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Game 64 Preview: Pacers vs. Blazers

Game Time:  7:00 p.m.  TV:  Comcast

After the thrilling and at least semi-important win against the Memphis Grizzlies it may seem a little difficult to get up for a game against the Indiana Pacers.  They're 20-40 on the season.  They're not a division or conference rival.  The Blazers are back home now, feeling relatively secure after a fierce 4-1 road swing.  The temptation to let down or take this game for granted could be massive.  That's perfect, actually.  It should, paradoxically, keep the Blazers on their guard.  At the very least it will be another indicator of where these guys' heads are at.  That Memphis game showed whether the team is ready to take a playoff run seriously or not.  This game will show whether the team is ready to be professional or not.

Believe it or not, that second question probably has more important long-term implications than the first.  Making the playoffs this year will be a crucial accomplishment for the Blazers, no doubt.  At the end of the day, though, it's 99.99% probable that it'll result in a first-round exit...a classic accomplishment with huge short-term ramifications and limited long-term effect.  If they're going to translate that accomplishment into lasting significance, let alone better it, they're going to need to make the journey to the playoffs routine.  The key to that is winning games exactly like this, contests decided not by emotion but by focus and execution.  For all of the success and heroics this team still wins games it's up for and struggles in more mundane situations.  The Blazers will win their fair share of such games on talent, of course, but that's no sinecure either, as talent gets beat 4-5 times a year...games that later turn out to be critical in the standings.  You will know this team has made the step from playoff participant to playoff contender when we don't have to worry about this being the first game back off of a trip against a less-than-inspiring opponent.  These victories need to be predictable, period.  The Blazers would do well by insuring this one is.

What will it take?  Well, only 3 of Indiana's 20 wins have come when scoring fewer than 100 points so right off the bat I'd say controlling the ball, controlling the boards, and playing reasonable defense.  Ball and board control seems obvious.  The Blazers are accomplished at the former by virtue of their slower pace and lack of turnovers.  Rebounding can be an issue for Portland with the regular centers down but Marcus Camby plus some concentrated team help should be enough to counter an Indiana team that runs a -4.8 rebounding deficit.  Mind you, the Pacers have good individual rebounders up and down the lineup, starting with Troy Murphy and Jeff Hibbert and running down through their guards and forwards.  But Portland also has good rebounders and, at least when clicking, put more effort into it as a team than do the Pacers.  Indiana opts to play a faster-paced, Warrior-esque style, eschewing rebounding integrity for the chance to run up the score.  This gives you a clue what "reasonable defense" means against them.  Don't let them run out.  The guards and small forward have to get back in transition.  The big men, meanwhile, should try and press any advantage they find on the offensive boards, forcing the Pacers to stay back and worry about securing the rebound themselves.

That doesn't mean Portland should abandon the running attack altogether.  It's been an effective weapon in spots against lesser opponents and tonight should be no exception.  The Pacers pay even less attention to offensive rebounding than they do defensive rebounding.  There will almost certainly be opportunities for guys like Aldridge and Batum to leak out, knowing their teammates have a great chance at the rebound.  Any extra cheating points you get this way allow you to be more secure slowing the game down later to foil Indiana momentum, should any arise.

An interesting fact about the Pacers:  For a team that wants to rush the offense they get remarkably few actual fast break points on average.  They're abysmal at scoring in the paint as well.  A big part of understanding their 20-40 record is knowing that most games they're content to run down and fire a mid-range jumper or three-pointer.  In fact almost 27% of their attempts come from beyond the arc.  Unfortunately they're 26th in the league in three-point percentage which contributes mightily to them being 28th in overall shooting percentage.  Unless you make the game very easy on them they're going to shoot themselves right out of it.

One thing the Pacers have going for them is pretty good interior defense.  Ideally they'd like to draw you into a jump-shooting contest by sealing off the lane.  In reality they have trouble coordinating and concentrating enough to make it happen most nights.  If the Blazers move defenders around with passes, picks, and cuts the offense should come easily.  They will also foul you up the wazoo if you do get past them.  The Blazers should look to feast at the charity stripe tonight.  Beware taking the game for granted and figuring every shot is a good shot, though.

Individually the Pacers rely heavily on small forward Danny Granger who, despite shooting a career-low percentage, is cashing in to the tune of 23 ppg with spikes abover 30.  He had a lousy outing in their last game versus the L*kers, attempting only 9 shots.  It's a pretty good bet Indiana will be sure to get him more looks tonight.  Beyond Granger the Pacers have amassed a bunch of guys who can best be described as your second or third-favorite players on other teams.  Power forward Troy Murphy is averaging around 14 and 10.  T.J. Ford, Dahntay Jones, and Mike Dunleavy notch around 11 per game.  Brandon Rush is one of their only legit three-point shooters.  Center Roy Hibbert is giving them quality minutes and nice interior play.  He has the potential to become their next really-good home-grown talent.  Right now he's limited by foul trouble and occasional bad matchups to 24 minutes per game.  Basically beyond Hibbert, Granger, and Murphy you wouldn't trade Martell Webster for the entire rest of their lineup (at least the healthy portion) put together right now.  And that's about what you need to know.

This should be a safe, comfortable game for the Blazers.  Anything else will be a disappointment, probably meaning they assumed it would be a safe, comfortable game for them and played accordingly.  Let's hope that doesn't happen.

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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I hope we win!

They’re on the 2nd night of a Back 2 Back, so we got ’em right where we want ’em…

Just need to play with something resembling energy, get enough offensive boards to keep the Pacers grounded, and then win and be happy.

M—

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by Mortimer on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 AM PST reply actions  

They are real awful

But the fans deserve a whupping to allow this team to show its gotten better. Lets give it to ’em.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Mar 3, 2010 12:31 AM PST reply actions  

I have to take issue

I want to remain even-headed here after almost sweeping the road trip, but I’m feeling pretty good about the Blazers and the playoffs. This season has had a lot of swings and it could swing again but….

I’m feeling a heck of a lot better than 99.99% sure they’ll exit in the first round as Dave suggests. Lets consider a few things here. As many of you do daily, check out those standings! We are only 3.5 games behind Utah right now for 4th in the standings with a heap of teams in between us. Much more important than that, check out the schedules of those teams. Many more games (see everyone), many more road trips (see San Antonio) lots more back to backs (everyone) and quite a bit of inconsistency (other than OKC). We have a pretty comfortable schedule. Some tough games, but a lot of rest and little travel comparatively. As good as we feel Utah is, they’re 6-4 in their last 10. Have they used their hot streak? Will OKC prevail at this hot pace? Even Denver has had some losses. Their having trouble at center and Birdman has right knee tendinitis making them thin there too. We win there Sunday and we’re suddenly at least 3.5 games behind them or better (they have OKC tomorrow)

Many many items are actually lining up in our favor. As long as we keep our focus and dont slip on banana games and pull off a couple MORE wins than we already have against the West, I’m not ready to dismiss the possibility of rising to 4. Its still that close.

I take issue with the thinking that we will just make the playoffs and exit early. We gained experience last year. Brandon seems to be getting steady again. We’ve shown improvement on the road. We have among the best records against the West. We HAVE the best record league-wide in back to backs. Resiliency nobody new existed. Batum is improving (quickly). We have 19 games to fine tune with Camby and oh yeah Miller’s playing pretty amazing.

Hold your horses Dave we still have a quarter season to play out.

"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy

by courtsideerrandboy on Mar 3, 2010 12:42 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

I think we could be dangerous in the first round

and I think we could still get a better seed, though #4 would be a surprise. One wonders, though, if the loss of Brewer is impacting Utah.

One minor quibble, though, nobody really has a lot more back to backs than we do. The most is San Antonio, at three more.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

But to be fair to Dave

the 99.99% was hyperbole.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Not in this case

I don’t see any way we get out of the first round with a 7 or 8 seed. Actually the .01 was a concession on my part to those who want to hold out hope.

—Dave

by Dave on Mar 3, 2010 2:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

After all the miracle wins on the road this year?

Nothing this team does will surprise me. I give us at least a 5% chance against anyone. Sure, it’s unlikely, but our three point shooters can catch fire for several games, Brandon Roy could take over a game, etc, etc.

Add to that, there’s at least a 5% chance of an injury significantly impacting our first round opponent. Sit Pau or Kobe down and our chances against the L@kers would got to at least 25%, and those guys are not indestructible.

It’s more likely that we get swept than that we win a series, but this team is just the kind of team that can catch fire and burn anyone in a short series, and then proceed to get swept by a weaker team in the next round.

There’s also probably a 20% chance that we finish higher than the seventh seed, IMO.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 2:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand it is unlikely

but does Oden’s possible return affect our chance greatly or is the probability still relatively low?

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Mar 3, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

My biggest concern

about his early return is how it will affect any sort of momentum we have gained over these last few games and hopefully continue to build on over the next few weeks. We saw when Jameer came back last year in the playoffs it was not necessarily a good thing timing wise.

Based on this alone I’d probably rather Greg just start fresh next year, but from his viewpoint if he’s working his butt off to rehab then he’s going to want to go when he’s ready, for better or for worse.

So to answer your question, if he does return for the playoffs, the overall impact would then depend on how quickly he can return to form and his role. 15 min off the bench? Great. Starting…hmmm maybe not so good

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 3, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

15 minutes? please.

That’s giving him 2.5 minutes per foul. Aren’t you being a little generous.

by jiminut on Mar 3, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't see him getting more than 15 mpg at first

But if it’s working, and he’s truly effective, I could see that increasing as things go along.

Nate isn’t going to disrupt a good thing to make room for Greg, he’ll play Greg to fit in.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

There must be more than one chance in a thousand that the 8th seed wins in the first round.

I’ve been thinking how great it would be if we could move up. But now I’m thinking that staying in 8th and playing the Lakers would be so great. It would be almost how it’s meant to be. Lose or win, going up against the Lakers would add fuel to the rivalry. Even if it takes several years, how else do we want to win the title? Our path to the title is to go through the Lakers."

P.S. I love this site, where people stay up past midnight to speak the truth. :)

by jayfisher on Mar 3, 2010 4:31 AM PST up reply actions  

The path to the title runs through winning

Not to over-simplify. But I think we have a somewhat soft remaining schedule and it would me nice to ride this 4-1 pace right into the play-offs. Last season I was hoping for the Lakers match too, or else the Mavs, or San An, or mostly anyone but Yao and Battier.

It’s also possible that LA might not be the dominant team for much longer. If we’re looking to set a precedence, and if we’re prepared to dog out at a series like real men this time, then win or lose a battle with Denver could be an equally good building block. Dallas, too, would be a nice test of our mettle.

99.9% might seem high, but you do get the impression that Nate and the boys are still bearing the scars from last year’s tanning we took from Houston. I’m anxious to see how much we learned.

by jiminut on Mar 3, 2010 5:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow.

You should stretch this out when we get a little closer and do a full post on the whys of this position.

I’d add a 9 if it’s the Lakers. But otherwise I’m more optimistic. If I knew we weren’t going past the first round I’d just take the Lakers because everything is going through them for the next few years. The exposure couldn’t hurt.

by almost awesome on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 AM PST up reply actions  

LA, Dallas, Denver, Utah

all equal first round exits for the Blazers…at least 99.99% of the time

by adaoh on Mar 3, 2010 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm a 100% sure the Blazers will be out in the first round

I’m almost as certain that the Blazers won’t win a game in the playoffs until they get a championship caliber point guard.

by tominhawaii on Mar 3, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh no

Oh dear God no. I am agreeing with you.

See, I don’t view Andre as a championship caliber point guard. I still view him as a massive upgrade over what we had, but it’s still not enough. If we were healthy (i.e. had Oden and Joel) we would be a legit contender to make the WC Finals, but eventually we will need that just-right PG that fits Nate’s system perfectly if we really want to make that title run.

Also, I will control the odds of a first round exit by opponent (in my opinion)

Lakers: 99.99% (we just won’t win 4 against them barring a multiple injuries to key players for them)

Utah: 99% (they just have our number)

Denver: 80% (they are clearly better, but we would have a fighting chance)

Dallas: 75% (our best option really…we played them well this year and match up well, and Miller can actually stay in front of Kidd)

by GMan83201 on Mar 3, 2010 7:28 AM PST up reply actions  

The dark side's callin' now

Nothin’ is real

Without home court advantage, it’s really hard to imagine the Blazers winning more than one game in the post season. I just rounded down.

by tominhawaii on Mar 3, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I watched that movie a couple of weeks ago

coincidentally

Great song….ok movie

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 3, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Can you give me a list of guards you think fit this bill, TiH?

Because there are many guards that would be an upgrade over the pupu platter of Miller/Bayless/Random 2 pretending to be a PG. Is Devin Harris one even though he hasn’t won a championship? What about the love affair that BE had over Hinrich in the offseason? Curious for your opinion.

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Mar 3, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Me either

from both a contract and ability standpoint, how is it any upgrade over Miller at all? All we get is what we chased Blake out of town for, slightly better defense and spot-up shooting.

I think for as well as Miller has played for us, the thing we really missed out on was the Oden entry passes.

by superfly05 on Mar 3, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

That's kind of my point

I actually agree that a legit point guard would be an excellent push towards playoff competitiveness, but I’m confused on who fits that bill. I read for three months about how much we wanted Hinrich and he seems marginal at best. A white version of Blake. Wait, nevermind.

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Mar 3, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not in agreement with the "need a different point guard" argument

Lets just take a quick look at who the point guard on the last several champions:

2009 Lakers – Derek Fisher
2008 Celtics – Rajon Rondo
2007 Spurs – Tony Parker
2006 Heat – Jason Williams
2005 Spurs – Tony Parker
2004 Pistons – Chauncey Billups
2003 Spurs – Tony Parker
2002 Lakers – Derek Fisher
2001 Lakers – Derek Fisher
2000 Lakers – Derek Fisher
1999 Spurs – Antonio Daniels/Avery Johnson
1998 Bulls – Steve Kerr

and then a lot of Steve Kerr/BJ Armstrong and a Paxon. And Kenny Smith for a couple years.

Anyway, my point is that you can’t have a “star” at every position, and in my opinion we are currently better off at the PG spot than at least half of those champions above. Not to mention, most of the “star” point guards are in fact “stars” because they have the ball in their hands a lot and score a lot, which doesn’t really work with Roy’s style.

by superfly05 on Mar 3, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd say there is only one of those guys ...

… who could be classified as a star and that’s Parker.

Billups is a very good player (and one that took several years before coming into his own).

Rondo is a good young player. He gets a lot of exposure playing on a team that has Pierce, Allen and Garnett.

I would agree that Andre Miller version 2010 is generally equal to or better than everyone on this list but Parker.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 3, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I want someone like Chauncey Billups from 8 years ago, a fallen angel of sorts

A younger point guard who already has experience, he just hasn’t had the the opportunity on a winning team. I’m too lazy to try to figure out who that is though.

by tominhawaii on Mar 3, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The odds of the Blazers losing in the first round are....

…..92%……(and Dave doesn’t love me any more)

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 3, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh ye of little faith.

You’ve been spending too much time at BE listening to all of the critics.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 3, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

at least we've gotten past the hand-wringing

like the “the Blazers should lose games and miss the playoffs so they have a 99.99% chance at John Wall” weak sauce

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

unless we lose another game

in which we hold a lead prior to losing ;)

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 3, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see any way we get out of the first round with a 7 or 8 seed.

Strange things can happen. Injuries to the opponent’s key players right before (or during) a playoff series has been known to level the playing field, in the past

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

As we learned last year

It all depends on matchups. I still think we beat SA and probably crush the Hornets in the first round. Houston was about our worst possible matchup.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Mar 3, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

this is true

but like I wrote above, one defensive stop and change of possession down the stretch against the Rockets in game 4 and that series could’ve come back to PDX for game 7

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

word

whats the point of watching the games if youre assuming we’ll get knocked out early. have some faith. golden state beat dallas a few years back, and i dare say we are MUCHHHHHHHH better than that golden state team, even w/o joel & greg

by 64-18 on Mar 3, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This may be nitpicky

but 99.9% is far too high for the probability of a first round exit. This amounts to an expected 93-7 matchup against our opponent. I expect that, on average, we will have a much higher likelihood of winning a single game than 7%. I wouldn’t put money on us making round two, but neither would I discount it as basically impossible.

Sorry to be all snickety, but the “There is a 99.9% chance of…” is just a lazy way to predict likely events. It means you can say, “I told you so,” if you’re right, but have a little bit of cover if things don’t go according to plan. Remember 99.9% means that you will be correct 999 out of 1000. The number of things that occur that consistently are small and mind numbingly boring.

Other than that though, the write-up was excellent, as always. The writing on this sight is truly a pleasure to read. This is one of the first examples I use when people bemoan the death of newspapers.

by jnewhouse on Mar 3, 2010 12:48 AM PST reply actions  

Posted my last comment in the wrong thread. If Batum shoots one more 3 pointer he meets the minimum

requirement to be included on the league leader list for 3 point shooting percentage. He will be the 3rd best three point shooter in the entire league.

by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 3, 2010 1:09 AM PST reply actions  

ur avatar.

i remember that. pretty sick hops

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Mar 3, 2010 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

And then his % will promptly drop.

That will get on all the scouting reports and they’ll close out on him more aggressively.

by conspirator5 on Mar 3, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

and then he'll pump fake

slither down the baseline and throw it down

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Lets go! (Clap. Clap) Blazers! (Clap. Clap.)

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The Ardent Optimist.

by fajunga on Mar 3, 2010 2:05 AM PST reply actions  

The urgency Roy played with in playoff games gives me hope against any team. He really just turned a switch on against the rockets.

It was guys like Outlaw and Blake that just folded. They play their regular season games and we win that series. I think Portland just needs to get the foot in the door.

by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 3, 2010 2:33 AM PST reply actions  

the big swing game was #4

Portland had a double-digit lead early in the 4th quarter than let the Rockets outscrap them for an 11-2 rebound advantage and lost by a point. Win that road game and it forces game 7 back in PDX…where I like Portland’s choices, regardless of Outlaw/Blake’s performances

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

if this current healthy roster plays in the playoffs w/the...

intensity that we played with early this season (when we were at the climax of the injury list, with pendergraph and howard starting), we can win a 1st rd series against anyone, with or w/o Oden. Especially with Roy’s cranked up playoff intensity as mentioned above.

by 64-18 on Mar 3, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

... is it "Jeff Hibbert?" or do we mean Roy Hibbert.

I was never a Hibbert fan, but unless they are playing Bo Outlaw, I think we mean Roy Hibbert … formerly of Georgetown.
What we really need here is one LaMarcus Aldridge to take this one over and have a double-double evening. That would make ole Y5k smile.

Seeking whimsy

by Y5k on Mar 3, 2010 4:02 AM PST reply actions  

or did i miss the clever blending of Hibbert and

Jeff Foster?
It’s not very often I know much about non-Blazer players.

Seeking whimsy

by Y5k on Mar 3, 2010 4:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope Martell Fernandez does well tonight.

Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.

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by T Darkstar on Mar 3, 2010 5:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope Blakey Deiner plays tonight.

Nate McGriddle should make him a starter tonight, isn’t that why we picked him up?

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Mar 3, 2010 5:52 AM PST up reply actions  

portland is a simpson's town.

it’s Julius.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

"They will also foul you up the wazoo...."

That would be bad…Tom tells me it is very painful

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 3, 2010 6:52 AM PST reply actions  

playoffs

“I’m feeling a heck of a lot better than 99.99% sure they’ll exit in the first round as Dave suggests”

I think the Blazers could be competitive in the playoffs provided:

1). they are running on all cylinders. Now that they have a true center, they are a bona fide basketball team.

2). they don’t get intimidated by the playoffs. Think last year. Batum should be a good canary in the coal mine. He was passive in last year’s playoffs. I think the prospects are good it will be a whole different story this year. Brandon Roy won’t be intimidated by the playoffs, but think about LA, he doesn’t thrive in 4th quarter pressure situations and playoffs are even higher pressure.

However they do though playoffs are important to them getting more battle hardened to eventually be a championship contender.

But, first things first, first need to get into the playoffs.

by lsjogren on Mar 3, 2010 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

Not getting the Batum-as-a-canary metaphore

They used those as an early warning for CO poisoning if I am not mistaken. I fail to see how that fits in…

by GMan83201 on Mar 3, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

If Batum keels over under the pressure

we’re doomed, if not, we’re good.

At least, that is the point he’s making.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

So our season depends on Batum?

Love the guy but I don’t think he’s at that point yet.

by GMan83201 on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, it wasn't the point I was making

I’m just explaining his point. :)

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Batum should be a good canary in the coal mine. He was passive in last year’s playoffs.

I think having to defend Artest had a lot to do with that. Adelman exploited that mismatch (as he should have) and forced Nate to take Nic off the floor, early each half

Of course, if Portland faces L*A in round 1, we could see a reprise of Ron-Ron vs Frenchy. (Having Webster available this year to help defend Artest is a good thing)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget Battier

Batum and Outlaw had Battier on them and spent most of their time standing on the 3-point line. Not a recipe for success. Rudy didn’t do any better at that position either.

by Kaboomm on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

99.99%

I’d say odds of Blazers losing a first round are more like 87-93%.

by lsjogren on Mar 3, 2010 7:19 AM PST reply actions  

Dave, very good point about being PROFESSIONAL...and a PLAYOFF CONTENDER..

I’d like to add will to be CHAMPIONS…I heard Roy in the post game interview and liked very much that he said he was going to tell the team this is the last game of the road trip…must give it their all…to (AND THIS IS THE ONLY PART I WASN’T WILD ABOUT) TRY to win big. I would have liked to hear….TO WIN BIG…take out the TRY part.

Was at the game last year when Philly was on a back to back and the Blazers were back from a road trip…and Philly handed us a nice loss….I remember MR MILLER KICKING SOME BUTT… well thank God he is now on our side. And Camby and Juwan..I think the veteran presence will help BIG time in this sort of game. Also I think Batum has a CHAMPION instinct as well.

by Natsthecat on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

I think the other players are talented and fairly young and I've seen the Blazers play like they don't really

care all that much at HOME. I’ve been to the LA, OKC, and Utah games. I’m sick of going to games where the Blazers are out played. The coach is out smarted…so want the Blazers to win tonight..when I am there!!!!!

by Natsthecat on Mar 3, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Philly handed us a nice loss….I remember MR MILLER KICKING SOME BUTT

Yeah, during that game Andre was the first opposing player who I remember seeing who could effectively trap Roy on his PnR move and make him pick up the ball. Then, there was no other Blazer player who was able to exploit the double-team on Brandon…

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by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

99% sounds about right

The Blazers have the talent to beat any team on any night… But to defeat LA, Dallas, or Denver over a 7 game series when the defensive intensity ramps up is a different story. Portland is still a jump shooting team that plays poor team D, things that don’t bode well for the postseason. I think LAL, if healthy, will step it up to a whole different level in the playoffs. Hope the Blazers prove me wrong, though.

by lil'stink on Mar 3, 2010 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

no

you don’t run plays for your 4th scoring option. You just don’t. He needs to play in the flow of the sets that are primarily designed for Brandon and LA and just do his thing.

That said, I think he’s fully capable of contributing, he’s already shown this, but to think we’ll run set plays for him at this point is flawed, IMO

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 3, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Rather than run "sets" for particular Blazers ...

… I keep thinking that Nate’s ultimate goal offensively is that the team get ot the point where they can recognize what a defense is giving them every time down the court and then automatically execute in the manner he’s tried to drill into them.

Under a scenerio like this, the ball goes to the player that’s open or the guy with the best mismatch. Right now, if I had to identify one thing wrong, it’s that the players seem to frequently hesitate. They doi not appear to be making their reads quick enough, or not trusting their reads and taking that extra second or two to be sure.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 3, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

great addition

Utah’s flex offense, the princeton offense, and even the triangle offense are all read and react systems rather than set or diagrammed plays. I’m guessing sets are really only run on inbounds plays.

Your thought that our players are sometimes to slow to react is probably more accurate than saying “Nate forces guys to stand around!!!111”…this idea makes even more sense considering the positional/rotational adjustments our guys have had to make throughout the season. For example, LA moving between the 4 and the 5 at various times

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 3, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

We have a lot of hesitation. Man, how I want to see the quick pass instead of that hesitation. Quick passes stress a defense so much, but all too often, someone hesitates before the pass, and the defenders adjust.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad Hansbrough is inactive

If there are any ticketholders out there that are so bummed that they are cheated out of seeing the Great White Hustle play tonight I would be happy to take tickets off your hands.

by lil'stink on Mar 3, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

KP and Paul Allen could be among those who will be disappointed

there were reports following draft night that KP had tried hard to trade up and select Psycho T

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by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

How has he played this year?

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 3, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Oden could be back for the playoffs

He won’t be ready to start, but will add some power off the bench. If Greg is back, we will make it out of the 1st round.

by Tim Tim on Mar 3, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

true dat

realistically ( w/o knowing our opponent yet) i put our chances of winning rd 1 at about 35%. but if Greg came back for the playoffs and played only 15 min/gm, i would raise our chances to 55-60% (unless we play l.a., cuz stern wont let them lose obviously……….gotta have more kobe/lebron puppet commercials, cuz it worked out so well last year, with orlando making finals and all). anywayz, ill stop ranting now

by 64-18 on Mar 3, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't feel like I want Greg to come back

Too risky. Let him recover for next year. Of course, I’m not a doctor and I don’t know what I’m talking about.

by Kaboomm on Mar 3, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Any more news on Diener?

Has he passed his physical? Will he be on the bench? Does he have the inside scoop on the Pacers (not that it matters, we should crush them)? Does his name rhyme with wiener or whiner?

We'll miss you #2 & #25!

by clinchmobb on Mar 3, 2010 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

wiener …..I think

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave what do you mean?

it doesnt make sense to me that if a team (Indiana) doesnt hit the offensive boards that you can get easy run outs by Batum and LA? wouldnt it make more sense that if a team crashes the boards hard nobody gets back on D? therefore a team that doesnt crash boards would be getting back in transition. what you are claiming is that they dont crash boards but they all stand at mid court and let our guys get behind them?
hum

by SuperFan #7 on Mar 3, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

You don't have to keep extra players back

to ensure the rebound. If your guy (LMA) runs faster than their guy (Murphy) then you can get a possible break. Or if your guy (Batum) simply continues running out while their guy (Shooter X) is still recovering from his shooting motion, same thing.

—Dave

by Dave on Mar 3, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Oden

“Oden could be back for the playoffs He won’t be ready to start, but will add some power off the bench. If Greg is back, we will make it out of the 1st round”

Even if Oden is medically cleared to play the last few games of the season and the playoffs, I think there’s a good chance they won’t play him or only play him for 5-7 minutes type duty.

Integrating him back will take some time, both for him to get his play back up to speed and also for the team to adjust. Consider that that process has taken some time even in the case of Camby even though he was already playing for another team and it was expected to be a seamless transition.

by lsjogren on Mar 3, 2010 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

Diener

I hope Diener isn’t ready yet. My hbpe is that Blazers can build up a big lead against Indiana, allowing Mills to get some playing time.

by lsjogren on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

Diener

I don’t think we need to worry much about him logging any PT

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 3, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

playoff odds

Check out Hollinger playoff odds. He has Blazers with a 1.5% chance of winning the championship. I’ll take it!

One thing I noticed, Boston is pegged at a 2.8% chance of winning the playoffs. Not even double the championship prospect that Blazers have. From Boston’s last visit to the Rose Garden, I would have pegged Boston to have a pretty decent chance at a championship. But considering Boston’s mediocre record, I guess maybe they were just really on top of their game the night they played at RG.

by lsjogren on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

And we were missing several key players...

People seem to forget that our top 6 players have missed over 160 games compared to OKC’s top 6 missing just 2. Considering they’re only 2 games ahead of us (possibly 1 after tonight) and people are saying they could get HC advantage, I’m pretty ready to take our chances, now that our team is slowly back and getting some chemistry going (and we are still missing two great players).

by anupam on Mar 3, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

hollinger

Interesting. If you click from that page to the page on PER of small forwards, Nick Batum is rated #5 in the NBA.

by lsjogren on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

haha

I don’t know if anyone else got that joke but i literally laughed out loud at that comment!

by reuben on Mar 3, 2010 4:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree about a first-round exit

I see it’s already been debated above, but here’s what I think.

Just to make a few comparisons between this year’s team and last year’s team:

- PG: Miller-Bayless >= Blake-Sergio
- SF: Batum ’10 > Batum ’09

These are small improvements over last year.

Question marks:

- SG: Roy and Fernandez at full strength? If so, then no worries.
- PF: Is LMA playing his best, as he has lately? If so, then should be at least equal to last year. Can backups play better than Outlaw in last year’s playoffs? Probably.

Step down:

- C: Camby-Howard < Przy-Oden

This is a bit weaker than last year, but with no Yao the rest of the West is not strong at center either. These two should be solid enough, except maybe against the L*kers.

So depending on the breaks, and the comebacks of our injured players, shouldn’t this year’s playoff team be at least a little better than last year’s? If Roy is Roy, Rudy’s shots keep falling and Batum is SuperBatum, this is a pretty hard team to stop. We’ve added a fair amount of toughness and experience (Miller, Camby, Howard), and we won’t be facing Blazer-killers Yao and Brooks. The Blazers have got to have a fighting chance — better than last year’s, IMO.

by Kaboomm on Mar 3, 2010 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

We won't have home court advantage

and we’ll be playing either LA or Dallas. And Dallas is now much better than the team we beat twice earlier this year.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 3, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Stronger opponent

Miller-Bayless > Blake-Sergio
Batum = Batum (sample size way too small to infer anything at this point after 18 games)
Roy and Rudy < Roy and Rudy last year (Rudy is worse)
LMA = LMA (LMA closed like a beast last year)
Camby-Howard <<<<<<<<<Przy-Oden

We are in considerably worse shape than last year, which is probably why we are in the 8 seed instead of the 4.

by GMan83201 on Mar 3, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Correction

We are in considerably worse shape than last year, which is probably why we are in the 8 seed instead of the 4.

The uninjured Blazers bench is in worse shape than last year. The team is now getting back into playing form, minus its centers, and could climb the ladder before the end of the year. Obviously, things would have to really click for the Blazers to be successful in the playoffs, but if Miller-Roy-Batum-Aldridge are on top of their game, and Camby-Howard can contain opposing centers, and the bench plays okay, would you really say this team CAN’T win a playoff series?

Positive scenario: 5th or 6th in the West, and competitive with everyone who isn’t the L*kers. That’s if everything goes right.

by Kaboomm on Mar 3, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if I wrote that clearly

What I meant was that the Blazers’ record, which is pretty acceptable, was achieved by a half-strength squad most of the year. We may be seeing the team recover now, and this is essentially a much stronger team than the one that’s in eighth place right now.

by Kaboomm on Mar 3, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave..Here is a throw down Bet

Blazers make it out of the first round!

Package of Porterhouse Steaks from My side as the wager. These are Dry aged 21 Days and you would really like them. But, you’ll never know as you won’t win the Throw Down Wager, LOL…

Here is my thought. They are being evaluated based on the current play. I see Batum, Roy and Camby all increasing consitent contributions. Batum and Roy are still rounding into form post injury. Camby barely knows everyones name and both Camby and the team will adjust better. We are goingto finish strong and have a lot better and more confident Play going into the Playoffs.

I admit, i am more of a fan than an analyst. However, this group of guys is worth being a fan of

by Hermistonmelons on Mar 3, 2010 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

This is Your Portland Trailblazer Team!

Great win… Jerryd played well.I think Rudy did and I liked Martel’s efforts. We are coming together!

by Hermistonmelons on Mar 3, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Talking about a "should win game"

I think up to this point we’ve lost 13 games that we should have won, and we’ve won 4 games that we should of lost. Imagine if we had 9 more wins. 45 – 18 sounds really good. Last year we were better at winning the ones we should win.

by desperationshot on Mar 3, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

Portland had a 9-1 record in close games last year

as Mike Barrett repeats several times a week

law of averages, or were Travis Outlaw’s miracle jumpers the difference?

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by two4larue on Mar 3, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get too excited

I wouldn’t work yourselves up into a thick lather with the logic that because we’re 4-1 on the road and rested, we’re surely going to trounce a B- team. Are you, dear fans, forgetting the despicable Blazer’s curse of 2009-2010? (Look back at our famed game against Utah where we had a deciding lead and then CHOKE!!) It’s called inconsistency, and we’re famous for it (just ask Dave, or see the many articles here posted about it, or, just look up Rudy Fernandez and Martell Webster in the dictionary.)
I’m not trying to be pessimistic, but I’d like you all to keep in mind our team is the king of the Munsen.

-B.

by BrianThomas on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

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