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Blazersedge Mailbag: March 12th, 2010

Welcome to the latest edition of the Blazersedge Mailbag.  As always, a disclaimer that I've paraphrased some of your questions.  I hope I got to the heart of them.  If not, let me know.

Joel Przybilla re-injures his knee in a freak shower accident.  Is this team cursed?

I have a good friend, a reliable aficionado of all things sports-related, whose Number One Rule of Fandom is simple:  No matter what happens never, EVER start believing your team is cursed.  If you do you will bring a host of ills upon yourself and your team that may well last for generations.

I trust my friend's wisdom so it remains now as it always has been:  No cursing on Blazersedge.

What are the practical effects of the Przybilla mishap?

When I first considered this question I thought, "Not much."  But as I turned it over in my mind it became more complex.  As seems to be typical of things happening to this franchise lately it's not the event, it's the timing.

In practical terms we didn't know exactly when Joel was coming back.  Now we still don't know, except whatever "x" was it's now "x + 3 months" at least.  We talked a little bit about this on the radio yesterday morning.  If you believe Greg Oden is coming back maybe that extra layoff isn't fatal, assuming Oden finds a way to play 30 minutes instead of 20.   If you don't believe Oden is coming back or can find a way to contribute regularly then we're probably arguing whether the Blazers will be a mid-level playoff team or a low-level one next year, which isn't a critical distinction in the long-term perspective.  While the opportunity lost there might be painful it's not the end of the world.

Some are speculating that Joel might never come back.  I think it's too early for that kind of talk, but if it were to happen I would be sad.  Joel has quietly given a lot to this franchise and I'd like to see him prosper for years to come.  Even as I say that I'd also affirm the paragraph above:  Oden is the key to the Blazers' future hopes at center, not Przybilla.  I'd love to have Joel alongside Greg for life, but if that doesn't happen the Blazers will just have to work around it.

The more interesting variable in this whole mess is Joel's contract situation.  He has a player's option for next season at $7.4 million.  Some speculate he might just retire.  I don't know what's in his mind exactly but I'd consider that unlikely.  Athletes of any stripe tend to believe in themselves and their recuperative powers.  If Joel was rehabbing the first knee incident he'll be rehabbing the second right up until the point that a definitive medical diagnosis takes a return out of the picture.  There's also the matter of $7.4 million to consider.  If there's any way he could conceivably come back he's going to want to take that money.  You would.  I would.  Heck, the guy probably deserves it for what he's done already.  If I were advising Joel I'd tell him to pick up that option unless he's 100% sure he can't come back.  And even then, I'd probably tell him to pick it up anyway. 

In reality it would probably be better for the Blazers' cap maneuverability if Joel did pick up his option.  If he didn't they'd be left with less than $5 million in cap space...probably much less if you factor in draft picks and the extra guys they have to sign to fill out the roster.  Plus you have to consider that all of their trade-bait players have miniscule salaries compared to their talent and potential.  That extra couple million in cap space from Joel's retirement may not get you the guy you want in exchange for our young players as easily as Joel's $7 million expiring contract ballast would.

Thinking about potential trades is where you see one of the potential costs of the shower slip.  I was saving this for the end of the year, but since it's likely a moot point now...  One of the possible scenarios for the end of the season was packaging Joel's contract with a young guy or two and going after someone big.  (The step after would be re-signing Marcus Camby to take the back-up center role.)  There's potential in trading a starting or strong back-up center plus a hotshot or two, all extremely affordable for their production.  If Joel's not certain to play at the start of the season, though, the deal becomes much less attractive.  Expiring contracts attached to non-functional players are far more valuable in February than July.  Maybe somebody would take him anyway.  The Clippers took Outlaw and Blake for Camby when I didn't think they would.  But in general I don't think that door is open now.

I also think this incident puts the Blazers in more of a pickle about what to do with Camby.  If Joel were healthy I don't think Camby would stay short of the trade scenario that I just mentioned.  Now that Joel might be in doubt well into the season you start to ask what Portland will do in that still-critical back-up center spot.  7-footers are both hard to come by and expensive.  Are you going to find a better guy than Camby?  But do you want to pay what Camby will ask in order to stay?  It's not such an easy decision anymore.

I agree with an earlier statement by Ben that Joel has serious potential to be dealt as next year's trade deadline approaches.  His expiring contract will be valuable then even if he's not 100%...even if he's 0%.  People will bring up the Raef LaFrentz non-trade but the situations were different.  At $13 million LaFrentz' contract was almost too big to move in such a manner.  At that kind of money you're either looking at a star that the other team won't want to give up for just cap relief or an overpaid not-quite-star whose enormous contract you won't want to take back.  You could posit two or three players coming back at $13 million but it's hard to find that many guys a team will want to give up for space alone.  At a comfy $7 million and with the potential of those cheap, young friends alongside the Blazers should find a wider array of suitors for Joel than they did for Raef.

I'm beginning to think that if the Blazers do eventually get hamstrung on the way to their goal it's not going to be the big things as much as these hidden, little things that we look back on.  I think Greg Oden will end up fine.  But you look at Raef being the wrong contract at the wrong time, Darius Miles coming back on the books, Joel's down-time getting extended...one wonders if the small bumps will end up doing just enough to keep the team off course.

Click through for questions about playoff bonuses, the worst Blazer ever, ideal point guards, Bayless criticism, LMA in the clutch, Chad in Portland, and much more...

Star-divide

Do NBA players make extra money for games played in the playoffs?  Is that x-million dollar contract worth the same whether you play 82 games or 110?

Teams get bonuses for getting into the playoffs and advancing.  The farther you go the more your team gets, starting in the six-figure area for making the first round and advancing into the low millions when you make the Finals, last I checked.  However I emphasize "team" here.  The money is given to the organization and traditionally the players (perhaps coaches, not sure) vote how to distribute it.  The beneficiaries often include the training staff, players who played part of the season and were traded, and the like in addition to the current players.  When you split the check that far it doesn't end up being life-changing money for anybody and isn't even contract-changing money for most of these guys.  It can be a nice bonus for minimum-contract guys but it's more along the lines of a nice vacation, not a new car.  (At least not the cars NBA players drive!)

You're pretty Portland-positive.  Who is the worst Blazer ever in your estimation?

For me it's J.R. Rider, hands-down.  Certainly he was incredibly talented.  We owe him the first-round win against Phoenix in '98-'99 at least.  But I've never seen a player who would so completely, obviously, and intentionally disappear on the court, leaving his team in the lurch.  Even when he was focused his mistakes all over the court were glaring.  He'd win us games but he'd lose us just as many.  I once called him the least valuable 20-point scorer in the league.  This was actually the first time I ever made the newspaper, as Dwight Jaynes got hold of my stat work, conclusions, and that money quote and ran them nearly verbatim in his column.  (This was before I was blogging and while he was still working in print.)  [Edit:  Yes, he gave me full credit.  I was honored too!]  Couple all of that with Rider's off-court issues--remembering that he was in the locker room when Sheed and Bonzi were babes here--and you just get one, big, regrettable mess.

What are the traits (skill set) you would look for in the Blazer's PG of the future? (Assuming the rest of the starters are Roy, Batum, LMA & Oden?) Which skills are vital, and which ones are not as important?

On offense he would be able to hit the three but not be totally inept penetrating.  He'd be able to strike quickly with the jumper off of the screen.  He would be equally comfortable throwing the fast-break bomb or a simple post entry pass in the halfcourt.  He would normally score in the mid-teens but be dangerous enough to give you 20 upon occasion.  He would understand that this is Brandon Roy's team, play off of him, and be able to kick Brandon in the butt and tell him it's time to take over while still creating enough opportunities for the other players in Brandon's down time to keep them happy.  He would not turn the ball over.  He would be equally comfortable with the ball in his hands and deferring to Roy, receiving the catch-and-shoot.

On defense he would move his feet and keep his man in front of him.  He'd be tough enough to fight through a screen, quick enough to go behind one, and smart enough to know which one to do without being told.  He'd basically bookend Roy with Batum on the other side, taking the pressure off of Brandon to be a defender.

He'd be 6'4" or taller, have long arms and huge hands, be someone you'd trust holding your baby, but be cute enough to make my wife interested in watching too.

Which of these traits would be most important requires forecasting how the Blazers will end up playing in the future.  I'm half hoping that Portland's frontcourt will be so dominant defensively that we can ease up on the defensive requirements a little, letting the backcourt just score.  But if the bigs end up leaky you must have a defender back there or you're just going to end up as a glorified version of the Raptors.

Is there a real-life PG who has these skills and is even remotely possible for the Blazers to acquire?

No.  But frankly the more I've thought about it the more I'm hoping that we experiment without the traditional point guard at all...that Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum get shots alongside Roy and someone else...maybe Bayless if we can bank on his shot more.

Since we seem to be set at 4 positions in the long term, is it realistic to hope that we will have 5 young starters who all grow up together and compete for titles? Or is it fine just to cycle through veteran PGs every few years?

I don't think at this point you add or depend on another young point guard outside of what you already have, at least not without a strong veteran presence.  You certainly wouldn't posit a young player learning the ropes while starting for this team.  If you want to talk Devin Harris-type young, that's fine.  He's been around.  You could easily pull a young point guard from somewhere around the league to take Bayless' spot (providing you don't think Jerryd is that young point guard) but you'd need to keep Miller around to start.   It's time for this team to win, not learn...at least primarily.  They need someone at that position that they don't have to think about. 

Cycling in another veteran after Miller wouldn't be the worst thing ever, but consider also that at some point the starting lineup you mentioned will become the veterans.  We're probably two years away from that point now, maybe three or four if you want to be safe.  At that point they can absorb more young talent.  The problem with trying to grow all five guys together is that they have a hard time growing without experienced players getting minutes alongside.  It's not that they're incapable, rather that decisions and actions that veterans complete without thought take active processing power from the young guy's brains.  When you have five guys all processing at once play tends to suffer even if all of them process correctly and reach their conclusion at the same time.  When one or more of them processes wrong or takes too long the whole machine goes "Boink!"

Does it seem as though LaMarcus' free throw percentage in clutch situations in significantly lower than his seasonal average? I seem to remember a couple situations (the Dallas/Miller 52 point game) where he missed two in the clutch. Could this be a reason the ball rarely seems to go to LMA when the game is on the line?

Perhaps, but this might be a chicken and egg thing as well.  Does LaMarcus not get the ball because he's not comfortable with the pressure, including from the line, or is LaMarcus not comfortable with the pressure because he hasn't gotten the ball enough?  I need to see him get it more before I'm ready to say which is true.  But I'm also quite comfortable with our cadre of guards, starting with Roy, who are quite happy to score in pressure situations.  If they're doing well enough I can handle never finding out about LaMarcus.  I do believe LaMarcus could learn to be a fourth-quarter guy if called upon.  I just wonder how many repetitions it would take to make him comfortable and how many games we'd put in jeopardy finding out.

Let's put it this way.  I'm not going to scream at my TV if anybody throws it to LaMarcus for the game-winning attempt.  But if they don't have to, I'm not going to say they should either.

How do you decide what you put in your recaps?

I came to the realization early on that I was going to have to choose a style and format. There's just too much to every game to include it all.  Even if I could write it, you wouldn't want to read it 82 times a season.  So I made the decision to be approachable, accessible, and translate the overall flavor of the game as best I could (with humor when possible), making the recaps feel more like you were discussing the game around a water cooler in the office than you were hearing about it in a seminar.  I try to include enough analysis to help you understand what the boxscore says.  I try to highlight what I see as the most significant aspects of the game.  I also like to mention anything that might be unusual, especially anything new we see from the players.  You'll actually see the tenor of the recaps change as the season progresses.  In the early games when nobody has seen the team in action I'll tend to give more details about everybody, especially the major players, as it's all new then.  But at a certain point you've talked about LaMarcus' post play or Bayless' great transition work enough.  Everybody knows those things already.  So I only mention those aspects when they appear to seriously impact the game.  Otherwise I won't mention them unless something changes (LaMarcus has a fantastic game in the paint or Bayless is uncharacteristically bad on the drive or something).  As the year progresses I'm more likely to mention smaller things about those players and/or concentrate on the players we haven't talked about. 

The only exceptions to the above come when a guy seems to be a hot topic, particularly when people are wondering aloud what the heck is going on concerning said player.  Often this comes in the form of "This guy's an idiot!" or "Nate's an idiot for not playing him!"  If the questions get consistent enough I'll try to point out what might be going on with the guy that people aren't seeing.  I often catch flak for going against the grain, but I think it's useful to have alternative explanations if they're available and plausible.  This is why, for a time in the history of this site, I spent quite a while talking about Sergio Rodriguez's game in the recaps even though Sergio wasn't anywhere near our most important player.

I've also made a conscious decision to keep the recap stats basic, partially because the advanced metrics take longer to generate after games and longer to explain, partially because that's really become Ben's bailiwick and you're well-served there, and partially because they tend to get in the way of the flow of the piece.  The simple boxscore doesn't tell the whole story but when you generate the same numbers for 82 games, even simple numbers can give you the idea of how a guy's night went in comparison to his other nights.

As you have probably noticed I use the previews to talk mostly about the opposing team and the recaps to talk mostly about how the Blazers did.

It seems like Jerryd has received a lot of criticism on this site lately. Is it fair to Jerryd to be criticized by fans for playing like a back-up point guard when those same fans were crying for Steve Blake's head because Nate was playing Steve instead of Jerryd?

Every player receives undeserved criticism.  Every player receives undeserved praise.  In general it's better to just let both ride.  Things can reverse at the drop of a hat.  Yesterday's underappreciated diamond in the rough becomes tomorrow's crown jewel after a few good games.  However I also believe there's a cycle to these things, and oddly enough it starts not with undue negativity but with overwhelming praise. 

You have to understand two aspects of the sports fan mentality nowadays:

1.  Everybody gets more excited about a young, unproven guy than they do about the steady, known quantity even if the steady player is better.  Blazer fans, in particular, seem particularly fond of, and hopeful for, their young talent.

2.  At least part of this is because in the modern sports culture we invest our self-worth as fans more in correctly predicting the future than in accurately describing the present.  Young players, with their ambiguous present and unbounded future, allow us easy opportunity to make such predictions.

These factors result in people overreacting to stimuli with young players.  Case in point:  Jerryd Bayless has a couple of phenomenal scoring games mid-season and people start anointing him the Next Big Thing, predicting dominance for him and the team.  Inevitable questions follow.  If Jerryd is the NBT in the NBA why is Nate not playing him more?  Why doesn't he keep scoring?  Why aren't we trading away everyone in front of him? 

Answering those kinds of questions requires an analytical look at what is happening in the present juxtaposed against the projected outcome.  Jerryd is a marvelous penetrator, finishes well on the break, draws and hits foul shots masterfully, can spark the entire team with his drive, and has decent defensive potential if nothing else because of his speed and body type.  But Jerryd is not a reliable catch-and-shoot guy, he tends to foul too much, he tends to get out of position more than Andre Miller even though Miller is no great defender himself, he doesn't set the offense as well as Steve Blake did, and he needs the same ball and space as Miller to operate.  All of those things, plus the needs and skills of Jerryd's other teammates, factor into decisions made regarding him.

While that analysis is necessarily and helpful in explaining the situation it also entails a fair amount of criticism. 

But we're not done!  The culture works on the other side too.  Once the criticism comes to the fore people will latch onto it and make new predictions based on it.  So we get, "Jerryd Bayless will never be a real point guard!"  The competing riffs of "Next Big Thing!" and "Never Be a PG!" go back and forth in the popular conversation like an old Miller Lite commercial.  All of the stats and visions are pulled out in support with each refrain. 

Meanwhile the guy's actually playing games which show his progress and needs, but those observations tend to get sucked up into the whirlwind with "See?  I told you so!" being shouted after every 4 or 40 point game Jerryd has. 

As a person who tries to do such observation I've been called both an apologist of and a hater of most every player who's been even remotely controversial.  In reality you may notice that I tend to do very little predicting and a whole lot of explaining.  I may be weird but I figure that one's worth as a person who talks about sports shouldn't be all invested in a guessing game about the future, rather in your ability to accurately and understandably portray what's happening now and what it might mean.  I have my leanings, sure, but I try not to invest too much of my self-worth into them, not to harness the blog too much to them, and to take it in stride when my leanings happen to be wrong (as everybody's turn out to be at one time or another).

In case you're interested, here's the process I go through when deciding what to criticize: 

First, I observe as closely as I can, including double-checking plays or trends that I think I might call a guy out for to make sure I'm really seeing what I'm seeing and that it's really his responsibility and not just something he's caught up in.  I also check the stats involved, if any.  If the stats and my observations fit together I might mention either or both.  If the stats and my observations differ I'll for sure mention both, give you the reasons I think the discrepancy is there, but let you make the final decision on what weighs more or whether my reasoning is faulty.

Second, I make sure the behavior is repeated, not an aberration. 

Third, I examine the guy's role and team needs.  What are the Blazers looking for him to do?  If they're relying on him heavily in 92 areas it seems cheap to call him out for not also filling the 93rd.  That's what teammates are for. 

Fourth, I ask whether the shortcoming is significant.  Is it affecting the game or the player's progress towards playing time or the team's progress towards its goals?  If not, who cares?

Fifth, I ask how new the information is.  As I said above, after you've established that Rudy Fernandez might not be the best defender, Andre Miller's jumper is shaky, and Jeff Pendergraph fouls too much you're not adding anything by harping on the point.  Once established, I'll only mention those things when something changes or when they obviously affect the outcome of a game.  In general I tend to follow what I believe the best coaches do, which is understanding a player's weaknesses but talking far more about what they can do instead of what they can't unless the situation specifically calls for the latter.  If you're thinking about trading a guy you need to remember what he isn't because the other team will be looking at that.  But in general you judge Martell Webster's game by how many threes he hit, not how many times he took people off the dribble and scored.

Sixth, rookies always get a break and their positives get emphasized way more than their negatives unless people are already going overboard in that direction.  Frankly in most cases you're grateful for anything a first-year player does well.  You expect him to make mistakes in a ton of other areas.  In some cases this extends into a player's second and third seasons as well.  I followed a critical growth curve along with Travis Outlaw's development.  In the earlier years I emphasized most of the things he did well.  As he got into his fourth season the standards got tougher.  By his fifth year I was much more critical of him on the occasions he didn't have his game together.

Finally (and this is important to me)... I may say things with a sense of humor, I may lay things flat-out sometimes, but you will never see me calling out a guy like it was something personal between him and me and you will never catch me writing things I would not say to a player in person.  Now granted, I would probably have a huge, disarming smile on my face and try to chuckle as much as I could when saying to Andre Miller, "What happened out there?  Your jumper had the same arc as George Bush's approval rating!"  But I would say it with the same sense that I write it...the sense that these are real people doing real jobs who have worked harder than I'll ever understand to get where they are. 

I think most players understand that public criticism goes with their position.  I think most of them take it well.  Most of them probably even know when they've had a bad game and are saying worse things to themselves than we say about them.  But just because we can criticize these guys doesn't mean we should be jerks about it, nor exalt ourselves by doing so.  I try not to do either.

From a non-Blazers fan:  Every fan base has their blind spots.  What is the biggest blind spot of Blazer fans?

I think it's the one I've mentioned twice already:  we get way too excited about young potential.  The Jermaine O'Neal trade ruined this fan base.   Also through the lean years we did nothing but bank on young talent.  We had to hype guys before they were ready because that was our only visible chance at salvation.  We're still kind of stuck in that mode and I don't think we'll get out of it until we get a taste of success with these players when they're older. 

Do you really love sticking it to C.I.P.?

I'm amazed at how far this has grown.  Keep it up and we're going to have to get in a cage for 2 of 3 falls!  Then again, Chad does a lot of cage work at Chippendales, so maybe I should insist on an Iron Man match instead.

In actuality I enjoy Chad very much.  I love talking Blazers with him and he's a kind, down-to-earth, and interesting guy.  Gavin Dawson is quite different than Chad--unqiue, really--but he's also someone I enjoy.  And I think everybody should have the chance to sit at the learning tree with Dwight Jaynes for a while.  I respect Dwight a ton and I love the opportunities I get to talk with him about the Blazers and sports media in general.  I only tease the people I like, am comfortable with, and trust.  That should tell you something about all of these guys.

You have to understand that your perception of any public person is colored by the medium through which they transmit.  Most people have a fairly positive impression of me.  I hope that's been earned over time and I hope it's accurate.  But that impression is possible because I've spent over four years with you, day by day, conversing and listening to you in what has ended up being millions of words over thousands of hours.  That makes it easier for us to feel like family.  Dwight Jaynes and John Canzano haven't operated in the same medium.  Their job isn't to talk with you, it's to put together something to be thrown on your porch twice a week...something informative, expert-oriented, and startling enough that you'll keep asking them to land on your porch.  Gavin and Chad are tasked with keeping a certain demographic tuning in every morning to wonder what the heck is going on and how emotionally invested in it they can get, for good or ill.  By nature those job descriptions are not going to create the same bonding association you feel with someone like me.  But that doesn't mean those people are any less interesting, welcoming, or wonderful in real life than any of us are.

 

Thanks as always for the questions.  We kind of got meta-media there as much as Blazer-oriented but that's OK every once in a while.  I do have more late arriving questions in the hopper for next time.  If you'd like to add yours, just send it to the e-mail address below.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Thanks for answering our questions Dave! It’s always a fun and informative read. The Blazers should be sending a cut of that playoff bonus to you guys. :)

by JonathanPDX on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 AM PST reply actions  

Nice one Dave,

Hope everyone here can take something from your approach on player criticism.

If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99

by fajunga on Mar 12, 2010 3:10 AM PST reply actions  

BTW

The JPEC may be worthless with the locks coming out of the drawers.

by doomsdaymachine on Mar 12, 2010 3:14 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

PGOTF

Closest I could see to your ideal Blazer pg would be Rodrigue Beabois. Sure he is 4 inches too short and needs to bring his turnovers down but he is fast as anything, has great defensive potential and has been knocking down three’s all year. Darren Collison would have been interesting also, has many of the same strengths and weaknesses, with the bonus that he can draw fouls like Bayless while racking up assists like Chris Paul (and turnovers like Monta Ellis….)

Both guys we could have had in this draft. Sigh.

Thoughts?

by MadBlaze on Mar 12, 2010 3:33 AM PST reply actions  

After reading Dave's description of PGOF

I couldn’t help but keep coming back to Mike Conley Jr. A difference between him and the guys you mention is that he might actually be available (or at least has been rumored to be for some time).

Cuban has already said Beaubois is untouchable. Like a couple other Collison supporters I had him pegged as a guy that could come to the NBA and make an immediate difference. His skill set is ideal for us, but he also makes just the right amount of money for a team like the Hornets. I can’t help but feel as though we weren’t in love with him because he was within our grasp but didn’t make the move.

Conley is the perfect point guard offensively for this team, and provides the one skill defensively that none of our other starters possess. Big time speed and agility. Not a lot of guys can run with these new age point guards, and Conley in addition to having every offensive skill you’d look for has that. He’s currently the 3rd best 3 point shooting PG in the league and at 22 years old looks as though he could be one of the best in the business for a long time to come. As opposed to Blake, he’s quick enough to take his man off the dribble, and has exceptional handles. I think he’s the end all be all in terms of point guards that would both fit this team and could be had for a reasonable price.

Devin Harris brings better all around defense and better penetration, but also isn’t as good at hitting the long ball, playing off the ball or finding the open man (specifically down low). He’d also come at a significantly higher price, and maybe not at all, depending on how the lottery and FA go.

Obligatory mention of Ricky Rubio, and how awesome he’d be here. He’s shooting 44% from 3 in the ACB league, his second consecutive season above 42% season, which was his biggest knock early on. He’s a legitimately great defender, has one of the greatest entry passes of any prospect ever, has a knack for finding the open man on the break, breaks down his opponent off the dribble, and can pick and roll with the best of em. His cost would be pretty similar to Harris (Rubio is 8 years younger) but you’d have him throughout this teams Championship window, and with him, you might even be able to expand it a bit.

by as11osu on Mar 12, 2010 4:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah....

I was mentioning Beaubois and Collison more as disappointing misses in the draft rather than acquirables now. Collison could be had for the right price and I had thought a Martell/Rudy/Przy for Collison/Okafor could be an option than would shore up our pg issues leaving Bayless as the third guard once Miller moves on and replacing Camby/Przy with a solid defensive (though ridiculously overpaid) PF/C to backup Oden and LA. Moving on…..

Conley is an interesting case. Over summer I pulled hard for us to trade for either him or Kirk Hinrich. Even now I would be willing to give up significant assets in order to acquire him were I in the GM’s chair. I agree he is a great fit offensively, as a player who can knock down threes and is more than happy to defer to stars such as Roy and LA. His previous experience with Oden would surely help to some degree although with every passing year out of college their games evolve and the value of this connection grows weaker. Defensively Conley has been consistently disappointing, being easily bullied by larger guards and not really taking advantage of his quickness and length to be a difference maker at that end of the floor. Bayless has similar quickness and agility and seems more intent on putting it to use than Conley, which is a shame. I feel the Conley boat may have passed at this point, the player always at the heart of those rumours, Mr. Outlaw, is gone and unless they are enamored with Jerryd or Martell I don’t see how we could get him in a Blazer uniform before next season.

I don’t know what the answer is at this point. I don’t think it is a big name like Devin Harris or in reality a rookie like Collison or Beaubois (despite what I would like to think). The names floated by Dave following our road trip through Toronto, Chicago, Memphis etc are the most likely but I have to believe that Hinrich and Calderon have been available if we’d really wanted them and I’m beginning to think the same is true with Conley.

Others options off the top of my head:
Mario Chalmers – character issues probably rule him out
George Hill – Would be ideal…not gonna get him
Shaun Livingston – Long shot…marginal NBA player that had talent as a distributer and defender before that horrific knee injury. Always liked him for some reason but he can’t shoot the 3 which kinda means I shouldn’t have bothered putting him here…
Jameer Nelson – Looked gettable when he was struggling with his shooting and injuries earlier in the year, not so much now.
Ramon Sessions – Poor mans Dre, and we already have the original

There is just nothing out there that makes sense. Conley is the best theory but even then it seems unlikely. Most likely outcome is a contest between Bayless and Rudy to see who can fix their major flaw (shooting/handle respectively) first and see starting minutes as the off-guard. The other will likely end up being 6th man or being shipped off. I think I’m ok with that….

by MadBlaze on Mar 12, 2010 4:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Harris and Conley look remotely gettable if all dominoes fall in the right direction in the draft or on their team. Nelson and Rubio only if we really strike it lucky or pull off a major deal. I also liked Collison before the draft as an immediate impact guy, though his upside might be higher than I expected and now he’s the Hornets Backup PG of the Future for the next few years.

Two guys I’m thinking about who may hit Dave’s description incl. his high size requirement are Alexey Shved (CSKA Moscow) and Greivis Vasquez (who worked out for the Blazers before the last draft, a la Victor Claver who also did that the year before he was drafted). Both likely available to the Blazers in the second round. Not sure things, but worth a look. Though I would hope the Blazers finally find and settle on one guy. It’s not like there are no talented young PGs out there if they don’t want to simply hand it over to Jerryd sooner or later.

by Norsktroll on Mar 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Man

Why are you always hatting on Petteri Koponen?

by tominhawaii on Mar 12, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Because I want him to become the best Finnish point guard in the Euroleague ever! He needs to win titles!
But good point, he just fits Dave’s size requirements and ability to defend both guard position, too. Maybe it’s him.

by Norsktroll on Mar 12, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Greivis Vasquez

Ah yessss, General Greivis! How could we ever forget him?

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaun Livingston – Long shot…marginal NBA player that had talent as a distributer and defender before that horrific knee injury. Always liked him for some reason but he can’t shoot the 3 which kinda means I shouldn’t have bothered putting him here…

Portland had interest in him earlier, and the Miller signing is a signal that not all guards that Nate/KP value have to come equipped with a 3-pt shot in their tool-belt. But it sure helps

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

worst blazer ever

Had to be Derrick Anderson! I was so embarrased everytime he trotted on to the floor as our starting off guard, wondering would he get a tooth ache or broken fingernail and come out of the game, or just shoot us out of the game period!. Easily the worst starting guard in team history in my humble opion

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by lyfefindsaway on Mar 12, 2010 5:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

What about a Hex?

or a mini voodoo doll house that looks like the garden?

or ….

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by faith on Mar 12, 2010 6:55 AM PST reply actions  

Great perspective given

Very well written. I hope we will stop to think a little about our own fan flaws before being so critical of players and coaches. Maybe we should focus our criticism on people that deserve it like lawyers, polticians, and l@ker fans.

JRogero

by JRogero on Mar 12, 2010 7:08 AM PST reply actions  

I'll just keep cheering and cursing the team i love becuase it's there to love, and ours to be cursed if we feel the need.

Cuz that’s what I’m suposed to do :)

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by faith on Mar 12, 2010 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave, possibly the best observation I've ever read on BE
At least part of this is because in the modern sports culture we invest our self-worth as fans more in correctly predicting the future than in accurately describing the present.

Fantastic stuff, Dave. Keep it coming.

#52

by Royster on Mar 12, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

Great Piece, Dave

However, I do have one concern regarding this quote

If they’re relying on him heavily in 92 areas……

I love you too, man….but I feel little uncomfortable with you mentioning….ummm… my area in your article. Otherwise …keep up the great work

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by 92wastheyear on Mar 12, 2010 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

I'm with Dave on the PG of the future

I honestly think that the Rudy, Roy, Bayless backcourt would work really well. As mentioned, Rudy will need to work on driving to the hoop and work on his ball handling, and Bayless will need to extend his shooting range. As Dave said though, I think this team is at least a couple years away from being legitimate contenders. That is why I wish that in the off-season we would trade away Miller for a big so that the Rudy, Roy, Bayless backcourt could get it’s chance. I think that experience would go a long way in preparing Rudy and Bayless for future seasons, and it would also give the Rudy and Bayless haters and supporters the chance to say, “I told you so”. Either it will work well, or it won’t work, in which case we would know that we would need to make other moves, rather than continually waiting year after year trying to judge what these guys’ future production will be based on inconsistent playing time.

by adaoh on Mar 12, 2010 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah people talk about a "prototypical PG"

BRoy averages about 5 asst. a game. I believe Batum may get to about the same avg., now if JBay continues to improve on his shot &I believe he will. Portland as 3 players who get you about 15 assists & are all capable of getting to the rim putting pressure on the defense. The key for me obviously is a healthy GO. IMO our offseason should be about acquiring 1 thing BEEF with a side of nastiness.

Batumshakalaka!

by We-B-Dunkin on Mar 12, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish that in the off-season we would trade away Miller for a big so that the Rudy, Roy, Bayless backcourt could get it’s chance

There’s less than 5% chance of this happening

and no offseason roster decisions should be contemplated until after the playoffs are completed. As much as I’ve been told the Blazers didn’t base their decision to deal Blake and Outlaw on their (relatively poor) performances against Houston last April, the two players did nothing to punch their long-term tickets on Portland’s roster during that series

Further “evaluations” are upcoming, this April. It says here that the pressure-cooker of the post season will reveal more about a player’s character and worth than 82 regular season games

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks on the public perception thing, Dave

The job, the vehicle of communication, does play a part in public perception. [I always appreciate your work, Dave, and the allusions often have me laughing out loud.]

While John Canzano’s writing and comments can put me off from time to time, in person (at Buffalo Wild Wings at last year’s draft) he was a prince. A friend and I approached him at his laptop and introduced ourselves. The conversation lasted several minutes before we excused ourselves because we knew he had work to do. But the guy was flat out courteous and informative while talking with a couple strangers, albeit Blazer fans.

Again, thanks for the work and point of view.
—HoopsFan

by HoopsFan on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 AM PST reply actions  

Miller

“That is why I wish that in the off-season we would trade away Miller for a big so that the Rudy, Roy, Bayless backcourt could get it’s chance.”

A case could probably be made for that. It would be taking the risk of a couple crappy seasons without Miller at the helm but would force the young guys to grow up faster.

Although I doubt the Blazers are going to be willing to gamble on having a couple losing seasons on the hope that they will come out of that stronger.

I think they did actually already go a long way in taking the training wheels off by trading Outlaw and Blake.

by lsjogren on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think the risk is worth the potential reward

plus, I actually don’t think that we would have a losing season next year with that backcourt provided that our guys (especially our bigs) can stay healthy. A healthy Roy, Batum, Aldridge, and Oden could probably beat a lot of teams 4 on 5 (ok, slight exaggeration, but you get the point), and I don’t think by next year either Rudy or Bayless would do so much more harm than good that they would cost us games.

Another thing is, it seems pretty likely to me that we don’t keep Miller beyond next season, and then we’d find ourselves in the same place, searching for who the NEXT point guard would be. So, I figure why not try the young guys starting next season so that they can gain more experience and be much more prepared for the following season, rather than continuing to be relatively unknown quantities. Either the combination of Rudy, Roy, Bayless (and possibly Batum) would be proven to work as a point guard combination, or it would prove to be a disaster, at which point the direction in which we would need to head would become much clearer.

by adaoh on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

CIP may be a prince in real life (and Gavin too) ....but I cannot stand their shtick

CIP’s on-air deal is to be a bad Jim Rome imitator (I don’t care for Rome much any more either…but at least he invented his own deal). The problems I have with CIP, Gavin, and Canzano, more than anything though, is their blatant attempts to rile us all up. If they were on an online platform they would (rightly) be labeled as trolls….because it is my perception that they don’t even believe most of the their stated positions …but just take them to get people to, like I said before, riled up. The worst problem with that, though, isn’t just me gettin’ POd. The worst part is that their lame positions start becoming part of the public perceptions of the team I love and I hate that.

Jaynes is a different breed of cat altogether…my sense with him is that does believe his position but…he just beats it to death. Over and over again …bleck

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by 92wastheyear on Mar 12, 2010 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

I completely agree

although CIP is my fav out of all three. If they weren’t purposely controversial, though, what would they talk about?

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 12, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

There are plenty of stories

surrounding the local teams …plus whatever is going on nationally for them to talk about without fabricating crap with sole purpose of trying to get a rise out of the people listening. Just look at this place ….we have plenty to talk about

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by 92wastheyear on Mar 12, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

E tu, Dave?

I must say that I find your take on Bayless more than a little annoying. It is fine to disagree, but the manner of your disagreement seems to diminish what Bayless has accomplished and dismiss those of us who have been making logical, statistically backed arguments on his behalf. I don’t think it is fair to lump such arguments under the heading “Next Big Thing.” There is a difference between spouting opinions and attempting to provide fact based analysis.

I have been jumping up and down about Bayless since shortly after he was drafted, because I believe the league has moved in a direction that places a premium on having a PG who can penetrate and score, and because I thought PG defense was one of the team’s major weaknesses. I think it would be fair to characterize most of my posts last season as being about “potential.” You may be right that it is dangerous, or pointless, for fans to try to predict the future. I certainly would acknowledge that fans are frequently wrong in our attempts to prognosticate.

This season, however, I think my posts have taken a decidedly different tack: I have not been talking about potential, I have been talking about what Bayless has been doing on the floor. I believe that you and a host of other fans seem to significantly undervalue what Bayless has accomplished in difficult circumstances:

1) Inconsistent role and minutes: I believe it is fair to say that no player on the roster has seen more fluctuation in role and minutes than Bayless. He has gone from scrap minutes as the 5th guard; to back-up SG (when Rudy was hurt); to back-up PG (when Blake got sick); to starting SG (when Roy was hurt); to combo guard (when Blake and Rudy came back); and now back to back-up PG. He has played more than 24 minutes in 14 games; played between 12 and 24 minutes in 28 games; and played less than twelve minutes, or not at all, in 20 games.

2) Dramatic improvement: Bayless PER has improved more than any player on the Blazers, and more than any PG in the NBA, from 8.7 to 16.0. That rating places him 22 among all PGs in the league. Fifth among the bumper crop of young PGs drafted in the past three years. 20 of the 21 guys ahead of him are starters.

Bayless’ TS% has increased from a weak .485 last season to an excellent rating of .545, which is better than the .531 Brandon Roy accomplished as a 23 year old in his second season; better than the .533 rate of Andre Miller this season. Bayless’ TS% is better than D Rose, R Westbrook, or T Evans three of the four PGs ahead of him in terms of PER. On a Per 36 Minute basis, Bayless is the Blazers second leading scorer behind Roy.

Bayless ability to get to the line isn’t just good it is exceptional. He is averaging 7.4 FTA Per 36 Minutes of PT. I know that many dismiss Per 36 Minute stats, however, if you consider that nearly half of Bayless total PT this season has come as a starter, and if you look at the actual list of players who have accomplished this feat, you see that this is some rare and distinguished company. In the past ten years, among first and second year guards, only five players who averaged more than 15 min/game have exceeded 6 FTA/36: Dwayne Wade, Jerryd Bayless, Devin Harris, Vince Carter and Tyreke Evans.

Without actually saying it, you seem to suggest that you are highly skeptical of Bayless’ ability to become the teams starting PG. You suggest that the team should look seriously at Rudy or Nic as possible answers at the point. I think such a suggestion is extremely problematic.

I would argue that Bayless, even given his lack of experience as a PG, is closer to being a decent distributor than either Rudy or Nic, and closer to being a quality PG defender than Rudy is likely to ever become. Bayless isn’t a good distributor yet, but the stats certainly suggest he is better than many are giving him credit for:

1) Since the Blake trade, Bayless has averaged 5.2 Assists/36 minutes of PT: This isn’t fantastic, but it certainly isn’t terrible. It is very comparable to other young scoring PGs like Rose, Evans, Stuckey, and Flynn.

2) Bayless Assist% at 22.3 is in the same range as Blake’s (22.7) and Roy’s (23.8) and is far better than Rudy’s (13.5) or Nic’s (9.3). If we don’t have time to wait for Bayless to develop improved PG skills, what makes so many confident that Rudy or Nic could make that transition any faster. In addition, Bayless’ TOV% (12.3) is lower than Rudy’s (14.3) or Andre’s (14.4), and only slightly higher than Nic’s 10.6 which isn’t surprising given that Nic handles the ball significantly less.

3) Bayless’ line since the All- Star break has been impressive: Shooting 49% from the field and 7-15 from 3pt. range and over 87% from the line. He has scored 9.5 points per game on only 16 minutes per game. On a per 36 minute basis that would be 21 points and 5.2 assists per game.

I guess what I am trying to say is that people should discuss Bayless based on what he has actually done on the floor this year rather than on some preconceived notion based on his play last year. Bayless is a relatively green 21 year old who is just now being given consistent minutes at back-up PG. The rush to judgement seems silly.

There is certainly room for discussion on whether or not Bayless will develop into an effective distributor. It isn’t certain one way or the other. There is a lot of reason for optimism and at least a bit of patience. Let’s see how Bayless does for the rest of the season before we go discussing trade proposals for other young PGs, who are not any more proficient, or for journeyman who do not have any where near Bayless’ upside potential.

by upper left corner on Mar 12, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think Dave was being down on Jerryd…

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by fajunga on Mar 12, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't so much his direct comments about Jerryd that provoked my response....

…..it was more the fact that his discussion about the PGOF seemed to legitimate all the mindless speculation that goes on about the the PG position.

Until further notice, notice from KP, I think it is safe to assume that Bayless is the PGOF. Those who speculate endlessly about trades when we have an outstanding prospect, who has rightfully earned more minutes on our bench, don’t make much sense to me. Those who criticize Bayless do so on the basis of almost no statistical analysis.

If you compare Bayless to other young PGs, you clearly see that he belongs in elite company. There may be at most a dozen PGs you would be willing to trade for Bayless, because they are more known quantities or more capable distributors, but almost none of those guys are available, and if they were the price would be extremely high.

I guess my disappointment with Dave, is that he didn’t place Bayless play in any sort of context and didn’t make much of an effort to tamp down all the speculation.

by upper left corner on Mar 12, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Isnt it possible that all of "the mindless speculation" has merit?

Different strokes for different folks. Plus, if you really take an objective look, Rex does not have the confidence of the coaching staff at point guard. He gets about 2-3 mpg on the floor without Roy or Miller in there. Hell, a couple games ago he got pulled with a minute left in the first half so Rudy could run the point. 2 buckets ensued, one was an Aldridge layup on a fastbreak that was assisted by Rudy. Surely you can accept there is at least a small possibility that your opinion on Bayless and the PGOF debate may not be accurate…

RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP

by Rudiculous on Mar 12, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that both Rudy and Jerryd have point guard potential

But I don’t think we necessarily need a ‘point guard.’ I really think that we’ll end up keeping both of them.

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by fajunga on Mar 12, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

From now on, I'm just going to automatically rec every post from ULC

I’d do it now, but I’m on my mobile.

It’s true: Bayless has a lot of room for improvement. He’s productive right now, though. That means we’ve got a productive guy who is very likely to become even more productive.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Mar 12, 2010 12:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

regarding #2

turns out, not all assists are created equally. So just comparing assist% isn’t telling the whole story. There’s a great article that recently came out here. Bayless of all people is first on the list of guards who “lose” the most effective assists under the author’s weighting system. Now, I’m not saying he’s right, just that it’s another interesting way to look at it.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/03/10/nba-hd-adjusting-how-we-measure-and-view-assists/

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 12, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting, thanks

I agree with some of the commenters there that while not all assists are the same, his method is flawed, in that the efficiency factor gets double counted. He factors the shot location into the number of assists, when the number of assists itself (or more accurately, assist ) will be affected by shot location and the correspondingly higher expected shooting percentage. It’s like calculating FG based on FGM. I agree about the 3pt adjustment though.

Ideally, what should be factored in is the number of misses off a players passes in proportion to makes; it’s possible that he’s using his system as a substitute for a stat that isn’t available, but as it is, the method is flawed.

by Epimenides on Mar 12, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You suggest that the team should look seriously at Rudy or Nic as possible answers at the point.

“The point” is a nebulous term. Unless your team has a traditional PG, then the playmaking will get done (or not) from a variety of sources. In the NBA, you are who you guard, and by necessity Jerryd will defend opposing PGs. That doesn’t automatically make him a “PG” on offense, however. What Dave is saying (or how I read his comments) is that Portland could very well have a “PG by committee” in years to come, with passes leading to baskets being made from players who defend the SG and SFs positions on the floor. (Greg Oden may also develop into a distributer of the ball from the post—we saw flashes of that earlier this year)

There’s no need for anyone to be “defensive” about Bayless’ status as a “shooting guard in a PG’s body” That’s what Terry Porter was, back in the day. And many other great NBA “combo” guards have gone on to win championships. The goal shouldn’t be to turn Bayless into Steve Blake (pass-first, risk-averse, etc) but to integrate Bayless’ skillset into the lineup while winning ballgames. We’ve seen this process succeed fairly well during the challenges of this season, as his stats reflect. He was thrown into the deep end of the pool and has found a way to survive, and even flourish at times.

But for the Blazer’s offense to click in the future, the passing skills of Fernandez and Batum (as well as Roy and Oden, etc) will need to be developed and the team will need the veteran leadership of Miller for at least one more season. Jerryd will continue to get his opportunities (I suspect that’s part of why Blake was dealt) and if Bayless is the right “fit” for the future starting lineup he’ll eventually replace Andre. But to say he will “for sure” at this juncture is to fall into the kind of “fortune telling” that Dave spoke about during the mailbag

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a few 'technical' quibbles

with some of your assumptions

First, your mention of portland’s possible cap-space level in the event Przybilla opted out. This summer, the committed salary + the cap-holds for the Euro’s would put Portland at about 52 million in team salary. Add in the 1st round pick and it’s well over 53 million…which could be really close to the cap

But the bigger issue would be Przybilla and Camby. Even though Joel opted out, he’d still represent a 11.1 million cap-hold applied to Portland’s team salary. And Camby would represent a 13.6 million cap-hold. The Blazers, having only the possibility of having 0-2 million in cap-space would be unlikely to renounce the rights to either Przybilla or Camby. That would be throwing away options and KP isn’t prone to limiting his options.

As far as the trade value of the expiring contracts of Przybilla and Miller, I’d say their value would be fairly low. That’s because, generally, expiring contracts this summer and next season will have to compete with a likely glut of league-wide cap-space. As we know, several teams will have significant cap-space this summer. Once you scoll down the list of free agents below the level of the top names, it’s not an impressive list. Add in the likelihood that some of those top free agents will re-sign with their current teams, and it’s almost certain that several teams will carry substantial cap-space into next season’s trade deadline. And when it comes to salary-dumping, cap-space easily trumps expiring contracts.

by moldorf on Mar 12, 2010 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

that's an "anti-culture" option

that I wouldn’t expect from KP, based on his past behavior and comments

Unless there’s no hope of a return to the court from Przy, I wouldn’t expect him to be cut. And if he is declared medically retired, the Blazers would benefit from insurance payments, regardless

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Then we could just sign him to a lesser deal

and his cap hold instantly gets replaced by the smaller deal. Renouncing is simply a different beast from straight up cutting someone. It was hardly a sign of the apocalypse when we renounced Frye, so it’s not like this is unprecedented.

#52

by Royster on Mar 12, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of past blazers, the most underrated is darius

if he didn’t take away our capspace, we might have out bidded toronto and would have hedo on this team

thanks darius

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by thomasikehara on Mar 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

Or conversely if they didn’t try to medically retire him, they could have had his expiring deal at the last deadline. Oh well..

by Norsktroll on Mar 12, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure KP has a few regrets re: the handling of Miles

but at the time I thought the Blazers just wanted to wash their hands of Darius and get him out of the PF. The best laid plans…often go awry

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The Clippers took Outlaw and Blake for Camby when I didn’t think they would.

I think this comment dovetails nicely with Sterling’s comments re: Sloan being like a “Star Trek” convention

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

This was actually the first time I ever made the newspaper, as Dwight Jaynes got hold of my stat work, conclusions, and that money quote and ran them nearly verbatim in his column. (This was before I was blogging and while he was still working in print.)

Have the two of you kissed and made up about this, yet? I don’t suppose he mentioned your name in his original Oregonian column…

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent article!

Your explanation of your thought processes when critiquing a player was very enlightening. I think those same principles can and should be practiced by anyone in a position to give guidance and feedback.

I am usually entertained and educated by your articles. Please keep us BlazerManiacs in check. Good work!

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by ltbbmom on Mar 12, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

the more I’ve thought about it the more I’m hoping that we experiment without the traditional point guard at all…that Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum get shots alongside Roy and someone else…maybe Bayless if we can bank on his shot more.

Ditto. Jerryd meets (or could meet) most of the criteria that you listed for the “ideal” PG other than 6’4 with long arms and big hands. Batum and Rudy could develop into decent playmakers/passers and of course Brandon will continue to “take over” in crunch time

Of course, if KP decides he wants to go after someone like Devin Harris, then all bets are off

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t think at this point you add or depend on another young point guard outside of what you already have,

Thank you!

I’m sure when we get to draft time there will be cries of “KP has gotta draft this PG!” but goodness-gracious-sakes-alive can’t we have a moratorium on developing young PGs for a few years, at least?! The Blazer’s track record in this department is worse than their road losing streaks to Golden State, San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix were combined heading into this season! Of course we know that KP and Paul Allen will continue to drool over the newest/shiniest PG prospect every June…but they’re only wasting their draft choices on these waterbugs…unless they can somehow find that 6-4, long-armed big-handed “perfect fit” kid who maybe can play in Europe for a few years (but maybe they already have one in the pipeline…named Koponen?)

When Andre wears out, make a trade for another veteran PG. Or if you’re really lucky, perhaps Bayless and Petteri will have this position covered, anyway

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It is silly to flatly forsake your teams biggest hole

This team needs a PGOTF more than they need anything else. Having assets go to fill depth at positions where you already have that talent and depth is a waste of those assets. That’s like the Raiders saying let’s not draft a QB because in the past we haven’t been able to develop one, so it’s just not going to happen for us. No matter the track record, you need that QB/PGOTF or there’s going to be a gigantic hole in your depth chart/roster for years to come. It’s not a mystery on how to develop a PG either. They need time on the court. Look at how many PG’s this year have made names for themselves. It’s not science, it’s just having a coach that puts and leaves them in the game. Does Chris Paul suck if he gets drafted here? It’s faulty logic leaving a void in your long term roster because “we can’t ‘develop’ a point guard”.

by as11osu on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still not convinced

that a team needs an elite PG to win a title. I think your swingman and front court are by far more critical components. Assuming you can’t have a star at every position, I’d opt for veteran at the PG over any other position, considering the amount of ball handling and positioning/playcalling responsibilities that fall on the point compared to other positions.

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree you don't need to be elite at every position

But you need guys that fit your Championship timetable and also fit in with your starting lineup. Whether that’s the 27 year old Devin Harris or a player that’s younger, this guy should be signed through the foreseeable future. The bulk of the Championship window for this team is in the future 3-5 years. Given this fact, a player that’s relatively young is a must for this team in the future. Use assets towards that end, because our biggest long term obstacle at this point to us turning that final corner.

by as11osu on Mar 12, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Your comments seem to suggest that you don't think Bayless is even in the picture.....

…..is this a correct reading of your position?

I can understand having doubts. I don’t really understand thinking that he has no chance of developing further given that he has shown tremendous improvement and a world class work ethic.

by upper left corner on Mar 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

like the Raiders saying let’s not draft a QB because in the past we haven’t been able to develop one, so it’s just not going to happen for us

The Raiders (like the Blazers) have other options to acquire a QB. Unless they have added a superior QB-developing assistant coach, they should pursue a veteran QB in a trade, or as a FA

Portland isn’t in a rebuilding mode, anymore. Even when they were (2004-2007) they weren’t drafting or developing young PGs particularly well (Jarrett Jack = combo, etc) Now that the Blazers are in contending mode, it makes even less sense to draft and develop rookie PGs. There’s no time to play them in actual games. If the starting PG is injured you can’t count on the kid to “fill in” with any degree of consistency and even if the Blazer’s scouts were to catch lightning in a bottle and discover the next Terry Porter, chances are the coaching staff isn’t going to develop them well enough to reach that level of performance

So keep scouting (and propping up) rookie PGs if you must. But I agree with Dave, the better plan is to look in another direction…which is to acquire the “PGOTF” as a FA or via trade. (Unless the decision is made that Bayless and/or Koponen are the best candidates for the job…)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying you have to DRAFT a PG

but you need a young point guard that will be a viable member of our starting unit throughout our Championship window. We don’t have that now, and we need that. Thus the whole PGOTF discussion. It’s our #1 need position going forward. It’d be wasteful to not look into upgrading the long term answer at the position.

by as11osu on Mar 12, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

then we're in agreement, but on a case-by-case basis.

Again, I agree with Dave that “6’4 with long arms and big hands” is preferable to 6’nothing and 170-180 lbs. I’ve seen a lot of skilled waterbugs over the years who look really cool, but rarely do their teams advance very far in the post season. Like Warkentein said last week, the hand-checking rules dictate that GMs need to consider the small guys more now than in the past. But KP has already drafted enough of them (Green, Mills, even skinny Sergio) and Bayless is already showing signs of being a pace-changing guard—plus Jerryd has a solid build to defend taller PGs better than one of those “tiny” guys

I think Conley’s body-size is borderline, as a defender he’s not an upgrade

Collison might be OK, but is he ready to run a playoff team? Maybe. But why would NOLA trade him when he’s affordable and he could play alongside CP3 for parts of games?

Harris I like (more importantly, KP likes him too) If NJ gets a top-3 pick and selects Wall, I’d make an offer for Devin (some combination of Miller, Rudy, Bayless, Webster, Euros) I’d keep Batum off the table

And I continue to dream about Tony Parker and Pop coming to PDX. Size doesn’t matter so much when you’ve already been to the top of the hill a few times…

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

the case for adding a veteran PG versus a younger one

Nate will give an established vet a longer leash to take chances than he will a young player. For example, last night Andre tried to thread the needle on a 3/4 court pass to LMA and the ball was tipped and turned over. It’s easy to imagine that kind of pay being the reason for Nate to “yank” Sergio (etc) in previous years.

Veterans like Andre have more cred with Nate (even though it didn’t appear to be that way, during the first 1/3 of the season!) As long as McMillian is the head coach it makes sense for KP to target experienced PGs and not keep drafting or acquiring more youngsters. Where the “line” is drawn (re: how old or how long a player has been in the league) is up for debate, but I suspect that Harris would fare better than Conley under Nate (added bonus: Devin is top shelf re: mental toughness, according to his pre-draft psych eval)

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by two4larue on Mar 13, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

FWIW

acquiring the PGs that you like (Conley, Collison, etc) after they’ve been in the league for a few years is in a different “category” of developement than drafting them directly out of college. But as much as I like the idea of Rubio in red/black, I’m pretty sure that Portland’s system would be 180 degrees backwards for Ricky. At least as long as Nate is the head coach

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by two4larue on Mar 12, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

oops, replied at the wrong place...re-do

Nate will give an established vet a longer leash to take chances than he will a young player. For example, last night Andre tried to thread the needle on a 3/4 court pass to LMA and the ball was tipped and turned over. It’s easy to imagine that kind of mistake being the reason for Nate to "yank" Sergio (etc) in previous years.

Veterans like Andre have more cred with Nate (even though it didn’t appear to be that way, during the first 1/3 of the season!) As long as McMillian is the head coach it makes sense for KP to target experienced PGs and not keep drafting or acquiring more youngsters. Where the "line" is drawn (re: how long a player has been in the league, or how old he is) is up for debate, but I suspect that Harris would fare better than Conley under Nate (added bonus: Devin is top shelf re: mental toughness, according to his pre-draft psych eval)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 13, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like to see KP go after OJ Mayo to pair with Roy in the backcourt

having a SF defender like batum helps cover the defeciency at the PG on defense.. Mayo would be an excellent fit next to Roy IMO

by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 12, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I have no problem with Joel taking any money "on the table"

he is a guy we can feel good about cashing in, whatever comes. We really don’t know all the medical details. I expect he will play if the doctor’s don’t give him a serious warning about living with a limp afterwards. He doesn’t have to jump much to be useful. There is no questioning his heart, or Blazer loyalty.
And, your are right, we may overvalue our rookies, but that is pretty standard procedure for fans. We have to find something to hope in, and any rookie is talented, relative to most of us. I have no problem with over valuing our players. We just have to not panic when they fall short. When it comes to all the trade scenarios, from a distance, we see highlight reels, close up we see zits, and everybody has their flaws.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Mar 12, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

ok, ok

SOME trade scenarios. Some trades are quite good, even essential.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Mar 12, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

"No cursing on Blazersedge."

hilarious, one-liners like that keep me coming back

by Oggbog on Mar 12, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Good read Dave
At least part of this is because in the modern sports culture we invest our self-worth as fans more in correctly predicting the future than in accurately describing the present. Young players, with their ambiguous present and unbounded future, allow us easy opportunity to make such predictions.

well said!

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by Net Ranger on Mar 12, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

always the right tone

these are real people doing real jobs who have worked harder than I’ll ever understand to get where they are.

Your tone and implied optimism never fail. I love your writing.

by ItsMrHarris2u on Mar 13, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

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