The Blazers Brain Trust Has Its Day
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Disclaimer: The following is 4,000+ words about a sports analytics conference. Buckle up.
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The Sloan Sports Analytics Conference was, appropriately, held in an archaic city's sterile Convention Center. While the historic Massachusetts State House, built in 1798 on the heels of the American Revolution, loomed within walking distance, Sloan attendees -- sports obsessives and mathematical eggheads -- were exclusively concerned with the future. Modern buildings crop up alongside historic ones, new ideas replace obsolete ones.
Sloan was exactly what you might expect from a group of MIT geniuses who are both passionate about the subject and uber-motivated to get their foot in the industry's door. The day began early and it ran late. It was, from start to finish, ruthlessly efficient, pioneeringly techy, overwhelmingly substantive, and low on aesthetic frills, a laboratory for ideas about how to make sports teams and organizations better through the study of numbers.
Sloan's main conference room featured a single stage with a slightly corny locker room backdrop and five simple chairs. The stage was flanked by two gigantic projection screens that served the wonky audience of more than 1,000, many of whom took notes and tweeted diligently. The minds and the words were the center of attention; insanely quick witted one-liners provided the fireworks, their flash magnified by the lack of distractions. Although there was a corporate presence -- ESPN and EA Sports were major sponsors -- the gross commercialism that you might associate with the average trade show or industry conference was nonexistent. If you momentarily stopped paying attention to a speaker's point, it wasn't because a large neon sign was blinking madly nearby, it was because Bill Simmons quietly snuck in the back door and took a seat two rows behind you.
MIT volunteers and attendees from previous years marveled at the conference's growing size. "We couldn't even fill a classroom three years ago," one staffer joked. But as a first-timer expecting lines out the door and swarms of people, I was pleasantly surprised by the event's intimacy and its attendees' collective restraint. How often do NBA General Managers and bloggers sit side-by-side snacking on boxed lunches? How often does Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver give out his email address to a packed room and then spend at least 20 minutes addressing individual questions in a small group? An average scene of NBA life might find a player deluged by dozens of autograph seekers or a General Manager surrounded by 20 microphones, eventually a numb sets in and despondency results. Here, an NBA owner like Mark Cuban matched the excitement level of the basketball junkies that hung on his every word.
There remained a definite pecking order, in descending order of importance: Sloan Founder and Rockets GM Daryl Morey, best-selling author Michael Lewis, ESPN's Sports Guy Bill Simmons, the panelists that were in management, the panelists that were media members, regular media members, and, finally, attendees. But the gap between those last two groups and everyone else was about as narrow as you will find anywhere. At Sloan, access to the NBA's decision-makers and trend-setters, the sharp minds that are leading a statistical revolution that is forcing old-school, ex-player NBA executives to adapt or relinquish control, was as good as it gets. The Brain Trust of the Portland Trail Blazers, led by General Manager Kevin Pritchard, took up their position near Sloan's front lines.
Click through for a full account of Kevin Pritchard's appearance on Sloan's Basketball Analytics panel, the massive Blazers presence at Sloan, how and when the Blazers use statistical and video analysis to guide their decisions, the formalized processes that combine to create winning organizations, the Blazersedge reader who might represent the future of basketball and a whole lot more in between.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
From Exhausted to Enthusiastic
It was here at Sloan that Portland Trail Blazers General Manager Kevin Pritchard looked as comfortable as I've ever seen him. Pritchard has had a tough year. Ironically, his year has been derailed by, more than anything else, the one thing that eludes even the most advanced thinking by the smartest minds in the basketball analytics community: injury.
Since Greg Oden went down with a fractured patella in December, Pritchard hasn't always seemed like himself. Immediately after Oden's injury, he was near tears. In interviews and press conferences, he became increasingly laconic. He was, more often than I remember during prior seasons, absent. When Greg Oden faced the media regarding embarrassing naked photographs, he sat alone on a stool; Pritchard was nowhere to be seen, although he conducted interviews by telephone. When a low-key press conference was held after Brandon Roy was selected as an All Star, Roy sat alone and introduced himself while Pritchard watched from way in the back, wearing a turtleneck, chatting cordially but briefly with a writer or two. When Sergio Rodriguez popped off to the Spanish media last year, Pritchard was out in front, arm around Sergio for the photo op, projecting confidence and establishing control of the situation and story. When Rudy Fernandez did something similar in February, Pritchard seemed to barely acknowledge the situation, mostly leaving Head Coach Nate McMillan and Fernandez's improved play to answer the questions. The 82 game NBA season can be a drag but, in prior years, Pritchard's relentless optimism carried himself, his organization and, often, the media and fans along through the inevitable mid-season drudgery. That happened less this season.
None of the above is meant as criticism. It is clear where Pritchard has been: on his Blackberry, in a meeting or staring at a computer screen with the intention of improving his depleted basketball team. Hardship exemptions were applied for. D-League prospects were worked out, tested, called up, sent down. A free agent was signed, waived and then re-signed. Surgeries and rehabilitations were scheduled and updated. Out-of-state medical consultations were arranged and cancelled. And, of course, trades were explored and one was consummated.
When the roster juggling was mostly completed -- when those who were going to be healthy had returned and the trade deadline had passed -- Pritchard found his team set on the course he had hoped for. After acquiring a difference-making, veteran Center and virtually assuring a playoff spot, Pritchard presented Marcus Camby to the media and then stood wearily in a Rose Garden back hallway taking questions. I had a full list of topics prepared, saved up for a week or more: Steve Blake's year-over-year deterioration in statistical output and consistency, whether Blake or Travis Outlaw would be a summer free agent target, whether it might be a good idea for the Blazers to aggressively court Camby for next season as he can play both the 4 and the 5 and fill out a fearsome frontcourt rotation. I made it through only the first Blake question. As is typical with Pritchard, he was making consistent eye contact and showing his emotions. Both his eyes and his slumped shoulders seemed to say, "I'm exhausted." It felt akin to urgently asking a marathon champion, hands on knees sucking wind, "How do you feel?" I switched off the recorder. There would be other days.
The Pritchard who attended and participated in the Basketball Analytics panel at Sloan couldn't have provided a greater contrast. Relaxed, loose, energetic and confident, Pritchard was eager to both share and learn. So eager, perhaps, that he and Vice President of Basketball Operations Tom Penn engaged in a little "Good Cop, Bad Cop" routine over how much of the Blazers' proprietary information Pritchard might share when he took the stage. Penn, as always, seemed to be urging discretion. Pritchard was also noticeably tan, especially compared to the pasty assemblage of conference attendees. Splayed out in a chair an hour or so before his panel, he cracked jokes with members of upper management from opposing teams and looked, more than anything else, really happy. He had every reason to be.
Rolling Deep, Opening Up
For starters, Pritchard was in familiar company. Not only was this his fourth Sloan Conference but, this time, he was rolling deep. By my count the Blazers had more healthy bodies in Boston -- Pritchard, Penn, Head of Scouting Mike Born, Ben Faulk, Sean Kiely, Justin Kubatko, Jeff Ma and Ryan Parker -- than they had suit up for multiple games in December. "You're the one hiring everyone, Kevin," Cuban cracked during the panel. "That's true," Pritchard replied with a grin. "It's a little bit of an arms race." When you consider the resources required to make that presence possible -- salaries, flights, hotels, meals, conference fees, etc. -- you quickly realize that any writer trying to sell the idea that the Blazers don't treat statistical analytics and video charting as foundational elements for making both in-season lineup, playing time and strategy adjustments and off-season personnel moves simply doesn't know what he is talking about. Period.
Second, and perhaps more important: it became quite clear on Saturday that advanced statistical analysis is a passion of Pritchard's, far more so than was previously apparent. "As a player I liked it," he said during the Basketball Analytics panel. "As I got into coaching in the minor leagues and the NBA, I really liked it. I tried to use it as much as I could." Really, it was hard for any stats geek or developing stats geek not to feel an instant kinship with Pritchard. During his panel, he bemoaned the traditional box score as "incomplete" and stated with absolute certainty that "there will never be a uniform language for adjusted plus/minus." He amiably chatted about a recent John Hollinger column. And no moment prompted a more forceful double-take than when Pritchard casually referenced his "quant," geek short hand for the organization's quantitative analysis of advanced statistical metrics. I'll take "quant" over "calm waters" every day of the week.
Pritchard's evident comfort level led to some truly laugh out loud moments. When discussing Synergy Sports, the video and statistic logging service that I've referenced many times this year thanks to The Invisible Ninja, Pritchard joked, "It's phenomenal. I'm so distraught that Mark [Cuban] owns that because I know there's a way for him to see what I'm watching." The mental image of Cuban peering over Pritchard's shoulder while he rewinds plays had the room cutting up. Later, Pritchard dropped an elegant double entendre when discussing Blazers Owner Paul Allen's interest and support of the franchise's statistical analysis. "My owner is into data," Pritchard said with a smile. "He's like the data king of the world." Of course Allen, who was "into data" enough to help found Microsoft, would be interested in quantifying the activities that occur when his prized basketball team takes the court.
One of the most memorable exchanges came when an audience member asked for the panel's thoughts on building around a "Big Three" to form a championship team. The Big Three's simplistic, marketing-style phrasing drew laughter from the stats-heavy crowd even before any of the panelists had a chance to respond. So it came as no surprise when Hollinger directly attacked the premise of the question, mercilessly listing off recent NBA champions that hadn't relied on three strong players. His rat-a-tat, encyclopedic delivery of counterexamples -- the 1990s Rockets, the early 2000s Lakers, the "Big Zero" of the Detroit Pistons - might have continued forever had Pritchard not gazed over at Hollinger and slyly interjected, "Can you be a little more specific?" Hollinger took a breath and grinned. Both his calm and the pride of the inquirer were restored instantly.
And finally, near the end of the panel discussion, Pritchard tossed his empty water bottle in mock frustration over receiving so many text messages from ESPN writers regarding his trade plans over the past month. If the young, engaged crowd wasn't able to drink from the empty bottle, they were happy to settle for eating out of his hand.
Speaking the Same Stats Language
The panel, however, was about far more than jokes and laughs. Pritchard, Cuban, Hollinger, Denver Nuggets executive Dean Oliver and Boston Celtics executive Mike Zarren addressed a wide variety of topics, beginning with one I raised earlier this year: How do Blazers coaches and players incorporate the study of advanced statistics on a daily basis?
You might remember Nate McMillan told me that advanced statistics are something that he has access to but that he prefers breaking down video tape. When asked whether he used stats to guide offseason personnel moves or in-season adjustments, Pritchard leaned more heavily towards the former. But he did say, "I do believe there's huge value in applying [stats] to the coaching staff" and he spoke of "educating coaches" regarding the tendencies of their own players and opponents.
As for the players, I've mentioned this year that both Brandon Roy and Nicolas Batum seem particularly interested in the pregame scouting reports prepared for them by the team. Discussing that interest, Pritchard said that it varied from player to player but that the biggest concern is ensuring that management, coaching staff and players are all on the same page when it comes to the potential offensive and defensive adjustments that might be suggested by the numbers. "I think it's all individual dependent. Some players love as much data as they can get," Pritchard said. "The data is available, our assistant coaches know it. The biggest key going forward is making sure everyone is speaking on the same level." This thought echoed what a number of other executives and observers -- including Simmons -- mentioned throughout the day: that statistical analysis only has value if it is communicated cleanly from source to players.
An interesting and overlooked hurdle in this communication process that Pritchard raised was the year-to-year turnover of the coaching staff. "Every 3-5 years you have a different coach," Pritchard said, apparently speaking generally about the NBA. Perhaps he forgot that Nate McMillan is currently in year 5 of his tenure in Portland. It's probably best to give him the benefit of the doubt although the statement immediately drew some quiet chuckles.
Pritchard was also careful to note that there are limitations to the best in-game analysis and that advanced numbers are far less valuable in certain game situations than others. Two examples Pritchard cited were the Utah Jazz's overall offensive scheme and the Dallas Mavericks' late-game offense with Dirk Nowitzki and the high pick-and-roll (a setup that I video charted here). Pritchard's point: a lot of times in the NBA you know what's coming, you just can't stop it and all the numbers in the world won't help. And, of course, lady luck always looms. "It can come down to one play. If Courtney [Lee] makes that layup [in the NBA Finals]. What happens?," Pritchard wondered aloud.
Formalizing Processes for Success
Game-to-game adjustments seem much less important to Pritchard than mastering team building and the processes that go into that: scouting, drafting, trading, and managing the salary cap. Each of these processes, it seems, has been standardized, refined and is constantly reanalyzed for potential improvements.
In a panel earlier in the day, Maurizio Gherardini, the Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations for the Toronto Raptors and architect of the Benetton Treviso basketball dynasty in Italy, stated that globalized scouting was the single greatest key to his success in Italy. He described expending significant resources to scour the globe for new talent and how the efforts to acquire improved personnel paid almost immediate dividends. Without question, the Blazers have taken up this best practice for organizational growth: they have a full-time scout stationed overseas and multiple scouts crisscrossing the United States on a regular basis.
According to a member of the management team, the Blazers now regularly supplement that in-person scouting with a review of a player's statistics and, if possible, video made available by Synergy as well. "Eyes, ears and stats," the management member stated, in summarizing the team's current approach. In other words, the team scouts each prospect in person multiple times, consults with coaches and trusted sources to find out more about the player's background and mental makeup, and then reviews the player's numerical output and development. Only after all three factors have been considered are decisions made.
Look no further than Blazers rookie Dante Cunningham to see the benefits of this systematized process. The organization scouted him in person multiple times and brought him in for a pre-draft workout last summer, which they unanimously praised. Members of the organization consulted with Cunningham's college coaching staff to get a full picture of his basketball intelligence, team defensive abilities and family background. And, finally, they recognized distinct year-to-year improvement in his numbers as he progressed through 4 years at Villanova. At the end of the day, Cunningham aced all three aspects of the "eyes, ears and stats" test. While their scouts didn't predict an all star impact and still had questions about exactly what position Cunningham might play in the NBA, they were more than convinced that he had enough tools and intelligence to make an impact sooner rather than later. Less than a season into Cunningham's career he has proven to be an able member of the team's rotation, standing out on defense and consistently knocking down a face-up jumper. The team's evaluation has played out as well as they might reasonably hope for a player taken in the draft's second round.
Of all the panelists, Pritchard seemed to place the most value on the draft process as a way to improve his team. "The draft has been very important for us," he stated emphatically. The main reason? Rookie scale contracts. Because rookies are paid according to a specific, relatively modest scale, there is a great benefit to having a number of contributors on their rookie deals simultaneously. As I mentioned yesterday, the Blazers have 5 members of their rotation -- Cunningham, Jeff Pendergraph, Jerryd Bayless, Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum -- who will combine to make less than a single veteran, Joel Przybilla, who might not actually suit up at all due to injury. The combined impact of those players, both on the court and on the books, is almost immeasurable.
It might be helpful to view players on their rookie deals as the prototypical "undervalued asset" from Michael Lewis's Moneyball. In that book, Lewis writes that 10 years ago the Major League Baseball market generally undervalued the ability to draw walks. Players that could regularly draw walks, get on base and eventually be driven in by their teammates were significantly easier and cheaper to acquire than their impact on wins and losses suggested they should be. In the current NBA market, where a team might sell off a second round draft pick and think nothing of it, that draft pick and the salary owed to it has become undervalued. If you can find a rookie who is ready to contribute immediately and is locked into a certain salary structure, his contributions per dollar spent will almost certainly exceed an average NBA veteran who requires a substantially higher salary. "Sometimes you have a great talent but it doesn't make sense with the contract," Pritchard lamented. This helps explain why the team has opted to pass on veteran acquisitions in the past and instead honed in on NBA-ready, 4-year college players such as Cunningham and Pendergraph when filling out its roster.
That search for value has guided the Blazers' recent free agency and trade moves too. Put simply, the Blazers are engaging in a form of risk assessment: The more a potential acquisition might cost, the more potential damage he can do to the team's salary cap flexibility. Mark Cuban praised the Blazers moves over the last few years, stating simply, "Who you are not picking up is as telling as who you are picking up." Cuban's statement brought to mind this chart I created earlier this season, tracking the performance of various summer targets relative to their salaries.
The Blazers had been mentioned in rumors regarding high-dollar but inefficient and underperforming players like Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter but have found better value in players like Andre Miller and Juwan Howard. Management applied that same "eyes, ears and stats" approach to both players and remained confident through Miller's early season struggles that he would come on strong as the year progressed, thanks in no small part to the stats and analytics component.
The same thing can be said for the recent Marcus Camby trade. With a solid knowledge base on Camby assembled during his long NBA career, a member of the management team said the Blazers were able to turn to videotape breakdowns of Camby's recent play as a Clipper, honing in on specific situations to clarify their understanding of his unique skillset. They were able to watch looped tape of Camby's tipped out offensive rebounds or weakside blocked shots to reinforce their previous scouting.
Following Best Practices; Reaffirming Personal Practices
As the panel began to draw to a close, Pritchard repeated two points made earlier in the day by Bill Polian, the highly-respected architect and President of the Indianapolis Colts. First, that statistical analysis can be very effective in reinforcing an organizational philosophy. Polian pointed out that he might evaluate a nose tackle totally differently than the New England Patriots and that the two teams' systems were so different and complicated that trying to swap players from one team to another would be an almost meaningless exercise. "We all see certain [statistical] things that are very important to us. It may be different for Denver," Pritchard repeated. "If we're about A, B,C, D and E [statistically] and those things trickle down to what we do [on the court as a team and off the court as an organization], that helps us have the best data. It doesn't mean that's the best data for Denver too. It just means that data is best for us."
Second, that statistical analysis cannot guarantee victories but it can go a long way to establishing a winning organization. Polian stated the best talent evaluators in the NFL really only succeed about 55% of the time despite all of the elaborate measurement techniques they use. Pritchard stated that he believed the success rate was similar in the NBA and that building a team built for long-term success versus building a title team was comparable to playing the stock market. "It's sort of like the S&P 500. You can beat the S&P 500 every year but if you're trying to be #1 in our sport, you have to take huge risks."
There have been times this year when I have doubted whether the Blazers were willing to take those risks and whether they were content with putting a lower-tier playoff team on the floor. Those questions were answered for me initially when the team completed the Marcus Camby trade, cutting loose two players -- Blake and Outlaw -- that had been community mainstays. "Whether it's a star player or the 13th or 14th man, it's hard to trade a player away," Pritchard flatly admitted to the audience. And those questions were firmly put to bed after seeing and hearing first-hand how meticulously Pritchard and his staff approach their organizational structure, how they have listened and openly borrowed ideas from champions like Polian. Asked what he had enjoyed most about this year's conference, a member of Blazers management said simply, "the reaffirmation." Meaning: We work hard and think we're doing things the right way and the exchange of ideas and practices at this conference has helped confirm that.
It's more than fair for Blazers fans to feel a similar reaffirmation. TrueHoop's Kevin Arnovitz wrote yesterday, "If I'm a fan, I want my team to be one of those 16 in attendance [at Sloan]. That would demonstrate a commitment not only to smart thinking, but to winning. " Not only were the Blazers in attendance, they were at or near the head of the pack. Injuries and bad luck will happen; Intelligence, determination and zeal for improvement are the best recipe to overcome them. This Blazers brain trust is not lacking in any of these attributes. And it probably hasn't received the credit it deserves.
What's Next?
As the conference closed, the one-day vacation and celebration over almost before it started, the inevitable question of "What's next?" arose. For the Blazers brain trust, the immediate answer was a return to the college scouting beat in preparation for this year's draft. Some members of the organization would travel to the Big East tournament while others would attend the Big 12 tournament.
The longer term answer, though, weighed more heavily. "What's next?" for Pritchard and company will very likely be an NBA world that is starting to catch on, a league that increasingly turns to numbers and advanced statistics to inform personnel and coaching decisions. The competition at Sloan increased greatly this year -- more than half of the league's 30 teams were present, a sharp increase over last year -- and there is no sign of it slowing down. The brains are coming.
As curators and devotees of this sport, we should, all of us, embrace this trend towards the increased analysis of statistics and videotape. It has made decision-makers smarter and coaches more prepared. It has, over time, made the game itself more efficient and, dare I say, better.
As I prepared to leave Boston's modern, sterile Convention Center and step again into its old cold, I spoke briefly with Douglas Hwang, an MIT graduate student and one of Sloan's organizers. Hwang happens to be a Blazersedge reader and suggested that I attend this year's conference way back in December. I asked Hwang, who spent 4 years as a jet engine engineer after obtaining his undergraduate degree and spent hundreds of hours organizing this year's conference, what was next for him now that Sloan was over. Hwang just shook his head and smiled at the question. "I do n't know," he finally concluded.
Limits on what's next for Hwang and those similarly intelligent and passionate about the analytics of sports are evaporating. Should he desire a career in basketball, Hwang could become a team consultant, a video analyst and, perhaps, even a General Manager like his fellow MIT alum Daryl Morey. This thought would have been an impossibility no more than 15 years ago. But if the growth of basketball analytics is a revolution and its most fervent revolutionaries are engaged in an arms race, who better to bring along than a jet engine engineer?
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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thanks ben
fantastic read. Top notch stuff, and a great insight at what goes on in there.
I can hear Cab and Jake salivating already.
Thanks for the recap
Sounds really fascinating. I really appreciate your insight into this topic that is really becoming more and more mainstream.
It would be nice (as Cuban eluded to) for the NBA to have some metrics around referee’s perfomance as well. Was that much of a discussion point or just brought up from Cuban’s perspective?
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Nice!!! I read all 4000
Way to go KP
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
same here
there is some great insight here into KP’s thinking. I recall reading an article on Truehoop about this event and someone noted how linear the relationship was with teams that care about advanced stats and their subsequent success. It’s certainly refreshing to hear that our management team is among the leaders of the group.
amazing read
really makes all of our “this player or that player” and “this player for that player” ridiculous, huh?
I don't think so
We do a pretty good job of coming to similar conclusions, but less precisely because we aren’t using the same data. But that is why we discuss socially in a large group, and not peer-to-peer as you would find in a paid project team. The better your data gets, the smaller your audience becomes until you reach the guys that make real decisions using that data.
That doesn’t mean our discussions are worthless – just that the results will be noisy.
by blacknoiseNW on Mar 9, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even more techy is confusing precsion for accuracy.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
What you say is not untrue ....
… but Billy is still basically right.
How often have we seen Pritchard criticized here for not being able to pull the trigger on a big trade, for being too attached to “his” guys, for failing to take advantage of the RLEC? How many trade proposals have we seen which argue Portland will not be a championship team until they add this or that player?
Since we do not have access to the amount of data the Blazer organization does, it seems pretty obvious to me that it is ridiculous to think we can make as good a decision on trades or draft picks as management can.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
And I disagree for another reason...
Public perception still drives decisions for NBA teams, particularly Portland.
I guarantee you that somebody who is involved in trade talks at Blazer HQ reads this forum, and consolidates and summarizes our public opinion for management. For example, I’m sure somebody reviewed all of the talk around Blake and Outlaw before that deal went down. The likely conclusion presented to the Blazers?: everybody likes them as people, most like them as players, but many think they are worth more in trade than on the court, and we can definitely survive without them…
If that isn't reason #37 in the decision tree
I would be pissed
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
I dunno man
They do consider themselves a business, and as a business you have to know what it is your customers want. I bet Blazers could have gotten a great deal for including Rudy but because the fanbase already is sold on him they could have lost merchandise as perhaps those fans would follow Rudy’s new team rather than the Blazers.. Not the end all, but it would be short-sighted not to use internet resources (like this forum) for a free way to gauge how fans feel.
I guarantee you that somebody who is involved in trade talks at Blazer HQ reads this forum
God I hope not
If the Blazers are making decisions based on fan sentiment (even smart fans like Ben and Dave, etc) then they have left the path of wisdom and are letting the inmates run the assylum
That kind of group-think drafts the ’stache back in ’06
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
exactly
I do think the read this site ….but….it should have little or no impact or they are making a mistake
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
Do you also look in the mirror every day and tell yourself ...
… how good looking you are?
Ok, that part’s a joke. But I get the impression you really overvalue your importance as a fan. Ultimately, every sports franchise understands that if you want to get fans to buy tickets and companies to spend their advertizing dollars and media networks to offer top dollar, winning on the field or court of play is by far the best method for doing so. Everything we’ve just read from Ben indicates that KP is committed to building a winning franchise over the long term and to using advanced statistical analysis as a tool for doing so. Kevin Pritchard would have to be an idiot to check the pulse of BE readers before deciding on a deal. after putting in all the work we’ve heard Ben describe.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Gimme a break...
I don’t think I, individually, have ANY influence on anything the franchise does. But collectively? Yeah, I do think that Bedge is one small part of an overall “marketing score” that I do believe KP and his staff use as one more bullet point, one more piece of evidence, that leads them to a course of action…
And of COURSE he is committed to building a winning franchise… Everybody (except maybe TIH) wants that… And all the positive community vibe in the world won’t last a news cycle if the team doesn’t win. Winning is a given.
But there are many ways to build a winning franchise. And don’t think for a minute that this isn’t a business, and one that Mr. Allen would like to not lose millions of dollars while earning a title ..
If the team has two deals, one for Rudy and Martell, and one for Blake and Outlaw, one of the discussion points is absolutely “what is the fan reaction to this deal going to be”…
And if the team can get a handle on that by paying some lowly staffer to summarize fan comments on Bedge…. then you better believe they are doing it…
Not to degrade the lowly staffer....
A lowly staffer working for the Blazers is a pretty awesome job…
I meant to convey that BEdge represents a cheap, easily attainable data point on honest fan opinion…
A better judge of relevant fan opinion
is for the Blazers to poll their season-ticket holders in a round table setting (which they do) If they’re concerned about revenue, these are the fans they need to listen to, not bloggers and their followers
If the luxury suite and seat license money starts to dwindle, real changes will be made. That’s what we saw back in 2004. But if not, let the basketball people make the basketball decisions
and let the rest of us “second guess” them online (#1 indoor winter sport)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
GIVE ME A BREAK
And of COURSE he is committed to building a winning franchise… Everybody (except maybe TIH) wants that…
There is no need to bring me into the conversation. I could understand if Miller was being discussed, but he was not.
I want a CHAMPIONSHIP franchise, not just a winning franchise, and that’s why I do not like Miller. He has never been out of the first round and he will never get out of the first round. I’ll ban myself for a year if he proves me wrong.
Wowza, bold statement
I think you’d best be hoping he gets traded before or at next year’s trade deadline, cuz I feel pretty good about our chances of making the second round next season.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Mar 11, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
He won't be a starter at the end of next year
I’ve love for him to prove me wrong, though. I like the playoffs.
In a list of top ten "bullet points" complied to evaluate a personnel decision ....
…. I’m betting fan opinion ranks about 17th.
Does management given it a few minutes worth of thought or does it come up in their discussions? Possibly. Maybe even Probably. But the question is, does it carry much, if any, weight in their final decision. I say it is unlikely.
Take as an example the swap that travis proposed in another thread – Roy and Aldridge for Evans and Landry. If the Blazer brain trust came to the conclusion that this deal would improve the franchise on the court and improve their chances at winning a title and being a winning franchise long term, I believe they would make that deal. The fact that it would likely outrage a segment of the fan base would be noted, but it would not carry enough weight to influence their decision. For that to happen, someone would have to make a solid business case showing that revenues would be affected. And as long as the team continues to win, that is unlikely to happen.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Enough to make me optimistic for the future.
Take that present-day!
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And Ben, do you get paid for each rec?
Or is Blazers’ Edge a long public audition for a paying job? If so, we will miss you. This stuff is too good to keep you unemployed for long.
Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.
No.
SBNation gets ad revenue. I don’t think Dave and Ben see that much of it.
Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.
He already helped Kevin Pelton to a new job
(I assume KP2 only got that based on the Dontonio Wingcast)
Great read
and SERIOUSLY informative. Anyone who reads this and questions the direction the Blazers are headed is nuts.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
we can certainly question the huge risks that KP seems to be willing to take
if there’s anything I learned from this article, it’s that no matter how well-organized a front office tries to be, there is only the promise of improvement, because winning a championship still requires good luck and perfect timing.
If it was all about brains and unlimited money, Mark Cuban would be working on his 5th ring by now
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and
cajones
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Until there is a stat that can show exactly which players contributed the most winning plays in an effort to win the game, I’ll stick to the eyeball test.
Applying a bunch of math to outdated methodologies (box scores) doesn’t tell me much. It tells me some, but not even close to enough. A person still has to actually watch the games to get an idea for who is better. There is still lots of room for improvement in stats, but it is time to move past yesterday’s box score. In a perfect world, a non-fan (a complete ignorant to the sport) should be able to look at a stat and know instantly who is the best player in a given situation.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Well...
That was written like someone who has not had an opportunity to look at the type of Data teams are working with… Keep living in the stone age my friend. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.
Its pretty awesome that I can not only look at the “outdated methodologies” but also the tendencies as it pertains to certain types of plays.
For example when playing against a dominant center it would be pretty awesome to be able to see how effective said player is when receiving the ball on the left block and turning over his right shoulder in the last 4:00 of a game would it not? Well then I am sure glad the KP et al have access to that kind of data.
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 9, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
To further my point
Does your sniff test tell you that Durant in ISO situations goes Left 56% of the time and Right 44% of the time, and when going left pulls up for the J 57% of the time while taking it all the way to the rim 40% of the time? And when he goes right he pulls up 53% of the time vs 47% of the time taking it all the way. Also I bet it would be valuable if your sniff test told you that when he does go left he shoots 7% better overall than if he goes right. I bet you would try to force him right in light of all that data?
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Actually the way to beat Durant is to force him baseline and fluster him with physical play and if he receives the ball, to simply not let him dribble at all by running a hard double at him before he can get his bearings straight because he isn’t a great passer when he isn’t completely certain of how the play will progress…
But stats are alright.
Official Adrian Wojnarowski Hater.
The Ardent Optimist.
That just gives fans more to complain about when Durant manages to do what the opponent does not want him to do
I’m all for the coaches and players knowing that information, but all that information does is make watching and discussing the games less entertaining.
that is true, but it also reduces people pulling certain useless/meaningless stats out of their b-side to prop up their favorite player. If they are going to do that, at least use a stat that accurately reflects good play.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
That will always happen
All it takes it a sort or two and you can manipulate the stats to prove anything.
That is exactly what I am talking about, but so far it is not widely available to fans. Like I said, there is tons of room for improvement.
Who sets the best screens?
Who makes the correct type of passes in given situations?
Who follows the orders of their coach the best?
Who correctly ignores the coaches orders?
Where is this data? If it is out there, then, when can we see it? The only thing I see are advance math applied to what is available in a box score, but it does not tell me who did what to win the game.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
the only thing worse than treating statistics as the absolute gospel is treating them as if they have no meaning.
#52
I am all for numbers and stats, as long as they are telling me an accurate story about who did what to win the game. Not just who scored/rebounded and at what rate they did it.
I want good numbers that tell the whole story. I would absolutely be all for that. They would have a ton of meaning.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
See thats what people are trying to say
it is NOT who scored/rebounded. It is how they scored and how they rebounded. It wont tell you what will happen in an exact situation, but it will tell you the probability’s going into that situation. That is kind of the nature of statistics and indeed a more fundamental nature of the universe. What it tells you then in long term trends, not individual and immediate results.
but there are very black and white stats to help us understand, for example, rebounding.
We can look at the team’s rebounding with and without the player and the player’s individual rebound rate. A combination of these two things pretty much tells us who the best rebounders are. As we know extra possessions are a huge part of winning games, we know that great rebounders generally contribute to victory.
You don’t think we can look at that, and make the logical leap?
#52
The Problem
Is that teams are willing to pay big $ for access to proprietary data, and then allow their in house stat people free reign to dig in. Problem with any system is that information makes its way outside. My point is that many many of these APBR metricians are looking at much more than just your standard box score.
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 9, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Why can’t fans band together and achieve the same results? There are enough people watching games with access to the same technology.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
say you get a geek squad together in your mother's basement
who are you going to sell your work to?
yes - but it isn't cheap - and it isn't simple
We are here at Blazers Edge – in effect – a bunch of fans banding together and achieving similar results – but not with sufficient precision to warrant compensation or justify taking risks with other people’s money.
For as good as we do with casual analysis or less perfect data, too much noise exists in our amateur results to duplicate the polish of professionalism.
Fans cannot compete directly with the existing professional efforts. Those that do try to break into the market, such as the MIT folks, have enormous intellectual resources at their disposal.
by blacknoiseNW on Mar 9, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
All the MIT people really have on you
is mathematical algorithms to reduce noise.
training
having a gun is different than having a gun and knowing how to shoot a target a 1000 meters away downhill in high wind.
by blacknoiseNW on Mar 9, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
It was tongue in cheek :D
as those algorithms are horribly complex and no way someone without training would be able to decipher them (much less independently arrive at them without the proper education!!)
That said their raw data is probably not much more complex than yours. I mean it is because thats what they are paid for, but the raw data is by no means the intellectual challenge here..
don't sell the raw data short
I asked this question of InvisibleNinja: “who is collecting the data”?
The data itself isn’t complex – but the logistics of getting high quality measurements for all the games every night is a truly massive undertaking – and the reason the data is for sale and not freely available.
by blacknoiseNW on Mar 9, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think there is more data that is not being collected than we know. For example, let’s say Roy gets open and makes a shot. Well, is someone looking at why/how Roy got open. Is it because Rudy made a quick cut to the corner? If so, then shouldn’t Rudy get credit for that?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
absolute is a strong word, but don’t we often see a role player have a good series of games, then end up on another team, and all of a sudden they aren’t as good. Well, why did that happen? Is it because the original team had a certain element that allowed him to succeed?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
the teams have numbers on this. It will work its way into the public domain eventually, like everything else is.
Of course context is crucial in basketball. You don’t hear Jake saying that Corey Maggette is great, do you?
#52
I think the best we could do with this is
Keep a record of how Rudy’s cutting (vs certain teams/players) affects the looks for his team-mates. Again, this has to do with trends rather than isolated events.
Insight
So to shed a little more insight… Say I want to look at just that. I can punch up Brandon Roy Spot up possessions for a set period. And watch loop of all clips of him shooting a spot up J and what led to that.
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 9, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Is someone doing something with that information in a manner that is accessible to fans?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Subjectivity
There is so much subjectivity in what you are talking about in my opinion that what I think leads to outcome and what you think may be very different. That is where I dont think there will ever be a catch all stat. There has to be an element of human evaluation. IMO Ben is doing as much with this data for Blazer fans than anyone.
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 9, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Subjectivity might be more towards judging a player’s style or how they looked when playing. Whose dunk was more effortless looking?
Figuring out how to “score” a particular play is less subjective. Did player x do what he was supposed to in order for his team to get a high percentage shot or prevent one for the opponent.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
So....
If I guy does something that triggers the same result who determines which he was “supposed” to do? There is a TON of subjectivity in what you are talking about. There are some things that no matter what you do are going to have a lot of noise in the outcome.
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 9, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Not to downplay the problems involved in gathering data
As to which data is important and how exactly to deal with the numbers.
I know...I just wanted to pontificate on how amazing it is that the data is even out there to analyze
I spent some time as a cryptologist for the Navy collecting and analyzing signals intelligence. What we did wasn’t half the effort of the NBA effort. Baseball too – the old scorekeepers book doesn’t have any relevance for modern data collection.
by blacknoiseNW on Mar 9, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
I'd wonder if we ever had you aboard as a rider ...
… but I’m guessing I was out of the Navy long before you were.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Or better yet ...
Knowing how to use that lazer designator you’ve been humping around and calling in an air strike.
Besides, knowing how to shoot a target 1000 meters away, downhill in high wind is only part of solution. I know how to do that. What I don’t have is the constant practice and the god given skills (not every one is a good shooter) to ensure I can accurately put my round on the target every time. With a little bit of effort I could describe with great precision how one does this. I could go out and purchase a rifle, scope and ballistic computer, each of which offers the best degree of precision available in their type. Still doesn’t mean I am going to have great accuracy.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
people are doing this
basketball-reference.com, 82games.com, popcornmachine.net, APBR metrics, Dave Berri, Wayne Winston, John Hollinger just to name a few.
Out of curiosity, which one of those tells me which player makes the best decisions given the situation. Not, just scoring/rebounding/assisting etc. More like which player forces Durant to his weaknesses the most often or at the right time?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
none of them
nobody said statistics are the be all, end all. They are to help in situations where your eyes don’t tell the whole story.
there is no "holy grail" single unified statistic that is the absolute measure of player value
check this Roland beech interview:
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/03/changing-the-stat-quo/
SLAM: That said, there are formulas on your site—how firmly do you believe in them? Does the "Roland Rating" represent the guys, to the letter, you think are the best players in the NBA? Do you think the best clutch players in the NBA are the guys with the best "Clutch" stats? Are these formulas closer to mathematical proofs or just another tool?
RB: I am not a fan of one number, overall type player ratings since I don’t think players have constant value. Their contributions depend heavily on who they play with, the coaching schemes, the role they are asked to play, whether they are happy, healthy, etc. The Roland Rating used to just be straight on/off but then people started to think I was advocating that as a stand alone player rating, so I added in a few more simple elements, intending maybe one day to publish a more comprehensive rating system, but that hasn’t been a priority since I don’t really look at players in that way. On the other hand something like ‘clutch stats’ is a pretty straightforward look at some specific numbers and so yes, I’m happy to say that a player is a good clutch scorer or something by stats.
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by HurraKane212 on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think your premise is wrong
1) you can isolate metrics that best tell you how players affect the game
2) none of the data you are lacking is unavailable to coaches
3) these guys are pretty clear that eyes, ears, stats play a role
Of all this information – what we can discuss with authority, here is statistics – and even then – we don’t have access to the best information.
1) sort of, but if player A is generally in the game at the same time as player B, then how do you know who is really affecting it? What if the opposing teams key player left, and that is what caused the change?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
They look at who handled what parts of the possessions
and with enough game time general trends become clear. Seriously if this interests you you can break it down entirely with numbers. Not everyone understands the world that way, or is comfortable interpreting it such, but it is do-able and has real results.
this is exactly
what adjusted plus/minus is all about. Factoring in the other players on the court and not just one player vs the score.
I wonder if they do statistical stat analysis on officials.
If you really knew their tendencies I bet you could work them better, avoid their bad spots. Given the nature of officiating in the NBA I’d think you would be paying a lot of attention to them.
Plus, at some point, if one was crooked, I’ll bet you could develop advanced metrics to prove it.
Indeed, It would be fairly obvious if an official started deviating from his usual calls
Especially if it was most deviated around certain teams. At the very least it would point out bias’s that the league would be forced to deal with, and make ref’s feel like there is someone watching over they’re shoulder. Right now they are given a free pass with ‘judgement calls’ but if we had a list of all their previous judgement calls and they started severely changing they’re judgement calls then they would have trouble avoiding criticisms.
Reaffirmation of our collective abilities as bloggers
None of us are able to put in professional-level time necessary to squeeze the most out of quantitative analysis, but collectively – we get it. Not only should we be happy that the management of our favorite team gets it, we should all be happy that this blog’s interactive audience gets it, too (collectively speaking).
The old cliche “wisdom of the masses” definitely applies, and it warms my heart to know we can talk about these topics and have both a mutual understanding and a confidence that the same understanding is being leveraged by those with the direct ability to make our team better.
Great great stuff Ben. All 4000 words consumed. We are lucky to have you.
On a side note, it would be real interesting to see what the advanced metrics say about some of the clutch playoff performers of old like Robert Horry. A guy that looks painfully average most of the year and then develops ice in his veins for the 4th quarter of playoff games.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
That was a GREAT read.
just for that, i’m clicking on one of those heinous freecreditscore.com banner ads so you can buy yourself a better bday gift.
fiftytwo
analytics
It seems clear that well-conceived quantitative gauges of player performance are going to lead to an ability to make personnel decisions that have a higher probability of success.
What I wonder is how much these techniques do improve your odds. If the facts they give you are swamped out by other factors such as unanticipated future ups and downs in player performance, injuries, etc, then I think the main risk is that the techniques could be perceived to have more value than they actually do.
Nevertheless, even if these techniques give you only slightly better odds of success, it seems like it behooves a sports team to use every tool at its disposal that could be of help, even if the benefit it provides is marginal.
no moment prompted a more forceful double-take than when Pritchard casually referenced his “quant,” geek short hand for the organization’s quantitative analysis of advanced statistical metrics
This is not new KP terminology to those who heard the Warkentein interview on 95.5 (WAW) last week
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Kinda funny that our owner made all this possible in a sense
by helping create (or creating, depending on who you believe) the most used OS in the universe that probably all of this data is compiled on
by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Mar 9, 2010 10:52 AM PST reply actions
Are you saying that they didn't compile the data using Inferno OS?
Or XTS-400? Inconceivable!
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great write up
thanks for this
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Not exactly sure why Bill Simmons was invited..
except to vow down to alter of Daryl Morey. I know he wrote about this subject a few times, but it didn’t seem like he actually had any understanding behind advanced metrics.
Also interesting to find out that Morey is a Sloan grad, as quantitative analysis is a basic foundation of any good MBA program. Now I know why Morey is so advanced metrics driven.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Bill Simmons has a national profile that nobody else at the conference enjoys
Inviting him publicizes the conference on the cheap. Also a good idea to invite one of the most-read basketball writers in America, stathead or no.
Blazers Edge is truly on the forefront of sports blogging
Amazing write-up Ben. It’s extremely difficult to find another sports blog site that offers such informative insight into the deepest pockets of sporting knowledge. The fact that we get this handed to us every day is a gift we should all not take for granted.
Not only do we consistently get articles like this, but also we have the crowd that can read, appreciate and comment on it.
BlazersEdge is highly irregular, in the best of ways.
GRATS
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" ...Buck Williams
Yeah I was wondering if in today's NBA...
If the statistical leanings of blazer fans (particularly here..) is more in the norm or not? I get the feeling that ATM those fans interested in statistics are a minority.
None the less I am much more a typical ‘math’ guy than a typical ‘sports’ guy so I personally appreciate the statistical analysis’.
Speaking of Ben attending
does Blazers Edge sponsor the trip? Just curious….
Danger! Danger! Danger!
How does the Blazer Braintrust handle the possibility that the statistical analysis they perform creates on the floor execution which only reinforces those statistics and then render them useless (bias)? Remember statistics are only useful if your testing hypotheses.
What are the hypotheses tested?
Hypotheses are used to ask a question that one thinks has an answer useful to the scientific world (or in this case basketball). However hypotheses can often be set up in order to prove a point rather than opening up dialogue. Hypotheses are almost always proven somewhat wrong in some way if the scientist is sticking to the scientific method. Proving points through statistics must start with a legitimate hypotheses that is looking for what the scientist hopes to uncover. However the +/- ending to what is found must take into regard that the hypotheses and the actual findings are almost never clear cut.
If the findings are clear cut then the hypotheses is most likely not asking an unbiased question. If you are looking to prove that BRoy is awesome and you look up statistics to prove it, you can find it. If you are looking at how BRoy moves to the left more than to the right, you’re closer. If you look at how many times BRoy receives a pass from Aldridge and then moves to the right instead of the left, you are even closer. Then you have to ask how many times in an entire season does BRoy move to the right instead of the left off of a pass from Aldridge in the third quarter considering all games played, at home. It can continue on and on. This is science. Why, sticking to the scientific method, would you care anymore?
Statistics are tricky. A slam-dunk statistic is usually a biased one. Choose wisely.
But, loved your write up, Ben.
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Jacques Derrida
One more thing
Has anyone analyzed the careers of Bird and Magic to determine how skilled passing can be quantified?
The assist isn’t every thing—it’s only the last past before the bucket; often it’s two or three passes before that made an assist possible.
Lucky
We are lucky we have Ben….what a great thought provoking, easy to understand and entertaining article. I loved reading it…..injuries and bad luck aside, I love the fact that
sophisticated analytical stats add another dimension to pure talent and the game….and those teams who use it, along with info as unsophisticated as knowing what a players father did for a living before drafting them can help to increase their odds of winning a championship.Methodical draft picks aside, of course it has to be balanced with putting fans in the seats.
Interesting to know that Brandon and Batum use this data to their amplify their game. After reading that my intitial thought was they are the best on the team and wishing more players would utilize this perk.
With all the teams who have or almost have disassembled their scouting teams, once again we are very fortunate to have an ower like Paul Allen who continues to support, thrive and encourages the BLAZER organzation which in turn hopefully puts a great consumer product on the floor.
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Nice write up
Nice to know we have an intelligent management team.
Was Nate there? I wouldn’t really expect it due to the fact.. you know… games and all.
Why is this now instead of in the summer so people like Nate COULD be there?
Was PA there?
You mention KP pulling back. He took shots for being so out there media/story wise. It may have been that he was upset about Greg, but it may also be that he’s backing away from being a celebrity. When we had no team, we rooted for the draft and KP magic. We have a team now. We don’t need him to cheer us up and on because we have a team that can do that if they can stay healthy. After all, if he’s ticking off other GM’s, then that likely creates an issue in generating trades. Being more invisible means that “Pritchslapping” goes away and maybe teams are more willing to deal.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
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really enjoyed this post
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
Pritchard should be low-key
One of KP’s few mistakes has been his tendency to be so outgoing and play to the media so much that he alienates and annoys his colleagues around the league. He got some criticism for that and I think it made dealing with other teams more difficult (that’s the sort of rumors Hoopshype was running last year, anyway). So the low-key approach doesn’t mean he’s depressed… It’s probably him reacting to fair criticism. We don’t need our GM to be the face of the franchise. We just need him to get us the best players possible without messing up our salary situation. That’s KP’s specialty.
Injuries
This is not a knock on KP but no amount of data can predict injuries ( I could be wrong here and would love to see the data otherwise) or how well a player will play after he returns from an injury. So securing interior rebounding and defense is the tricky question for KP. Navigating an injury prone Greg Oden may age KP a lot more than he will ever admit.
Why cant we predict injuries?
I mean at least to some precision. I am sure it is being done right now. Take variables such as players body, style and history. It wouldn’t tell you if / when a player will get hurt, but it could suggest (maybe) what games a player is more likely to get injured in, and about how long. Basically you would use this information to set up your insurance pieces, and get a rough idea how your players get injured, possibly even (with enough analysis) giving organizations an idea of how to prevent injuries (not using player x, in position y and time t sort of idea?). It would be very noisey though (and without having done any of the math will admit it could be too inaccurate to really be usable.. suppose its more of a though experiment then, but w/e :D)
it's done in baseball
Especially with young pitcher’s arms. So many innings pitched. Don’t throw breaking balls until a certain age. Spend a month of spring training preparing for the regular season. Keep track of pitches thrown in games as well as in the bullpen. Sudden loss of command/velocity indicates potential injury, get a MRI, shut it down and rest
Players are expensive assets. Especially when they have long-term guaranteed contracts. If they aren’t able to answer the bell and perform during regular season and playoff games, it’s costly to the franchise
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Ah but all you need for that is a radar gun.
So of course, every single pitch is clocked, and you have a large set of objective data over time to work with. The same thing that makes reffing BBall so hard is the same thing that makes collecting physical data difficult. It’s chaos on the floor.
For example. How would you, say, measure the vertical leap of all of Trout’s jump shots in and out of the game leading up to his November 14th break? Do you put multiple sensors in each shoe, recording ft/lbs of impact each time it hits the floor? Do you mount a series of posts around the court with “freakin” lasers to catch the reflections off his tinfoil headband?
Shoot we’re not even at the point where we can automatically report Jarret Jack stepping on the baseline.
Who knows, maybe the company that makes that padded armor the players wear will start incorporating electronics into their gear, assuming the league allows that sort of thing. But I think we’re years away from measuring players on the court like we do crash test dummies.
by conspirator5 on Mar 9, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks BE
This is the best article I’ve read on how the Blazers make decisions. Well written, accessible for all.
Hopefully, we’ll get more in-depth articles in the future that build on this work. (Or a book following the Blazers—or Houston, or Denver, or Dallas—management over the course of a year a la “Moneyball”)
A great read and a worthy subject
There have been many attempts to castigate the team for not drafting or trading for a certain player and your report gives us a small window on why the team knows far more than we will ever know and they do what they do.
Polian stated the best talent evaluators in the NFL really only succeed about 55% of the time despite all of the elaborate measurement techniques they use. Pritchard stated that he believed the success rate was similar in the NBA and that building a team built for long-term success versus building a title team was comparable to playing the stock market. “It’s sort of like the S&P 500. You can beat the S&P 500 every year but if you’re trying to be #1 in our sport, you have to take huge risks.”
This is important for the fans to understand. Portland in recent years has been more successful than this but going forward as the value of the picks is diminishing the need for greater risks might pull their success more towards the middle.
Another important point you made was the emphasis on rookie contracts. It raises the question in my mind of whether the team can give Marcus Camby any sort of long-term contract or major money. If Marcus will stay for a contract similar to Andre’s in term and around $6 per year perhaps he stays. Was this one of the questions you deferred that night with Kevin Pritchard? It also explains the drafting future NBA players and leaving them in Europe. When they are ready to contribute like Rudy was ready they become part of the rotation right away and keep the salary cap flexible.
"Their length," he said. "Aldridge is a tough matchup for us. Roy's a very talented ball player, an All-Star player. Miller is just an incredibly savvy point guard with what he's able to do out there on the floor. You throw in their shooters who have size and are able to see over things. They understand where they are as a ball club." - Kurt Rambis
How do we know the stats that they are tracking matter?
KP has all those fancy metrics and then he passed on DeJuan Blair three times and almost overpaid for Jedo Turkoglu. It seems to me that the conference wasn’t much different from an Amway convention. No one that attends the convention is going to question the status quo.
As I understand it
There were Character RED FLAGS (plural) with Blair. As for Hedo his metrics for side pick and rolls which is what they envisioned him doing with Greg were extremely strong, not to mention him being able to bring the ball up the floor once in a while and then defer to Brandon. I would imagine him playing in Portland would have resulted in better #’s for him this year.
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by InvisibleNinja on Mar 10, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
I got nothing against stats, it just seems there are two groups. One that thinks stats are super duper important and the other group that thinks they are not important. Of the 14 teams that did not send someone, was that because they don’t like stats, they’re cheap, or are they keeping their stats secret?
by tominhawaii on Mar 10, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
All of the above
They don’t like their secret cheap stats.
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Nice work Ben.
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Great Work Ben
Really enjoyed the read.
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by courtsideerrandboy on Mar 10, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Sloan

"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Mar 10, 2010 11:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm in love!
rec btw
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
who is this beautiful girl?
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Mar 11, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Sloan from Entourage.
I’ve been teasing Ben that he was with Sloan all weekend. HA.
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by courtsideerrandboy on Mar 11, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I can't see the picture
but I’m guessing it’s Mia Sara, who played Sloan Peterson in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Sara
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