NBA on TNT: A Severe Disappointment
by Dave on Apr 19, 2010 5:00 AM PDT
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PrintNow that you've fully expressed your euphoria from the Blazers winning the first game of the Phoenix-Portland series, let's take a moment to talk about what happened to Phoenix AND Portland fans nation-wide last night.
As almost always happens on TNT, the preceding games went long. It's funny because I watch 82 games every year. When they're broadcast locally these games run 2 hours, 30 minutes almost like clockwork. Every game that's on TNT pushes the three-hour mark. Any fan of West Coast basketball knows what this means. Either your game starts late or you miss part of it. The latter is exactly what happened last night. They delayed the start of the Portland-Phoenix game but the Dallas-San Antonio contest still ran over into it. Anyone who couldn't see the game on their local network (and at this point I highly recommend anyone who can access the game by another means do so) missed the first four minutes or so.
That's not my beef though.
My complaint is that after Dallas-San Antonio concluded TNT went to 10 commercials before they cut over to the Portland-Phoenix game. For 82 games, most of a year, you watch and grind, anticipating this moment. Then after all of that you miss the tip-off so a cable network can make sure it gets all of its money.
Mind you, I am not complaining about the money. They're entitled. But when the money comes at the cost of the sport and of the fans I have a problem. TNT has shown repeatedly that the sport and its fans are secondary. Between the delays, the pace of the games, the decisions about commercials I have about given up on them. They just...don't...care. Lots of people love Ernie and Charles and Kenny. So be it. I hope they get to follow the broadcasts to another network someday...a network that gives a rip.
This isn't brain surgery. Your first priority when you contract to broadcast games is to broadcast those games. If the previous game is going into triple-overtime that's one thing. But commercials? Those may take priority in your world but we're not tuning in to see network executives and sales reps work. We're watching you because we want to see basketball.
This isn't rocket science either. Make-goods for those post-game commercials should be an easy call. You have 10 commercials to run, right? About five minutes of time? CUT FIVE MINUTES OUT OF THE HALFTIME COMMENTARY. You have at least four segments there. Make each one a minute shorter. You may not be able to show all the film from the previous games nor show somebody calling Charles Barkley an idiot over their video phone but you can do all that in the post-game show. You'll get to show every commercial and nobody misses the action.
My beef isn't done, though. Two of those spots were from the NBA itself, showing how much the NBA cares about things. Believe me, I appreciate your community service. But if you want me to think you care why don't you show that you care about your fans who are waiting to watch your games? There should be a standing rule that if a game is in progress those NBA commercials don't get shown over that game. How any NBA exec can watch those spots roll knowing we're missing actual NBA action and not squirm to the bottom of their cushy rolling chair is beyond me.
Sports fans are funny. We have certain views and superstitions. Those become particularly strong when we get upset. I have not set foot in a Staples since they associated themselves with the Los Angeles Lakers. I just won't do it until their name is off of that building. I took down the name of those commercial sponsors and I'm adding them to that list. I'm not upset about them supporting the league and its broadcasts, of course. But it should be a quid pro quo for every sponsor that if the choice is between their commercial and the game, the game gets shown and their commercial gets worked in unobtrusively. Until that happens they'll just have to risk their good name making people ANGRY instead of convincing them to buy product. So I hereby pledge to you that from this moment on:
- I will not buy any kind of Haier appliance.
- I will not drink Dos Equis beer.
- I will not use AutoTrader.com
- I will not get a Capital One card of any type
- I will not eat Snickers bars
- I will not go to McDonalds for morning coffee or anything else
- I will not believe the NBA cares
I'm in a tricky spot with the last sponsor, as it was the government advertising an extension of the home-buyers' tax credit. I'm not sure how to boycott the government. But I'm plenty mad at you too, cheesy-looking guy in the Uncle Sam costume.
I am dead serious about not using those products. And the list will grow the more game-stealing commercials I see.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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That moment was infuriating
As soon as game 1 ended, they switched over to the second game (Dallas-San Antonio). However, they did no such thing for us. It wasn’t even the fact that they showed commercials. It was the absurd length that just said “We know you’re going to keep watching because you want to see the game. have fun with that”.
Exactly
I was pacing in front of the TV through those 10 commercials! I also watched all 82 games on NBA League Pass except for the game in Dallas that Miller scored 52, that one I was the fat guy in the 7th row with the Brandon All-Star poster.
Why can’t they space the start times out more. If they have a bit of down time we can listen to Chuck tell us ‘Not a single person in Oregon thinks Blazers will win this series’ a couple more times and watch another 30 commercials as we wait in aticipation of tip off.
LOL
really not a single person in Oregon thinks the Blazers will win? I see about 200 posters a day on this thread from oregon talking about how they think the Blazers will win this series…
you know its funny, we won last night, and they talked about the suns in the post game show almost exclusively on TNT (I happened to watch the game on KGW but flipped between the two to see what other people were saying about hte game). The only road team to win, and it wasnt anything we did right, it wasnt because we played a good game, it was that the suns didnt get calls, or whatever else….
One funny comment made by Barkley was “the blazers tried to give the game to the suns”
which was true… but you know what… THE SUNS COULDNT TAKE IT… Barkley didnt mention how the suns failed at taking the game that was being given to them on a silver platter (and by give I mean or suppose he also meant, that they would tie it for OT)…. he only wanted to disparage the blaezrs
Barkley is infuriating
2 memorable quotes from the postgame show:
“that team (Blazers) from the beginning actually thought they were going to win” – Said in a sarcatic tone
“This game shows how good Nash is” – Really Chuck, I thought it showed how good Miller is.
Ugh. Mike & Mike may be homers (deservably so) but I’ll listen to them over Barkley any day.
lol yea i saw err or heard that comment about this game showed how good nash was…
i looked at my wife like… what? lol maybe barkley is talking about next game, and he has a hot tube time machine
Same old story
It’s never about how the Blazers won, it’s always about how the other team didn’t win.
by Great Big Head on Apr 19, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, that's a legitimate angle regarding the finish of that first Blazer playoff game.......
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Barkley also said he was disappointed in the Suns. He is a former Phoenix Sun.
He made plenty of disparaging remarks about the Suns at half time. About how they should be stepping on the Blazers and weren’t etc.
of course it is a legitimate take… I mean really the Blazers shouldnt win and obviously still shouldnt win. That is completely valid. but they are winning. THEY WERE THE ONLY ROAD TEAM in the first round TO WIN THEIR GAME…
that isnt news? that isnt worthy of note… its not what the blazers did right, but ONLY about what phoenix did wrong? I mean Barkleys ideas about hte game are questionable, and his mental state right now is even more questionable.
I see him supporting his massive growing belly, and his inability to communicate a coherent thought is PATHETIC…. how or why is he on TV? THere are plenty of NBA stars from the past who can probably get through a thought without stepping all over them selves and their ideas.
Last night he was fighting with the one guy who said the blazers won because of what the blazers did, and his argument was, defense wins ballgames, but dunks win ballgames, but mummble mummble words that dont belong together in a sentence mummble mummble… and nash really showcased himself tonight…
It is so silly, I really hope the blazers win, just so Barkley can cry himself to sleep on his recliner while he eats his stupid donuts with sprinkles.
Miller showcased himself last night… nash sat on the bench looking like a disgustingly disfigured version of Tom Petty hit by a car lying dead on the blacktop baking in the phoenix sun.
yawn… I hope the blazers win the next game too… then maybe someone will say, hey the blazers… are ok
I haven't been able to stand Barkley or that gang for years.
When did I last find them amusing? Five years ago? Seems like longer. When did they last show any basketrball wisdom? I don’t thik I ever looked to them for that.
ignacio
He also said the better team wins.
Guess what Chuck, the Blazers ARE the better team!!!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
by We-B-Dunkin on Apr 19, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
He was talking about how none of the other Suns players were seemingly able to create their own shot and hence relied on Nash to create shots for them, so he was delivering a knock on the Suns in a way that came out as a giant compliment to Nash. The point was valid, but the delivery was so confusing.
My wife and I were both like, "Huh?"
Thinking we must have heard it backwards that not a single person in Oregon thinks the Blazers will win this series. If he had actually said, “Not a single person in Oregon thinks the Blazers don’t have a good chance to take this series,” it would have been met with a shrug and a “yeah, that sounds about right.”
Phoenix was hot at the end of the season, but so were we. The Blazer’s style of play is made for the playoffs, Phoenix not so much.
want to put some bite in it
send all those advertisers an email, they’ll never notice unless you do something that gets noticed.
by doomsdaymachine on Apr 19, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm in.
That’s like close to $50 they just lost anually.
Take that, game stealers!
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." -- Darwin
by Y5k on Apr 19, 2010 4:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You are soft and a litle whinners ;)
I you want good reasons to cry come to Spain, where NBA League Pass blackouts games broadcasted by Canal Plus and Canal Plus broadcasts some Blazers games (including this one) one or two days after. I pay for both and I should have to watch the game within 4 hours from now. Blame me now for visiting an ilegal stream.
that is harsh
Miller, Camby and Howard FTW. Love me the geezers.
by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 19, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I paid for NBA TV online stream
I’ve watched maybe two or three blazer games on it because when i had time ALL the games I had time for were blocked out. With no legit means to watch it, I did the bootleg stream.
Frankly it’s stupid. If it’s not online there, fine… but require OTHER sites that DO air it to stream please. Connect to the feed even and still stream. It CANT be that hard.
I won’t be renewing next year. Going back to the illegal streams because, frankly, I was robbed. I don’t own a tv so online feeds are my way to watch games.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
a call to 6 arms ... and 6 legs
I suffered the same misfortune watching the game in South Korea … and there is no extending my already 2.5 hour lunch that I came in at 5:30AM to facilitate.
Sadly, I don’t see any cable network even blushing at the inconvenience to the Portland market. that is unless our metro population tops 3 million. I’m a proponent of outbreeding to beat the TNT market stats, so three kids it is for me on my way back to the motherland.
patience my son ...
by luna on Apr 19, 2010 5:25 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Totally rec'd
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
but..but..
i love snickers…
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
Just substitute your cravings
with a Blazers broadcasting-approved alternative!
Consider dining at one of the many local restaurant ads (including one of the Asian places where the volume of the commercial is turned way down); try the food at the Spirit Mountain Casino; or simply opt for one of the hundreds of other items at your local fast food joint (McDonald’s not included)~!
“I’m on the 401 BK plan!”
“Yeah, I heard you… problem is, this isn’t a sandwich. It’s a tortata.”
“Give me more chicken!”
Portland > Tacoma
by CaptainSexyJacob on Apr 19, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll boycott too
The tax credit commercial wasn’t ’the government." That was the National Realtors Association. Pretty easy to boycott a realtor that belongs to that group
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
they don't ALL belong to this?? I bet they do!
I think the commercials are placed by the network, and NOT the advertiser. How does anyone know if the advertiser said…“YEAH, LET’S MAKE SURE OUR COMMERCIAL AIRS AND CUTS INTO THE VIEWING TIME OF THE GAME”…..I think I would verify this before boycotting these products.
Dave, please check into this if possible.
McDonald’s completely sponsors the Blazers at the Rose Garden. I am not a McDonald’s fan as a place to eat, that is…but I’d bet McDonald’s didn’t choose this tact.
The threat of a boycott
Is effective enough if the advertiser sees the result of the mishandling of their stock in trade.
I was basically saying not to buy a house
Not all belong to it. It’s a lobby basically, like the AMA. They should support it, but it’s not necessarily necessary. Now, there may be licensing and self-regulatory elements in certain states, but on a federal level, it’s not necessary to be a member. I don’t think anyway. I’m pretty much guessing here, so….
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
...
Worst part is one of the commercials had amare in it… while the game was going. was kind of funny and sad
- www.ichabodmedia.com
- www.portugaltheman.com
by brandonmitchell on Apr 19, 2010 5:57 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I sort of simulcast it...kind of...
I automatically turned on the radio at 7:30 and muted the tv to get my fix. TNT has me programed pretty well. Didn’t miss a moment. As a fan I would have rather heard “wheeels” make the call than the TNT dudes, although the prognostication of Miller’s outrageous trey was the best part of the broadcast. The delay always kill that action. Isn’t there a service that synchronizes the two? Blazers in 6!
I'm right with you on this one.
Though I was already boycotting Haier for showing the two guys cheering the Lebron James goaltend on Brandon Roy that cost us that game. And already boycotting Capital One for failing to correct their error for four months, all while charging us fees for their error. And my wife has been boycotting Snickers since they were indirectly responsible for her being ashamed of her High School senior pictures (and after abandoning them, now looks super-hot, if I say so myself).
I never thought the Most interesting Man in the World was ever that interesting. I assumed that Autotrader couldn’t possibly be as easy as their fantasy commercial appeared. McDonalds makes my stomach hurt for days. I’ll probbly be too poor to buy a house from a realtor, as HoboBob pointed out above. And if the NBA really cared, we’d know without the NBA jamming it down our throats.
So boycott this list? Sure, not a problem.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Has anyone ever actually seen a Haier appliance anywhere?
I think it’s a made up brand designed to fluff up the advertising for TNT
Miller, Camby and Howard FTW. Love me the geezers.
Haha
I’ve wondered about that too, cause I have yet to see any – not even one of their TVs. I seriously hate their song/jingle/whatever you want to call it, so I’d buy a different simply for aesthetic reasons, but that’s probably just me.
I had a haier air conditioner
before we installed central air
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
We have a Haier mini fridge at the office. It leaves today.
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a Haier Mini Fridge in my room
Luckily its on loan and will be going back to its owner now.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
17 billion in sales during 2008. Fourth largest white goods manufacturer in the world.
I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!
We will go higher
we will fly higher
for today is something something…
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." -- Darwin
by Y5k on Apr 19, 2010 4:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ditto
The games are already too long with all the timeouts and interruptions in the 4th quarter, and TNT is making it obvious they’ll milk that 4th quarter for all it’s worth (even at the expense of the following games.) Terrible.
Thanks to the NBA TV schedulers I won’t even be watching the next two games on TV (No I’m not in the Portland area, and I don’t even have the option of NBATV.) Thank you, atdhe!!
Wow that is too bad....I thought all the providers had NBA-TV
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't get NBA tv either
I’ve asked the cable company several times, but no go. So I’ll probably rely on the internet streams out there, yuck.
I noticed the 4th quarter of the Dallas SA game actually wound down quickly
The effect of which was totally neutralized by the addition of all that commercial time.
I can't get NBA TV nor league pass nor are the games usually broadcast on TV.
So it’s a bummer to have TNT mess up my between-work schedule of morning bball with such nonsense.
They seem to think people tune in for Kenny and chuck more than the game. And they couldn’t be more wrong.
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." -- Darwin
by Y5k on Apr 19, 2010 4:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Same here !!
This why I do not like watching any type of sports on TNT, TBS , ESPN, Etc. The only team they like out here in the West is the L*kers. Its going to be hard for me when I drop my $175 a month Comcast for Direct TV. GO BLAZERS !!!
by alexnikozach on Apr 19, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
In Corvallis, Comcast doesn't have HD for KGW, we get the crap station from Eugene.
So there’s your reason.
But I did suck it in and put up with fuzz-o-vision for ten minutes last night.
TNT are a bunch of idiots. They’re only just now starting to figure up that their season-long hype of the fading Spurs and grossly overrated Suns might not be the brightest bits of sports prognostication in human history.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Hey, they weren't wrong about everything!!!
I heard them say LeBron will win the MVP. I think they have something there.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
But if you move to Albany you can get KGW
I would do it
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding. That's sorta like having to move to the Democratic People's Republic of the Congo to get government health care...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Which feed does lebanon get?
(jk)
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
They still don't have television yet....
But there are some very talented banjo-players from there…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
And Sweet Home? They still bang rocks together and hum when they want to make music...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
lol
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Stupid middle east fighting
don’t they know what is important?? Sports of course!
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
What? What politics?
That dude can ball.
Did you see that 3 he dropped on that TV reporter the other day?
Whap.
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." -- Darwin
by Y5k on Apr 19, 2010 4:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm in pdx and I watched the national broadcast.
I can’t stand Barrett. If they could get Calabro and partner him with Rice I’d be back in a heartbeat.
by Free Bayless on Apr 19, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I always thought Barrett was a much more professional broadcaster, although not that exciting to listen to maybe. Rice, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to have much of a filter between what he thinks and says out loud, and he’s a bit too much of a homer for me, which is saying a lot.
^this
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
that's what makes Rice awesome
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
i actually like rice. he's funny in a senile kinda way
barrett is way more biased and annoying. just note how he accentuates EVERY blazer bucket regardless of its importance, while essentially denigrating even amazing shots by opponents.
and his patented “traveled with the ball, and scores” defeatist call is so draining.
the case against the M&M's really doesn't hold chocolate
the primary reason for calling them homers is because they are broadcasters that root for the home team – not because they display overwhelming bias in giving credit where credit is due.
Rice, for all his attacks on referees, fully admits it when he gets it wrong. Barret does have a tendency to focus on questionable traveling – but the idea that he denigrates opposition shots is both not true and highly unfair to Barret.
Those guys give the opponent their due – in my mind – too often. If you want to attack them – call them out for their style – but not for being fans of the Blazers. Homerism isn’t a disease, and they don’t believe every call is against the Blazers or for the other team. It just isn’t true.
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, but we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times on an average broadcast that Mike and Mike hype up something in favor of Portland if they do well, or take away from accomplishments the other team is achieving.
Sure, sometimes they’ll admit when their initial reaction to a call is incorrect, but that’s certainly not the norm.
Homerism isn’t a disease…if you’re a fan. As journalists, however, that’s anything but something to strive for.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
They aren’t journalists, they’re hype men. Duh. They work for the Blazers not some independent entity like espn or the oregonian etc.
I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!
by pxilpooshr on Apr 19, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I know why they're like that. The Blazers nudge them in that direction.
I was just taught that it shouldn’t matter who signs your checks. When you’re relaying information to the public, the truth is all that should matter.
But it’s clearly what the organization wants, and it’s not changing any time soon.
Just another reason why I love the playoffs. National broadcasts.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
You miss my point. What you were taught, about conveying truth, is related to journalists. THEY AREN’T JOURNALISTS. I’m not jokingly calling them hype men. I’m not saying they’re journalists who behave like hype men. They actually are PAID to be hype men. It’s like expecting journalistic integrity from Jay Leno. He’s going to hype whatever movie his guest is promoting. Period.
I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!
I figured that's what you were going for.
I was trying to be idealistic.
That probably doesn’t pay as well.
Draft Kevin Calabro
Yes! Yes! In the face!
It like complaining that you pool boy isn’t a good plumber. Of course he isn’t, he’s a pool boy.
I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!
For my taste
our broadcasters are bad broadcasters
I think you confuse emphasis with truth
M&M have a prescribed context for the information they relay to the audience – but they manage to identify cause and effect within their technical capabilities.
Mike R. is better at that than Mike B. – because he has a professional basketball background (not sure if he played pro-ball, but he was paid to coach).
However, both do make honest attempts to describe what it is happening and how it affected the game. When the Blazers stink, they say so.
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I know that Mike R. was drafted ....I think by the Pistons
he has mentioned it a few times….it was in …like…the 7th round or something. I don’t know if he ever played
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
You might havre a point ...
… if Barrett and Rice were reporting on the team.
They are not. They are announcing the games. There is a difference. A significant one.
Sort of like me saying you do a lousy job as a brain surgeon, when your job is to scrub the toilets at the hospital.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
In this case they are also bad at scrubbing toliets imo
I switched over to KGW yesterday and literally in less than a minute the Mikes were whining about the refs and denigrating the PHX crowd. That’s low rent in my opinion. You can root for the Blazers without resorting to that.
I guess first round of playoffs is best case for those in Portland in that we can choose which broadcast we prefer.
When Mike Rice said that the Phoenix fans didn’t know what they were talking about because they have rocks in their yards, I laughed for about a minute.
I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!
Mike Rice doesn't make me laugh. He only makes me sigh.
Or he occasionally makes me clutch the sides of my head and start screaming “MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!!!” But that’s about it.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I for 1 will stick with Barrett.
A huge upgrade from the past. Pat Lafferty anyone!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
by We-B-Dunkin on Apr 19, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget Pranica.
As much as I wish I never had to hear a Barrett-called game again, I’d gladly take him over Pranica. Eddie Doucette was no treat either.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Oh thats right Eddie Douchette.
TURRIBLE!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
by We-B-Dunkin on Apr 19, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Lafferty and Pranica were awful
Barrett is very good
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
you know if they were being broadcast Nationally they wouldnt be successful, because they would need to be fair to both teams, and play it more down the middle. It is obvious that some sports casters have a bias, but try hard to give credit where credit is due…
but Mike and Mike are broadcasting to the state of the Blazers…
so if school taught you anything, you dont give a speech at microsoft and talk about how great APPLE is…..
Also this isnt nightly news with Brian Jennings… its a sports cast…
you seriously need to go back to school I think you missed a few things.
clarifying things
sportscasters that try to give credit where credit is due are NATIONAL BROADCASTERS not local media.
and mike and mike are broadcasting to LOCAL MEDIA not a national broadcast…
That said,
I don’t see them as journalists. And if we’re evaluating journalists, most sports writers are horrible journalists.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Although ironically sports gets better coverage than most other subjects.
Because sports journalists know a lot more about sports than other journalists usually know about topic X.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
Come on now
Those two need each other. That’s like cereal without milk, or SNL without Ferrell, just not as good or quite the same. Those two bounce off of each other with perfect harmony. Rice making the outlandish calls and Barret being there to bring him back to reality with a witty comment. One is dead sober while the other is 4 or 5 gin and tonics deep.
They COULD have showed us the beginning of the game.
I was ready to watch the game on TNT….but switched to KGW since they were showing commercials. They were about to tip off, I switched back to TNT thinking the commercials would end. When it became clear to me I was about to miss the tipoff, I switched back. TNT deliberately chose to air commercials at the beginning of that game instead of the Blazer game, and they continued to do so for four or five minutes.
Maybe we can get the Suns to boycott their next three games?
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Anger takes dedication and a lot of hard work.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
This is where an international community comes in handy
I’ll boycott Uncle Sam for you, to make sure he gets the message, too.
I was already boycotting McDonalds, though perhaps that isn’t fair. They’ve not really had much success in these parts since the Glencoe massacre.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!
by jscot on Apr 19, 2010 7:34 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for history.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Tell them how long they've been boycotting England, Mr. Scot...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
If the Glencoe massacre
…was the last time MacDonalds had any success, then we’re in trouble. Personally, I was boycotting the soupy Campbells after that one.
Ah well, it’s all a bunch of Kroc.
by HowlinJoeWolf on Apr 19, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Money
I have a very limited background in broadcasting, but TV is all about money and advertising. You are correct, the audience and content comes second. It’s unfair, I agree, but that’s the reality of things.
Oh yeah, Nobody buys Haier anyway. ..AND McDonald’s coffee drinks suck too.
Ok, back the euphoria!
send this to TNT
If you dont let them know how you feel, they will just assume everything is going great.
I also was set to watch the game on TNT, but they missed tipoff, so I ended up watching on KGW. Seems like they paid the price in viewers.
Send THIS to TNT
Some guy on a blog (even a big blog) complaining means nothing.
Losing viewers means everything, and knowing that you changed channels will have more of an impact than knowing that Dave is complaining.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!
Dave,
I think you are over the line here. The advertisers did not have anything to do with missing some portion of the Blazers game. It’s luck of the draw which adverts were selected to run during that time, or perhaps, that the program directors chose to cut from earlier in the game for whatever reason. It’s absolutely not McDonald’s or Dos Equis fault that their commercial was running while the tip-off happened. Whatever stipulations they have with when they’re commercials are run probably aren’t any different than they are for other sporting events (probably like, X # of runs, and at least one during halftime, one pre and one post for every playoff game, e.g.).
Point to it short, this is like Jennifer Aniston flipping off the line cook in Office Space
M, period. Fresh, comma.
That may be true ....but the only leverage ....and it is very little....is with the advertisers
soo….stay strong Dave….fight the power
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
We can only apply preassure on advertisers. Stop watching games IS NOT an option.
By the way, where could Dave find this idea of pulling the merchants out of our basketball temple?
But stop watching TNT IS an option,
especially when alternatives exist in KGW.
I suppose if you’re out of town though (like me) you have no other option…
how do you watch games in Spain?
Portland > Tacoma
by CaptainSexyJacob on Apr 19, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
We have International League Pass and the Spanish satellite broadcaster Canal Plus.
The problem is that Canal Plus frequently delays games broadcasting one or two days, and these ones are blackouted by League Pass, so we have to use illegal streams if we want to watch the game live.
Drink Oregon beer... it's better - McDonald's is not even food... nobody should ever eat there
I learned all the sneaky tricks from the master himself. Maurice (Lucas) helped me control my emotions, always told me to never get even right away, let it go, never react in the heat of the moment and get even later when the refs aren’t looking. Believe me, I got my revenge on many nights thanks to his advice. "-Xavier Mcdaniel
First time all year my Tivo cut off
It’s programmed to go over an extra hour and quit with 3 seconds to go. I was within about a minute of live anyway, but I missed the very ending.
How does a non-overtime game go more than an hour over?
Maybe in your world.
Our world involves not being in the Portland area. :(
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Well...
At least you guys have an avenue to watch the game. It might not be ideal (I’d personally gouge my eyeballs out if I had to deal with TNT to get my Blazers), but it’s better than the radio.
Personally I love Mike and Mike (but I’m a big homer…almost as much as them).
I like listening to Wheels broadcast on the radio.
If I could, I’d mute the TV and turn the radio up, but unfortunately, I live in Kansas now, and 95.5 wont stream the broadcasts, so I’m stuck with TNT and whatever the networks give me for the playoffs. (Regular season, I watch the local broadcasts with the Mikes’, on-line)
It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden
by SandyTrailBlazer on Apr 19, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about the Playoffs,
but in the reg seasopn NBA All Access will let you listen to the radio broadcasts for free, and you get to choose either teams broadcast usually.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
Dave with the rant
Righteous
Some people say that cats are sneaky, evil, and cruel. True, and they have many other fine qualities as well. - Missy Dizick
word...
TNT is absolute crap. From the announcers on down, just turrible, turrible stuff. Lets extend this boycott to the pointless all-star game too.
Here here Dave
To have our fevered anticipation trampled by commercials is blatantly corporatist. I too despise TNT for this avoidable offense to NBA fans. They didn’t even have the courtesy to take us out for Blazers v. Suns tipoff before taking us back to the Spurs-Mavs. I’ve said it before, I don’t think this situation would have played out if it was the L*kers or other big market team in the nightcap. Either the L*kers game would get further delayed or they would resort to split coverage to keep us reminded of who the NBA really cares about.
In other matters, why do Kenny and Charles have such a hard time giving the Blazers due respect? It’s easy to dis on a team when it hasn’t proven itself in the playoffs, but there seems to be a reluctance to discuss the Blazers in a positive light. How can they repeatedly do this when they know there’s a better than average chance the Blazers start cleaning up in a couple of years. When the Blazers do start dominating the conversation in a year or two I can only imaging there will be more studio pranks and commercials to fill the uncomfortable half-time and post-game silence.
In Kenny’s defense, last night he seemed like the only voice of reason. Weber and Barkley were both “shocked” and Kenny said something like, “I don’t know why you guys are shocked.” Then later he said something like, “I’m surprised, but I wouldn’t say ‘shocked’.”
The experts always talk about how when the playoffs come around:
- Defense wins Championships: the physical, defensive teams generally fare well
- Live by the 3, Die by the 3: the up-tempo, 3-point-jacking, no-defense-playing teams inevitably have a subpar shooting night and drop an ugly game
It never ceases to amaze me that guys like Barkley and Weber will use this line of thinking about why the Spurs will win, but can’t think about the Blazers in the same light.
"Maybe your parents didn't believe in you."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Apr 19, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
More and more of Chuck's brain dies every year, getting to the point that it's making even Kenny sound almost knowledgeable by comparison....
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I think you are correct
Kenny really just said what anyone paying attention should have known.
by Dominator13 on Apr 19, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously though, Chuck is slurring like Muhammad Ali or me after 12 beers these days...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
last night was pretty bad
first time that condition really jumped up and said “notice me”….
by blacknoiseNW on Apr 19, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Barkley's brain is petrified in the past,
he just sucks up to his established star sidekicks. The worst is his idea that it is somehow entertaining for the audience to sit and watch him giggle at his undefined inside jokes…. the big joke being, and I can’t blame him for laughing, is that they pay him for it. I just kill the sound.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
At least we got the pairing of Kevin Harlan and Doug Collins.
Of all the NBA commentator duos on TNT/ESPN/ABC, they are my favorite, or at least my least disfavorite.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Dave’s rant FTW!…speaking of FTW, in the spirit of the playoffs
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 19, 2010 8:28 AM PDT reply actions
Luckily, I didn’t trust the Dish Network programming guide that said Dateline was on KGW and flipped it over just to make sure. Much to my delight there were the Mikes talking smack about how horrible the Suns fans are. Even though I didn’t get burned by the ads like many of you did, you can add me to the boycott.
During the KGW broadcast they kept showing Comcast Sportsnet’s stupid adventure host show commercials. Once I switch to Verizon Fios so I can get the Blazer games (if/when this isn’t resolved next season) I will boycott every show on Comcast Sportsnet except the Blazers/Ducks games. Screw TNT, Comcast, and everyone on that list.
"Maybe your parents didn't believe in you."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Apr 19, 2010 8:34 AM PDT reply actions
Welcome to the neighborhood . . .
I’ve bee in COINCAST boycott mode (and all it’s sponsors) for THREE
years !! Only SEVEN to go !
DOWN WITH COINSY !! I hope they go belly up tommorrow !
Oh, sorry. I forgot they are a GIANT bloated Monopoly who thrives on blacking out
entire areas of the country !!
It's GO time !
Clearly TNT is traveling through space at near the spped of light
because as Dave mentions things that routinely take 2.5 hours here on earth take 3 hours + on TNT.
by Dominator13 on Apr 19, 2010 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
LOL and rec.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
so rec’d
#52
"We have nothing to lose." - Martell
by Cablinasian on Apr 19, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Is this rant pointing in the right direction?
I look for “I’m forced to” or “I have to”. I don’t know about anyone else but for the last 5 years the only commercials that I watch are the ones I stop on like the eTrade babies, etc. My habit when I’m watching any sport is to press pause and go find something to do for 45 minutes. I don’t have to watch the commercials.
If you don’t have a dvr then it’s a little annoying because you don’t know when to come back but you still have the choice.
Back in the day, I watched about three games on tv before I realized that I could listen to Bill Schonely instead of Brent Mushburger or whoever else the was broadcasting on tv.
I think your rightousness meter is going off but you’re blaming the wrong thing. The issue, it seems to me, is covering up part of the game. Complaining about the commercials or that they didn’t say nice things about the Blazers… please.
The main beef is the 5 mins of commercials following the previous game, causing him to miss part of the 1st quarter.
All the DVR’s in the world wont help that.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
How about the commentary after the game?
I watched the local broadcast, but switched to TNT to hear what they thought of the game. They pretty much didn’t give the Blazers any credit and said the Suns lost the game. Barkely is an idiot! can’t stand to hear him flap his mouth.
They never do
Any time we win on TNT they have spent at least 80% of the broadcast talking either not about us at all or about how the other team failed.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Great Rant
I cant stand TNT, but at least during the commentary, they covered the game. I cant think of who it was, but the last game we had on ESPN, they didn’t even talk about the game at all, it was all Van Gundy telling stories.
It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden
by SandyTrailBlazer on Apr 19, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions
True dat. At least TNT gave us Doug Collins, who knows his stuff...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
this will be tough
I will not eat Snickers bars
snickers=awesome
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
A side note about why the Blazers dont get much recognition throughout the USA
I moved from Oregon about 6 months ago, and now I live in the Central Time Zone. What this means, is games like last nights TNT broadcast dont get over with until around 1am, and most people have to get up for work the next day. So for the average fan, accross the Country, you rarely get to see a Blazer game unless its on ESPN or, most likely, the second game of a TNT broadcast. What that means is that the game doesn’t even start until 10 or 11 pm, and TNT games are usually on Thursday night, so you have to work the next morning. Long story short, the its not the “small” fanbase in Portland that keeps our players from getting more recognition, its the fact that all our games don’t come on until after everyone else is in bed. And the SportsCenter Highlights from the late games won’t be shown until even later, so its like the Blazers dont even exist.
And the reason this isn’t the same for the Lakers, is that everytime the Lake Show heads east, all those games are broadcast on eastern time.
It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden
by SandyTrailBlazer on Apr 19, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions
Can I boycot my wife?
I set the game to record on my DVR last week after the last game of the season, I talked about how I was looking forward to the game all weekend. But I was busy helping out some friends which is why i had to record it on the DVR, I get home and I kiss my wife, say hello, and tell her I am going to watch the game, to which she reply’s, “what game?” to which I reply, “the Blazer’s playoff game that I recorded!”, to which she replied, “nothing recorded.”.
Needless to say, my reaction to that comment can not be repeated here under the terms of use Dave has set out. It was not a total loss as I got home around 9:30pm, and was able to watch the 4th qtr. I am still amazed, this game was about the only thing I talked about all weekend, i couldn’t wait for Sunday night to watch the game, I said many times. Yet there she was, sitting on the couch watching Bill Cosby reruns, and oblivious to the fact that the game was not recording.
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Sounds like someone needs a little talk about priorities....
Though I admin I’m a lucky man, my wife records the games for me without prompting. She’s even familiar with the standard vs. HD broadcasts, and now even knows that I don’t worry so much about the CSN games, because they’re on again later in the evening.
Unfortunately for me, I’m getting to a point where I can barely watch the games live anymore. I’m getting to an age where the blood pressure might kill me. Much mellower experience to know the outcome and just watch the action a few hours after it’s over.
see: "passive agressive"
she can’t be that dumb.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Am I the only one who heard Chuck talk #$@%
about Mississippi and Arkansas? If I were from either of those states watching Chuck and his rediculous comments about how “At least I’m not from Mississippi or Arkansas” I would be ten times as angry as what we’re angry about.
Miller > Turkeyglue
Standard line of those from southern states
Is “At least we’re not from Mississippi” but yeah that’s bad.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Its hard for me to get mad at anything Barkley says
He’s become nothing more than a gimmick anymore. Half the time they don’t event talk about basketball, just about his golf swing, or how much he likes donuts of something. That and all the T-Mobile commercials have just turned him into a walking punch-line.
It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden
by SandyTrailBlazer on Apr 19, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions
Dave
Snickers is a product of Mars Corp which also makes/distributes/pays for advertising of MM’s , mars bars, dove bars, dove products, pedigree dog food , wiskas cat food, uncle ben’s rice/food products and flavia coffee .
be careful boycotting you may starve!
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
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" It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong" - Idoltime
Wow. I think you're the first person in almost two years of me being on this blog to get that.
Or a lot of people knew where it was from and just said nothing. Either way, it’s one of my favorite basketball quotes that has nothing to do with basketball.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
yeah and it's all crap!
I learned all the sneaky tricks from the master himself. Maurice (Lucas) helped me control my emotions, always told me to never get even right away, let it go, never react in the heat of the moment and get even later when the refs aren’t looking. Believe me, I got my revenge on many nights thanks to his advice. "-Xavier Mcdaniel
I don't mind those
Its silly but so what.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Way better than having to watch KG pretending to be humble for 3200 spots a season, like last year...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You don't see as much of that charity stuff during NFL, NHL or MLB broadcasts.
I have an idea or two why…
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Stern is all about the league's image
Remember when he instituted the “sideline apparel” rule a few seasons back? This is another one of those things.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I still don't see what was so wrong
with Shaq wearing his pajamas to that game several years ago….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Apr 19, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree on MLB and don't know about NHL,
but, the NFL is just as bad with the United Way commercials.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
Just remember...
When you see the NBA or any other business advertising about their charity work, chances are they spend 10x more on the ads than on the actual charity.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
You know what's even worse than watching the NBA on TNT?
Going to those games. You can tell that the TV timeouts are about double the normal length. ESPN’s by contrast are maybe 30 seconds longer.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Of all the things in the world to get worked up about ....
… this one has to done near the bottom of the bucket.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Missing the 1st 10mins (real time) of a playoff game is bottom of the bucket?
You are off base on this one
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure it was 10 minutes?
The score was 5 – 4 Portland when I tuned in. I may even have missed a bit as I was switching back and forth from the Mavs game and R. Lee Ermey talking about shotguns.
I doubt I have strayed far from base. In the big scheme of things it is only a basketball game. And basketball games, or games of any sort, are not all that important. If one is really, really excited about it, there is the radio. Believe it or not, that is how millions of people used to follow their favorite sports team.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
by timg56 on Apr 19, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a good point.
I listened to the Schonz for years every game, even when it was on TV I would turn down the volume & listen to the radio. In some ways I miss those days. The Schonz was the best!
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
by We-B-Dunkin on Apr 19, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah pretty sure...about 3-4 mins of game time which probably equals 10 mins of real time (guess on my part)
“In the big scheme of things it is only a basketball game. And basketball games, or games of any sort, are not all that important.”
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
SBN posted early ...here is the rest
I am sure the above quote is true…and if Dave’s rant was posted on a News, Political, or Religious website then your comment would have been relevant. However since this is a website that covers the Portland Trail Blazers …a basketball team…that plays basketball games…that Dave has literally devoted years to, not to mention the reason we all visit this site. In that context, I think it is a reasonable request that he (we) get to see the game…all of the game …especially a playoff game. And while Schonz was awesome, (and I have listened to hundreds of games on the radio, as I am sure Dave has) Schonz’s …or Wheels’ …or anyone you else you can name’s description of a game just cannot compare to seeing the action with your own eyes. So if Dave wants to get worked up about something like this …I would say he is entitled.
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not critizing Dave for ranting.
I was making the observation that it probably isn’t worth the effort.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Maybe not...but it got bumped nationally by Henry
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
3-4 minutes of game time sounds right.
I misunderstood you the first time.
Still, while I will no doubt swear at the tv set whenever a game I want to see gets eaten into by one I don’t, by the end of the day I don’t care all that much. I could have missed half the game and still gone to bed happy with a Blazer victory.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I had the same thought about not buying products from the sponsors in that block of ads while waiting for the switch
Some ideas for TNT:
- Plan time blocks of 2:45 instead of 2:30 for games on back to back to back nights
- Cut 1 stupid joke per TNT crew segment, as Dave suggested
- Delay the start of the next game by 5 more minutes. I know you have the power of TV timeouts
- Split screen during games or commercials with the new game in a small window. Have you heard of it? My channel carrying F1 races does it all the time so you don’t miss key moments while the race goes on.
TNT really is the worst of the networks at budgeting time correctly. Maybe on the planet.
Or start the game on TBS and switch over as it ends
ESPN does that all the time with stuff airing on ABC.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
tnt already has a ton of split screen crap
adding something that wasnt crap would ruin their crap to non-crap ratio
#88
I appreciate some indignation...
And I support you Dave, in your abstinence!
Fact is, I’ve been avoiding the products I see advertised on TV most of my life. Always figured there is no value in buying something when the company that makes it is spending so much on advertising. I want to pay for the thing I buy, not TV ads!
Thankless job, though.
:)
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
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"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Apr 19, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lettuce is one catchy jingle away from being over exposed.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
Yeah, and Ho-Ho-Ho, they're putting it in plastic and marking it with brand names these days...
There just might be an opening for CABBAGE in the interim on next year’s post-sponsors list…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I prefer cabbage to lettuce and am all for it making a comeback.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
TNT and ESPN market individuals not teams
The Blazers, especially without Roy get little respect because they play a team game, not a star game. NBA always markets games as “LeBron and the Cavs against Derek Rose and the Bulls” (insert name of star before the name of the team). Chuckles and Kenny never give any credit to the Blazers as a team. Last night’s after game session was a joke when Chuckles was talking about how Steve Nash dominates. Dude – look at Dre’s stats, he was the one who was dominating and maybe worth a mention. The sports casters all talk about how the Suns lost, not about how the Blazers won. If I were to boycott something, it would be the TNT halftime and after game clown show – but I’m waiting for them in the near future – to eat their words on air after more Blazer wins.
by Holybackboards on Apr 19, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions
Let's express ourselves...
These aren’t producer’s, and are just the PR people, but I’ve found PR people to always know who the RIGHT person is to relay a message too…
http://turner.tekgroup.com/pr_contacts.cfm?aff_id=2594
Converting Sonics Fans In Seattle...all aboard!
Whoops, Turner is a division of Time-Warner.
Bye bye Warner Bros. movies and Time magazine for Dave…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
More options
1) BE Army could overwhelm their online complaint systems:
http://support.tnt.tv/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic
2) BE Army could send old-fashioned letters:
TNT
1010 Techwood Dr. NW
Atlanta GA 30318
3) BE Army could overwhelm the telephone lines
Viewer Comment and Question Line is 404-885-4538.
My email to TNT:
Hi,
I recorded last night’s Portland/Phoenix NBA game, and upon completion of the first game, missed several minutes of live game action while TNT refused to cut to live action.
I will use a competitor’s channel for all future NBA games until a policy change is instituted whereby a switch to live game action immediately following the first game is instituted.
TNT dropped the ball big time last night, but I must ask
where is this same rightous indignation when a significant portion of Blazer fans can’t watch any of the 60-70 regular season games only on Comcast? I’d much rather make Paul Allen’s wallet hurt than TNT’s if it’s about access to the games. From the same lovely Vulcan’s who brought you Blazer Cable and blacked out WCF games during the Drexler era for what it’s worth. Just saying…
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
Truth be told, the first 5 minutes off the clock in an NBA game is decisive about 0.0037% of the time.
TNT likes money, welcome to capitalism.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
For further illustration about greedy and incompetent networks see: The Olympics, each and every Olympics, since forever until forever...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You want responsibility in advertising sales of a sporting event? Check out the Masters next year...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Batum scored 5 points that I never saw
And I want to see those points scored!
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Apr 19, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
The only way we deal with the non love from the national media
Is keep winning, here’s to bumrushing Phoenix in game 2 and getting a stranglehold on this series.
Let's just choke them out in four games. I could go for that.
Phoenix really isn’t a very good team, it’s possible, although not having Roy hurts.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
With Roy, Portland wins this series in 5 or 6.
Without? I hate to say it, but I can easily see this going 7.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Dear Dave,
I feel your pain. The unfortunate part about your rant was rubbing in
the 82 games you get to watch each season. Some of us only get to watch about
20 games per season, thanks to COINCAST and Blazer business
managements horrible cable TV deal. I would gladly watch 7/8 of each of
those games and not buy or freqent any of those business sponsors.
I’m sorry that we have to watch TNT for anything, but some of us are just
happy that COINCAST is out of the monopoly business for the playoffs.
P.S. – Great job guys, but please make your open dunks and free throws to
avoid serious stoke issues among the Blazermaniacs !!
GO Blazers !!!
COINCAST STILL SUCKS !!!!
It's GO time !
That sucks (like COINCAST).
Thanks to KGW & a few national TV games, there is some relief from
COINCAST. Of course, I have to watch at my folks house since I cancelled
my DirecTV soon after the signing of this horrendous blunder by Blazer business
management.
Of course, we need not despair since Wharry Miller is taking the Blazers brand GLOBAL !
Great job, Wharry. Now back to Philly where you belong; as a COINCAST flunky !
COINCAST SUCKS !!
TNT rules ! Well sometimes.
It's GO time !
Just to spite Dave, I'm going to...
Go buy a Haier refridgerator on my Capital One credit card, while shopping online for a new car using Auto Trader and drinking a dos equis (car shopping while drinking should be illegal, you know), and eating a snickers bar while drinking my premium roast mcdonalds coffee.
Boo-yah!
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
KGW
I love Doug Collins, but I was happy to watch the game on KGW and thought they did a good job upping the product for the big game (same commercials, which is disconcerting—you’d think they’d be upselling right now). That’ll be the only option for the next two games, anyway (unless you have broke-ass NBA TV). Might as well get used to it.
I expected this to happen, I had it on KGW for the first few minutes. Then I checked out TNT, it was
going through commercials in live game action. I hate TNT too for that. But mostly, I don’t like how they talk about the Blazers like they don’t belong. It’s Phoenix’s game to lose alway.
They don’t say Portland too the game, they say Phoenix is the better team that lost it.
TNT was just looking to maximize the effectiviness of ads by getting you in a position where you wouldn't move a muscle.
seriously though… no more Snickers?
That’s a huge sacrifice.
Being insistent when you're wrong is just really, really annoying.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions
hmmm, let me look over that list
Haier – I don’t need new appliances.
Dos Equis beer. – I’m already the most interesting man in my world and I don’t like Mexican beer
AutoTrader.com – I don’t need a new car
Capital One – I’m still sick of the “Ivan Brother’s” commercials from the NCAA tourney, and I don’t need more debt
Snickers – Allergic to peanuts, so no thanks
McDonalds – I don’t need diarrhea
NBA cares – Why is the NBA still trying to make over their image and convince people they care? The NBA should care about it’s product ON THE COURT.
Most inexplicably NOT Clark Kellogg?
Addicted to Quack
you don’t need diarrhea?
as opposed to people that do need diarrhea
#88
by pipgras on Apr 19, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dave, I almost think you are being facetious.
I implored you at least 3 times in the last couple of years to get involved w/ the Comcast fiasco. I agree w/ walkoff 41 and blazeraddict about this issue being a bit minor in the big scheme of corporate screwing of loyal fans. You have never gotten involved in the Comcast issue, which has always disappointed me, and made me think that you are either scared of angering Blazer management, or you only care if it happens to you. Neither one being very admirable. I respect and appreciate everything else I know about you, though.
I'm with Dave
If there is any reason to boycott, it’s for the sake of the Blazers. Besides, I knew the NBA didn’t care the minute Kobe the rapist appeared on screen.
Way to stick it to the man!
"If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season" - jksnake99
"...black on black. my favorite!" - portlandgiirl91
You guys seem to think that this is a big conspiracy against the Blazers.
Really, it’s not. It’s TNT meeting contractual obligations with its advertisers. If the advertisers requirements are not met, then TNT wont have the ability to show games at all.
Besides, if you watched the NBA all weekend like I did, you’d notice that this happened several times on TNT, not just to the Blazers. It’s just the way it goes.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
I don't think he ever said it was just the Blazers
I think he is against the process regardless of who is playing….and as others have said ….it isn’t the commercials as much as the scheduling of the games in the first place. Watch the NFL during the playoffs…they have a buffer between games so this doesn’t happen. TNT could easily do the same
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
TNT doesn't MAKE the schedule.
They have authority (I believe an agreement with the NBA) to push back a game up to 15 minutes. Beyond that, its on the onus of the NBA to space out games so that nothing gets cut off.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Then whoever makes the decision should make the correct one
BTW it doesn’t surprise me it is the league that decides this ….they make a lot of the decisions that get blamed on other entities….like blackout rules for instance
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
did the camera angles piss anyone else off?
I have never seen so many bad camera angles! Its like there was a cameraman walking around the stadium, and trying to find the most annoying angle to watch a play from. I don’t want artsy, I want clear and consistent!
THE Poobah of Prognostication 2008
I agree
There was one shot where the upright for the hoop was obscuring all the action in the paint. It was the first time I ever thought " this camera angle is ridiculous and doesn’t work. Who the heck is running this show?"
Miller, Camby and Howard FTW. Love me the geezers.
by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 19, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear Dave
Whatch out for the homebuyers tax credit. It has the best chance of getting you audited.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/apr/16/tax-credit-ups-risk-of-audit/
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Apr 19, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
Reasons I avoid national basketball coverage
1. Missing the start of games, almost always.
2. Lack of replays! ESPN, TNT, ABC never seem to replay any fouls, or questionable calls, I don’t know about you but I like to get another look at things to see if my initial reaction was correct. DVR can only do so much.
3. I like the commentary to be at least RELATED to the basketball game. One of the last regular season games on national TV, I counted 6 possessions in which the 3 commentators said not a word about the game, baskets were made, shots were missed, fouls were called and they didn’t mention it, they were too busy talking about themselves or something random.
4. The split screen, I don’t want your pointless facts about B-Roy’s scoring in the 3rd quarter after the 3 minute mark when he has 2-fouls. If you’re going to give me these facts don’t take 3/4 of the screen to do so during play.
5. Hardly ever point out when the refs make a mistake either way. Although I think the Mikes are very biased they will say things like “blazers caught a break there” etc. whereas the TNT guys will just keep talking about the tie that Barkely is wearing.
6. None of them ever talk about putting mustard on hot dogs.
Reasons to only watch national games
1. Better picture
2. Less chance of the feed just blacking out or losing sound for awhile
3. Hearing Mike Rice say “he put some mustard on that hot dog!”
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
by pklym on Apr 19, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd boycott...
but I already don’t use those products.
I’ll happily be dropping my NBA online feed though. Could never get the blazers when I had time anyway.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Don't hate them for their wheels
not squirm to the bottom of their cushy rolling chair is beyond me.
I have a cushy, rolling chair. I recommend them highly.
One benefit of watching the local broadcast is getting to know what damage Nate was about to do to an official. Mike Barrett apparently knows what evil therein lurks.
Really?
I normally love Dave’s posts but this is a bit of an over reaction. If you really wanna catch the opening moments of the game there are plenty of ways to go about it online. I don’t have Comcast and I was able to watch every single Blazers game beginning to end this year. Do a little research online and find the feeds. There are plenty of good souls out there broadcasting the games semi-legally. This is better than boycotting sponsors that have nothing to do with TNT’s programming and advertising decisions because it directly affects their ratings. Boycott whoever you want but $$$ is king everywhere, including Portland.
Mess with the game, it'll mess with you.
MBux sounds like a TNT executive to me.
Heck, I’ll boycott every product advertised on TNT just to stop Tyler Perry. Or is that TBS? Heck with it, I’ll boycott em all.
NBA: Where pretending to care happens.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Apr 19, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
A TNT exec? I just basically told you to go out and find illegal streams of the game! I hope that was a joke.
Mess with the game, it'll mess with you.
I live off illigal streams
As a sad clown, all I can do is joke.
Maybe you can use your connections at TNT to hook me up with a sitcom.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Apr 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
TBS and TNT are run by basically the same folks
Phil Mickelson: "A Great shot is when you pull it off.....a smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it"’
by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I was delirious when I saw the tip off
and it isn’t right that a lot of people missed that moment.
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Apr 19, 2010 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
I personally knew the TNT coverage would start late, and was lucky enough to live in the Metro area and get KGW to see the tip.
I know a lot of people have issues with the Mikes but if you live local and have the option of watching coverage THAT STARTS ON TIME and choose to watch the national broadcast which never starts coverage of Portland on time, I feel there’s no logic behind complaints.
Now if you’re stuck with only the one source, I definitely feel for you, and know that I’ve been ticked when Portland has been on TNT during the regular season and I miss the first few minutes. It’s complete crap, and the NBA should know their fanbase is being mistreaded as such.
Blazers win!
"(Andre Miller) got a steal of a Brandon Rush pass in the backcourt and with a clear path to the hoop looked like he was actually going to dunk it with those 64-year-old legs. I believe that in true Darryl Dawkins fashion he was going to dub it the Miller-Time Pop-Top Rammin' Jammin' That's-For-TiH-and-his-Spammin' Thunderdawg Special. Unfortunately it got blocked. He did get to go to the line off the play at least. So he settled for calling the free throws "TiH Cheap Shots"." - Dave after a 102-79 beatdown of the Indiana Pacers
Better reasons to boycott
This is one of those times that I realize there’s something essentially different about being one of the members of this community who doesn’t own a television. Some of you may have noticed me scrambling around on certain game days, looking for an internet feed so I could watch a game on my laptop, but watching a game is a rare enough occurrence (and a frequently interupted one, at that) that I haven’t had the chance to grow accustomed to seeing an entire game without losing the feed. But I can imagine how frustrated the rest of you must feel.
I do support the boycott of goods as a means of registering one’s dissatisfaction with a product. Indeed, my decision (reaching back about twenty-five years now) not to own a television is a boycott of sorts, though mainly an attempt to keep my home free of the influence of consumer culture, which comes not only through commercials, but through the examples of consumer choices displayed in most regularly scheduled programs.
So, boycotting is a good thing, and I don’t see a company on that list that I would support anyhow. BUT (and here’s where I make myself even more unpopular), of all the reasons for people to boycott goods or services produced by certain companies, their devious interuption of a basketball game seems fairly low on the list. I’m not going to get all political and catalog the many more serious reasons to boycott certain companies, but I would hope that our newfound activism reaches beyond our outrage at the interuption of our entertainment to issues such as fair treatment of employees, environmental practices, and other socially responsible practices.
Now I’ll duck my head and you can commence pelting me with Snickers wrappers.
by VTDuck on Apr 19, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Whereas I agree and "rec" this, I have to add ...
… that the topic of this space is said entertainment, thus deforestation and overfishing aren’t legit reasons to boycott as a Blazer fan collective.
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." -- Darwin
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