Joel Przybilla: The Day After
As Seth Pollack was so nice to inform you yesterday while I was stuck on an airplane (there were no snakes, by the way), Casey Holdahl at Blazers.com reported that Joel Przybilla has re-ruptured the right patella tendon in his knee.
Here are the latest updates followed by some analysis of what this means for both Przybilla and the Blazers.
Chris Tomasson on FanHouse writes...
"Now, even our injured players are getting injured,'' lamented Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan before Sunday night's game at Denver.
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Although McMillan and other Trail Blazers officials didn't want to speculate on when Przybilla might be able to return, the injury could be career threatening for Przybilla, 30, who has one more season left on his contract at $7.4 million.
..."It's a tough situation,'' said Trail Blazers center Marcus Camby, who was acquired last month from the Los Angeles Clippers to help fill the void due to the injuries to Oden and Przybilla. "They were saying before (that Przybilla's injury) was going to be pretty tough to come back from. But now, after doing it again, hopefully God is on his side and he can make a miraculous comeback. But it's going to take some time.''
Jason Quick on the Joel Przybilla injury...
The team said there is no timetable for his return. After his original injury and surgery, the team estimated a return at 6-to-8 months. But a source said because this is a re-injury, the timetable for his return can be more difficult to determine. Training camp is seven months away.
The injury all but guarantees Przybilla will exercise his option to return next season to the Blazers at more than $6 million. Przybilla had been deciding whether to opt-out and test his worth on the free agent market.
Coup from Rip City Project writes...
A doctor I spoke to today speculated that Joel would be out for all of the 2010-11 season, which is the final year of his contract, assuming he picks up his player option this summer
There are really two paths here: Joel Przybilla can either pick up his player option for next season (roughly $7.4 million dollars) this summer or he can retire.
To this point, Przybilla has given every indication that he wants to continue playing: His statements over the last few months, his upbeat attitude through the initial stages of rehab and his age (He's a young 30 as his odometer is not nearly as high as many big men due to previous injuries and playing backup minutes for many years) all make retirement an extremely unlikely option, especially in the short term. There is always the possibility that the re-rupture is particularly serious and could be, as Tomasson calls it, career-ending. That determination, one would think, would not be made before a full rehabilitation process is completed. As Przybilla is eligible to pick up his player option early this summer, well before a determination about his potential career ahead of him might be made accurately, picking up the option and then hoping for the best is a no-brainer. If he decides later that a comeback is no longer a possibility, the money would still be rightfully his. He would be financially foolish to leave that money on the table.
Although Przybilla's recovery timeline has been pushed back an as yet undetermined amount of time, from a pure salary cap standpoint, the re-rupture doesn't change things all that much for the Blazers. Prior to the re-injury, Przybilla was nearly certain to pick up his player option for two reasons. First, his market value next summer would have far exceeded his market value this summer because he was set to be rehabbing all the way through to training camp before the re-injury. Second, demand on the open market this summer for a center coming off a serious knee injury wasn't likely to exceed the size of his player option for next year anyway. Also important to note: insurance will soon kick in for Przybilla once he misses 41 games due to the injury this season and that will carry over into next season. There will be some solid financial relief once all is said and done; The relief increases as his absence increases. In short, the Blazers were almost certainly preparing for this summer knowing they would be paying Przybilla next season. Of course they were also expecting that he would be able to take the court. That's where things start to get more complicated.
Once Przybilla picks up his option, his salary will count in full against the Blazers' books next season regardless of whether he plays or not. Given its large size, that salary will limit the Blazers' flexibility to no small degree. Next season, the big dollar contract extensions for both Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge will kick in while the overall salary cap figure is projected to be in the $53-55 million range. Put simply, the Blazers will have more than half of their salary cap figure committed to just three players: Brandon Roy ($13.5 million), LaMarcus Aldridge ($10.7 million) and Przybilla ($7.4 million). That's not a huge deal if Pryzbilla is healthy and able to contribute big minutes in the middle. But if he's not, that's a $7.4 million anchor.
It is an anchor but it's not the end of the world. Somewhat incredibly, the Blazers have 5 potential rotation players -- Jerryd Bayless, Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, Dante Cunningham and Jeff Pendergraph -- on the books next year for a combined roughly $6 million dollars. That's pretty crazy to think about, huh? I think it's fair to say that Przybilla's injury makes trading any one of those players -- who all provide good value and a solid return on their current contracts -- that much more difficult and unlikely.
Although I hate to speculate this far ahead, it's likely that Przybilla will take his place in a developing line of Caucasian trade deadline chips, following in the hobbling footsteps of Raef LaFrentz (last season) and Matt Harpring (this season). Przybilla's salary will possess all the desired characteristics for a team looking to dump salary and/or save money: it will be quite large, it will expire at the end of the season, and it will be covered in large part by insurance. One possibility that jumps off the trade machine would be packaging an increasingly disposable Martell Webster with Joel Przybilla's Expiring Contract to get to roughly $12 million, enough to bring back either a quality center or an adequate backup and a bad contract that a team is looking to dump.
There are no real winners when it comes to serious knee injuries but if there's an obvious winner here it's Marcus Camby. Portland's desire to retain him just increased considerably whether they will publicly admit that or not. The question, as always, will be price. Interest from the Clippers, the Knicks and the Nuggets has already been reported. In recent years, the Blazers haven't often found themselves in bidding wars and that is not an accident whatsoever. One of the easiest ways to make a cap-crippling mistake is to enter a bidding war, especially a bidding war over a player that is past his prime. Indeed, the Blazers lost the one true bidding war they did enter, over Hedo Turkoglu, and that has worked out better than if they had won it. There's no question they learned from that experience.
The deciding factor for Camby this summer could very likely be the same factor that brought Andre Miller to Portland: Which team is willing to give him multiple guaranteed years? For a player Camby's age, despite his continued ability to significantly impact games, it would surprise me if Portland was willing to offer him two years guaranteed at a big number. I say this mainly because the team is really looking for a third big man (behind Greg Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge) rather than a starter. Committing big dollars to Camby is not impossible but I think it's reasonable to assume that the Blazers will have other, more affordable options on the table, whether that be potential trade targets, a center they find in the draft or Joel Freeland. If Camby is simply looking for a pay day, and who could blame him, history dictates that more likely than not it will come from someone other than Portland.
Life just got substantially more complicated both for Przybilla and Blazers management. For Przybilla, you feel for a man who must start an arduous rehabilitation process all over again. For the Blazers, you feel for their uncertainty as they can no longer simply bide time until an expected return. But these are the breaks of the game. As Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey said so succinctly to a group of 1,000 Sloan Sports Analytics Conference attendees eager to hear how they might break into the professional sports industry, "If you can predict injuries, a job is waiting."
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
PS The Full Court Press is coming soon.
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What a total bummer. I especially do not appreciate the ‘career ending’ part. Joel was/is one of my very favorites because of his steel toe boot work ethic. If I saw his last game, then we all lose on this. Good luck, joel.
by 1ofthe7 on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I have a feeling that
JPEC will enter our lexicon just as did RLEC.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
That was my first thought...
I wonder how many people flashed back to all the RLEC talk….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Sad ... good thing we have Camby
Really hope for his sake that Joel can come back from this.
For the Blazers, it makes the Camby signing that much more important. I don’t know about loyalty or anything, but I know Camby is being financially astute when he says Portland is the front-runner to re-sign him. The Nugs can only offer MLE. The Clips could pay more, but probably wouldn’t for a backup C. The Knicks are a legitimate possibility, but it depends on how much money they have left after chasing superstars.
The Blazers though can offer something like 2 years at $7 mil per, which is a nice premium over MLE, doesn’t put the Blazers in cap heck and gives Portland a nice manageable expiring contract in the 2011-2012 season if needed.
I could care less about Camby or $$$
I really really miss Joel as a person, a motivator for our team, and for what he had to impart to incoming Blazer centers.
I am very sad that such bad luck is happening to such a good guy.
we can still win........
ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE....
When it rains it pours….Wish you all the best Pryz!! Hope to see you back on the court!!
Przy
30’s not that old, it seems like Przy has a loooooooooooooooooong rehab ahead of him but I would think the odds would be good that he could still have a few years of good playing career left after the injury has healed.
Pryz is NOT a "young 30" as ben put it
the guy is now in his 10th season and only 4 times has he played more than 56 games.
a center with that kind of injury history tends to get old very quickly.
the writing was on the wall when he first ruptured his patella. it’s a devastating injury for an athlete.
this re-rupture will make his return remarkable, not probable.
Strange Idea...
Ok, so I’m certain there must be some pretty big holes in this idea but hear me out.
Almost everyone will agree that losing Przy hurts way more than just the hit against our cap. Prz is a locker room guy who brought intensity, desire and drive. All of which reverberated through the players around him. That being said, it would really hurt to lose his presence.
Idea: 1) Prz declines taking his player option for the 10-11 season, retiring from the game of basketball. 2) Trailblazers free up 7.4 million in cap space giving them unrestricted room to sign someone serviceable. 3) Paul Allen “hires” Prz as an assistance big man coach, more or less giving Maurice Lucas a deserved year to recoup . Paul Allen hires Prz on a one year contract for $5 mil, making sure that Prz’s unselfish decision of not hurting the team against the cap is rewarded with an extremely generous salary, a salary that does not go against the teams cap space. 4) After the one year of coaching Prz will be rehabilitated to a point where he knows whether he can continue playing or not, wherein he can decide to come out of retirement as an unrestricted free agent.
There is the idea… please shoot holes in it as its a big target with fresh paint.
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" ...Buck Williams
Pretty clearly circumventing the salary cap
Which is a big no-no. Rememer when Minnesota signed Joe Smith under the table and lost 18 million draft picks?
well, if that's "circumventing" the salry cap (no sayin' it isn't)
the salary cap needs to change. I don’t think it should be to force people to sign contracts when they can’t play.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Well, the guaranteed contracts will certainly be on the table
in the upcoming negotiations. Many teams have been crippled by bad contracts and injuries related to guaranteed contracts.
I have no problem with the guaranteed contracts
but if a player and org are facing this uncertain of a situation and this sort of idea were the option, they should have some wiggle room available…
Of course, then you never know what kind of pressure would be put on injured players to negotiate, assuming good faith is never a good way to implement these kind of rules…
That would be a tough change to make and protect the players, the players association won’t give mych ground here I doubt…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
well yeah, for instance, they could at least make any guaranteed contract of a player
out with injuries not count against the cap space allotment. The player still gets paid, which is presumably what the player’s union wants, but the team can get an operational player to replace him. I mean, it’s enough penalty to have to pay a guy who can’t play without adding a luxury tax to that penalty.
I would probably take it a step further to putting a limit on pay to a player out with injuries to a mid level. You don’t want to pay the max contract to an impact player who is not going to have any good impact unable to play. He could still gets millions, just not 10 million, which messes up the franchise, if he has a catastrophic injury. That shares the cost between player and franchise…
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Would it be though?
It’s not circumventing when Pryz would not be playing a single minute of basketball for the year. Unethical… arguable.
We would be paying him just like any other coach we pay on the payroll. Only difference is that this contract would be waaaay over market norms. (Paul Allen taking care of his players that injure themselves on the teams time, aka Patty Mills)
If after the year of coaching Pryz decided to play again, he would have zero ties to the Blazers organization. Better put, the Blazers would have zero advantage over any other team trying to sign him as an unrestricted.
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" ...Buck Williams
by BuckwillFUup on Mar 8, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think the key is him declining his option first
If his contract just expired after this year (like Camby’s), then I don’t see any problem with the team signing him as a coach. But I think the league would really scrutinize the fact that he’s turning down a really good deal, which happens to give the team financial flexibility, and the team also happens to sign him to an above market deal as a coach.
But I’m no CBA guru. Storyteller? Douglast? Anyone else?
I guess that is where find trouble..
For a guy(Pryz) who will have made $33 mil, I find it horrible that the league would scrutinize the unselfish act of not taking 7 million when you physically cannot provide ANY benefit on the court.
The fact that the Blazers would (in my hypothetical world) give an above average coaching contract should be praised not scrutinized.
Again, I know this is all highly hypothetical, but I think this is the state of the NBA in regards to $ and it is a shame.
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" ...Buck Williams
by BuckwillFUup on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but these rules
are structured the way they are to protect players more than teams. teams would have a ton of leverage against an injured player in these types of talks. While Paul Allen and the Blazers might be fair and do right by their players, there is no gaurantee that would be the case across the league. the players union would be nuts to give much ground on contract gaurantees.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Be careful in the shower....
I too slipped when I was supposed to be non weight bearing and it wrapped my leg under me and hurt like a son of a gun. I don’t think I did any additional damage though. The funny thing is the doctor warned me about the shower… I guess it is pretty common.
Yeah, I have taken note of other news reports where a bathroom slip
changed or ended a career. I kicked a hole through a bathroom wall once myself. Get frisky in the bath at your own risk !
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
The medical history for pro athletes injuring and then re-injuries this tendon/ligament is slim to none
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/12/8/1190861/patella-injuries-in-nba-history
Joel’s best case now (and probably even after the first injury) might be Antonio McDyess. He was around Joel’s age (slightly younger) when he partially tore it and then re-injured it later again. The two might want to get in contact.
Alonzo Mourning and Damon Stoudemire both retired after the first rupture, yet both were older. Kelenna Azubuike is rehabilitating that injury right now, he’s also younger than Joel but relies more on his athleticism so we’ll see where that goes.
I hope Joel can make a full recovery, he was never an explosive player but he needs his strength in his knees and legs to hold his ground in the post. If everything goes according to plan from here on out, who knows, he could be back by Christmas.
But a “third” center is an absolute necessity now. Even Marcus statistically has missed ca. 25 games each season so far, and he’s not getting younger. Greg is 1 of 3 seasons. Joel Freeland (6’11") and Jeff or a re-signed vet like Juwan “time-sharing” could be another option. Ideally we would have someone younger who can grow into the backup role for the MLE or in a summer/mid-season trade.
3rd big man
First of all, we know that both Nate and KP have said they didn’t acquire Camby to be a 2+ month rental. (This was before Joel reinjured his knee.) I think Portland will pay Marcus what it takes to keep him in town, how much and for how long is up for debate
2nd, there is certainly more of a potential role for Freeland next fall now than there was last week, but the Blazers need a veteran 4-5 more than another rookie to break in. Freeland might be a better option than Pendergraph, but until JF straps ’em up against Jeff in summer league or fall camp we have no way of knowing for sure
3rd, if for some reason Camby signs elsewhere, using to MLE to acquire a different veteran 4-5 (Brad Miller comes to mind) might make more sense than adding another kid who’s younger than 25. The Blazers are in contending mode now, and they’ll need “more” than Juwan backing up Greg and LMA
Finally, if Przybilla is able to rehab his knee (and if his EC isn’t used as a trading chip next February) he could be a key addition in 11-12 months as Portland prepares for the 2011 playoffs. (This situation reminds me of a high-quality baseball pitcher who has had TJ surgery and remains on the DL until August…his team gets a “free” upgrade to their staff who can contribute mightily to their post season roster.) Joel could be a nice shot in the arm to Portland’s big man depth in 12 months, so until he is deemed medically unable to return in 2011 I’m holding out hope for this scenario, and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the Blazer’s organization feels the same way
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If Camby doesn’t re-sign (and also considering his known propensity to miss a number of games himself), like Ben I would wonder aloud if they Blazers don’t try to package e.g. Joel and another player like Martell earlier to acquire a guy with a longer contract from someone who wants to drop that. I would agree that they’ll likely first try to re-sign Camby if he wants to stay and they don’t have to hand him a too long or too expensive deal.
I mentioned it before
But I want Gortat as our 3rd big….or our 4th big if we manage to re-sign Camby….I think we could get Gortat and Pietrus for Miller and Webster (the salaries are pretty close, plus Orlando will need someone to backup Jameer Nelson), then we could hang on to Joel until the trading deadline and get some other piece of the puzzle that we need at that time depending on injuries, glaring holes that need to be filled, etc….and yes, I am fully aware that trading away Miller would mean the combination of Rudy, Roy, and Bayless at the point, and I’m ok with that!
I don't see Camby voluntarily becoming a backup
Even at this point in his career, and since other teams will be willing to pay him starter’s money I think he’s gone. I agree about needing another veteran C; what about Ronny Turiaf? Golden State’ll have no need for him after the 2010 draft because they’ll most likely be getting a big guy with their top-five pick, he’s got a decent contract situation, and he’s a solid shotblocker. Might be worth taking a look at.
Looking forward to the draft
We can dump an expendable and move up and snatch Cole Aldrich, who is pretty much a younger Przybilla. Hate to see Przy go since he’s my favorite Blazer ever
Due to Joel's wife's penchance for fiscal conservatism...
I’d be willing to bet my 401k that Joel picks up his player option. Nobody in their right mind would leave $7.4MM just sitting out there.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
No kidding
odds are he will earn little more than the veteran’s minimum with his new contract, this could be his last big payday. $7.4 million is more than plenty to retire on, so at least there’s that. I will always appreciate what Joel did to help pull us out of the Jailblazer era.
According to basketball reference
Joel has had $28M in career earnings up to last year (meaning it isn’t including this year or next year). That means he’s had career earnings of $40M+. If he can’t find a way to retire comfortably on that, I don’t have any pity for him…but I’m sure he’ll be just fine. Its not like he’s sporting ridiculous jewelery and fancy cars.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Although he is rocking that SUV with the voice-activated stereo
“Love like ours is hard to find…”
Oregon Football: Keeping Oregon State out of the Rose Bowl since 2008
I don't pity him financially
but I know my brother can’t play golf or even bowl due to back injuries, two things he loved to do and was decent at…I know how hard it is to have these things taken away from you by injury…
best wishes to Joel…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
something else I noticed from storyteller's website
Joel has a 15% trade “kicker” attached to his contract. So if he is dealt sometime next year he’ll get another cool 1.1 mil added to that 7.4
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I has injuries on my injuries
Sucks. Flat out sucks. So many reasons why it sucks, but mostly to me it’s that Joel gave up more money and a chance at a ring to stay here. I would want that sacrifice to be rewarded with a ring. Instead we have a season of injuries and his reinjury will likely cost him another season. On top of that the lack of conditioning will hurt as well.
I’m rooting for him.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Clear conclusion:
We have to win a ring next year, for Joel.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Agreed!
Joel is young (—it’s amazing how good sports medicine is out here on the west coast—)
Joel has earned our loyalty.
’nuf said?
#1 Fan of the Blazer Geezer Squad! Proving that life exists after 30 and beyond. Love the classics: Camby, Miller and Howard!
So....
what do we take away from this? If you are a Blazer center not only can you not be on the court and play, you also cannot take a shower.
That'll make us better at scoring
since no defender would want to rub up on our grime
It just feels bad
I know 10 years in the NBA is a fantasy for most of us, as well as the money that goes along with it. I do hope the Przys were able to put a good portion of that in a safe place. But I feel so bad for a guy who put it all on the floor night after night. You don’t see that type of effort from most players. On this current roster, maybe Brandon gives as much consistent effort as Joel, but nobody else comes close. So it must hurt for him to be wondering if his playing career is over. If anyone can make it back from a “career ending” injury, it’s Joel.
wasn't it Joel who once explained the concept of a 401k to Zach?
“it’s like free money because the team matches whatever you contribute”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That's true, to an extent
They can only match up to a certain percentage of what you contribute, or a percentage of what your overall wage is
Blazers win!
"(Andre Miller) got a steal of a Brandon Rush pass in the backcourt and with a clear path to the hoop looked like he was actually going to dunk it with those 64-year-old legs. I believe that in true Darryl Dawkins fashion he was going to dub it the Miller-Time Pop-Top Rammin' Jammin' That's-For-TiH-and-his-Spammin' Thunderdawg Special. Unfortunately it got blocked. He did get to go to the line off the play at least. So he settled for calling the free throws "TiH Cheap Shots"." - Dave after a 102-79 beatdown of the Indiana Pacers
find another big
I hope the blazers don’t resign Camby unless they get a good deal. If it comes to a bidding war i’d let him walk and find another big. I do hope the blazers resign Juwan Howard as he is a great asset to the team. Oden will be back and in the starting lineup and probably in some foul trouble so juwann will still get a lot of playtime. I just don’t see Camby in a Blazers uniform next year.
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
by slim503 on Mar 9, 2010 11:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I actually would like to see Joel return if he can play at the same level. I really don't think we are over paying him
for what he brought to the team. His defense was really important and the perfect compliment to Oden. Although, it’s tough to choose between Camby or Joel. I really like Camby’s defense on his rebounding. I think maybe he gives us what Joel did, but I’ll have to see in the playoffs.

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