March 22st Big Red Junk
by jksnake99 on Mar 21, 2010 10:46 PM PDT
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Well, this first weekend of the NCAA tournament was one for the ages for mid-majors. No fewer than 5 teams from outside the power conferences advanced to the sweet 16: the 5th seeded Butler Bulldogs, the 6th seeded Xavier Musketeers, the 9th seeded Northern Iowa Panthers, the 10th seeds St. Mary's Gaels and the 12th seeded Cornell Big Red. The highlight for most folks was probably Northern Iowa's stunning upset of Kansas, but I'm going to focus on my alma mater, Cornell.
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What happened this weekend was truly special. Cornell became the first Ivy League team to make the sweet 16 since the tournament expanded to 64 teams, and they did so in dominant fashion. If you missed Cornell's dissections of Temple and Wisconsin, you missed some of the most beautifully executed offensive basketball I have ever seen, as Cornell shot 56% and then 61% against two teams noted for their defense. There have been plenty of Cinderella stories in the tourney but I don't know if there's ever been a 12 seed this utterly dominant in two upsets. Certainly not an Ivy League team. It was absolutely a weekend for the ages, and I can't even begin to explain how hard I would have laughed if you'd told me this would happen 5 years ago while I was there at Cornell watching them lose to Colgate in any empty gym. Surreal.
If you want to read more about Cornell, read this by the great John Feinstein (I highly recommend his book on the Patriot League, "The Last Amateurs") or this from ESPN or this from Yahoo.
Next up for Cornell is a matchup against the "amateur" team from Lexington, Kentucky. It will be billed as the ultimate matchup of amateur vs. "amatuer," egghead vs. 1 and done, "all that is good with collegiate sports" vs. "John Callipari is a cheater." The game is this Thursday in Syracuse, about an hour from Cornell's campus, and I am hoping to make the trip.
BTW, congrats to all the other teams in the sweet 16, including g-love's Orange
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brp's Buckeyes
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I like me some Washington...
maybe if they win it all it will knock B.Roy out of his funk
How am I not myself? How am I not myself?
by thankyouforblaze on Mar 21, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions
I have a special love for Cornell
Since people always asked if I was going to “Cornell” when I said I was going to “Grinnell”.
GO BIG RED!
BEAT THE AAU!
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March madness is distracting Roy from his NBA duties
Washington needs to lose immediately!
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
They play DURING our game Thursday I think
We’ll see if that impacts him.
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9.5 point dogs
Not bad, less than I would have expected honestly.
They can do it and it would be awesome if they did.
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That's just accepting loss
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted ohio state
cause i love brp and greg oden
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 21, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted Duke
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You love skinny white boys shooting 3s?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I don't really care
I do like Coach K. He seems like a nice guy.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
why don’t you and BRP get a room?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
hes the only one thats nice to me
the rest of yall are richards to me
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 22, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
awwww…..
:(
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
don’t fall for it.. one second you’re all lovey dovey, the next DS is whacking you over the head with a bowling ball
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
how did I not see this fail?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_M_FF1o27I
from pioneer courthouse square…. on our news….
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 21, 2010 11:02 PM PDT reply actions
There are some striking similairites between this run and George Mason's
In that in both cases the Sweet 16/Elite 8 games are basically home games.
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I'm in love...
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 21, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
She's not as attractive now
Still attractive but not AS attractive.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If my future wife looks like that in her 40s, I'm good with that
Even better if she’s a hoops fan too
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 21, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
more attractive
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
I considered posting one of just Thomas
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
You know the fact that he has been playing well
Means he will just rip out your hearts harder next weekend by making a stupid play just as you begin to trust him.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I know you don't
I mean less intelligent fans.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
yeeees. For some reason I flipped names in my head.
I will post an Ann Coulter picture if you don’t watch out, Snacob.
by Cablinasian on Mar 21, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think she's hot for some reason
I’m not OK with it.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Pelosi?!?!?!
I hate when politicians get obvious work done on their faces. I hate when actors do it, but especially when politicos do it.
#52
ESPN says Cornell’s 61.1% shooting was the highest ever against Wisconsin under Bo Ryan.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
I knew they were vulnerable to Cornell
Because Wisconsin is offensively challenged.
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anyone see Life on Discovery Channel tonight? (during NBA commercials of course)
it’s pretty frakkin awesome.
I enjoy me some Planet Earth shiznit
How am I not myself? How am I not myself?
by thankyouforblaze on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions
yeah i dvr'd it
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by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 21, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It was amazing
I was blown away at the camera work.
High points: The Komodo dragons mass-feasting on the water buffalo, and the pebble toad escaping the tarantula.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
As bad as Nicolas played, he’s the only guy in the plus column with +7
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
all we needed was to make free throws or hit a couple 3’s.
4-17 from 3 is still only 28.5%, we shot 11.8%
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
Its because he was out
Due to bad fouls called on him when they went on their run.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
exactly, they went on a run when he went out.
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
I feel sorry for Vasquez and MD
Well mostly for Vasquez, who is clutch and then this happens:
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Vazquez almost willed his team to an amazing comeback.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
That's probably it for him
Don’t see him as much of an NBA prospect.
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I don't love him as an NBA prospect either.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
I have rarely seen Gary Williams as depressed
As he was in the post-game news conference today. He’s usually angry when they get bounced but he was just sad.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
So, if the rumors are true, KP is one of the most underpaid sports execs in the US.
It’s possible that’s only his base salary, and he gets significant yearly bonuses. They’d never get listed as part of the article. Possibly intentionally.
Vecsey has always hated us
But I’m sure KP will get a raise. Now that we’ve hired ESPN Trade Machine, who works for free, we can afford to give him more $.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
that can’t be right…if it is, then KP has the right to let his agent complain as much as possible…which could be the main reason all these petty issues have become bigger
fiftytwo
I think the numbers from Kawakami are right. And when Vecsey posts such concrete numbers, chances are they are right too. Maybe both Presti and KP jumped at the chance to become GMs, then giving first-time GMs a comparatively low starting salary is fair. But since then, or at least now, both would deserve to be paid above league average.
Nate gets paid above league average for coaches…
Btw, talk about bad interior D
Look at the D on this game-winner today:
Sweet play by Kramer.
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buzzcut is blocking out his own man
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Hubert Davis picks UW to beat WVU. Digger disagrees.
Neither picks the upset in the Cornell-Kentucky game.
Digger picks St. Mary’s to beat Baylor.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
Bilas stands alone
More motivation for your folks.
You’re playing with house money now, Kentucky has all the pressure.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Cornell should have beaten Kansas (Refs)
They can beat Kentucky, I said can, not will.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If the Big Red play like they did this weekend, Kentucky will need its A game.
If Cornell has a typical Cornell game, a B- effort from Kentucky will do.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
They need to not be stupid
Like Wake was.
And I know they’re smart but there is smart and basketball smart.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Cornell will have a good gameplan, no question about it
They have nobody with even a prayer to handle Wall in the open court or Cousins down low though. They will need to shoot well over 50% again.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
No one can handle Wall one on one
He’s that good.
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that would be a competitive game.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
I need Cornell to drop Kentucky, and Purdue to drop Duke.
Wish I could root for Washington too, but I have WVU in the championship game so Washington unfortunately must lose.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Mar 21, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate that guy
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm picking Cornell to win it all
They’re gonna outsmart every team they face. People don’t realize it, but the Ivy League has the best teams in the world, but they all cannibalize each other with their insane smarts that their records never look that great. But if you actually let one of those teams into a normal tournament, they’ll dominate… as we’re seeing with Cornell now.
It’s science, people. Grow up and deal with it.
#52
that's the only thing that kept Ann Coulter (Cornell 84) out of the WNBA
that and the WNBA didn’t exist then
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 22, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Stupid nonexistence
I hate me that
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
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#10 & #52
I love that if LTrain had swept the Spinners last week.
He would have slipped past Roybot into the playoffs.
BUT THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN! BOOM!
Oh well. We like being a lotto team. But good luck everyone in the playoffs. And by everyone, I mean Roybot.
#10 & #52
i thought we were friends…..
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yay spinners!
i’m glad this was our final act before slipping into the abyss of nothingness… it was good working with you.. but i’m gonna have to let you go.. you don’t climb ladders very well (very slow and awkwardly actually) and you didn’t rub me right AT ALL..
#21 - Get Well, AO
I fight like a girl
"Being mad ruins my day way more than it ruins the day of the person I’m mad at." -Dave Blazer's Edge
by galacticlove on Mar 22, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
huge congrats to your big red, Jake!! i’m so thrilled for you guys! this has gotta be one of the most compelling stories in several tournaments… have i ever mentioned that my first game at the dome was the Cornell game in 2002? i can’t remember if the streak was at 23 or what.. but the magnitude always stuck with me.. i remember melo and warrik had good games that day..
It’s important to note that although big red basketball is 1-17 all-time at the Carrier Dome… Kentucky is actually 0-3… percentwise that’s a big improvement.. plus big red homeland is just an i81 away! i’m about to head down to NYC with mah dearie ;D chances are that i will be back in syracuse by thursday.. and i definitely would love to know if you are gonna make it out here!
good job to everyones teams who made it! not that you did anything… but you support a team that did! ;)
btw… tourney games are very loud!! but a lot of fun.. rarely do you get to see crowds of mixed fan bases except in tourneys.. how random would it be for the nba to put playoff games on neutral territories?
have a beautiful day junkers!
#21 - Get Well, AO
I fight like a girl
"Being mad ruins my day way more than it ruins the day of the person I’m mad at." -Dave Blazer's Edge
I know you are new to stats and not keen on math.
But .058% is not really all that much better than 0%. Plus, given the error involved in only having three cases to sample from from Kentucky at the dome, you probably wouldn’t be able to conclude that these were different percentages.
We’ll go over this all in your next tutoring session. Have fun, lil butterfly.
#10 & #52
heh
I would also say that dependent variable of winning percentage is probably more dictated by quality of opponent than random chance. Just a guess.
I'm sure a lot of the variance is explained by quality of opponent.
But I’d have to say, from watching the tourney this week, than there is certainly a stochastic element to winning percentage also.
#10 & #52
Big Red!
When were you at Cornell, Jake? I am at Cornell now, teaching, finishing my PhD and watching the Blazers at night by myself.
by unemployedreflection on Mar 22, 2010 7:33 AM PDT reply actions
I'm Cornell class of '06
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
congrats jake
good for cornell..
so .. who is everyone rooting for to win it?
I am on the Baylor bandwagon (basically cuz i want Udoh in the black and red)
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions
I like to see Baylor do well
They are traditionally the whipping boys of the Big-12 in every sport, and it’s a pretty remarkable recovery after Bliss basically destroyed the whole program. Sometimes when something like that happens, the program is never the same (see SMU football). So to see them back on their feet and pretty successful in less than a decade is great.
I like Butler going far.
I might start rooting for Syracuse just because I probably watched more of their games than most other teams this year and they are fun to watch.
Plus, g-love is holding my family hostage.
#10 & #52
rooting for Kentucky=fail
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
It's going to be a long week in Blazer-land
I couldn’t bother finishing the Woj article, I know where all his articles end up.
You were right
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 22, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It was nasty
but at the same time, can anybody come up with an explanation for all the BS coming out of LeGarie? His comments don’t indicate a healthy relationship.
At some point, LeGarie must realize
that a scorched earth tactic will not benefit his client. And KP needs to wake up to that realization too.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Mar 22, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I guess we have to hope that the realization takes place before things have soured past the point of no return, if it hasn’t already gone that far. These comments + the Penn firing do show something is amiss inside Blazerland. Wojo is probably exaggerating and a jerk, but I don’t think we can stand here and say everything is OK. Sure, you can say LeGarie is causing all the trouble. But LeGarie is KP’s agent—he speaks on KP’s behalf. And as long as he’s KP’s agent, we basically have to treat LeGarie’s words as KP, because KP could just fire him if he didn’t like what he’s saying.
hoo boy
A-Woj is A-Woj, but I this point something is clearly amiss, and I don’t like it.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
we agree.. what do advanced stats say about this?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I worry about is if the Blazers are left looking for a replacement GM, that they overcorrect in the opposite direction of how Awoj is painting KP. Let’s say Awoj is at least a little right, and KP is arrogant, manipulative, etc. Well I hope that the Blazers don’t hire a weak lapdog to replace him, in effect leaving basketball operations decisions to Miller’s team.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
I just have a hard time imagining KP as not our GM… I just can’t fathom it, it hurts my Monday brain
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Miller, responsible for the CSN thing, Nate, responsible for a fourth-grade offense… and we fire KP.
unfathomable… regardless of how much we disagree about the offense
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I love my Jordans, but I'm beginning to doubt how much Larry had to do with that
and how much was right place, right time
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
if we give up what we are building now, it will break my heart
there are storm clouds coming..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
i know.. its scary
hey if we pool our money, do you think all of us combined would have enough to hire Norsktroll international man of intrigue to “remove” KPs agent?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
oh, that would suck. I hadn’t thought of that. New GM might want to put his stamp on things and exorcise perceived past demons.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
i hope to god
you got this from your Joel is a mormon sources.. please please please!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I will personally fly up there and slap PA in his face if he blows this up
and we should ALL boycott games..
thats the only way to make changes.. vote with your wallet
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
if GO left, i would consider not renewing my season tickets. simply because i bought tickets in the first place to see where the team would go with him.
but a mass exodus of season ticket holders might enable vulcan to see the error of their ways.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
i dont know
incompetence runs deep with that group
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as Brandon Roy is still here, that exodus isn’t likely.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
that’s true.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd trade in my fan card
Denver or OKC would be my likely destinations
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
i wouldn’t go that far….
but i would consider drastically cutting my financial investment in the team
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was exaggerating
but just a little – I could not see myself handing over any $ to the franchise if they did that
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Crazy to think.
That many of us joked that this story and the timing of things could have anything to do with season ticket holder renewals.
All I got to say is that talking bobblehead better say a lot.
#10 & #52
that talking bobble head better tell me i’m the greatest person on the face of the earth.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
why?
it’s the way of corporations…remove, recycle, refurbish, etc i don’t like it but it’s business as usual.
if we boycott, guess what they can do? move the team to Seattle
fiftytwo
Not into the old Key Arena. But if PA sells to Ballmer or combines with Ballmer to build a new arena…
Chances of that are low. Chances of KP quitting now suddenly seem realistic after sounding completely unreasonable a month ago.
yep
and if anyone’s been around Safeco, and Qwest field, there’s a big giant spot just south of it for a new bball arena
fiftytwo
perhaps it is a smokescreen layed down by KP
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Bam!
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
total recall for nes was the hardest game i’ve ever played.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
i always thought Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was unreasonably difficult.
but i never played Total Recall.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
hardest game ever
Dick Tracy.
Followed closely by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
hahahaha
no sources here…just guessing based on Vulcan…they hate it when someone tries to pit them against the media…a few big egos at play will lead to something happening…
they could do it the Yankees way: low ball him at 800k extension for another 3 years, making KP walk but knowing them, they will just tell him to resign or get fired
fiftytwo
one of lifes great tragedies
is incompetences rise to power and responsibility either by nepotism or proximity to power
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
have you guys read Enron: Smartest Guys in the Room?
that book is amazing…and it’s basically pretty normal…you can see Vulcan in that book
fiftytwo
vulcan has failed in almost every single business venture though correct?
i saw that movie..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, investing all that money in Microsoft and Apple stock would have been way more profitable. But less funny. Vulcan does good things in the sports and art scene, but their business investments are a very mixed back.
i think TicketMaster was a big hit for Paul since he owned 70% but other than that, it was pretty abysmal on the business side
fiftytwo
He also had a huge investment in Dreamworks SKG, but he had to sell much of that to put it into Charter. How exactly do you lose money as a quasi-monopoly cable company? They have some energy sector investments that are decent. The tech business is questionable: ZoomInfo is nothing major, a number of companies are junk, his netbook venture failed, etc.
Or in Search of Excellence. You can see one of my old companies in that book ;)
There’s also a book and some nice case studies about AES, a main competitor to Enron and a company that really had a values-based company culture from top to bottom. They had some issues like any utility, but no major scandals and really tried to be a green and responsible company. Today they are much much bigger than 15 years ago while Enron is bankrupt.
Until now I hoped the Blazers would rather become such an organization…
What's also scary
is that you see so many similarities to almost any really large business.Fortune 100 companies all have pockets (at the very least) of amazing incompetence. With some, it’s even more than pockets and more than incompetence.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Mar 22, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah it’s weird…most of the people who risen to the top you can say was about smarts and hard work…but once you get up there, it’s a political battle and some people make bad decisions because they convince themselves that being politically strong is more important than continue their with the values that got them there
fiftytwo
Awoj is a richard but he’s just exaggerating what is there…the scary part is that he doesn’t need to exaggerate for us to know that there is a broken dichotomy in mgmt
fiftytwo
i’m not sure what kills me more…Nate not leaving the hot hands in the game or not playing Camby the whole 4th quarter…if you gonna rest the big men, rest him in the 2nd half of the 3rd and have him play the whole 4th.
fiftytwo
i thought he pulled Camby to try to go with offense in order to beat the zone?
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m saying in general…seems like he doesn’t come in until the 6 minute mark left in the 4th
fiftytwo
i see. Nate is pretty rigid with his rotations and what times guys are pulled and re-entered in to the game.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
AK1984 acting as an agent for Denver Nugget's GM Warkentien on Dwight Jaynes blog.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Bring that man back!
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Warkentien is a good negotiator. Not sure he’s quite as good as a talent evaluator. And the Denver roster isn’t really better rounded out than ours, but who knows if that’s the ownership (who is more about cost saving than Allen so far) or him.
Right, one of Warkentien’s big achievements was getting Denver under the tax. Of course, part of that was just letting Camby walk, but if part of Vulcan’s problem is they feel KP won’t work within a budget, then Warkentien would be a good pick, I suppose.
exactly. and in every interview I’ve heard with him, he says players get more valuable as they get closer to the rim.
He HATED the Telfair pick, I remember.
by Cablinasian on Mar 22, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Warkentien would be the best outcome of a bad situation
but I really, really hope this doesn’t get to that point
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Jake if Cornell beats Kentucky
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 22, 2010 9:10 AM PDT reply actions
ha
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 22, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions
does it involve us not being able to score against Phoenix?
I’ve read RCP stuff before, not that impressed.
quarter by quarter breakdown of the plays we ran vs. the Wiz… who got the ball where, that sort of thing
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
if KP is fired, we should all hope for Warkentien. He is a big believer in big men, and has seen Nene come back from injuries.
i like to call Mariners manager Don Wakamatsu fozzie.
cause of wakka wakka wakka
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
The CTC has decided that it will not riot if Mr. Warkentien is the general manager; however, if Mr. Miller takes control of basketball operations, we would like dibs on the front row of the mob.
by Cablinasian on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a pitchfork you can borrow
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the tech tough
that comes with flame throwers.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Mar 22, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
i don't know about anyone else but
i’m rooting for all those teams you listed JK just because of the JDers…
i think i’m rooting for Cornell as much as i am for the Buckeyes…well, not as much but passionately
fiftytwo
I cannot root for UW… otherwise yes… sorry Cab
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I would rather I root against UO at all costs and you the same for UW. I hate pansies making rivalries unfun.
well said…but i have nothing against them…other than they got me where i need to be in the brackets and now they have to lose
fiftytwo
they wear purple… men don’t wear purple
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
are you saying Prince is not a man?
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
he is the exception that proves the rule
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
however, he’s gone… and you still wear purple and gold
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx9rBOlubPQ
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
your wide receiver got run down by a frat kid
FAIL
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
he got booted off the team BEFORE that happened
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha
i didn’t even go to UO. but i was under the impression that was the most painful moment for uw in the UO-uw rivalry
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
i was thinking of the UO-uw rivalry specifically, not uw football in general
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
gotta love that Oregon math. I’m a college freshman, so yeah.
He brought up a clip from what, 94? So my response was perfectly legitimat.
by Cablinasian on Mar 22, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
1992+18=2010 that’s my math… you could be and 18, or newly 19 year old freshman
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
that would mean I’m turning 18 in 2010, or at the end of my freshman year. Very rare, only for wackos like Mortimer.
by Cablinasian on Mar 22, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought you were smarter than most people Cabbie
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
should have known better since you went to UW
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
this is key.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
i turned 19 the summer after my freshman year.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s why i was 21 when i graduated…..i turned 22 a month later
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I would have turned 19 ...
….the summer after my freshman year
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 22, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
If I had went college
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Man
The media wants KP to leave.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
i knew all along he was just trying to reverse jinxing them. Jake’s dedication is so great that he will sacrifice his bracket to see his school win.
he couldn’t fool me with all that “Temple is great. Wisconsin is great. Cornell doesn’t have a shot” talk.
well done, Jake. truly a reverse jinx for the ages.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
That truely is selfless of Jake
he even started with the whole “Woe is Cornell, with their tough bracket” talk just minutes after they won their conference tournament.
Plans within plans…
no conference tourney in the Ivy League
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
Just the Ivy. Pac-10 was the only other for a while.
The snobbish Ivy presidents like to be special and different, though there is something to be said for sending your regular season champ as a 1 bid league— better chance you are sending your best team.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
Well, if you are at or near the top of the league, yes. In a year like this with 1 very good team and two good Ivy teams (Harvard and Princeton), all the other schools knew they were basically eliminated as soon as they took their 3rd loss in the “14 game tournament.”
Its got its plusses and minuses. Having a conf. tourney would help the Columbias and Dartmouths recruit I think.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
lol.
Cornell increased its alltime win total against ranked teams from 3 to 5 this weekend, by 13 and 18 points. You cannot make this stuff up.
Wisconsin beat Duke and Ohio State this year.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
the power of your reverse jinx is amazing.
if the Blazers make it out of round two, i will make you a card with a sexy photo of me as a thank you. you’ve been reverse jinxing the Blazers all year……
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
who has twitter?
is this true:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/3/22/1384871/wojnarowski-pritchard-considered#33028976
Canzano just tweeted:
Lots of rumblings regarding Kevin Pritchards future w the Blazers today. He’s expected to make an announcement in the next 24 hours or so.“I want to be traded to a contender” is almost always code-speak for “I’m a loser.”
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amareby douglast on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the paper, so I don't care!
good lord
every got their torches and pitchforks ready?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
i really can’t imagine he’d say he’s gonna be leaving.
this will be an “everything is ok. i’m committed to the organization. we have great fans. we have great players. i love it here” type of speech.
then the season will end and we’ll all fasten our seatbelts to see if he bails before the draft
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, same here. i think you got it right on the nose, Timmay.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s gonna be, “we have philosophical differences and i plan to step down as GM at the end of the season. the best for us to do is support the team through the playoff run and transition smoothly to Larry Miller. please see my resume at theladders.com if you are interested.”
fiftytwo
stop!
your bringing the cloud closer!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Which BEdgers are these?
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
I am not allowed to say
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 22, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
i watched I.B. again saturday night. it was way better than the first time i watched it and i loved it the first time.
you in town for break?
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
wanna go to the game thursday? i got an extra ticket. yours if you want it.
also, The Prophet is playing in Portland now so i’ll finally get to see it this coming weekend. i can’t wait.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
let me know if you can make it. preferably before Thursday in case i need to find someone else. thanks.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
sounds like a hot date…instead of going to the game, i heard “A Single Man” is playing at the Fox Tower downtown
fiftytwo
pfff…..i wouldn’t take cloudy to that movie.
i’d take him to see Remember Me and just wait for the water works to start flowing.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
i was fairly appalled when i read about that movie. i think Timmay posted the article about that or something. i can’t remember who. but that is horrible on many levels.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It was me
I shook my head and posted it here.
The movie is doing very badly in the box office. It’ll probably end up profitable after DVD release, but barely.
i’d imagine even without that ending it would still be a pretty poor movie. i know i’ll likely never ever see it.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Correct me, but didn't Roy eventually get pretty much the full max deal? How is that a better negotiation by Miller than what KP could have offered?
That’s one part of the Woj article that makes no sense. I mainly see it as one more article that confirms there is something going on (too many hits, too much smoke), without really revealing what that is.
yeah that was weird
Some say the strategy was to give Brandon a hard time in order to put on a show for LaMarcus, but didn’t LaMarcus already say he wasn’t expecting the max anyway?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
And they overpaid for LaMarcus. If that was all Miller, I don’t even want to know. He has his hands full with other projects, and those aren’t all running smoothly (not even mentioning Comcast). No way he could be more than an interim GM.
Thanks EK
that’s about the clearest summary of the whole thing I’ve read in the whole year this has been on the table.
A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
i wonder how adversely this will affect MB?
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
this one made me laugh, mainly because of the overreaction on the title
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505423751140690.html#printMode
that has no author—i’m guessing they wouldn’t want to face any kind of backlash. The bill might not be the best, but it’s pretty good considering all that is going on right now. personally, i’d accept assault charges for a chance to punch a few politicians in the face.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
i figure as much; i just don’t like it.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
i understand, but this had to happen. this is a good thing.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me—I was recently posited the following question:
Are we a society that assists one another?
I’ve thought about this for awhile, and I’m not sure I have a good answer for it. I do think the question helps raise others though.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
not willingly……it seems.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends on who you ask.
Many people in this society do not feel that assisting one another at a public level makes sense. That it fails to encourage the type of independence that many feel paramount to the principles of the puritan work ethic .
#10 & #52
While I respect their accomplishments, I never was a big fan of the puritans.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
they were intolerant suns of guns….
but by george they sure did work hard.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
And many argue that it is that level of industriousness.
That is necessary for a successful capitalist nation.
#10 & #52
i thought it was about how to get others to do lots of work for you so you can rake in the dough?
puritans were all about subsistance if i remember correctly….
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't ruin the ideal
It might make people believe that we can’t persist as a capitalist nation.
#10 & #52
do people still believe in the American Dream?
do Horatio Alger books still sell?
i thought about trying the American Dream but i didn’t want to end up dead in the fountain of my foyer.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
non-political is the way to go.
sometimes it’s just too obvious a quagmire. i see no need to get bogged down in it.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes being non-political.
Is just an easy way to pretend that individuals are not responsible for the actions of society.
#10 & #52
not dead….just not here right now
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
if they see fit…..
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
now you’re just being silly
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
individuals are responsible for their own actions. in political terms, i believe politicians do what they want irregardless of public opinion whenever possible.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
The public empowers politicians.
And make up society. So while we can only be responsible for our own actions, our own actions make up the collective behavior. And our representatives are the first part of all that.
#10 & #52
i think i disagree with you about the public empowering politicians.
as for the collective behavior, yes, i suppose so.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The politician's greatest trick.
Was to make us believe that we weren’t in control of what was going on.
#10 & #52
hahahahahahaha
you fished me in reel good
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s spring break so there are no teachers or students. it’s gonna be real quiet all week. so i’m with ya, this is better than real work.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m waiting for my boss to leave before commencing.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Lean the way you want.
Just look at the world through this lense while you’re doing it.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
capitalism — one of america’s founding principles — isn’t conducive to having a society that assists one another
You’re outnumbered friend.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
No one agrees with him.
But he is right about the principles of capitalism. In that model, the invisible hand works because everyone is self-interested.
#10 & #52
I agree with him
This is a pretty emotional and contentious issue for everybody.
I think that it is always a better idea to just do what one can to support their beliefs in the political sense, rather than engaging in circular debates over a matter of opinion.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
Most people think this.
This nation was actually founded on the different belief that you need to find a way to compromise on matters of opinion. Which is why they didn’t just do a majority vote to decide which type of government to create.
#10 & #52
they just needed something to sound good so they could fight about it
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree, this line of thinking readily provides roadblocks along the path of discerning and dissecting the above question. But, I think you can be a good person in a capitalistic society with lots of money (bill gates and the gates foundation)
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
founding principle?
I must have missed that part of the constitution
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
America's modern economy is built more around corporatism.
Which is still pretty far from Smith’s view of capitalism.
#10 & #52
you'd have to make a pretty convincing argument that it was a founding principle though
As Adam Smith wrote the Wealth of Nations in 1776.
Either that, or you aren’t quite sure what “founding principle” entails.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
adam smith made apples, and hunted in the west, in a raccoon-skin hat
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought granny smith hunted apples? Or, she at least harvested them.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
did someone mention Adam West?
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
i don’t wanna be Robin. i’ll be Alfred.
cloudy can be Robin
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point.
But Smith was homies with BFrank. Plus his earlier book, detailing many of the same principles, came out in 1759. But how much economy is laid out in the Constitution ?
#10 & #52
Without actually doing any research I would say not much
otherwise why would the Bank of the United States have been argued about for so long?
yes, this is interesting. I’d need to reflect upon hamilton’s views around this time, and the federalist papers.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m gonna have to stretch myself out here, but I think most of it was predicated upon interstate commerce—namely the economics for bringing together states under one banner.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
and, of course, the ideas don't have to be laid out in a book
before they can be used. There were (pre)capitalist happenings by that time already. IIRC, there’s nothing specifically capitalist outlined in the constitution which was the main point I was making.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
i dont remember anything about ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ in the constitution either
like i said….that was just some stuff they made up to sound good so they could have a fight with the english dudes
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
our english dudes > their english dudes
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
i thought they were english americans?
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
How can they be Americans when America was just a colony?
Some of them were born here, some back there.
#10 & #52
once you set foot on a place someone else has lived for many years and say, “i’m gonna keep this for myself” you become american.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i went over to england for grad school and stood in the town center and yelled, “i’m taking this for myself. everyone get out of here!”
but they just kept walking and didn’t listen and now i’m back here.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i could never blame tories
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
BOOM!
Well, capitalism isn’t mentioned in either founding document. But that is in one of them.
#10 & #52
are we still talking about the founding of the justice league and batman’s involvement as understood from an adam west perspective?
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
did we discuss superman as a monopoly?
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we were about to.
While it does appear that he has an unfair advantage to the open market, it is unclear who his primary competition would be. Also, since the services he provides have a value to society that outweigh any possible profits, some of us think he should be Nationalized.
#10 & #52
captain america disagrees. i think we should corner the market on kyrptonite after we get the readings on the orange crop; also avoid eddie murphy—he’ll foil all of our plans for a measly dollar (communist, like omega red)
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
oooo can we?
that’s one trust that can’t be busted
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
show me capitalism in the constitution.
I see lots about we the people, not a whole lot about maximizing profits.
Free prezofdeath
i like it better when sick people can get better instead of dying.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re living in the wrong world.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
yeah i know. i’m a stranger in a strange land.
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by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
your not alone cloudy
i am not a fan of this bill either…
frankly this kind of nonsense is why i dropped from the party.
national health care good
current plan bad
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
cost aside… it’s really not a bad middle ground… and it’s definitely better than nothing
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
its not a great middle ground either
plus you, me and everyone knows that their proposed spending is woefully inaccurate on the low side
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
coverage wise I think it’s a solid middle ground reading through it… cost wise who knows what’ll end up happening
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It probably isn't going to do too much about the cost issue
but when about 50% of the nation are on at least one prescription drug (an old link but I doubt that the trend has changed), I have a tough time seeing how anything you do that doesn’t improve health enough to get people off of these long term prescriptions is going to lower the overall cost of health care in this country.
if the government negotiates the cost of the drugs (like they do in every other Western country), that will substantially reduce the cost.
sure, but most other insurance (home, auto, life) is used to limit your risk
in the unlikely event that something catastrophic happens (house burns down, car crash, death). Health insurance on the other hand seems to be used less and less for the unlikely things (broken bones for example) and more and more treating long term/chronic illnesses, which in turn drives up the overall cost.
Not talking about insurance though, right? If you reduce the price of drugs by using the leverage of 300 million potential users banding together, you can decrease the cost.
The reason for this:
bq. Health insurance on the other hand seems to be used less and less for the unlikely things (broken bones for example) and more and more treating long term/chronic illnesses, which in turn drives up the overall cost.
Is that by paying for the preventive care, the insurer decreases the number of times it has to pay out for catastrophic care.
preventative care is key here… reduce obesity, lower risk of heart disease, diabetes, many things which cost a lot to treat
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but spending was already going to increase so much that it would pretty much wreck our economy by 2025 or so. So if you’re of the impression that we’re screwed either way, we may as well be screwed where people up to 400% of the poverty line can get a little cash to buy insurance, and we may as well get rid of recission while we’re going down the toilet, right?
I’m on board with the bill despite the concerns of cost. I think helping people in need at the cost of the greater good is the essence of a good government.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
indeed….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
yep… besides, we can always tax BRP more to cover the increasing cost
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
just thinking of it as saving people’s lives….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
i think government needs to get the hell outta my life
but thats just me. :)
also no taxes..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
too cold
i dont want a federal tax for that matter
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
you shouldn’t have a voice in this since you live in cali…
with any bill, they should remove the high and low. so cali and wyoming should get removed as part of the discussions
fiftytwo
i should have more of a say
i know the pain overspending
we are so in debt we are going to start borrowing from other states
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
dr roybot, it’ll be okay; you’ll still have a job
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
even Communists like us get sick occasionally
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
it can be done
you just need an MTV show
then you can turn it into a career in fashion even if you have no fashion sense
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm imagining the look on GOR's face
when he gets his first road pavement bill, and telephone pole bill, and library bill, and freeway repair bill, all sent by private, for-profit companies. Taxes will seem like a gift.
LIbertarians FTW!
Free prezofdeath
These guys clearly haven't heard of the bill in Nebraska's state legislature banning whale fishing within their borders.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
you know what i saw on the little ticker thing on CNN yesterday at my grandparent’s?
a province in Argentina passed a bill (or maybe even a law) for chemical castration for rapists….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
i must be getting in to a creative “zone”
real work commences in a few hours after my boss leaves early for the day
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out if I care about all this Blazer management drama
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I care if KP goes
thats about it
larry miller can walk for all i care
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Vulcan I think
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 22, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
me too
KP has done some great stuff for the Blazers.
It’s also rather sad there’s always so much drama. We can’t just do things like a normal franchise. Or maybe it’s just a long term goal to make Portland an NBA pariah. It seems like they’re making sure to alienate everyone (management, players, fans).
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
If they ever gave him his own signature shoe and called it the Air Cookie, I'd by ten pairs.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
make it a gel that looks like Oreo Cream Filling
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Heheh
The real way to solve the healthcare problem.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
I knew it before I clicked
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Seriously, I need an edit button here, SB Nation.
My typos are bringing down my work productivity.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Ha, I think they discussed having that on DailyKos (where this interface sort of originated), but the concern is that people would comment, then edit their comments to make repliers look off base.
lol, yeah. That site had some real troll problems, something I don’t see around here. I could totally see someone on DK saying a bunch of incendiary stuff, getting replied to in a like manner, then changing their incendiary comments to look reasonable, thus getting the replier banned. I don’t think that would happen here.
We have moderators, which is nice. They have community rating, which is democratic but exceedingly messy.
I think it’s useful in a political site because if someone gets banned, it’s a community decision. The members can’t complain about the management taking sides on a particular point of view or faction.
you would have to be a pretty dedicated troll to get the ability to troll-rate folks. And even then, ratings abuse gets you booted pretty quick.
other problem is that people can just keep coming back, right? Until their ratings go south again?
by Cablinasian on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
well, they have mods too. To get totally banned, it has to come from up top, I think. Like this
The community rating is largely to hide stupid and trollish comments which clutter up the threads.
I think that system would make it rough around here to criticize the Blazers.
Though not nearly as rough as it is for those working for the team who criticize the Blazers.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Odds KP announce his resignation this afternoon?
i put it at 70% …the only reason he doesn’t want to leave is for the players. but at the end of the day, he has to follow Rasheed’s advice. CTC baby. Therein lies the problem.
fiftytwo
i say 5%.
he won’t resign during a playoff push. unless he’s really really bitter and says, “screw these guys….players and all.” he doesn’t seem like a guy that could divorce himself emotionally from the players that easily. and his resignation would for sure have an impact on the players.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
good point. i hadn’t considered that….
so i’ll say 10%
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
if he does resign, i hope he doesn’t do it with cookie cutter statements and cliches. just lay it all out there.
and if he does stay, i hope he answers what timeline he’s looking at for himself and the decisions for the team.
neither will happen but it be nice to hear something straight forward
fiftytwo
A little bit of "here's what's happened" would be very nice
Even if it’s only from one perspective. At this point, I’d like to hear a different perspective than the current unnamed sources.
Especially Clownzano's sources
And by sources I mean voices in his head.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
do you really think nothing is going on here?
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
I think something is going on here
But I tend to think its not as bad as we all think.
Look if we had imploded after the injuries I would have expected this but we didn’t.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
2%
I just don’t see this happening
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
An open letter
Dear NBA,
Can we not have long breaks in the middle of the season other than the all-star break? Bad things tend to happen during them.
Sincerely,
Blazer fans
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
idle time is the Devils plaything
and Vulcan is the Devil
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
KP and Larry Miller
addressing the media this afternoon according to Ben’s latest tweet
i hope KP gives only 5 minutes to the media and it must be aired at 4:30pm
fiftytwo
or Larry Miller announces a contract extension for KP. that be awesome…and ends it with a F you to A woj
fiftytwo
are you saying he’s revealing the secrets behind the Blazers disappearing center trick?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish… Spinal Tap keeps getting new drummers
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Samhan is our 2nd rounder… and I bet we go pass first PG in round 1 if we keep our picks
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
yep, but I think we get one of them
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
so, you're saying the 2nd best point guard in the draft will be available when the Blazers pick!?
that’s great news!
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
we can even trade down to get him
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see why Kalin Lucas would be better than Bayless. He shot worse from college three than JBay did, and had less assists. He’s also pretty short.
who said he had to be better than Bayless? we just need a pass first guard in case someone gets hurt
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
point taken. that’d arguably be the spot we’re most vulnerable to injury, although given the incumbent injury is unlikely.
He’s Due… unless he keeps sucking the life force from everybody else
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather get Ekpe Udoh in round 1
and focus on getting a PF thru a trade
maybe trade for OJ Mayo
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
My hope is that this is a Tom Penn/organization is united debrief
please, please, please
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Larry Miller is stepping Down and KP is taking over his duties as well
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve done some research and come to this:
You get the following quote, by which I here enact:
“Whose driving this flying umbrella?”
also, this is the greatest cartoon.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Some team's ups, out number the downs.
But not in Blazerland.
Also, I never knew how Balou ended up out of the jungle and in Nottingham as little John.
#10 & #52
have you not seen this movie? It is the greatest. More grearter, than that one you like.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s versatile. in later life he became a pilot of a cargo plane
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
oh eee oh
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
A comment on a truehoop article about the West playoff race
“Just do everyone a favor and knock the Blazers out of contention. Most irritating fans in the league and toughest low seed in the hunt right now… destroy them.”
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Teams I am fans of are like that (Oregon too)
I apologize for none of my fanbase’s behavior, making noise=what you should be doing at home.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I thought the noise at home games was supposed to be made by the music
and the announcer
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Have you heard Dallas home games on the radio?
Their PA announcer is THE WORST! The entire defensive possession he chants “defense”, in a low voice, and he gets louder as the shot clock goes down. Then on offense he chants, “let’s go Mavs!” and he gets louder as the shot clock goes down. It is really tiresome.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
The Hawks guy is worse
When an opposing player commits an offensive foul he says, “That foul is OFFENSIVEEEEE!”
Also, they have no fans, Dallas does.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
the detroit guys schtick
was played after about 2 games
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
someone needs to seize that guys season tickets
and put warnings with his face on them around the arena to keep him out
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I can’t stand Free Throw Guy
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
hes not clever
hes not funny, and hes a tool
also his ploys dont work
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
None of it works
If you’re that good an athlete, a few fans using thunder-sticks won’t distract you. It creates the illusion that the fans impact the game.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I don't mind him
He’s a personal who is obviously needy and wants folks to notice him.
Doesn’t matter personally, just stop showing him and he’ll go away.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
he was doing that long before they started showing him on tv.
i don’t know where the t-shirt came from though. that was a bad idea
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop enabling him
I want to know where he has gotten all the $ he apparently has to afford those seats. Those are quite expensive.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
i heard he made a lot of money selling instructional videos to college kids on how to distract opposing team’s free throw shooters.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing pops is a rich, professionally successful business person
who neglected his family climbing the corporate ladder. Now he feels guilty and just sates the tool
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He also appears to sit alone
What, no “Freethrow Girl?”
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
he is an odd duck
my buddy used to live with him.. then dude was too weird so he had to move
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope to one day sit by him at a game… just so i can sucker punch him as he’s going through his gyrations… that’ll distract the shooter I bet
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to hit him where it won’t show up on camera if you know what I mean… I’d rather not get immediately kicked out of the game
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly… hopefully when security does come to haul me away, it’ll be during another set of free throws
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
happy birthday
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun fact, Cornell brings a former Kentucky starter (a total of 29 starts on a mediocre Kentucky team but still) off its bench.
defending Psycho T
shooting over Marcus Morris
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
basketball prospectus on Cornell’s ridiculous offense
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
Depends on if Cousins decideds to care enough to show up
Seriously.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
So you're saying they'll make the title game then?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Who does?
A guy that big and athletic who can put the ball on the court. If he can make the 3, he’s basically unstoppable.
Wesley Johnson’s biggest obstacle is Wesley Johnson.
#10 & #52
Kentucky is in a world of hurt.
A lot of people are talking about Wittman, Foote and Dale, but they don’t realize what kind of nightmare matchups Chris Wroblewski and Jon Jaques are for Eric Bledsoe and Patrick Patterson. That’s where Kentucky is really in trouble.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
I’m trying to think of a way to respond to this.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
all Cornell has to do is start calling plays using calculus proofs and team AAU is toast
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Louis Dale should ask Wall a deep philosophy question as they line up for the tip
Get his mind elsewhere.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
i wonder if it would work for Cornell to just have a debate wherein they outline why Kentucky should just cut to the chase and forfeit the game now rather than wait until the NCAA makes them.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahahaha
If you really think about it, Cornell has already made the elite 8. If history is any indication, all of Kentucky’s wins this season will be vacated.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
i think they just have to take it down. that’s what is so dumb about those NCAA sanctions: they have no practical impact.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t like where you’re headed with this, Jake. you need to revert to your previous strategy…..
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The team which can complete a Rubik's cube faster
Should be awarded ten extra points.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
any Ivy League team that gets this far should get a 30 point head start
its only fair. That’s really Cornell’s only hope.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
this is much better.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Oregon State's ridiuclous starting schedule this fall is official
Also includes at Boise State and home to Louisville I think:
OSU v. TCU in Cowboys Stadium on Sept. 4, 445 pm kick on ESPN
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Following Riley's tradition, that's an 0-3 start
But seriously, at least Oregon had two games at home, one of which was against a bottom rung Big 10 ten team last year (Purdue).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Not the way Riley starts the year
OSU will never be an elite program til they can actually get off to a good start.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
louisville is a bad football team. the point isn’t to go undefeated here (this team isn’t going to contend for a nat’l title..), it’s to get katz some pt against elite teams before the pac-10 season starts.
More generally though
The point remains that if OSU actually wants to WIN a conference title at some point.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Need to start better
Get some national press or something.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Because they always drop at least one early conference game too
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
No but it has to do with national perception
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Winning the Rose Bowl helps...
But if you go 10-3, win out in conference and then win the bowl, that’s probably good enough to get ranked maybe in the top ten at the end of the year.
Non-Conference games aren’t the most important thing, but they matter.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
especially considering that Katz hasn't started a game
and hasn’t had too much playing time up to now
This could be the mother of all internet meltdowns
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
pj carlesimo just said he is not in the running for the Ducks job.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
My take on health care
Please note: This is long-winded and possibly nonsensical to anyone with leftist sensibilities. Do try to be open minded.
I strongly disagree with the health care legislation. I do not necessarily disagree with socialized healthcare as a whole, inasmuch as it works in, say, Sweden and Britain (which, contrary to most right wingers, it pretty much does). The issue here is that the USA has ten times (at least) the population of those countries and thus, a much larger bill to foot. Also, those countries have been ruled by a monarchy and/or parliamentary system and are accustomed to tyranny. We are not. We are accustomed to having the freedom to do what we wish without the government telling us we must do or buy something and then taxing us oppressively to pay for it without asking us if we’d like it or not.
Someone posted above (and rightly so) that politicians will do what is in their best interest. Well, this bill is not in anyone in the Congress’ best interest, as they will all be cast out of their offices in very short order. It is plain to see, given poll numbers as of late, that most if not all liberal or progressive congressmen and congresswomen will be voted out at the next available election. If the Democrats could not win Massachusetts before health care was voted upon, they will win nowhere at all now that it has actually passed. It is, for all intents and purposes, torch and pitchfork time.
So why would they commit what is seemingly political suicide for such a flawed and ridiculous bill as this? We must acknowledge the true Progressive agenda, which is to overload the system from within, by putting so many people on the government roll that we simply cannot pay for them all. We have already seen this with Social Security, inasmuch as we are paying out more in benefits than we are taking in in revenue. This will bring about “social justice”, code word for Communism.
We see that Communism does not work. North Korea and Cuba are two of the most miserable countries on earth, and China while it is economically sound has terrible environmental and human rights issues. What they do have in common, however, is their officlal atheist stance, that there is no God but the State. This is the ultimate goal of progressivism.
Joseph Stalin said that the easiest way to make a country socialist was to give it a socialized medical system. That was okay before, because people who were REALLY sick could always come to America and see real doctors, as most heads of state of those aforementioned socialist countries do (which is to say, every other country besides this one for now). Now, we all have nowhere to go.
To those who say that health care is a right and not a privilege, you should understand what the Founders meant by “unalienable right”. It is not something granted to us by the Constitution or by Congress. The Bill of Rights do not begin with, “Congress grants the People the right to…” rather, they begin with “Congress shall make no law…” You see, inalienable rights are granted to us by God, not by man. God gave us the right to speech, expression, defense of ourselves and our property, etc. He did not give us the inalienable right to health care. He gave us a body, but we are required to use our ingenuity and resources to maintain it.
If, however, like Progressives you do not believe in God, this will be inconsequential to you.
If we were financially solvent, the plan might work as outlined, but as we are already trillions in debt to the Federal Reserve, as well as to China and Japan, we cannot possibly foot the bill without ruining our credit rating and risking complete and utter financial collapse. If that happens, the aforementioned Eastern powers, as our creditors, will henceforth own all the assets to which they are entitled, namely, our entire country.
Therefore we must conclude that this socialized American medical system is a Marxist plot of nefarious character, and is the result of a plan so important as to risk the future and political power of all progressives- for once it has been done, it will be difficult to be undone, and if it is done it will require no further Progressive intervention to continue its poisonous influence on our society. Its purpose is to destroy religion and freedom and bankrupt our country. With the USA out of the way, no longer the eternal bastion of freedom, there is nothing left to prevent a one-world government and economy- which of course is the end goal of all this.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
This should have been a fanpost.
Somewhere at least. I can’t read comments that are longer than a page, my brain doesn’t last that long before I am looking out the window or chasing after a rumpled up bag.
#10 & #52
well, this isn't a politics blog
I didn’t think it would be appropriate as its own thread. We were already talking politics in here.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I was just kidding.
It’s a good comment. I do disagree with it largely, but it’s a good comment. Just long. And, as I said, I have a hard time with my attention span around here.
#10 & #52
haha
Take your Ritalin.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t want to get into communism or throw gasoline into this jd, so let me say this free of all considerations:
If you are at all displeased w/ the political system (regardless of ideologies) you should see yesterday’s vote as a good thing—this was contrary to sticking to the status quo. These politicians may have taken the less popular road. Doing the right thing, which i believe this is in the step towards, is often not the popular thing. Acting instead of political posturing, is the right thing. and if it costs them all their gigs in DC, we are all for the better still.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially so then.
if it costs them all their gigs in DC, we are all for the better still.
#10 & #52
completely agree
It will get them all axed, which is great. Like I said, it’s torch and pitchfork time. My problem is that once a new tax gets put in place, it is almost never repealed.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
1. nothing about this is socialized
2. why can’t progressives believe in God?
3. this is probably a deeper conversation than you want to get into today
4. I trust you have read summaries of the bill?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
6. your thirst for numbering things bores me.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
G. sometimes I use letters
XIV. or Roman Numerals
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Not yet, but the government will eventually regulate every health insurance company out of business and be the only provider around.
2. Because the main tenet of progressivism is “There is no God but the State.”
3. Nope. I’m prepared.
4. I sure have. It all sounds quite flowery and sunny, but the ramifications are dire.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Why would they regulate for-profit insurance companies?
Do they regulate UPS or Fedex because of their US Post Office?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
you cannot push socialism with the mail
You can with health care.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
What about fire protection
or roads, or the military, or telecom, utilities (heavily regulated), or education?
You can push socialism through anything. It just isn’t happening here either. And heaven forbid, that we have a democratically (small d) elected government passing this. As a fan of democracy (and I assume you are based on your previous posts) you should be happy about this. Democracy in action. It’s not like we have a fraudulently elected president or a legislative branch ramming this through.
Welcome to the world of progressives, era 2000 to 2008.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right about all those things
Education has in fact been used to push socialism more than anything else. Just go to any publicly funded university for a couple days.
You can also use utilities. I’m sure some of you have noticed the new “Smart Meters” installed on your homes. They work on RF and can be adjusted and read remotely. They will be able to control how much electricity and fuel you use. That is inherently tyrannical and socialist.
I am happy that they finally voted on it and stopped dragging their heels and whining. Now the People know who to vote out of office. There’s democracy in action, and a Republic working at its best.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
there is no correlation between the use of a wireless meter reader and the valves controlling how much fuel you use
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
1. doubtful as the political state of our country changes with the wind every 2 years
2. by that measure, conservatives do not believe in God because their main tenet is “the Market is God”
3. fair enough, I’ll be back in a while… everyone is warned
4. what is in the bill that has dire ramifications specifically
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
1. The political winds change, but human nature and the thirst for power and control does not. This is an open door to anyone in charge who wants to control what we do and how we live.
2. I am conservative and I do not believe the Market is God. The Market cannot solve everyone’s problems and should not. I believe the Market is good because it promotes free choice and competition, which allows for ambition and self-betterment. This is the very basis of freedom. The Statists promote dependence on government, which discourages freedom and encourages oppression. A free market encourages charity and prosperity, two very Godly ideals, but nobody supposes the Market is God, as if it were a tangible thing like the State.
3. Bring it on, I love this.
4. It will inevitably lead to more borrowing and less ability to pay back the money, which will lead to financial ruin. The Eastern countries will have to bail us out and will then own us. If we cannot even pay for Social Security, we cannot pay for this. We are using Japan and China’s money and have been for 40 years.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
1. did you say this when the Patriot act was passed?
2. I’m progressive and believe there is a God
3. I’m back
4. that’s not a specific
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Yes.
2. Good for you. Those who birthed and planned the Progressive movement did not, but they have little control over you.
3. Welcome.
4. The myriad government mandates on insurance mean that the government will eventually have to provide all insurance. If you think we borrow a lot of money now, it will get much worse.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
1. well as long as your consistent
2. the Roosevelt’s, one of the founding progressive movement families were deeply religious
2. thanks
4. government mandates seatbelts… do they provide them?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
i get it! you're a parody!
using progressive and communist interchangeably. you got me good!
Free prezofdeath
Nobody ever questioned that the US has top-notch medicine at the top of the pyramid. Similar to the academic system. The problem is the broad basis. And there, I’m sorry, but that was a massive FAILURE until then. It’s pretty much the only civilized country in the world that didn’t have universal healthcare, and where the first question of many doctors was “how do you pay” and not “what is your problem”. I’ve seen many medical systems and I doubt this one is perfect because it has been narrowed down to some weird compromise, but it is a huge step forward. Most countries have flawed healthcare systems, but when in need you get treated at a price that doesn’t ruin your financial future.
it certainly is not perfect
But the point of this bill was not to fix it. We could have fixed the problems without a massive government takeover of the system. That takeover was the entire point of the bill.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Both
Insurance companies are not blameless. They ought to have different practices. I don’t necessarily disagree with some individual things in the bill such as you can’t drop people when they get sick and you can’t turn people with pre-existing conditions away, but a government takeover is not the answer. Interstate purchasing of insurance and tort reform will solve most of these issues. If insurances were forced to truly compete, they would offer a superior product. The market can actually fix this if the regulations were adjusted. The bill should have done that, as the Republicans proposed. But those proposals were rejected, as they undermined the purpose of the bill itself.
Also, these companies employ an awful lot of people who will shortly be out of work. That can’t be good.
Competition would drive down prices so that more people can afford good coverage, and a society that did not force government dependency on the poor would lead to more prosperity in our society, and people would be able to afford whatever they need medically.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
regulation does not = takeover… this is where your argument loses steam… many things are regulated by the Gov’t without being run by the gov’t.
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The Insurance situation has gotten worse, not better in this country until this bill (with regards to coverage, exclusions etc.) it is fairly obvious that unregulated, for profit companies will try to maximize profit, not patients
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Initially, regulation will not = takeover
But I have read the specifics and it will eventually regulate them out of business, as the government insurance will not have to make a profit. The private companies will not be able to compete.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
there is no Gov’t insurance in the bill that was passed… nothing beyond the small expansion of medicare coverage to close a gap in uninsured. There is a mandate for everyone to have basic PRIVATE insurance… not gov’t provided
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
There is the Health Insurance Exchange
I believe that qualifies.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
without the public option in the Bill… and it’s not there, I’ve checked multiple times… the exchange amounts to a way to comparison shop plans… sort of like interstate purchasing, which you are in favor of
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
that is bad enough
If it resembles what they have in Massachusetts, it will bankrupt us faster than I suspectex.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
how does allowing people to compare private insurance costs = bankrupting the nation?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ask the treasurer of Massachusetts how that's working out for him
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
that’s not an answer… we’re talking about transparency in insurance coverage, the only cost to the nation is maintaining the data
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
uh yeah, this isn't a political blog
I think you’ve been listening to a little too much Glenn Beck. This is heavy on buzzwords, ad hominem and rhetoric while very light on information.
To be perfectly honest, this is just inflammatory nonsense used to rile up people who feel neglected or disenfranchised by the current state of affairs; it bears little resemblance to reality. This is not to say that it lacks all merit. There are plenty of valid concerns, but they’re buried beneath an avalanche of propaganda.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
if I may link to the Daily Show
Jon Stewart summed this up nicely
“As a progressive, I might say I think it’s a good idea for an agency to monitor pollution; but I guess what I really mean is it’s in the state’s interest that we be allowed to put a chip in your head that tells you when you can masturbate.”
Jon Stewart
the video:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-18-2010/conservative-libertarian
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Funny you should say that
When I first watched his show, I thought perhaps he’d been listening to too much of me. Call me a loon or a conspiracy theorist if you like, I just am deeply concerned about the preservation of our freedom and the continued solvency of our country. I feel this bill will destroy that entirely.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I hate the Patriot Act too
Don’t get me wrong, I was against that. I just thought it was funny because all these Obama lovers thought he’d pull our troops out of Iraq and repeal the Patriot Act, when in fact he has continued Bush’s policies in nearly everything.
I feel the Patriot Act is a blatant violation of our freedom and I also suspect 9/11 was a smokescreen used to enact it and bring about an eventual police state.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Yes, it is.
Anyone who really thinks you can vote for one of the two alternatives (it’s not technically a choice when you have only a single degree of freedom) and get real change deluded themselves.
Okay, so I’ll bite. Who did you vote for 2008?
#10 & #52
I'm kind of ashamed of this
I voted for McCain. Not because I liked him, but because I liked Sarah Palin and I didn’t wish to waste my vote on a candidate I knew wouldn’t win, like Ron Paul (who I WILL be voting for next time) or Bob Barr.
However, as I am in Oregon, my vote was wasted anyway.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I know how that goes.
I’ve been where you are at. I seriously considered placing a vote for GW back in 2000 but knew it wouldn’t matter, as I was in California, and my vote wouldn’t count anyway. But I was a pretty unhappy camper with the libs then as I am now.
I can accept the desire to hold freedom as a prime objective. But a society bereft of social justice at the expense of personal liberty is just as lost as one lacking personal liberty in the search for equality.
#10 & #52
I understand that
But the government cannot simply GIVE money and services to poor people. That encourages them to be solely dependent on government, and makes the government their master.
Now, private citizens can, it’s called charity. That’s the sort of “social justice” we need, and only prosperity can encourage that.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Private citizens make up the government.
I always said this exact same line that you are saying! It’s funny. I can see the faces of my liberal family back then squirming and contorting with confusion at me.
You speak of an ideal that I share in a world that would see untold suffering occur before this happened. And I am no longer okay with allowing the poor people who will not learn to be selected out of society. If I was playing SimWorld, I am with you 100% You describe the world I also want to live in. I just feel it would be socially irresponsible to not accept a transition plan to get there.
#10 & #52
Private citizens used to make up the government
Now lawyers and charlatans make up the government. There is no concept of “public service”, there’s only serving a party agenda. So we have to start by restoring morality, to ensure that we are able to elect men of character and integrity to office. However, the French Revolution has conclusively shown us that when a society kicks God out of itself, morality and decency go right out the window. That is what we have done and that is why we are where we are.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
also, Godlessness is a hard claim to prove… there are examples of immorality everywhere, including within the church… did we kick God out of the church? or are there simply some bad apples within every framework… there are very few absolutes in the world. A society wholly rejecting God is not among them
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that is a bit of a different argument
But I’d say an awful lot of churches have kicked God out, in exchange for being “non-denominational” and “non-threatening”. There aren’t many churches that are really doing God’s work, but that is an entirely different thread. And I think if you’ll research the French revolution, they did kick out God to the utmost of their ability. They even changed the seven day week to a ten day week so nobody would know when Sunday was.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
it didn’t stick… ergo God was not gone
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
no, it didn't
But it was there for a while, and that period was one of the most violent and heinous times in world history.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
but their inability to completely remove God from their society has to mean something right… I mean they really tried to give him the boot… but it didn’t take
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it says a lot about human nature
People know that they are supposed to worship something, whatever that might be.
Also I think even if you kick God out, He won’t stop trying to come back in.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
so to say that we’ve removed God, as a society, seems to be an over reach of your argument then, since as we’ve noted… it’s impossible to do so
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's never a good tactic to bring up historical examples of atrocity
committed in the name of _______
Because every side has committed their own atrocities, humans are terrible that way.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
are you saying the crusades were a bad idea?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed they are
But lawyers have all gone to colleges, which are almost universally controlled by socialist forces. They don’t study Blackstone anymore, they study case law.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
what?
Blackstone was a judge. He made case law. He also wrote treatises. Which were summaries of and commentaries on case law. Blackstone is case law.
Blackstone was a judge
But I am talking about his writings, that lawyers used to study. His legal philosophy, the stuff about Natural Law, about morality, about God and what is right. Anyone can make case law and interpret it how they want (see: Earl Warren).
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
but now you’re talking about two totally different things. Constitutional law is only tangentially related to common law. Studying Blackstone or natural law or whatever is of marginal import in constitutional law (Earl Warren’s domain).
It’s also of diminishing import in common law (basically state law) because the legislatures are in the process of codifying everything. Should the judges be disregarding the statutes? Should we be teaching lawyers not to learn how to expound statutes from case law? And what relevance does Blackstone have in interpreting say a murder statute which is based on the Model Penal Code which was written in the 1960s?
I'd like a citation for that claim about colleges
I, actually, went to a (relatively speaking) conservative college. The split between liberals and conservatives was roughly 55-45 where, IIRC, the split for most colleges is closer to 70-30.
Just because colleges and universities skew toward liberalism doesn’t mean they are controlled by socialist forces. I don’t even know what that means.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I assume then that you did not go to College?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I went to a seminary
Got an AA in Christian Ministry. I assume that qualifies, but not as a socialist entity, luckily enough.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
just so I'm following
so public education = bad… private education = good?
no snark intended
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
not necessarily
I think my private education was good, but I went to a public institution as well, and I found it hopelessly liberal and hostile to my ideals.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
did you go to UO? that’s just about as liberal and hostile to conservative thought as it comes
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
ha
nope, went to Clackamas Community and that was bad enough. I can only imagine the cesspit that UO would have been for me.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
here’s the thing with this kind of generality… you have a Groucho Marx quote as your sig… Groucho was a womanizer and an Athiest, therefore you are promoting those views and furthering this countries removal from God…
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sure it’s not true, but it’s slippery slope thinking based on a loose correlation between various facts
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
just because he was an atheist
doesn’t mean he wasn’t funny. I am a Jon Stewart fan too, doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says. Would you rather I have a Glenn Beck quote in my sig?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
no, but that is the contention you are making with Public universities… just cause I went to one, doesn’t mean I agree with everything they taught
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand that
but competing or hostile ideals doesn’t automatically mean fundamentally incorrect or that it’s part of a conspiracy or that it’s a product of indoctrination.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
You just said it.
It has less to do with morality and more to do with the perceived separation of people and the government. The government should be comprised of people who serving the public.. not people who are trying to make their careers.
I don’t think the people are the problem. It’s where we’ve allowed the structure to take us. This system needs evolution. We shouldn’t be trying to conserve an old ideal that wouldn’t work now anyway, we should be trying to create what will work now.
#10 & #52
This is a common critique of secularism
Declining religiousness leads to increased crime. However, studies have shown an opposite correlation. Crime and specifically murder rates in relatively atheistic Scandinavian nations are lower than crime rates here in the United States and in other more religious nations.
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
It’s very likely the cause of this is some other 3rd variable (such as poverty).
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
i didnt completely agree with you
but i could see some of your points..
but…
the second you agree with crazy person Glenn Beck.. all is lost.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that
Glenn is pretty abrasive. But don’t judge me by him. I just love America. *tear
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
me too
i just hate tv glenn beck.. he is such a tool. in every sense of the word and is probably the most ridiculous broadcaster out there..
hes so full of secret agendas
dont worry youre a blazer fan therefore your cool with me!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand your concern
But, you’re attributing malice to progressives that doesn’t exist. Just because progressives/liberals have a different view on the role of gov’t doesn’t mean they hate freedom or want to destroy the United States. And just because liberals are in favor of universal health care doesn’t mean we want the gov’t to run our lives.
When you throw out accusations about conspiracies and plots to destroy the American way of live you undermine your goals. Intelligent discussion is always preferable to rhetoric. People will be more apt to listen to your concerns if you aren’t accusing them of being communists and freedom haters (etc, etc).
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
like I posted below
I don’t think most everyday folk hate freedom. I just think they’re doing what they learned in college. You don’t need to control all the people to get them to believe a certain way, you just need to control the schools and the media. Those are the Marxists and “freedom haters”. Most folks just want to take care of their families and have a good time.
But there are conspiracies and plots to destroy the American way of life. Most folks just aren’t aware of them, which is just as planned.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
It isn't static, necessarily
It’s an ideal. That ideal being to keep government out of the way of people and there industriousness. That ideal being to encourage the people to be expressive, ambitious, charitable, moral, and happy.
This bill (among others, such as the Patriot Act) encourage fear and dependence on government, discouraging charity and providing no incentive to be entrepeneurial or industrious.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
It is important to remember.
That the government was not supposed to be separate from the people. The government is supposed to be of people.
If someone hadn’t introduced the concept of corporations into the picture, the ideal is more believable. But there is no level playing field and there is no free market. That is a delusion. We do not live in a capitalist society anymore; we live in a corporatist society, which is entirely different.
I completely agree that we need to encourage those things and discourage dependence on the government. My first register to vote back in 1996 was for the libertarian party and I’ve yet to find a group I agree with more consistently. But the bridge from here to there is not straight, and nothing about the current system reflects a reality that encourages anything. All it does is leave a lot of people, some who don’t deserve it, without medical attention. And society still pays for them. We really get no advantage with the current system either.
I don’t like an overreaching government. I like order to emerge from the bottom-up, but my own beliefs in higher powers do not allow me to sit easy with letting real people suffer if it can be prevented.
#10 & #52
agreed on most part
But corporations are not all bad, they employ a lot of people and contribute to our prosperity. Where they go wrong is in their lobbying influence on public policy. Our economic system should be pro-business, but not any specific one and there shouldn’t be any favors.
Obama promised that he would not have any lobbyists in his administration, but he then hired a ton of them in his Cabinet and staff. So we can’t get away from them.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
It's like what you said earlier.
Nationalizing services does not necessarily start with control but it leads to it by its nature.
Corporations are actually evil and wrong and violate the very fundamentals of freedom by their very nature. Actual corps aren’t all bad and can do plenty of good in the world. But they should not be allowed to exist. No legal entity should be allowed to cross the lines of mortality. The ability they have to cross into public policy is just worse.
#10 & #52
Corporations all have their own agenda
Which is invariably to make money. Whether or not this violates the environment or the rights/will of the people, I believe depends on the individual corporation’s practices. I’d love to know your basis for believing they are inherently evil and wrong.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
human nature is inherently evil based upon what you have set forth… Corporations and Gov’t being run by people are therefore evil. The difference is that we have more say in who runs Gov’t than we do with Corporations
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
agree and disagree
I believe people are inherently evil and can only be restored to goodness via the influence of God through a relationship with Him.
However, I also believe that when people come together to create something, whether that be an organization, a work of art, or a corporation, that thing has the capacity to be used for the purposes of goodness. However, men (our Founders), while not being fully good in themselves, created our Constitution and our Republic, which is a good thing because it was based on Godly principles.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
we can disagree on a lot of things
We can still be friends! Give us a hug.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I feel that both democracy and free trade are hindered when you allow composites of individuals to form legal entities for the purposes of holding assets. An entity that only dies when it is dissolved. They even have some constitutional rights under the Fourteenth Amendment. I feel this is a violation of the founding principles of this country. Corporations should have have rights outside of the individuals who make them, and the individuals whose actions are questions should not have the protection of limited liability.
#10 & #52
corporation: noun
an ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
regarding conspiracy theories
this is a review of a book called Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History
“He points out that conspiracists tend to be on the “losing side” (politically, socially, or economically) of society, and that believing in conspiracies is therapeutic for them. They can explain why they are on the losing side (“we were robbed, deceived”) salve their hurt (“the people who deceived us are so powerful, so evil, it’s understandable that they appear to be the winners”) and then restore their egos (“we have seen the truth, we are so much cleverer than ordinary people who are happy to be sheep-like in their acceptance of things; we are illuminated, in the know, we are special”)"
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I could dispute that
But it would make me look like an even bigger conspiracy nut than I already do, so I’ll just say I find that laughably elitist and unimaginative.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I find that laughably elitist and unimaginative.
Nothing will get this whole thread deleted faster than making comments about another user rather than the point they’re making.
indeed
It was not my intent to come off as arrogant. I was providing a possible explanation for why conspiracy theories are so appealing. There is a lot of interesting psychology behind the “popularity” of conspiracy theories. Why are they so prevalent especially recently?
It’s interesting. Why do you [RDreamer] see the progressive movement (at least in its higher levels) as a conspiracy to do the world harm instead of just an ideology which currently has a great deal of appeal?
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Apologies
I didn’t mean he was elitist, I was talking about the guy who wrote that book about conspiracy theories. I saw him on the Colbert Report, so I’m familiar with him and his book.
I believe the progressive movement is harmful (although it isn’t a worldwide conspiracy, as the Progressives are inherent to America) because I believe morality and decency come from God, as do our inalienable rights. Progressivism leads to socialism leads to communism leads to Communism which is inherently atheist in nature. This will result in an immoral and tyrannically ruled society which, I believe, is a bad thing.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Slippery slope fallacy
as I pointed out with the Jon Stewart quote above. Progressives don’t want total gov’t control.
I have no issue with you believing that morality and rights come from God. I do have a problem with the assumption we cannot be moral without God. Once again, I point to relatively atheistic societies in Western Europe which have lower crime rates than more religious societies. Also, I point to theocratic states like Iran to demonstrate tyranny.
It is arrogant to assume your view has sole claim on ethics and morality and that without God people automatically revert to immorality and tyranny. However, I think arguing that point is moot because progressives don’t want socialism nor communism nor a society devoid of faith.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
atheist societies tend to have more oppressive regimes
and less ethnic diversity. I wonder how those factors contribute to their crime rates? Less hate crimes, more social equality, worse punishment for crimes I would suspect.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by that I mean pure communist ones
Like China, North Korea and Cuba. Eastern Europe has tended that way since the USSR was in power, but Orthodoxy and Catholicism still have a hold there.
I love the term “socialist democracy”. It’s sort of like “military intelligence”.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
as I said just below this
show me where atheism is the cause of oppression and I’ll concede the point. I can point to theocracy leading to oppression, but not atheism. It’s been an incidental property of some oppressive regimes, not the cause of the oppression.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I said a tendency, not a cause
If a society chooses to be communist, it will be both oppressive and atheistic.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
You should be careful to separate the two then
because it comes across as you saying there is causation.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
well it may be the other way around
if a society drifts away from God, they are more apt to embrace socialist ideas.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Shouldn't you look both ways?
Many of the theistic countries are oppressive regimes and not communist.
#10 & #52
are you trying to make me say bad things about Islam?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I wouldn't dream of it.
Although I haven’t gotten the chance to listen to the Mike Savage show in too long, so it might be interesting to see where you would go with it!
You are lucky there are no fundamentalist Christian countries in existence today to point as an example.
#10 & #52
Mike Savage is worse than Glenn Beck
I agree with his core principles, but my God he’s a mean old man.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
He makes me laugh though.
Beck and Rush and Hannity suck and they don’t make me laugh. But Savage makes me laugh. I get scared too, but he used to make me laugh a lot.
#10 & #52
I'd say there's a hidden variable here
causing both of these things (sometimes). I know quite a few atheist libertarians, for example
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
ummm… aren’t biblical principles largely socialist/communist in nature? I mean it’s been a while since I read it cover to cover, but I don’t remember Jesus discussing Market factors so much as helping the needy
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
sure but that's with people being charitable
not the government. There is a big difference between Acts-style communal living and Marxist Communism.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
in a republic, the government is representative of the people, therefore, as my representative, I would like it to be charitable
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the problem
If a government is to be charitable, it will have power over the people and cause them to be dependent. Government charity takes money from the people and gives it to other people without the people’s consent. Personal charity is an act of love done through one’s own volition.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
government charity is not in place to create dependence… though there will always be abuses of the system
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
but it has
Look at Welfare. There’s no incentive to get off it, in fact it creates a culture that idealizes “Welfare moms”, making it in intrinsic part of being poor, waiting for the government check.
If you don’t believe me, talk to any inner-city high school teacher.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
again, there will always be abuses to the system
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
there is a difference
between abuses in the system, and that system creating a culture of poverty, which is what has happened.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
show me statistics that the majority of people on welfare never get off of it
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said they don't get off it
I said there’s no incentive to do so. The government is saying they will take care of you. People make choices.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
there is personal incentive… sort of like personal charity
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
except that welfare benefits run out unless you requalify
usually another baby or a disability. And the benefits are less than “ends meet” in most places (depending on COL). So, there are 2 incentives. It’s going to end and it’s usually not even enough to live on.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Of course there is incentive to get off of it.
Living on welfare isn’t comfortable or enjoyable. Not being on a fixed income is a motivator for anyone who feels they have the opportunity find work. Now, the fact is that there are lots of lazy, goodfornaughts among us who don’t feel like feeling like finding those opportunities and they spoil it.
#10 & #52
the people who abuse the system get all the attention
the people who need the system (ex. the disabled) and the people who use it for a brief period to get back on their feet are overlooked in this dialog.
There will always be a certain number of freeriders, but we shouldn’t base our system on the people who get away with it.
For example, we live in a society where people are innocent until proven guilty. We’ve decided that the a few criminals being let off the hook is better than locking up an innocent person. In the same way, we have decided it is better to help the poor even if some of them abuse the system.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
by Magnum on Mar 22, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We ought to help the poor
But not like this. We should encourage economic growth by lowering taxes and decreasing oppressive regulation, creating jobs for as many people as we can. Help them help themselves, increase everyone’s prosperity.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
so all safety nets should be removed?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
in the 1920's
Unemployment was around 5%. Under FDR it was around 17%. You may say, well the Great Depression happened, well sure but that ended and the unemployment stayed that way until 1940.
We should scale back the safety nets and encourage prosperity so that we do not need them as much.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
HUH?
Are you suggesting the New Deal was the cause of the great depression?
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
not at all
I am saying it prolonged what could have been a regular depression into a Great one.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
it was a great depression long before FDR enacted the New Deal
and long before the New Deal (bad or good) had a chance to affect anything.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
so absent the New Deal, what would America have manufactered in the interim? WWII led to the auto industry and many other manufacturing things that were in place post war because the Gov’t paid for the modernization of factories… without Gov’t assistance, there are no funds to pay for those things
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
here's the thing
Two of the Progressive ideas under Woodrow Wilson were isolationism and prohibition. Both of these severely damaged our economy. Had we simply gone back to conservative values, we wouldn’t have had any depression at all.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
you mean prohibition the religious movement right?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
also… FDR is the one who ended it
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
the Temperance Movement was a factor
But while I admire their commitment to morality I feel they were misguided. The minute you begin to impede someone’s rights to do what they want, or to censor what you think is bad, you open yourself up to the same thing.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
that's an overly simplistic view of the causes of the Great Depression
stock market speculation, bank runs, over extension of credit, several years of lower agricultural output
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
My personal opinion
Is that it resulted from the creation of the Federal Reserve, as well as us going off the gold standard, as well as a number of other factors including the Dust Bowl and all that. Nevertheless, it lasted much longer than it ought, thanks to the New Deal.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
you do realize this opinion is based upon research done at UCLA… a public university
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
at least it's not USC
boooooo
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
the federal reserve which was created in 1913
and the gold standard which was probably part of the problem of the great depression thanks to the dollar having a fixed value which caused deflation.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
sure
But one of the limited powers of our government is to regulate monopolies, which they ought to have done.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
oh, so that power is ok… even though it infringes on the freedom of the individual to create a monopoly
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
because consolidating power is a fascist ideal and discourages competition. The Founders put it in there for a reason.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Exactly why corporations as they exist today are unconstitutional.
At least, before the Fourteenth Amendment it was. Can an Amendment be unconstitutional?
#10 & #52
that's a very good question!
One for the Supreme Court I think. Alas, I am not a member.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I know huh
Perhaps we should elect one to the Presidency and see who he nominates to the Court?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
no one likes constitutionalists.
Modern progressives feel they’re too conservative and modern conservatives feel they’re too antiquated.
#10 & #52
and yet...
Ron Paul won the straw poll at this year’s conservative convention. Imagine that!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
heh
There haven’t been any elections yet. It still may.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
no
people see Ron Paul much the same as they saw Ross Perot, even if Ron is the best guy for the job. Another example of the media controlling public opinion. Also, if Ron didn’t look so much like a Keebler Elf, it would be good for his public image.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
As a good
Christian would you promote a misogynistic, racist, homophobic as president?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/
There are other sources but this column is getting narrow.
#52
if so, we should talk about that whole womens suffrage thing…
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they would have done better.
Just assuming that it’s cool that they make “white landowning male” into “american citizen” and roll with it.
#10 & #52
the difference is limited government
Limited government intervention on social liberties, there to provide for the public defense and encourage economic growth. Nothing fascist about that.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
the problem is when regulations are loosened
corporations and the rich put the screws on the rest of us. Do insider trading, Enron, toxic mortgages and bailouts ring any bells? That’s the kind of nonsense that happens with decreased regulation. Companies cut corners to increase their profits and their stock price while pooping on the rest of us.
Lowering taxes on who? Trickle down economics doesn’t work.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
It is with consent
that’s why we vote.
The problem is personal charity isn’t and has never been enough. Too many people still go without.
I also disagree that government charity automatically makes a person dependent. Is it a possible consequence? Sure, but no more likely than a person becoming dependent on individual charity.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
ding ding ding
everyone wants an enabler. The government is the biggest one of all.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
did the people get to vote on Welfare?
No, we didn’t. It was FDR’s idea. Before that we had no government charity or dependency programs. It’s a progressive thing, designed to overload the system. The New Deal prolonged the Great Depression by several years and may have bankrupted us if not for WW2.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
exactly
somehow money going to the military is different from money going to the poor…..
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
wrong
the people were encouraged to be industrious. we manufactured things, started businesses, jump-started the economy. This stimulus is mostly wasteful, propping up banks that otherwise would have failed. Who’s being encouraged to make anything?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
we are no longer an industry based nation (also, automakers make stuff still)
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
what do you think they were manufacturing?
where do you think the money came from to build those things?
It’s not any different.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
no
I don’t like government having their hand in education at all. If the government pays for research, the implication is the government ought to like the results.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
are you seriously going to impugn entire scientific diciplines
there’s no implication. Paying for research implies no concern for “appropriate” results.
Why you may ask? Because science doesn’t work that way. You can’t fudge the numbers and still have it work. You can’t build a better mousetrap with numbers that have been manipulated to find a result desired by the gov’t.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I'm not saying that
I just don’t like scientists being beholden to the government. Science ought to be pure, without regard for who’s paying you or what your professors said.
See: Expelled, documentary from Ben Stein.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Ben Stein is a hack
who knows nothing about science.
Science is more pure than just about any other pursuit, although it’s certainly not immune to corruption. It doesn’t have a regard for who is paying. It only regards testability and results. No amount of grant money can fabricate results because science is based on repeating said results.
The idea that government grants are a corrupting influence on science is one based on a misunderstanding of how science works.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Science does work like that
but I think that there is a lot of stuff out there that claims to be science, but is pseudo-science at best.
what science is dominated by gov't grants
and gov’t demands to see specific results?
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
there isn't one that I know of
I simply object to scientists being beholden to the government for money. They are then subject to the whims of man, rather than the laws of nature.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
so who should pay for research? cause it won’t fund itself
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think colleges ought to be private
Especially research universities. Then they could pay for themselves. They certainly charge enough money for tuition.
Government grants aren’t necessarily an example of government controlling science, but rather of government controlling academia.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I don't think you understand how scientific grants work
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Well, the last NSF grant I was a part was brutal
We were beholded to creating publications.
#10 & #52
But then the people who attend and the alums control the science??
It’s still men, not the laws of nature.
#10 & #52
I am speaking more of things like
Frosted Mini Wheats saying things like eating it will improve your grades based on clinical studies, which gives the impression that it is brain food, when in reality the study was based on eating Frosted Mini Wheats versus not eating anything.
Expelled wasn't about science
It’s about how an atheist agenda corrupts the way science is taught and ruins people’s careers. It’s about academia.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Stein is a creationist with an agenda
he makes propaganda and clear eyes commercials
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
That may be so
but he isn’t the only person in that movie that has an agenda either. Richard Dawkins has an agenda, the various professors do as well. Everybody has an agenda. Only sometimes is that agenda the search for truth, and seemingly more often than not that agenda is the acquistion of eminence in the field.
let me put it this way
Stein making a video about the science, atheism and academia is like a Blazer fan making a video about the Fakers. It’s not going to be fair and balanced.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Stein made that to make money, not to prove anything
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
but we got to vote for FDR, and while the New deal may have prolonged the economic Malaise of the country, it helped a lot of peole not starve to death in the short term
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
On the other hand.
It would have been nice to have imagined something like welfare could have been scaled back over time. It was a great life saving measure whose success should be measured by the lack of its need.
#10 & #52
yeah, it was never intended for the long haul… sort of like social security
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
There’s no reason these things should still be in effect, but they are because they provide the government with money and power.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
not what I meant… they should still be there… they just were never intended to support an individual for an extended period of time
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
how long is too long?
no matter what, people will want it to stay going forever.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
what? I don’t understand, are you now arguing that they should last longer?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
no
I’m saying you have it or you don’t, you can’t just say “It lasts this long” like they do with unemployment because they’ll keep messing with it, making it last longer and longer like Obama has done this year.
Not that I necessarily disagree with unemployment benefits, as they constantly check to make sure you’re looking for work.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
but Social Security was originally set to enact much later in the average life span than it was now… and welfare does last “this long”
.
the lack of jobs is why unemployment keeps getting extended, not peoples reliance upon it
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
this is true to an extent
but Social Security was originally set to enact much later in the average life span than it was now… and welfare does last "this long"
but we are getting wealthier and wealthier, so there’s no reason part of that wealth shouldn’t translate to more leisure time (i.e. a longer retirement).
right, but the safety net should not provide the leisure time… savings should do that
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't know, it's subjective right?
If we all pool together and say we want to give 12% of our incomes to old people, because we make a value judgment that it’s more difficult for them to work at that age, and because we want that security when we’re old too, there’s no reason we can’t do that.
And the decision as to when you’re old enough to collect is one we can make as a democratic society too. Raising the retirement age isn’t popular—everybody likes giving their money to old people.
I suppose this is true in that the trust fund is projected to run out of money in about 30 years. But I would anticipate a solution being some combination of raising the eligibility age and increasing the cap on taxable earnings, not a fundamental change in the structure.
Yeah, it's interesing.
The idea that we are saving money for a rainy day via the government. It’s like income redistricting or something.
#10 & #52
Retirement age is a misnomer with social security… something political that was labeled long ago… theres nothing that says you can’t retire right now and live off your own savings
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
only the freeloaders want that
but we don’t make policy based on the people who abuse the system. We try to prevent abuse, but it’s better to put up with some abuse of the system if we can help people who need it.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I actually agree with both of you.
I don’t think any individual should have welfare as a long term thing and I don’t think the society was meant to continue using it.
There should have been a plan to shift the national need for welfare. Because welfare is a crutch that doesn’t help the people who get it for long term. All you have to do is know someone that “lives” off of welfare. It’s a ish life that a whole generation has grown up feeling that trying to milk that system was better than fighting their way through a job field that is not even close to fair and balance.
#10 & #52
I would like to state for the record
That this JD crashed here so I will make another one when I get around to it
by southern oregon on Mar 22, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
he’ll take is socialized medicine and like it if he knows what’s good for him
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I love both of those terms.
True marxist socialism would be atheistic in structure, I suppose. But I think it’s because these are societies that were created via military coup and are thus are essentially militaristic societies more than communist or atheist societies.
#10 & #52
well then they're not democratic at all
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Democratic People's Republic of North Korea
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I dunno
I went to their website but I can’t read anything on it.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
they don't even have the internet there
!
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Indeed, ethnic diversity is related to crime
I doubt they have worse punishments for crimes, unless you consider stoning women to death a light punishment.
And what’s your citation for “atheist societies tend to have more oppressive regimes?” If you’re tempted to cite Stalin, I preemptively counter with atheism wasn’t the cause of the oppression. You might as well link mustaches with oppression.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I'm not
Chairman Mao was utterly devoid of facial hair!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
touche
what about Pol Pot?
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
or Kim Jong Il
The only one with really impressive facial hair is Castro.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
this is good. keep it civil. dialogues are a good opportunity to come out w/ more perspectives.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
my perspective is that you are awesome friend
sincerely GOR
now gimme weird link!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t know how i feel about the edit job though. i might need to get the two imports if it’s a cool movie.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
i wanna see i wanna see
did you ever seen ong bak 2?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, liked it better than the first. And I think it sets a great stage for other movies.
I watched the 36th chamber of shaolin a few days ago. I’m really trying to get my hands on black dynamite though…
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
na it’ll come. i’ll practice patients, but thanks.
have you seen duel to the death? i had it, but have been so busy painting, i broke down and sent it back.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
this is where i stopped paying attention. well, this and calling all progressive atheists.
it is plain to see, given poll numbers as of late, that most if not all liberal or progressive congressmen and congresswomen will be voted out at the next available election.
Free prezofdeath
Well, you called that right...
Please note: This is long-winded and possibly nonsensical to anyone with leftist sensibilities.
We see that Communism does not work. North Korea and Cuba are two of the most miserable countries on earth, and China while it is economically sound has terrible environmental and human rights issues. What they do have in common, however, is their officlal atheist stance, that there is no God but the State. This is the ultimate goal of progressivism.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I guess some people DO take Glen Beck seriously!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I have my poltiical blog for politics
Don’t need it here.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
fivethirthyeight.com
dailykos.com
redstate.com
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
My point exactly
those places=politics
This place=everything else.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I don’t mind it really. I’m not participating in it today, but I’ve had some pretty extensive debates with timg, miledanimal and others.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
The health care debate in particular
Both sides are crazy. You’re either a socialist commie pinko or you’re an uneducated immoral jackass who doesn’t care about others.
Not something I need to spend time on.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I love this too
Most of the mindless drones supporting health care aren’t commie pinkos, they are just hardworking Americans who want free health care for them and their kids. And most right wingers who oppose it aren’t immoral rednecks, they’re just libertarians who long for the way the Founders wanted things to be. There’s no need for name calling, except for the godless Marxist heathens who are controlling this debate.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
that’s my favorite picture that gets posted in the JD
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
kinda….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
just would like to point out that you, personally, have brought more political talk to the JD than almost anyone. Not throwing stones, just saying that you enjoy talking as much as anyone.
by Cablinasian on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
I have completely avoided talking about health care for example.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Those excepted
But not since then. That was two months ago.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
good thing there is nothing good on ESPN360
otherwise the discussion would revolve around the 3 things that Timmay! hates most
it has been kind of a downer in here today. as some sort of attempt to bring a little levity, i offer this:
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You are a good man.
But couldn’t someone have made a football card into a Chuck Norris card? You know, where they have kickers?
#10 & #52
the K stands for strikeout. not matter, when Chuck is involved, you’re striking out.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
heehee…
i love the Chuck Norris facts….
my favorite: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a true story. One time Chuck Norris ate some baby turtles and when he took a dump they came out 19 years old and able to do karate.
i also like: Chuck Norris’ tears cure cancer. it’s too bad he never cries
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
“Brokeback Mountain” is not just a movie. It’s also what Chuck Norris calls the pile of dead ninjas in his front yard.
“Sweating bullets” is literally what happens when Chuck Norris gets too hot.
Chuck Norris doesn’t bowl strikes, he just knocks down one pin and the other nine faint.
The movie “Delta Force” was extremely hard to make because Chuck had to downplay his abilities. The first few cuts were completely unbelievable.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I <3 this.
Chuck Norris doesn’t actually write books, the words assemble themselves out of fear.
#10 & #52
just wait till you get to the end of page 2….there are 3 or 4 gems
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
When Chuck Norris plays Oregon Trail, his family does not die from cholera or dysentery, but rather, roundhouse kicks to the face.
He also requires no wagon, since he carries the oxen, axels, and buffalo meat on his back. He always makes it to Oregon before you.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t think so. but it should happen for sure.
i think EK is the most qualified for that undertaking….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone needs to cuss
Or bring up Oden/Durant
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
by tominhawaii on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
shut up, bitch
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
i’m sorry, Tom. i don’t know what possessed me….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
i think we’ve all said some things we’re gonna regret later.
especially you, idol, you big turd
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I never regret anything!
Except when I didn’t break my foot off on your ass, you butt muncher!
#10 & #52
now you’ve gone too far.
i think the villain in my screenplay will now be known as: Idol Turdloaf
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the first movie character based on me and my life.
The only things they changed were my name and making my beard into a ’fro.
#10 & #52
hahahaha
nice
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
At least it's not all based on what some of the worst sports writers in the world have made up
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
I would have voted for Durant
if that makes you feel any better.
JUST KIDDING.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
no, but we are growing weary… come entertain us with tails of your victories over the barbaric hoards
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I'm tired now
Been sitting here for two hours posting libertarian propaganda. My shoulders hurt.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
libertarians do not agree with mr beck
for the record. :) hehe
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s hard carrying the world all by yourself… eventually you must shrug
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
touche
For the record, I do not agree with Glenn Beck on everything. For instance, he does not believe that the government, filled with all these evil progressives he constantly talks about, could have possibly planned and executed 9/11 in order to set the stage for the Patriot Act. I yell at my TV, “If these people are so heinous, why can you not believe they’d so such a thing?” He constantly ridicules 9/11 truthers. Instead he believes it was planned and executed by Muslims who live in caves, as a response to our being Free And American and having set foot in Saudi Arabia.
However, I do not necessarily fault Beck for this, as he works for Rupert Murdoch, a high ranking Illuminati member who is influencing society as much as anyone. Glenn stirs the pot just like Olbermann does.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
you weren't kidding when you described yourself as a "conspiracy nut"
(his words, not mine, I swear).
I’m not touching this with a 10 foot poll.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
good
there might be some sort of disagreement.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
We can't have that
:)
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
I truly am a reasonable person!
I just happen to believe a lot of outlandish things. I don’t wear a tinfoil hat, though. They don’t work.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
You mean Pope Palpatine?
No, because he’s not the last one. Peter the Great is next, and he’s the one to watch out for.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I guess I am
But what are “those”?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
It wasn't very clear.
I once missed a bus and decided to walk the 7 or so miles to my house one summer. On the way I saw a Portland Tribune box and figured something to read would pass the time but what I found was this pamphlet that detailed out the secret conspiracies relating illuminati, Jesuits, and key identified presidents, vps, and other men of power who have been part of these vast conspiracies. I read this poorly printed crazy little book from front to back over the next couple of hours and was just amazed at how reasonable and logical their far-flung conjecture had taken them.
And I always wondered where these beliefs were emanating from.. who the “they” were. So I don’t know. Who are you? :)
#10 & #52
I'm just a Blazer fan
If I mention Alex Jones, I may be shunned from the collective…
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
we live in a prison planet
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I have rendered you speechless
I am proud of myself.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
it’s less lack of words, and more of a log jam in my mouth
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
this might be the best twss ever
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
well there's your problem
relax those shoulders!
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
Just so you know
No one was hurt and no one was fired before Andre Miller was on the team. Andre Miller is a Senbee.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
he is like a casino cooler
sent in by the bosses to end a winning streak.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
in the midst of all the joy, I should note at some point that its been a fairly tragic winter at Cornell.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/20/new.york.cornell.suicides/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Overall, Cornell’s suicide rate isn’t above average for a school its size. This year, for whatever reason, has been tragic.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
That bridge looks attractive to jump from. Not to play things down at that particular school, but depression rates are high at most colleges, and definitely not less at elite colleges with high pressure where students who performed great in high school are suddenly in the bottom tertiary.
Yeah, and it doesn’t help when the school is in the middle of nowhere and the winters are extremely cold, though there have been a couple suicides at Stanford since I’ve been here also.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
There was a rash at Stanford a couple years ago as well
I think Norsk hit a big issue, you put a bunch of high achievers in one spot and the pressure will be intense. Truly sad stuff
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i saw that….what’s the deal?
too much academic pressure? it seems sorta odd i guess….or maybe this sort of thing happens more than i would think.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on national averages, a school the size of Cornell is likely to average just under 2 a year. An intense school in the middle of nowhere might be expected to be a little worse, but historically Cornell has been in line with national averages. I have no idea what explains the 6 this year.
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
wow….so it does happen more than i would have thought. sad….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty sad.
But it reminds me. Does anyone have proof either way that being the roommate at a college where someone commits suicide will “earn” you an automatic A? I’ve heard this line so many times but it seems like a lie to me.
#10 & #52
I should have figured Snopes would have mentioned it.
It feels like a classic urban legend.
#10 & #52
did you hear about the rumor that Snopes makes up "urban legends" so that they have something to debunk?
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
The NCAA tournament this weekend in brief
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Depending on the news at 2pm,
if you’d like to share your thoughts with Vulcan, feel free to do so.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
open in new window FAIL
also the PTB part hasnt been updated since 2007.. shows how much they care
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Kentucky 2-1
Syracuse 7-2
Duke 6-1
West Virginia 6-1
Kansas State 8-1
Ohio State 8-1
Baylor 20-1
Michigan State 25-1
Tennessee 25-1
Washington 30-1
Butler 35-1
Xavier 35-1
Northern Iowa 40-1
Purdue 40-1
Saint Mary’s 40-1
Cornell 60-1
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
Duke at 6-1 is the best bet I think
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
i dont think they have the firepower to pull it off
i dont see any way they beat baylor
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
how about by being the better team?
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
i dont think they are better
just me though
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think people are doubting St. Mary's too quickly.
That, and I don’t really think all that highly of Baylor from what I’ve seen. They’ve had it pretty easy so far. Not to mention Duke is easily the weakest 1 seed left.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
st marys has only played short teams
baylor is pretty big and have actual star players
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Udoh is all that great.
Samhan has better moves inside and is almost as good defensively.
Baylor has big players, but only Udoh is a “star” player amongst their bigs. Their backcourt needs to play well to win.
Baylor hasn’t exactly played a murderer’s row of teams this tourney either.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
neither has St Marys
they have a great backcourt
and Udoh is much better than samhan.. You’ll see.
You watch any baylor games during the year?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Only one or two. About the same I've seen of St. Mary's.
So essentially, my sample size is pretty small. Based on what I’ve seen, St. Mary’s is anything but an easy out for Baylor, and I don’t see why St. Mary’s can’t beat them.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I dont see why you think St Marys has had a hard road but Baylor hasnt
they both played weak teams…
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone know a good anti-spyware download
that will scan my cpu and not make me pay money to remove the virus’s after it finds them? I have an evil, evil virus and I wanna kill it…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
we’ve been using malwarebytes at work. it doesn’t scan in the background but after you download it you can run the scan and it gets rid of stuff.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
For a free product, Microsoft Security Essentials works very well.
AVG is fine, but both it and Avast are apparently getting more unwieldy with every version. That’s of course a long-term problem, they should work ok to fix an immediate problem. Malwarebytes is indeed supposed to be good software as well.
Worth noting that no antivirus software is perfect. They all will miss stuff and see false positives. If you’re having serious problems after installing one and running it, try uninstalling it and trying another.
If you’re still having problems, you may need a product that boots outside of Windows. That gets fun from there.
i like microsoft essentials
its awesomeness..
AVG can suck it. I have it at work, it decides to turn off in standby on its own
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Vecsey's latest rumor is that Penn wanted to make something public about a misstep by Miller
The Darius medical retirement? Pretty sleazy either way.
Well, if only 30-50% of those stories are true, the picture of the happy workplace in harmony was pretty fake.
New Fanshot up
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/3/22/1385360/blazers-dancers-need-your-help
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
The Warriors are up for sale (finally), and the most likely buyer is Larry Ellison
Hey, if that doesn’t spring Cuban, Allen, Ballmer, Jobs into action nothing will ;)
That organization deserves to be flushed and replaced. Mhm, landing spot for you know who?
I suppose the other likely candidate is the former executive from Houston who has now failed to buy the Blazers, Sonics, and Bobcats but seems to have enough investors lined up.
I think the NBA would love to have local ownership of an existing team when possible
And of course, when the city is not balking at paying for a new stadium.
I was speaking of Seattle, sorry
Meaning local ownership is good unless a city is in Seattle’s position, which is why I expect Ellison to get the Warriors.
Great news
The Bay is a wonderful NBA market, they deserve a rich guy who wants to win
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to hate Miller more
I wish AK was back, he’s better at this than I am.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
OT
You were pretty much right about my wife’s eyes. Yesterday she woke up and said it was more painful than Saturday and today she’s at work and plans to work until 5.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
Thanks, I'll tell her
She said it was blurry yesterday. She even drove herself today, but she’s driven with eye problems way worse than what she just went through.
I’ll just be glad when it is all over. She always has strange eye trouble. We went white water rafting in southern Oregon and her sunglasses fell in the water and she sunburned her eyes. It was so bad, she pulled off to a river and was splashing river water into her eyes. I convinced her to let me drive and use bottled water instead.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
she get lasik?
also dude.. is this the worst year of idol ever or what
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
She got Lasek. Me too. Slightly different procedure that heals slower but is more stable if your cornea is thin.
awesomeness
i had it 3 years ago
best money i ever spent
you still got the halos around lights?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No, never really had. My left eye got worse again after like 3 years, but that’s partly because I also have a slight astigmatism and could have happened with glasses just as well. I’m at about -1 there, and I have glasses but very rarely use them unless I’m very tired from working in front of a screen and then have to look in the distance. When I’m out in the nature where the eye changes from near to far constantly I have no problems at all. Maybe I’ll need another surgery one day, but it was worth it.
I got it on the day the last golf war started. I remember protesters on the market square outside my eye clinic making noise while I was waiting ;)
because nike and callaway were fighting?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Most country artists quietly use it too, but just to smooth out the rough edges.
Happily, some pop and rock artists use it for similar purposes. That’s at least bearable.
just fall back on classic rock.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
ooo baby….
i love your way
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
95.5 is saying the Juwan Howard show will be on from 2 to 2:30
so I am not sure if they are covering Pritchard and Miller live.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Wow.
Well, maybe because it’s not an official press conference.
Harder to go live when it’s an impromptu media meeting.
Juwan Howard is more powerful than Larry Miller and KP combined.
Therefore, his show will not be bumped.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Juwan's thought process when he sees an opponent going at the rim:
“There is no way I can athletically do what I used to be able to, so I’ll just club him.”
I get the paper, so I don't care!
Ben says there is no live adio… cause it’s an"informal presser"
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben is full of Lies on Bedge… truth on twitter
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
via Ben
“Losing Tom is not an easy thing” kp
“There’s been some articles that say we’re not connected… That is not correct.” kp
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
more
Will you be fired or resign? “I don’t know that.” KP
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If he was here, he wouldn't be chatting much
He’s not big on politics or college basketball.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
I'm in the same boat
Thank god Seth mentioned Miller on the front page.
All the KP stuff is lame too.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
The Warriors are going to waive Raja Bell.
It will never happen, but he would look great on the Blazers.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
He's not as fancy, but I like him better than Rudy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
for the second time right?
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It's strange that Bell doesn't get talked about more.
He’s always available and fits next to Roy better than most current Blazers.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
someone should tweet that kp is leaving the blazers to go fight in afghanistan; rumors are delicious
I never did create the breaking-news twitter account
I would have guessed that this was just a “we’re fine” conference, and it I was right, boom credibility!
Ben tweets
Interesting timing. RT @RocketsJCF: Congrats to Sam Hinkie, promoted today to Rockets Executive VP of Basketball Ops. 9 minutes ago via UberTwitter
For those asking, Jay Allen of 95.5FM says no live audio from this “informal” presser but will have clips on air ASAP 2 minutes ago via UberTwitter
They won't be at their normal designated press conference location
It’ll probably just be them taking questions at the practice facility.
how many birds would it take to lift a whale?
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
probably, like, a zillion.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
i read about it on wired about a year ago. i can’t really recall now though… :(
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
tracking users data, selling said data to companies for analysis as I recall
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Going public or getting bought by Yahoo/Microsoft/Google for more than a billion ;)
Nah, it’s going in the direction of selling verified accounts, allowing some ads (like in the clients), releasing an official Twitter client, and ultimately selling the real-time search info to companies (for ads or self-use). It’s not as promising as the brand and client base itself.
Wow 95.5, for a local sports station you sure have your finger on the pulse of the market, lol
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
I thought they were saying last night's game was the Juwan Howard show
Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984
That's like fatty with good grammar and spelling ;)
Paul Allen should not listen to fans. He made that mistake when he promoted KP. Fans don’t know [zip]. Paul Allen should run his company like a business. The Blazers need a GM that can produce results. Fanboys that get upset will be back and more fans will come with success.
“I want to be here… Warren (LeGarie) has his own opinions.” KP less than 20 seconds ago via UberTwitter
My guess
KP knows it’s over. LeGarie plays the heavy with the public, KP gets to look like he’s just doing his job. The agent would not say anything KP hadn’t blessed, imo
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
Per the tweets, sounds like KP is prepping for a soft exit…seems like he saying its up to Paul/Vulcan
fiftytwo
Yeah, Miller was very much about stressing the importance of the playoffs in his TrueHoop interview. Victory heals many wounds.
If they exit in the first round, I expect wholesale changes. They won’t fire KP, but allow him to “step down”.
A healthy Oden cures all ills as well…
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, when was the last time KP wasn’t that confident in his statements?
“I want to be here” sounds like someone who is a lame duck…
i mean, that’s a lot to conclude from one sentence but…
fiftytwo
I'm with you - this is not good
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
there seems to be absolutely nothing decisive or unified. Why the heck would you distance yourself from your agent without firing him?
it’s the whole good cop / bad cop scenario … he’s making his agent fall on the sword so that it eases his perception to other employer
fiftytwo
or, he’s going to fire his agent and stay with us FOREVER, even if I have to keep him bound in the trunk of my car
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, you let your agent play the hard line. but this:
I want to be here… Warren (LeGarie) has his own opinions.
is different. He’s trying to show that he disagrees with his agent about decisions relating to his career. He’s giving his agent agency, so to speak. Agents don’t make decisions, they act on your behalf.
yeah it’s a more absurd line but these guys always discuss with their client before they open their mouth…so imo it’s good cop / bad cop strategy from KP and Warren
fiftytwo
what did tom do?
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
tom fail
how can you not knock on Dre when you had the chance on radio?!?!?!?
tom = world’s worst Dre antagonist
fiftytwo
I thought you were cleverly digging at Miller with your question. Juwan said something about it all being about the team, that you never care if you’re starting or not… I thought you were steering him there to diss on Andre.
I didn’t think you were going to follow up with Juwan. I expected you to post the quote about caring for the team in th eJD.
Soooooooo KP is pretty much done
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions
yikes
Larry Miller totting the line for Vulcan:
“He’s done a great job of getting the franchise where it is” but evaluation will come “at the end of the season”
fiftytwo
I think I'll be adding "Fire Larry Miller" to my sig real soon
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
like any executive, they think they can do a better job and overcome anything…any GM will take aim of this roster and money filled franchise
fiftytwo
LOL!
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds fair.
He’s done well in the draft and not much else.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
the Steve, Martell, and Travis signings were all fair. Juwan signing was good for the money.
Buford, Presti, Morey, they’ve all made mistake.
Sure.
But if KP’s strength lies in the draft then maybe he’s not the best person to finish the job.
I think he’s done a really phenomenal job building the team. That doesn’t mean the organization is wrong to let him go. He’s certainly rubbed other general managers the wrong way. Perhaps he’s already something of a lame duck around the league. Who knows.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
But how in the world do we know if KP can take the team to the next level?
I would say, all things being equal, stability in upper management is critical to a sustained, long term plan and long term success. For that reason, you should keep KP unless an obviously superior alternative is available. And I can’t think of anyone who is an obviously superior alternative anyway.
Exactly. How would we know if KP can take the team to the next level?
Paul Allen would probably have a better idea.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
i’ve been saying this for months:
gene hackman.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I already suggested Bill Simmons
he’s wanted to be a GM for a while now.
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
i hear mike dunleavy can be both coach and gm.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He's like Nate
Neither one can manage championship level talent. They are only good at building teams.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
Uh, they brought in Andre Miller, which means both of them are terrible at building teams.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We can all agree that he was the last choice
“If you asked owners in the league who they’d rather have right now, LaFrentz or Stoudemire, I think more than half of them would prefer LaFrentz,” one executive told me. “That’s how screwed up this thing has been. I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for Stoudemire.”
The Blazers got Andre Miller out of LaFrentz’s contract. I have no problem with KP being fired for that alone.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
That's pretty bad.
I like Miller more than RJ, Turk, or Carter, but it seems like they could have done better.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
i love how PA gets us always to the brink
then ruins it all
again and again
.. this has happened before and it will happen again..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the idea that KP is only riding on Nate's coattails
That’s like saying “Apple would have no iPhone if not for Foxconn”, or “man Obama can be happy he has Biden”, or “Bill Gates only benefitted from Paul Allen”.
Hey looks like Chris Johnson is a ducks fan
Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM PDT reply actions
My favorite KP quote.
“Shame on us if we agree all the time”
That’s just fantastic. Is it true?
#10 & #52
If KP gets fired then Nate gets fired, right?
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
According to Woj at least. But since he costs much more, maybe it’s time to hire our own Vinny Del Coacho at a bargain deal.
McMillan is a dutiful pro, never interested in intramural politics or fighting battles behind the scenes. He has been around the league a long time, and privately never believed that Pritchard’s DNA showed staying power.
"Kevin was in a constant battle to position himself to get credit away from Nate for whatever success they were eventually going to have there," one NBA executive friendly with both said. "Nate knows enough not to flap his gums and pound his chest – especially when your team hasn’t even won a playoff series yet. He’s secure in himself, in a way that Pritchard never knew how to be.
"If Kevin just kept his mouth shut, cut out all the arrogance and insecurity, I think he probably would’ve had his extension a long time ago."
Crazy.
So Nate gets another year then? One more healthy (hopefully) season?
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 22, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly
but you’d have to believe that bringing in a new GM (and cleaning house, whatever that entails) would mean giving the new guy a certain amount of power to put in his basketball system and his people, which might extend down to the coach.
i wasn’t listening. what did you ask?
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If Andre Miller is the lamest point guard Howard has ever played with
He didn’t answer
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
seriously? i kinda don’t believe that.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
I just axed him how hard is it to go from a starter to role player and why couldn’t Iverson do it. He only answered the first question.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
haha. that’s a really good question. what was his answer?
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty standard.
good question though. i wish i coulda heard you on there
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice
KP and Nate bring up Utah for having the same GM and coach for 20 years. I’d rather be in the lottery than 20 years of not winning a championship.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
me too
I would take 1 title and 19 lottery seasons over the last 20 years for either Portland or Utah.
i don’t care about championships. I just want a team i can support and not feel ashamed of having put my time/money into… winning and losing are just part of the process for me.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i fall more in this line as well.
although, a ring would be nice. just to feel that moment and experience.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
if i knew today that next year was going to be as frustrating as this year, i’d still watch, cheer, and curse the skies.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i probably would too. with no small amount of disappointment. if there isn’t a title coming with most of the current players we have no, there isn’t one coming for quite a while.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
i’m gonna have something to e-mail you later today also….
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
well, not too fancy. haha but yeah
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
radical. i need to do some writing but have been too busy painting…
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
this is coming along with surprising ease. it feels good to get something down again.
keep painting. you got that show to do and all
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This is all I hear now.
We sitting here. I’m supposed to be the franchise GM. And we in here talking about my job. Not the team. Not the team. Not the team. We talkin’ about my job. Not the team. Not the team. Not the team.
#10 & #52
it’s the bald, green scientist!
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha yeah, that’s the one!
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben isn’t pictured
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
"We communicate"
What a great quote about his relationship with Allen
And somehow KP can’t explain why his agent is all over the press.
For those who attended the Blazers v Wizards game last week...
did you see the camera man show a fan holding up the sign, “In KP We Trust?”
well, i bet that camera man will get booted at the end of the year too…that’s how Vulcan rolls
fiftytwo
you are the bringer of doom and gloom aren’t you
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
we should make shirts that say this w/ kp’s face and pass them out.
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it’d be funny to make one that says “KP doesn’t fear the Vulcan death grip”
by EvilKaramazov on Mar 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
i would purchase that shirt for $10
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
unless KP is gone before it is made.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
haha…yeah…kinda.
it just isn’t as funny if he’s already been fired by Vulcan
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].
by DrivetheLane on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
We should write a +/- analysis of Vulcan's holdings
If it comes out negative, maybe PA should fire someone above KP ;)
I bet you if you ask Donnie Nelson if he's still GM of the Mavs next year, he would say "absolutely". And if you ask Cuban, he would also say "absolutely"
Until the minute he fires him. Those guys are not good at having KP’s back.
Kind of like how he's "monitoring" the TV situation
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Mar 22, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
KC just axed one question about other teams causing a conspiracy and LM said, “prolly”.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
Larry, you are doing a great impression of this
Are you a seasoned executive with some decision authority, or not? Right now, I would say: Not
Yeah, he needs to be fired
How hard is it to lie and say that KP is your GM? He just made things worse.
Andre Miller is an Anachronism
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
"this is my assumption after following Nate into the bathroom stall" - Quick
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we get confirmation as to whether or not Nate finished?
#10, #52
by The Arkitect on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
How to Win Over Fans and Influence People
by Portland Management
"In fact you might say that Ugly is the Blazers' secret weapon this year."
-Dave
how to respect your agent
by Kevin Pritchard
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 22, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
All of this political debate is getting me all riled up
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
Norsktroll's book club recommends these books to KP before scheduling a meeting with PA
by Norsktroll on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
this is a large junk. can't believe there's only 11 games left!
loveisrespect
by portlandgiirl91 on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions
yes! excited to play the lakers!
loveisrespect
by portlandgiirl91 on Mar 22, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
like the little signs?
loveisrespect
by portlandgiirl91 on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking everyyone has a sign.
That when they are all held up together, they spell out. BEAT LA.
There could be one on each side and on each level of seats. It would be epic.
#10 & #52
hmmmmm. to me, that'd be quiet difficult esp with many drinking alcohol lol
loveisrespect
by portlandgiirl91 on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions