Marcus Camby Contract Extension Coming?
by Ben Golliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:29 PM PDT
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PrintOn the heels of a dominating performance in Game One down in Phoenix, ESPN's Marc Stein reports that Marcus Camby is in talks for a contract extension...
The Portland Trail Blazers are working toward securing Marcus Camby to a contract extension, according to sources with knowledge of the talks.
Sources said Monday that the two sides had already been negotiating toward a new deal that would keep Camby off the free-agent market this summer.
One source said a deal, if completed, would likely span two years in excess of $20 million.
Dwight Jaynes reported on 95.5 The Game that a contract extension is forthcoming. During updates, the station used the following language...
Marcus Camby has agreed in principle to a 2 year deal worth approximately 25 million dollars. The deal is still waiting league approval. The deal should be done in a couple of days.
After practice on Friday, Nate McMillan joked with reporters that he was pushing to bring Camby back by chanting "Mar-cus Cam-By!" when the topic was brought up in discussions by management.
Update (12:40PM)
Here's Dwight Jaynes's post...
The Portland Trail Blazers have reached an agreement on a contract extension for free-agent-to-be center Marcus Camby, according to a source within the NBA.
It is believed Portland will give Camby two years at a total of $25 million and an announcement could be expected as soon as Monday afternoon.
Kerry Eggers also tweets...
Blazers expected to announce contract extension today with Marcus Camby.
Update (1:15PM):
Jason Quick writes...
One person with knowledge of the talks said the two sides are "close to an agreement in principle" after nearly completing the deal on Saturday.
The deal is for two years and $21 million guaranteed. There is an additional $4 million of "unlikely bonuses" or incentives attached.
Travis Demers of 1080 The Fan tweets...
Blazers to re sign camby 2 years 21 mil + 4 mil in incentives. Should be done today.
Update (1:44PM):
Joe Freeman tweets...
The Blazers and Marcus Camby are on the verge of agreeing to a 2-year contract extension worth a guaranteed $21 million.
Update (3:22PM)
Kerry Eggers writes...
The Trail Blazers have agreed to a contract extension for Marcus Camby.
And the Portland fans get a big assist for their part in the deal, which is subject to NBA approval, something the team hopes to come Monday or Tuesday.
The veteran center said he has been overwhelmed by the support he has received since coming to the Blazers in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers in February.
Sorry for the delays and technical difficulty this morning.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
PS Thanks to przybillafan2001 in the FanPosts and fitsnstarts in the FanShots for getting it up first.
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This day just keeps getting better
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Apr 19, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 19 recs
rec!
"You kill a mosquito with an axe. Nothing personal, but this is what I've got to do. You're in my way right now so I've got to get rid of you and I'll see you next year." -Monty Williams
the days are getting better with each day
at this rate, we will win game 4 of the finals by 60
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
10 million a year seems like an overbid to convince his family to agree. I think he's worth it, but
in 2 years, will his body hold up? I think it’s worth the risk.
Its worth it
And it sends a message to Oden that we still think he is the future.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Him and Miller. It’s not going to suck to have ~$17 million worth of expiring contracts to play with in a year or two
Most inexplicably NOT Clark Kellogg?
Addicted to Quack
and as it's been mentioned below, possible Joel (though I hope not) next year
Seems like KP is always a few years ahead of the game in terms of ensuring flexibility if they need it. PA needs to pay him too while he’s got the checkbook out.
Hell Yeah!
Great News! He will be so good for the team especially Greg Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
"Wow, this is really....great news..."
- Joel Przybilla
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
See, I don't understand how this threatens Joel. He is gettin paid regardles. But on top of that,
Camby can give Aldridge rest, while he plays with either Oden or Pryzbilla. The one who will be useless is Juwan Howard. Yeah keep him around for the blow outs, but that’s the guy that won’t get to play.
by BRoyInThe4th on Apr 19, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And not to be cruel
But Joel is probably gone til the all-star break at best.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I'd be surprised if Joel plays at all next season.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
based on what?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Apr 19, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on his injury being both ...
… serious and the additional trama of tearing it twice within a couple of months.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Tim, everything is coming up roses for us right now.
The karma of the universe is balancing out. He’s gonna come back and consecutively swat Kobe, Pau and big stupid Bynum at the end of Game 4 of the 2011 WCFs to clinch Portland’s sweep.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking from experience
I first ruptured my right patella in ’03, I made a full recovery in about 13 months without rehab or doctors due to no insurance. I could almost, 99% guarantee that he will play. I know he had better doctors and post surgery care.
I ruptured my left patella on November 14th 09, and re-ruptured it in middle of February, requiring me to get surgery to correct and fix previous surgery on April 5th. This time I have insurance and post surgery care for both surgeries and the injury was extremely bad.
My doctor expects a full recovery by November. That’s without a medical staff or professional trainers watching my every step and with a kevlar hoop holding my patella in place with 3 holes in my patella and one in my tibia, so I’d say Joel will be back to 80% by start of season unless complications arise.
Just to add, I’m older than Joel by 6 years, and went down the same way he did. I was able to get all my vertical back and my knee actually feels stronger after the healing period was achieved rhan before the injury occurred.
BTW. I LOVE the Camby move, we’ll have one of the deepest frontcourts in the NBA barring injuries.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
unless
a person has other militating issues, a healthy patella should support 16x the body weight of the injured person. It is a direct proportion of the person’s body weight, not dependant on size of person in most circumstances. It’s all about post care. The key to recovery is strengthening the quad and surrounding muscles and acheiving ROM as soon as possible.
Most patella injuries occur first with a dislocation, for athletes that is usually caused by prolonged wear on the tendon and a series of minor sprains over a player’s career, which elongates the tendon allowing the patella to leave its track and dislocate, or in my case and Joel’s, a complete rupture, which means it tore off the kneecap.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
And that's a win-win situation
Juwan really didn’t expect to play much, at least from his comments at the beginning of the season. He’s getting old also, so I don’t think he even really WANTS to play that much. He focus on doing what he does best – coaching the young guys.
the likely reality
is that Joel won’t be ready to go until mid season. this gives us a nice 3 man rotation until then – and that is if Greg stays healthy, which is no given.
When Joel comes back, it possibly could be to fill in for another injured big. or best case, we now have 4 quality bigs. that is a fantastic luxury to have, and sets us up really nicely. never a bad thing to stockpile good bigs.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
this^
Let’s not assume Przy is going to be traded next year at the deadline, he might not even complete his rehab and be back to full strength by then. Having 4 (oft-injured) big men on the same roster is not a problem, but paying them all is dicey…
this signing almost guarantees that the Blazers will be over the luxury tax threshold in July, unless they move a contract like Webster’s for draft positioning. If the Vulcans are going to allow PA to exceed the LTT, then the sky is the limit for who the GM can acquire in years to come.
We saw Camby’s agent (Kaplan?) at the game last night, and evidently his trip to PHX was business-related. It’s funny how Miller was signed in Vegas last July and now it looks like Marcus will ink his extension in Phoenix…does the Blazers front office do any actual “business” in Portland? Have Blackberry, will conduct transactions these days
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Who really cares if Portland is over the cap or not?
Other than the people signing the paychecks.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
It's more about being above the tax threshold
If the team is above the threshold, it possibly limits the amount of FA activity or re-signing other players that the franchise makes. That affects everyone, including fans.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Baring any sort of trade ...
… Portland did not look to be much of a player in the FA market this summer. They potentially have one open roster spot (Howard’s) which they may have needed for their draft pick. After that, they would have to start releasing guys (Mills, Pendergraph?). At best, I could see signing someone with the MLE. That should still be an option, if a more pricey one now.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Forgot about Travis Diener.
Ok, two open roster spots.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
You're correct
He’s not guaranteed for next year.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
It isn't whether he is guaranteed or not.
It is whether or not Portland wants to retain their rights to him.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
look at it this way
Once the Blazers are over the luxury tax threshold, they have to pay the league dollar for dollar for each extra samoleon they spend on any contract (even their own player’s extensions)
So, if the Camby extension puts them over the threshold (around 68 mil, the salary cap “estimate” is currently projected to be around 55 mil) then they can offer a FA the MLE of 5.8 mil, but they’ll be paying the NBA an additional 5.8 mil for that “overage”
Want Steve Blake back at the full MLE? Fine, but it’ll cost you 11+ mil in cap value. (That’s just for 2011, BTW)
It’s not our money, but the Vulcans and Paul’s sister do care about these things…Allen was writing big fat checks to the league back in 2001 and I doubt that anyone up in Seattle really wants to go back to bleeding money again, especially with this economy
But as fans, we say “spend Paul spend!” because it makes the team deeper and more talented…as long as Trader Bob isn’t calling the shots and trading Jermaine O’Neal for Dale Davis or Brian Grant for Shawn Kemp…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Apr 19, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the flipside.
And this is not meant to be rude or disrespectful or to flame anyone, but if, and I know it’s a big if, I was PA, I wouldn’t worry about money so much after battling CANCER. It has a way of kicking you in the you know where and making you realize that life is finite, and time does not last forever in our lifetime. We have a limited amount of time in this existence and if he wants the trophy and has the money, start signing those checks if you want the window to stay open.
I know a few people that have been close to death, or at least scared of the fact that what they had could kill them. When you have a doctor tell you, you have such and such chance of living, it kind of changes your perspective on life and whats important.
Not saying this is a fact for PA, but you’d have to think it certainly affected him at least a little.
The PA at the beginning of the season and the one in the playoffs are not the same man.
Again, no disrespect intented to anyone.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
I agree with this. With PA going through what he’s gone through, he’s liable to spend some money.
#52
"We have nothing to lose." - Martell
Paul's bucket list
Fire Tom Penn? check
Resign Marcus Camby? check
Make FA offer to LeBron? Pending
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
My point still stands.
Why should we as fans care whether signing Camby to an extension puts the team either over the cap or into the luxury tax bracket?
How does this negatively impact the team we root for?
It isn’t as if it is going to prevent Portland from signing a big name FA. Neither does It prevent them from signing FA’s with any of the exemptions they have. In other words, it should not keep the team from doing anything it might otherwise have done during the summer, other than locking up what was potentially an open spot on the roster. And as far as that limitation goes, whom else would you suggest that spot be better used on?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I thought I answered that?
We fans shouldn’t care, if Paul wants to spend the franchise into oblivion in his quest for an NBA championship, we should be rooting him on, all the way!
The only downside were the dark days earlier this decade when the RG lease was up for grabs, and there was a real chance of Paul selling the team. If that had happened, a more few years down the road when the RG lease expired, the faithful fans of the Blazers could find themselves in the same boat as our step-brothers, up in Seattle
But the skies are sunny today; Camby is a good signing. My point wasn’t to argue against giving him the extension, it was to explain how exceeding the luxury tax threshold could potentially affect the team’s pursuit of FA’s this summer. After considering the options on the list who might accept the MLE, it’s probably a better idea for the Blazers to make a trade, instead…assuming they have any players on their roster that they want to replace this offseason.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You can never have too many quality bigs
Especially when we KNOW that Oden gets injured a lot, and Przy may never be the same. Joel is our guy, but even he must know that his injury was pretty severe, and that it’s no kick to the curb for the Blazers to sign another center.
Joel won’t be back for awhile. Consider Marcus our insurance policy…for…something I’m not going to say. No jinxing going on in this thread…
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
not at all
3-man rotation until Joel comes back mid-season.
after that, you never know. But one thing is for sure. Stocking up on quality big men >>>>>>>>>>>>> stocking up on unproven point guards >>>>>>>>>> stocking up on wing depth.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
If we ever get into the enviable position of wanting to trade a quality big man
we will find there is never a lack of market for them
We should debut our “XXL lineup” LMA-Howard-Camby-GO-Pryzilla.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You need a PG, I suggest Batum
PG – Batum
SG – LMA
SF – Camby
PF – Oden
C – Przy
Most inexplicably NOT Clark Kellogg?
Addicted to Quack
by Matt Daddy on Apr 19, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Either way, pretty scary to opposing D’s
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The only offense would be offensive rebounds. Just have Batum throw it up from 3 and let the other 4 go rebound. First guy who gets it, gets to shoot back in.
Most inexplicably NOT Clark Kellogg?
Addicted to Quack
And thats bad how?
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't that how Amare scores all his points?
I mean, thats the Suns offense in a nutshell.
"I don't feel like I'm going to be happy or complete until I'm an All-Star. My favorite example is that it took Chauncey six, seven years. And Chauncey's been a mentor for me, and I've learned a lot from him in these last couple years. So, people can say what they want, but I'll get the last laugh. " - Bayless
by StuckeyDuck on Apr 19, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
same with Orlando
same with the Rockets when Hakeem was in his heyday
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
why not?
… there was a sequence last night where he picked up Nash on a possession, switched to cover Amare on the next PHX possession (picked him up from the start, not after a pick) and then back on Nash on the third possession. He had an unbelievable game last night.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I love Batum on PG’s. His length and quick feet make it almost impossible for PG to dominate a game. Look at the guys he’s covered well, Paul, Nash, D-Will, Parker. I’d much rather him guarding PG’s than 4’s.
Most inexplicably NOT Clark Kellogg?
Addicted to Quack
plus he can back off of them an extra step and coil up like a snake
then “uncoil” to full length and challenge their jump shot
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Not to dump thread...
but where was KP when TNT showed a shot of Paul Allen, Bert “Stooge 1” Kolde, and Larry “Stooge 2” Miller?
Nice.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
getting interviewd by haarlow
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you?
I wouldn’t. The guy made the Blazers who they are now and we have everything to thank him for, and all the brass can do is turn their backs on him.
I have a feeling
that this decision is “mutual” since the Penn firing
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I'm one of the few
who thought it was ok to let Camby walk if he was asking for too much/too long but I guess 2 yrs for 20-25 mil is ok. I’m just weary after what we went though with Theo Ratliff (although Camby is much better). Worst case scenario t he’ll become a valuable expiring contract that we can use to add talent. Best case, he’ll continue producing despite his age.
by neutroticblazerfan on Apr 19, 2010 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
According to my calculations,
the most he could sign for would be $21.18 million for 2 years.
$10,110,750 in 2010-11 (110.5% of his 2009-10 salary)
$11,071,500 in 2011-12
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
That probably sounds about right.......
Combined with GO’s extension we would could be putting close to $25 per year for our centers
Don't extend GO!
We will get a chance to match his going rate vs pay what we value him at….which is way too high IMO.
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Apr 19, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
An extension for GO, though
wouldn’t kick in until 2011-12
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Apr 19, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, never mind
I get what you’re saying
Camby + Oden + Przybilla in 2010-11
Camby + Oden in 2011-12
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Apr 19, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Huge!
Did KP get this done?
I bet JPEC becomes a common word around here for the next 8 months?
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM PDT reply actions
I bet JPEC becomes a common word around here for the next 8 months?
I’d bet Tom Penn’s job on it……
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if the team wants to take back salary for him
They might just decide to let his expiring contract expire. After all, trading him would almost certainly entail bringing back a longer contract.
I’m not saying it couldn’t happen – in fact, in some ways I hope that it does. I’m saying that with the changing economic climate of the NBA and even possibly some changing attitudes in the Blazer front office about ‘turning a profit’ that we shouldn’t expect 100% that Joel will be traded.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
great point
in fact, thinking about that I almost hope they don’t trade just to keep Vulcan away from my Blazers.
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm more optimistic that the Vulcans will let Paul exceed the luxury tax threshold after hearing this news
first of all, they did make Hedo that 5/50 offer last July with full knowledge that Roy/LMA and Oden would be getting max or near max extensions during the life of that contract
and now the front office is being proactive with Camby…10+ mil/year? Sure he’s worth it but it almost guarantees the team will be over the LTT this July, regardless of what they do with Oden. Once they bust through that glass ceiling, what’s to prevent them from using the MLE and the BAE this offseason, as well?
Only the frugality of the Vulcans—which appears to be in full retreat—this is as worth rejoicing about as a road game playoff victory, if you’re a Blazer’s fan!
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Hope not.
Just pasted this over from another thread that looks like its been abandoned for this one:
I understand that his expiring contract has value and I honestly think that dealing him might be a very good move. I hope the Blazers do trade away Joel and his EC if it will help the team. But, Pryzbilla has earned the right not to be referred to by a moniker that will see him compared, even in this small way, to Lafrentz.
I propose a ban on the the use of JPEC on bedge and a contest for more creative and reverential terms for Joel’s contract. Two ideas just to get things going:
"The contract"
"Thrilla dollars"
As in:
I heard the blazers parlayed Rudy Fernandez, B-Rex, a couple of picks, and The Contract into CP3 this offseason. Sweet.
or
I wonder what position the blazers are going to spend all those Thrilla Dollars on? PG, PF?
by fitsnstarts on Apr 19, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Perfect.
Just the kind of thing I was looking for. Hopefully, a couple more good ones will come in and then we can open it up to a vote ;)
I keep not wanting to like a 10 mil or more deal because of his age
But the guy plays so freaking good!
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
by llamaiguana on Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Its only 2 years
That’s the saving grace.
Unlike say the Hedo deal, where the Raps have 4 more years to go on that after this season.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I almost feel sorry for them.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Her husband has guaranteed paychecks (in a princely amount) for the next 4 years after this,
plus she gets to live in a more cosmopolitan city, which was her preference. I see no reason to feel bad for Mrs. Turkoglu. Nor any reason to chastize her. We all know Portland is a great city, but that doesn’t mean it is a great fit for everyone.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
There was always a fair chance it was nothing more than a face saving gesture.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
but whether it's true, or not
Mrs. Turkoglu will go down in Blazer lore for having “saved” Portland’s front office from making really big boo-boo back in the summer of ’09
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I do feel sorry for their fans. That was almost us.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell
And they’re probably going to lose Bosh…ok, now I feel really bad.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
David Lee isn't so bad of a consolation ...
… if the rumors are true.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
That would complete their utter inability to play defense, wouldn't it?
Turkoglu, Bargnani and Lee would be the softest defensive frontcourt in the league and it wouldn’t be close.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Don Nelson's frontcourt
says hi
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Good point.
Though Biedrins is tougher than any of those three.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So is Turiaf
when they’re healthy
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Already? Damn that was fast. They must not like the smell of pizza in the locker room before the games.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
At first sight, I thought you wrote “laker”…..
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Mar-cus Cam-by! clap clap clap clap clap!
I didn't mean to turn you on
by dukedee on Apr 19, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Backhand high fives for EVERYONE!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Glad that Camby is happy enough here to sign an extension
Though he will be able to play against second units and have as good a chance as any team at getting to and in the post seasons. For a guy his age that seems like a pretty good deal… Oh and getting one of the loudest (if not THE loudest) basketball stadium to chant his name? That has got to be an ego boost…
Camby is teaching Pendergraph a thing or two
He really needs to get with Oden and show him some tricks of the trade. Having Camby around with Oden, Vanilla Gorilla, and LA is going to scare everyone in the league. Even more-so than the ‘if we were healthy’ scenario we had this last year.
BAAAAAATUUUMM SHHAAAKAAA-LAAAAKAAA!
Oden
I think Oden’s ideal role next year is coming off the bench as an enforcer ala Bill Laimbeer. It gives him fewer minutes so he can get healthy and gives the Blazers a more muscular edge. Mix this with using Jerryd’s natural muscularity to punish other teams and Portland could be a force.
Oh not this again
Oden is the future of this franchise. You start him.
by GMan83201 on Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Oden performs well enough to start, sure
But Camby has proven he can consistently grab 11+ boards, block 2+ shots, and play at least 30 minutes a night. Oden hasn’t. Camby starts. Different debate than last year, as Przybilla has never won a DPOY
Yes, true
but Oden was playing well this year until getting hurt. He is the starter unless injured or he plays worse than this year.
Or in constant foul trouble
Bringing him off the bench takes the pressure of not fouling off of him and provides stability for the rest of our team, as Camby fouls at a ridiculously low rate. Having Camby and Oden play the exact same roles night in and night out would be huge for our team. Not knowing whether you can count on Oden the starter for 15 or 35 minutes is an unnecessary distraction
Oden starts
IF you don’t, you lose the opportunity to get Oden on the floor with Roy ,LMA, and Batum. Not to mention Camby is 37 less minutes a means more production over the two years.
O.R.
If Oden gets in foul trouble
we have Camby off the bench. Oden at his best is better than Camby at his best. You. Start. Oden.
The kid's gotta learn to play with fouls
And he’s gotta learn how to play without getting so many. If he’s sitting bench he’ll never get that chance.
and he has to develop into a "name" player if we ever want him to catch some breaks from the refs
that won’t happen if he’s not starting.
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Greg needs to play against the best
and he needs to develop a “starter’s reputation” with the refs
Camby won’t mind coming off the bench to backup Greg and LMA
Start #52. There won’t be a “center controversy” in fall camp. Only here at BE
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Camby can play both Center and Power Forward
Start Greg for 6 minutes, put Camby in, pull aldridge at the end of the first put Greg back in at the beginning of the second…bring Aldridge back in with 8 minutes left…bring Camby back the last 2 to 4 to close out the half…
Can you imagine?
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Why does everybody want to play coach?
Personally, I think Nate McMillan is capable of figuring out how best to use his roster.
Not withstanding the strong opinion to the contrary in some quarters of BE.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I better not see you post an opinion about anything anywhere!!!
I’ve got my eye on you!!!
hehehe
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Wasn't really meant as a criticism.
I just don’t get it. Maybe it is age related. I have no desire to impress people with my knowledge of managing a roster or determining lineups and rotations.
I couldn’t care less about who played how many minutes and when, so long as the team is playing well. But I can most certainly join you in getting excited about having Oden, LA and Marcus all playing next season.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
now be nice
you can’t blame the arm-chair coaches for salivating over the possibilities re: a OdeN-LMA-Camby big man rotation, next year
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How'd you like to be a penetrating PG
having to face a front line of Oden, Camby and Batum?
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I would love it
but only cause that probably means I am getting paid millions of dollars per year to do it!!!
nah, man, you are right on, I think that is the definition of daunting
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learn how to make the tear drop
because the bank is closed
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I believe this was what Nate might have had in mind ...
… last summer.
Greg forced a change of plan with his play. He was just too good not to start.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Only problem is
the league might have to change the rules so other teams can participate in the rebounding game. GO/Camby= 30 reb 10 blocks?
No rule change
All their rebounds belong to us.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
How much for your women?
Blues Brothers reference
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You can have the women
I shall have the flan.
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But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
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Am I the only one who thinks this contract is excessive?
If the final year is a team option then I can see it being ok….but man oh man….Camby does not exactly have a good track record when it comes to staying healthy. $25 million over 2 years on a 36 year old center is pretty big gamble.
a very underrated aspect of this deal
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^this
Pay the freight. It will take you to more playoff wins which leads to more post season games at the RG and increases the TB’s revenue
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debbie downer
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by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL. Always gotta be someone.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
See above
I only think they can give him $21.18 million
More than anything, it keeps him off the market. OKC cannot even put in a bid this summer for his services.
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by Storyteller on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
surreptitiously, you invoke the Oden vs. Durant debate, again
but I think the idea here is that Portland has a better chance of offsetting Durant in the near future than OKC does in offsetting PDX’s bigs….
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not my intention
My concern was that OKC could offer money plus a guaranteed starting role. Portland, with Oden, could offer money plus the opportunity to compete for a starting role.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
not too bad
2 years is low risk. He is an asset as an expiring contract in 18 months anyway.
He’s also shown no signs of decreasing productivity. Has continued to produce through the whole stretch run without any fatigue.
Never been a gambler...
But I think this is one we take. I’d put my money on Camby then others we could get for that. Actually, I wonder who we could get at that price who is comparable to Camby?
by BlazerRoddy on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody. We don’t have the cap room to be able to get somebody out of free-agency at that price tag. Personally, I think the money is worth it (especially since it’s only two years). I was always more concerned about the # of years, but if we get Camby and only hav to pay him for 2 years, that a huge win.
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right
the most the Blazers can offer anyone a free agent in July is 5.8 mil, plus escalators
and there are no impact players like MC to be had, at those prices
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quality centers demand a heavy price in this league
how many people do what he does? 2?
In a perfect world yes
But its only two years and if it keeps him off the open market, worth it.
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It is a bit excessive, yes.
But I think for a two year contract, we’d probably had to overpay him. My guess was that Camby would have been looking for $8 mil for 3 years, so instead of giving him an extra year we overpay him a bit and retain flexibility. I’d be willing to do that trade-off.
This move allows us to use Joel’s contract as a trade asset this offseason and Dre + Camby’s contract the year after. So, even if the vet’s play falls off the table or we encounter a new need that needs to be filled, we have the assets to do so.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
I agree
might be a bit expensive for Camby, but look at what you are buying:
- team continuity, which affects the current playoff run
- keeping Camby off the market, and while the Camby chant is fresh in his mind
- contract flexibility: each of the next 3 years, we have significant flexibility thanks to how these contracts are structured.
for all of these reasons, and of course his play, this is a great deal. I really wish Joel the best, I would love to see him earn a role again, he’s a favorite of mine. He ain’t ever puttin up 30 points though.
I agree it's quite a lot
But he still moves very well for his age. E.g. comparing him to how Garnett moves in these playoffs, call me crazy but I would rather want Camby going forward. And while he had a lot of little sprains and tweaks and bruises that cost him an average of about 20 games each season over his career, he only had two major injuries: A partial ACL tear, and a hip surgery.
And between Greg, Joel, LMA and Howard
we’ll have plenty of overlap to weather those bumps and bruises he sustains playing his pell-mell style.
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
In today's NBA ....
… almost any player is subject to a serious injury and big men perhaps more so than others. Look at the bigs missing from western conference playoff teams. Not to mention possible playoff team Houston. Even non-playoff teams were hurt by losing bigs, like GS (Biedrins) and the Clips (Grifith).
Camby’s impact to Portland has been clear. And there is pretty good evidence that there would be considerable demand for his services. Marcus represents both value (his performance to date with the Blazers) and demand, the two factors impacting cost. When you are in a position that you can afford to ignore the bottom line if you so choose, the primary concern becomes how a player’s contract impacts your future flexibility. I don’t see this deal having much in the way of negative impact on that score.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I think Paul sees the L*kers championship window starting to creeeeeak shut
and he’s positioning the Blazers to make their move. Soon, LeBron will be the only obstacle
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This will allow us to roll out this lineup in next seasons playoffs
Roy-Aldridge-Camby-Przybilla-Oden
Yes! Yes! In the face!
swap roy for batum
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by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, BRoy, second unit.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he can provide a nice spark off the bench.
He can be our change of pace guy.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
BRoy-Fernandez-Miller-Bayless-Howard/Pendy?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point, it doesn’t matter. Our first 2 units are going to be sick.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I almost feel bad for Pendy and Dante.
They could both be getting pretty decent minutes with other teams next year. But being part of a winner is important experience for them too.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
They’ll get their opportunities. If Rudy bails, it opens a spot for one of them to impress.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
how would a shooting guard leaving open up spots for power forwards?
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by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's perfectly capable of playing as 3 off the bench.
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Batum to the backup 2, Dante to the backup 3
we’re big, we’re long
we take no prisoners
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Insert Greg Oden joke here
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Apr 19, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
In that scenario...
who runs PG, Greg or Batum?
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Wow great move
I really didnt think Camby would be able to be resigned. i thought for sure it would be about family to him. Great move though,
A big thanks to the fans at the Rose Garden, your Camby chant i am sure had a big influence on his decision.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Look at it this way
Just paid about 12.5 million a year for the second best rebounder in the NBA this year. Once GO comes back you will have two of the top 5 centers in the league. THat is huge.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Don't forget Joel!
Joel is one of the best centers in the league in rebound rate…and he wouldn’t even play if Greg and MC stay healthy. Damn. This is a huge get for Portland.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Joel's injury is one of the primary reasons for this Signing
There is a good chance that he won’t even play next season
I bet you a million hypothetical dollars he plays next season.
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll bet a mil 5.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Camby can back up aldridge
and feed Oden in the post on the high-low.
Let Oden operate on the block and make him the low post potion, Camby in the high post with his weird “J” and passing.
Oden/Aldridge
Camby/Aldridge
Oden/Camby
is a very nice rotation able to cover new age 4’s and score in the post.
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by HurraKane212 on Apr 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think what you are trying to say is he is the perfect mix of “Banger 4” and “back up 5” that a lot of Bedgers have been looking for in Portland for a while.
I agree
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I wouldn't call him a "banger"
but he is one helluva glass cleaner/shotblocker.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Apr 19, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
isn't that what bangers do?
well, other than bang? Marcus is a banger without the bang. He’s got the boom, though, so it’s all good.
Clownzano + Batum - Clownzano = awesome
naw, Camby's not a banger
all you have to do is watch him try to box out Boozer to know that
but a healthy Greg is the ultimate beast, so it won’t matter
and when Przy gets his leg healthy (next Feb/March) there will be plenty of muscle (and bad intentions) to play alongside LMA and Marcus
I’ve been looking forward to Camby (and Miller) feeding Oden with high-post passes since the trade…mmm mmm good, smashy-smashy
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re due for the next 6 months, at least.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Love where you’re head is at. Love it. I’ll book my flight to Portland now.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
If(rumor=TRUE,“This day gets better and better”,If(rumor=FALSE,“Fear for the 2nd round”))
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a great day to be a Blazer !!
Til the wheels fall off.... Marcus Camby
Go Blazers !!
by FrenchieFan on Apr 19, 2010 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
REC
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
i take it a joel-oden-camby lineup wont be giving up an rebounds off FTs
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With that lineup
opponents will be shooting a lot of free throws.
I think this is great news
and I hope storyteller’s numbers are right, $21 million over 2 years, is much better than $25 million, not sure why, but it is in my mind.
I can’t wait to see a lineup with Camby and Oden in at the same time next year. 3 big man rotation, LMA, Oden, and Camby. Each should hopefully get 30+ mins.
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This means we're also going to the 2011 Finals!
If we have a healthy Brandon and only 1/2 of the insane amount of injuries as this year, what team would not fear Portland?
This team may be the stuff of legend!!!!!
Break out the record books now.
Please put Portland in the “most wins in a season category” with a 75 next to it.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
defending the title is always tough
but i think we can do it 2011
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by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
Now this is how a Blazer fan should think.
Rec.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
rec him, then
and make it green
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Big line up
This gives up a line up that can match up with the size of LA and Denver.
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Apr 19, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
We didn't need Camby to matchup with anyone, only Oden
when you combine Camby + Oden + Aldridge – then Portland becomes the team no one else can match up with.
LA has Byman and Gasol (2 < 3)
Denver has Nene & Martin (2 < 3)
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Dallas has Nowitski, Dampier and Haywood (3=3)
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Yes, but:
Aldridge << Dirk
Oden >>>> Dampier
Camby >>Haywood
Storyteller's site has Dampier as not fully guaranteed for next year.
Does anybody know what his contract status is?
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"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He needed to either make the All-Star team
or play in 2100 minutes this season. Neither happened, so the contract remains unguaranteed.
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Meaning that Dallas has a virtual team option?
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Also meaning that he can be traded on or near the draft as essentially an expiring contract.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Cool, thanks.
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
if Cuban's smart (and I think he is)
he’ll look at what Allen’s doing and keep Dampier and Haywood around
(not that it will matter…)
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billionaires corner the market on centers
because…they can
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and Odom
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by HurraKane212 on Apr 19, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Huge signing, hope it goes down...
I also think Marcus has earned a big fat payday from the Blazers… No way we’re the 6th seed without him… And now, if we can continue to play well against Pheonix, the next round is either Dallas or SA, and I think we can beat either of those guys, so perhaps this is the year we start our annual WCF trek! Which would be a HUGE benefit of experience to our guys, I think they could literally move the championship window up a year… Man, adding a healthy GO and Roy to this group? Wow.
Can’t wait to go to the game Thursday, that is going to be one loud arena…
Webster is signed through 2013
for around 5 mil/year. It was his decision, no do-overs
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Possible line-up?
Forget twin-towers.
Roy – PG
LA – SG
Camby – SF
Pryz – PF
Oden – C
BAAAAAATUUUMM SHHAAAKAAA-LAAAAKAAA!
make penderpgraph the 3
and camby the point
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by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow I was just plan wrong.
When Camby came over, some folks were saying we should re-sign him. Loren and I talked about it on the show and both of us said there was no way that it would happen. But I just winning a playoff game can really open up Paul’s wallett.
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Apr 19, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions
I can honestly say that I love what Blake and Outlaw brought to this team now.
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 12 recs
I still
would love to get blake back.. I think Andre has solidified that he is the starter and blake would be a great option off the bench.
I would even like a bench where Bayless and Blake play together.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Blake replaces Rudy
Bayless plays backup SG, not PG
could happen
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Setting up for a Title Run
this year the team looks ready to play, they’ll go as far as the starters can take them, and right now i think that is into the 2nd round. they are not afraid of the suns, the bench is maybe a bit inconsistent to get more than that.
next year, w/o all the injuries (have to figure that), the front line is deep and defense will improve even more…
"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks
let them beat on each other for awhile yet
soften ’em up for the knockout punch, in round 2
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Implications
1) Does this mean that the Blazers don’t make an offer to bring Freeland over next year? If I had to guess, I’d say yes.
2) How does Oden respond? Does it inspire him to work harder in training camp to try to earn the starting spot? Or does it frustrate him? I hope for the former but concede that the latter could happen.
3) Is this a good sign that the team will spend (ie, go over the tax threshold) for a team that it considers will win in the postseason? That would appear to be the case, and if so, it is very good news.
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How much further do they have to go to get over the tax threshold?
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Signing Camby to this extension almost certainly puts them over the threshold
Unless Joel is ruled to have a career ending injury and his $$$$ gets taken off the books at the end of the season,
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Those are synonynms, no?
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
same thing
there are only 3 places you can be:
1) under cap
2) over cap, but under tax
3) over tax
Portland was scheduled to be in category 2 before this deal. This deal will push them into category 3
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unless they package Webster to move up in the draft
but let’s be optimistic…Paul is going for it again, and he’s got the Vulcans locked up in the broom closet
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Why would it frustrate oden?
the had Pryz, they know camby is doing well and if they can sign him they will. I still think oden has to play into his new contract and he knows that.
I wouldnt be surprised if we let oden test the market and match any offers he gets.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Oden hits RFA status only if he gets injured again
otherwise, he will be extended because he is really, really good
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If he assumes that Camby has been extended to be the starter
and he assumes that he is expected to be the backup, I could easily see him being frustrated.
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1) Freeland probably stays or if he really wants to come over they look to move him at the draft.
2) Oden will work harder. Camby will be a huge advocate of following Bayno’s advice and training. Camby will push Oden to work harder literally as well as figuratively.
3) This is great news that Portland is willing to spend to win.
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Hope you're right on 2)
As for Freeland, there were rumors that KP wanted him to come over this past summer and Joel decided to stay. So there might have been some communication about this coming summer as the time for Freeland to make the jump to the NBA. This extension might change that both for the team and for Freeland.
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Since you’re the expert. Could Portland trade Freeland’s rights at the draft for picks (this year or in the future)? and what positions could they possibly trade it for salary wise (lottery, first round, second)?
Personally, I see Claver coming over before Freeland. I know they wanted him last summer but that was before when they were still pretty thin on the front line. Now? Not so much. Plus, if Claver comes over and Batum continues to blossom a Marty/Pryz trade give Portland a lot of salary to change hands… ok now I’m just rambling. Feel free to answer just the first 2 questions :)
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I now see Koponen coming over before either Freeland or Claver
He could be our #3 for the PG and SG spot next year. Freeland would be an option, but not as long as the roster is so crowded with bigs. He would want at least the chance at 15-20 minutes of playing time. Claver just won the Eurocup last night, and will likely play out his contract.
That’s true I forgot about Kop. But then what to do with Mills. Leave him in D league averaging 40? I’m pretty sure Kopenen’s not going to want Mills/Diener minutes.. you think?
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I think one of Koponen, Mills, Diener is our #3 PG next year. The other two are gone. Mills is on a one year minimum contract. Koponen is a tall combo guard, giving him the option of playing both spots like Bayless can. I think he’s the one least happy with his current club situation.
Think they’ll bring him over in the summer league to see how he does again? He played really well last time they did.
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I have to check on his contract situation again. Either the deal is up, or at least he has a low buyout. And he’s the only one of the 3 guys stashed in Europe who earns less than his rookie scale deal, so he even has a financial incentive to come over.
a poor man's Blake
that’s how I see Petteri. He’s not as experienced as Steve, but he has the chance to have more potential upside, especially on the defensive end. Kop had a nice game guarding Parker last August, and he could possibly be a difference maker on D, like Batum (besides, everyone knows that Finns never quit—SISU!)
and Portland likes to stash those low-ball rookie Euro contracts down at the bottom of storyteller’s salary chart, it helps “offset” the big dollars up at the top of the roster
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I see no need to be concerned over any of Portland's picks ...
… currently playing in Europe. To the best of my knowledge, there is no time limit on them. Portland retains their rights until such time as they trade them or sign them. At that latter point, then the CBA clock starts ticking.
The worse case scenario is one of these guys signs a long term contract to play in Europe and thus becomes unavailable to the Blazers on their time table. Even then, that is only bad if there is an expensive buyout clause in any such deal.
I still have fairly high hopes for all three of our European players. I also believe that each of them would have a tough time trying to earn a spot on Portland’s roster right now. I wouldn’t let worries about any of them influence roster decisions now or over the summer.
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Yeah, it's hard to stress over those guys
If you look at the bottom of the first round to the end of the second round in any draft, it’s basically a crapshoot. If you do your due diligence like Portland has, you might get a decent role player who will be with the team for a few years.
Buckwalter pulled guys like Kersey and Cliffy out of the 2nd round, (and TP and Sabonis out of the late 1st round) that’s what made those teams so special. Nowadays there aren’t too many diamonds in the rough that the other “quant” GMs don’t already know about, like there were back in Bucky’s day (he signed Moses Malone out of high school to play in the ABA, etc)
So, as much as I could rail on about the “waste of a draft choice” on Sergio, etc, the fact is there probably wasn’t anyone who followed him in the draft that was a real difference-maker. If the Blazers spent 10 draft choices on Euro-stash and after 5+ years only discovered one Batum—well, Nic was worth all the rest put together, and then some.
Having said all this, I have high hopes for Koponen. I think there’s a role for Pete in Portland if he really wants it. (Finns have a way of hanging onto things that they hold dear, against all odds…they call it “sisu”)
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But frankly, why would Freeland choose to come over when there’s no role for him, and the money playing closer to home is the same?
Unless he’s got a “jones” to play NBA ball like Rudy did, where’s his motivation?
And until I see him play against NBA players, I’m skeptical that JF’s much better than Pendergraph anyway
I could see Koponen coming over though, depending on what the team does with Rudy and/or the MLE…but if Bayless keeps showing up like he did yesterday Rex might have the backup 1-2 role sewn up by draft day
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Good timing for once
After the win last night and what looks to be the blazers resigning Camby This is just the sort of shot in the arm that could really pump the team up and propel them Thru Phoenix into the second round.
Go Blazers!
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Yeah, now would be a good time to hear about a KP extension.
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I'd like to think KP saved his job
Camby is just a stud
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously
How could you let KP go at this point. This team has way over achieved with all the injuries. Cant imagine this team at full strength together for a year.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
This team at full strength together for a year: Contention for a Title.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
yep...
It’s crazy to think how good we’d be with a injury free season. I really hope we’re not fooling ourselves though.
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
too good to be true, always waiting for the other shoe to drop
It’s not easy being a Blazer fan, we can’t get used to something so right
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You don't attend games or buy any paraphenalia?
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no games and a negligible amount of paraphernalia...
or let’s put it this way: if decided to stop watching the NBA today, Paul could still pay.
i salivate at the thought of a healthy oden defending alongside camby
the length to stop the lakers.
How often would that really happen?
through LMA out there and you have 3 7 footers?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Camby is a natural 4... so it could happen quite a bit
if he’s LA’s backup why would he be playing with Oden too.
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Oden/Camby is going to be crazy good on defense...
"I’m getting more expensive by the game" - Amare Stoudemire
Especially if we play them simultaneously
as we’ll be able to do against many front lines. That will be the best shot-blocking duo since Robinson and Duncan.
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Oden/Camby/Webster/Batum
For the first time ever, I might actually be confident in our all-around defense.
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/tangent
how incredibly sweet were Webby’s two blocks last night? I thought the first one was completely a foul live, and then I saw the replay and he was ramrod straight and never hacked down. Unbelievable. He’s had some MONSTER blocks this year.
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by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
it's nice to see Martell take pride in his defense
that will lead to many good things for Web in this league
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Most likely.
Blazers should win a title for him as a parting gift.
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Got a spot on the coaches end of the bench for ya, J-How.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious about this too...
I like Juwan but he’d have to be content with 0 minutes. I don’t see him getting any play time over Dante or Pender next year.
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's happy with 0.
He comes in during blowouts, posterizes another old person, and sits back down. He seems to love Portland.
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
I don't think so.
He wasn’t even expecting nearly as many minutes as he got THIS year, I think he’ll be perfectly content being a cheerleader for whatever the minimum is next year.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Portland now has potentially three open roster spots. (I seem to recall that both Cunningham and Pendergraph were signed for two years. )
Howard’s ; Diener’s and Mill’s.
They will potentially have to make a spot of one and possibly two draft picks over the summer. They will likely be reviewing the list of FA’s and seeing if anybody makes sense to use one of their exemptions on. It is difficult to predict what they might do without having the list of FA’s to refer to. But even without it, one can still make a decent case for Portland retaining either Mills or Juwon and possibly both.
Howard still fits the description he was originally signed for last summer – veteran experience on the bench and an insurance big man. Note how he’s been getting the minutes over Dante and Pendergraph. He still brings value. Portland is unlikely to have drafting a PF/C high on their list of priorities as a replacement for Juwon when they already have Cunningham and Pendergraph and knowing a rookie isn’t likely to bring what they wanted Howard for in the first place. I would not be surprised to see Juwon back as a Blazer next season.
Mills has a fair chance to be retained as well. Portland clearly likes his skill set and thinks he has a chance to be a rotation player in the NBA. He’s young and inexpensive. There is small downside to having him as the 3rd string PG. The biggest threat to seeing him dropped is if Portland finds someone they rate higher in the draft, or decide they want another insurance policy player – i.e. a veteran PG who will accept a lot of bench time.
Right now Travis Diener is the only guy on the roster I’d give little chance of being around opening night next season.
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Portland is unlikely to have drafting a PF/C high on their list of priorities as a replacement for Juwon when they already have Cunningham and Pendergraph
This is true, but the 2010 draft is thick with PFs (and “tweeners” who could play the 4-3) So even though there’s not an immediate roster need, they could still draft the BPA and deal away one of the others. But I expect that if KP’s runing the draft they’ll trade up or down, and (hopefully) out of the first round. Or, they could draft and stash another Euro again…but the Euro picks are fairly poor this year, compared with season’s past
As long as they don’t draft another rookie PG who is really a tiny shooting guard, I’ll be happy ;^)
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that works for me
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
makes you wonder what is considered "unlikely" for Camby
Advance to WCF? That seems kind of likely. Average 15 rebounds? Not out of the question.
"unlikely"
is anything that didn’t happen last year. Just a technical term and not necessarily unlikely.
Whether an incentive is unlikely or likely depends on if the player has reached those numbers in the previous season. Could be anything from number of games to minutes played to raw stats to All-NBA team selection to whatever they please.
Looks like
Camby’s incentives for playing in a certain number of games will now be considered ‘likely’, but he had incentives for statistical performance that he did not reach in 2009-10. Those can still be considered ‘unlikely’ and can be carried into the extension. That puts the total amount of the contract above the $21 million guaranteed that I referenced earlier.
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Could they say it's unlikely that he plays e.g. 5000 minutes over two seasons?
That would mean he’s the starter or at least very healthy for those two years
I don't think an extension
can add new incentives, it can only carry on the incentives previously introduced in the original.
I could be wrong, but that’s my understanding.
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Okur out 3-6 months
sucks for him, he might be done for good,
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at least Utah has that Ogre to fill in for him
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah that dude... he's a monster
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by In Walks Rudy on Apr 19, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
he killed the Blazers
during the 25 point comeback
size matters, when Sloan is your coach
I still expect Denver to advance, it’s a good thing they’re both over there in the L*A side of the bracket
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"Unlikely bonuses"
Just a note for those that aren’t familiar. “Unlikely bonuses” aren’t necessarily unlikely. The NBA defines unlikely as basically anything that didn’t happen last year. With a bit of creative thinking, you can come up with stuff that didn’t happen this year, but will probably happen next year. But by having the bonses be “unlikely,” you get around the maximum salary extension rules.
Feel free to clarify this if you know it better than me.
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You have it right
With one caveat. If either the Player’s Union or the team feels that the previous year’s performance is not a good predictor of whether the incentive is ‘likely’ or ‘unlikely’, they can petition to have an ‘expert’ mediate the disagreement.
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I’d like to thank Camby, the Clippers, Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, KP, the Thunder and the fans in section 314 that started that chant for making this happen.
Thank you!!
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by Matt Daddy on Apr 19, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Don't forget Mrs. Turkey Glue
Without her, there’s no ‘Dre. Without ’Dre, this team crumbles under the weight of injuries and doesn’t pull the trigger.
Are any of those 314 guys on here?
I sit in 311 and wish we could be cool like them.
Travis to Patty, "Why you sound like that?"
actually
there was a guy who came on BE the other day and said that he and another guy in section 312 started the chant, then section 314 joined in and made it theirs
I think the Blazers should arrange a “meet and greet” with these two guys and MC
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I want them to get trophies,
free front court seats, signed Marcus Camby jerseys, and a drink from everyone at the Rose Garden!
Hip-Hip-Hooray Chant Guys!
Don't forget to thank Dunlevey
for the Chris Wallace/Kevin McHale-inspired trade to help his adopted hometown team (or perhaps just to piss off Sterling).
by Pooh Richardson on Apr 19, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Section 314...
I have had season tickets in 314 for 4 years now and each year I say “I should get better seats next year”, but the people I have met, and friends that I have made, trumps lower seats. I love my section and won’t stop chanting any time soon!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
My early minute breakdown projection:
C- Oden: 32, Camby: 16,
PF- Aldridge: 35, Camby 13
Obviously if Oden gets in foul trouble then Camby picks up the slack. Does that work for everyone? Best frontcourt rotation in the NBA?
Oden still needs to prove he can stay on the floor for 32 minutes without foul trouble.
That doesn’t even include staying healthy.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Sure, that's why I threw in the stipulation about foul trouble with Oden
Even if Oden plays 28 mpg (which he did last year when healthy, and what I would call a conservative estimate for next year), the breakdown is:
C- Oden: 28, Camby: 20
PF- Aldridge: 35, Camby: 13.
Nice
If those numbers hold, then they should all be somewhat fresh at the end of the year. No 42+ mins.
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Apr 19, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
in theory
of course, I don’t want to bank on either one of those C’s to actually be healthy at the same time.
Let’s just say I am cautiously optomistic. This is a great extension IMO and I think speaks volumes for his on and off the court.
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Seems high for Oden.
Wasn’t he averaging around 24 minutes this year before the injury?
And you should leave some room for the Dantes and Pendergraphs of the world.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
If our rotation is Oden-Aldridge-Camby
Dante and Pendy really won’t deserve a lot of playing time.
Deserve? Maybe not.
Get? More than likely. The regular season is 82 games long. We better play those guys if we want to avoid injuring our front court every year.
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Blowouts will be frequent & thorough
Garbage time aplenty for the sophmores.
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that's where injuries come into play
you can never “plan” for them, you just have to have depth and ride them out…like this season has shown us all too graphically
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
im stoaked because
Cambys veteran skills have elevated and changed our Blazers style of play for the better. He changed our rebounding habits and once he gets to show GO a thang or 2 then GO will be a much better player for it. I have totaiil noticed how much better LMA has played just from being able to bang with an exp vet like Camby in practice. We use to never slapback rebounds back out to our perimeter, Camby is a master at it, even when he gets like 15 rebs a game, he has probably 5 slapbacks to teammates everygame as well. Ive noticed how much his game is now reflected in LMA—LMA gets a few slapback rebs to teammates per game now, where as never really much before. Plus everyone-LMA especially though is playing way better “D” and blocking ways more shots which I feel is because of things that Camby has shown him.
Camby changes our future chances not only for when he plays here but for any long term player he teaches who will be with us long after Camby retires. I cant wait, what a great mentor to show GO a trick or 2!
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by cavejunctionblazer on Apr 19, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
And the same can be said for Miller and Howard as well
Miller more than Howard, but Camby is to LMA and GO what Miller is to Bayless and what Howard is to the whole team.
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by cavejunctionblazer on Apr 19, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
A contract extension for Camby as I suggested on April 14
According to StoryTeller’s website
Camby signed his last contract in July 2004. That would mean he is on the final year of a six year contract. I believe that means we could sign him to a contract extension (max 6 years, 110.5% of current salary) up until June 30.
From Larry Coon’s Salary Cap FAQ:
51. …. Except for extensions of rookie scale contracts (which must be signed by October 31), extensions may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent.Storyteller lists Camby’s current salary as $9.15M, so 110.5% would be $10.1M. That should be enough to do it but the big question for any team signing Camby will be the # of years.
I heard on Courtside tonight that Camby’s agent would be in town attending the Wed night game. ……….
(Of course Camby would probably want to wait and get all offers this summer.)
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
I'm just thrilled. IMO, this was our #1 priority this summer.
To get it done now is fantastic. This tells me Paul Allen is ready to do anything possible to win a championship, as I discussed in this post.
Camby was an enormously important addition
The Blazers lost the first two games with Camby and then went 17-4 in games Camby played.
Camby’s 23 games in PDX – 31.2 Min/game, 11.1 boards, 1.5 assists, 2.0 blocks, 7.0 points, only 2.4 fouls/game
Although Camby just turned 36, his play has been quite consistent for 10 years. For instance, his rebound average this entire year was 11.8. Except for one year at 13.1 and one year at 7.2 (only played 29 games) he has been between 10.0 and 11.9 the other 8 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had 2 more good years left, especially playing a few less minutes with LMA and Oden.
I don’t think we could realistically do any better than an LMA/Camby/Oden PF/C rotation for the next 2 years. If Oden can get 60+ games of experience next year, that PF/C rotation coupled with Roy and Miller could make a lot of noise next year and a championship run the following year. Batum would be in his 4th year and ready to really contribute. Just add a good backup PG and a high-quality backup 2/3 this summer and we are good to go if we can stay healthy.
With Roy’s growing history of knee problems and Oden’s track record (82 games played in 3 years, and how many years till MF on the other knee?), our window of opportunity could be much shorter than expected. And when will we have better players than Miller and Camby at those positions again? Considering Miller’s age and Camby’s age, I think Paul Allen should go all-in and make Camby an offer he can’t refuse if he seriously wants another shot at a championship.
I have no idea what Allen’s state-of-mind might be about the Blazers at this point. Perhaps he is fed up with the Blazers injuries he can’t control, and who knows what role his own health may play in his decisions. But he’s wanted a championship for 22 years, and he’s still worth $13.5B (up from $10.5B in 2009 according to Forbes). If he wants to make one more try at a championship this may be the best opportunity he will ever have again.
“Brandon eats first around here” – KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 16, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Normally it annoys the shitakis out of me when people quote themselves ...
but that was pretty good. You earn extra points for mentioning the agent would be at the game.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
(Of course Camby would probably want to wait and get all offers this summer.)
Oops, you just had to hedge your bets, didn’t you?
Nice call. I’m glad to say I was wrong about the Vulcans slapping Paul’s hand, as he reached once again for the checkbook
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Yeah, I did hedge my bet on that.
But it makes me even more happy that Camby thinks enough of PDX and PDX fans that he signed without waiting to see the other offers. That chant I started (just kidding) at the Rose Garden really paid off.
I’m giddy today. It’s been like waking up as a kid on Xmas morning for me. Uncle Paul left a great present under the tree.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
At $21 million ....
…. he didn’t have to wait. He knew it was highly unlikely he’d get more than that from any other team. That left only PT and odds on making the playoffs and possibly winning a title. Without having reference to team salary numbers, I’ll risk saying there is probably one other team that could offer regular playing time and a good shot of making the playoffs and also be able to afford to match Portland’s dollar amount. That’s OKC. Maybe Memphis if they wanted Camby over Zach. (And would you want to gamble on Memphis?)
Any team that’s a reasonable playoff contender and can offer PT would not be able to offer $21 million per year for two years.
I’m guessing that once Marcus felt assured the Blazers valued his performance enough to make sure he was going to be a key rotation player next year, it became an easy decision. Best dollar offer from a playoff caliber team that guarantees regular minutes.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
As bad as it sounds
Joel slipping in the shower last month made this choice a whole lot easier. It’s so easy to see a 4-5 role for Camby next fall, backing up both Greg & LMA
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As a Canby resident I hope he makes his permanent residence here
just to confuse the heck out of everybody.
Now if we can just get Batum to change his first name to DeMarcus. That’d be an awesome front line!
This is very exciting.
"If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season" - jksnake99
"...black on black. my favorite!" - portlandgiirl91
Hate to be a realist here but
is there any chance this affects the way he plays from here on out?
Travis to Patty, "Why you sound like that?"
Camby? No.
Maybe if this extension happened in the regular season.
Just making sure
I’m mean, we’ve only known the guy for what, two months? He could be pullin’ the sheet over our heads just to get the big bucks…… then again, i’d rather tromp through the playoffs wining with a blanket on my head, then watching clearly as we loose.
Travis to Patty, "Why you sound like that?"
His career arc suggests he doesn't "play to get paid"
Won DPOY despite the fact the contract he was on at the time is the one that expires in June
Camby>>>Theo Ratliff
Marcus may get hurt, but he’ll also play hurt
If he’s not in the lineup, you can be sure he’s really injured
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Probably
He’ll snag 20 rebounds on Tuesday just because he’s so freaking happy.
I'd say not at all for the rest of the postseason
But perhaps next season, with a reduced role and a deal done, it could happen. Players have been known to do it. Plus, he will be getting even older over the next two seasons…
But in my opinion? no, not at all. Camby’s a rockstar.
smh ben
where’s my shout out? I had it in fanshots first! hahaaaa
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!! Best 24 hours of blazers ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Miller doesn't fit with Portland. He'll never fit. You know it. I know it. The Blazers players know it." - John Canzano Jan 7th, 2010
by Dirty Socks on Apr 19, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You definitely did!
I saw that too. Here is a rec to make you feel better.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
haha its not a big deal
"Miller doesn't fit with Portland. He'll never fit. You know it. I know it. The Blazers players know it." - John Canzano Jan 7th, 2010
Noticed that too.
I got one and mine was behind yours. I even tried to back out of mine when I noticed I was late.
I am daydreaming...
about what it will be like to see Oden and Camby play together for stretches of time. What a great hi/low combination, defensive backstop and rebounding frontline.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
...
It would be great, Oden would learn so much more from Camby than Pyrzbilla. I love Billa still though.
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by brandonmitchell on Apr 19, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
We said this last summer with Greg/Joel.
I think we saw it twice. But the glimpses were beautiful.
Travis to Patty, "Why you sound like that?"
but Joel would not ever take a shot from the top of the key, or from along the baseline
and Camby can wind up and knock those down with semi-regularity
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...
I’m not going to celebrate until it’s a done deal. Just hope to god he doesn’t go Turkoglu on us.
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by brandonmitchell on Apr 19, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
If Camby comes off the bench next year
does he get 6th man of the year? The way he racks up rebounds and blocks, not to mention his potential to help take over a game offensively makes the Blazers an incredible threat for a (perhaps second?)title.
MC coming off the bench for either LA or Oden depending on the night is a huge game-changer in my mind. The depth we’ve been talking about for years just got way more real, assuming a much healthier 2011.
I'm not sure if this has been answered yet,
but if we sign Camby to this extension before the offeseason, do we still have a MLE to use on other free agents?
I believe so.
The MLE applies to free agent signings, and MC isn’t a free agent – he’s being re-signed, which puts him under Bird rights rules, if I’m recalling/explaining correctly.
Yup.
In fact, it doesn’t matter when we resign him, now or later, because we have his Bird rights. Our mid-level is in tact regardless.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Awesome, thanks.
There are going to be some very good options available for the MLE after the initial big signings happen.
by resurrect_ha28 on Apr 19, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
But will the Blazers use the MLE?
This extension puts them over the tax threshold. Meaning that to sign a $5 million player using the MLE actually costs the Blazers $10 million.
They might, they might not. We’ll see….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Maybe Lebron would take the MLE?
he could come off the bench behind Batum, be the leader of our 2nd unit.
by GMan83201 on Apr 19, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At this point I'm wondering
if there’s even a team need to address with the MLE. Centers who rebound and block shots at the ‘elite’ level? Check. Sweet-shooting 4 to stretch the defense? Check. Jack-of-all-trades SF who is rapidly becoming one of the premiere perimeter defenders in the league? Check. All-world backcourt? Check.
We need healthy players. That’s it. If we’re healthy, we’re a championship contender.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, that's true
although his regression this year has been somewhat troubling. I think of him as somebody who isn’t going to seize a situation by the shirt collar and punch it in the face. Take him off of the sad-sack Nets and put him in Portland with Miller and Roy and Camby kicking him in the butt every time he’s out of line, and I think he would be great in Portland. But he has taken a step back in basically every statistical category, and as the point guard he hasn’t exactly set a winning tone for his team, so I’m not as gung-ho at the prospect of acquiring him as I was.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure he has. But he’s still very good an in the right age range for the rest of the core group. That’s why he might be available once the Nets land Wall, and why the Blazers might still be interested. It’s more of a fun pipe dream. I also like Granger, Wallace, and Iggy though neither is likely to ever be a Blazer. Just good players and nice guys.
Definitely.
I didn’t mean to poo all over the prospect of acquiring him. I think the chances are good that he’d be a great acquisition and if the Nets win the lottery I’d expect KP to make a push for him. More than anything I believe that our core talent has what it takes to win at this point so he’s not the “missing piece” for me anymore.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Harris looks more and more to me
like Stephon Marbury lite….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
How about Rudy,Bayless & our 1st round pick for........
wait for it…….. Steph Curry!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
I have been thinking a Roy-Curry backcourt since the last Warrior game.
It makes my mouth water.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
The backup PG and backup 2/3 spots are up for grabs this summer.
Roy, Miller, LMA, Camby, Oden, Batum are set for the next 2 years. That’s a potential championship run for 1-2 years with the right backup PG and back 2/3.
Bayless, Webster, and Rudy are all tradable assets this summer unless they step up dramatically in multiple playoff games to claim one or more of those two backup spots. My guess is that only one of them returns next year. Add in the MLE and we should have no trouble filling the 8-man (late-season/playoff) rotation for next year.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I would bet that two of those three return
unless Marty is part of a Harris or Harris-esque deal, any trade involving him is gonna be pretty much a lateral move IMHO. I really like what he’s given us, and an athletic 3 who can come off the bench, hit threes, D up and grab boards is always a nice luxury. I would guess that Rudy is gone out of those three, if for no other reason than Bayless’ potential is so much higher than his.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
Rudy or Bayless is gone, and it’s probably Rudy. This allows Bayless to play the 2 in the 2nd unit. Martell COULD be traded along with Rudy if need be. If not, it will be great to have him back. There is no reason he can’t be here long term. He has settled into his place in the world and fits well with the team.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
two possible reasons
is that Portland wants Cunningham to get more PT at the 3, and Webster’s contract is pushing them up into luxury tax land
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Bayless, Webster, and Rudy are all tradable assets this summer unless they step up dramatically in multiple playoff games to claim one or more of those two backup spots
Jerryd and Martell have “stepped up” once, already
Still waiting on the returns from the Spanish precincts…
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I would say Bayless stepped up.
Martell is so inconsistent that he needs to play a string of good playoff games to convince me. Rudy is also in that situation. I’m not impressed if either of them goes 4 for 5 from the 3 pt line in just one game, or maybe even 2. I’m looking for consistent good play across 4 or 5 games. I could live with giving Bayless another year to progress because he is younger and less experienced than the other two.
Obviously there are other considerations in determining who to keep as well. Martell seems like he would be satisfied getting 15-18 minutes off the bench (maybe that is part of his problem). Rudy wouldn’t be. Bayless has handled his playing time very well this year. I haven’t heard of a single complaint from him, and he seems to realize he has more learning to do. So all else equal, I’m most inclined to give him another year.
Of course much will depend on what deals are available this summer. If a really good player is available I’m willing to pull the trigger on any combination of those three. And I think we need a good backup PG more than a new backup 2/3.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I am very happy with Martel this year.
After a wasted year his D has been impressive & when his shot is off he has done the little things, also he is on a nice contract for a role player.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
I'd be surprised if all three were not Blazers come the start of next season.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Biggest need left is the backup PG.
There are times we look absolutely lost when Miller’s not in the game. And looking to the future, Miller’s no spring chicken. He’s not getting any younger and we have got to find whoever’s going to take over when the time comes. I don’t think that happens with the MLE. But if we trade some current players to fill the backup PG role, we could use the MLE to fill the holes that are left.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
problem is
Andre’s gonna keep playing his 30+ mpg, so “whoever” the Blazers bring in to back him up is going to have to sign off on 15-18 mpg (which is unlikely, for a decent FA) or be a combo guard who can backup both the 1-2
Devin Harris kind of fits that role, so would Hinrich
Or, the Blazers may just move Rudy (assuming Paul’s patience with #5 has worn out) and bring Koponen over and let Rex/Pete backup Andre/Brandon
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Sure, Harris would be fine with coming off the bench.
My guess on possible Blazer moves regarding PG, in order of likelihood:
1) Continue grooming Bayless
2) Sign a veteran backup – Steve Blake maybe?
3) Give Patty Mills a shot as backup (or alternately, bring Koponen over to compete with Mills and Bayless as the #2 PG).
4) Draft a PG
5) Trade for an established PG to back up Andre Miller
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
another alternative
Let’s say Ray Allen doesn’t get a better offer than the MLE and he’s still available after the dust settles in July. Portland offers him the MLE and he backs up Roy/Miller with Brandon playing some minutes at the “1” while sharing ballhandling duties with Batum, with Nic defending against the tough PGs
Allen doesn’t look like the right fit for backup PG, but he’s a veteran who can hit big shots and play team defense. Ray also fits the “win now” window, with Miller and Camby
Rudy would be on his way out of PDX in this scenario. Bayless would be the insurance policy at the 1-2
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backup PG
we don’t have one. we need one. might be MLE, might be a trade
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I'm not sure I buy this
I know a lot of people here are down on Bayless. I’m not. Another year of seasoning and an off-season of studying film will do him wonders. I think if we’d had more continuity with our lineups he wouldn’t have looked like a fish out of water in the last thirty games or so, and ideally we’ll be healthy next year so this won’t be as much of an issue. I don’t want to sign somebody like Blake and have Bay exclusively play the backup 2 because I think that’ll hinder his development and still believe in him as the PG of the future to play alongside Roy.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say I was down on Bayless
I like Bayless as a sparkplug off the bench, playing 20 a game backing up both guard spots.
As our heir apparent to Miller? I’ve seen enough to say thanks but no thanks.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
he advanced his stock last night
if Jerryd can keep on bringing it throughout the post season, he’ll put all of this “who’s the PGOTF?” chat to bed
And again, Bayless and Koponen could possibly share the role as the 1-2, 2-1
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If we bring in a backup PG to play behind Miller,
which I think depends more on what we can get than how well Bayless does in the playoffs, then Bayless is going. We’re not going to put Bayless in a 3rd string PG role now. He needs to play or go.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Duhon is available. I wouldn't be uncomfortable with him as a backup.
by resurrect_ha28 on Apr 19, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I would. IMO he is not good.
Compare him to Bayless and Duhon comes out looking nasty. Duhon is shooting 37% from the field, just .501 TS%, and a substantially higher turnover rate despite having just half the usage of Bayless. The only area where Duhon wins is ast%, and even then it’s just 25.9% to Bayless’ 22.1% (compare this to an elite point guard like Chris Paul’s 46% if you want a standard of comparison). His PER is an anemic 10.7 this year.
No Duhon, no thank you. He has good total assist numbers because of D’Antoni’s style, but that’s it. I do not think he is good at all.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this $20M+ 2-yr signing indicates Paul Allen has decided to go All-In to win now.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe that is partially
what Hedo was about.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I would be interested in someone like
Udonis Haslem or Al Harrington. Depending upon how our roster shakes up, either one of them could add something to the second unit.
by resurrect_ha28 on Apr 19, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a fan of him as a second unit player?
by resurrect_ha28 on Apr 19, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul tipping his hand with the offer to Turk, for sure
but “this” outcome (Miller+Camby) is such a better way of spending the capspace and getting incredible value for Steve and Travis’ ECs
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The offers to Turk/Millsap/Miller were more business as usual.
We were under the cap and just filling the cap space. But signing Camby for $25M (total 2 yrs) after we are already over the cap (Roy at max, LMA nearly at max, and Oden still to re-sign) can only be considered an all-out play to win a championship at nearly any cost. Camby isn’t worth $12.5M a year unless you think it could put you over the top and you are willing to pay almost anything to get there. After this, I wouldn’t be surprised at anything that happens this summer.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
can a deal for CP3 be too much to ask for?
might as well shoot for the moon when Paul’s on this kind of a roll
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
not just the MLE at 5.8 mil
but also the BAE at 2.08
if they find somebody they like, at those prices
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
and if we're lucky
Portland will become an offseason “destination” for FAs who will be willing to “take less” to ride the B-train all the way to the finals
like Ron-Ron was thinking about doing last July…we’ll see how that works out for him
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
There will be a lot of players available at those prices.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
but remember, once you're over the luxury tax
5.8 mil becomes 11.6, and 2 mil become 4
the salary numbers start adding up quick, and the Vulcans are still counting the beans
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It may be on the excessive side
But it is short, most of the articles I saw had him looking at 4 year deals. 2 years of Camby lets us ride through our current injuries and look to the future. This keeps the Blazers competitive for now and that is sweet.
Portland School Board guarantees Camby Grade-School Principal job as contract bonus.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 3:04 PM PDT reply actions
Cool
I approve.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Coincidentally this deal would expire the year those guys would need extensions. Good timing all around.
Nicolas Batum Portland Restricted F.A.
Jerryd Bayless Portland Restricted F.A.
Rudolfo Fernandez Portland Restricted F.A.
Andre Miller Portland Unrestricted F.A.
Jeff Pendergraph Portland Unrestricted F.A.
by Norsktroll on Apr 19, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would be anything I'm willing to lose that there is no way Bayless and Rudy will both still be here two more full seasons
in fact, I am convinced at least one of them will be gone this summer, with the odds being it’s Rudy
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
*bet* not *be*
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Can you say "A CHAMPIONSHIP is coming in the next few years"?
Four times fast with a Camby jersey wrapped around your waist after you come out of the shower?
I’m getting excited just thinking about it. Camby has shown he still has the skill and litheness to play Center and play it darn well. Miller has meshed with the team. Roy ISN’T EVEN PLAYING WITH THE TEAM, and we’ve already beat the Suns in Game 1.
On top of all that, Oden comes back next year, meaning we can practically create and All Defense team with Camby, Przy Oden, Martell, Batum and anyone who’s willing to step up the effort and defend.
As for offense – well, we’re certainly potent there, with Roy being unstoppable once he gets back into shape, Miller being the pesky, bulky guard few PG’s can defend, Aldridge getting better all the time, Oden doing his smashy smashy, not to mention our deadly 3 point shooters.
Could the current incarnation of this team be the championship team? Do we put aside the talk about Andre not being the PG of the future (in other words, is Andre the PG of the future?)? Do we have the necessary pieces to dominate the league right now?
PERHAPS!!!!
the L*kers are fading
The question will soon have to be asked…how will the LeBrons deal with the Blazers?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Miller's the PG of the future because the future starts next year.
The window may only be 2 years with Roy’s now growing history of knee problems and Oden’s unreliability (how long to MF on the other knee?). We got to take our shot now when we can get a couple of years from Miller and Camby. Turk and the Clippers gifted us this opportunity, we got to take it.
"Brandon eats first around here" - KP
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Apr 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
a great point, which might be closer to the truth than most would want to think about
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Breaking News:
“Los Angeles, Ca – Disgruntled after hearing the news, Clipper’s GM Oshley, signs Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw to lengthy extentions. Quoted saying,‘Damn you, Mike Dunleavy.’ "
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
by dpnim on Apr 19, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
poor Steve and Trav
they deserve better than that fate
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Via BE Main pages update: Kerry Eggers writes:
The Trail Blazers have agreed to a contract extension for Marcus Camby.
And the Portland fans get a big assist for their part in the deal, which is subject to NBA approval, something the team hopes to come Monday or Tuesday.
The veteran center said he has been overwhelmed by the support he has received since coming to the Blazers in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers in February.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Does anyone have a link to video of "Sir" Charles slamming our fanbase during the halftime coverage last night?
I want to show a friend who didn’t see it, instead watching the Blazers broadcast of the game…
Blazers win!
"(Andre Miller) got a steal of a Brandon Rush pass in the backcourt and with a clear path to the hoop looked like he was actually going to dunk it with those 64-year-old legs. I believe that in true Darryl Dawkins fashion he was going to dub it the Miller-Time Pop-Top Rammin' Jammin' That's-For-TiH-and-his-Spammin' Thunderdawg Special. Unfortunately it got blocked. He did get to go to the line off the play at least. So he settled for calling the free throws "TiH Cheap Shots"." - Dave after a 102-79 beatdown of the Indiana Pacers
Don't think he slammed us....
Just said he didn’t think anyone in Portland thought we would win this series.
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Apr 19, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I would consider that a slam
since its completely false.
He could have meant to say ‘nobody outside of Portland’ though.
i think he misspoke
it would make any sense what he said
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
by thomasikehara on Apr 19, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
does this guarantee kp's job is safe
i mean, allan throwing all this money at a guy kp traded for?
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
I love this deal
BUT he is injury prone and thats the only major cloud looming over this
Fan of Greg Oden, Joel Przy, Batum, and Andre miller
then
He’ll fit like peas in a pod. Honestly though, I’d rather have an injury prone Marcus, then a healthy Juan. Nothing against Juan, he helped save the season for us when we had no one else to lean on.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
dito
I also love this deal but as mentioned above, the “worst” would have been a 3 year contract, something i was expecting camby’s agent would ask.
Overpaying a two years contract is less damaging, good points have been already made above.
On the other hand, i don’t agree about the people considering it will shut the door for freeland. Exactly the opposite, i think it’s the perfect time to get him so that he can be monitored by przy & camby while they still here. Przy could be replaced when he’s gone (traded, retired or whatever will be the option)
Likewise, i don’t see the point of geting mills this season to wave him in the end. Both mills and freeland should have pretty unexpensive contract considering what they can bring from the bench.
Final clarification on the numbers
OK, after investigating Camby’s situation a bit more closely, I have discovered that part of his current ‘base contract’ amount (ie, the amount that counts against the cap this year) is actually likely incentive money. Camby gets $500,000 in incentives for playing in at least 50, 55 and 60 games. These are considered likely incentives, so they count against the cap this year. In addition, he has an additional $2,225,000 in incentives that are, at the present, considered unlikely for cap hit purposes.
So, his guaranteed contract amount in 2009-10 is $7,650,000, with $1,500,000 in likely bonuses and $2,225,000 in unlikely bonuses.
Now on to the extension. A max extension would start at 110.5% of his 2009-10 contract amounts with a raise in 2011-12 equal to 10.5% of his 2009-10 contract amount. Giving us this:
2010-11 Guaranteed Salary: $8,453,250
2010-11 Likely Incentives: $1,657,500
2010-11 Unlikely Incentives: $2,336,250
2010-11 Amended Unlikely Incentives: $2,113,313
2010-11 Total Possible Salary: $12,224,063
2011-12 Guaranteed Salary: $9,256,500
2011-12 Likely Incentives: $1,815,000
2011-12 Unlikely Incentives: $2,447,500
2011-12 Amended Unlikely Incentives: $2,314,125
2011-12 Total Possible Salary: $13,385,625
Total Guaranteed Salary: $17,709,750
Total Likely Incentives: $3,472,500
Total Unlikely Incentives: $4,427,438
Total Possible Salary: $25,609,688
You’re probably wondering why I utilized the strike feature – no, it wasn’t an edit. If you take the amount of unlikely incentive money for 2009-10 and multiply by 110.5%, you get the amount of unlikely incentive money in 2010-11 that has been striken over. However, this amount breaks the rule of only allowing unlikely incentives to equal 25% of the guaranteed contract amount, so it has to be reduced to the amount that I refer to as the ‘amended’ unlikely incentive amount. Same goes for 2011-12.
In short, the cap hit of such an extension (guaranteed money plus likely incentives) would be $10,110,750 in 2010-11 and $11,071,500 in 2011-12, totaling $21,182,250. This, plus the maximum amount of unlikely incentive money, matches the general terms of the extension that the media is reporting.
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