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It would be nice

But LMA and GO are starters in this league. Done and done.

I'm gonna be the only A-hole that owns a Nic Batum jersey that doesn't live in France. Awesome.

by CoRBBall on Mar 16, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Personally I would give up LMA and Rudy or Webster for Bosh.

dunno about all 3 of them though. I think Bosh is just as good of a complimentary post player as Aldridge but way better at being the dominant guy if Oden can’t string together a healthy season (which is looking more and more likely all the time. Too bad we can’t just add Bosh though. A 3 man big rotation of Bosh LMA and Oden would be great.

by Escrote on Mar 16, 2010 8:28 AM PDT reply actions  

even though Bosh is my fave player outside the Blazers

how bout we do like Mychael Thompson said, and make L.A. play more in the post. I know its kinda pointless to say that at this point but hes smart for saying it. I thought last summer that we should have put some incentives in his contract regarding a certain number of shots/gm from approx. 8 feet or less.

by 64-18 on Mar 16, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is good,probably a little better than LMA,

but not enough of an upgrade to lose sleep over. His knees look shaky and for all his hype and all star games, he has yet to put a team on his back and take them anywhere, anywhere at all.

He’s probably the best second banana in the league, but he’s a second banana.

by raoulduke on Mar 16, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

And LMA has done that?

Please. Bosh would be a HUGE upgrade over LMA, hands down.

I’d do LA/Martell/hmmmnotsure for Bosh in a heartbeat.

by pdxrob on Mar 16, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say Bosh is more than a little better than LA.

Bosh has a lot more in his low post arsenal than Aldridge does. Also, he plays much tougher defense. No, he’s probably not the kinda guy you can have as your best player and win a title, but the Blazers already have that.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Mar 16, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Bosh is not much older than LMA at all though.

More experience sure, but we’d be lucky for LMA to reach where Bosh is at right now. I’d trade LMA for him immediately if given the option (that is a re-signed Bosh, not for 13 games) and I love Aldridge.

by Bskey on Mar 16, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge has been remarkably injury free for a big man, and has never had any knee trouble.

I’m not sure that will be true for Bosh. He braces his knees up big time. We’ll see.

by raoulduke on Mar 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

bosh is LMA's ceiling

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by thomasikehara on Mar 16, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

So in three years when Aldridge is hitting his ceiling, Bosh will be on the slide. So we should trade

Aldridge for Bosh and throw in a couple or three rotation players as well as paying for a max contract.

I’m pretty sure KP won’t be doing that.

by raoulduke on Mar 16, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

how

they are the same age

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by thomasikehara on Mar 16, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite. So maybe Bosh won't be on a noticeable slide, if his knees hold up, but I don't

see a big payoff for the cost. Luckily, since I’m not the GM for Portland, I’m not in a position to personally crush anyone’s dreams of a Bosh upgrade. It just doesn’t turn my crank is all.

There is more to be gained, far more efficiently, elsewhere in the rotation.

by raoulduke on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

all about our window to win

we have the next 5 years or so (Brandon Roy’s contract) to really make a push, why not get a guy like Bosh? we wouldn’t have to give up much more than LMA, maybe Rudy or Martel

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 16, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA has likely reached his ceiling. He's not improving and he's in his 4th year.

Chances are, he’s leveled off.

He’s not going to be anywhere near the player Bosh is.

Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984

by jksnake99 on Mar 16, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking "best case scenario"

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by thomasikehara on Mar 16, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I point to increased rebounding and FG%

How do you say he is not improving? Considering the emerging scorers we have I am not surprised to see his ppg come down (still less than 2 points!) since last season. And people are right when they talk about the low post moves that he has but doesn’t tap into.

4th year is not when players level off, especially of Aldridge’s type (the more mental rather than instinctual player.) You are going to eat your words in the next few years as you watch Aldridge progress. It might be slower than some players but he is definitely progressing and has a long way he can still improve towards. I would be unsurprised to see him quite good, but still getting better, in 3 years.

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 16, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

people have been saying this for years with Aldridge

the fact is that by the 4th year, players are generally pretty close to their ceiling.

LMA’s PERs by season: 17.1, 18.5, 19.1, 17.8
by comparison, Bosh’s: 15.1, 17.5, 23.2, 22.6, 23.8, 22.1, 25.5.

I expect Bosh to return to the 22-23 level he’d established as his “norm.” As you can see, both players seemed to reach a plateau fairly early. Bosh’s just happened to be a plateau several tiers above Aldridge’s.

While Aldridge is rebounding at a slightly higher rate, he’s scoring at essentially the same efficiency (.534 TS% vs. .529 last year) despite being involved in fewer possessions (as measured by usage). His block rate has fallen to an unbelievably bad 1.2% (among the worst shotblocking seasons ever for a guy his height) and both his post defense and his help defense (after a guard gets beat) remain putrid. The only thing he’s doing better this year than last is defensive rebounding, but his numbers there are still really bad or a 4.

Aldridge is a good player, a step down from all-star level. Bosh is a superstar. Its like comparing a healthy in-top-form Roy to Kevin Martin.

Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
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by jksnake99 on Mar 16, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

First off I decidedly didnt mention blocks because that is embarrassing

So you can obviously see what my bias is here :D

second… no i really dont have a comeback. Bosh does a lot more for his team than Aldridge does for us, no denying that.

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

probably a little better than LMA?

wow.

We are talking about the difference between a top 10 player and someone not even in the top 50. Its an enormous difference. A chasm.

Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
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by jksnake99 on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

not even in top 50?

way to completely underestimate Aldridge for the sake of your failed argument attempt

by 64-18 on Mar 16, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

its arguable if lma is top 50.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Mar 16, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Bosh::LaMarcus Aldridge

Brandon Roy::Kevin Martin
Empire Strikes Back::Return of the Jedi
Johnny Cash::Toby Keith

Analogies are fun!

by GMan83201 on Mar 16, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would trade LMA to get Bosh in a heartbeat

Bosh is just as potent a scorer – and a WAY better rebounder, shotblocker, and passer

He would be a HUGE upgrade over LaMarcus, I would easily send LMA and Martell (or Rudy) out to get him, it’s a no-brainer

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 16, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

remember the Olympics?

he bumped Dwight Howard out of the starting lineup because Coach K said he was the best big man defender on the team – not to mention the 20+ points and 10+ boards he averages

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 16, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

another thing to consider is

that bosh only 1 year older than lamarcus

Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum

by thomasikehara on Mar 16, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

As old

As Greg’s wrinkles…you do the math.

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
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by DonkeyShins on Mar 16, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

We keep talking about how we'd like Bosh here,

but there’s been rumors that this guy doesn’t want to be a complementary star, which is what he’d be on this team.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/basketball/2010/02/13/12865191-sun.html

Although keep in mind still that these are rumors, so take it for what it’s worth.

by tblazers on Mar 16, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

another reason why Portland should sign him

Roy isn’t on the same level as Wade or Lebron, so I bet Bosh would feel more comfortable here. He’s not merely a 2nd banana, he’s option 1b.

Roy and Bosh…..Bosh and Roy…..man oh man that sounds good.

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by Magnum on Mar 16, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

just think of toronto had taken roy

those two would already be together

Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum

by thomasikehara on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

thats what toronto fans think on a regular basis. but instead they got the amazing andrea. isnt she supposed to be a cheerleader?

by 64-18 on Mar 16, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Bosh and Roy might work together

But I am more worried about the low post, where you have Bosh and Oden competing for points/rebounds. We might get some good play there, but Bosh would physically play second fiddle to Oden while Oden was healthy.

If we just had Camby and Pryzbilla I would trade depth for Bosh, but because Oden is still a possibility it seems like a waste.

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 16, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh has a great mid range and perimeter game...

he can even hit an occasional 3 ball. Best of both World’s IMO.

by Escrote on Mar 16, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is my dream PF

But It’s not likely. I’m fine with moving forward with LMA, too.

Lover of everything Batum.
#88

by RyanRTE on Mar 16, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Offer them LMA, Rudy, and Bayless

Depth gets you wins in the regular season, but stars get you wins in the playoffs.

Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!

by axel360 on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

plus

kp can always draft more depth in the second round of the draft

Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum

by thomasikehara on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Realistically...

Bosh gets more rebounds because there are alot more rebounds to get with the Raptors… and nobody else who wants them. Also he scores more because his team scores more (kinda ties in with the rebound thing).

I am not saying that Bosh isn’t at least marginally better then LMA but I am saying he’s not as much better as numbers imply. Certainly not worth giving up LMA, Rudy and Bayless for.

Seems like a case of wanting what you DON’T have and not appreciating what you DO have. (Same reason divorce rates are so high). The grass isn’t always greener and even when it is is takes alot of fertilizing and mowing…

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

true.

with greg and joel (or camby), bosh would grab 8 rpg, about what aldridge was pulling down even with them in the lineup (this season and last). his scoring would also go down, probably to about 20 ppg tho. the difference is defense, toughness and a desire to win. but the only way we can do this is a sign and trade anyway, and kp would probly try for a stud PG 1st. cuz then we would have all 5 positions set.

by 64-18 on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

no dude

Bosh gets more rebounds because he’s tougher and more aggressive

He scores more because he does more than shoot fadeaway jumpshots all game

LaMarcus is 25th in the league in rebounding @ 8.1 – while being the only legit big man on our team for a large chunk of the season ( not to mention he’s 6’11" and long), while Bosh is 6th at 11.2/game. Tat’s a big difference, and its not because “there are more rebounds to get” with the Raptors, what does that even mean? – and I’m pretty sure Bargnani, Amir Johnson and those guys want them too

He’s VASTLY better than LMA in every practical productivity statistical measure -or just watch him play and you’ll see the difference

I appreciate LMA but Bosh is a completely different animal – and would be a huge upgrade, LMA is soft for being a 6’11" power forward, no other way to put it

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 16, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The answer is obviously somewhere between you two

Toronto players have more chances at points and thus rebounds so you have to admit that number could be slightly inflated. Its like watching GSW play or something, all the numbers get inflated a bit and you have to have a grain of salt with it.

That said there is a noticeable difference in attitude between the two. I think if LaMarcus had played in Toronto in Bosh’s place (#1 option) the numbers would be remarkable similar, however I will concede that Bosh’s would likely be consistently higher simply because he seems to ‘want it more’. Talent wise I would rate them similar (not that I’m an expert cuz I know many will disagree) but Bosh has more of a winning attitude at the moment.

Accepting my judgement on this (ie suspend your own) would you trade Rudy/Martell/other depth for a winning attitude? What if you could simply stick Bosh’s attitude on LMA? (oh man that might actually be the best… except that i would wanna keep the dreads lol) I could perhaps be convinced but it is close…

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

just in response to your comments

1) Portland attempts 78FG/game @ 46% shooting, Toronto attempts 80/game @48% shooting

There are 77.6FG attempted AGAINST Portland/game, 83 against Toronto – and they both allow exactly 46.7% FG shooting

So it’s not like there are a ton more points available in Toronto with only 2 more FG attempted each game, and there are maybe 3-4 defensive rebounds available in Toronto, but that’s for the whole team, not one player

In other words its not like they’re Golden State averaging 86 FGA and allowing 85, they actually play at a very similar pace so you can’t justify the difference in their stats based on their team’s play

2) I don’t agree that if LMA played in Toronto the #s would be similar – because Lamarcus only takes fadeaway post jumpers and 18-20 jumpers, while Bosh attacks the rim MUCH more frequently (8.6 FT/game – #1 among PF, while Aldridge attempts just 3.8 – 15th) It’s not as much “wanting it more” as a more aggressive attitude and approach, which can also be seen in the rebounding #s I posted above – LMA averages .5 blocks per game(24th among PF, while Bosh averages 1.02 – 9th) To put that in perspective, Boris Diaw and Danillo Galinari average more blocks than LMA – that’s just a lack of agression

3) I would easily give up LMA and either Martell or Rudy (plus a st round draft pick – we don’t need any right now) to get Bosh – I’d do it in a heartbeat. If you stuck Bosh’s attitude in LMA – you’d have, well, Chris Bosh

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 16, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...dude.

How many outside jumpers did Bosh take the other night against us… A BUNCH. He was hitting them that’s for sure but he hasn’t been since returning hitting only 36% from the field. Did he look soft?

Bosh plays for a team that is 4th in the league in scoring (104.4/gm.)… Aldridge plays for a team that is 20th (98.4). It is obvious to me that total points scored by a team have an impact on individual averages. I also understand that whereas Bosh leads his team in percentage of points scored at 23% of the total… LaMarcus is second on his team to Roy at 18% of the total (Roy is at 23%… Bargani is second for the Raptors at 16%). These factors have to be considered.

You…and several others… have made an Apples to Oranges comparison in my book. The two players while similar in body play completely different roles for teams with completely different styles. Numbers aren’t everything. Bosh is the first option on a weaker team…LMA is the second option on a stronger, deeper team.

If I choose to judge with my eyes I see LMA absolutely OWNING Bosh and Co. early in the game Sunday. I believe LMA had 6 rebs. in the first 3-4 mins of the game and Bosh is not the one who slowed him down, the bench guys did if anyone. LMA had a Double, Double at halftime… Bosh 7 rebs. for the game. I know this was just one game but I think it spoke volumes. If Bosh wouldn’t have shot an outrageously high % from outside this game would have been a blow out!.. and LMA would have been the clear cut better player for that night.

I stand by my feeling that while Bosh may be considered a “better” player he is not worth LMA, Rudy and Bayless for THIS team. If Greg comes back we don’t need a Bosh inside. If Greg doesn’t come back we need more then just another PF trying to be a C.

IMO

by Ilikeemall on Mar 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're taking all your points from one game

your entire argument is based on what happened in one game – with the Raptos playing on the road…and you just contradicted yourself – “if Bosh hadn’t shot such a high % it would have been a blowout” – EXACTLY…his team sucks and he still killed, without him they’d be a league doormat. And he was taking outside jumpers because they were packing the lane against him – and as you said he was hitting them. You’re other point also argues against your overall message – Bosh is the focus of their offense and thus THE ENTIRE FOCUS of every team’s defense against the Raptors, with Bargnani being a distant second threat, whereas LMA has defenses keying on BRoy and our other players as well.

so the Raptors score 6 more points per game than the Blazers do..ok..but that’s the entire team – if Bosh scores 23% of his teams points – that’s like 1ppg more, where his average is much higher than that compared to LMA….and does nothing to explain the huge disparity in Free Throws attempted (one of the major “soft indicators”), rebound rate, or blocked shots.

I won’t relist the PER numbers listed above in this thread – but they show Bosh is a supremely better player. Numbers aren’t everything – but when they all support the same end result – you can’t ignore them. And how is the comparison Apples and Oranges – when they’re both 6’11" power forwards with nice offensive games – where’s the difference????

In judging with your eyes, you are citing ONE HALF of ONE GAME – Aldridge does not OWN Bosh at all. LMA plays on a better team with a much better supporting cast – and I think that’s swaying you. And your comment “if Greg comes back we don’t need Bosh inside”…how so? So you’re saying when Oden comes back we don’t need LMA either – since we’d have to trade him to get Bosh? How does that make sense? If anything – Bosh would be a GREAT compliment to Oden – and would be able to focus more on scoring and tracking down long rebounds with Greg patrolling the middle and blocking shots. Right now Bosh has to essentially play center for Toronto (Bargnani is the 4 and he is soft as new play-dough)

Don’t get me wrong – I like LMA alright, but EVERY statistic out there, in addition to just a visible difference – shows that Bosh is a way better player – and in my post I didn’t say I’d trade LMA, Rudy, AND Bayless to get him, but I would do LMA, Ruy/Martell, and a draft pick in a heartbeat

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 17, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also he scores more because his team scores more (kinda ties in with the rebound thing).

LA has taken more shots this year than Bosh. That has nothing to do with team scoring. Bosh scores more because he is better.

by In Walks Rudy on Mar 16, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOPE not at all

Bosh does not get more points because his team scores more. He gets more points because he’s a better scorer.

Bosh has 961 FGA’s on the season. LMA has 965.

Bosh is just tremendously more efficient than LMA.

by boppitywop on Mar 17, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting comments from Thompson

Can anyone point me at a blog or article that discusses and theorizes why LaMarcus is just a jump-shooter? Is it him? Nate? Both (at what ratio)?
I got to tell you, I find it more than a little frustrating.

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by almost awesome on Mar 17, 2010 2:42 AM PDT reply actions  

he has always played that game

despite his height – he has always been more of a finesse player, even in his high school days and college days as Texas. If he had that outside shooting, fadeaway post jumpshot game IN ADDITION to an aggressive style where he also tried to get to the the rim and finish with up-and-unders (he has the footwork and touch to play a lot like Hakeem Olajuwon did) he would be pretty much unstoppable.

It’s unique for a player of his height to have that kind of offensive skill set – but it cripples him that its ALL he does. 3.6 free throws per game for a PF that gets that many touches and is that good is borderline shameful

by rip_city_swagger on Mar 17, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

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