Oden running?
According to the Indy Star, Oden ran on a treadmill for the first time on Wednesday.
The whole article is worth reading as its the most comprehensive article I've seen on Oden's rehab to date. This is my favorite line:
"Oden now practically lives in the weight room, working to strengthen his leg." I'm glad to hear he's not working to bulk up his upper body like last time.
Overall, Greg's mental state sounds a lot better this time. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I'm surprised I haven't seen anything about this yet. Sorry if it's already been posted.
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this is a bigger deal than it sounds like
the treadmill he was running on isn’t a standard one like you’d find at 24 Hour Fitness (it reduces impact), but the fact that he has been cleared to run and put pressure on it like that is a great sign
by rip_city_swagger on Mar 5, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions
Agreed.
He might actually be fit enough to make a comeback this season. It seems like it would be a real psychological boost to his off-season if he can make it back this year in any capacity (and avoid injury of course).
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
amen
if he is physically ready to go, don’t hold him out, even if he just gets 10 – 12 minutes a game it will help keep him energized and focused…
just make sure he is ready to go….
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
If they get him back for 10-12 minutes a game
I want to see all six of Jeff Pendergraph’s fouls spent playing smash-mouth.
I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!
by pxilpooshr on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Thirded.
Pendy could easily play some bruising Laimbeer style defense.
Brandon Roy - The Savior Of Portland Basketball
by rise_stand_resist on Mar 5, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
You just barely left this out in your favorite quote:
“It’s a long shot, but he hopes to return before the season ends.”
I’m glad to final see an article focusing primarily on his rehab and status. I hope he returns for the playoffs, if he is well enough.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Does anybody think he is working this hard not to get back?
Very unlikely. He is working to get back this year. Now it is all up to his body and how it responds. I believe the other decisions have already been made.
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No doubt...
He’s clearly motivated by trying to come back this year. But that’s cool. I really don’t think they will let him play if his body isn’t healed. And if it is healed, more power to him!
I would love to see Greg come back this year for Greg. He needs some small moral victories after all the rough times he’s been through.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
right on
I hate all the Greg bashing about his injury status. All the kid has ever done for us is work his ass off to be on the court for this team…
on 12/5 he had just suffered his kneecap getting split in half and he felt compelled to issue a press release to apologize to the fans before he went to the medical facility…
If he is fit enough to play he should play, and we should give him the same consideration he gives us as he works his ass off to get back onto the court to entertain US….
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Mar 5, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I dont think that its a personal jab at Greg or mean spirited
to feel a little depressed about how his career has gone so far and to openly wonder if this guy will ever stay healthy enough to become anything better than Eric Dampier 2.0. I know Greg feels bad and probably has the weight of the world on his shoulders, but I think most people are being pretty honest when they look at him and wonder if it will ever be better. Its obvious that this team NEEDS what Greg’s game can provide, the question is will he ever be able to do it. And so far it isnt looking good.
Add to that Mr KD going off like chinese new year and it starts to sting.
But I think a lot of people are still in his corner (me included), and hope he can still have a good career.
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Certainly you can see
become anything better than Eric Dampier 2.0.
that statements like this one would be viewed by Greg as nothing less than insulting at this point. I don’t think Greg would appreciate it, and as an Oden fans, we shouldn’t either. Sometimes it is just better to be positive and hope for the best. Greg has many years ahead of him.
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that was a statement of the trend
to his career thus far. i would actually argue that Dampier had a stronger start to his career.
insulting or not, if the guy has another three years that resemble anything like the first three, he wont be any better than the Kandi Man.
Obviously Greg has the talent, ability, and athletecism. The question is and always will be his health
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
i would actually argue that Dampier had a stronger start to his career.
These are Damp’s first year stats:
1996-97 72games 14.6 MIN 5.1 PTS 4.1 RB .390 FG .637 FT
I think Oden’s first year stats were substantially better. Dampier is averaging about 8 pts per game and 7 rebounds a game for his career, so I guess he never really got warmed up in his 14 seasons. This comaparison, let alone the one to Kandi Man is downright ….
Saying that you do not mean to insult him (take personal jabs), by hiding behind injuries that have not even happened yet is …
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but at least he was on the court
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Dampier played through his junior year in college
And was 21 during his first year in the NBA. Greg came out after his first year of college (two years ahead of Damp).
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Bill Simmons was the first to compare Oden to Dampier
I would hope that Blazer fans wouldn’t seek to encourage this behaviour
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Oden 2009 PER 23.2 >>>>>>> Dampier Career PER 14.5
With all due respect. Comparing Oden who was the third ranking center in the league as a 21 year old second year guy to a career journeyman is ridiculous.
It would be like comparing Tyreke Evans to Sebastian Telfair.
Oden was averaging 17 points and 13 rebounds per 36 minutes before the injury, in fact he was averaging almost 23 points per 36 for the last seven games before the injury.
Greg numbers far exceed Dwight Howard’s numbers at the same point in his career. Don’t be blinded by disappointment.
by upper left corner on Mar 6, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
I never doubted Oden's skill, athletecism, or work ethic
Its just the injuries. Believe me, I was stoked to see how well he was playing this year before he went down.
But this injury problem is wrecking his career
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Patience
So far, the injuries he has had while extremely unfortunate have not been “career wrecking” injuries. No tendon or ligament damage, no foot problems, no back problems; those are the types of injuries that can cause irreparable harm.
Maybe it is just bad luck, maybe there is some sort of underlying pattern. We all hope it is the former and not the latter. Keep your fingers crossed.
by upper left corner on Mar 6, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
but severe knee problems are ok?
i still have hope and will root for him so long as he is a Blazer.
But I am also not in the business of buying dreams
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Thank you
microfracture is about as serious as it gets. Knees are bad things to have getting constantly operated on. Worse than foot problems, worse than back problems.
I would like to see some factual information to back up your assertions
Are you an expert on these matters or just giving your opinion? I will give you mine. Back problems are #1 in my book (paralysis, etc…?). And the foot has a tremendous number of bones in it and is attacked by the stresses of life in many ways. Also, I believe the medical community has come a long way in the treatment of knee problems.
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I wish you would make up your mind.
i still have hope and will root for him
VS.
I am also not in the business of buying dreams
Hope and dreams are generally thoughts that go together—rather than being set in opposition to one another. It seems that you are having difficulty understanding the meanings your own statements. Part of being a fan is dreaming…in this case dreaming that the PTB will win a championship. Yes? No? Maybe?
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My mind is made up
I have well wishes for Oden and the Blazers since I am a fan of both.
It seems you are having a hard time understanding what I am saying though. I have distanced myself from the dream of what we all thought Oden will be when we drafted him. If he does become that, then great. But I’m also not going to pretend like nothing has happened and expect that he will be back 100% and play 10+ years with no injuries. His track record in the NBA so far is a huge red flag.
So to break it down so you understand, I will root for Oden while being very aware that at any moment he could collapse on or off the court again like he has in every one of his seasons in the NBA. Until I see the guy play year after year INJURY FREE and dominate the league I will not buy into the “if he wasnt injured we would be great” line. I dont need to see his PER, his true FG%, or his per 36 min stats.
Hoping for something to happen is much different than buying in to something that you know will happen based on nothing.
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Thank you, that helped.
I have distanced myself from the dream of what we all thought Oden will be when we drafted him.
Factually speaking, up to this point, he has not been what we hoped. But it is doubtful anyone would have seriously expected us to have already won a title with him?
The question for me is more along the lines of, "Is he growing as a player, improving, and showing signs of possibly being that player who could possibly help lead us to a title (if healthy)? My answer to that question is yes! I don’t really feel like we have lost any title hopes yet, since we would not have won one yet anyway.
Also, I would be happy with one title since we have zero titles since 1977. If we win more than one, great, but I have always thought that we have to win one first.
As far as Greg’s injuries are concerned, none of them have been the type that really lower his potential. Yes he has been hurt too often, but it looks like he still has a chance to become a very good defender and rebounder, which is what we need most out of him at this point in time. Also, I like the fact that he now feels like he has something to prove—that little chip on his shoulder might be bigger because of a chip or two taken out of his knees. (And the chip on the shoulder could prove to be the more important one before all is said and done.)
In the end, Greg is just one piece to our championship puzzle, but a necessary piece. If he can be healthy at the right point in his maturation process, and if that coincides with the health and maturity of Brandon, Nic, LMA, Jerryd, etc…, then we may be able to make a good run at a title. There are no guarantees on anyone’s health or development. We might hit the window and someone else may go down at the wrong time; nevertheless, I am going to keep on patiently hoping and dreaming, even if I do understand what you are saying a little bit better now.
I think we both should be able to say, “GO BLAZERS!” It just that I am going to have more fun along the way ; > ).
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au contraire!
I’m actually having a great time watching this team. In fact, I’m enjoying this year as much as I have in a long time. I love watching the young guys on this develop, I love the way they have fought through injury, and I have particularly enjoyed the crowds at the RG this year.
Sure Greg could come back and be great, and if he does it will be one of the all-time feel good stories. And although Greg is just one piece, he is an extremely important piece becuase what we have now on the court is not championship material.
So good luck to Greg and good luck to the Blazers. Hopefully they destroy the Sac-Town Queens tonight
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
So good luck to Greg and good luck to the Blazers.
Ultimately luck has a lot to do with winning a championship. A very talented team collectively works its tale off, has the right coaching, and then the stars come together and ultimately decide whether or not a team is going to win a title.
As far as enjoying this year as much or more than me, i say, “Prove it!” Let’s see you fit that into your need to be overly reasonable in your assessments of Greg (I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist.).
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Micro-fracture is very serious and involves an extremely long rehab, but.....
..it isn’t the same as tendon and ligament damage which tends to reoccur.
by upper left corner on Mar 9, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
while you might not think it is not personal
Greg obviously takes it that way, hence an apology before even going to a medical facility to take care of himself. For him it is the fans first, I think it only respectful to return that same consideration to him…
Trust me he has his doubts, his concern for his own health, he does not need the added pressure in this regard. You ever have a friend or family member, injure themselves or get ill? You probably don’t sit around talking about how many people never work again after having a stroke or all the examples there are of people that have suffered the same injury/illness that never recover fully. Out of respect, encouragement and concern you probably focus on those that recover fully, those signs of hope, that is how you support somebody facing these challenges.
Like I said, Greg knows the challenge ahead of him. As this story shows, he is working hard to recover and perform for us. We owe him our support, not a constant focus on the worse case scenario…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Mar 5, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This year
And by the way, I very much agree with your post just above. It is a double standard when we say we are rooting for a player and then dwell on the negative worst case scenarios. Very well said.
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You kidding?
Unless he is like a 4x Defensive POY and constantly leads the league in rebounding he will always have negativity surrounding him.
I am not sue that this statement was meant to be taken 100% literally
unfortunately the negativity will dog him until we win a title….
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GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
we dont kevin toothpick durant
we’ve got a dominant force. this will be his last major injury of his nba career. hopefully he can come back this season. either way, he’s gonna have a huge season next season..
Nice little article.
This is a huge step. Hopefully his recovery continues to go as planned and if he were to come back before the play-offs that’s great but for the love of god he better be 100%.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
I feel like
Its a great Idea for his mental self, but not a great idea for his physical to come back this season. I think if he did it would clear some things up in his head about his real ability to rebound from something like this, yet again. However its a very risky deal physicly to come back, especially if were playing a big physical team in the first round.
by przybillafan2001 on Mar 5, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions
good point, no foul worries ! :-)
Think about that, opponets. I continue to hope he can play at least limited minutes. That would be a great psychological boost for the team as well as Greg, not to mention an additional problem for our opponents. If the doctors clear him, I would go for it. Let’s get some industrial strength knee pads workin’ though. Cracking a knee cap on another players brace ? Never again.
Re-sign Travis Outlaw !
man, no kidding!
For a guy who is often compared to Patrick Ewing, you’d think the kneepads would be obvious.
Absofrickinlutely
If Oden comes back and isn’t wearing pads, I’m not buying tickets anymore.
After chipping his kneecap last season it should have convinced him that pads were needed. Now if he doesn’t put them on he’s just an idiot.
We need Oden so bad.
15 minutes a game with 5 pts 3 rebs and 1 blk would make me happy
by collectiveshane on Mar 5, 2010 11:57 AM PST reply actions
If Greg can play 15 mpg, I bet his stats will be even better than that, though.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pull down close to double digit boards, even in limited minutes. He was getting 8.5 rpg playing only 24 minutes before the injury, and if he comes back Nate will send him out there to do two things only: rebound and defend the paint. Nate Mac won’t take a chance on disrupting the offense going into the playoffs by posting him up a bunch, so Greg will be able to concentrate on getting offensive boards and tip-jams. The playoffs start in exactly 6 weeks and this would add quite an unexpected wrinkle, but I’m not getting my hopes up just yet.
"I just played my game. I didn't do anything special. Just take the open shot, make cuts to basket, get rebounds. That's it." ~Nic Batum
by vanceanthony on Mar 5, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed...
IF he can come back, his role will be closer to what we saw last year. Hopefully he’ll show the coordination and recognition he developed earlier in the year, however. That will likely depend on his conditioning and weight.
I’m just glad to hear he’s rearing to go rather than worrying about the possibility of another injury.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Thank goodness for the Indy Star.
where’s the local press been on any sort of GO update?
An offensive rebound in paragraph form. -Mr. Golliver
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Mar 5, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions
Oden prolly won't talk to them
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
plus he has had a long relationship
with those guys, he knows who he can trust to at least be fair…
He is a legend in high school basketball obssessed indiana
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Having Oden for the Playoffs would change just about everything
In that our team (or our preseason ideal) would be all together (with Camby instead of Pryz.. definitely an acceptable trade-out). Everything I have heard from or about Oden he has made it clear he is trying to return this season, and by almost all accounts people seem to admit he might actually be ready.
If your team was a top 4 seeded team, and you just noticed Oden was going to be back for the playoffs, would you be a little worried to face us? Talk about the team no one wants to play…
At the end of the Indiana game Mice Rice mentioned seeing Oden
at the Rose Garden in the tunnels. He made a joke about Oden running to the buffet to get there before it closed. Rice wouldn’t say much more, even when Barrett asked him “So, what are you saying?” but it’s another good sign that’s he’s around the team and walking just fine.
That'a a great sign.
Greg’s integration with the rest of the team is, perhaps, the most important thing for this team in the long run. It would be nice to see him develop a personal chemistry with the rest of the guys that helps them mesh better on the floor.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
What are the draw backs bringing Oden back for the Blazers?
Oden wouldn’t be in game shape, but I don’t think we’re asking him to play for 30+ minutes. I don’t see much of a risk to aggravate his injury again since it was a broken bone. Assuming the bone has fully healed.
I think Oden could be a huge factor for the Blazers on the second unit. If Oden feels good enough, I want him back for the playoffs.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If he's too out of shape/weak he'd probably be more injury prone, right?
Even if his bone if fully healed, being overly gimpy or slow could contribute to another injury.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
There's still 6 weeks left.
6 weeks to strengthen his legs, get better conditioning, and improve his flexibility.
It’s not like Oden missed an entire year like his micro-fracture injury. Oden has missed about 3 months. I think 6 weeks is enough time for him to return, assuming the bone is fully healed.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Let's hope!
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
he can walk up the court or just park it under either basket
i personally preferr the other teams basket cause i want to see some dunks
by Captain fruit on Mar 10, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
exactly. since he would only get limited minutes anyways
have him play all out in short 5-6 minute stretches until he gets tired. and obviously nate wouldnt have to worry about the fouls with 15 mpg (20 at most)
Gimme ONE playoff game Greg
and one monstrous Dunk to tide me over until next season
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Hell Yeah!!!
That’d be sweet!
But I think that would just make the off season last longer for me as I dream of Oden tearing up AB from LA.
Boom-shocka-locka!!!
HOLY.
he just took freshness to a
Ho, Newa, Leveh
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJhsQZk3U8
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
his brother dreads are aight
but i think he would look kinda stupid if he goes full dreads like he said. just keep em short with short facial hair, but not the full on beard he rocks sometimes
i dont even know why people call him ugly. he just looks older
he has a pretty good facial structure and hairline. cassell and popeye jones are true candidates for ugly. but in reality noone should care.
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
How bout we just let Greg do what he wants with his hair?
just a thought haha
by IndustrialRevolution on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
niiiice
he needs to go the full brian grant
Brandon Roy - The Savior Of Portland Basketball
by rise_stand_resist on Mar 5, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t want to get my hopes up - But YIPPEEEE KI YAY
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
A couple things...
I’d like to know is what the history is like with other NBA players who have suffered broken knee caps and the chances of the injury being aggravated, and if there’s any correlation to that happening and the length of time each player came back in. It’d also be interesting to know what Oden’s own thoughts are in terms of how this injury’s recovery feels compared to his path back from the microfracture surgery. From everything I’m reading, they’re worlds apart. I don’t think he’s been specifically quoted about that, though.
Playoffs or not, effective or not, big minutes or not, though, I think we can all agree that it’s great news that he’s even contemplating it, and that the team hasn’t completely shut the possibility down. I can remember the day after the injury reading lots of stuff about this being something that had the potential to end his career, or at the very least damage his ability heavily for the rest of it… and it sounds like that stuff is turning out to be complete BS.
I just wonder how breaking the patella affects the cartilage
Remember Greg’s first knee surgery was done because there was a missing "hole’ on his cartilage about the size of a fingernail?
I don’t pretend to be a doctor, but wouldn’t a patella that’s split in two from side to side have some affect on the weight-bearing bones above and below it? Hopefully not, maybe the surfaces of the other bones didn’t come into violent contact with the patella at the time of the fracture
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Hi,
I’m from Golden State of Mind.
Since the Warriors are out of contention at the break once again, we are talking about ‘our’ playoffs, the lottery and the draft off course. Anyway, I was wondering in the possibility that we drafted Wall, how would you and the Blazers feel about Steph Curry for Greg Oden. Homerism aside (from both sides) Curry has 2 extra years left on his rookie deal, is playing tremoundous, is polished, and would be a ridicuolsy good mate with Roy. I know you got Bayless (who is fast improving) and Miller for the next couple of years, but Roy and Curry could be legendary for years to come.
Deal, No Deal, or Maybe with Tweaking?
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 2:03 AM PST reply actions
Do you think Curry would be a star in Portland's system?
What do you think Portland’s slow down, one on one plays, would do for Curry’s statistics vs the wide open style of Don Nelson? Also, how would Greg fare in Golden State’s up and down game?
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Curry’s statistics
After years of Nellie Ball, Warriors fans know that less can be better. I think Curry’s raw stats might deflate a bit in Portland but he would be a much better player. Curry can play on the ball or off the ball very efficiently and is a very smart player. Not to mention he is a dead eye shooter. I just really like Brandon Roy and think Curry would be great next to him.
Greg fare in Golden State’s up and down game
Other than the site mods, we are all tired of Nellie’s antics, small ball insistance, and no defense or rebounding emphasis basketball. We just want to see 2 players over 6’8" on the court toghether for a bit. We love Curry. LOVE HIM. But if we did get Wall and had a front line of Oden and Randolph, thats a young team worth getting excited for.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
How is Curry defensively?
Portland needs a good defensive point guard to go along side Roy. The trade you suggest cannot just be about offense. We just traded away a reasonably good shooter and passer in Steve Blake who was at least active on defense. I don’t think Blazer management would even consider a marginal upgrade. Curry would have to be very good on defense as well.
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Point taken,
right now I would say Curry is average at best on defense. Grabs alot of steals, but that might be inflated due to the frenetic pace we play at. The Warriors force the most turnoovers. On the flip side, very little to no attention from the coaching staff is placed on defense. It’s possible with a defensive minded coach, Curry makes huge strides. Bigger stronger guards like Tyreke Evans abuse Steph Curry, but he does alright against other guards. We hope that with his hoop IQ and when he gets bigger he will get better, but right now he isnt exactly Nic Batum on ball defensivly.
I know that in a straight up Curry for Oden deal we get the better end, because of the scarcity of big men and how good Oden has looked when he has played (foul issues aside). I honestly think that by adding either Brandan Wright or Ronny Turiaf from us, would make it not only a relativly fair trade but one that makes a lot of sense.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
How does Curry do against the very quick point guards?
Quick PG’s give the PTB trouble. Also, how does he fair defensively against CP3 and DWil?
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He’s ok, defense is not his calling card. From the what I’ve seen I think Bayless would be better against the speedy pg’s. If a solid defense is the main thing you need from a pg Curry isnt your guy. I didnt take the in to consideration, blame it on Nellie and the offense only conditioning of the Warriors and the fans. However like I said, I think he could become atleast a ‘good’ defender with the proper coaching. He works hard and tries, great hoops IQ.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
no deal
Centers like Oden only come along every 20 years, there’s no reason to “give up on them” when they suffer a few random injuries
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Centers like Oden only come along every 20 years
I’m not trying to troll, but you need to come off that rhetoric. That would mean that Oden is the best center since 1989. Oden isnt even the best center in the NBA today, even if he is healthy. I think he is great and will be a top 5 center for many many years to come, and a top 3 center if he can control his foul problems and polish his offensive game a bit.
"give up on them"
I didnt say dump him for Devean George and a first. I said Steph Curry. I know the Warriors are horrid, but Curry is good. Really good, and with a great attitude and basketball smarts.
http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3975
Keep in mind those stats are coming while he is playing in the epitomy of disfunction in Golden State.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
Curry is really good, but I think it comes down to the benefits of Curry and Roy backcourt. I haven’t seen enough G-state to be sure that curry and roy would coexist.
not interested
I know who Steph Curry is, and I’m sure he couldn’t reproduce his Warrior stats playing for Nate McMillian instead of Don Nelson
Oden is going to be a Blazer, and once he stays healthy he will be Dwight Howard. Would Orlando trade Howard for Curry?
next
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If you think Oden will become Howard,
which is possible, than fine. Just one thing I wanted to point out
he couldn’t reproduce his Warrior stats playing for Nate McMillian instead of Don Nelson
His stats would get better not worse. People just assume that Nellie players stats are overated because of the fast pace, which is true. But if your a Warrior fan you quickly realize that raw per game stats are useless. Curry is shooting at 46% fg and 42% 3pt, with nearly six assists against 2.9 turnovers. That’s when he as a rookie is not only our primary play maker but also are primary scorer where every team is focusing their defense on him. Also he just played two complete games on the road on a back to back. I feel bad for the kid, if he can just play 30 minutes and not have to carry his team, and had NBA talent around him, he would be amazing. WIth Roy as his backcourt mate, he could go back to his natural posistion of combo guard and gunner.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
WIth Roy as his backcourt mate, he could go back to his natural posistion of combo guard and gunner.
Roy is going to get his 20+ ppg. Portland plays a much slower pace than GS. Sure, Curry would get wide-open looks as an “outlet” in Portland’s offense, but I doubt his stats would improve, other than shooting %. Steph would also be asked to bring the ball upcourt and defend opposing PGs and (correct me if I’m wrong) but I don’t see playmaking and defense as being two of his strengths. He’s an intriguing player as a backcourt mate to Roy…but not nearly intriguing-enough to be discussing in a hypothetical deal for Oden
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I get the investment
in Oden and the fact that you dont trade big men with that much upside away. Even if he doesnt become Oden and ‘just plays at the level’ he was prior to injury he is a top 5 center that you guys got for the next 10 years or so. Curry definetly isnt a good defender yet, but his playmaking abilities are much much better than advertised. In fact, Steve Nash is the guy we compare him to and hope feverently that he turns in to. He is definetly a point guard, but I guess with Roy you would put more importance on defense than scoring and playmaking.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Mar 7, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I guess with Roy you would put more importance on defense than scoring and playmaking.
The consensus around here is that the ideal “PG” to play alongside Roy would be a superior perimeter defender who could stick the wide-open 3-pointer. Curry only covers half of that requirement, and Steph probably “needs” the rock a little more than necessary, for someone who would be starting next to Brandon
It’s interesting though, because Andre Miller is neither a great individual defender nor an outside threat…so who knows what the Blazers are looking for in a young PG? (I’m thinking they’d like Devin Harris, if somehow NJ were to draft John Wall and then tried to move #34…)
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Miller was just a short-term fix
(and hopefully mentor) until Bayless is ready to take the job.
I think Curry would be a great fit. What he lacks on defense is more than made up for by his ability to be a great-shooting combo guard.
A better fit than Bayless? I suspect Curry will always be a better shooter. Jerryd is probably always going to be better taking it to the hole. Jerryd is going to be a better defender, without a doubt. I’m not sure which would be the better fit. The two of them with Roy would be a devastating three man guard rotation, and I’d be willing to give up Rudy in a heartbeat to see it happen. And Rudy would be great for the Warriors, as well.
I’d love to see Curry in Portland. But you don’t give up a franchise center for him, not in a million years. And that is what he is, even if he doesn’t become as good as Dwight Howard. And I think he’ll be better than Dwight if he can stay healthy, because I think he’ll have similar impact plus make some free throws, so you can keep him on the court in crunch time without the hack-a-center problem, which is pretty important.
I’d love to find a way to pry Nellie’s cold dead fingers off of Curry, but not for Greg. Do the Warriors have any bad contracts they’d like to dump? We’ll have some expiring contracts to trade come summer, and some young and inexpensive talent that would shine in that system. Think about Dante and Rudy running the court for the Warriors, give them a draft pick or two and an expiring contract, and they can send back Curry and a bad contract.
Nelson would probably love Dante. He’s very athletic, shoots well, rebounds extremely well for his size, hustles, and he’s only 6’8", so he wouldn’t violate the stupid height requirement (don’t tell me there isn’t a big man quota at Golden State, I don’t believe it).
Alternatively, we could give up Webster. If he got regular minutes, he’d shine in that system, too. Makes enough 3s to catch Nellie’s attention.
Man, we’ve got so many guys who would be good in that system, we should just keep them all and steal the coach instead. (don’t flag me, I didn’t mean it).
Rudy, Martell Webster, Andre Miller (expiring summer 2011, team option for 11-12), two draft picks, and cash for Curry and any bad contract they want to dump. That would be giving up a lot, but quantity for quality is always expensive, and IMO Curry would be great here.
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by jscot on Mar 8, 2010 6:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
re: Oden vs. Howard, I agree
IF Oden can get and stay healthy, he should be very similar to Howard. When you adjust for minutes, Oden’s stats this year compare very favorably to Howard’s first three seasons. And if you look at an efficiency metric, like PER, Oden looks even better.
A detailed comparison of the two, using advanced metrics, would be very illuminating, I suspect.
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that's what I was basing my D-How comp on
of course Greg has to show he can play 30+ mpg before those per-36 stats are meaningful. But Oden was well on his way to “that” back in November
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I think he’ll be better than Dwight if he can stay healthy, because I think he’ll have similar impact plus make some free throws
I agree, but I didn’t want to sound too much like an Oden-honk in front of the GS fan
My take is that if KP really liked Curry, he would’ve traded up in the draft last year to select him. From all we’ve heard, the #1 target was Hansbrough and the Blazers weren’t willing to part with “enough” to move up that high in the draft.
And you know “who” I like on the Warrior’s roster who could more likely be aquired for Martell, if the Blazers think they need another banger. After Bayless and Rudy’s performances last night, I’m not in the market for combo guards right now. Hopefully I’ll feel the same way at the end of the season…
Can you imagine Don Nelson as head coach with Tom Thibodeau as his lead assistant? Oh. My. Goodness.
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I just ran into Greg outside Cinitopia on my way out of the theater
In case anyone is curious he was walking without a visible limp, & it doesn’t look like he’s put on any weight since the last time I saw him play at the RG.
by DephlatorMouse on Mar 7, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Does anyone else think
That with the new injury to Joel, this all but cements the fact that Greg with NOT come back for the playoffs, even if people think he could? I just don’t think that the Blazers will take the chance now because we have always all kinda fell back on the oh well…..if he hurts himself again at least we have Joel.
Now that this is out of the question I feel like they gotta sit him for the remainder until training camp…thoughts????
by przybillafan2001 on Mar 8, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions
i dont want to believe that to be truth
but you bring up a good point. im not sure what to think on that at this point but we’ll see in about a month and a half.
i say play him
we need him, we paid for him to help us in moments like these. if he doesnt hold up. we can sign him cheaper or not at all. it could end up saving us 70 mill. cmon, canby was playing tonite with both ankles recently sprained? greg doesnt have to run up and down the court to be effective.
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Big Z is an inspiration for me on the whole injury plagued subject....
…he had a lot on injuries at the beginning of his career but the Cav’s stayed with him. Of course Oden has the potential to be a lot better than Big Z has been.
And if we can get him back for the playoffs…with Camby now in the mix we might just pull off a first round upset of LA.
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