start bayless at pg?
by roy7 on Mar 8, 2010 6:09 PM PST
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With teams doubling up on roy, we need a pg capable of stretching the floor. With bayless' 3 point shot improving, why not give the young fella starter minutes?
Hes obviously a better defender than miller. He actually plays with fire when i see him. He seems like he has the personality that we wished ROY had.
pg - bayless
sg- roy
sf- batum
pf- lma
c-oden
what do you guys think?
in the off season i wish we could package miller and lma for a quality pf willing to bang and mix it up
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Miller helps us a lot more than I think he gets credit for.
Lover of everything Batum.
#88
by RyanRTE on Mar 8, 2010 6:37 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
+1
although I’m all for packaging LMA with Rudy/Bayless/Martell for Chris Bosh in a sign and trade this summer. Bosh has been the #1 option his entire NBA career, I think he’d love to come to the Blazers, and we all know that the Raptors want to get something out of Bosh, at least more than they would if he bolted outright to Miami, NJ, Chicago or NY. We’ve got a far better roster even without Pryz and GO than any of those teams do.
Gosh haven't heard these arguments before
Only thing I can imagine to improve is maybe use a bit more of your character limit, flush out your ideas a little bit?
lol... bayless? hahahahaha
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Miller deserves the start
he is consistent, heady, and apparently an incredible athlete.
Maybe next season.
Hopefully at least the season after next.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 8, 2010 7:18 PM PST reply actions
Right
It’s a goal they’re working towards, but there’s no reason to deal Miller this summer and move Jerryd into the starting lineup. Bayless is 21, he’d be a Junior at UA if he had stayed in school
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
ok
Let me ask u this. If u had a choice now, who would u take. LMA or say a guy like Millsap.
LMA may be a better offensive weapon, but Millsap might be a better rebounder, shot blocker, and have more overall toughness?
Millsap right now
LMA when Oden comes back.
Yes
Right now Aldridge needs to be tough and rough inside and etc. which is sadly not his game (though he is quietly averaging career highs in rebounds per game and field goal percentage).
Greg showed early this year that he is a legitimate scoring threat inside (16 ppg in his last ten). With him and LA working together opponents can’t pack both of their bigs inside unless they want to leave Aldridge open from 15-17 feet, which is what he loves.
Trust me, IF Greg comes back healthy (fingers crossed) then we will have one of the best PF-C combos in the NBA.
by GMan83201 on Mar 9, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
And Camby is teaching LMA the value of the high-low game making Greg even more of an offensive threat with Aldridge and vice versa…
Camby is good for LMA right now, and he will prove to be good for Oden.
Now if we could get our perimeter to back cut behind Greg, then Greg can get a ton of assists upon his return too…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I like keeping Camby and running him in the lineup with Greg from time to time next year.
Can you imagine the defense with that lineup. Much better combination with those two. We saw Greg and Pryz playing at the same time a couple of times last year, it didnt really work. LMA goes out Camby in, I would love to see that…
Yeah, Pryz is not a passer by nature
They work on the defenisve end, but tended to bog down our offense when on the floor together.
Camby has shown his High-low skills though, that would be a potent combo, and when Aldridge picks that up in his outside repetoire, mmm, mmm, mmm…can’t wait
Right now with Aldridge when you hit him at 22 ft out he shoots, tries to hit the roller, or passes back to the perimeter. If he gets a good high to low pass figured out with greg, that just becomes one more weapon to give defenses fits.
That and the perimeter players cutting from the weakside will really get our offense really on track…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I hate to say it this soon but we might
have to start thinking in terms of Pryz may not be back and even if he is will he be the Pryz we have come to know and love? Agree totally with the high low action via Oden and LMA I dream of this happening, what a luxury to keep teams committed to covering this practically all game with Camby spelling him. Lets hope this offseason LMA develops a real drive to the hoop and better passing along with greater court awareness.
I was willing to take them both last July
and then play LMA at SF 5-6 minutes a half so Millsap could get 30+ mpg at PF
but not a lot of people cared for that suggestion, still LMA might be Portland’s best defender against physical SFs like Melo…too bad he’s stuck playing the 4-5, eh?
The way I figure it, if LMA is so “soft” then let him defend out on the perimeter. He’s got quick hands/feet and he’s long enough to sag off a shooter and still affect the jumper
But you’reasking me if Portland should add a tougher PF? I was the BE protagonist of that idea. DeJuan Blair was available when Portland drafted 31 and 33. I must’ve made a dozen “Outlaw for a veteran PF” trade proposals over the past 9 months
It’s still a good idea to add another beast, but dealing Miller away is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Bayless isn’t ready to lead a team, not in the next 12-18 months, anyway. The best solution is to keep LMA and let Oden do the beasting down low, beginning next October. The two of them will compliment each other extremely well.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
interesting
so when batum sits, throw LMA at SF?
could u imagine him at SF, re-signed campy at PF, oden at C
extremely long and we would beast at rebounding and blocking.
reminds me of KG at SF when he started out with T-wolves.
it could still happen, I suppose
but I was mostly thinking about a way to get Millsap enough PT without cutting into Greg/Joel’s minutes at center. Portland was serious about adding Paul to the roster last July (if only Utah hadn’t matched the “toxic” offer sheet) So Nate had to have a contingency plan to get Millsap and LMA enough minutes at the 4
So when most folks were thinking of ways to get smaller (play Travis at the 4 and LMA at the 5, etc) I was looking for a way to get a bigger lineup out on the floor…to match up with L*A’s potential trio of Odom-Gasol-Bynum.
Portland’s injuries took care of that plan, at least for this season
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Yeah I thought of something similar
But that would only be effective if Aldridge could hit a 3 reliably. He can make them but he hasn’t shown much confidence with that shot.
I agree that to take on the elite teams in the west we will need a good line-up of big men, and thus a way to get them all appropriate time. If Aldridge could swing to 3 in certain circumstances (obviously not if there is a particular defensive problem) he would be a very interesting piece in terms of the flexibility he could allow…
Agreed
I was pumped by the Millsap talk once I checked into him…
An Oden-Millsap-Aldridge front line would have been hard to handle for any team…
That being said, I like Miller a lot…
He looks awkward, but he can ball…not sure he is best suited for a McMillan style team, but he has carried us many, many times this season…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I'm still wondering
why nobody considers Pendergraph to be exactly what we keep saying we need? He’s really a PF, not a center (not that it even matters) but he’s a physical player and his only real downside right now is the amount of fouls he’s getting, which is typical for a young, physical player. I think in time he’ll be the cure for what ails us inside. He’s already shown an ability to score at the rim, shoot free throws, and even has a decent touch from 10-15 feet when necessary. Anyway, this is all completely off topic.
To OP, Miller is awesome, Bayless still has a lot to learn, and in 2 years I think it might be safe to hand over the reigns, but certainly not now or even next season. Anyway thats my .02
He's still green
Give him some time under his belt and he may be the banger we want. Right now, he’s a firey human foul machine.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Jeff's upside is Mark Bryant
that’s a useful player, but not the veteran swing 4-5 needed to backup both LMA and Greg on a contending team
Oden and Pendy will be the enforcers for the skinny guys like LMA and Camby, similar to the role Lucas (and Neal) played for Walton
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miller's season high is 52
’nuff said
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
Bayless isn't consistent enough overall or with his 3 point shot specifically to replace Miller in the starting lineup
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
Plus Miller would pout on the bench if this happened
#10, #21, #52
Pie Doesn't Win Championships, Cake Wins Championships
by The Arkitect on Mar 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you want to take our 2nd best player off the floor
to play more bayless. it makes no sense. without miller the blazers are hoping for ping pong balls once again. he’s the main reason we’re gunning for the playoffs.
bayless could continue to develop into a reasonable point guard but he’s not there yet and it makes no sense to sit your best players when you’re trying to win games.
He would be very justified to be upset if Bayless replaced him at this point!
Miller is the better player, and it’s not really close. Bayless probably has a better upside than Miller, but he is terribly inconsistent at this point. He is a lot like Webster in that respect.
If Bayless ever produced a career similar to Dre's
The blazers would be very, very happy. That is basically like comparing apples and oranges though, which might be the underlying problem….
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
dude, pass that stuff over here man
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein
Really?
Bayless may be able to play the point someday, but for now it helps him to watch a real point guard at work. By the way, did anyone see JB’s face when Andre through it down against Denver. He looked confused, like he had no idea Andre had it in him. It was hilarious.
"I just played my game. I didn't do anything special. Just take the open shot, make cuts to basket, get rebounds. That's it." ~Nic Batum
Bayless doesn't have a 3 point shot.
He does have a good toe on the line 2 pointer though.
by Bskey on Mar 8, 2010 9:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I don't have the stats to back it up
But I feel like Bayless hits about 70% of those.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
agreed
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Mar 9, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
So what your saying here is Bayless Sucks, I agree
Trade him for cheaper beer prices.
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Does your chart have a place for the 7.5 FTA Bayless is averaging per 36 minutes
Bayless TS% is up to .547 which is outstanding because of the phenominal amount of times he is able to get to the line. If you don’t include that, you are not telling the whole story.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
54.7% TS isn’t actually that outstanding, though. I am a Bayless fan, but he’s not exactly Brandon Roy.
#52
Actually .547 is better than Roy's second year at .531
It ranks Bayless 20th among all PGs, and is particularly good among young PGs:
Lawson .605
G Hill .572
S Curry .559
Bayless .547
Chalmers .547
A Brooks .546
T Evans .539
D Collison .534
D Rose .524
R Sessions .519
M Conley .516
J Flynn .509
Holiday .502
Augustin .500
Westbrook .492
Stuckey .476
Jennings .468
Maynor .463
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
your statement was not qualified by his age or experience. Being twentieth at his position, when his best skill is scoring, does not qualify as “oustanding.”
#52
Give me a break
I shouldn’t have to explain to someone as knowledgeable as you that it makes more sense to compare Bayless to his fellow young PGs than it does to compare him to the likes of Billups, Nash, and Parker
I stand by my comment Bayless’ TS% is outstanding compared to the other young PGs in the league and his 7.5 FTA per 36 does stand as phenomenal.
The fact that Bayless TS% is better than Roy’s at age 24 proves the point. Bayless is already above Miller at .533
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
if that was your intent (noting age) in referencing Bayless’ true shooting, then there’s a case to be made. For his age and experience, he has been an efficient scorer this season, and probably quite a bit more efficient when playing alongside Brandon.
However, he will need to develop more a floor game and continue to improve defensively to be a good fit in Portland. Currently, he has a usage of 26. This will simply have to go down if he’s playing alongside Oden, Aldridge and Roy. Thus, he needs to continue developing as a spot-up shooter and defender.
Do I think he will develop further? I think the odds are good. He will be a good NBA player, and is above-average already, not an unimpressive for a young guard. Is he the guy for Portland? We’ll have to see.
#52
Nice to see that harmony and order have been returned to the universe....
……I agree with you on all points up to you last paragraph.
As is abundantly obvious, I am a bit more enthusiastic. I think Bayless has a chance to be special. His ability to get to the rim, at age 21, puts him i some rare and very fine company. If he gets better with his left hand and if his shooting continues to develop, he is going to be almost impossible to defend. Teams will have to bring help and that will create open opportunities for teammates.
If I were Nate, this coming summer, I would be encouraging both Roy and Aldridge to work on their 3 pt shooting. Roy and Bayless taking turns creating, and with each other, Nic and LMA all able to hit from three, this team has a chance to be devastating on offense. Not to mention Oden with a TS over .600 in the middle.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that you believe in Bayless, I get that. He was kinda terrible last year, and has dramatically improved this season, morphing into an above-average NBA player. The growth curve there, his desire to get better, and his athleticism and natural ability are very promising.
My only trepidation with Jerryd is that, if Oden, Roy, and Aldridge all demand high usage, and Jerryd can’t develop his three point shot into a dangerous weapon, then he might be a poor fit. It may end up that we want a point guard who demands a very low usage and is a deadly three point shooter. We just don’t know yet.
#52
It may end up that we want a point guard who demands a very low usage and is a deadly three point shooter. We just don’t know yet
.
So what your saying here is we should get Conley…
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Blake would be better...
Lol, seriously. He demands less usage, and he’s a better shooter. Probably cheaper, too.
how about....
we stop changing our starting lineup?……barring another injury….
...and that's the bottom line 'cause nicolas batum said so!
we tried that...
cuz roy was having hammy issues.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Mar 9, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
Have Bayless coach!
He wouldn’t be afraid to get a ‘T’.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
We should start two point guards...
And pretend the center spot doesn’t exist. Voila, no more injuries!
Greg Oden: just a large power forward.
Przybilla: a defensive-minded SF with no jumper (think early Luol Deng)
we tried that too...
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Mar 9, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
No.
No way Bayless helps us more than Dre does. Dre deserves the minutes.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
Buy out Miller?
Surprised you didn’t say send him to the NBDL.
No way Bayless is a bum who can barely dribble a ball let alone start
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Nice to see how you really think
Shows you haven’t been paying attention much.
Bayless’ per minute stats are just about on par with D Rose. In case you missed it, he was R.O.Y. and an all-star.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Derrick Rose is THE guy teams gameplan against
Bayless is probably the 4th or 5th priority on this team, that is a major factor. If you want to make the case that stats show he plays a similar style to Rose, I’ll buy that. But saying his stats show that he is anywhere close to the level Rose plays at is flat out wrong…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Actually, if you crunch the numbers, it is far more complicated
On one hand, you are obviously correct. Playing starter minutes means tougher opponents and more defensive attention.
OTOH, being a reserve means that your role and PT are far less consistent. According to Ben’s shake stats Bayless has seen the second most fluctuation of any player on the team.
Bayless played more than 24 minutes in 14 games for a total of 413 minutes;
He played between 12 and 24 minutes in 27 games for a total of 471 minutes;
and he played less than 12 (or DNP CD) in 20 games for a total 0f 97 minutes.
That means nearly 45% of his minutes came in games he started in place of Roy. Teams were certainly game planning for him in those games. Bayless has actually performed better overall in games where he has played more than 20 minutes as opposed to games where he has played less than 20 minutes.
I think the bottom line is that it cuts both ways. More minutes and regular minutes give players an advantage, whether this outweighs the negative impact of better competition and more defensive preparation is a matter for much discussion.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
they actually are very similar stylistically. Rose is more coordinated finishing at the rim, probably. But saying Bayless is a poor man’s Rose isn’t too bad of a statement. He’s a much better defender than Rose, certainly.
#52
A lot of the comments on this thread are pretty ridiculously unfair to Jerryd
but I think these comparisons with Derrick Rose are still pretty ridiculous. Per minute stats can show us lots of fun things when you compare guys who are of wildly different importance to their teams, particularly simple scoring efficiency stats like TS%.
For example, looking at the per 36 minute stats of 4 different PFs this year we have players A, B, C, and D’s per 36 minute stats:
player A: 17.9 pts, 8.4 rebs, 61.4% TS
player B: 18.1 pts, 7.8 rebs, , 55.2 % TS
player C: 16.8 pts, 7.8 rebs, 54.0% TS
player D: 16.3 pts, 9.9 rebs, 52.6% TS
All pretty comparable, but while I think he’s generally pretty overrated here, I would never think to say that Craig Smith (A), Ryan Anderson (B), and Ersan Ilyasova (D) are playing anywhere near the same level as LaMarcus Aldridge (you could also throw Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick, and Andray Blatche’s seasons in there as well). They’re simply in much different situations that allow them to be more efficient whereas LaMarcus is going to be playing regardless of the matchup/situation.
As Rudiculous said, Rose’s name is first on the scouting report when you’re playing Chicago. Jerryd’s is 3rd down the list at best when you play Portland. He has a similar style, but it’s hard to say much beyond that at this point. Obviously both will continue to improve in the future, but we might as well be comparing the Lopez brothers at this point.
As you said below, he’s well-suited to his current role and that could change if he continues to improve, it’d just be nice, personally, if it took more than 2 straight decent games before we have the latest iteration of the “we need to make this guy the starter right now” discussion.
#52
by Royster on Mar 9, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, your point is well taken. I don’t pretend that Jerryd is Derrick Rose. I think they are extremely similar, stylistically, and that’s more what I was getting at. Jerryd is a less-good Derrick Rose, in terms of very athletic scoring guards.
Jerryd is in a role tailor-made for him to succeed, while Rose is taking on each team’s best. There is a definite gap there.
#52
Yeah, didn't mean it as an attack
just wanted to piggy back on the “poor man’s Rose point” to talk about the comparison some since the Bayless/Rose conflation recently has seemed to hinge on comparing their per minute stats.
#52
I really appreciated your headline and....
……I recognize the limitations of Per Minute stats and the validity of Rudiculous’ point about defensive attention. However, I think the point I made about fluctuating roles and minutes for guys who are part time starters has some validity as well.
Bayless’ per minute stats are not the result of blowing up a guy who is getting small numbers with the second unit or lots of garbage time minutes. Nearly half of Bayless’ minutes have come as a starter in place of an injured Roy. I think it is complicated.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
.....and I should mention that I am not claiming that Bayless is Rose
I am trying to makes some comparisons to show that what he has accomplished this season is not chopped liver.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll take it to a whole ’nuther level. I say start Mills and let Miller pout by himself on the baseline some more. Mill has the most potential out of any Blazer.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Mills is the answer, he should start
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
START THEM BOTH
MAKE ROY SIT ON THE BENCH AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HE’S DONE.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Timeouts work for my kid why not Roy.
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Remember that 2 on 1 fast break with Aldridge?
It’s SO obvious that he’s a PG. Wake up and smell the coffee!
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Wrong
Trade Miller and Bayless and start Oden at PG
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
I'd like to start Oden at PG but
with so much nudity I’ve gotta start him at “NC-17”
by mlsinpdx on Mar 9, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent...
Have to rec this..
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
Bayless is a poor man's Stevie Francis
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
by Net Ranger on Mar 9, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Which poor man has Bayless?
…and who has Stevie Francis? An upper middle-class woman?
Based on what?
Frances was a good player with a bad attitude.
What have we ever heard that suggests that Bayless is a lousy teammate or uncoachable?
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
What an amazing collection of ill informed comments
I do agree it makes sense to have Miller as the starter for now. He is far more experienced and a much more accomplished distributor.
Having said that, I think the original poster’s idea is not too far from the mark. Bayless is already a better shooter than Dre from distance and a more logical partner to be on the floor when Roy is going to be dominating the ball. Bayless is rapidly becoming a better defender than Dre and much better against uber-quick penetrating PGs.
No doubt Dre is the better distributor, but that may make him an even better choice for the second team where his playmaking skills are really needed.
I think by early next season, the time will come when it makes sense for Bayless to become the low minutes starter and Dre to become a high minutes reserve. Roy and Nic can help share the playmaking with Jerryd, and Dre can run the second unit.
Bayless’ PER is at 16.2 making him the second highest PER of any non-starting PG in the league. His 3pt shot is over 30% and is liable to improve dramatically as he gets better at getting his toes behind the line. Bayless TS% is already higher than Miller .547 to .533.
Those of you who act like this is absurd and out of the question need to actually think this through.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The first unit needs a distribute first pg also capable of creating some buckets for himself
Bayless can only do the latter right now, and not even that part of his game has been consistent. What Miller gives up in on the ball defense, he makes up for in generating turnovers in passing lanes and hitting the boards on both end of the floor. Starting Bayless over Miller is absurd and out of the question…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
so when teams double roy in crunch time. Who do u have out on the floor?
Anytime i see the ball rotate to miller and hes wide he hesitates to shoot. Why do u think denver had billups doubling on roy every time?
we need shooters to space the floor out. If they double, so be it there will be a guy wide open. If not roy can do work
He is not there yet, but he will likely be there soon.
Bayless has improved his 3 pt % by over .060 this season. If he could get his toes behind the line, all those long 2s he hits would be 3s and he would be over 35%. Given his work ethic it won’t be long. I would place a wager that Bayless is over 35% from 3 next season.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Let's discuss your comments:
1) You say we need a distribute first PG: Why? Roy is the primary ball handler on the first team, just like Kobe is the primary ball-handler for the Lakers. Bayless and Roy can share responsibilities for initiating the offense in much the same way Clyde and TP did back in the day.
2) You say Bayless isn’t a consistent scorer: Bayless is averaging 18.4 pts per 36 minutes with a TS% of .547 which is better than Dre’s. Bayless is arguably the second best scorer on the team after Roy. What you don’t seem to be factoring into the equation is Bayless’ outstanding ability to get to the line. He is averaging 7.5 FTA per 36 minutes, that is in the range of D Wade, Kobe, and LeBron.
My point is that as soon as Bayless has a bit more experience as a distributor and has demonstrated a bit more consistency with his jumper, he is going to be a better fit next to Roy. I’m not saying he will be the better overall PG, he will be the better fit, which is why I would make him a low minutes starter and Dre a high minutes back-up.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless is being put in a role that is very suited to him. Andre’s game is extremely different. He calms the team, distributes, runs the offense, and is simply a more cerebral player.
Bayless is not on this level right now, which isn’t an indictment against him. Andre is one of the better point guards of his era, and expecting Bayless to match him in court savvy isn’t fair.
I like Jerryd, but he is not asked to do the things Andre is.
#52
Hope you find this. Sorry it took me awhile to find your comment
Bayless’ role has been all over the map this season: scrap minutes as 5th guard, back-up SG, starting SG, combo guard and now finally back-up PG on an extremely short leash. According to Ben’s shake graph he has had the second most fluctuation in his minutes of the entire team. The fact that he has been able to compile the kind of stats he has with all the changes given his age and inexperience should, IMO, be taken as a testament to his talent.
As I indicated in my original comment, I agree Miller should be the starter for now. Bayless isn’t ready. But I don’t think it takes to much imagination to see that he is coming on strong and that there will likely come a point in the next year or so when it will make sense to give Bayless a shot at playing next to Roy.
The most logical scenario in my mind is to start by putting Bayless on the floor with Roy in the fourth when Roy usually dominates the ball anyway. Bayless can take some turns initiating the offense and trying to run some pick and rolls or some isos to give Roy a breather. Bayless is already a better spot-up shooter than Dre. Rudy can fill this role sometimes but neither he nor Roy are effective defending most PGs.
If Bayless can be effective next to Roy in some minutes late, it won’t be much of a stretch to making him a low minutes starter, and then let Miller use his full arsenal with the second unit.
by upper left corner on Mar 11, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Why so belligerent?
Can’t you see how fast Bayless is coming on?
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
he’s behind Andre, and Andre is a really good point guard. Bayless, in his current role, is a bench sparkplug. Especially considering ’Dre’s play coming off the bench, there is very little reason to bench him in favor of Jerryd.
#52
If you read my longer post above....
……you will see that I agreed. But if Bayless continues to improve, the idea of starting Bayless needs to be considered in the not to distant future. The logic is the same as starting Blake over Andre, better fit next to Roy. Allow Dre to use his full arsenal with the second unit while Bayless shares playmaking responsibilities next to Roy.
Not now, but soon…….
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, not yet.
Maybe next year.
Bayless still hasn’t developed the skills we need.
The 2012-13 NBA season: a dynasty begins.
I have heard from unreliable sources
That Bayless eats cute fluffy kittens… CUTE FLUFFY KITTENS MAN!, this guy in no way fits in with the image the Portland Trailblazers are trying to portray, I say we ship him out of town as fast as we possibly can…
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
by jlarose78 on Mar 9, 2010 3:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If you give me a choice of PG's who either DO or DO NOT eat fluffy kittens...
…I’m taking the vicious kitten eater every time.
Eating of Cute Pets = Wins
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Some day[next year?] Miller is going to have to accept
That he not going to be a starter for ever,I hope he dosen’t have a mental health meltdown when that day comes
He should stop being a starter when he stops being the best PG on the team.
That has yet to happen in the last 10+ years and won’t happen next year as long as he’s on the Blazers. If you’re worried about a so called “meltdown” based on him wanting to starting earlier this year, it had a lot more to do with being the far superior PG on the team and still riding the pine for Steve Blake. That would affect plenty of PG’s “mental health.”
Why on earth would we start Bayless?
He’s the worst player on the team! Worse than Travis Diener! Greg Oden is a better ballhandler than Jerryd and he doesn’t get blocked half as often!
Official Adrian Wojnarowski Hater.
The Ardent Optimist.
Trade Bayless and Rudy
Then start Collison
Me want Conley
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
It is so tough with this kid.....
There are moments when he looks great, a poor mans Rondo even. But lately when he comes in I find my stomach get sour. Screaming at every stupid turnover. And when he starts dribbling between his legs before he takes an ill advised long jump shot, there is a new broken coffee mug on the kitchen floor. And the funny thing is, I don’t know why. I know he is going to make mistakes, I know he is young and I expect it even. But there is something about him I just can’t stand. Maybe it’s because he has his name tattooed on his back. I just don’t know.
Having your own name tattooed on yourself is a sign of weakness and poor memory in many cultures
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Not to mention poor judgment and decision making abilities
Not qualities I would want in a starting PG…
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
lol
I was merely joking about the tattoo, although I would never do it. Interestingly enough, he is a very smart and personable guy. I admire what he has delt with while playing in Portland because I do think he deserves playing time, it’s just I would rather have Rudy, Roy, and Miller play ahead of him. I am sure he will continue to improve, in Portland or on another team. I just cant put my finger on why I get anxiety-ish when he is on the court.
Is this Tom's kid?
Yeah let’s bench the guy that has as much to do with us being in the playoff picture as anyone on the team for one of our most inconsistent players who doesn’t have half the idea of how to run a team at point. When I say Miller has been as valuable as anyone on our team this year I’m taking into account that playing every game does matter. Just honestly imagine how many less wins we’d have this year without him, especially with that Royless stretch. I’m not sure if you’ve been watching Miller this year, but he plays with plenty of “fire.” The guy gives 100 every game and you trade him out for Bayless at the starting spot over the course of a year and you have at least 10 less wins.
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