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"Note: I'd give you a top 12, but then we'd have to discuss Greg Oden … and Rip City is already on edge enough thanks to the firing of assistant GM Tom Penn and the subsequent "Kevin Pritchard might be next" rumors. Which is really what separates Portland from any other basketball city: NOBODY ELSE would care this much about an assistant GM getting fired unless he got canned because he was plowing into his assistant on a Xerox machine or something. In Portland, this saga is being analyzed like President Obama's health care package. There is no other NBA city like it. And I mean that as a compliment."

Bill nailed it.

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He makes a good point.

Our strengths are our weaknesses as fans. We’re the best because we care so much but we also over react the most because of that very reason.

Lover of everything Batum.
#88

by RyanRTE on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I gotta say this whole management drama doesn't interest me one bit

Blazers are making a playoff run and have held together despite all the setbacks this year, let’s enjoy that and worry about the other crap after the season.

by dulcamara on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

durant, horford, noah, landry, gasol

by so ill so d0pe on Mar 23, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretty seriously

becuase right now Oden is garbage

Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson

by Benson on Mar 23, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this site overrun by trolls?
How ’bout Sam Presti snaring two of the best four rookies in that 2007 draft?

He’s not saying there are at least 4 guys producing more than Oden at THIS time, he’s saying these guys are plain better.

Such a statement is (a) premature; (b) short-sighted; © not in accord with what nearly all GMs then were thinking or still think, for that matter; (d) ignorant, as it ignores the fact that Oden can dominate and has dominated a game as much or more so than any other player in his draft; (e) befitting an intellect in the category of Zippy the Pinhead.

Injuries are a real concern, but you can’t honestly maintain that Oden doesn’t have the potential to be the undisputed prize of the draft.

#52

by CatMan2 on Mar 23, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah potential...

stats back up Simmons assertion. Yes Oden “could” be better than those guys, but as of right now he isnt. He has played 82 games out of 246 and got abused by Yao Ming in the playoffs.

Noah is a double double machine
Horford is an All-Star,
and Jeff Green averages 5 points more than Oden per game for his career.

Can Oden be better than all of them? Absolutely. Has he been the last 3 years? NO

Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson

by Benson on Mar 23, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd rather have Oden than them

But right now you can’t doubt that they’re better simply because they’re on the floor.

by robrun2 on Mar 23, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoa easy with the troll-calling there

he didn’t say “the four rookies with the the most potential” – he said the “best four rookies” up to this point obviously, as they have only been in the league three years – and those guys have all been superior to Oden if nothing else than that they have produced for all 3 of those years…sure Oden was great this year before he went down, but he’s played what amounts to 1 season of games in 3 years..

I’m still as optimistic about Oden’s potential as anyone, but you just can’t argue against this statement at this point, here’s to hoping that a few years from now this post does appear as short-sighted as you say it is

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 23, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

...

When it comes to Portland, you can bet your money Simmons will miss the point completely every time.

I don’t care about Tom Penn, I care about Kevin Pritchard. It wasn’t us who went on to assume Pritchard was next, it was his own agent.

I seriously hate Bill Simmons, he knows nothing about Portland

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by brandonmitchell on Mar 23, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think he's making a normative judgment one way or another.

He’s just saying, Portland is great b/c our fans are so rabid we care about things like the firing of a VP.

"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave

by DC Blazer on Mar 23, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

have we ruled out tom penn hasn't been plowing into assistants on xerox machines?

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Mar 23, 2010 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

No. And that would be the lesser of many evils.

One other rumor is that he accused Larry Miller of doing something similar. That also would be a comparatively small evil, though at least as good a reason to fire him – or both.

by Norsktroll on Mar 23, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was my initial speculation.

I still think there was some unforgivable unprofessional act.

Now the question is, was KP there watching? Its all becoming clearer…

by Free Bayless on Mar 24, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh, scandal!

Mebbe Penn organized a tete-a-tete for Miller, and filmed it and tried to blackmail him into giving KP a raise….

(See Blazers, what happens when you don’t just tell us what happened?)

by Visionary2 on Mar 24, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blazers Drama > Obama Drama

Also, as always, Bill Simmons can go jump in a lake.

by jigglyai on Mar 23, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Screw Bill Simmons

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 23, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Sorry, too busy with his assistant and a xerox machine.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Mar 23, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta love

 a well built xerox machine.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Mar 25, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

simmons

I understand that Bill Simmons is entertaining to read, but as far as I’m concerned the dude can go piss up a rope. We are the way we are and most us like it. I’d prefer that the national media just ignore the blazers because that is what they do best. I like it that way personally.

by JAWKS on Mar 23, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+92

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 23, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that settles it.

I’m not going to be using any rope anytime soon.

by jigglyai on Mar 24, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

wise

duct tape works better anyway

Rudy: ""McMillan has a philosophy of play and I don´t not think that will change by giving him a hug."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 24, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

why do you guys hate on Bill Simmons?

have you read his “Book of Basketball”? he has some of the best NBA insight of anyone out there. So what if he doesn’t absolutely LOVE our franchise? He’s from Boston and lives in LA, why would he? I think he has pretty good insights and covers things pretty well overall. It’s no secret that he loves Kevin Durant and has given the Blazers a hard time for drafting Oden – so what a lot of media people have done that.

Anytime in recent history he has written about Portland and the Blazers (like when he was here for his book tour, and in today’s Diary as examples), he talks about what a great, unprecedented basketball city we are, how great and rabid the fan base is, and how no other city is like us (in a good way). How can you be hating on that?

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 23, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

The Book of Basketball was just dumb

It was just a long boring blog of “what if crap” and stupid lists printed on paper.

Andre Miller is an Anachronism

by tominhawaii on Mar 24, 2010 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not only is his drivel annoying and extremely NE-centric

but he often fails even some rudimentary fact checking.

by jigglyai on Mar 24, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

meh

may I be the first to say that the only time I’ve read Bill simmons is when someone at BE has brought his name up. (Thanks a lot, Bedgers for widening my horizons.) Now, do everybody a favor and stop talking about BS since you think he’s so clueless

And it you love his stuff and can’t get enough of him, then the two of you need to find a private chatroom

FWIW, A-Woj thinks Portland fans obsess over Blazer minutia as well. (Hey, at least we’re known for something) but I don’t go looking for Wojo’s columns unless somebody drops them in the fanshots, either. So if you follow the Simmon’s formula re: A-Woj (see ^ above) perhaps we’ll all come out of this crisis a little older and wiser

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 23, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

don't feed

the trolls

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 24, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec

Andre Miller is an Anachronism

by tominhawaii on Mar 24, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you why I care so deeply about who our GM is...

He’s the highest guy on the food chain that actually has something to say to us! (Sorry Larry, but I guess that you and I have some “Philosophical Differences” as to what your true title should be.

Ever since Paul Allen and Vulcan bought the franchise – they’ve wanted to play the role of Black Ops by having no relationship with the local media or the fans. Over the years their public statements that they’ve issued through middle management have been no more enlightening than a Tiger Woods press conference.

I’ll always give them credit for throwing money at situations but that is it.. I’ll attribute all future success this team has to the GM position and below. I can no longer throw kudos out to shadows.

And perhaps that’s the way PA and Vulcan want it. /shrug/

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Mar 23, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Simmons is right about this one!

We over react beyond belief about everything, but that’s what comes with being such passionate fans with not much else to talk about around here sports wise.

When it comes to this whole management issue, really what bothers me the most is how much the Vulcans seems to overrate Nate. Sure is feeling like Sarge is gonna be around for a while, which means our team will be playing in a system that handicaps most of our talents for many early playoff exit seasons to come.

by Coastie07 on Mar 23, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

which means our team will be playing in a system that handicaps most of our talents

Why not draft and acquire talents that fit the coach’s system? I realize this is old school thinking…but Stu Inman and Jack Ramsay used to work “together” on the draft. Jack would tell Stu what kind of player he needed and then Inman would tell Ramsay who was out there in the college ranks that best fit that role

Of course, the worst-case example of this collaboration was the 1984 draft, but the two of them did assemble a pretty good roster during the summer of ’76

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 24, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

This goes to the heart..

of why I’m not opposed to a change…

KP has done a phenomenal job of amassing talent. That’s what you do when you start from scratch. Assemble assets. When the coach’s needs are “everything”, you can just pick the best player available for a few years…

Now that we have them, we have a few decisions to make, and I haven’t seen any evidence that KP is even asking the questions, never mind answering them. Namely: is Nate the long term coach? If he is, who are the players that best fit his style? If not, what coach would best match the talents of the players?

Then, you need the skill to parley your assets into the final pieces of the puzzle. THEN you let the championship cake bake…

Personally, I hope beyond hope that Nate decides he’s had enough and doesn’t renew. Then, we go out and get a coach that knows how to teach offense, who can get his guys to run, get his superstar to buy in to a defensive first concept and become a leader by showing how to give it all up on the defensive end. THEN we can see a banner raised…

I think KP can go to the next level, but I’m not sure. I think he way overvalues his assets, and he may have burned too many bridges (Pritchslap).

Kinda like politics – I’m optimistic and hope that, despite the sh!t storm we’ve created, we’ll come out of it OK…

As I get older, I’ve started to realize that everything is a pendulum… once it goes too far one way, it’ll go back the other, with an equal and opposite force to how far it went the other way…

The Jail Blazers too us to one edge, and KP brought in Robin Hood as his Merry Men to drive the pendulum the other way and save the forest… soon tho, the King is going to want to see some rings, and things might get ugly again while we transition to the new rulers… and the Dems should celebrate today, cuz November won’t look so pretty to them…

by Visionary2 on Mar 24, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

my old boss had three favorite sayings

“Don’t put all your eggs in one ____ basket”

“The pendulum never swings to the ______ middle”

“Live fast. Die young. Leave a pretty corpse”

As the years go by, these sayings make more and more sense. (Well, maybe not the last one, so much…)

I thought the Ian Furness interview on the MSP where they compared what the Vulcans did with Mike Holmgren to what’s happening now with KP was enlightening.

link

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 24, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I posted this general thought somewhere else on BE, but I'll do it again

Simmons is missing a crucial point. We’re not merely reacting to Penn being fired. We’re reacting to the absolute mess created by the Vulcans. It wasn’t a simple firing. It’s being grossly mishandled.

"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave

by Magnum on Mar 24, 2010 2:20 AM PDT reply actions  

It would be one thing...

if fans were going crazy about an assistant gm being fired. However, as many of you have pointed out, Simmons elects to ignore the real source of the fan anxiety; namely, the uncertainty. I’m not really concerned that Penn was fired, in a general sense; rather, I’m troubled that a situation that might have normally been viewed as mostly innocuous has been bungled so badly in term of public relations, that it has escalated to such a ridiculous situation.

by jigglyai on Mar 24, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

+92 on this too

If Tom Penn had been fired…..and it had been announced that it was because of a significant management issue unrelated to KP. I would be firmly on the PA’s side in this. But, that is not what happened. (BTW I do understand that specifics may not be able to released…but the message can be worded to convey the idea).

Rudy: ""McMillan has a philosophy of play and I don´t not think that will change by giving him a hug."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 24, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Small time

It’s cute sometimes, annoying other times. This would be one of the latter.

by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Mar 24, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Doesn't make sense to me.

Overreaction to what? We’re a one pro team city; of course it’s an appropriate reaction. All our eggs are in one basket and none of us are rich enough to do anything about it. Simmons can be witty at times but I do take umbrage at his PDX characterizations. He likes to thump us on the head with his big-city elitism just for a reaction. I don’t appreciate being used so I avoid his articles.

by Stryder9 on Mar 24, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Simmons used to be funny

before the Patriots, Red Sox won titles. And that’s why I used to read his columns. Then the Blazers lucked into the #1 pick, when the Celtics had the top odds of getting it. BS was thinking Durant going to the C’s all the way. When the Blazers ping pong ball popped up, well, BS lost it. He’s had a thing for zinging the Blazers ever since.

by hellsfrozenover on Mar 24, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, what a bunch of great new names!

helisfrozenover
theghostofsomeonefamous
begottenson…

by Visionary2 on Mar 24, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

The responses on this topic would make Simmons laugh.

The responses on this topic make me laugh.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Mar 24, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Vitrol to Simmons over this?

Really?

he’s right.

Oden hasn’t done anything. Unless he can be healthy he has no value.

I’m amused that Noah is doing well. One of the things I wanted was a move for Durant and Noah for Oden.

Portland fans also DO fly off the handle. I disagree that symptoms of the old guard ruining a good thing is reason to NOT fly off the handle though.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Mar 25, 2010 7:33 AM PDT reply actions  

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