Media Row Report: Blazers 109 Raptors 98
Portland Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan said that his team's Sunday night opponent, the Toronto Raptors, were "desperate for a win," a reference to a losing streak that sat at 4 games following a Saturday night loss to the Golden State Warriors. Unfortunately for Raptors fans, the Blazers' persuasive 109-98 home victory only further exposed and exploited that desperation.
The Raptors have defensive liabilities at virtually every position and the Blazers systematically picked those holes apart; It was as meticulous an offensive effort as the Blazers have put together in some time. In a free-flowing, back-and-forth game that one might have expected to favor the offensively-proficient, defensively-inept Raptors, the Blazers eagerly racked up points from all sides, getting out to a big first half lead and never looking back.
The only real concern for McMillan tonight, it seemed, was holding on to his team's offensive lightning now that he has finally captured it. "I like the rhythm, I like the feel with the guys right now," he noted after the game before referencing his team's long layoff until it's next game, Friday at home against the Washington Wizards. "These next four days, you can lose your rhythm, you kinda hate that you're not playing."
For a team that's struggled through a rigorous schedule, dealt with more injuries than one can count and finds itself in a dogfight in the lower rungs of the Western Conference playoff chase, decrying the time off seems almost sacrilegious. But when you play a game like the Blazers did tonight and another weak sister of the East looms on the schedule, it's understandable why the team would want to simply get on with it.
Instead, they'll be able to kick up their collective feet and enjoy what will undoubtedly be the easiest week of the entire season.
Random Game Notes
- Hedo Turkoglu was roundly booed during introductions and it didn't stop until he left the court. The jumbotron and television cameras both caught a sign that read, "Mrs. Turkoglu, thanks for Andre," a reference to the Blazers' settling for Miller after failing to sign Turkoglu last summer when, reportedly, his wife helped convince him to spurn the Blazers for the more metropolitan Toronto. Tonight, Turkoglu went through the motions like so many slightly above average players on slightly below average teams. His shot was falling (4 of 5 from deep), he was careless with the basketball (4 turnovers) and he did not impact the game on the boards or on the defensive end. Don't look now but it could be a really, really, really long 5 years.
- Something I hadn't noticed during Chris Bosh's previous trips to the Rose Garden is how quickly and effortlessly he gets warm. Bosh came out to get in a few shots roughly an hour before the game and didn't need any time at all to calibrate his motion or work into his touch. Swish, swish, swish, right out of the gate. It's difficult to think of another player his size that possesses both his immediate shooting feel and his easy textbook motion. You could kidnap this guy at 3 AM, drive him hours into the wilderness, shine a flashlight into his eyes, spin him around in a circle 10 times and then give him a basketball and he would hit 8 of his first 10 from anywhere on the court inside 20 feet. His overall shooting on the evening -- 9 of 14 from the field plus 10 of 12 from the line for 28 points -- showed exactly why he is at or near the top of the league tables in offensive efficiency. But just 3 field goal attempts in the 4th quarter as his team is trying to mount a comeback. That's criminal.
- If there's one thing that really irks me about Bosh it is his squandered potential on the defensive end. He can bang with most 5s, grab rebounds with any 4 and patrol the perimeter as well as many 3s. Alongside a rim-guarding center or in the right system, his length, quickness and agility would have ultra-elite potential. Tonight, other than a few brilliant flashes -- when he moved from defending his man on the left block out to above the foul line on the right side to defend a pick and roll in the blink of an eye, for example -- Bosh looked like a man who was sick of going it alone on defense and on the glass. I can't really blame him for that. Sure is frustrating to watch.
- I also wouldn't blame Bosh for finding his way out of Toronto this summer. As Raptors fans are the separated-at-birth and smuggled across the border twins of Blazers fans, I would hate to say anything that might cross them in the slightest. But there has to be a better fit for Bosh's talents and a better collection of supporting pieces somewhere else. One can't help but wonder if Bosh -- in the midst of a 1-9 streak over the last 10 games, with his team back under .500 again -- is reaching that same conclusion.
- The presence of Marcus Camby defensively made life exponentially easier for Aldridge tonight. With Camby harassing Bosh defensively and tying him up on the boards, Aldridge was free to work on Andrea Bargnani offensively and to track Bargnani defensively in a way that he wouldn't have been able to prior to the trade. Camby's rebounding numbers (6) were modest tonight but Aldridge is the game's leading rebounder because Camby played alongside him for the majority of the game.
- Tonight we saw the return of another Nike Hoop Summit veteran, DeMar DeRozan, the 2008 game's MVP. DeRozan has come a long way in the roughly two years since that game, which saw what seemed like his entire extended family swarm the Rose Garden's media room wearing matching blue shirts that read "Straight Outta Compton" next to a picture of his face. The NBA: transforming boys to men like daycare. DeRozan's offensive skillset remains limited but is occasionally spectacular, as witnessed by a rim-shaking dunk over Brandon Roy that led to some sustained oohing and aahing. DeRozan played within himself well enough, not forcing shots or committing turnovers, but it was almost to a fault. You get the sense that much more will be required from him offensively as soon as he's ready and that the Raptors could really use him to be ready right now.
- On defense I liked DeRozan's commitment and effort. As you might expect for a rookie lining up against Brandon Roy, he didn't consistently get the results necessary to get a W or even the results needed to keep him on the court for true starter's minutes. But he closed out on shooters hard and regularly, getting frustrated when Portland's shots kept falling over his outstretched arms. At one point, Raptors coach Jay Triano clapped encouragement for DeRozan's effort from the bench as another long shot went down over his fingertips. It happens.
- Perhaps my eyes are deceiving me but DeRozan seems to have grown height wise too. Maybe it was because he was standing next to fellow rookie Patty Mills, who does wonders for everyone's relative height, as they chatted near the player's garage after the game. Speaking of Mills, I hope you saw this hilarious picture of him attending the Boys 6A final last night. The man he's avoiding is not a stranger, it's his former coach at St. Mary's.
- 7 members of this year's Blazers have rooting interests in the 2010 NCAA men's basketball tournament: Greg Oden (Ohio State), Joel Przybilla (Minnesota), Travis Diener (Marquette), Dante Cunningham (Villanova), Brandon Roy (Washington), LaMarcus Aldridge (Texas) and Mills (St. Mary's). Roy, never subtle when it comes to his Dawg pedigree, showed up in the locker room after the game wearing his old UW jersey in white with his name/number on it and everything. There was a noticeable skip to his step during pregame too thanks to Washington's Pac 10 tournament title win on Saturday.
- Please join the Blazersedge readers NCAA bracket contest here. I'm in there, a bunch of other bloggers are in there and you should join so you can beat us to a pulp.
- Martell Webster: 5 minutes, 1 shot, 3 points. Feeling the squeeze. Very quiet in the locker room afterwards.
Nate McMillan's Post Game Comments
Consistency and Batum were keys to the win?
I think it's both of those things that you just mentioned. The fact that we're starting to build some chemistry and learn how to play with each other. We've adjusted some of our sets as far as where Brandon and LaMarcus and Miller are getting the ball. The continuity with these guys being together for the last few games, that's important. I think it's all of the above. They're pretty much connected, or starting to get connected, both offensively and defensively. Learning to play off of each other.
Batum's game
I thought he got back to focusing on the defensive end of the floor. He allowed the offense to come to him. I felt like in the last week or so he was pressing to match that performance in Minnesota and he allowed the game to just come to him. He's going to get open shots just because of who he is on the floor with. It's just a matter of knocking those down. Tonight he knocked those threes down. If he can continue to do that, which we think he can, it's certainly going to help us.
Getting out early makes life easier
Well, you know, playing 48 minute game is what we talk about every night. Building that rhythm and executing on both ends of the floor has been the challenge pretty much all season. And then putting teams away, when we have the opportunity to put teams away, doing that. And you know it's nice to go into Sacramento on a back to back knowing that that team is waiting for you and have a solid effort on both ends of the floor. Come home against a team that desperately needs a win, you know they are going to come out and fight, a team that can score, and you pretty much control this game. I like the rhythm, I like the feel with the guys right now. These next four days, you can lose your rhythm, you kinda hate that you're not playing. It's an opportunity to give our guys a rest, a much needed rest and get ready for Washington.
Big offensive rebounding advantage
Adjusting our sets and different type of attack as far as where we're getting Brandon and LaMarcus and things we're doing on the weakside when these guys have the ball, Miller when he has the ball. I think LaMarcus and Camby are doing a nice job of, if they don't get the offensive rebounds, they're tipping them out and giving us extra possessions. Nic has always been pretty good offensively. That's a lot of length. Martell when he's in there. Rudy. Andre's normally under the boards. We're doing a good job of attacking if that defense commits or overloads a side.
Best basketball of the season?
I think we're playing good. And again I think what we're seeing now is this team starting to get a feel, I'm starting to get a feel for them as far as our sets and our plays that we can run, things we can do on the floor and hopefully we get better. We should get better as we finish this season.
Opportunity to move up in the standings playing like this?
We're basically focusing on ourselves and knowing that we are still in that 8th spot with Memphis working to catch up and Houston, those teams. But we also have an opportunity to move up and just take care of business. If we take care of business out on the floor we don't worry about where we finish as long as we're in the playoffs. If we're winning we'll have that opportunity to move up. If we stop dropping games you put yourself in danger of not getting in.
Offense is better with team motion than when slowed down with focus on Brandon?
Sometimes we do get a little stagnant but we're taking advantage of the defense. Brandon, any time we put him in any type of pin downs or pick and rolls they are double teaming. So we're spreading the floor and allowing him to create and force that defense to make a decision. That's part of the offense. Get Brandon, LaMarcus, Miller isos and playing off of them. They are guys who play better with isolations than they do with ... those guys don't move a lot.
Would you agree offense is better with motion?
It's Rudy that has the motion. We try to run Rudy around. We take advantage of Rudy when he's in the game. But that was Rudy. The same thing happened in Golden State. Rudy got 3s because Brandon was isolated or Miller was isolated and teams lost him. I ain't going to mess with what's working.
Camby
He's been a factor on both ends of the floor. On the offensive glass. With the tip ins and the offensive rebounds and then defensively we felt he could defend and that's what we expected to get from him. And we're getting there. I think our weakside is getting a little better, we can be better. That's what he does. Defensively clog, block shots, rebound the ball and offensively he's been big getting offensive rebounds or tipping it out and giving us extra possessions.
Getting Camby used to playing with first unit
Well because he's going to be out there it's very important just so we can figure out how to play with that group being out on the floor. Having this team and knowing this is the team we're going to finish with and not having to make all the adjustments from game to game with injuries, guys missing games, allows those guys to get into a rhythm and it allows me to get into a rhythm, as far as what we want to do and how we want to do it.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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I thought this exchange was very enlightening
Brandon, any time we put him in any type of pin downs or pick and rolls they are double teaming. So we’re spreading the floor and allowing him to create and force that defense to make a decision. That’s part of the offense. Get Brandon, LaMarcus, Miller isos and playing off of them. They are guys who play better with isolations than they do with … those guys don’t move a lot.
Would you agree offense is better with motion?
It’s Rudy that has the motion. We try to run Rudy around. We take advantage of Rudy when he’s in the game. But that was Rudy. The same thing happened in Golden State. Rudy got 3s because Brandon was isolated or Miller was isolated and teams lost him. I ain’t going to mess with what’s working
This kind of flies in the face of what McMillan’s critics (like Dwight Jaynes) have been saying. When the team puts Roy or other players in motion it allows the defense to more-easily double team the man with the ball? It would interesting to see a video session on this concept with Nate narrating and wielding “the clicker”
“I ain’t gonna mess with what’s working” You tell ’em, coach. Your roster is scoring over 100 ppg more consistently than any Portland team since the mid-90s. Pace, schmace
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Mar 15, 2010 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
great point
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It was working great pre-playoffs last season too
playoffs are a different animal brah
by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Mar 15, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
meh
last year Brandon was the only reliable creative force. With Andre in there and Jerryd effective some nights, this team has a lot more options on offense, despite the rather vanilla scheme.
We had a bad experience last year in the Playoffs
but from what I see, the playoffs are mostly about ISO’s, much more than the regular season. The games slow down, get more physical, cutting gets harder.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
In my book it was our first experience
Being the first time in a while is not a bad experience. The fact that we got there and played against a very good team was a good experience in my book.
The ISO part, is above my head.
hg
I agree we did fairly well for the first time in years
and the first time for most(all?) of our players. Also… we lost 2 games by a combined 3 points.
Cake or Death?
and this year's team has a different dynamic with Miller instead of Blake at PG
brah
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
sorry to waste my comment above - I didn't notice that you don't watch games
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't understand
why Nate doesn’t use Webster, Fernandez, Cunningham, even Camby as cutters when Roy is iso on the wing. They’re quick and good leapers.
as I understand the quotes above
the cutters make it easier for the defense to double the Blazer’s scoring object (Roy, LMA) If these players are put in ISO, the defense can still try to double them, but it’s easier for the ballhandler to recognize the opponent’s rotation and find the open man (Rudy “gets lost” on the corner, etc)
Dwight and other critics can say that Nate’s offense “lacks imagination” but they may not be seeing the big picture (in fact, Jaynes was complaining about the team’s defense this AM, instead of harping on the Nate’s offense) I think Portland has more-versatile scoring options this year than last (Miller and Batum versus Blake and Outlaw) and if they’re all on the same page the offense may be able to “do some things” in the post season. Certainly, the 100+ scoring average following the trade speaks well of the synergy between the current starters and key reserves. And there’s practice time this month to improve on their execution
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
so,
a poster on oregonlive said that greg oden tweeted that he’s looking forward to returning before the end of the season. does anyone have a link to his twitter?
Resident Smartass.
so, what is our crystal ball predicting for martell?
Trade?
no-resign?
execution?
Or a highly paid bench player?
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
by Eat Politicians on Mar 15, 2010 1:44 AM PDT reply actions
pretty fair contract, I think
I thought he played well in his 5 minutes last night and, in hindsight, might have been better to give him some of Rudy’s 2nd half minutes (since Rudy didn’t have the 2nd quarter magic). He’s an injury to Roy or Batum away from the regular rotation. I’m warding off the evil eye now
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
You would think Martell has earned more minutes
After his torrid performance in January he’s been relegated to the end of the bench. I feel for the guy – you’d think after the trade of Trout and Blake he’d be getting more minutes as (1) a SF and (2) a 3-point specialist since that’s what we lost in the trade.
I guess Nate knows best – I just hope that Martell doesn’t get too discouraged.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
And to be fair
Martell’s defensive play has been sporadic since January and we all know how well he shoots when he plays scant minutes – not sure what caused the drop-off but it isn’t helping his case to get more minutes (although I think the stat analysis on B.E. a month or so back that showed his optimal playing time might be something for Martell to wave under Nate or Monty’s nose).
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
3pt specialist????
Who gave everybody that idea? Martel by shooting nothing but 3’s. That doesn’t make him a specialist, that makes him live in a make believe world.
Martell’s playing time is due to the fact that he is very inconsistent and gets moody when he is not hitting his threes. He is like a movie star living off Adrenalin. He is either on top or on bottom there is no such thing as in between, or hero or heel.
Martell has so much more to offer then shooting the 3 ball and when he does the other things it really shows up; he just refuses to get it out of his head that his three is not yet there and he needs to do the other things.
hg
Martell is as close to a 3-point specialist...
as anyone (with perhaps the exception of Rudy) on the Blazers’ roster. I don’t think it is a “…make believe world.” but the role that Nate wants him to play primarily when he’s on the floor (with occasional forays into the paint for dunks). If you read my original post, I’m pointing out that he’s filling the role of 3-point specialist that Blake had last year on the roster (e.g. camp out in the corner and wait for the defense to collapse and catch and shoot).
I agree with you that Martell has more to offer, especially in regards to defense (where he’s shown he can play very well indeed when he’s motivated and focused), I’m not sure what’s the cause and what’s the effect: his loss of focus or his loss of playing time, since with Martell that is a two-way street.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
I think we have two arguments going on.
I agree with you on the role of camping out on the 3 point line waiting for the shot. I have often said that Nate should keep the small forward more involved in the game.. In fact I criticize Nate tor the same thing further down the comments. I am only disagreeing with you on the specialist part and I misunderstood you on that. I don’t think Martell is a 3 pt specialist because he is to inconsistent to play that role in Nate’s system. Steve could usually make enough each game to spread the D. With Martell, they ignored him because he goes whole games without making a three, then they ran fast breaks off the miss until he makes a couple, by then they cripple us because we live or die by his three point shooting. That was my disagreement of him being a specialist.
In short, IMO, it hasn’t anything to do with the amount of PT, because he had that once. It may be Nate’s system and he loses interest. That is what I feel is the problem and he does have the Nickname of Hollywood.
hg
I am feeling that Martell is the odd man out in the Blazers
I do believe he is a player who could be a starter for some team that needs him, and he knows, or at least believes, this.
He needs playing time on a team that needs him enough to give it to him so he can settle in and play his best. I am feeling he is better off on such a team, and will be traded. I wish him all the best. (I am not mentioning how an injury could open a door)
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
I don't know what kind of drugs Nate is on.
Our offense was not that good. We hit 12 3s so of course we’re going to ‘look’ good. We didn’t score enough points in the paint and our fg% was average. The defense is still bad and if not for the hot shooting of Batum and Rudy, this game would have gone to the wire and who knows what would have happened.
Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled that we won just not with the defense and how Nate is gushing about the offense. He talks like we’re playing like a top 5 team right now and we are not. We are still taking way too many perimeter shots and still too many Roy ISOs.
Nate said,
“Sometimes we do get a little stagnant but we’re taking advantage of the defense. Brandon, any time we put him in any type of pin downs or pick and rolls they are double teaming. So we’re spreading the floor and allowing him to create and force that defense to make a decision. That’s part of the offense. Get Brandon, LaMarcus, Miller isos and playing off of them. They are guys who play better with isolations than they do with … those guys don’t move a lot.”
So I guess we are only going to play well if Roy does? I hate the Nate’s idea of a good offense is about ISOs. A system predicated on player and ball movement does not seem to be a part of our future instead we have to indure ISOs and unimaginative offensive gameplans from Nate.
Now on to the defense, the Derozan dunk that Ben is talking about is to me anyway I failure from Roy to stop it. Check the tapes, – 6:33 in the 3rd quarter, DeRozan gets the ball and is streaking for the dunk and Roy is there but makes a half hearted attempt at trying to block it. He had plenty of options but trying to get a block while peddling back isn’t the right one. He should have at least given up the foul and made him earn it at the Free throw line or tried to take a charge. Instead he gives the Raptors something to get inspired over. Don’t say anything about his hamstring cause that wouldn’t have prevented him from taking the foul.
There is still plenty of work left to do and not that much time left. We do have a 4 game win streak and 4 days off to practise and improve our defense. Let’s just hope that we don’t suffer any more injuries during practise that will slow down our development.
I'd respond but two4larue used the same Nate quote to above, and I think correctly
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Iso's worked great last regular season too
Not so great in the playoffs
by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Mar 15, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
the team needed a 3rd scoring option and a second creator
we discussed this last April after the Rocket’s series. It was too easy for a good defensive team like Houston to “take away” Roy and LMA and force the remaining Blazers to “beat” them. This year Miller will be available as well, and last night we saw a little of what Andre can do. Roy was struggling with his shot down the stretch, the score was getting close and Miller took Calderon down to the post, drew 3 defenders and fed Camby for an easy dunk. That’s an ISO that led to a high percentage shot, and it’s an option that Portland didn’t have on their roster last year
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I felt the same
Would last night’s play beat the best teams. Nate should be concerned not content.
by thebigoutdoors on Mar 15, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone finally asked the question!
And Nate answered it. Now we know. He doesn’t think Miller, Roy and Aldridge are good motion players and he isn’t going to mess with it.
Now he will have to live or die with that decision. It will be interesting to see how this plays out next season when Oden is back.
So as fans we can complain all we want but with Nate as the coach it isn’t changing. He thinks he is calling the game according to his player’s strengths and doesn’t want to mess that up.
#52
A surprising moment from Nate.
He was being more honest and open with us fans for a change—and agree or disagree, I liked it. I will watch with his mindset (mindful of Nate’s game plan) that iso and the resulting double teams are supposed to be creating plenty of open looks. One problem for this system is that when the on ball defender is good enough to allow the his teammates to stay at home, the open looks have a tendency to disappear and we end up with forced shots.
21 + 52=
IMO, you are right
Plus the fact our open looks are 90 per cent 3’s and if they go in that is great. If they don’t go in, then it we have got to move people and the ball go to the rim and get foul shots. Are the foul shots just for BRoy, LMA and Dre?
When Batum started driving to the rim, Nate criticized him for forcing his shot. He has got to stay out and make the open shot. When BRoy drives to the rim and doesn’t make the shot, that is fine because he is an Iso player and Nic isn’t. Does that make sense?
I am normally a Nate defender, but I see holes in his thinking.
hg
Your points about drawing fouls is a good one.
Spot up shooters don’t draw many fouls. I am sure it must be hard for some players (Nic, Rudy, Martell) in Nate’s system when they feel like they can do more. They probably feel the hook coming when they try to initiate the offense too often. It is probably a heavy burden to know that you are not going to be going to the line all that often, and that you are going to have to rely on your outside shot almost exclusively in order to score.
This might even get us into the discussion of how roles are determined? Under the Nate/Brandon system, do players have their roles defined by their abilities or do they have their roles defined by what Nate and Brandon feel the TEAM needs. To paraphrase, “We don’t want that running and gunning, quick shooting stuff around here, set it up and get a good shot off of the iso.”
21 + 52=
by KINGofMACct on Mar 15, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I am sure it must be hard for some players (Nic, Rudy, Martell) in Nate’s system when they feel like they can do more
While they may feel they can do more, when I watch Rudy or Martell drive into traffic I prepare myself for a turnover, not a positive result. OTOH, when Nic drives and meets resistance, he’ll usually do something positive with the ball (like find the open man, or pull up and shoot an on-balance jumper)
Once Batum learns to use his body to draw fouls he’s going to be a load to defend. It’s coming. Last night he leaned into a defender and made a tough shot, something that usually only Roy or Miller will try to do (at least 12-15 feet away from the basket, Bayless will try to draw fouls by attacking the rim)
I don’t want Rudy or Marty getting happy feet—just “do a Portland” unless there’s a wide open path to the basket. They’re role players, not everyone can be the star
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Would they still be relegated to the role player status if they were in a fast break, motion oriented offense, with lots of picking and pre-designed cuts?
They’re role players, not everyone can be the star
It may be frustrating for some fans to see players with the potential of a Martell or a Rudy to be turned into role players who primarily stand in the corners and wait. These philosophies are interesting to consider from from the player’s perspective as well.
21 + 52=
well yeah, we know Rudy doesn't like it
he’s asked to be a bigger par of the offense, before, and (as he showed last night) he’s good at feeding the post players with wrap-around bounce passes and…lobs
But Rudy doesn’t have a crossover, or a left hand, and he tends to bail when he meets resistance in the lane—which is what everyone hated about Blake, but at least Steve didn’t turn the ball over (or shoot “dud” la bambas) on the drive like Rudy
So the question Nate should be asking Rudy/Martell is “what do you do best that helps the team win?” and “if you don’t want to make the sacrifice, tell me now and we’ll flip you for someone else who will be content” in that role
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So the question Nate should be asking Rudy/Martell is "what do you do best that helps the team win?"
I think what they would say to Nate is, “We can do more to help the team win, within your system, if you will give us the chance.” Nate’s response would likely be, “Prove it to me with the opportunities you are getting, and little by little, I will give you what you want, so far as it helps the team win .” First and foremost, Nate wants to keep winning even as the team continues to grow. In a sense, Nate has to be a juggler—the question for him is, “How good are you Nate, at juggling the players needs vs the team’s needs?”
21 + 52=
pretty darn good
I think KP made the “juggler” analogy earlier today about how Nate has made almost nightly adjustments in regards to which players were available, and yet the team is 13 games over .500? Chad Doing is impressed, even if curmudgeon Jaynes still sees only holes and weaknesses
Webster and Fernandez’ opportunities to shine will come the same way that Bayless’ did, when other players are hurt and playing time opens up for them. It’s tough for any player (no matter how experienced) to look consistently impressive when they only get to play intermittent minutes, but that’s they way it is in the NBA.
If they aren’t in the 8-man rotation at playoff time, they’ve got to do whatever they can to stay ready and make the most of every possession that they’re on the floor. The coaches and front office don’t expect them to be happy, but it should be about “team”—at least until contract time. Rudy and Martell have had great attitudes so far, and Nate/KP deserve some credit for this as well, for communicating expectations and managing their personnel
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In the end, I think the evaluation of Nate's system will come down to wins and losses.
Fans, owners, and players all tend to avoid causing too many problems as long as the wins keep piling up. I am excited to see how things play out this year in the playoffs with additional year of experience and the new players we have this year. Winning a series would be a major positve sign. Losing badly is going to cause a whole new round of grumbling.
I believe I heard Quick say yesterday that Oden would not be back this year—I personally hope he is wrong because it could be a tremendious lift to the team’s spirits. To see Greg giving that kind of effort, even if he is not a major minute player at this point, would truly be inspirational for us all.
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Winning a series would be a major positve sign. Losing badly is going to cause a whole new round of grumbling.
RFS1970 is already forecasting Portland to play “4 or 5” playoff games this April but I’m hopeful for a better showing than that. It all depends on the matchup, of course. The 2010 Blazer’s are a better road team than last year’s model, with more veterans and a year more experience from the young players. They won’t have home court advantage, but it’s hard to imagine their opponent being that much tougher (defensively) than Houston was last year. But (naturally) not having Greg/Joel will be a huge factor
Playoff expectations from the fanbase this year are lower than last, as the 2009 team was high-flying heading into the post season and this year’s team has been in “survival mode” since December. I like to think they’re flying under the radar and they’ll sneak up and give us a pleasant first-round surprise. But if they don’t, most of the fans and media won’t be very disappointed
You’re right about Nate (or any coach) being evaluated by wins and losses. (This is why it’s comical to hear fans bemoaning the lack of PT for Patty Mills, etc.) Anything less than 45 wins puts Nate on a slippery slope with the owner, who is not a patient man. (Look at the Blazer coaching tenure during the Allen era, 5 years per coach is about the limit, and Nate is nearing that threshold.) All of the key injuries should insulate McMillian from getting the “trap-door” treatment this summer, but I think the reason Nate hasn’t been sleeping well is due to the pressure “to impress the big guy” up in Seattle…and a wimpy 4-and-out in the first round would un-do a lot of collateral that McMillian has built up over the last few years
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You may think I am a little bit crazy
but I actually think we are a better team this year heading into the playoffs than last year, particularly if Greg is able to come back and give us a few good minutes a game. That’s why, for me, Nate still does have a lot of pressure on him. I think we have had a great regular season, and Nate has done a very good job overall. But now it is playoff time.
How does Nate’s system hold up when it counts? We’ll see…. I can see it going either way. As I said before, no matter what I am excited about evaluating our progress with a clearer understanding of what Nate is looking for out of each player (whether I agree with how players are being used or not).
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that's when you look for another mismatch
if the opposing team puts their best defender on Roy, you can run a PnR and rub him off, or Brandon can swing the ball to Miller and let him post up a smaller guard. Or, they can drop it into LMA and see if the defense runs another man to the post
There’s no doubt that the better teams will have multiple good defenders and better team defense overall, but in a playoff series the coaches will always exploit the most-glaring mismatches and force the opponent to make adjustments.
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One of the key issues here, if we are going to talk about Nate's philosophy
is the passing ability of the person initiating the offense.
I am very confident in Andre’s ability to make the defense pay with probing passes. I am somewhat less confident in Roy’s ability to probe; in the past he has most often chosen to pass out to the three point line (Blake). And I am even less confident when LMA is the initiator.
Apparently, to Nate’s way of thinking the initiator’s primary job is to be a threat to score and thus draw the defenses attention (more than one man). Then, secondarily, when the defense shifts or doubles, the initiator becomes a primarily a passer. My question for this system is, “Do we have enough one on one guys, who are also good enough passers to consistantly make the defense pay?”
Jerryd is good one on one, but as to him being a willing passer, the jury is still out. Rudy may be a good passer but his one on one skills are in question. Nic is a good passer, but I am not so sure about the one on one part, and Martell has shown real ball handling and passing weaknesses. To me, it is clear that some of these guys are going to have to step it up (under Nate’s system) when the defenses really dig in in the playoffs.
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they were swinging it around pretty good, last night
that’s what got Dwight’s attention, I guess
You’re right about LMA and passing out of double teams, he usually sends the ball back where it came from and it can be difficult to swing it around to the open man before the defense can readjust. Roy will usually drive and pass to either corner if he can’t get close to the rim, and that has been effective when the player is ready to shoot (looking at you Rudy, Bulls game) like Blake and Outlaw used to do. Batum has become “the new Travis” in those late-game scenarios, but obviously Andre can’t spread the floor like Steve could.
That’s OK though, because Miller is the wild card. Not only can he “get his own” against the other team’s PG, he can make passes of all angles and he will usually locate the open man with a direct pass (no perimeter swing passes necessary) Last night he pump-faked and slipped the ball through 2 defenders to Camby for a dunk. That’s the kind of play that was “advertised” coming from ‘Dre when he was originally signed. It’s taken awhile for the other Blazers (including Brandon) to get used to Miller, but I don’t think it’s any coincidence that they’re scoring 100ppg now that everyone’s healthy and #24 is finally running the show
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Toronto is a poor defensive team
they were swinging it around pretty good, last night
The questions I have center around how we do against the good teams. How will we be able to execute our offense in the playoffs. Last year was not so good! It won’t be long now until we will get to see the playoff picture play itself out for this year. What can we learn? One way or the other, I can hardly wait.
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I agree, last year was not so good
The Rockets were a tough matchup for Portland, we knew that going in
And yet, if Portland had grabbed a rebound in the 4th quarter of game 4 and hung on to win, they would’ve forced game 7 back at the RG. So as “bad” as they looked offensively, it wasn’t like Houston completely shut them down. Most of the Blazer players were in their first rodeo, and it showed
After the series it was clear that Roy and LMA weren’t “enough” to get it done. Houston was able to funnel Brandon to help (having Artest and Battier didn’t hurt) and the presence of Yao kept LMA and Greg from getting easy baskets. The Blazers needed a 3rd scorer and a 2nd creator (or both) and they made that clear when they went after Hedo on July 1st before settling on Miller later in the month. My concerns re: the team needing an upgrade at PG were answered, even if they failed to upgrade the toughness at the backup 4 (other than drafting the rookies and signing hatchet-man Howard)
Of course this year they’re heading into the post season without Greg and Joel, so that changes things. They won’t be able to defend the paint and rebound as well (though Camby helps) so they’re going to have to run and score more, which is what we’ve been seeing lately. Playoff expectations are lower, but that doesn’t mean they can’t steal a road game and surprise someone. For me it’s too early to talk about matchups, because the teams will flip in the WC standings between now and game 82. But I think the team is better-equipped to succeed (as an offensive unit) this year than they were last time around, because of the veterans that have been added.
Does that mean they’ll win more than 2 games? It’s hard to say, because they won’t have the size. But the team’s BBIQ and playoff experience has improved, and that could be a bigger factor than most people would expect, down the stretch of a close game
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hatchet-man Howard
I like that description. Howard has shown lately that he is willing to deliver a blow!
I like our balance better this year. Maybe Roy and Miller can get a little more help in the creating shot opportunities department. If Bayless, Nic, and Rudy can make more use of their ability to pass, in addition to their scoring, we just might be able to do some damage.
Also, although Camby is not as powerful close to the rim, he does have the ability to go out on the floor and defend. I love his offensive rebounding and helpside defense as well. As they say, it ain’t over tell the fat lady sings.
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Yes, Ben's highlights showed us the nice ball movement we gotta love
Seeing Roy quickly pass out when doubled, Camby trusted as a distributor, the team making the other team pay for neglecting anyone… very nice. Part of the effective ball movement is the players EXPECTING to receive the ball and acting accordingly, not watching the Brandon show. I love seeing that kind of mindset and execution. Really hoping we are in for a bunch more of that.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
"Do we have enough one on one guys, who are also good enough passers to consistantly make the defense pay?"
How many do you need on the floor at one time? 2 is a luxury, 3 is just asking for trouble (only 1 ball)
Oden will be a much better post-passer than LMA once he gets settled in, BTW. LMA will go from a guy who draws double teams in the post to a perimeter outlet once Greg returns. Embarrasment of riches
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I personally believe it takes at least three at a time in this type of offense.
Three players that can put it on the floor and either pass or shoot, and two players that can put in the basket from their regular positions on the floor. Also, as you may be able to tell from this comment, I am not at all embarrassed by our riches, “KP keep um comin,” if this is the style of ball we are going to play.
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they're also going to have post play
so one of those “3 players” could be a back-to-the-basket player who can beat his man and force the other team to send help, then hopefully yhr big man can send a skip pass to the open man. Like I said, Oden is already better at this than LMA, we just haven’t seen enough of Greg
The “3 players that can put it on the floor and either pass or shoot” that you’re talking about sounds more like Phoenix or Golden State’s “draw and kick” offense, but KP has drafted and acquired players for a different style (LMA, then Oden, more recently Camby…although I still can’t figure out why he thought Sergio and Mills were the right choices to go with Nate’s system and those big men) This could be the Paul Allen influence…and the owner may have also had a “say” in the decision to pursue Turk (I can’t rule it out)
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although I still can’t figure out why he thought Sergio and Mills were the right choices to go with Nate’s system
My guess has been that fast guys can get the team into the half court offense quicker. Nate’s supposed 4 second rule? Also, I am not always sure that Nate, KP, and Paul are always in complete agreement.
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Chris Bosh gave a long statement after the game against the Warriors - rather a rant - showing his frustration
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2010/03/13/chris-bosh-vents-after-loss-to-warriors/
As for his future, I would still have two concerns about him. A) He’s a co-star. A great one, but a co-star. I don’t think he’ll ever lead a team to a title as the main man. But he could definitely help a team with someone like LeBron, Kobe or Wade to one or two titles. B) I’m a bit worried about his knees. He’s wearing bigger and bigger sleeves and braces on them over the years. It’s at least the vague “tendinitis” statement often seen in medical reports, if not something bigger.
those braces and pads on his knees were amazing
like he was going up against a police dog
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't want the games anymore so I have no idea, but it seems like they're playing good ball
I may or may not watch them in the playoffs
by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Mar 15, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions
you should watch the games...
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 15, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Ask and receive
I think Nate needs to demand the guys do some motion. Players get paid a lot of money. They should learn to adapt when it’s asked of them.
And Nate should have the maturity to know that people usually will respond when they’re asked to do something rather than have to guess.
Nate seems a little weary to me. There is too much pressure to win and not enough on learning to playing winning basketball. I mean, really people, did anyone think they were going to get past the second round even with Oden and Pryz playing? The blazers are a young team and have much to learn.
With Oden & Pryz playing?
Yes, I do think they could have gone past the second round. First, if those guys don’t get hurt, the Blazers record is better — enough better that maybe they get the 2, 3, or 4 seed. Second, with those guys the Blazers have significantly better interior defense, and this year, there really aren’t any stud centers in the west. The way Oden was playing when he got hurt, he might have done very well by the end of the season.
Counterfactual history is always a shaky prospect, but I think it stands to reason that if Greg and Joel don’t get hurt, the Blazers game would look very different than it does now.
there's no doubt it's been a long season
and the team’s chances of advancing in the playoffs took a dive with the center injuries
But the challenge is to make the best out of the hand you’re dealt, and there’s no question that the coaching staff and players have pretty much squeezed the most production out of their roster as possible, since December. If Nate has seen the opposing teams disrupt the Blazer’s offense by double-teaming Roy/LMA (etc) when there’s been movement by other Blazer players, then why should he be “demanding” more movement? If the ISOs are creating open looks for Rudy and others, and the team is scoring 100ppg on the road, then the Blazer’s offense ain’t broke
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I would dispute that teams have had success
double-teaming Roy & LMA when there is movement by the other guys on the floor. The problem is that sometimes (too often in my opinion) there isn’t movement by the other players in the ISO situations, as Nate himself admits. You cannot double two guys when the other three are moving into open spots on the floor and putting themselves into positions where the doubled player can get them the ball.
When the Blazers are moving themselves and the ball, as they did for much of last nights game, then they score quite effectively. And too often this season, the Blazers started the game doing that well, but then got out of their game plan and spent too much time standing around watching one player try to score.
I don’t deny that the Blazers have done quite well this season, given the spate of injuries they’ve had to endure. To be fair, the coaching staff deserves some of the credit for that. I am quite critical of Nate, however, because his whole offensive scheme is based around ISOs and pick and rolls. With all the greyhounds on this team, it seems they would be better off running a motion offense (such as the triangle that Phil Jackson runs with a little bit of success).
by hercher on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is that sometimes (too often in my opinion) there isn’t movement by the other players in the ISO situations, as Nate himself admits.
This comment is contradictory to what Nate said during the interview last night
You cannot double two guys when the other three are moving into open spots on the floor and putting themselves into positions where the doubled player can get them the ball.
If the player movement brings their defenders into the area where Roy (etc) is trying to operate in, it creates congestion. An ISO spreads the floor and forces the defense to commit an off the ball player to the double-team, which in turn makes it easier for Portland to locate the open man with swing passes. The goal is to get the defense scrambling and then use their defensive rotations against them. Superior offensive players can force double teams and jump start this scrambling. A motion offense is used when their are no superior one-on-one players and the team as a whole has to create open shots by setting picks and coordinating player movement
Portland has sets to do both, but (especially in late game situations) they prefer the ISO because of the stress it puts on the defense to stop penetration while covering the perimeter
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You have got to think....
that Brandon will win western conference player of the week, right?? Wait, maybe they’ll give it to Kevin Durant. Did the Thunder win all of their games last week? Yes. Crap. Kevin Durant is probably going to get it then…….. See how I held a whole conversation with myself?
give yourself a high five
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Camby
“Marcus Camby had a nice all-around game with 6-11 shooting (no jumpers hit that I saw)”
As I recall he made one successful Trebuchet launch from the baseline. I didn’t care that he happened to make that one, I get so use to those shots turning out to be klunkers that I just can’t feel good when one happens to make it through the net.
You know, it would be hilarious if they held a roast at the end of the season to make fun of the shooting styles of Camby, Howard, and Miller.
I love all three of them but they all have bizarre shooting styles.
it's the Marcu-chet
BT Smith had a practice video right after the trade that showed Camby, Howard and Pendergraph (I think) doing a baseline “jumper” drill
their shooting “form” wouldn’t even win “Mr. Congeniality” in a beauty contest
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Jarrett Jack
I was surprised he played so little.
He didn’t seem terrible, and Calderon wasn’t amazing in his minutes.
Jarrett stopped by the Blazers’ bench to give hugs to the coaching staff. Aww. They seem to like him in Toronto. And since the Raptor fans seem to be a pretty grumpy bunch (like us, as you say, Ben), I’m glad to see that.
Jose was blowing by everyone in the first half
so he earned the “starting nod” coming out of halftime
of course, late in the game he got abused by Andre in the low post
It might’ve been smarter for Toronto’s coach to play Jack on defense and Calderon on offense down the stretch, but the Raptors were in the middle of a nice comeback with Jarrett on the bench
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Bosh has a lot bottled up right now
is there any reason bosh isn’t the kevin garnet of a few years ago, the last year he was on the t-wolves. If bosh goes to a team with a winning attitude (not the knicks) I think he could have a breakout season

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