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He-e-y-y!! Quit Whining, and Finish!


I love our Blazers, but last night, I don’t know if the TNT mikes are better than Blazer Broadcasting, or what, but I could not believe how many times, in the first quarter alone, I heard a Blazer bitchin and moanin about a call. 

The Fave Blazer play now seems to be:  drive the lane, initiate contact, yell “Hey”, miss shot, glare at ref…

Star-divide

Now you know I love Dre, but he had 3 whines before the Cali fans sipped their first Chardonnay and bit into their tacos…  Brandon then quickly caught up to him.  Bayless came in and took over the Hey contribution for the point guards.

Roy took over late in the third with the rare double-hey-on-a-play… he tried to take a charge (“hey”), and to his credit, got up and took another one (“hey”) which got him the call…  (Shortly thereafter, he got his 37th point on 17 shots, so I realize my timing in bringing this up may not be the greatest…)  I did notice he was more successful when he raised the pitch at the end – “hey-AY” got him the call shortly after the charge.  And, I noticed that on his spectacular half-ending mid-court heave, he didn’t say a word, and got 3 freebies…    

My fear is that the Blazers may be dangerously close to the whiner line… 

I do think officials talk, and like it or not, in most people’s eyes, yelling “hey” is showing the ref up.  “Hey” (you dumb blind) “ref, I got fouled and you missed the call” is what they’re saying, right?  I think it’s starting to work negatively.  It worked positively last year for BRoy, no doubt.  But it seems to me that it’s not working for him anywhere near as much this year.  I think the refs have talked...

I suppose in general its fine to yell ‘hey’ when you get hit, and I understand by now it’s totally a reflex action from Brandon and Dre.  But EVERY PLAY somebody is whining or looking at the refs.  It’s interesting, because we very rarely get T’s.  (And I wonder if we should get more, to relieve some of the pent up frustration of the zebras?)

Reputation matters – a LOT – in the NBA.  The refs know who is out there, as evidenced by the multitude of star calls.  You do not want to turn your team or personal rep into that of a whiner, always showing up the ref.  Make no mistake, official's calls still affect the outcome of many, many games, Donahee conspiracy or not.  You don’t want the entire Blazer org to get a bad rap from the refs, because it will come back to bite you in a close playoff game.

So Ben, any interest in charting “Hey’s”?  BRoy and Dre could get nightly triple doubles if you do!

I’m thinking maybe we need some Blazer T’s shirts with a picture of BROy and Dre yelling “HEY!” in a circle with a line through it…

Thoughts?  Is it just me?

Poll
Should the Blazers try to reduce the Hey Frequency?
Yes, BRoy, Dre, and Bayless all need to keep quiet and finish!
52 votes
It did seem like a lot of heys last night, probably an abberation, don't worry
17 votes
Nah, everybody always does it (even though I didn't hear the Warriors do it)
23 votes
BRoy is blatantly fouled every time he yells Hey and should be awarded shots cuz he's an All-Star
31 votes

123 votes | Poll has closed

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Amen

so tired of this.

i swear it often seems like the guys are more interested in drawing the foul then they are in actually making the shot.

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by douglast on Mar 12, 2010 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

Try watching Kobe.....

…..LeBron, Dwayne, Melo, Dirk, CP3, Duncan ect ect etc….when they don’t get a call. They all whine…incessantly

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 12, 2010 8:49 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

NBA politics

Its the same with flopping. Don’t hate the player, hate the game…

RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP

by Rudiculous on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh...

Is it annoying? Yes, a little bit.

Is it a prominent aspect of most players’ game league wide? Yes, without a doubt.

Is it sure to draw some attention from the refs? Yes, loud noises are sure to attract attention, both the refs or the fans.

Is it effective? Last I checked Roy and Miller get to the line with regularity.

If it were you driving to the rack 10 times or more every game for 82 games for years on end and you were getting slapped and hacked and bumped and kicked and spit on and so on and such forth… would you let out a wail? Yes.

Has this team historically had it fair share of amazingly crappy calls drawn by an opposing superstar? Yes, undoubtedly.

Is it therapeutic to whine about players whining? I don’t know, maybe? You tell me.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

He-e-y-y!! Quit Whining, and Finish!

hehehehehehe

Heartbroken..... Our goats have escaped.

by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 12, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

might I suggest a new position?

I get the paper, so I don't care!

by Name's Ash on Mar 12, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

TWSS?

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Mar 12, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe if Nate was a little more vocal, the players could be a little less so.

Compared to most coaches, Nate doesn’t work the refs much, and I think the young Blazers get fewer calls as a result.

Andre seems to get the benefit if most calls. Roy gets star treatment most of the time. Bayless gets calls some nights and almost has to get murdered on others.

by upper left corner on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

Was thinking the same thing

I was noticing that last night too. Definitely annoying, and I think sometimes the players distract themselves with the yelling, looking for the call and not getting back on defense.

But unfortunately, it’s part of the game. Since all the good teams campaign the refs, I can’t help but think it actually works. A very annoying part of the game…

On another note, now I’m craving tacos and chardonnay. Dang that power of suggestion.

by sanjait on Mar 12, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I really only notice Brandon doing this.

Dang near every single time he takes it to the rim. Maybe he is more vocal than ’Dre or Bayless when doing it…. IDK.

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Mar 12, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Magic Johnson used to do the same thing

if it’s working, keep it up

just don’t miss your FTs, or the refs may turn a deaf ear the next time

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Serious

The only time I have ever seen Nate really fired up was early this season when he told Joey Crawford, That’s a Bull S Call and you know it Joey!! After he had been calling ticky tack fouls on Oden. Nate needs to get fired up more, I want to see 3-5 T’s a season!

by przybillafan2001 on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Watch any Spurs highlight reel.

Portland is actually fairly low on the whinometer % wise.

Batumshakalaka!

by We-B-Dunkin on Mar 12, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

I suppose in general its fine to yell ‘hey’ when you get hit, and I understand by now it’s totally a reflex action from Brandon and Dre.

If you understand it’s a reflex action, what the reason to get worked up about it or are you just more annoyed with it? BRoy has been doing this for a long time, it didn’t just start. And he doesn’t say it after he shoots, it’s while he’s shooting, so I don’t see it as he’s trying to show up the ref.
He probably can’t help it anymore. It’s what he does, like MJ sticking out the tongue.

And please don’t ask Ben to make another my love for durant chart, your just asking for him to find a way to show that because durant doesn’t yell when at the basket, he’s the greastest ever.

#52

by bustabucket on Mar 12, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

I'm annoyed, and concerned...

I guess reflex isn’t the right word, but it’s certainly a learned (and very human) behavior (that many do) that has been reinforced (with calls) for more than a decade. But I also think that some times when he shoots and knows it’s off, and manufactures the hey to try and get the call. Those are the ones I’d wish he tried to cut down a little… This applies to both Dre and Roy… I do find it very irritating to hear EVERY SHOT…

I’m concerned that by Crying Wolf, we won’t get as many calls as we would if we toned down the heys a little… That’s all…

by Visionary2 on Mar 12, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

I was going to write a similar post. B-Roy, Dre and J-Bay are the biggest culprits. They seem to be more interested in making their "hey"AY" sound and getting a foul called than focusing on putting the ball in the hole. very frustrating. i know that getting to the line is a big part of the game but making that noise on every single shot is like crying wolf and really annoying. just play the game and the calls will come.

by crazybee on Mar 12, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

Crying wolf - wish I'd said that..

That sums up my main point very well: by doing it EVERY SINGLE play, the refs will start to (a) tune a deaf ear to it, and (b) start to resent it, and then © not call it even when it is a foul…

Don’t cry wolf, or the townspeople won’t bring the pitchforks when you’re playing the Wolves… (or Lakers, or any team, for that matter)…

by Visionary2 on Mar 12, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget the cry for "and one"

Which I find silly when the don’t get the foul or the shot. I noticed Brandon doing this from the beginning of his career. His “hey” is a bit high pitched when he goes to the hoop. Now all the guards do it. It really is a league wide thing too.

Rebecca Harlow needs to call them out on it in post game interviews. Something like…“I noticed your cries for help at the rim tonight were a bit high pitched. Were you channeling the inner 12 year old girl?”

by HardCorvallis on Mar 12, 2010 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe Nate should yell the "Heys" from the bench.

Or better yet the entire RG could do it. Can you imagine what the moment would look like if the next time Brandon opens his mouth to yell “hey”, instead he hears the entire crowd roar it out for him?

If that could only be organized, if just for pure entertainment value…

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don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

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by DaNoose on Mar 12, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

So let me get this straight...

This is a Post… whining about players whining?..

The rather annoying and obvious fact in the NBA is that people who whine (see Popovich… and almost any Good to Great offensive player) get calls.

I see no evidence that the Blazers do this anymore than they used to or than anyone else does…

Just my opinion.

by Ilikeemall on Mar 12, 2010 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

Guilty as charged...

Is this a post.. whining about people whining about people whining about players whining?? Why yes, yes it is…

by Visionary2 on Mar 12, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Just so you know

Players don’t exactly have a black and white choice of finishing or trying to draw the foul.

If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99

by fajunga on Mar 12, 2010 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

No, but the point is...

the mental energy they are using to yell “Hey” at the “right time” does, I believe, take away from the single-mindedness of purpose needed to make the shot, even if you’ve been fouled…

by Visionary2 on Mar 12, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind trying to get calls

it’s the failure to get back on defense that gets me. Don’t give up 2 points while you stare daggers at the ref

"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
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by Magnum on Mar 12, 2010 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

yes

Firmly in favor of making a coaching change at the end of the season.
Free AK1984

by jksnake99 on Mar 12, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh, I never noticed Dre or Bayless do the "hey."

Just Brandon. I’m gonna tune in more carefully tonight.

by Stryder9 on Mar 12, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

absolutely

and it is the nature of the " Hey shot" to yell " Hey" before the contact comes if any. The player is expecting a pavlovian response from the official to blow his whistle.

I see it as cheating but since K*be has been doing for years and he is the best player on the planet doing so is deemed necessary to compete.

Personally if I were the coach I’d put an end to it and tell the players to save that kind of cheating for the playoffs.

I’ve seen Roy scream when the defender didn’t get within a foot of touching him. Even the homer Mikes wouldn’t comment on the replay. It’s embarrasing to see such strong player resort to that. Even worse is to see them stay back and argue the case when they know there was no foul.

The Mikes are always talking about point swings. How about the point swing of wanting three points with a foul , missing the lay up and not getting the call and then not getting back on defense as the player you should be defending dunks on your center who fouls them?

by meatwad3 on Mar 12, 2010 4:07 PM PST reply actions  

the heys are a little annoying

because they make me feel guilty when there is obviously no foul. but i think they yell for a reason other than baiting the refs- i think they yell to help create space from the defenders and maybe scare them into not fouling. like my theory?

by butterbuds on Mar 13, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

could be.

also tennis coaches also tell some players to yell on their serves and I think it may have been proven that they can hit the ball harder by doing so.Tightens the stomache muscles. Maybe it’s in anticipation of contact with the bball players. .

That doesnt explain why K*be does it though. He’ll do it when he loses his dribble then he will karate chop wildly in all directions hopeing to gain contact with anyone who is near face. He once got Manu’s beak with one and got called for an “unatural act” foul. Funny because Manu does it all the time as well.

by meatwad3 on Mar 13, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The "heys" are doing what needs to be done to to win

Fans complain about Nate not yelling at the refs. If the Blazers were quit, fans would complain about that. They are doing what they can to win. I encourage the yelling.

by tominhawaii on Mar 13, 2010 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

I've not paid that much attention to the "heys"! From now on I'm sure I will notice them more.

I have heard Brandon yell but thought it sound more like “ayyy”….like it hurt! This is how much I know. Do other teams’ players make that sound? Maybe the rest of the Blazers are just trying to be more like their leader!

Personally I think Nate man needs to step up and work the refs more. Then maybe the Blazer players wouldn’t feel the need to call attention to being fouled. They might feel like Nate has their back in re: to the refs/foul calls.

Instead Nate is like the silent Buddah, standing, pacing, calling out only to the players.
He is a young coach and maybe still feels like it is wrong to bitch…as he did when he was a player.

Don’t see him work the refs like the older coaches do. And the older coaches seem to get results. Especially when there have been bad missed or made calls.
 
I know it doesn’t seem to be in Nate’s repretoire to get all riled up, but he can still say something to the refs when stupid calls are made/missed while maintaining his style.

by Natsthecat on Mar 13, 2010 5:06 PM PST reply actions  

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