Blazersedge Mailbag: March 24th, 2010
Here's another edition of the Blazersedge Mailbag to get you through the off-days. This one is even (nearly) Penn and Pritchard free! Yay!
How do you see the Blazers' chances in the playoffs this season? Jason Quick has alluded to the "magic" surrounding this team recently, and other writers/bloggers are starting to say, "Hey, maybe this team can do some damage in the playoffs!"
Dim, mostly. Notice how the magic and goodwill coincided almost exactly with the team drawing poor defensive squads (and some downright bad teams, period) on the schedule. I'm not minimizing the Blazers finally getting as healthy as they're going to be this year. I don't want to minimize the acquisition of Marcus Camby either. Both of those things have been key in making sure we get to the playoffs. But you're still seeing the residue of what the team has been through: disjointed play, stale sets, lack of trust and confidence in each other when the pressure gets high. You're not going to find too many bad defensive teams in the playoffs. You're going to face a ton of pressure.
The Blazers are going to draw the L*kers, Nuggets, Mavericks, or Jazz in the first round. Maybe you hope for Dallas because you've at least been able to beat them. Maybe you hope the Nuggets will struggle with the Kenyon Martin injury. But I'd have a hard time predicting four wins over any of those teams with a straight face. Two wins? Sure, could happen. I'd be ecstatic with three and a chance for a Game 7. But the 7-game first round is set up precisely to make upsets like this harder. I don't see any non-wishful reason to go with Portland winning a series this year.
Define "success" this season. How about next year?
The clock has been moved back a year because of the downpour of ill luck the Blazers have had. Just getting to the playoffs is success. Having won this many games is success. Not tucking our tails in, feeling sorry for ourselves, and limping into the lottery is success. That's this year, though. Next season we're right back to "Better make the second round". I believe it's crucial for this team to advance next year. Ideally they'd play in the Conference Finals, which is not beyond the realm of possibility. Portland cannot linger in the first round for multiple years. Teams that do so don't tend to prosper. Besides the confidence and unity of this team will be shaken unless they see deeper playoff runs. Plus they're not getting the experience they need if they get bounced in six games every year. This year is the last we'll be satisfied with just making the playoffs. After this it's win or bust.
Why do the Blazers struggle to score against the zone?
There are a few common ways to attack a zone. The specifics vary depending upon which kind of zone you're talking about but the general idea is the same: zone defense leaves seams and you want to attack through them. For simplicity's sake let's assume a standard 2-3 zone is being employed.
The most often mentioned zone-buster is shooting your way out of it. Zone defense leaves fairly wide gaps on the perimeter as those two top guys have to cover a bunch of court. The most obvious seams are diagonal from the basket to the right and left and sometimes right above the top of the key, smack dab in the hole between any two defenders. There's a general problem with this approach, however. Any defense, particularly any NBA defense, is going to be thrilled to have you launching deep. They'll consider that a job well done even if you hit a few. Opponents would be ecstatic about the Blazers in particular taking this approach. The majority of Portland's shots are going to come from the guards. Brandon Roy shoots 34% from distance. That's not horrible but it's not among the league elite either. Plus when he's shooting out there he's not hurting you with his best weapon, the drive. Also that 34% tends to come from a bunch of streaky, amazing games instead of consistent distance prowess. If he's off, you win with him shooting out there. I'm not even going to print Andre Miller's three-point percentage because this is a family-friendly site. You could make an argument that Nicolas Batum and Rudy Fernandez could bust zones this way but Rudy doesn't get consistent minutes and Nic doesn't get consistent shots. They'd be better candidates than the guards but it's likely your opponent would live with either one of them being Portland's offensive focus as well. Plus if you look at the threes Portland's offense promotes they're usually not from those diagonal angles unless coming off of a secondary break. The Blazers prefer the coffin corner near the baseline, one of the easiest threes to guard with the zone.
Fortunately there are better attack options than the deep ball. The most obvious is to get the ball in the center of the lane, usually around the free throw line. This causes three defenders--the two top guys and the one camped in the middle--to have to make decisions about who will actually defend the ball. Often they're slow making that decision and executing it. Sometimes too many guys come. Sometimes none do. Any of those eventualities lead to scoring opportunities directly or via one simple cut and pass. But think again of Portland's offense. How much of it happens at that free-throw line area? Almost none. We don't have a high post player. When the guards pull up they're not in that spot. Unless their last name is Bayless they don't usually drive down the middle for layups either. The only guy who's spent any time in that area at all is Marcus Camby and that's mostly been for other teams. I can imagine opposing defenses being happy with Marcus Camby trying to initiate the offense, especially with his jumper in its current state.
There's another seam to be exploited. That's the one diagonal from the basket about 12 feet out in the space between three defenders (the center and two sides). Unlike the other two approaches, this one is right in Portland's wheelhouse. This is exactly where LaMarcus Aldridge begins most of his offense. Miller, Roy, Batum...all of them drive through and/or pull up in this territory. So why isn't this the answer? Because all of the players I just mentioned outside of Batum take a long time to set up their shots. By the time LaMarcus catches, thinks, dribbles, turns, and shoots the gap isn't a gap anymore. Roy also sets up his moves deliberately. Batum is a quick hitter but he doesn't catch the ball in this gap and he's not yet comfortable enough with the pull-up game needed to exploit it fully on his own off the dribble.
A deep, low-post player who can also pass can do wonders against a zone. Portland doesn't have that right now either.
The shortcomings in the Blazers' approach in any of these instances could be overcome by sharp cutting and alert passing once the scorers have caught the ball in the right area. In fact they could put enormous pressure on the opponent with multiple threats that involve multiple defenders in that zone set. But notice also when other teams are throwing the zone. It's either a surprise for a couple minutes or it's late in the game. In the first case the team takes a while to adjust, giving the opponent at least a couple minutes of effectiveness after which they simply switch defenses. In the second case they're catching the Blazers at their most fatigued, when cuts are not as likely to be sharp and coordination not as likely to be crisp. Also in the fourth quarter Portland's scorers are thinking more about scoring than passing. They're less likely to give the ball up which makes their teammates less likely to cut with alacrity.
None of this is the way it should be. It could change and probably will. But you can understand why the Blazers don't just adjust automatically every time they see a zone.
Click through for questions about Martell Webster's shots, Rudy at point, KP's biggest mistake, Portland's Dream Coach, tracking playoff standings, an Oden-free ceiling, and much more...
Why doesn't anybody pass to Martell Webster anymore?
I feel sad every time I see Martell nowadays. It's not like this is the first time he's started a season well and faded into obscurity by the end but this year, given the injuries, it's seemed particularly pronounced. The reality is that he is a small forward and the Blazers need to get minutes out of Nicolas Batum and Rudy Fernandez ahead of him.
When Martell does hit the court nowadays he's getting scraps of minutes. It's always hard for guys to get in the scoring flow with that kind of time. You're coming off the bench cold, for one thing. If you're playing with the starters you're the odd guy in the lineup and don't get shots. If you're playing with the reserves you face an "everybody for themselves" mentality with other guys getting scraps of minutes wanting to make their mark too. Martell needs teammates to set up his offense and frankly they're not always in the mood during the few minutes he happens to get.
Martell's confidence also looks to be flagging a bit. That's natural given his situation. Mine would be too. But there's a general rule in the NBA that if guys don't have confidence in you they're not going to pass the ball to you. If you don't look like you have confidence in yourself (and sometimes like you can fight to prove that confidence in yourself) your teammates aren't going to bother digging for it to see if it's there. They're just going to take the shot themselves or give it to someone more prominent. This quickly becomes a Catch-22. You need shots in order to build your confidence but you can't get shots until your confidence is displayed. Basically the only way out of that hole is to get enough minutes that the situation normalizes and you become part of the offense by default if nothing else. Then you hit a couple shots and become a bigger part of the offense. But until Martell gets a steadier diet with a more regular group I don't see the situation changing.
In your article about Blazer blunders you said firing Tom Penn in the summer would have been better than now. What's the difference?
Well, not much for Penn. The difference is specifically related to the level of scrutiny involved. Granted the summer leaves more free time for speculation. But it's also a more normal time to part company with team members and therefore the dismissal would have been less jarring. I compare it to firing a teacher. If you let a teacher go in the summer people are likely to assume it had to do with general job performance. Maybe it was several small issues over time. Maybe the teacher just didn't mesh with the rest of the staff or the school's direction. Most people will easily accept an explanation of "philosophical differences" as an umbrella description for all of that and move on. But if you fire a teacher midway through the fourth quarter of the school year with classes ongoing everybody is going to want to know why. In this case they'll assume it's not a general job-performance issue but something drastic that required immediate action. Everybody's going to want to know what happened, particularly those with kids in the class. If you come out with "philosophical differences" they're going to say, "What kind of nuclear-level philosophical differences would cause you to terminate them so abruptly?" Or more likely they're going to call B.S. on the explanation and want to know what really went on.
What has KP's biggest mistake been?
Yeesh. I'm hesitant to point out specifics, partially because I'd like to avoid this becoming yet another "Oden vs. Durant" thread and partially because it seems cheap to use hindsight to evaluate decisions that the pros have to make in real time. I guess I'd point to a philosophical outlook. Kevin has often described the maneuverings of the NBA in terms of chess. From the beginning I've argued that this is the wrong game. KP would do better with a poker mindset.
What's the difference? Chess is a logical, somewhat impersonal game. Understanding your opponent helps but it's a cold, deliberate knowledge, expressed by the moves of pieces on the board. If you're much better than your opponent you don't have to understand him at all. If you know the game well enough, hold the right pieces, are able to make the right decisions you can steamroll over any number of opponents without even knowing their names.
In poker knowing your opponent is everything. You can have the right cards and make the right decisions but if you aren't able to work the relationships involved you can't maximize your profit and you'll often lose outright. It's a people game as much as a logic game.
Navigating the NBA is a lot more poker than chess. Having the upper hand, greater knowledge, better pieces to play...those are only half the battle. As a GM it's not about victory or defeat as much as maximizing your profits. You don't want to steamroll opponents. Instead you want to hearken to the old poker adage: you can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once.
Having tracked Kevin's moves and most of his public words since he's assumed office I do think the chess outlook has been reflective of his approach and his public demeanor. We know he has the right information. We know he's a good tactician. But maybe he's leaned too heavily on that and missed out on the more subtle aspects of the game?
I don't know. I hesitate to even answer this question because it makes me feel like "Who am I to judge?" But that's my best shot.
Can Rudy Fernandez really ever become a point guard?
Maybe the better question is whether the Trail Blazers can become the kind of team that can absorb the kind of point guard that Rudy would be. Rudy himself would need to develop better off-hand handles, a reliable drive, and probably improve the individual defense. Even then he'll not be your traditional PG. But as I've mentioned before, maybe you do run that Rudy-Roy-Nic lineup with Rudy among the ball-handlers, tempo-pushers, and halfcourt passers. If Portland's frontcourt can get extra-solid defensively it could happen.
Assuming Greg Oden never comes back or never becomes more than we see now, how high can the Blazers climb?
Oden is the defensive key to this team's future. Without him anchoring the middle LaMarcus Aldridge and the backcourt get exposed on defense. This is particularly critical when you consider the back-up centers we rely on now for defense won't be around forever. Oden's defense and rebounding are potential keys to Portland's offense opening up as he could free teammates to aggressively pursue turnovers and/or run out on the break.
I think the Blazers could easily make the second round without Oden. Maybe they could make the Conference Finals. But talk of the NBA Finals or a title revolves around Greg...not because he's the best player on the team but because he fills so many key holes for this team.
If you could have any coach for the Blazers besides Nate who would you choose? Van Gundy? Adelman?
Any coach? I'm going to go off the board and get Mike Krzyewski. The problem is that I have to get him soon (he's 63) and I'd have to spend an exorbitant amount of Paul Allen's money to make it happen. I'd surround him with at least one grizzled NBA veteran assistant (maybe Del Harris or bring P.J. Carlesimo back) and a couple of really hungry, motivated, young assistants who wanted to learn the ropes. I got talked into this over lunch with a friend one day and I think it's a good idea.
When you talk about playoff races you always talk about the loss column. Isn't the record the record?
Not precisely. The advantage of citing the loss column is it tells you which team has its own destiny in its hands. You can make up wins but you can never erase a loss.
Let's say one team is 52-17 and another is 48-16. The 52-17 team is technically ahead by percentage points. But if both teams win out the rest of the way the 48-16 team will finish ahead because it will have only 16 losses to the other team's 17. In other words the 48 win team can get to 52 by winning its next four games. But the 17 loss team can never get back to 16 losses again.
This turns out to be pretty valuable in determining who's really ahead in a bunched up race. If two teams are tied for losses all the trailing team needs to do is win to catch up. But if the trailing team has more losses it not only needs to win, it needs the other team to lose some games as well. Even if the Games Behind and percentage numbers are close (which often happens because the teams have played an unequal number of games) the latter is a much higher bar than the former.
What are your favorite sports teams in any sport besides the Blazers?
I used to be more of a sports junkie but I don't follow other sports as intently anymore. Time is one issue. But I've found as I've become more conversant with the Blazers and the NBA that you lose something by delving too deeply. You can't view games the same way. So I find it refreshing to sit down in front of a TV and be utterly clueless about all but the most obvious aspects of the game, just hoping for some entertainment and a close score. That kind of precludes me picking and following another team, at least religiously. I do tend to like it when teams where I used to live do well, as I know many of their fans and am happy for them. That would include the Packers, Vikings, the various Iowa schools, the Oregon colleges, the Seahawks, the Twins and Mariners, Boise State, and so on. But I don't follow them unless I happen to catch them on TV or they're in an important game.
Why don't you use initials on the questions anymore? --A.H.
I never wanted to use full names so as to keep questions free and anonymous. Besides some people e-mail under their actual names and I'm not sure that it's cool to use them. That's where the initials first came in. But then some people use both their real and screen names. Other people use just screen names. Other people use some kind of funky e-mail address. How do you turn skizzle78wp4kt into initials? I was spending an inordinate about of time agonizing over this, so I just quit.
Thanks for the questions! You can always send new ones in to blazersub@yahoo.com
--Dave
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Bring it L*kers!
I know it is slightly off topic but I hope we get the 8th seed and play the lakers. I personally believe we have a great chance against the lakers because our team was MADE to beat those sob’s. It would be best for our city and us loyal fans. Win or lose we still booze (and hopefully riot the state!)
and please remember what the great defensive player Artest said about our boy last year
by htuss on Mar 24, 2010 2:55 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
bring on...the Nuggets!
Denver has been struggling without Karl on the sideline, and can you even imagine a “KP vs Wark” first round series? Talk about your BE conflagration!
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
These mailbags are like a black hole that sucks in my short attention span
I have some insomnia going on and I just came to BE’s main page to click on the schedule since I couldn’t remember if their next game was Thursday or Friday. I know, it’s inexcusable I could forget such an important matter. I saw the mailbag and was just going to see what the questions were and then read the whole thing later. Before I knew it I was halfway through.
As for the actual questions, I think it’s more likely Batum could develop into a Point Forward than Rudy or Bayless developing into a traditional pure PG. In either the last mailbag or the one before the same question was asked but with Rex instead of Rudy, so I have a feeling we’ll be asking that for a while and just rotating their names based on who’s playing better lately. As for KP’s biggest mistake, I’m wondering if he’s abandoned the Spurs model we were supposed to be following, where you have 3 franchise guys and everyone else is just a temporary piece (and Batum as our Bowenesque stopper). Between the fact we can’t rely on Oden’s health and LMA showing he’s better as a 3rd option, it looks like they need to find another elite guy. Before trading for someone else looked more like something to simplify the minutes crunch or because you can’t pay everyone, but now we need another legit weapon. I think KP is hesitant to trade away Rudy, Rex, Webster, or anyone out of fear they could develop into a franchise guy like Jermaine O’neal. I’ve been saying for a while I was afraid we’d repeat the Bulls’ mistake. They had several guys at a position, like Deng and Nocioni, so they could have used one of them in a trade to fill their one need (a post presence) but they didn’t want the one they gave away to turn out being better. They kept both too long and neither became a guy who could carry their team and put them over the hump to a title. I’m worried that will happen with Rex and Rudy, where neither will become a starting pg and we’ll find out after it’s too late. It looks like we’ve learned the last half of the season that Webster can’t be a role player and come off the bench, so KP should decide between Rex and Rudy, package him with Webster and start consolidating power.
For coaches, my personal philosophy is that there’s a few elite and horrible coaches, but there’s a big middle class where their actual abilities aren’t much different, it’s whether their system fits the roster and how well the players respond to them. The second part is what worries me about Nate. After almost every loss we hear that he told the players to run, defend pic n rolls differently, not settle for jumpers, or something else. It seems like a season long trend where his excuse is that the players aren’t doing what he’s telling them. Well, that either means that Nate is throwing them under the bus or the players are starting to tune him out. He seems to think “they aren’t doing what I say” is an excuse, but a huge part of NBA coaching is getting them to do what they’re supposed to and buy into your system. I don’t think Nate is incompetence or a horrible coach, but it looks like he doesn’t have the players ears anymore.
"Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums." -Captain Kirk
I think it’s more likely Batum could develop into a Point Forward than Rudy or Bayless developing into a traditional pure PG
Ditto
As for KP’s biggest mistake, I’m wondering if he’s abandoned the Spurs model we were supposed to be following
You are on a roll. I don’t see RC Buford and Pop drafting Sergio and Patty Mills, but they were the guys who reached out and caught DeJuan Blair during his free fall, last June.
I think KP is hesitant to trade away Rudy, Rex, Webster, or anyone out of fear they could develop into a franchise guy like Jermaine O’neal
Well, with Rudy we know the owner has nixed at least one deal already (Fillipi’s comments to Marca, a few month’s back) KP was also ready to deal Marty in the Z-Bo trade. Bayless is a lottery pick so dealing Rex would be admitting that he was the wrong choice (or that your scouts evaulated Jerryd incorrectly…) KP does tend to hang onto “his players” too long, and he’s recently admitted as much. He did finally make the Blake/Outlaw for Camby deal, so this blind spot doesn’t seem to be as acute as it was last spring/summer.
It looks like we’ve learned the last half of the season that Webster can’t be a role player and come off the bench, so KP should decide between Rex and Rudy, package him with Webster and start consolidating power.
Agree about Marty. Reserving judgment on Rex/Rudy until after the post season. I think the Blazers will struggle to score in the playoffs if one of Roy/Miller aren’t on the floor (and even at times when they are!) Like you wrote at the start, Batum as point forward is the key. It will be interesting to see if this coaching staff developes that facet of Nic’s game, and how quickly
I don’t think Nate is incompetence or a horrible coach, but it looks like he doesn’t have the players ears anymore.
Disagree. The players are playing hard for Nate, this season would’ve gone down the sewer if they weren’t. I agree that McMillian and his staff are in the “median” of NBA coaches. But if Allen thinks Nate is the man, then Bedgers will just have to deal with Sarge for awhile longer
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Holy cow
I don’t think anybody has ever written that much to agree with one of my comments. I can understand breaking down my idiocy piece by piece, but this is a first. My point about Nate having the players ears was more about Xs and Os stuff, and not putting out effort and playing hard. After a game where we got beat by pick n rolls, Nate will say he told them to defend the pick a different way and they didn’t do what he said. It almost seems like if Nate told them to jump, instead of asking “How high?” some players would sit down, some would run around and a Dre would jump just like how he’s the only guy who runs sometimes.
"Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums." -Captain Kirk
by terryisntbald on Mar 25, 2010 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Larry Brown is 69
I think the best coach for the Blazers is just the fans. Casey can sit at the bench with a laptop and the fans could tweet instructions to him.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 24, 2010 5:48 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Can Rudy Fernandez really ever become a point guard? The main part of that question would have to be: Can Rudy learn to become a competent ballhandler at the NBA level
He’s got the shooting down, he seems to have the vision for the open man and developing play (though some passes are way risky), he is great working off the ball, he has speed. He might even develop the ability to defend some point guards, though that’s a bit of a stretch. What he doesn’t have at all right now is the ball handling. Which is ironic, since originally scouts pegged that as one of his strengths as a young player, but then slowly more an more concerns about that crept into scouting reports until about during his last Copa Del Rey it was identified as one of his only major problems and strategies how to stop him by crowding him quickly. He still dribbles better than most any amateur, but at the NBA level, against quicksilver PGs, … It’s just not enough to get past most of them. He already uses step-back jumpers as his go-to move to free himself from tight one on one covers.
He would stand to benefit from the dribbling coach that worked with Jerryd last year at least as much from working with a strength trainer.
I think the ideal coach for the Blazers is... (here comes the hate mail!)
Phil Jackson. He is good managing personalities and egos. He runs an offense that I think would be ideal for this roster. And he brings star power that could deflect attention away from his players.
I also think the Blazers could be an interesting challenge for him — a good team, but one that doesn’t have the best player in the league.
Obviously, it’s never going to happen, but I think he would be ideal.
I love Phil Jackson as a coach.
and, yes, not gonna happen.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Liar.
There is no way to like the Packers and be able to also enjoy the Vikings.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Dan Patrick voice
“Brett Farrrrve!”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I wondered about that too
Which side of the St. Croix did you live on Dave? (west side here – Win Twins!)
put a body on 'em
Thanks Dave.
An offensive rebound in paragraph form. -Mr. Golliver
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Mar 24, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
Re/ question #1
Agreed—this Blazers team appears to be a one & done group. HOWEVER: I think it’s possible the Blazer team that opens the playoffs will be considerably stronger than the one we’ve seen to date this season.
Why? The upcoming schedule will afford them the chance to not only face playoff-level competition, but to get in a bit of practice time as well. That simulates playoff ball, and may allow the team to grow & gell sufficiently to seriously compete in the first round.
At least it seems feasible. If not, then yeah: it’s “wait ’til next year.”
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
True
But I also think about the team we’ll be playing that’s had 82 games of preparing for the playoffs, in essence. Teams like Denver and L.A. have been laser-focused on this since Day 1 while Portland has spent the season getting its house in order. It doesn’t bode well that we still need to practice and gel after 70 games. It’s not wrong that we’re having to do so. That’s because of circumstance and age and lineups and what have you. But it puts us at a disadvantage against teams that have their acts together, for whom those things we’re having to practice come automatically at this point. That’s one of the main goals for next year: to be so well-oiled and honed that we’re not having to ask a bunch of questions leading into the final month of the season and are plotting how to dismantle a playoff opponent instead.
—Dave
Agreed
If the Blazers pull off a first-round win, it’ll be an upset. I’m just suggesting it may not be the stuff of miracles. Denver, Dallas, et al are good but not awesome. And the Blazers may be putting it all together just at the right time thanks to guys getting healthy and the team getting some needed rest & practice time.
In Phoenix, we saw a lot of rust from the 4-day break. Without all those bricked open shots by the Blazers, those two teams, at least, appear pretty evenly-matched to me.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Dave, great insight!
You just made the game more exciting for me and (I would bet) many other readers. I will be seeing seams in the zone in my sleep. Nate had better read your piece. If Roy waves for the ball behind the three facing a 2-3 zone with 3 minutes left, I hope Miller throws him his shoe.
by thebigoutdoors on Mar 24, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
I wonder if that is serious
That was a great simple explanation of the zone, but I’m sure Nate could give you a 3-hour grad level seminar on attacking zones. Do fans really think Nate doesn’t know basketball? And I thought one of the best aspects of Dave’s writeup is to show why the Blazers, as the roster is right now with injuries included, is bound to struggle against zones. It also shows why Nate liked having Steve Blake around, while fans were constantly underestimating the importance of 3-point shooting from the top and the diagonals.
Then who doesn't get it?
So why was Roy waving for the ball at the 3pt arc to be instantly double teamed by the Sun’s zone; because he doesn’t know any better, he doesn’t listen, or because he was told to do so? Please enlighten me because that is what Miller faced when he brought the ball across the half court line in the last minutes of the game. When Miller gave Roy the ball, Brandon could do little but eat clock and make a rare three. Please tell me Nate knew better and Roy just won’t listen. Please tell me why the Blake idea failed and we still try to throw threes over a zone defense as our primary attack. You may assume Nate is brilliant. Then tell me why you think he knows so much and does not get his team to incorporate all he knows. Please, I am frustrated.
by thebigoutdoors on Mar 24, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not even sure what the question is here
I think it’s a little nuts if people honestly believe that an NBA coach doesn’t know the basics of attacking a zone. It’s not brilliant, it’s just what they do. I don’t really get what you are asking, but I thought Dave’s breakdown gave a good explanation of why the Blazers are just going to struggle attacking a zone, lacking shooters in the lineup who can hit from the angles or the top of the key. So you want to know why Roy was getting the ball? Umm… because he’s a superstar? Obviously things didn’t go right because he never found his attack angle, but I don’t think <100% success on every offensive play is something to get frustrated about.
It also shows why Nate liked having Steve Blake around, while fans were constantly underestimating the importance of 3-point shooting from the top and the diagonals
Agreed. Like I wrote the other night after the game, you could almost see Brandon looking over the zone defense and hoping to spot Steve in one corner and Catfish in the other
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Did you not agree with what Dave wrote?
There’s a general problem with this approach, however. Any defense, particularly any NBA defense, is going to be thrilled to have you launching deep. They’ll consider that a job well done even if you hit a few. Opponents would be ecstatic about the Blazers in particular taking this approach. The majority of Portland’s shots are going to come from the guards. Brandon Roy shoots 34% from distance. That’s not horrible but it’s not among the league elite either. Plus when he’s shooting out there he’s not hurting you with his best weapon, the drive. Also that 34% tends to come from a bunch of streaky, amazing games instead of consistent distance prowess. If he’s off, you win with him shooting out there.
Now tell me Blake was not streaky.
by thebigoutdoors on Mar 24, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
the corner 3 is a nice weapon to have
I’m not saying I want Blake back (and definitely not Trav…) but the last time the Blazers were in PHX Steve and the boys shot the lights out. There was no effective zone defense for the Suns that night
With Rudy out and Martell cold, then Dave’s right. But if you’ve got guys who can stroke the trey, they can stretch the zone and rip those seams wide open
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yep
I truly did miss Rudy and even Steve. That said, Roy should not have been calling for the ball when the zone had him sued up, and Nate should have been calling him down for it. The point I liked most in what Dave said was that Marcus could have been the disher since he is not a strong offensive shooter. Roy should have been cutting and picking as well as Miller. But Roy often just stood there asking for the ball, thinking he was going to save the game like he did against Washington. How many times have we seen the plan for the last seconds to be give the ball to Brandon with no picks, nothing but flatten and let him shoot over a double team? Dave’s alternatives have given me hope. I hope we see examples of Nate showing how well he knows of these tactics. I’ve been waiting since October for a change and I now see daylight from what Dave suggested. People here say the coaching staff knows all this, and it is all so elementary; but please tell me why we do not see it being utilized? Sorry if I’m preaching to the choir.
by thebigoutdoors on Mar 24, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like Andre gets it
“This team, before I even got here, was a team that always had good shooters around the perimeter,” Miller said. “And I think we have relied on the jump shot too much instead of attacking the rim.”
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/03/trail_blazers_brandon_roy_port.html
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
At least he said 'and' instead of 'but'
He might be lacking in diplomacy but he is trying. He will probably be sitting more tonight due to his honesty and lack of tact. Nate is kinda threatened by the man.
by thebigoutdoors on Mar 25, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
looks like Dre got the ball often last game
Not sure if that was a serious prediction either, but Miller seems to be running the offense more and more for the Blazers, so it looks like Nate is plenty comfortable with him now.
They are only thrilled if you take bad shots
Dave’s only partially right. I guarantee teams aren’t thrilled if they leave 38-40% shooters wide open from 3. That’s why if you put guys like that on the floor they can stretch the D without even touching the ball. Zones are more vulnerable, since a little movement can sometimes shake someone loose and everyone is worried about forgetting a wide open shooter..
Great breakdown on attacking a zone
That’s a great layman’s description. Unfortunately, it shows how poorly the Blazers are built for attacking a zone right now. I still like Miller attacking in the middle, and even Camby in the high post when people are moving around the baseline, but without shooters like Rudy, a confident Martell, and Blake around, it leaves those zones really tight.
Let’s hope Webster can find his happy hat in time to shoot us out of the zone lock.
Yup. That was the point.
Not so much a clinic on how to beat a zone (as if the coaching staff needed me to tell them that) but enough of an explanation of the basics of tackling the zone to show why the Blazers aren’t able to do it with the greatest ease right now.
Even with all that I think Portland should be better at it than they are. But to be fair that last game was an extreme example. They aren’t always stymied by zones. It’s just when things start going wrong they don’t have a ton of natural options to compensate.
—Dave
When Martell does hit the court nowadays he’s getting scraps of minutes. It’s always hard for guys to get in the scoring flow with that kind of time. You’re coming off the bench cold, for one thing. If you’re playing with the starters you’re the odd guy in the lineup and don’t get shots.
James Jones flourished in this role. Not everyone can. Obviously Webster has more to his game than Jones does (or did, back in ‘07) but finding a role player who can shoot well in short spurts coming in cold off the bench is like finding hidden treasure. Marty doesn’t seem to have the ability, and it’s a waste to keep him on the roster as “injury insurance” Too bad, because he’s got the perfect attitude to accept a “whatever” role
The other problem is, Webster’s trade value has plummeted from the end of January to where it will be in June, unless lightning strikes and he does well in the post-season (but what are the odds of that?)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
and if he does, why trade him?
Rudy: ""McMillan has a philosophy of play and I don´t not think that will change by giving him a hug."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 24, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
how long can you tread water?
old Bill Cosby routine about Noah
You might come to the conclusion that…Marty seems a little too content collecting his 4 mil/year paychecks, if you’re looking dispassionately at the roster, like a good Vulcan
Personally he can stick around as far as I’m concerned. Nice kid. He could come around, eventually. Or, he could become a byword about using high lottery choices for high school wing players that goes down in Blazer lore (it was John Nash’s call, not KP’s…)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah ......
…it is always the dichotomy with “trade value” ….if a dude has that much trade value …why trade him? If he loses trade value …you can’t get much for him (shrugs). As far as Marty being a little too content as a back up …..again a catch 22. You need a guy who is content with his role (at least for the most part), but if he is …then he might not be ambitious enough to get better. (shrugs again)
Rudy: ""McMillan has a philosophy of play and I don´t not think that will change by giving him a hug."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 24, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
I preferred “200 MPH” of all the old Bill Cosby bits….I suspect I would react the same way if I ever got a chance to drive an AC Cobra
Rudy: ""McMillan has a philosophy of play and I don´t not think that will change by giving him a hug."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 24, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
To Russell my brother whom I slept with
“Oh man, don’t you spit that water on me!”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nice chess/poker analogy re: KP
It might help to explain how KP can feel so comfortable at the Sloan conference, but (allegedly) have so many “enemies” across the league.
The old school GMs and NBA execs are like the grandpa poker player who wears the cowboy hat (I can’t remember his name, which is kind of the point…) The Sloanies are like Phil Helmuth who came up through the ranks playing on-line poker and knows the percentage for every possible hand combination. Everybody knows Phil. They take turns loathing him and fearing him. He seems to be a nice-enough guy until the game’s afoot but then he’s the kind of guy you’d like to do physical harm to, if there weren’t laws against assault.
I’m not saying KP = Helmuth (I don’t compete against him, for one thing) but if we extend your poker analogy to a more-personal level, perhaps the light bulbs will start coming on re: why A-Woj never seems to have a shortage of anti-KP column material
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That would include the Packers, Vikings
You do realize that you have to pick one of these. You can’t be both a Beaver and a Duck (or root for L*A if you’re a Blazer fan)
(psst, pick the Purple team from the Norris division)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Kevin Love
A deep, low-post player who can also pass can do wonders against a zone. Portland doesn’t have that right now either.
Swap Aldridge to Minnesota, bring KLove back home so he can be Walton 2.0. Aldridge’s fat contract off the books. Maybe make a run at the draft rights of Ricky Rubio.
by IndustrialRevolution on Mar 25, 2010 7:51 AM PDT reply actions
Our big man situation
Since we can’t rely on Oden, we should look into moving up in the draft & positioning ourselfs to maybe land Donatas Montiejunas. Skilled Bigman from Lithuania just like Sabonis—— Except this time around he will be coming at a early age.
PS: Regarding rubio… If we keep Rudy I say commit fully and and a player who will improve his efficiency, and return to our 2nd unit runs mentality. If not, swap him for someone who can play some good perimeter defense because you can’t have enough of em in the playoffs.
Jrue Holiday reminds
by IndustrialRevolution on Mar 25, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
me of gary payton...
If nate wants perimeter defense thats the guy you want. and he has been on a tear with his 3 pt shot, which is ideal for playing next to brandon
Roster Rant over for now :)
by IndustrialRevolution on Mar 25, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
before Joel's injury
I proposed Przy+Rudy for Love and the rights to Rubio
This probably wouldn’t get it done (especially now) but it would’ve given the Wolves a starting SG and C and answered the question “who’s the future Blazer PG?”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

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