THAT bad out there.Martell, Cunningham and Bayless are the only ones that appeared to have any fire in the belly (miller always looks the same so it is hard to judge him).

Rudy refused to consider taking a shot after drawing an offensive foul on the first drive of the game…

LaMarcus needs to stop waiting on the double team. Phoenix has scouted you out, they know you hold the ball until the double comes, they moved it in slowly, blocking your passing lane everytime forcing you into the corner or making a tough pass late in the shot clock. Catch the ball, make your decision and do it is the only way to beat what they are doing to you right now. Think more about what you want to do rather than what they are going to do to you.

Bayless, I liked your energy and your offense, but right before you picked up your 5th foul and got pulled from the game your last 2 plays were 19 ft jumpers early in the shot clock. We made what gains we did by getting to the reack, don’t stop doing that for a low percentage shot. I get the need to hit jumpers, but pulling the trigger on those was just plain bad decision making.

Camby looked like his mobility was down, batum was injured.

On the officiating, as I noted before it was not good in the first qtr. the most outrageous call however was in our favor. Juwan practically could have body slammed Amare the way he had him wrapped up and flung him out of bounds and the ref called Amare for a travel? That was THE WORST CALL OF THE SERIES…horrible officiating,

My frustration with this game and most of our home losses this season has been that essentially it looks like this team gives up. That was what was so frustrating about last night. I remember our stretch run in 08 – 09…the losses we had were tough outs time and again.

Other than the dallas game, our home losses have been largely bad losses

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Apr 23, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

If im Paul Allen I am thinking either Nate or Pritch are gone.

Cause either all these supposed great moves pritchard has made really were not that great or Nate is ruining and or not able to make effective these great talents.

Then again all these injuries may just be the saving grace for at least nate.

by tevisthe4th on Apr 23, 2010 2:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Oden, Przy, Batum, Roy

being injured has more to do with the way the series has gone than anything Pritchard or McMillan can do.

In fact, Pritchard went out and got Camby which revived the team. So because Rudy (who we got for cash) isn’t necessarily living up to the unrealistic expectations put on a #24 pick or because Aldridge (who we traded Tyrus Thomas for) can’t carry a team by himself…because of that, Pritchard’s moves or McMillan’s coaching have failed?

Come on, tevis, you’re smarter than that.

Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob

by jamon51 on Apr 23, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

seemed like lack of effort and preparedness problem these last two games to me

those things are generally considered somebodies responsibility. Generally speaking.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im just saying that is something that Paul Allen is probably considering.

getting blown out by 30 points in the first half should never happen to any team in the playoffs, especially on their homecourt and especially after they just got blown out the game before.

Lol LMA carry a team? He aint even carrying himself.

I love the moves that Pritchard has made, he is the man. in my statement I meant to convey that In Paul’s eyes that he is probably considering getting rid of one of these guys based on that reasoning.

What does come on tevis you’re smarter than that even mean? Sounds kind of patronizing as you don’t know me and have no Idea if Im smarter than that at all.

by tevisthe4th on Apr 23, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first time J-rich went to the air

Oden would have plucked him down. Because he CAN.

Just sayin’

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Apr 23, 2010 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty glum in here.

Was I the only Suns fan a little concerned? Maybe it’s partially due to how damn loud you guys are on your court but, sitting in my chair with my eyes glued to the screen, I felt a little tense when things were teetering on a single digit lead late in the 4th. It wouldn’t be the first time my team went into a defensive coma and let the other team drop 35 on them in one quarter.

But hey, if you guys wanna mope, then spread the word on to your players and let’s get this over with and put you out of your misery. Otherwise, tell them to get gritty, because that’s sure as hell what we’re gonna do when you enter our house next week.

This is the playoffs; it’s something earned, if you’re still here. And this is a Suns fan telling you to stop being gloomy, and start getting pissed and ice-cold determined, because that’s what we’d be doing if we were in your position.

And if (when?) we take it away from you, let it be known that we’re more than willing to let this rivalry blossom into something fiercely entertaining in the next season.

by Nova1989 on Apr 23, 2010 2:41 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I respect this Suns fan

more than all the lame fair weather Blazer fans who have commented so far above. stop moping, it’s pathetic. be proud of what the Blazers have accomplished, and show a little faith in the team for the remaining series.

i heard the Suns fans couldn’t fill the stadium for the first 2 games…
at least they didn’t boo their team on their own floor.

sad, sad fairweather fans.

I’m proud of the way this team has played and shown up, yet I’m growing more and more disgusted with some members of the fanbase.

Elitism - It's lonely at the top. But it's comforting to look down upon everyone at the bottom.

by thankyouforblaze on Apr 23, 2010 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fairweather fans are still fans bro.

I’m tired. Ready to rest. I can’t keep fightin the good fight forever. Been doin it all year and did it all night tonight but in the end, it aint gonna change the fact that some fans are bound and determined to find the bad in a good thing.

I’m tired.

"If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season" - jksnake99

"...black on black. my favorite!" - portlandgiirl91

by fajunga on Apr 23, 2010 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

it is the fairweather fan that can dismiss these last two games so readily

it is the invested fan that is most discouraged. LACK OF EFFORT is not something most serious fans are willing to support. Trying to make up for being TOTALLY UNPREPARED TO PLAY AT THE TIP OFF OF A PLAYOFF GAME in the second half is beyond discouraging. To be that UMPREPARED 2 PLAYOFF GAMES IN A ROW is nearly inexcusable.

I was so angry in the 1st qtr last night I could not speak, let alone cheer for a while. Literally angry beyond words.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Apr 23, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fans are ready, the team is not. If we gutted out a tough one, Aldridge played hard, and we lost 99-103 I think we’d all be feeling good. If we played well, put on a good show, and it looked like the team cared and was growing towards being strong next year this vibe would be different. Instead we just rolled over two games in a row, like the guys on the court have already given up or don’t know what they are playing for.

Personally I think it’s even harder tonight to look at the injury list and see Roy and Oden there, to see everything we need to compete already there on the roster. It’s just one more year of watching the playoffs and wondering how our “full” team would stack up if we actually got them all on the court together when it counts.

by JonathanPDX on Apr 23, 2010 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

suns fan here as well, never thought i’d be reading these things on bedge..stay up guys, I was scared as hell in that third quarter, tough couple off losses and it probably don’t mean too much coming from me, but all things considered, I think you have alot to be proud of with this team

p.s. this isn’t passive aggressive “I know my team is gonna win so i’ll be nice” bullshit, you can still make this a hell of a series, stay up guys, you’re too good of fans to give up.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's already hard to hate you guys

Quit making it harder.

Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob

by jamon51 on Apr 23, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

sorry

u suck. phoenix is duh beast team everrrr11

better?

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I will be the first to say that I don't care much for their fans.

You should see the things they posted on their site after game one, pretty nasty if you ask me, something about pissing on our graves. Now it’s all love and what not after they win a couple games in a row, typical.

by JmarcL4 on Apr 23, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea

im thoroughly frustrated with you right now, per your previous malicious comment calling me a homer. I clearly stated that it’s not passive aggressive, and suns fans, in most cases, are not as nasty as the ones you may have seen on bsots. If you were not referring to me specifically, then I apologize.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with being called a homer, I get that all the time? It's not like I was calling you a dirty name, maybe you took that a little too serious.

As for hate spewing Suns fan I never lumped you into that category, I was just pointing to the fact that there was a lot of nasty things said on your site and I know a post like that wouldn’t even make it to the recommended fanpost on here. Either way my team just got wrecked the last two games and of course I’m a little on edge, no pun intended.

by JmarcL4 on Apr 23, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

no worries

i’m still pretty convinced they’ll make a good series of it.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

we got mad like this after Game 1 against Houston last year

they came out unprepared and just got levelled by Houston. Inexcusable. They fought hard the rest of the series and no matter the score of the remaining games it was obvious they gave their all.

there are 2 things working against them this year:

1. they learned how they have to come out to have a chance in Game 1 last year.
2. thwe know they can beat Phoenix, and to play 2 games in a row where you get run off the court before the game has barely gotten started…whew…I still mostly don’t know what to say…

If you can not walk on to the floor and at least APPEAR to try to stay in the game then people that invest a lot of energy and emotion into supporting you are going to be angry and disappointed.

We are still supportive, just angry and disappointed. I doubt you will find another arena in the NBA that would have been as loud as we were in the 2nd half last night after what had happened in the first.

We are still behind these guys 100%. (although I fear Rudy has been abandoned completely by most bedgers)

That does not mean we are happy with them right now…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Apr 23, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

ill give you one thing

it was freakin loud there last night.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't believe it took a fan from the OPPOSING TEAM to say the first rational thing in this string of posts.

Let’s dog on the team for giving up, and then give up on them ourselves. I understand frustration, it is so hard to sit back and watch your team crumble, but the way the blazers played in the second half is something they can build off of. Now we’re in the same position the Suns were in going into game 2. Let’s support our team until the very end of this series. Let’s hope the very end is a victory in game 7!

by nnz0122 on Apr 23, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good call bro

Yeah and when your all star and starting center and best defensive player go down talk to me.

by JmarcL4 on Apr 23, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

A repost from Barratt’s blog

It seems to me when the Blazers had one bad game doing the regular season; it was most often followed by the second. These two losses is really the “same OL”-same OL". This trend is usually followed by a relatively good run because of resiliency and quick learning. That to me is where our hope is.

I sure hope Amore~ gets at the least a fine for what he did. When you have a team on the ropes, it is true you don’t let them off the rope, but you don’t start dirty tactics just for the fun of it either.

As Dave said on Blazers edge, with winning the first game at Phoenix, nothing really changed. We are still the underdogs and we still have to play above our heads just to have a chance.

It seems like we are playing bad defense, but to me it really the lack of fire power and offensive weapons that has us against the ropes. It is like being in a pit with a rattlesnake, you can dodge quite a few strikes, but without any weapons to muster up a offense, (like a big rock on Amore’s head) you will finally be unsuccessful in combating the determined snake.

I said that no team could beat the Blazers, it is the matter of the Trailblazers beating themselves. This is still true in some respect, Gentry said, "After watching game film on Portland’s defense, he inserted the same weak side help D that Portland used against them. And that is the success of the last two games".

I am sad and I am hurt, but I haven’t given up hope and nothing has been decided. I will stay on the bandwagon and yell until the final bell has ringed.

hg

by BBK on Apr 23, 2010 4:48 AM PDT reply actions  

"no team can beat the Blazers"?

Then they must really like beating themselves (though I don’t really understand what that phrase means).

by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 6:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was meant that the suns used the Trailblazers exact defense against them, Plus

I think it was more of what Portland didn’t do then it was what the suns did. Rudy’s lack of shooting and scoring was a result of Rudy, not anything the Suns did. LMA got two quick fouls that took him out of the game. that was against PTB not anything the Suns did. This is just IMO.

hg

by BBK on Apr 23, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont like this
I sure hope Amore~ gets at the least a fine for what he did. When you have a team on the ropes, it is true you don’t let them off the rope, but you don’t start dirty tactics just for the fun of it either.

It was getting damn chippy out there last night, your guys did some things, obviously our guys did some things, but I thought it was pretty lame how your announcers kept saying “blah blah blah precedent blah blah blah elbow” it wasn’t even close to the same situation as garnett not matter what some people want to convince themselves of. I did see the clip where it appeared as though stat kind of threw himself into batum’s shoulder, I’ll admit that it looked intentional, I also admit that I don’t think it probably was…but you never know i suppose…if it was intentional he should be ashamed.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't like Barrett's going on about it either

…but we don’t have another guy to fall back on if that elbow lands. We’re down to two scorers right now. We can’t afford to let Amare drop one of them with an angry elbow.

Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob

by jamon51 on Apr 23, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

but he didn’t, if he’d have connected i think suspension no question, i think the dirty little “bump” on batum’s bad wing warrants more of an investigation than the elbow.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Soo......

You’re saying if he threw a punch at his face and didn’t connect there wouldn’t be repercussions? Obvious homer opinion from Suns fan.

by JmarcL4 on Apr 23, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok

hey read-too-much-into-it-guy, elbows are used in the game of basketball would you agree? Would you even say that it is possible to swing your elbow inadvertently during a contest of athletic skill such as basketball? I think it might be, though I wanted to ask you first before i came to such a conclusion.

You’re obviously a genius so I’m sure this all goes without saying, but in my humble opinion, I think that if he threw a punch at his face and didn’t connect, there would most certainly be repercussions.

I would like to thank you for your insightful and educated comment to my comment.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Blazers

When Phoenix double teams one of you, there’s an open man. See, they have 5 guys on the court just like you. If two of them close on one of you, that leaves 4 Blazers and 3 Suns somewhere off the ball. Someone is open. Find him.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"

by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 5:53 AM PDT reply actions  

and .....

the best way to beat a double-team is to cut to the hoop.

Everybody wants to beat up on Aldridge, but a complete lack of effective ball movement so that he has somebody in a good position to score is a coaching problem.

Thanks for all the good times Nate, but you are not what this team needs to move ahead.

by ralphzillo on Apr 23, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phoenix has scouted us

The problem with our post play for aldridge is fundamentally a problem with design in my opinion.

We essentially enter the ball to the post and then clear out. This works great for LMA typically, because he is patient and he can shoot over the defender. He will wait and see where the defenisve guy is and then make his move or pass out. If he gets doubles early he can pass out more quickly. Phoenix sort of brought the double team in slowly. they waited for the guard to clear that side of the court and the double would come directly down the passing lane. No one is on his side of the floor for LaMarcus to outlet too.
Two things happen here if he doesn’t force a tough shot up. 1. he turns the ball over or 2. he gets forced into the corner. Either scenario is bad and the 2nd should be a bit humiliatiting for a big strong kid like Aldrdige.

I really do not like all of the post ISO and Roy ISO we run as a team and this is why. It can work but if a team gets hot and gets a hold of a way to stop it we are in real trouble. A better system involves entering a pass to the post and then having the option of the pitch back out if you don’t have position. With the clear out, there is no piutch back out available and what happened last night can happen routinely.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did anybody else have a foreboding feeling

when Andre Miller mistakenly came out while Mark Madon was introducing Rudy? (no one came out then when Miller’s name was announced).

If they have trouble with that, they’re going to have trouble with Nash and Friends.

I think. Or not?

by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 6:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Ahh Blazer's Edge, Blazer's Edge

First off that was an embarassing and pathetic performance in every sense of the word. I’m sure for the four people who reamined watching, the second half was great. Meanwhile the game was over 10 minutes in.

Poor effort all-around…again.

Nate completely outcoached…again.

LMA, who’s salary will be $12 mil next season, looking like a little kid….again.

I’m sure a lot of excuses will be thrown around, the refs, injuries, the team was tired, blah blah but the fact remains this team is on track for another first round humilation.

And next year you’re hoping two tier 2 superstar with torn up knees and a bunch of other chronically hurt players will suddenly miraculously stay healthy and learn how to play basketball. Dynasty? Heck, I’d be happy with a couple of WCF appearances at this point.

Now you can scream at me in a frothy-mouthed rage for keeping it real, and I’m sure some of you will, or you can shake yourselves and start asking some hard questions about Nate and the core of this team.

P.S. I’d like to apologize to any fan who bought a playoff ticket to last night’s game. The Blazer franchise won’t apologize, and the players won’t apologize…but someone should.

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Apr 23, 2010 6:50 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And don't forget....

All the sports radio and TV guys saying that we just need to stay positive and really boost the team with extreme fandom.

HA, HA – the sports guys are as clueless as the Blazer coaching staff.

KP is gone for sure – can we please now get rid of Nate too?

by ralphzillo on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

because anyone expected us to win this series without Roy and especially now with an injured Batum? Yeah, they are so gone (rolling my eyes)

by Billy Hoyle on Apr 23, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec

Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob

by jamon51 on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

do you really think KP is still here?

I suppose the fact that he no longer sits with Paul is so Paul’s escort for the night has a seat?

by ralphzillo on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly why

I switched over to the OKC-LAL game.

It was good to see a bunch of young players show up and play hard and the coach have a plan, and imagine, they won a game they should not have.

No excuses for the injuries either. You play with who you got (at least that is what I’ve heard over and over all year, so lack of effort cannot be tolerated.)

Btw, the guy OKC got at #2 in the draft is way better than the guy we got from chi at #2.

"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks

by DucRider on Apr 23, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

no excuses for injuries?

Tell that to last years Celtics, or Spurs, or Suns, or the Bucks this year. Who’s hurt on OKC again? Who’s hurt for Phoenix right now?

Injuries are a perfectly valid excuse for a team to come up short

by Billy Hoyle on Apr 23, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

except that

they were 32-19 (.627) with Lopez this year, 20-5 (.800) without

by Billy Hoyle on Apr 23, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last year's Celts and Spurs and this year's Bucks

might have had trouble getting Ws in the postseason (although the Celts went to the second round and took the Magic to 7 so I don’t even know why they’re on this list), but I don’t recall them rolling over and showing their bellies while pissing themselves either. I recall them playing hard despite the injuries and making their fans proud to see their bench guys leave their hearts on the court.

by howlingfantods on Apr 23, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

as far as results, not effort

"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks

by DucRider on Apr 23, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next year will be even better for the Blazers. Everyone returns from injury so the Blazers should have a full team next year.

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Apr 23, 2010 7:38 AM PDT reply actions  

see leeroy's post above

for a realistic take on injuries.

"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks

by DucRider on Apr 23, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey

I don’t mind the Blazers losing the series considering they are missing their all star and now I guess probably also their wing defender (haven’t checked the latest news on Nick)

But I think what we’ve seen in these last couple games is that their problems run a lot deeper than that.

On the other hand, there were a few positive things too- Bayless showed a lot more spunk than he has for some time, Martell showed a lot more inside game than I have seen from him before, Dante looked good for what limited playing time he was in there.

I think the Blazers have the ingredients to become an awesome team, but it won’t come easy, there are a whole lot of things they are going to have to work on, which probably includes trading a player or two.

Here are a few things I think probably belong on the priority list:

1). Trade Rudy. I know he will probably play a lot better in coming years and his trade value is probably pretty low right now but he’s a round peg in a square hole so just bite the bullet and unload him for whatever scrap value you can get.

2). Get Bayless to work on his jump shot. I don’t care if he winds up in the role of point guard or a shooting guard, if you are going to be a guard in the NBA, being able to drive to the rim is not enough of an arsenal on offense, you need a jump shot. Andre is a good example, not everyone has to be able to make the 3 pointer but at least have a midrange jump shot. In the case of Bayless though I think he ought to be able to become a good 3 point shooter. Between Arizona and Portland, Bayless ought to be able to look up Channing Frye this summer and see if he can give him any advice.

3). Help Dante develop with the expectation that he will become someone they are going to be relying on at the forward position. The guy has the physical skills and the motivation to be a fine NBA forward.

4). They should try to develop Pendy and Mills’ game over the summer as well, but if one or both of them develops a solid game that is gravy, they have plenty of players without those guys so long as the other guys deliver.

by lsjogren on Apr 23, 2010 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I think if bayless would just calm down a bit

he’d be one hell of a player, every time i see him on the court he’s either running ten thousand miles an hour into someone else and getting a foul, bitching about something to the ref, or taking some wild and crazy jumper/layup..it’s clear that he has a lot of emotion (who wouldn’t) but once he gets his teeth cut a little more i think he’s gonna be a stud.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

like every other player in the NBA
bitching about something to the ref

"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks

by DucRider on Apr 23, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

you're right

i was just saying that EVERY single time he doesn’t get a call, he right there hugging, complaining, etc..i’m more than uneducated when it comes to this young man, just my take.

by Ceek on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with the focus on allowing Richardson to have a career game.

The defensive game plan worked in game 1, but (in hindsight) it was a fluke and it’s time to change it. Guarding Richardson should be a priority. The Blazers are going to need to defend the weakside differently on pick and rolls and also deny Richardson in transition.

The one change that the Blazers made that worked in the second half was trapping the pick and roll. It caused some turnovers and disrupted their rhythm.

by PoliSam on Apr 23, 2010 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

complete the herd thinning

Another piece of unfinished business is thinning the herd.

Letting Blake and Outlaw go was a good first step in that. I think another reason they should trade Fernandez is as an additional step in the herd thinning.

I believe in order for Martell to thrive he needs to have a place on this team he can count on. It seems at this point that that place probably should be backup 2 as well as backup 3. He’s showed some good things lately, now if he could just get his touch back on the 3 pointer he will be quite an asset to this team.

by lsjogren on Apr 23, 2010 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

in perspective

“I’m proud of the way this team has played and shown up, yet I’m growing more and more disgusted with some members of the fanbase”

Assuming they lose this playoff series: It doesn’t seem like it’s that big a disaster if they get some good learning out of it.

I mean, what makes for a good season: A good record in the regular season for one. Making conference finals would certainly be a great milestone. But what about winning a first-round series. How much different is it to end the season dropping out of the playoffs in the 2nd round versus the 1st round. There were a lot of expectations that to show decent progress they should win a playoff series this year. That implies that you want to show further progress year by year with the idea that it eventually leads to a championship, but I think that notion that teams on the rise progress in a linear manner year by year is unrealistic. The progression might wind up more like getting knocked out in the first round 3 years in a row and then wind up in the finals the following year.

by lsjogren on Apr 23, 2010 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Why I Don't Need a Valium

Look guys, I don’t like that the Blazers lost either. I didn’t enjoy seeing the first half to like it did.

But I also agree with Dave’s position: stop panicking.

Two points to make. First, watcing this series is a LOT more fun than wathcing a playoff series that does not have the Trail Blazers in it. I have at least two more games to look forward to and I will watch them.

Second, the reason that I will watch them. I get that they lost… but this team has played—in my opinon and in most circumstances—to near the maximum of their current capabilities. I know Bayless is currerently kind of one-dimensional, but I watched him drive and drive and drive and then strut and bang chests after the drive. I know Howard is a bit slow and old… but I love watching him deliver hard fouls and then call the team together. I know LMA is struggling… but he’s trying and he’s fighting in the post working for a way to figure out how to win. I know Batum is injured… but I watched him gear and drive for the hoop on an attempted dunk KNOWING he was going to get fouled hard and KNOWING it was going to hurt bad bug going up anyway.

It isn’t perfect. LMA is frustrating at times; Miller has some odd quirks; Camby’s shot is so surpassingly strange I have to rewind it every time it goes in; Rudy’s malaise is a complete mystery (and possibly a point of refutation for point 2 above)…

But this is a sporting event—not a gambling event or a lottery ticket. No one should be slitting their wrists when their team loses at some point (all but one will) and no one should be moping around as much as this fanbase is after a loss when guys are doing what we’re paying them to do: put it on the line and try. That second half was not a team that gave up… it was a team searching for answers.

That’s why I watch. Ultimately seeing them drink champagne and wear a baseball cap is just sort of dessert at the end.

Do your part: keep watching and keep cheering.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Apr 23, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Geez dude - why keep apologizing for crap play?

C’mon! – as the godfather would say. If you want respect you have to earn respect. I see no reason to respect the Blazers the way they are sucking right now.

by ralphzillo on Apr 23, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

If this were Facebook, I would "like" your post!

Every team has ups and downs, out of every team in the league, we know that. Unfortunately the blazers are having “down” games at a very critical point in time. Fans are too quick to turn on them. I always listen to 95.5 The Game, and it never ceases to amaze me how after a loss we need to trade our players and fire our coach. Let’s look at the big picture of this season. I was pissed off last night just like every other fan was, but let’s not turn on the team at such a pivotal moment.

by nnz0122 on Apr 23, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually
First, watcing this series is a LOT more fun than wathcing a playoff series that does not have the Trail Blazers in it

I disagree.
It is not fun watching your team shrink away from playing and look defeated and play without any energy.
Playing the game for fun ended with high school.
Losing a game is ok because the other team is better, but effort is required.

"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks

by DucRider on Apr 23, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Portland just shriveled up.

Not sure whats up mental/emotional side of the team, but is is something. Aside from the lack of any effective strategic adjustments, the players look as though they don’t believe in the game plan any longer. I don’t much blame them. The coaching staff hasn’t made a single effectiove adjustment this series. Hoping Rudy Fernandez turns into Brandon Roy isn’t good coaching. Pushing tempo? That was seriously a Portland adjustment, to push tempo against The Suns. Wow.
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We had no strategy for double teams on Lamarcus. None. It’s like we didn’t even practice between games.
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Speaking of Rudy, the “I’m not Brandon Roy” comment and frustration seem to have a root now. Watching Rudy get handed the ball totally out of his comfort zone and asked to be something he’s not for the first quarter was excrutiating. Judging by the players body language, I don’t think anyone of them thought that was a viable strategy. It wasn’t. It lost the game for us in the first five minutes.
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A word for fans calling other fans “fair weather” or complaining about “whining” etc…. Your not making it any better scolding other fans. How does that make you a good fan and someone else a bad fan? Let a person blow off steam, sheesh. WHat if someone on a chat board panics? So what? That affects you, or anything? Whose taking it to seriously? Just let a poster vent you know. You don’t know whats going on in a persons head just from their chat board post. And as just another fan, you certainly aren’t entitled to dictate someone else how to be a fan so just chill.

by Zers4Ever on Apr 23, 2010 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh and I will be right back in front

of my TV on Saturday with blazer gear on, cheering.

by Zers4Ever on Apr 23, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ben, Dave

Can you guys explain what adjustments were made from game 2 to game 3? It seemed like there were none. Same double to Aldridge, same deny to andre. I don’t think Bayless or Howard are gonna beat the suns.

by BarelyLegal on Apr 23, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

double teams

So let me get this straight:

The Blazers double team the Nash/Amare pick and roll and they swing the ball to the open shooter (J-Rich) who knocks down the 3.

But when the Suns double-team LMA and Andre in our pick and roll, we can’t find the open man and or the open man (Rudy, Martell, Nic, Jerryd) misses the shot.

Basketball is such a simple game.

by billyrybates on Apr 23, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

exactly

our rotations out of the double have been a lot slower than theirs, so that doesn’t help either

by Billy Hoyle on Apr 23, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

The issue is more on offense

When Lamarcus dribbles into the corner it erases our chances of getting them rotating. If you stand up to the double team and pass out of it, you can create open shots. If you run from it, you just do the defense a favor. He dribbles out of his threat zone, the passing doesn’t happen in time, the defense isn’t forced to rotate, and 10 seconds of shot clock have been wasted.

by Zers4Ever on Apr 23, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

we don't have the shooters Phoenix does.

Against some teams, overloading the strong side is a great tactic (it’s the basis for a lot of the Laker’s defense, for example). Basically, you either need just otherworldly great trapping to make swinging the ball to the weak side very difficult or you need to not care about defending 2 on 3 on the weak side.

I’d have no worries leaving the Blazers shooters open— our guys might hit a few but most teams will be happy to let our Rudy, Martell, Jerryd shoot three pointers. Sure they hit some but they miss often enough that you can easily live with that.

The Suns, though? Their team is built on 3 point shooting. Overloading the strong side against that team isn’t a winning tactic. It might work on the Suns rare off nights on 3 point shooting but it’s not the recipe for sustained success. Compare to how the Spurs keep beating the Suns— by being incredibly disciplined on chasing their shooters off the 3 point line and forcing them to be a 2 point shooting team.

by howlingfantods on Apr 23, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both teams played hard ??

I wish….

I was impressed with Martell more than I had been.
But what is up with Rudy ???

Til the wheels fall off.... Marcus Camby

Go Blazers !!

by FrenchieFan on Apr 23, 2010 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Sigh...

It’s been a tough, tough season.

All that the team has overcome, and the final injury to the All-Star right before the playoffs start? It was like a cruel joke.

Getting tired of saying, “well, next year _______________ will be healthy again, and then we’ll see.”

Kind of glad the season’s coming to an end – wish it wasn’t with such a whimper.

Sigh…

by Knobby on Apr 23, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

actually the defensive scheme against P&R is correct

the defensive scheme showed in Ben’s picture & his video in earlier post is solid – big guy shows hard on the screen, trap the ball-hanlder with Batum and the 3rd guy comes out to take away the rolling big man, then you have to rely on crisp rotation to cover the outside shooters.

The problem, at least in the video, is the rotation. Andre Miller helped out with rolling Amare, that was good. But he was supposed to rotate to Hill in the corner as soon as ball came out of Nash’s hand toward JRich. He didn’t rotate to him quickly enough and gave up an easy mid-range jumper to Hill, which he missed.

by iverigma2 on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

What is Lamarcus Aldridge doing in that play?

Amare isn’t even setting a pick on his side of Nash. He isn’t guarding or helping anyone to begin that play. Is this some kind of set defense against their P&R?

by Zers4Ever on Apr 23, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love basketball! :)

Best sport ever.

Go Blazers!

Andre Miller is the old guy in the corner at the YMCA who gets picked last and then wins the game singlehandedly with sky hooks from the deep right corner. - dwaynebillybob

by jamon51 on Apr 23, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

So are folks starting to agree with me that Nate can't coach defense?

Strong side overload against the Suns, Christ. It sure worked like gangbusters in the first game, but you can’t plan a stupider defensive strategy against the Suns than one that’s based around hoping that they miss open 3 pointers.

by howlingfantods on Apr 23, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

And even worse, not having a plan B when they predictably catch on fire...

To think folks around here were actually upset that Nate didn’t get COY.

by howlingfantods on Apr 23, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plan B

allows Nash and Amare to run the pnr all day long. Would you rather see 3pt attempts or dunks by the opposing offense? Basically, you live with allowing some open 3s in order to shut down the easy stuff and hope they miss more than they make. That’s what makes Phx so dangerous. Their weakness is supposed to be their D, but that just hasn’t been the case these last 2 games.

by Billy Hoyle on Apr 23, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh you're right, that's exactly what the Spurs have been doing to kill the Suns

the last 5 years.

Oops no it’s not, in fact the best defenses (both Spurs and Celtics) have almost always focused almost exclusively on taking away their three pointers.

You claim Phoenix is winning with their defense. No, that’s not the case. 105 Off Rtg is not great but not lethal – it would’ve been around 20th out of 30 in the league in the regular season. 123 Def Rtg is off the charts awful, it’s 10 points worse than the Raptors managed this year, and they had a historically bad defense. This is after an even worse game 2 where we gave up 135 Def Rtg.

by howlingfantods on Apr 23, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't surprised by the game 2 meltdown

but this return game in the first home game at the Rose Garden was bizarre. I wasn’t necessarily thinking they would win, but the lack of adjustments from game 2 to 3 was strange since the Suns did the exact same thing. I sometimes thinks Nate has the game plan, but it’s the players that fail to execute his orders. I don’t know. But we still need to acknowledge that this team is really depleted and were going to have a hard time winning this series even with effective adjustments (or even with Roy IMO). I just hope they bring some focused energy from tip-off to the final buzzer tomorrow night. With win/loss at least they should compete hard for the loyal/passionate fans. Go Blazers.

Maddie in Portland, Oregon

by kentuckybred on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

The only positive about last night

was the Seahawks picking Russel Okung and Earl Thomas!

by GTsmookie on Apr 23, 2010 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe Rudy finally learned his lesson

Fernandez would not have been called for an offensive foul on that first play if he had put up a shot instead of passing. Stoudemire was in the restricted area – it would have been a no-call or a blocking foul if Rudy was shooting. He missed a golden opportunity that could have set an entirely different tone for the game.

Rudy may not want to be a primary scorer, but he needs to get it through his head that in this situation that’s what he has to do. Shooting that floater in the lane is one of his best weapons against the kind of defense Phoenix is playing, but he need to establish he can make it before he tries to fake it. Also, it’s the way to draw fouls – their best chance of beating those guys. How much different might it have been if Amar’e had been the one in early foul trouble?

I think maybe he got it – I sure hope so, anyway.

by greenknight on Apr 24, 2010 12:42 AM PDT reply actions  

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