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There is good information here on Greg, and some on Joel. It's nice to know what's going on.

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we need to stop posting about this BUST

dont get your hopes up, hel just get injured again

Odenized

by CroRupt on Mar 18, 2010 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

#52

Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum

by thomasikehara on Mar 18, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

ur a bust

Lover of everything Batum.
#88

by RyanRTE on Mar 18, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

C'mon.

There’s a difference between an opinion and the truth. Saying people who don’t agree with you dislike truth is really not okay.

Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.

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by T Darkstar on Mar 18, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

well in my opinion its da truth

He’s not a savior of the franchise now, hes unreliable to take us to the promise land and hes completely injury prone. Their is no denying that. I defended him when he had that first injury, but the second one, he had no one touch him and he still broke his knee. So if that isn’t a injury prone bust idk what is

Odenized

by CroRupt on Mar 18, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

But here's the deal.

There are good arguments on both sides of the equation. The one you put forward is indeed a reason to believe he’s injury prone. The other side can also put forth the reason that none of the injuries are related, which is not the case with say, Yao or Kenyon Martin, or Bowie. So there is room for discussion on the issue. You can be on whichever side you like. That isn’t the problem at all.

But saying things like “some people don’t like the truth” closes that discussion. It is no longer an issue of “I think Greg Oden is injury prone” but “I think anyone that say Oden is not injury prone dislikes the truth.”

This changes the argument either into an insult, or an opportunity to fight back in a battle of who can yell the loudest. That just isn’t productive. And that wasn’t your intention. But that is often the result.

I’m saying that you can indeed stick to your guns as it were, but calling those who disagree with you dislikers of truth is pushing things in the wrong direction.

Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.

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by T Darkstar on Mar 18, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No worries.

Sometimes what we type on the screen means one thing in our heads, but is understood differently by others. That’s the disadvantage of sites like this one.

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by T Darkstar on Mar 18, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am in neither camp at the moment

but I am really tired of the “the injuries are unrelated” argument. To me that is still concerning, because that means EVERYWHERE (okay, just both knees) is fragile. It doesn’t need to be the same injury over and over again to be injury prone, it just has to be repeated injuries.

by GMan83201 on Mar 19, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I defended your grammar on your first post

But you’re on your own on this one.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Mar 19, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol i dont care

I’m not in school so i could care less about my grammar.

Odenized

by CroRupt on Mar 19, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apathy

is there anything it can’t defend?

by jigglyai on Mar 19, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

too perfect

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

by shralpster on Mar 20, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is this "hel" guy?

and why should we care if he gets injured again?

by jigglyai on Mar 18, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why s Greg on a street bike?

I mena I understand if it is a stationary or on a flat track but biking 15 miles you are bound to see some hills and to bike up a hill you have to mash and not spin which puts a lot of pressure on the knee. Not to mention the thought of Oden in bike shorts…. lol.

by Escrote on Mar 18, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Any updates on his third leg?

J'aime manger de grandes quantités de cire de bougie. Vraiment? Omelette du fromage monsieur!

by Diosnomeama on Mar 18, 2010 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

but it still has "upside"

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Mar 18, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huge Upside

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Mar 19, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a moment

I thought this:

"But I’ve stayed positive. If you don’t, it can eat at you."

said this:

“But I’ve stayed positive. If you don’t, I can eat you.”

We'll miss you #2 & #25!

by clinchmobb on Mar 18, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing.

Part of Greg’s mental rehab is about psyching himself up and becoming an intimidator. Honestly, who wants to face a 7-footer who threatens to eat them? ;-)

"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave

by DC Blazer on Mar 18, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both those guys have a lot of heart

Oden is and will be the key to post season success for our team. All you haters out there …did you NOT see him play this year? come ON people! Not only is GO going to power us to a title very soon but he is very likely to be a first or second all nba player as well as Defensive player of the year. Scoring titles are GROSSLY overated. Lets give our Centers some support while they get healthy!
O.R.

by Odenrising on Mar 18, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

he was in contention for DPOY this year

It’s such a shame. We all know the accolades he will achieve if he can stay on the court, but can he? I’m optimistic, but who knows.

Lover of everything Batum.
#88

by RyanRTE on Mar 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but we all know that you're a total loss as defensive player of the year.

Oh and that absolutely dismal shooting percentage! You’d think he’d be way over 60%! What a pathetic sophomore showing.

How could anyone ever have wanted him over a guy who couldn’t bench his own weight once? Everyone knows its the weaklings of the league that turn into superstar scorers after all.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 18, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get you

I think the same all the time but if I try to argue against it I’m labeled as a homer ( which I am ). It is what it is, but I hope Greg can prove em wrong.

Lover of everything Batum.
#88

by RyanRTE on Mar 18, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he already has.

The point people forget is that Greg has already performed as well as many veteran big men, save for the foul trouble which he was already working himself out of. His shot percentage, his defense and his rebounding can’t be discounted unless you’re driven by nothing but emotion in your evaluation and have already decided he’s a bust and aren’t mentally flexible enough to admit you’re lack of omniscience.

The idea that his injuries – which aren’t connected, and therefore can’t logically be called a trend or even something that could have been foreseen – can be the one determining factor as to whether or not he’s successful at the NBA level is absurd. Unrelated means unrelated and therefore not caused by one another or indicative of each other at all.

You can’t predict that he’ll ever have a major injury again based only on the past. You also can’t predict that Kevin Durant will never have a major injury during his career. It is always easy to focus on the negative when that is all you see at the present, but frankly I think that you have to be very mentally lazy to discount all that Greg has done and is capable of doing when he is healthy and anyone capable of performing like he did early this season would never be considered a bust, regardless of average points scored in comparison to Durant because Durant certainly can’t defend like Oden and never will.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 18, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did see him play this year.

For a handful of games. Then he went down with another season ending injury. That is why there are “haters” (i.e. people who realize most people who start their careers like Oden fade in to obscurity).

by GMan83201 on Mar 19, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a little disappointed that now it sounds like he won't be coming back. Like Dave said, it would

probably only mean limited action because he’d go through the foul trouble trying to get back to form. I’ve accepted it now we’ll have to wait until next season. If we make it to the finals I want to see Greg out there though ;)

by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 18, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, it really sounds like no way he will play this year

too much reconditioning to do.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Mar 19, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok,this season.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Mar 19, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm. does that mean he is still walking with a cane?

just remember greg. all great competitors lie their a&*e@ off to get back on the court. unless you are talking about the zbos who basically do the opposite.

by Captain fruit on Mar 18, 2010 3:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Great so no progress on finding different help for Greg?

Just gonna send him back to Jay Jensen a 3rd time and expect a different outcome? I would feel better about it if Jay Jensen didn’t just say that all of these incidents were just bad luck. Don’t know if we can expect a different outcome folks. Will this team ever learn?

Blazer Pride.

by loyal_blazer on Mar 18, 2010 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

blaming Jensen

for Oden’s problems is called “projection,” where you project the blame that belongs to one person on to another.

by GMan83201 on Mar 19, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm scratching my head also

Jensen says this injury was bad luck: that the knee cap was healthy bone that was torn apart by a tremendously strong muscle contraction. He talks a lot about how strong GO’s legs are. Then he talks a lot about the need to make them stronger. Er, does this make sense?

Hey, I get that GO must strengthen his quad post-surgery. I rehabbed for 1 1/2 years from an ACL reconstruction, and much of that time & effort was focused on getting the surgical leg’s quad strength to the level of the non-surgical one. But is it possible that GO’s non-surgical quad (the one he rehabbed before) is too strong to begin with? Could it be that GO’s very work-ethic following his microfracture surgery has worked against him—and will work against him again?

Jensen is a pro trainer and one would expect that he’s very well-versed in such issues. I’m not. But I do know that BALANCE is often overlooked in many areas of life. You can have too much of a good thing—including muscle strength & explosiveness. Do you think Andre Miller would be the iron man he is if he worked out like a fiend all off-season like he’s “supposed to?” I just can’t help wondering if the Blazers’ training staff is up to snuff. And nothing in this article reassured me.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Mar 22, 2010 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Injuries

OK folks, regarding Oden being “injury prone”. A personal story. For 20 years of my life I never broke a bone. Then I broke my arm, followed 6 months later by dislocating the other arm. I then went another 10 years without a major injury. Does that make me injury prone? Sometimes random events just get randomly grouped together.

I expect him to come back next year and be a major force for the Blazers.

You pick, then you roll. It ain't so hard. Let's try it out.

by CaptHustle on Mar 19, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

if its truly random

There will be clumps together. People subconsciously think random is equally spread apart but thats not random.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Mar 19, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Klumps.

fart jokes together

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Mar 19, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more chance

That’s my opinion. If he gets injured again I hope the Blazers don’t give up on him, but start building a team that doesn’t need him.

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by almost awesome on Mar 19, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you read the article?

IT said Oden’s knee bone was dense and healthy, the fracture caused by an incredibly strong contraction of his hulk-like quad. Oden often looked like a rookie in that his adrenaline was running too high… if he can make it far enough into a season to find a psychological comfort zone within the NBA grind, I’m sure he has a chance to have a long healthy career. And from there its no question he makes Portland a title contender. I don’t want to see any of you Oden-haters at the games when he’s carrying us to the finals!

by acorn on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

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