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Is Nic Batum a geometry major?


Some passes are a test of charactor and they lead to questions like:  Does the ball handler hit the open man?  Do passes only find members of a player's own particular, "club?"  In Basketball, a game played within the realm of individual interests and extreme personalities, these types of questions are certainly not trifling.  We can all hope that our beloved Blazers are at least willing to play the right way and live up to this minimum level of efficiency.  

Friday night against Washington, I think we witnessed an example of a, "higher level of passing ability,"  from one Blazer, on one particular play.  If you were watching carefully, you saw something unusual from Nic Batum, an up and coming master of basketball calculation! 

Star-divide

Early in the game Andre repeatedly advanced the ball up the sidelines to Nic.  As the rest of the team would follow him up the floor Nic would make the right play time and time again, and the Blazers offense appeared to be clicking.  Nic was making Andre look good and visa versa. It was during those early sequences that something unusual happened which made me stand up, give out a yell, and clap my hands at my television set.  I just had to be excited for Nic--even if my television is not yet equipped with two way communication. I knew he would hear fans congratulate him many times in the years to come for plays like this one--but I had to let out a yell and get in on the ground floor regarding this aspect of Nic's game.

The ball was advanced to Nic along the right sideline at about the 3/4 court mark.  LMA was in the middle of the court on the dead run, at about half court.  Nic, who had received the pass out wide (probably 15 feet off to the side of LMA), sized up the situation and made a beautiful bounce pass, (probably 20 feet out in front of Lamarcus) that came up perfectly into his hands.  That pass, from that angle, was nothing short of a stroke of genius. 

Was I really surprised, no, because I have seen Nic do things like this on a smaller scale before.  Was I in awe, yes, because I know how difficult that pass really was and I know that, because Nic possesses that kind of innate ability, we are just seeing the beginning of a prodigy's basketball IQ playing itself out on the basketball court.

Witnessing a player play the, "right way," is always enjoyable; seeing a player with a gift do his thing, is, at times magical.  Friday night, in an otherwise forgettable game, we may have witnessed something, "amazing," that goes beyond any NBA marketing campaign. 

With that in mind, I simply had to write this post just in case some may have missed the fact that Nic is working on his masters in geometry, or is it calculus?

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I noticed that play - was fantastic

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by Honka Playboy on Mar 21, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Those who want Durrant over Oden forget that Batum will make a better small forward

for us than Durrant ever would. Defense is what wins championships. Batum’s skill level is such that I feel he could over the course of his play in the NBA he will become one of the best small forwards we might ever see. People have compaired him to Pippen but I think he will be better. I know there are 2 body types the long thin, Batum type, and the James/Anthony type, and it’s hard to compare each other. I know LBJ, will always be in a different class of player. But the long thin type, let bet on Batum for our future.

by prof.mike on Mar 21, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

nope

But I still might talk myself into that.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Mar 21, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Having made similar statements

Wait for the flood of opposition to see this. I however agree with you that Batum is good enough I don’t regret not having Durant. Again there will be a flood of opposition to that but honestly the Blazers are not built to have multiple players averaging above 20. We are better off (from a championship standpoint IMO) having a solid defense and all our main rotation guys able to drop 10-20 with regularity, then having a scoring crazy back court from 2 guys.

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 21, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Batum but

Batum: might become one of the best small forwards we’ve ever seen.

Durant: IS the one the best small forwards we’ve ever seen

There is a huge difference.

Free Mike Rice!

by In Walks Rudy on Mar 21, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get what you are saying, but

I think one of the major points that Batum backers are making is that although Durant is quickly becoming a great scorer, Nic is more of an all around player who just might blend in better with the players Portland already has now. Nic is pretty much good at everything: shooting, passing, rebounding, defense, and team play.

We’ll never really know how Durant would have done as a Blazer, but one thing we can say for sure is that we have two pretty talented players (Nic and Greg) who should play major roles for the Blazers in the coming years, in large part, because we do not have Durant.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

we have two pretty talented players (Nic and Greg) who should play major roles for the Blazers in the coming years, in large part, because we do not have Durant.

the defense of Batum+Oden >>> the offense of Durant, especially in the post season

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by two4larue on Mar 21, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oden? Who's that?

Is he the guy doing the Portland commercials?

by Marvin100 on Mar 21, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here you go

Oden

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 21, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he gets "only" as good as Pippen

we are going to win a ton of games. He’s ahead of Pippen at this age for sure, but still not nearly as nasty of an on-the ball defender. He’s right there with help D though, which is just silly at this age.

by Sound_Automatic on Mar 21, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

re: Pippen

When Pippen came into the league, he was thicker and stronger, a better athlete, than Nic is at this stage. Because of this, Scotty was a more effective one on one player, a more physical defender, and a better rebounder.

Nic has him in the skills and intelligence departments. He is a much better shooter, a better pure passer, and a more team oriented player. It will be interesting to see how Nic developes, but one thing I can say for sure, “Nic should get the opportunity to make plays,” because he is most likely going to be better in the passing department than Scotty ever was.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know if him being a better passer is a slam dunk

Scotty put out 7 assists a game as a 26 year-old. Of course that’s on a faster pace team and with more minutes, but I think he was a pretty fine passer. Especially post feeding, where only dre on our current squad is close. Scotty was very thin coming into to league too, but had to bulk up a little to guard MJ every day in practice. Guarding Roy in practice daily should keep Batum in the weight room for a while …

by Sound_Automatic on Mar 21, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a good point, but

having watched Scottie’s whole career, I am fairly comfortable saying that in the geometry department Nic has him hands down. The example I mention is far from the only time I have observed this trait in Nic. Advanced mathematics were never something that stood out in Scottie’s game. He was extremely athletic individually—BBIQ, not so much (a little longer, better ball handling, Jerome Kersey?).

As far as Scotties assist totals go, we have to remember roles, pace, coaches, and having Air Jordan for a team mate. It is kind of like playing for D’Antoni or Nelson—all stats are not equal.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

passing to Jordan

is good for anyone’s assist total…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Only"

if he gets half as good as Pippen, he’ll be a perennial all-star.

And actually, I don’t think Nic’s that good a passer. Sure he had a good one the other day, but he’s missed more than he’s seen. Scotty Pippen was chosen as one of the NBA’s all-time top 50. He may not quite have deserved that, but to even be in that conversation is remarkable. Deciding Nic’s fate will be similar is like deciding the my friend’s six-month-old baby girl will be Richard Feynman because she seems pretty smart.

by Marvin100 on Mar 21, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is hard to take a comment like this seriously, but I'll try.... : ( (I must obey site rules)
I don’t think Nic’s that good a passer.

It’s not the quantity at this point, it is the quality. Right now Nic is not getting that many opportunities, but I believe more opportunities are going to come his way.

Nic has shown the ability to make a variety of passes: lobs, bounces, fast break, and ball rotations. His ability to shoot, his speed, and his leaping ability also create openings for his passes as they do for almost all of the great passers. It is difficult to be a great passer without these attributes, and when you add Nic’s unselfishness and BBIQ (geometry) to the mix, it is not stretching things too for to say that Nic could become a great passer.

Certainly, there are no guarantees, but isn’t that why we watch? To see how often we are correct? Or, in this case, to see that you are incorrect? ; >)

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, I agree: Like most NBA players, Nic has the tools to be a good passer. But predicting he'll be one is like predicting Jared Dudley will be.
isn’t that why we watch? To see how often we are correct?

Not at all. I watch because basketball is a beautiful sport, featuring rare specimens of human physical achievement in an improvisatory setting that pushes them to their limits in all directions at once.

And to root for my team.

And to root against the teams I hate (LA, Utard, Boston, Chicago).

by Marvin100 on Mar 21, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see you do not care about being correct. (at least according to what you have asked us to believe about your basketball interests) < : )
But predicting he’ll be one is like predicting Jared Dudley will be.

Are you saying there is no such thing as logical prediction based on solid data? From your reasons as to why you watch the game, you seem to be interested only in living in the moment???

Are you saying there is no past (data), there is no future (we can know little to nothing of it), and that the here and now is the only time of significance? If so I can hardly believe it! If so, we had better fire KP, because most of his job involves predicting the future (and I am pretty sure he cares about being correct). In my opinion, evaluating beauty without context is almost an ipossibility.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

ohh, what a pretty butterfly

“squish”

stuck on my windshield

(well, he won’t have the guts to do that again)

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by two4larue on Mar 21, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Important questions must always be answered when appraising any given situation.

Did the butterfly run into the car?
Or, did the car run into the butterfly?

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

for the car, it doesn't matter

for the butterfly, you hope the car was parked and the bug wasn’t on a kamikaze mission

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by two4larue on Mar 22, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know i experienced at least one kamikaze mission the other day!

I had just washed my car and was driving in downtown Portland. As I looked out the window to my left, I saw that I was in fact a victim of a bird (I hope further description will not be necessary for proof.). I thought to myself, “Did that bird know that I just washed my car?” I concluded that it must have, and even if it did not display the full spirit of a kamikaze, it had at least as much of an effect on my window as a butterfly would have.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 22, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

a close encounter

of the turd kind

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by two4larue on Mar 23, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

evaluating beauty without context is almost an ipossibility.

context =! evaluation, prediction, or assertion supported by only flimsy anecdotal evidence and conjecture.

Are you saying there is no such thing as logical prediction based on solid data?

If I wanted to say that, I would. I’m saying the opposite. In fact, my complaint is that seeing a player make a few passes a single good pass is not “solid data.” Perhaps some data would bring me around. But I can’t say for certain, since you have provided none.

Your suggestion appears to be that he sees the floor and makes great passes. I’m disagreeing, and, until you give me more reason than “He’s ahead of Pippen at this age for sure” and a description of a single fast-break pass, I’m going to be hard to convince. And I’m a huge Batum fan, so it’s no stretch to imagine that your contention would be seen as even less tenable by a more skeptical or less partial reader.

PS: Geometry is a branch of mathematics. If Batum is particularly good at it, that fact would be a diverting bit of trivia, if anything. I’m going to use some context (thousands of superstar athletes’ well-reported academic struggles) and data (my own four years of tutoring scholarship athletes for the SAT back when I was a student) to go ahead and predict that no, he’s probably not much of a math prodigy.

by Marvin100 on Mar 22, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anecdotal=hearsay=we have not actually seen Nic play with our own two eyes?
Conjecture=guesswork=not having seen Nic play, we are doing little more than flipping a coin to draw our conclusions?

my complaint is that seeing a player make a few passes a single good pass is not "solid data." Perhaps some data would bring me around. But I can’t say for certain, since you have provided none.

The assumption here is that most of the people reading this post have been watching Nic play and have been gathering their own evidence. Are you asking me to provide video? One of the main points of the post was to ask people to take a closer, more critical look for themselves at his passing ability.

As far as these conclusions actually being based on one pass, not so fast. In the post itself, I mentioned Nic receiving multiple passes from Andre that Nic, in turn handled well, and this, in addition to other passes in other games in which Batum had done the same kinds of things that I had described here, just on a smaller scale. Would any reasonable person expect me to go into description after description of, “other,” Nic Batum passes. I thought the post was getting long enough the way it was.

Who knows, when I said he had good quickness, maybe I should have given about twenty descriptions of him being quick or better yet provided some video? Following the line of reasoning that you are suggesting for us, without the descriptions/examples, Nic is no longer quick, and none of could possible ever know for sure, one way or the other, because all of our “evidence” is merely conjecture/anecdotal.

In the end, we all have to decide for ourselves and I am fine with that as well. Ostridges have managed to survive the evolutionary process for a very long time even though I am not quite sure how and I have certainly not witnessed it all for myself. I guess it just goes to show that burying ones head in the sand is a viable option. ; ? ).

PS: Thanks for your input. I hope this discussion will cause you to look more carefully at the quality of Nic’s passes—maybe, in the end, that is the only thing that should convince you!

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 22, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nic made a few nice passes in the 1st quarter, last night

of course, his “reward” for swinging the ball to the open man was a seat on the bench for nearly 6 minutes (while the Phoenix bench outplayed the Blazer’s bench…)

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by two4larue on Mar 22, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anecdotal=hearsay

Nope. Hearsay is when you pass on something as evidence that you yourself didn’t experience (“My friend said he saw Batum make some amazing passes.”). Anecdotal is personal experience (“I saw Batum make some amazing passes.”). Your evidence is far better than hearsay, and in fact a little more than anecdotal, since, in theory anyway, people could go back and find that play in a recording of the game—it’s potentially verifiable. But it remains a single example, which does not make a very compelling case .

As far as these conclusions actually being based on one pass, not so fast. In the post itself, I mentioned Nic receiving multiple passes from Andre that Nic, in turn handled well, and this, in addition to other passes in other games in which Batum had done the same kinds of things that I had described here, just on a smaller scale. Would any reasonable person expect me to go into description after description of, "other," Nic Batum passes. I thought the post was getting long enough the way it was.

No. I don’t expect you to go into description after description. But without citing other in-game plays or providing statistical data, your contention does indeed rest on the description of a single pass.

If

One of the main points of the post was to ask people to take a closer, more critical look for themselves at his passing ability.

then you probably should have said so. Your post appears to be about alerting people to something they might have missed, something you describe as

we may have witnessed something, “amazing,” that goes beyond any NBA marketing campaign.

With that in mind, I simply had to write this post just in case some may have missed the fact that Nic is working on his masters in geometry, or is it calculus?

I generally look very closely at Nic’s passes (and the rest of his game—he’s a personal favorite and I’m very curious what he’ll become as he matures), so I didn’t really need to be urged to look more closely. Had your post actually been an exhortation to watch Nic’s play, I wouldn’t have any criticism. But it’s not. It’s making a claim (that Nic’s an awesome passer) that you then expand on in your comments with such hyperbole as:

Nic has him in the skills and intelligence departments. He is a much better shooter, a better pure passer, and a more team oriented player. It will be interesting to see how Nic developes, but one thing I can say for sure, "Nic should get the opportunity to make plays," because he is most likely going to be better in the passing department than Scotty ever was.

The above is nothing but a string of unsupported assertions, continuing the pattern you’ve set out in the post itself. Statistics show that Nic is not a much better shooter (he’s better from three point range, and he’s been hot this year—well, until the last couple games—but small sample size & whatnot) and your claim that he’s a better “pure passer” (what is that, anyway?) continues to rest on your subjective impression of a single play. And using nothing more than one play and your opinion to make the claim that our 21-year-old Frenchman who didn’t even make the all-rookie team is or will be better than one of the NBA’s top 50 players of all time is sheer homer cheer leading. It should come as no surprise that it has brought scrutiny and criticism.

These are not the comments of an “ostridge[sic].” As you can see, my head is above the ground, eyes clear and open, looking around, hoping for signs of life, of thought.

by Marvin100 on Mar 22, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you now making the argument that statistics trump actual observation by trained observers?

Silly. Statistics, in and of themselves, tell lies and damn lies—a large percentage of the time. All statistics must be balanced by informed observation and inference. Many times the statistics themselves are arbitrary and substantially based in observation.

Lets take the number you keep throwing around about Pippen like it is the Holy Grail (“will be better than one of the NBA’s top 50 players of all time is sheer homer cheer leading.”). Your top 50 “statistic” is simply a popularity contest based in observation which should be invalid based on the high minded love of numbers that you have been trumpeting. In short, you should not be using that number in this discussion. (If you were being consistent, you would know that what is good for the goose is also good for the ostrich.)

And for that matter, I doubt that Pippen’s career statistical averages would not place him in the top 50 either? And don’t Zach Randolf’s numbers certainly tell lies and damn lies?

And again, my assertions were about quality and not about quantity (specifically taking into account that Nic is still wearing his huggies). Better passer refers to the ability to make certain difficult passes (geometry) rather than any attempt to refer to the actual number of assists or passes thrown. This type of assertion cannot be defined statistically in the first place—it is in fact an observation from start to finish. It is in fact a category of passing that can only rightly be described with words like, beautiful, amazing, and nearly impossible.

When you ignore what I am attempting to point out, and scrutinize things things that I did not even bring up, like comparing assist totals from Nic (2nd year player) vs Pip (a player who played for many years) you miss the mark with your criticisms.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 22, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you now making the argument that statistics trump actual observation by trained observers?

No, I’m not. That’s a point I wouldn’t care to make—and rest assured that if I were trying to make that point, I’d go ahead and say so to prevent you from continuing your fool’s errand in search of new ways to interpret things I’m not saying.

What I am saying is that more data trumps less data. Until the amounts of data can be compared, there’s no need to even bother with the substance of individual data points (although, like most people, I hold that a single anecdotal example is a very unreliable data point).

And “the ability to make better passes” is not and never will be “geometry.” That’s not even debatable. Passing angles are related to geometry and can be described with the language of geometry, but the skill of making tough passes is not in itself a geometric skill. Without evidence of mathematical prowess, your point is akin to claiming that birds are experts in aeronautics and fish are experts in fluid dynamics.

When you ignore what I am attempting to point out, and scrutinize things things that I did not even bring up, like comparing assist totals from Nic (2nd year player) vs Pip (a player who played for many years) you miss the mark with your criticisms.

Well, I quoted your statement about what you were trying to point out, so I don’t see how you can justify your belief that I’m ignoring it. But as for the assist totals: While they are certainly debatable, I was merely casting around for some actual data, since you provided so little (again, a single observation). When you provide some, I’ll be happy to discuss the validity of the statistics. That is indeed an interesting topic of discussion.

All the randomly bold words in the world will not make up for a slipshod and unsupported assertion.

by Marvin100 on Mar 23, 2010 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that I, (you, other fans) have only observed one instance of Nic demonstrating an excellent ability to calculate passing angles?

Or, are you saying that there is a statistical category out there, somewhere in cyberspace, that would give us totals, percentages, and averages for passes that would require that certain calculation ability that my post is saying Nic has?

Are you asking me to invent this category (which can only be properly defined by the gods) before you will allow me or anyone else to talk about what we have observed (without harassment)?

If your answer is, “Yes,” to any of these questions, then you are just being difficult. If your answer is, “Yes,” to all of these these questions, then you are being difficult and conflicted—as I demonstrated above, in that you were demonstrating a classic case of duplicity by your over use of that 50 greatest player, “statistic.”

And by the way.

No, I’m not.

Yes, you are! Even if you are unaware of it???

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 23, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that I, (you, other fans) have only observed one instance of Nic demonstrating an excellent ability to calculate passing angles?

No, and your chronic inaccurate paraphrases—that’s six, now—are wearing thin.

Or, are you saying that there is a statistical category out there, somewhere in cyberspace, that would give us totals, percentages, and averages for passes that would require that certain calculation ability that my post is saying Nic has?

Not saying that.

Are you asking me to invent this category (which can only be properly defined by the gods) before you will allow me or anyone else to talk about what we have observed (without harassment)?

Nope, not doing that either. And disagreeing with you on the internet is hardly harassment. Nor am I in a position to either allow or prevent your talking about what you’ve observed—as this thread proves. You “or anyone else” may say what you wish, and I may comment on it. Such is life.

Yes, you are! Even if you are unaware of it???

No, I’m not (!?!?! PUNCTUATION INFLATION!!!???), And I’m perfectly aware of it. I’m not a stat-head at all, and have never been accused of such a thing, even by the people I’ve discussed sports with in person for the last twenty-five years. But the rhetorical strategy of claiming to know something about my position that I myself don’t know—and then not explaining such mysterious and arcane knowledge—is at least a little better (if only by dint of novelty) than your now-threadbare tradition of simply asking me if I’m saying things I haven’t said.

So in short, no. I’m not saying any of the things you’re asking me if I’m saying, and, frankly, it’s increasingly a waste of my time to explain this over and over.

I’m merely saying (as, not surprisingly, I’ve said above) that more data is more reliable and useful than less data. This is hardly a controversial or radical position.

Are you saying it’s not true? Or are you saying you can’t understand my clear, concrete statements issued in simple, direct English? If you answered yes to that last one, then I can at least excuse you for your repeated misinterpretations of what I’ve written, as you are perhaps lacking the ammunition to engage in this little fracas. If you answered no, then I cannot but assume your persistent mischaracterizations of my statements are malicious and intentional, in which case I wash my hands of you.

In either case, Go Blazers

by Marvin100 on Mar 23, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m merely saying (as, not surprisingly, I’ve said above) that more data is more reliable and useful than less data. This is hardly a controversial or radical position.

We are both having to repeat ourselves and we are both showing an ability to focus on our own points of view . It is just that your viewpoint, although it has a general sort of merit, is poorly applied and incorrect in this instance, as it relates to the point I am making. : >)

Are you saying it’s not true?

I am in agreement with you that more stats are, in general, helpful for those are able to demonstrate an understanding of the stats in question; but in this case, as you have already agreed above, there are no stats available for what I was and am talking about. Kind of silly to ask for them, isn’t it???

Or are you saying you can’t understand my clear, concrete statements issued in simple, direct English? If you answered yes to that last one, then I can at least excuse you for your repeated misinterpretations of what I’ve written, as you are perhaps lacking the ammunition to engage in this little fracas. If you answered no, then I cannot but assume your persistent mischaracterizations of my statements are malicious and intentional, in which case I wash my hands of you.

I take it you are not used to having people stand up to you? Not used to people having opinions that they feel free to share with you, when you are in disagreement? Without you feeling justified in questioning their intelligence? Do you generally become increasingly belligerent (repeatedly calling my points, “thin,” among other things) when others fail to “give in” to your “logic” and other tactics?

I for one have not been impressed with your characterizations, and do not feel that it improves the percentage chance of you being correct about the point in question. As a matter of fact, “Thus me thinks you protest too much!”

Let’s simplify the point in question. Was Batum’s pass a difficult one that required a number of difficult calculations in a short period of time? Have I, along with some other fans, seen him do this kind of thing before in his limited opportunities? Would it be reasonable to assert that he will be able to repeat these types of passes in the future? Do very few players exhibit the ability to make the types of passes in question?

The answer to all of these questions is a resounding, “YES!” No homerism. Just the facts. Limited data, yes, but unreasonable, no.

Simple? “YES!”

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 23, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know a lot of people are predicting a Pippenlike career

But I predict that next year he will play the whole year, average 14+ points 6+ boards and 4 assists.

Then people will get mad at him for being soft and declare him a waste and complain that Pritchard didn’t draft some other doofus like Demarre Carrol.

We all love hope but usually hate the present.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Mar 21, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Pippen’s career averages were 16 pts, 6.4 boards, and 5 assists.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

the only thing that makes me angry

is when Batum is removed from the game and sits on the bench for 12 straight game minutes like during the first half Friday night. No injury, no foul trouble, just the coach’s decision to “see what Martell can do”

SMH

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by two4larue on Mar 21, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Martell, but

it is pretty clear that in the passing and ball handling departments, he is way behind Batum.

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by KINGofMACct on Mar 21, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's just too fragile to coexist

With Nic. Too bad, because with a stronger head he would have a place on just about any team.

by Sound_Automatic on Mar 21, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point forward

It’s just a matter of time, and repetition, before Batum is executing entry passes, directing traffic and making correct reads in the half-court set

I’ve said this before, but Nic is very much like a young Nate McMillian when he came into the NBA out of NC State. Like Nic, Nate was “too tall” for a PG, very unselfish and more concerned with team success than his own stats. I’m not sure how long Nate will be Batum’s head coach, but Nic’s career path will very likely eclipse what McMillian was able to do. #88 needs to be fully utlilized as a playmaker, he’s got better court vision now than a lot of older “combo” PGs I could name…

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 21, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Well written post, and REC.

Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."

by Blazer1342 on Mar 21, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

like this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haPzE0cKoqo

Boom Boom Batum is the greatest Blazer ever... and has the best nickname of any Blazer ever!!!

by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 21, 2010 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

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