A Collis[i]on of Redundancy at the Point
[I apologize if any of this is repetitious OR redundant, and I acknowledge several people have brought up somewhat similar points in the past. Therefore, thank you for the ideas (: ]
Yes, the trade deadline is long past. Yes, our trade options have been gone over hundreds, if not thousands of times on this site alone. And NO, I am not proposing a trade, just proposing we keep our eyes and ears on a young man in the league who has proven himself a hot commodity.
That's right, I'm talking Darren Collison: backup point guard, drafted by the New Orleans Hornets in the 1st round (21st overall) in 2009. Averaging 10.4 points, 4.6 assists, 2.4 rebounds, and making about 1.5 million this year in his first 55 games. As his scouting report suggests, he is very fast and very capable & confident running an offense. A pure pass-first point guard who will pile up assists, but can also burn defenses for over-playing him by hitting long-range jumpers. His flaw is he needs to do a better job limiting turnovers, & is still learning how to get high-percentage looks. He does lack size and doesn't provide much as a rebounder, but I don't think we are necessarily looking for that at the point.
The thing is, Darren has been mostly superior to his stats since CP3 went out 4-6 weeks ago, as DC has been starting in his place. He's recorded three double doubles, one triple double, scored 20 or more points seven times, broken Paul's franchise rookie record with 18 assists, and helped the Hornets go 9-9 in his first 18 starts. Over a six game stretch in mid-February the 6-foot, 160 pound rookie hardly played like a part timer, matching Paul's scoring average (24.0 ppg) in the seven games prior to his left knee injury. The 22-year-old from UCLA has led New Orleans to surprising wins over Charlotte, Boston, and Houston (all playoff contenders) and has now scored 17+ points in his last seven games (as of late February), including 20 or more in 5 of 6. His surprising production has been a byproduct of an uncanny display of composure, especially in light of the current playoff race.
Now, don't ask me why we signed 6-foot-1 point guard Travis Diener, who has played four games for Indiana earlier this season before undergoing surgery on his big toe and was released by the Pacers (worst team ever!). The Blazers traded Steve Blake to the Los Angeles Clippers in the Marcus Camby deal Feb. 16 but have three other point guards on the roster: Andre Miller, Jerryd Bayless and rookie Patrick Mills. Now, I thought that part of the reason we traded Blake was to settle the PG pile-up we had this season, where Bayless was losing out on so many minutes that we had hoped to give him to acquaint him better into the league.
Diener is averaging 0.8 points, 0.5 rebounds, and 1.0 assists.
Alright, we know Andre Miller is not our point guard of the future, and so far we have given extremely limited minutes to Patty Mills for one reason or another, so therefore we can conclude that either Bayless is the man for the job, or will forever be a backup PG in our system (or a trade commodity). But for RIGHT NOW, Miller, Bayless, and Mills seemed more than acceptable, so why the need for Diener (or D. Wiener as I'd like to call him) for the playoffs?
KP, you've always been a man of the future, so figure out what you want to do at the Point. We could make Andre Miller a great trade commodity in a year's time, we could get a good amount in return for Bayless as well, but please, PLEASE, show some belief in what you have rather than pickup a 4th[!!!] pg when what we needed all along was a banger forward. However, if a true point guard is what we need in the future, please don't overlook Darren Collison.
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Don't worry about people not liking your post
It adds to the conversation and people on here, for the most part, won’t flame you unless you are completely anti-homer/Blazer.
Official Adrian Wojnarowski Hater.
The Ardent Optimist.
No, I will flame him just for his Blaze apologia
However, though I have no way to prove this, I was hoping the Blazers would in fact draft Collison. The guy has always demonstrated an ability to play defense, and I figured the rest of his game would eventually materialize.
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I think the problem with Collison is the same problem with Bayless.
He has a shaky shot from distance. He also dominates the ball which works well for the Hornets, but won’t work with Roy.
In others words, he is not a SG at all and can’t really play off the ball. That really limits his effectiveness with a combo guard like Roy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 6, 2010 5:13 PM PST reply actions
I watched a lot of collison in college
and granted the three point line is closer, but he hit them consistently. I foresee him upping his average in the near future. I would have taken Jason Kidd in his prime and he couldn’t shoot the three for his life, but now look at him. I see your point, but I would give Bayless up in a second for a proven player. Sure he (Collison) has only started 25 games, but he has shown that he can be a solid point guard. 4 years does wonders for a kid and I wish others would follow in his footsteps. Too many young pg’s feel that one year in college is enough. If Omar cook would have stayed in college for a couple more years he would have been a high draft pick. The same goes for Erick Barkley, and Marcus Taylor to name a few. Yet it is debatable that we shouldn’t have even drafted Bayless since it was known that he was not a true PG.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Good effort
But I would say your two points seem unrelated. They could not have signed or obtained Collison and signing Diener does not mean they would not be able to obtain him this summer if they wanted to trade for him. Other than they are both PGs, I do not see the connection. Maybe you weren’t trying to make one.
So, yes Collison might be a guy to look at partly because he seems obtainable for some sort of package of players we have (Rudy, Bayless, Webster, etc.) and because NO has Paul and may want to use Collison to try to get some talent at other positions. Would he end up being a better fit than Bayless or Rudy?
Why did they sign Diener? Some kind of insurance at PG for this season. I read he is a good spot up shooter but hasn’t really shown it at the NBA level yet. KP must know something nobody else does…??
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I really thought Collison was our target when we moved up in the draft
I think we thought he would be available at 22,had New Orleans not taken him we would have taken him.
I like DC a lot.. I was expecting us to pick him in the draft and we missed him by 2 picks
"Good, Better, Best, never let it rest until your good is your better and your better is your best." Tim Duncan
Deiner has very limited skills
So dont worry about him taking over the point guard of the future role. We probably got him because he is effective using the pick and roll (which has proven a bit of a weakness for us) so I bet he is mostly for practice use, and perhaps spot time during games to see if we can run an effective P&R.
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Needed a third poll option!
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
This ends up being one of those fantasy trade posts, where you pick some player you like
and imagine getting him. Which totally ignores the fact that his own team might value him, or that 20-some other teams around the league might be able to offer etter deals.
so it becomes meaningless. We as fans just do not possess enough data to offer anything intelligent.
As to the secondary note on Diener, who cares? He’s insurance and can be of some use in practice.
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There is talk that NO may look to move him this summer...
to add talent at other positions. The Blazers seem to have some talent they may be able to offer if they really want him. Rudy, Webster, our DC, Pendergraph, Bayless. I don’t think Collison is at a level he would require a starter to get him. His value is still as much potential as it is production at this point.
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The one thing I tend to believe about about picking up Deiner is
that he’s not expected to play ANY (valuable) minutes. We send Mills to the D-league so that he can learn and play versus rot on the end of the bench, plus because he is still on a non-guaranteed contract we won’t have to pay him his entire salary if he doesn’t play XX amount of games (again some one correct me if I am wrong).
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I was wondering when
we were going to send Mills to the D-League. I just don’t see the point of sitting him when we could be evaluating his play elsewhere. It makes even more sense now that we have Travis, but even before that he was unused. B-Roy fills the PG position before mills does. It doesn’t make much sense as to why we have stalled on this issue.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on Mar 7, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
you'd think Mills would already be in the D-League
if Portland was thinking along those lines. Deiner should be up-to-speed by now
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
With Blake gone and Bayless twisting his ankle every game...
they needed some kind of insurance. Mills was it until they signed Deiner. My guess is they will send him down as soon as they feel comfortable with Deiner. Nate has said as much when they were looking at adding a 15th to the roster.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
Stampede do not play until Wednesday
Mills may even suit up Tuesday for the Blazers and then head out.
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makes too much sense
so I’ll believe it once I hear it from a Blazer’s source
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
total speculation on my part...
I do remember Nate saying he wanted another PG so he could send Mills to the Stampede to get PT in an article last week. Maybe he would already be there if they didn’t have a break in their schedule.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
I do remember Nate saying he wanted another PG so he could send Mills to the Stampede to get PT in an article last week.
I missed that quote, but it stands to reason. I was in favor of adding a veteran PG to help Rex/Rudy run the offense down the stretch and during the playoffs, but Deiner isn’t exactly what I had in mind (Travis doesn’t have much experience running an NBA team, etc) But he is a better “insurance policy” than Mills in case of injury to one of the other Blazer guards, and Patty isn’t going to get much developmental court time in March/April so he might as well be playing 30+ mpg in the D-league for the rest of the season
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
As much as I love DC,
we’re definitely set at point guard with Dre and Bayless, don’t you think?

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