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Comparing the Thunder to the Blazers

With the success the OKC Thunder have had this year, a lot of people are not only surprised by it but are also now starting to think their future may be brighter than that of the Blazers. I can tell a lot of people, including myself, are worried that the Thunder will indeed have a better future than us. However, the Thunder's development has been exactly on par with that of the Blazers.

 

First off, the two out of three guys we have built our team around are LA and Roy, who were both drafted in 06. The 2 out of 3 guys that the Thunder have built around our KD and Green, drafted in 07, one year after. The third guy to complete the Blazers big 3, Greg, was taken in 07, one year after drafting our two main guys. This is also true for the Thunder and Russel Westbrook to complete their big 3, except he was drafted in 08.

The Blazers struggled their first year of the rebuilding process of 06-07. The Thunder struggled in their first year as well. Both Roy and Durant won the rookie of the year, and both teams finished well under .500.

It wasn't until last year, the Blazers third year, when the new rebuilt team made the playoffs. The Blazers had a great season and finished with the 4th seed. This year, in the Thunder's third year, they too will make the playoffs. Ironically enough, it might also be the 4th seed, like the Blazers.

Who knows how the Thunder will fair these playoffs. By comparing them to the Blazers, they will get knocked out first round, like us last year.

In the summer, the Thunder will, like the Blazers last year, have enough cap room to sign a free agent who makes around the same amount of money  as say Andre Miller. They will also have to give Durant a max contract, and Green a pretty big check as well. 

Each team is both very young and both teams have plenty of potential. Both teams have a coach of the year candidate this year, and seem to have their coach of the future set (although many people complain about Nate). We have Nic, they have Sefolosha (although Nic is a way better shooter). We have Bayless and Rudy, they have Harden. Our teams are very similar in so many ways!

So where am I getting with this? Although we have had a very rough year, our future is still just as high as the Thunder's. They are succeeding at the same rate we were the previous few years. Although injuries have set us back this year, there is still playoff experience to be earned by the Blazers. They will come back healthy next year, and expectations will be lower so the Blazers can fly under the radar next season (sort of). Meanwhile OKC's expectations will be sky high next year, like ours were this year, and they may not live up to them. Dont let this year's success from the Thunder get you down and worried they will have a brighter future than us. They are on pace with the Blazers which is nothing to be worried about or ashamed of. The future for both teams are bright, and if the Blazers can stay away from injuries, I personally believe they will be better than the Thunder down the road. 

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I don't understand the fascination with the Thunder

They’re a good young team. Who cares.

Lover of everything Batum.
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by RyanRTE on Mar 20, 2010 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I care about

Thunder, Thunder, Thundercats, HO!!

OKC? meh.

by mabulati on Mar 20, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I do my best

If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99

by fajunga on Mar 21, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is the man in a top hat hitting his camel?

Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.

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by T Darkstar on Mar 21, 2010 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is one ugly horse.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Mar 21, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

…I guess he must be beating it with an “ugly” stick!

by jigglyai on Mar 21, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't even read the post

I just came to the comments to find and rec this picture

Free Mike Rice!

by In Walks Rudy on Mar 21, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not too worried about the Sonics stealing our thunder ( you see what I did there? ).

They have a nice team that is on fire right now, and they are having their coming out party this year. In the coming years, front office strife, money problems ( after they shell out the cash to all those young players ), and the realities of taking that next step will cool them off a bit. I don’t think they’re gonna go away, obviously they are here to stay. But I don’t see them becoming an elite team any sooner than us.

I do however see an epic rivalry coming very soon, with us meeting them in the playoffs a few times, and crazy intense regular season games.

"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden

by dario argento on Mar 20, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

OKC has improved their team defense

and that’s a big key to winning in the post season.

I just have a hard time projecting a team with Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison and Byron Mullens to go very far in the playoffs. They still need that aircraft carrier in the middle

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 20, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple important differences

1. (the controversial one) Durant is better than Roy. I said it. I LOVE Brandon Roy. He’s a once-in-a-lifetime guy for us, on and off the court, but he’s not as dominant a first option as Durant. Very few teams have won titles without supremely dominant #1 options.

2. While our big three is better than theirs (LMA>Green, Oden>Wesbrook), one of ours hasn’t been able to stay on the court—injuries and fouls have kept GO on the bench or in the trainer’s room.

3. They have to live in Oklahoma City. Gross.

4. If karma exists, they’re in for some bad, bad juju.

by Marvin100 on Mar 20, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Going to have to disagree with #1

http://www.82games.com/0910/09OKC10.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/09POR6.HTM

As you can see, Durant is the better shot blocker and rebounder. No surprise there. Roy is a much better ball handler, a much better passer, gets blocked less, they draw approximately the same proportion of foul shots, and their FG%/eFG% is almost identical.

Now scroll to the clutch statistics and you can see Roy clearly outshines Durant. Higher FG%, draws more fouls, passes WAY better (surprised actually how horrible Durant is in this category), creates more of his own shots (53% assisted rate for Durant!). Durant also shoots more jumpshots in crunch time (90%), and Roy actually is a better rebounder in clutch situations. And the ball handling is a joke at that point, a rating of 23.3 for Roy but 3.8 for Durant.

As a pure scorer, Durant seems better because Roy focuses on the team game a bit better. I think Roy could be about the equivalent scorer, and he outshines Durant in most other categories.

by Seven06Renault on Mar 20, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Yeah, I know the stats.

But I believe—my eyes and analysis from watching games has shown me—that Durant is the more dominant player, the more unstoppable player, the player with the greater upside.

I think most (non-Portland) NBA fans would agree with me on that, and, frankly, even here it should be a non-issue. Cherry-pick all the stats you want, but people who watch the NBA closely will agree with me. I wish Roy could be a 1A or a 2 on our team, but that’s not happening. So my biggest hope is that our big three can stay on the court together and, with the right combination of role players, pull a Detroit and win a title without a sheer dominant #1.

by Marvin100 on Mar 21, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with you there.

   Though Roy’s attitude is clearly not that of a guy who is comfortable with a 1A or, god forbid, 2. There was a recent quote from him where he said something like “I just don’t see how me and K.D. could work together, basketball-wise.” I would find this puzzling, except to see how long it took him to finally play decent basketball with Dre, and how he never really seemed to get comfortable with Greg.
   Brandon want basketball, Brandon get basketball. I personally don’t think it’s the worst thing in the world. Roy is so well under control on the court, virtually all the time, and extremely efficient.
   But, yes, Kevin Durant is approaching “unstoppable” on his way to “force of nature.” If he can begin to develop some court vision, start hitting cutters, and finding the open men, the O.K.C. Low Rumbling Sound will be mentioned with the “elite” teams.
   By the same token, when Greg went out, he was finding his offensive rhythm on the court, and providing his developing, yet deadly defense. If he can finally get a full year under his belt, he’ll provide exactly the kind of answer you need to have for guys like Lebron and Durant.

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by haildablazer on Mar 21, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roy isn't a #1?

I strongly disagree. Sorry.

Lover of everything Batum.
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by RyanRTE on Mar 21, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say

Roy is a #1 on offense. He can’t be a true #1 for a championship team until he starts caring about the defensive end, and lights a fire under his teammates to play tougher ‘D.’

by atomiccafe on Mar 21, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

But if that’s the criteria for being a “#1,” then Durant isn’t in that conversation either. As a matter of fact… Who is?

by HeathBlizzard on Mar 21, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not my criteria.

And I say he is a #1. For a middle-of-the-pack Blazers team, not a championship team. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see that happening. In that way he really is a lot like Joe Johnson.

by Marvin100 on Mar 21, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I certainly think he's a better #1 than some others in the past.

If the Blazers played a bit faster he would have even better stats. I do think Roy has some weaknesses, the main one being he doesn’t really demand excellence from his teammates. However, offensively he’s unbelievable, and we’ve seen that he CAN play lockdown D but often doesn’t due to the effort on the offensive end. I think the bigger problem we have is the #2 and #3 spots. Roy is clearly 1 … can Aldridge become the perfect #2 and will Nic/Oden step up to that third spot?

by Seven06Renault on Mar 21, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, but think about potential future title contenders

Roy will not be the best player on the court against any of them. Kobe? Bron Bron? Durant?

I agree that Roy is a remarkable talent, an amazing player. But, as I said, very few teams have taken home the hardware without the best player on the court, a supremely dominant #1 option (in my lifetime? Detroit and, um…maybe Houston?).

As our team is currently designed, we’re more in the Detroit mold—which means the development of LMA & Oden is extraordinarily important, as is that of potential role-players (Batum, Rudy, um, Dante?). I’m not saying it can’t be done, just that there are a lot of “ifs,” and even if they all pan out, it’s an uphill battle if history is any guide.

by Marvin100 on Mar 22, 2010 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I’d like to see Roy with a scorers mentality before I took a stand. I likely would still agree with you, but Roy does unbelievable things sometimes. If someone could twist that killer instinct and selfishness just a notch higher…

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Mar 24, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don't have either of our starting centers year we are basically just as good with a aging center in Camby.

They don’t have a brighter future. We just lost a lot of games because of injuries. If we had their luck health wise we’d be ahead of them, and maybe ahead of Denver. So there is no argument.

by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 21, 2010 1:59 AM PDT reply actions  

The 2008-09 Blazers missed 205 games due to injury last year.

I heard somewhere (a few weeks ago) that OKC has missed an incredible 2 games to injury this year. This doesn’t seem possible, but if it’s true it’s hard to compare on that basis.
The Blazers are/were on schedule to miss about 350 games this year.

When these fortunes are reversed, or at least evened out a bit, there should be a significant impact in the standings.

Having trouble googling a table for these kind of stats.

Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."

by Blazer1342 on Mar 21, 2010 3:40 AM PDT reply actions  

In other news

The thunder are losing big time to the Pacers in the 3rd… EXCELLENT NEWS

by jbm01 on Mar 21, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

and The Lightning lost

score one for Blazer nation, Boo-Yah

How am I not myself? How am I not myself?

by thankyouforblaze on Mar 21, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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