china fans' perspective about Andre Miller: he is the problem
I have been hanging around here for a long long time. I enjoy you guys talking, big time. Considering my poor English and the whole T-MAC all-star thing (most of you blame China fans and you actrually have a solid case), I hold my tongue. However, things are getting worse here about Andrew Miller. I cannot shut up any more.
I have been a fan of trailblazer more than two years( when CCTV 5 broadcasted the game against Lakers on 04/09/2008, they say so much good things about the team's stars and uprising future).Since then, I almost watched every game the team played(and more than once of each game). I am activity on most of china websets concerning the team. Here I want to speak up the china fans' version of Andre Miller( not all chinese fans, but what I learn and share with some). I do not expect you guys to agree, just take a look at it.
I will go toe-to-toe with some arguments about Andre Miller I read here earlier:
1 Andre did not earn the start spot because Nate was looking for the most perfect combination, not better individual player. Like Andre said "if I were the coach, I also would not change the lineup which accomplished 54 wins.
2 Andre could not make Greg shine. Kobe made Shaq shine, not Dereck Fisher( I know you guys hate lakers, I dont hate them but I enjoy you beat them). Trailblazer will become dangerous once roy learn bow to connect with Greg. Greg said "Andre is the fresh air to him" because he got the ball from Andrew more often. I thank andre for that. I still think there is trusting issue between greg and the other members. we need to fix it. Andre's biggest strengthes are initiating fast breaks and drawing fouls. Neither will benefit Greg in long term.
3 Andre really shot you guys out of win in some tight games. Not because his shot isn't falling. Andre had a very bad habit. Most of his "barely near the rim" shot ended up with long distant board which would automatically translate into the opponents' fast break points.
4 I dislike him because of this one: his business attitude. The number of china funs is amazingly increased amoung 08/09 season. The announcers and the fans talk about the team's attitude all the time. We believe the young traiblazer is fighting for recognization, pride and honor. His business attitude just looks so uncomfortable to us.
5 Andre hurts the team's chemistry. Last season, the team huddled in those crisis moments. At the final moment of the sixth game of the rockets series, our annoncers strongly appraised the unity of the team when roy initiated the huddle to comfort each other. Those touching moments can barely be seen this season. I blame it on Andrew because of his disinterests in those tiny but important things.
6 Andre hurts your star player's production. There is no coincidence that his best performance and roy's best performance did not come together. Some of your judgements on this one is not fair to roy. I will post another one on this issue later because my English and energy can only carry me this far. ( give you a tip: if I have to choose a leader for this team, I will choose Brandon in a heartbeat)
7Andre overruled your coach on court and disrepected him off the court. I really have hard time to accept it. It is extremely inappropriate and unprofessional. The young blazers are uprising on the foundation of discipline and unity. His behavior as a veteran is disgusting on this one. That is the time i am fully convinced that he is the problem.
I guess I am officially a Andre-basher which I am not. I believe Andre is a crafty veteran who can take a medium team to playoff. Without him, you guys are done already this season. But for china funs like me who expect roy and greg to take the team to the "c" world, he is not qualified. I welcome any comment, even the one bashing me. I am just so excited that this is the first time that my voice be heard here. I want to be the link between china funs and you guys. You are hilarious. By the way, I love the team because of roy at first ( hint: it is weird that everytime kobe played against him, kobe looked like a rookie). Now, I love everything about the team, period.( apparently not miller).
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by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
excellent perspective chinafanheartsroy...
i think your heart AND head are in the right place, and you’re correct when you say we wouldn’t have made it this far without Dre. he will be a valuable asset in the near future, however, maybe not part of our long-term solution.
keep cheering on the Blazers in China!
by thankyouforblaze on Mar 11, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
your enthusiasm for the Blazers is welcome
and your opinions will be welcomed by at least one of our friends, who is probably fist pumping right now in Hawaii
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
tom
tom
tom
Heartbroken..... Our goats have escaped.
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST reply actions
his wife is Chinese - he wouldn't ever be let in the house
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
hmm i thought she was Vietnamese
Heartbroken..... Our goats have escaped.
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 10, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Japanese?
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
i could be wrong
all I remember is well-endowed Asian
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
She is actually Korean
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I thought she's an American
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
yeah...I think you are right
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Depends which wife you are referring to.
The way I hear it, Tom is the particle accelerator of chick magnets. He even has pre-teen girls tossing messages in the ocean in the hope he replies.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
fusion
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
She prefers Burmese decor
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 10, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
who doesn't?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
I know. He just seemed disappeared these days. I actually pick up his duty.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
I am sure he can use the break
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 10, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
I wish you luck - that's a hard road to pull
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
funny, if someone were to execute a plan to get Andrew off the team
convincing management that 1.2 billion overseas funs couldn’t stand him might work. In fact, if David Stern found out, he run Miller out of the NBA
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
trade for andrew bynum!
Heartbroken..... Our goats have escaped.
by Starvin' Marvin on Mar 10, 2010 8:23 PM PST reply actions
the american yao ming
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
I rec'ed this - greatest honor on Blazersedge
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
Bringing in an "outsider"
To what until then had been a pretty close-knit group of guys, did seem to create unforeseen problems, but also hopefully will teach our guys about professionalism and what it takes to be successful year in and year out.
Plus it raises awareness for “well, why CAN’T Roy work with Oden more?” or “well, why DO we need a PG who can hit the 3, if he isn’t as good in other areas?”.
With our injuries, Dre has saved our chances to be in the playoffs, and next year if all goes well, he’s either helping us still or becomes an expiring contract. It was a good idea bringing him in.
Mortimer
#52
by Mortimer on Mar 10, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
very sensible
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I like the capitalization - very Sedaris
but you forgot to ask how to say Naked Mole Rat in Chinese
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
We trust you will do better next time.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
ding ding ding ding
Plus he is good enough not to hurt our chances in an unexpected title run if we rose to the challenge this season. The likelihood of this potentiality has been greatly reduced by our staggering injury situation, but Andre is the one that has kept us in the playoff picture at all.
The goal with bringing Miller in always seemed to me to be able to do 3 basic things:
1. Bring a stronger ‘floor general’ type guard to the team.
2. Improve interior passing game to Greg in the post.
3. Show Bayless the ropes on how to run an NBA offensive set so he could step into that role when Dre’s contract expires.
Dre admittedly does not come across as a touchy feely guy, but honestly I don’t think it is him that has lead to the disruption of team chemistry this season. Maybe at the beginning of the year some, but I attribute a lot of that to Nate not establishing clear expectations up and down the roster.
The Nate thing aside, I think the pressure of huge expectations coupled with the weekly disruption of a new serious injury seemingly every single week for two months straight has made this season less fun. It is kinda of the team version of an individual player hitting the rookie wall. You do all the same things to improve but it feels as if you are running up a flight of stairs with 1000 pound weights strapped around your ankles.
These guys have fought through all this so far, and in fact, last night I did feel this tam was more together than I have seen so far this season (even though the game is more of a struggle than we expected). Even Dre seems more engaged with his team mates in the off floor stuff.
Lastly I agree, Roy is and should be the leader of this team. Dre is a role player.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I hate #3
No one ever said Bayless learned the ropes from Blake. I would say that it was easier to learn and better for Bayless to learn behind Blake.
Blake did pretty much exactly what the coach wanted and Miller often does his own thing. It seems to me that all Bayless had to do was watch Blake and say, “If I just do that, then I can start”.
It’s like learning to paint by watching Bob Ross instead of Thomas Kinkade (not meant as a compliment to Miller). It would be better to learn the basics before learning the flashy plays and tricks.
I'd have to agree, to a degree
Bayless has enough dynamic creativity to benefit more from improving his fundamentals. However, I wouldn’t want Bayless learning how to shoot a J from either one of them. Posting up – now that is something Andre could teach Bayless.
by blacknoiseNW on Mar 11, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I guess this is where my problem comes in
I am not sure doing exactly what nate wants will turn this team into a championship contender. I am skeptical at best of our prospects as long as nate is the coach.
Basketball is somewhat opportunistic at times and being able to exploit those opportunities is key. I think these players, at times, have ‘Sarge’ in their head instead of the opposing team and how to beat them givien the current situation on the floor.
Nate spent years bashing into their heads ‘do it my way’ which was good for a young rebuilding team, but now he is having a hard time getting his guys to be more opportunistic. How many times we have heard this season that he is yelling at the guys to push it up the floor and they either can’t or don’t do it?
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
In the context of starting or getting more run, Bayless would be smart to do what Nate wants
And like I said, if Blake is playing like it is in a paint by number and Miller is doing pointillism, it seems like it would be easier for Bayless to learn from Blake than Miller.
At this point, Bayless needs to be worried about getting playing time and not what he can bring to a championship contender. That’s why I think it is absurd to assume that Miller is a better mentor to Bayless or that he can learn more by watching Miller instead of Blake.
If Bayless wanted to play like Blake, he would have learned to dribble the ball until the
clock was nearly run out, toss it to Brandon and run to the 3pt spot and then if Brandon didn’t make the play, he would shoot from this spot. Not rocket science.
Since when is miller flashy???
His decision making and post-up moves are his strengths. I know I’m not going to convince you of anything, but Dre’s survived the trade deadline and Blake didn’t because his fundamentals ARE better than Blake’s.
Now, Bayless’ weak jumper isn’t going to improve from watching Miller, granted. But we’ve seen him become more motivated, more consistent (yes, I know he’s still inconsistent, but he’s improving), a lot tougher, and his play making is slowing starting to improve. Is this because of the increased experience and minutes this year? Probably to a pretty significant degree, but Bayless himself gives a lot of credit to Miller. Forgive me if I trust his assessment more than I do yours. If Bayless says he learns from Miller, not Blake, I believe him. Maybe you don’t want him learning to be like Miller; but Bayless and Miller have carried us through games/quarters to keep us in contention far more times than Blake did, and that alone makes Miller valuable enough.
Didn't you see the tomahawk dunk?
Miller is all about flash.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
by xedubx on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh...no
but Dre’s survived the trade deadline and Blake didn’t because his fundamentals ARE better than Blake’s.
He survived the trade deadline because Blake and Travis had expiring contracts and the Clips wanted some money
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that he was better is irrelevant really
The Clips wanted expiring contracts …..so that meant Blake and Trout. Even if Blake had been somewhat better …he still would have been traded
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Flashy might have been a bad word, I should have said "flashier than Blake"
Do you have any links or quotes in regards to Bayless learning more from Miller than Blake?
I am just going off memory, but to my recollection, Bayless has paid his respects to both guys, give them their dues and then followed it up with his belief in his own abilities.
which context? How many pages are you on?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
In a conversation about Andre Miller
It doesn’t make any sense to bring up the Raptor announcers distaste for Donte Green celebrating after a made basket.
I could have pretended that it was intentional and tried to make it on topic, but I decided not to. Coming clean was the right thing to do. I messed up :-(
Morty
#52
And I just got this and the Junk Drawer open
Plus email, fantasy basketball pages, work stuff.
M—
#52
C'mon guys... these are the best responses BEdge muster?
This is a very well thought out post and we only get one-liners and English lessons? Not to mention, his grammar is actually quite a bit superior to a lot of posts I see consistently on BEdge.
Specifically, I find his arguments in points 4 and 5 particularly compelling. There is something lacking in camaraderie on this team and I think it’s been worse since the Outlaw trade (which I supported). Aside from Howard sticking up for Rudy, there seems to be a lot of pent-up frustration on this team. If you you think the Roy ISOs are getting on the nerves of the fans, how do you suppose the players are reacting to it? Sergio is gone from Rudy. Blake and Outlaw are gone for Roy. GO and Joel are gone from everybody so LMA is playing out of position and being called soft. Web is struggling.
There is every reason for fragile emotions on this team and—as Chinafansheartroy points out—it’s hard to see that Miller is helping the situation. Not hurting it, perhaps… but not helping.
One thing you would hope that a veteran player could bring is some sort of “togetherness” and team unity. Howard seems to bring that. But not Miller.
I’m not a huge Nate fan because of his offense but I have to praise him for keeping this state of affairs intact. We’ve heard about him forcing players to help each other up… to run… to be ready when their number is called, etc. There are many coaches for whom this team would have exploded/imploded (pick the direction of the force). Instead, we’re still vying for the playoffs.
Miller does some great stuff and I’ve always loved him from a statistical standpoint and been puzzled why he doesn’t stick with teams more. I guess one could say he’s performing just like history would suggest: lots of good statistical production—even some fast breaks on this team, which is as rare as ham on bagels in Israel (my best Dave impression)—but he has no glue to offer this young team. Apparently.
Last year, team huddles. This year, conflicting messages to Bayless about whether to make or miss a free throw. It’ll be an interesting end to the season.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
by Phizbin on Mar 10, 2010 8:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think real responses will come
Part of the problem is that I think most who have read this post, think it is a “joke” post.
I am not sure it is, so I wanted to respond realistically as well.
M—
#52
why it is a “joke” post? I dont get it
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
It's not but some people will think it is.
Maybe because you get the guy’s name wrong about twenty times. No worries—I would probably get a Chinese guy’s name wrong even more.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
There is nothing to be sorry about. We have a poster here at the Bedge
who loves to incite other posters by exaggerating Andre’s faults, real or perceived, every chance he gets. Some of us may have thought that your post was actually written by this poster, TominHawaii, who was “pulling our leg” again. He’s very good at it!
#52
I didn't think of that
if “that certain poster” were going to try to pull a trick on us, it’d probably look just like this post does.
…suddenly I’m wondering if I’m being tricked right now…
Well I don't think that Tom's post would have as much substance and thoughtfulness as this one does.
Even though I disagree with the premise behind the post and by extension most of the conclusions, I still see it as substantive and having logical arguments in the foundation.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I don't need to pretend to be someone else to bash Miller
by tominhawaii on Mar 11, 2010 3:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No Tom, but your act might benefit from a bit of "freshening."
OTOH, many might say the same about my relentless Bayless boosterism.
by upper left corner on Mar 11, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what else I can do
I pretty much only bash him on the main page and when folks call me out
but there was a time...
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 6:12 AM PST up reply actions
Never was a time
I kept getting compared to a huge jerk, so I tried to change my name, and then the jerk changed his name to tominrehab. I’d still be dragline if it wasn’t for him.
there was a very confusing time, then
I wonder where that huge jerk is now
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't know you were dragline
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
They are not exaggerated
They are simple truths that I believe are there for everyone to see if they would just lift the veil of deception.
you did well
we had fun with fun for fan as well
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Don't worry about it!
They are very interesting points. People are just cautious about someone playing a trick on them.
Welcome to Blazers Edge! I’m glad you’re posting after reading for a while.
Mortimer
#52
what does the rec list mean? agree
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
it means enough people liked it that it became one of the most popular posts on the site.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
It also means keep posting.
You are doing a good job.
Of course after starting out so well with your first post, it is possible that you can only go down hill from here. Until I see further evidence, I’ll put my money on you continuing to post interesting comments.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Make sure you check these out too
Relatively, you’re not new, but it’s always nice to reread the rules.
There are rules?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Don't apologize.
Let us see how many BE fans on this side of the ocean can post a response in Mandarin, Cantonese or Haka.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
thank you. too concern about my english, I almost use the dictionary on every word. But you know, the player's name is just not in there
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Does Andre Miller have a nickname in China?
Like Fan Gu Zai for Carlos Boozer?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
yes, we call him "Mo Wenwei" . you guys are not familiar. It's a chinese singer's name. and it is a "she". They just have so many similarities in looks. we have fun
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
amazing
http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Mo+Wen+Wei
she’s no Naked Mole Rat
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully Andre will never pose in plastic wrap.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
If Andre Miller really looked like Mo Wenwei ....
… he would automatically become my favorite player.
Hell, I’m willing to bet that even Tom might modify his opinion.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I could see having a soft spot for him because of his underdog status
Beyond that, it would creep me out if a black guy from California looked like a petite Asian woman. It would have an MJ (the dead one) feel to it.
I think there's not much of a major response...
…because there’s not a lot to say. He position is well reasoned enough (and goes so far out of its way to be non-confrontational about it) that anybody that disagrees probably doesn’t feel the need to argue… and anybody that agrees probably doesn’t feel the need to say “me too”.
Speaking for myself, I feel strongly on this topic, but don’t have anything to say. His points are valid. I somewhat disagree with his overall conclusion. I think that the he and the rest of the team can adjust and make it work. What else is there to say?
I guess what I’m saying is, this post is the like the exact opposite of what gave Howard Stern such great ratings.
further side note
I’m now contemplating the implications of this on general social interactions… like how “bad boys” tend to be so much more popular than “nice guys” (and not just with the wimmenz)… anyway…
Agreed
The OP brings an interesting perspective. It’s stuff we’ve heard before, but it’s interesting to see the way someone from another country puts it together, with such a high emphasis on team culture.
I can’t really argue with any of the points. Right now, with all the injuries, Miller is key in keeping this team afloat, but its still an open question of whether he can be a part of a championship Blazers team, complementing Roy and Oden and contributing to team unity. I’m not saying I know he won’t, just that it doesn’t seem certain. Here’s hoping.
I've been saying it all day
I’ll ban myself for a year if the Blazers get out of the first round with Miller as the starting point guard.
As a true Blazers fan, I wish and pray he proves me wrong.
If you banned yourself for a year there would be an exodus of 50% of
the current Bedgers and the entertainment value of the Bedge would be reduced by at least 35%. That’s my contribution to statistics today.
#52
Little wonder statistics get a bad reputation.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Those are just statistics
but do they really contribute to a blog championship??? I don’t think so
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
well when they don't get out this year - I wouldn't blame Andre
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein
I think it is an excellent post.
And you are correct. It is presented better than many positions and arguments we see here.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
welcome china, thanks for sharing your observations.
As long as you like it when the Blazers beat the Lakers, you have friends here.
I have not watched as many games, so I may not have noticed the fine details of Andre’s social interaction, but I agree that the bond of the players is an important factor. Also, I agree that outside shooting is not Andre’s strength.
I am not sure it is all business for Andre. Would he loose his temper with coach if he didn’t care? He gets paid anyway. He may seem a bit reserved at times, but I see him enjoying his team mates at times also.
So, I am not convinced that Andre is such a problem. I will have to see more.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
I do know that Andre went to a birthday party celebration for Juwann Howard. I also saw the look on the
faces of the Blazers bench when Andre dunked in Colorado. They were ALL on their feet and HAPPY for him. I think Andre is quiet. He takes the game seriously, which is what he means by “business”. He is a professional who doesn’t go out and party but works on his game. He has a strong competitive spirit. He loves passing the ball and seems to only go to the rim and score for himself when others are unable to do so.
I think he felt disrespect from his coach. He is a veteran who has been a starter for EVERY TEAM HE HAS PLAYED WITH, EVERY TEAM. Nate McMillan stated in preseason that the starters would EARN their starting positions. Andre outplayed Blake by a mile. Yet McMillan started Blake. He had his reasons. BUT he should NOT have made the statement about EARNING YOUR STARTING POSITION IN THE PRESEASON. Yet Andre remained quiet. He even backed McMillan’s decision by making the statement about the 54 win team. Blake played VERY POORLY for games. Andre was put in WITH Blake as a starter. Then OUT again…Blake continued to play poorly. Finally Nate conceded and started Andre. For about 25 minutes a game. Took him out of the game in the 4th quarter. Andre had had enough after the horrible home loss to Memphis where the Blazers blew a 13 point lead while Andre watched from the bench. FINALLY Andre said something to the coach in a CLOSED MEETING. Where reporters happened to be LISTENING IN. Andre spoke up because he CARES. He wants to win.
He came into a stiuation which was not at all easy. The team had been together with only the addition of rookie players(main rotation players) for about 3 years. He was the first free agent veteran that had come to the team since McMillan has been here. And what did McMillan do? Make the transition easier by clearly establishing roles with the goal being TEAM WINS? No, instead he allowed his past (as a point guard who was supplanted by a rookie and put on the bench) and his fear of what Brandon may NOT feel comfortable with…to guide his decisions.
I think that DESPITE what McMillan has done, Miller has become an accepted member of this team. His teammates respect his professional attitude and hard work ethic.
I do not think Andre’s being a part of the Blazers has detratcted from team chemistry. If anything has it has been McMillan’s style of leadership and lack of communication where it matters that has caused any chemistry problems.
Nate is the coach and in my mind has a key responsibility in getting the players to mesh as a team with the goal of winning. I feel it is his and NOT Miller’s responsibility to ensure this happens.
by Natsthecat on Mar 11, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I totally disagreed with your position until you WENT WITH CAPS
now I am convinced otherwise
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Did you ever figure out the block quote deally??
If so, you do the exact same thing, but instead of of the quote marks icon after you highlight the desired part, click the “B” icon on the far left instead and you will get this
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
another html tip
you CAN forget any automatic function and do it yourself…..
bold is a “less than” “b” “greater than” what you want bold “less than” “/” “b” “greater than”
Knowledge is power. Italics works the same with “i” instead of “b”.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
rec
nicely said.
Also, I don’t know if I remember anyone else pointing out the inconsistency of Oden’s first year (after micro) when Nate gave Oden the start over Przy. Where was the “earning rule” then ? Where was the let’s be fair to the established starter then? Andre had proven a lot more that Oden had, without getting the start over the previous starter, not to mention Joel was more capable as a center than Blake as a PG.
I suspect (after Nate’s recent comments of “not wanting to call Andre out”) that Nate has not quite burried the hatchet with Andre just yet, which is not great.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Yeah, and in one of his statements he said "Brandon, Jarryd and Miller" (not sure about
the names of the first two players but Nate used the player’s first names and then used Miller instead of Andre or Dre. I think it was a statement about getting to the basket so it wasn’t a put down or anything. Just noticed the use of the first names and then Miller.
And this happened just as my dislike of McMillan was starting to abate...just drop the
Sarge thing. Uggghh….
one more thing: I cannot get my reply comment in the right place. all my comments just go down at bottom of the page automatically. how to fix it?
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST reply actions
Like this!
reply button under comment
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
that is what I did. It just did not work every time. Actually, it only worked once.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
and this time!
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Click on the "reply" button at the bottom of a comment and a new box will
open. Your new comment will be under the comment of the person you are replying to.
#52
I discovered it the day Camby was signed
Someone asked Sophia about his looks on the front page. I replied to that thread and everything dropped to the bottom. Then I hit refresh and it was all gone.
I remember.
If fact I now have to fight the urge to ask her “appearance” questions every chance I get. It is sooo much fun watching a normally reasonable and intelligent person spin up like that.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Me too
The problem is that, to me, it is not trolling as defined by Wikipedia, but it is trolling in the non-plural definition. Is it trolling if it draws an emotional reaction from just one person?
I bet it is safe to talk about Blazers Dancers or a players appearance on every other NBA SBNation blog as long as it is on topic. That is not to say that I disagree with Sophia or that she is wrong when it comes to most of the issues that piss her off.
I am also not calling her out. In the situation where I learned about replying to deleted comments, the first comment was specifically asking Sophia about Camby’s appearance. She has never discussed the appearance of a player before, so he had not right bringing up the subject.
I bash Miller every chance I get. That’s why I don’t get pissed when folks mention me in Miller threads. It does piss me off when folks question my fanhood in non-Miller threads because I do not like Miller.
She has never discussed the appearance of a player before, so he had no right bringing up the subject.
gigawatt?
I had a beautiful post in that thread that got dumped. It had about a dozen instances of her discussing the relative attractiveness levels of tons of players, then I quit linking because I got bored and still had pages to go.
It was easy too. Just go to her profile and search for “ugly” or “cute”. See how many results pop up.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Not this...
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
you see, it is still messing. I am with tears because it's like no logic in my reply. sorry, guys
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
when you reply
your reply goes to the bottom of the list of other replies to the same post (rather than the top)
if one of the replies in the middle turned in to a long thread of other comments, your new one will be below all of that… which could be quite far down
can I move that once it is located
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
I was just demonstrating. a slow server or too many comments can mess things up too
you may have seen this in a game thread
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the thoughts, amigo!
I agree with ya’ 100% that this is Roy and Oden’s (and LMA) team…however, bear in mind that many playoff teams have a ton of experience. We’ve had to juggle so many lineups….we just haven’t had time to gel. Especially when you change the PG position, you need time to re-gel.
Give this team time. We’re gonna’ make some noise come playoff time.
I believe when you guys get the championship ring in 1977. The average number of the team members' age is 20 something. I know it because some Chinese sport stations are saying that the Thunder will recopy the miracle of the 1977 Trailblazer. but i agree
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I could see that happening...but bear in mind, the Thunder core has been together for a while.
Durant, Jeff Green, russell westbrook…they been together.
That’s what the blazers need…time to acclimate to a new PG. You have to get a PG and stick with him.
Good night and xi xi!
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
i guess you are supposed to say "xie xie". thank you. I have fun today and it is still noon.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
ni how ma?
OK, let me try out my rusty mandarin…
我很高兴你正在非常努力地分享您的想法。 很可惜,我只知道略懂普通话。感谢您的来信。
Wǒ hěn gāoxìng nǐ zhèngzài fēicháng nǔlì dì fēnxiǎng nín de xiǎngfǎ. Hěn kěxí, wǒ zhǐ zhīdào è dǒng pǔtōnghuà. Gǎnxiè nín de láixìn.
thanks to google for the little accents.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Mar 10, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
your mandarin is great. more polite than the one we usually use.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Where in China are you
Shanghai, Beijing, Hangzhou?
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
and I guess those are the only cities you know?
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
Nope I know more than that
been to China a couple of times just trying to remember the cities Guangzhou, HK, Maccao, Nanjing, Harbin
the farthest west I’ve been out to is Lanzhou and Xian
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
what's your impression of Xian? if there is still something left
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
It's been over 10 years since I was in Xian
but I had a fun time looking around, so much history there. One of my favorite things I ever ate in China was in Xian. I forget what it was called but it was a kind of stew but you broke up pieces of this hard bread first and of course the dumplings.
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions
I used to live in Beijing!
Kind of in the northwest corner of 3rd ring road. I dunno if poeple here realize just how into basketball china is. I was a fan before going there, but being there just reinforced my love of the game. Literally every basketball court i saw there was packed morning till night. And there are a LOT of basketball courts there. I’m totally convinced we’ll see another big chinese star in the next 10 years or so. If the way things are going now keep up, there’s simply too many kids playing basketball there to not produce another NBA star.
it is such a honor to hear you say that. unfortunately, just beijing( or maybe shanghai) could give you that impression. our economic situation could not allow us to enjoy the game like you guys yet. But, believe me, china fans love basketball and nba. As for me, blazers rule.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
TiH – Dre is not hurting this team. Sure he might not be the PG of the future, Camby and Juwan aren’t long term solutions either, but we need them now and having the vets in the ears of the young guns is invaluable.
Bayless isn’t ready to carry this team at the point and I question if Brandon and Bayless splitting the ballhandling duties would lead to much success either. No need to mention where Patty is at in his development. We’re lucky to have Dre right now.
I do agree with you though. That Andrew dirtbag has got to go.
I see so. what about blake. our annoncer is convinced that he is a solid and good player. we still donnt get why he is traded.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
It was a must. We needed a full time center after Joel and Greg got injured. Having a legitimate center was more necessary than keeping Seve Blake. Blake is a good guy and I believe that after he was traded even the biggest Blake bashers felt disapointed for a moment, but without a true center we would be struggling to make the playoffs and have no chance of advancing past the first round. Juwan couldn’t continue playing against centers for 30+ minutes a night and LMA can’d defend the majority of the leagues bigs. Needed a center and we didn’t have much we were willing to give up. Steve wasn’t a long term commodity in Portland so it only made sense – especially when you think about the contract situations of Blake, Travis Outlaw and Camby.
by dirtboydave on Mar 10, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
then why cannot trade miller for camby straight up?
I understand the importance of camby, but failed accepting senting away steve and travis.
One of us wrote a beatiful poem on the trade and it made everyone cry. I cannot translate accurately but one sentence is like this " they (steve and travis) worked their ass off to accomplish the dream of playoff. Ironically, the trip to the dream land earned them a ticket out of beloved home." I dont know if my translation is good enough for you to understand the heartwrecking beauty of the poem. But it is well stated in chinese
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
If 3 billion Chinese think that, then those of us who were happy with Steve as our PG ...
… must be right.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
If that's their reasoning, then your announcers don't know anything about bball
Not to be mean or extreme, but seriously? They don’t see why he got traded?
It was obvious. Blake is not a good ball-handler. His sole strength lies in his 3-shooting. And we’ve got like 5 other players who can shoot the 3. He was a duplicate who was eating in Andre Miller, the better PG by far’s minutes.
I'm not sure it is a good idea ...
… to get several hundred million people pissed at you by insulting their intelligence.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
But he didn't. He just insulted the announcers.
It’s like saying Rice and Barret speak for the rest of us here.
I'm not trying to insult their intelligence
I’m merely pointing out that there are some things that are obvious that announcers should at least pick up on.
Besides, I’m of Chinese decent myself – I’ll clam the waters by claiming brotherhood ;)
I clam the waters too
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
I use my Censor ship when I clam
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
"Blake is not a good ball-handler."
Uh, he’s a way above average ball handler.
Ball handling in an overall context is not defined solely by an ability to finish at the rim.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
not the fault of our announcers
as “we”, I mean chinafans. because a lot of them love blazer because of 08/09 season. so last year’s blake fits the team better than miller. when our announcers talk about the trade, they say that the result has to wait and say and they do think that centers are very important for a playoff team. (plus our announcers love Outlaw, they call so many different nick names of him during broadcasting)
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
This wasn’t TiH dude.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
is there a way to check the IP address of this "new" Bedge member
otherwise, how would we know if a previous member has created a new login to spread the same “message” and gain attention for his/her “cause”?
Assuming china fan is not TiH using a round-about web service to propagate himself…I’ve got a response to…
2 Andre could not make Greg shine…Greg said “Andre is the fresh air to him” because he got the ball from Andrew more often. I thank andre for that. I still think there is trusting issue between greg and the other members. we need to fix it. Andre’s biggest strengthes are initiating fast breaks and drawing fouls. Neither will benefit Greg in long term.
Oden would not have received the ball in the post nearly as much this year if Miller wasn’t a part of the team. Andre and Greg had great synergy early in the season, beginning with the first half on opening night (I reviewed the video, last night) Oden made a back door pass on a give-and-go to Miller for a lay-in (and this play was repeated multiple times until Oden injured his kneee)
Andre is going to continue to be an important factor re: integrating Greg into Portland’s half-court offense in the future. Based on the number of touches that Oden received when Miller was not in the starting lineup, I don’t think that Roy, Bayless, Rudy (etc) can be trusted to help develop #52 as an offensive force, next fall
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
It is against the rules to make two names and have a conversation with yourself on Blazeredge
I respect Ben and Dave too much to violate the rules just to bash Miller more.
I tell strangers on the street that Andre Miller is lame. Why would I need to hide behind a fake profile and say I’m from China just to bash Miller?
I've seen it too many times before, on various pro sport's forums
and if your desire is to draw flies, it’s easily accomplished
but by all means, continue your crusade to expose the resident evil that is Andre Miller. He must’ve been the reason why Batum/Oden/Przy/etc were hurt this year and Portland is unlikely to get out of the first round of the playoffs, again. It’s all about the health vampire slash locker room cancer that is ’Dre
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Mar 11, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
In the spirirt of standard BE reasoning ...
… I’ll rec it without having proof. Proof is overrated anyway. Why waste time producing evidence when you can just make things up.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Why do we need proof???
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I am here now (dont call out Tom)
you know, different time zone. Greg benefited from Miller more this season. But it has to change. I stick to the opinion that if roy and greg cannot play together, nothing glory will happen.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Why the skepticism?
I question if Brandon and Bayless splitting the ballhandling duties would lead to much success either.
Care to explain your thinking?
Bayless and Roy are both averaging about 5 assists per 36 minutes of PT. Both are outstanding at getting to the rim and drawing fouls. Both require opposing teams to “help” off other players creating open jumpers for Aldridge, Batum and each other. Bayless and Roy are our two best scorers on a per 36 minute basis .
I realize Bayless may not be quite ready, but it seems likely that he will get there by sometime next season. Slightly improved defense, particularly defensive recognition off the ball, and slightly improved consistency on the outside jumper and Bayless should be there
Most folks don’t seem to realize that Bayless’ TS%, at age 21, is actually better than Roy’s was in his second year at age 23: .542 to .531.
by upper left corner on Mar 11, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Measuring a the value of a pg by their TS% makes very little sense to me.
I am glad he can score the ball reasonably well, but can he run a team? The latter is far more important down the road than the former, and I am not just talking about getting some assists off the drive and kick…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Point by point
1. Andre did not earn the starting spot.
The entire team except Oden looked bad in the preseason and early going, whether Andre was starting and playing with Brandon more or Steve was, so I think it should have been pretty clear that there were problems beyond Andre. With Steve’s shot being so horribly off, he wasn’t adding much either. While there may have been a tendency to “stick with what worked”, our entire rotation was going to be pretty different than last year’s, regardless, especially once Nic went down. Andre was taking Sergio’s minutes, Webster was taking Nic’s minutes, and Outlaw was taking the entirety of the backup PF minutes instead of Frye. It was more than just that unit that won 54 games (although not technically true since the starters changed last year), and since we already have a massive overhaul of the lineup guaranteed outside of the starters, better to rip the bandaid off all at once and have the maximum amount of time to get ready to what the lineups would eventually be rather than constantly juggle the rotation around.
Besides, it was borderline criminal that Nate even considered starting Joel over Greg after training camp, so the “54-win unit” was going to change in a pretty significant way anyways.
2. Andre could not make Greg shine.
I’m not really sure what your point is here. Andre Miller and Derek Fisher may both may nominally play PG, but Derek Fisher is much more Steve Blake than Andre Miller, and Shaq hardly “needed” Kobe to shine, turning in some pretty amazing seasons both before and after being with Kobe.
Brandon also has been notoriously bad at involving big men in his game. He’s a below average P&R passer right now so he wasn’t going to help Greg there, and four seasons later, we’re still waiting for him and LaMarcus to really start to play off each other well. A big reason LaMarcus disappears in the 4th is that we go so Roy-centric, and LA simply isn’t much of an option in that offense. Most of his points seem to come off his own isos and post-ups, which are incompatible with Roy isos, at least on a single possession.
Besides, Greg WAS playing much better this year, although Andre’s effect on that may be debatable. He had increased his TS% 5 percentage points while taking more shots and his PER had shot up. As you yourself state in the post, Greg expressed that he liked playing with Andre as well. What more was he supposed to do for Greg, buy him kneepads?
3. Andre shot us out of wins.
Yeah, in some probably, but focusing only on Andre’s contributions from three point range late in games would be like only focusing on the times that Steve Blake has drawn huge fouls in clutch situations. Andre had some absolutely key dishes in the 4th when we beat the Lakers, and it’d be hard to argue that he didn’t pretty much singlehandedly win that game against the Mavs. His crunch time shooting % (as defined by 82games.com) is roughly the same as Bayless’s this year.
Really, though, it’s about confirmation bias. You expect Andre Miller to miss a three, so when he misses a big one, it confirms that he’s a liability because of his shot and when he does something else positive, it doesn’t stand out so you don’t remember it.
4. His business attitude
Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the type of player they’re willing to root for, but as far as the Blazers being a young team fighting for recognition, those days are over. Coming into the season no one was writing off the Blazers or disrespecting us. We were pretty much a consensus 2 or 3 pick in the WC and considered one of the few teams with a shot to knock off the Lakers. It’s a fundamentally different situation than we’ve been in the last couple seasons. When teams are gunning for you instead of looking past you to the Spurs or Mavs in the next game a little more of an even keel is useful instead of going through the ups and downs like we had in previous years.
5. Chemistry
I think Andre’s effect here gets a little overrated. We were due for some sort of collision course here even if we had just kept Sergio and not signed Andre. Bayless, Rudy and Nic all wanted more minutes that simply weren’t there to be had. Roy and LA were coming off huge extensions, Outlaw and Blake were playing for contracts, everyone was going to lose some shots to Greg, Webster was coming back. You simply can’t have 11 young guys on your roster itching to play more than they are and expect everyone to be happy. Bayless, Nic and Rudy may have been willing to sacrifice minutes last year, and maybe even this year with the expectation that they’ll play more in the future, but at some point these guys would have gotten frustrated with the status quo, just like Sergio did (and Rudy sort of has, according to some reports).
That being said, having things shaken up isn’t a bad thing. Guys can get too comfortable with each other and it will prevent them from reaching their potential. Dirk and Nash were best friends and gutted when Cuban didn’t resign Nash, and they responded by winning the next 3 MVPs. There are simply very few superstars who win titles without seeing their teams go through drastic personnel shifts at some point, either through seeing their supporting casts largely revamped or a coaching change of some sort. While I would’ve loved to win a title with the 2008-2009 roster, I don’t think it was really realistic at the same time. A little friction isn’t always a bad thing. Keeps guys from getting complacent.
6. Brandon’s best stretch of the season BY FAR was in December when Andre was starting and playing lots of minutes. Of course each of their best performances haven’t coincided simply because there’s a lot of duplication in there skill sets, which is hardly a bad thing (plus, it’s hard to have 2 players score 50+), but they’ve had long stretches where they’ve both played extremely well together. I think it’s a popular view that they haven’t played well together, but I just don’t see it. There have been some noticeable screwups, but that happens with everyone. No one talks about Blake throwing the ball out of bounds when Brandon wasn’t looking for it against Houston(could be wrong on the opponent) as evidence that they can’t work together.
Besides, it seems pretty clear that if playing exactly the same way we did last year is what we need for Brandon to play at a superstar level, we’re probably not going to win a title anyways. For all the talk of Houston being a horrible matchup, it’s not like the defenses got much easier in subsequent rounds, and if LeBron couldn’t even make the finals with Cleveland playing 1 on 5 for quarters at a time, we sure as heck aren’t going to with Brandon doing the same thing. I love Brandon, but he’s no Lebron.
This is not to say that Andre is the answer to all of our prayers and will cure cancer and world hunger tomorrow, but I just don’t think a lot of the criticism here isn’t all that important in the long run. Getting from where we were to where we are is a fundamentally different beast from getting where we are to winning a title. I think we, as Blazer fans, tend to be a little too nostalgic about what worked then and hold it up as a model of what we need to do going forward. There’s a good chance Andre Miller isn’t the answer, but I’m that doing something different from previous years was going to be necessary moving forward, and there would be hiccups no matter what we had changed.
#52
by Royster on Mar 10, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions 11 recs
thank you for your time. I guess I dislike him a little less. I respect your debate. One question, which the roster of 08/09 cannot win a title? if they did not play like scared children, they would win that series. you have to give the roster time.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
Because even if we didn’t come out like scared children for that first game and ended up winning the series, we still would’ve had to play the lakers in the next round. As much as I hate the lakers and love beating them, I doubt that last year’s squad would’ve been able to edge past them, for a number of reasons.
- Inexperience. We saw it in the very first game of the playoffs, but even if we get them out of the first round I doubt that they’re going to be able to handle the lakers and all of their post-season know-how.
- Matchup – Houston was a big, physical team, and as such, they matched up very poorly for us. The lakers are even bigger, and (if they wanted to be) more physical. I just don’t see us coming out of the 2nd round against them with blake as our pg and McMillan as our coach.
So while yes, we had the potential to win a series last year, we were not (and still aren’t) championship contenders.
ding ding ding
“McMillan as our coach”. Couldn’t say it any better, I think Rudy said the same in his interview with Madrid. McMillan is stubborn and unwilling to adapt.
IMHO, I think that’s why KP pulled off the trade, to fill a need and force McMillan to play with the “better” players, instead of playing his mancrush favoritism. I think Blakarang, will be back. (Blake + boomerang) + (we’ve traded him before and he came back from Denver) But, hey, just my opinion. I think the Dre – McMillan argument was Dre telling Nate that he isn’t no sticking rookie noob and didn’t need McMillan coddling him like he was still wet behind the ears.
Look at how well Dre played after he gave Nate a piece of his mind. (Kudos to you, Dre.) I’d like to give Nate a piece of my mind too. Like Darwinism, those who don’t ADAPT, die. We lost to the Rockets last year, partially because we were outcoached and Nate had only one play in the playoffs, give the ball to Roy and lets all take pictures of Roy vs the Rockets. Oh, don’t try to counter the other coach, that would be called coaching.
IMHO, Dre is the most underrated PG this league has seen in 10 + years. Numbers don’t lie. Also you can’t measure heart either. Roy could learn a thing or two if he looked at Dre’s carreer. Undoubtedly, the ironman PG of the league. That is a fact few seem to bring up.
JM2C.
To chinafansheartroy, welcome. always good to hear from the other side of the world. I don’t agree, but I respect your opinion. cheers.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
I think you are trolling me
I’m sick of the McMillan “mancrush” crap.
I’m not saying Nate is a defensive coach, or a good coach, I’m just saying that he plays players that play defense. His playing a player who does what Nate wants over what the player wants is not a “mancrush” it is coaching.
The Andre Miller comments are ridiculous and do not warrant a response.
I BELIEVE Batum is a fairly decent defensive player. Yet McMillan sits him for
LONG stretches..same with Camby. Nate plays who he knows. And in the same roles. Check out the game against Sacramento for instance…I believe he pulled Nic right around the same time as he did ALL YEAR LONG LAST YEAR.
ooopss…time to pull NIC. WHO CARES ABOUT MATCH UPS? Not Nate.
Nic played 27 minutes against SAC; he averaged 18 minutes last year
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
+92
Plus he played all the crunch time mins too……he rarely did that last year
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
More a Batum lover than Nate hater. I'm a Nate disliker of his substitution
patterns. Love his motivational skills. Esp when the team is the underdog. Wish he could move those skills to in game decisions.
Also, Nate McMillan is really a fairly young head coach.
Even though he has been a head coach for 10 seasons? I think this is his 10th. I think P.Jackson didn’t become a head coach until he was in his 50s. So maybe Nate will learn some of the finer points of coaching as he is away from the game as a player..longer.
They gave the ball to roy and saw him work because they got stuned by the first game’s embarrassment. Those young players were scared to death to make a mistake in the playoff game. If they played at the level of the performance of the regular season, they won. So I just think they need more experience to be physically and mentally tough.
If Andrew is that good, why he never gets out of the first round and why he always be the one to be traded.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Some of it is luck. Brandon may have the same luck. You never know when it comes to
the playoffs. Andre has been on about 4 teams including Portland in 10 yrs. That is not that unusual. He is underrated and he is shy. Very skilled and very competitive and loves to work hard and win. It is too bad he is not more talkative. He seems to suffer because of this. I am trying not to use slang or phrases that you many not understand! The Philadelphia team that Andre left is very sad that he left. They were just too cheap to pay what he is “worth” on the market. And the market is not good! So it is to his credit that Portland chose him.
Thanks for your post/comments. ( I think Brandon and Andre will learn to play very well together and like each other for who they are and what they can do for the Blazers.)
As blazer_1k said
the matchup difficulties against Houston are often overstated. Yeah, it wasn’t a great matchup, but we had homecourt advantage, and teams are simply good enough that it’s hard to find good matchups in the playoffs because every team is good, and every team plays great defense (once you get past the 1st round).
Say we hadn’t been embarrassed in 2 out of our 4 games in Houston (game 6, also) and won the series. Then we would have gotten to play LA, the 6th-best defensive team last year without homecourt advantage. For all the talk about our streak here, we’ve gotten our butts handed to us pretty much every time we go to LA since Roy’s been in the league. So to win that series, not only do we have to hold serve on our court, but somehow sneak an away win which we’d been unable to do previously.
But say we beat LA, then we get to play Denver, the 8th-best defensive team, and with Melo going out of his mind. Say we beat them, and now we get to play the best defensive team in the league last year, Orlando. It’s not like any of those teams are great matchups for us. Simply put, things get a lot harder in the regular season.
Of course, I overstated some that the roster absolutely needed change. Yeah, it’s certainly possible that they could have won a title with the exact same guys down the road, I just don’t think they could have. A lot of issues were going to crop up anyways with PT, and Greg overtaking Joel, and we basically needed every single one of our young guys to continue on an upward trajectory for us to be realistic contenders. The odds of all of those things happening while simultaneously staying healthy were slim to none in my book.
#52
but focusing only on Andre’s contributions from three point range late in games would be like only focusing on the times that Steve Blake has drawn huge fouls in clutch situations
Folks here focus on whomever they want to blame the loss on. It was Blake when he was only playing 10 minutes a night, and now it seems that it’s Rudy and Jerryd’s fault.
It's not like this is anything new
People blamed Sergio for losing the Rockets series despite his 20 minutes of court time all series, and it’s not like he wasn’t a constant scapegoat last year (same with Trav, Webster, Frye, etc. in the past). With all respect to your “I <3 Andre” efforts, I’d rather just try and be as fair to each guy as I can than try to swing completely in the opposite direction in an effort to somehow balance out the hate.
#52
Every yin deserves its yang
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Thanks for savin me the time
I agree with pretty much everything you said there.
Chinafansheartroy, welcome to the family of Blazer fans. And may I say your English is pretty darned good. A hell of a lot better than any of my Chinese dialects. (uhhh… “Ni’hao” that’s about it)
You pick, then you roll. It ain't so hard. Let's try it out.
Nice reply
Personally, I don’t get into debates much about Andre Miller. I think both of you make some good points (with you getting the overall nod from my perspective). As far as I’m concerned Miller is our PG and both he, the team and the coaching staff have the responsibility of making it all work. I think that they do more often than they don’t. Furthermore, as they gain greater continuity, I think things will improve even more.
For me, the best part of an Andre Miller discussion is watching Tom at work.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
The Maverick
Has a place in American culture and in causing the abandonment of false assumptions.
Here are a couple hints about Miller Time
Thank you, chinafansheartroy. It’s so great to have voices from all over – from China, Spain, Australia, Hawaii, and even Idaho. :) Sorry, Dave .. I just couldn’t resist. Full disclosure – I lived in Idaho for a bit myself.
About Miller: I’ve criticized Miller earlier in the season because of his attitude not mixing well with the spirit of this team. However, now I’ve gotten to like him. I still don’t exactly completely “heart” Miller, but I enjoy him. I like that he’s smart in the ways our other guards haven’t been smart.
I’ve also come to realize that Miller shows a LOT of feeling. We only need to learn to reinterpret a couple little things:
1. When Miller’s lips curl up in the tiniest of smiles, inside himself he’s really roaring with laughter. Now his little smiles make me happy.
2. When he lifts 22 inches off the floor, he’s playing above the rim. His dunk in the Denver game was completely out of character.
I’m sure other’s can add to the Miller file. As I’ve learned to reinterpret his behavior, I’ve become happier.
Me too can add a lot things to Andre's resume. I like your post. Actually, I just want to see your perspective on this matter. I dont want to be a homer or hater. I want to be an intelligent and objective fan. That's why I use this post as my introduce.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Well, hello China!
i feel that since you took the time to post this article, I would take the time to let you know that I have read it and believe that you did a real good job.
come to portland, oregon and watch a game live sometimes. you’ll love it.
thanks for being a fan.
oh, one word of advice, when referring to the most hated team of our beloved Blazers, please refer to them as the ‘L*kers’. once you employ this, your “respect” value will shoot straight to the stars (as well as the hatred from the L*ker fans)!
good luck new friend from China. keep posting……
:)
watching the game blazer versus laker in Rose Garden is on my dream list.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
chinafans<3roy
in a total joking manner, it should read “watching the game blazer versus l*ker in Rose Garden is on my dream list”.
:)
Always, ALWAYS remember, they are spelled “L*kers”. Oh, another piece of advice, never refer to the Blazers as the ‘Zers’. true Blazer fans hate that.
:)
the "zers" thing I know.
I saw the word " L*kers" everytime and familar with your dislike of L*kers(me too, but go to war with the chinalakerfan, i will be ate alive. The number of them is scary. in china, we just ignore them, only protest when they insult our players)I assumed that once I typed Lakers, it would automatically become “L*kers” on the screen. that just silly of me
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
It SHOULD automatically go to L*kers on the screen, if parental controls fail
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Nice try, Tom...
But, the rapidity of your replies (several in a few minutes) make it unlikely that you are learning the language, and, in your words…
I almost use the dictionary on every word.
Also:
bq. you see, it is still messing. I am with tears because it’s like no logic in my reply.
Funny, add a little California girl in there with a “like”
And finally, the first thing I believe from your recent posts, your comment to Starvin’s post…
I know. He just seemed disappeared these days. I actually pick up his duty.
you are quite an observor. I am not Tom. I just hang round here long enough. I went to England last summer and on my way here right now so my english is not tha bad. I trully use dictionary on every word because I was nervous and lack of confidence.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
and i dont get the California girl thing.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
chinafansheartroy said: " .. and i dont get the California girl thing "
Visionary 2 said: ‘Funny, add a little California girl in there with a "like"’
“Valley girls” in Southern California are famous for saying “like” when they say something. Here’s an example:
“I was like, come here I want want to celebrate too.” – Brandon Roy
thank you for the information. so ordinary people dont say like that much?
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, we DO say "like" a lot
I think if you say “like”, it sounds more American. It sounds like how people talk in the USA, so it is something that is said a lot.
M—
#52
Valley Girls actually say "like" more
They say, “I was like hungry, so I like went to the store, and like bought some cake, then like ate it.”
Yeah
But I don’t think that sort of Valley Girl exists anymore.
LMA uses “like” more than any Valley Girl ever did!
M——
#52
Damon Stoudamire was the king of, "Know what I'm sayin."
Hurt my ears after a while.
I don't get that one
I used to say “um” too much and when I write I say “but” way too much, but “know what I’m saying” is way to long to get used to saying/typing.
The whole NBA uses "Most Definitely" way too much
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
You can ignore Visionary.
He still thinks that Kevin Pritchard takes into account the opinions he finds here at BE (and other sites) before making personnel decisions. Believing you are Tom is an easy stretch for him.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
you are just famous. or in this case, "infamous" when talk about miller.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 3:36 AM PST up reply actions
I'm glad to have you on my side
It’s really strange these days. Folks here have hated players and coaches and never got any heat for it. No one cared when folks called Roy selfish at the start of the season or when folks bashed Aldridge. I don’t even want to mention the vitriol I read here about Jack, Outlaw, Blake, Frye, Sergio, and Nate.
Folks complain about me complaining about Miller and when I ignore a Miller thread, they call me out for not complaining. I have been trying to pick my spots and then wait until the playoffs so I can tell everyone, “I told you so”.
I would love for Miller to prove me wrong, unfortunately, I am hardly ever wrong.
Apparently, i will be on your side for a while. I blame miller for the unfair criticism roy gets and I have proof. I will give a post very soon to rationalize it.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 3:55 AM PST up reply actions
Nice
You’ll get a lot of heat for it.
No one cared that Miller was out of shape at the start of the season, that he yelled at the coach, that he’s a malcontent, that he makes mistakes, that he sometimes ignores the coach, that he takes bad shots outside the flow off the offense, etc…
I’ve been a member of Blazersedge for around three years and I have never seen a player who has so much impunity. Fans rarely, almost never criticize him, and they go after Nate and Dave if they do not go out of their way to praise Miller.
My theory is that since Miller had a higher PERs than Blake, that fans could not accept him coming off the bench. Since Nate didn’t start Miller at the the beginning of the season, for obvious reasons (bad fit with the starters/good fit with bench, and being out of shape), fans put Miller on a pedestal and refuse to acknowledge any of his flaws.
Quite simply, the average fan is not as smart as you and I. Until there is a point guard on the roster that can truly challenge Miller for the starting role, fans will continue to ignore his deficiencies.
Fans in general always think the “grass is greener” and want a player from another team or a rookie. Until Bayless gets his PERs over Millers, or the Blazers draft or trade for a high profile point guard, you and I will have plenty of detractors.
I know
I came out because I can not take it any more. I am actually responsible for posting what the local media and you guys think about trailblazer on some of the blazer fans blog in china. however, I cannot translate anymore because chinafans dont understand why the heros of 08/09 season suddenly became the problems.as for myself, I feel bewilder that nate, dave, ben, roy, bayless, mike and mike have problems with miller, and fans’ conclusion is miller is right and all those beloved people are wrong
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 4:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Until someone on the roster is a better PG than Miller, fans will continue to ignore his faults
The good news is Blake is gone, so fans can’t blame him when their favorite players aren’t playing well. My hope is that Bayless will play better and expose Miller’s flaws. Without Blake, they’ll have to turn on someone, and I hope it is Miller.
Love this quote
I feel bewilder that nate, dave, ben, roy, bayless, mike and mike have problems with miller, and fans’ conclusion is miller is right and all those beloved people are wrong
+1
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
by jamon51 on Mar 11, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mike and Mike like Andre quite a bit now. Listen to what they say during the games.
Nate said that he and Andre are too much ALIKE and that is why they may have had problems at first! I don’t know about Ben or Bayless.
Thats why you and Upper Left Corner are my favorites
ULC for a different reason. I just didn’t want to leave him out.
Totally different subject ...
… did you hear the line from Leno last night about the NY Congressman (Massa) who resigned? He was apparently on the Glen Beck show and had brought a photo album from his days in the Navy showing the wacky stuff they did on board ship.
Leno’s comment was that it was probably not a good idea to show off your big book of naked sailors if you are trying to prove you are not gay.
Makes me wonder – exactly what sort of stuff did you surface pukes do while at sea? (On subs we didn’t even get naked when taking a shower. There was barely enough water for showers, let alone laundry. We would just do both at the same time. Very efficient.)
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
We just had college hazing stuff with punching and pink bellies
Although, one ugly dude called ‘Hogleg" used to stick his junk down the back of guy’s dungarees to the bottom of the pocket and stand flat footed. I think it was some sort of perv dominance.
So those photos posted on his Facebook page of him dressed ...
… as a milkman with crotchless trowsers is really someone else?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Miller is clearly the 2nd or 3rd best player on this team all things considered.
Not sure if this is TiH or not, but might as well be!
I disagree. he is after( roy, greg, lma, camby,batum,rudy). I respect him as a great individual player, just not the fit for the team.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
not so sure about that.
PG is the most important position on the floor. Decision maker, play caller. Without Miller, we’d be scrambling for a playoff position. No way Blake or Bayless takes us to the playoffs this year. Miller is a pass first PG who knows how to get the ball into the post and can post up smaller quicker guards to negate their speed advantage. He destroys other PG’s in the post and creates mismatches from doubleteams, he passes out of doubleteams very well and is good at being in the right spot at the right time (steals).
Honestly, his three point attempts are mostly due to getting tossed flaming bags and Roy’s inability to notice the difference between Miller and Blake. McMillan would do well to make sure Miller is on the other side of the floor from Roy when he’s posting up, put Batum in Millers spot and slide Miller to the weak side, but now I’m talking strategy and will surely evoke the rather of Tom.
He reminds me a lot of Pippen when we brought him here. He’s just got that veteran savvy and knows how to play.
No way is Rudy or Batum above him at this stage, POTENTIALLY, you may be right, but potential has a funny way of never showing up, ask Outlaw about that. At this point, Rudy and Batum are not consistent and consistency is #1 on my list for measuring a player’s ability. Unfortunately for Greg, he’s got to get past the injury bug before I put him in the mix. (get better big guy). I’ll give you Roy, LMA, but Camby is a toss up at this point.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
whoops
you’d think I was ESL. I meant the wrath of Tom. Not sure what the rather of Tom looks like, but I don’t want to know.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
I'm cool, I don't mind strategy talk
I’d love for LA and Oden to get passes from Miller that result in dunks, fouls, or easy buckets. Sometimes, they result in a pass out from the post because of a double team.
On most teams, the post passes out to a guard who shoots the open jumper, instead Miller passes to someone else. My confirmation bias says that Rudy gets the majority of the flaming bag passes from Miller. I could be wrong, but no one will prove me wrong with stats, so it’s cool.
Blake is gone. Miller is the only flaming bag passer on the team. No one else is afraid to take a jump shot.
That's hilarious...
Once again, you’ve got it all wrong, Tom….
Miller has been on the leading RECPIENTS of the FBP, true, but he gets most of the them from the team and perhaps league leading FBP’er, your captain Roy…
espn guys say that you change a PG, you change the looks of the team on the court.
why a 54 win uprising team need to chang everything working great on the court one year ago? I guess I dont hate miller, i just dislike the change he brought in. Last year, the players are heads up, ready to kick anyone’s ass. Our announcers say that opponents are shaking on the idea of playing in Rose Garden. This year, they are underdogs who can not even guard their own territory.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
that as a LOT more to do with the flood of injuries we've had
and very little to do with a Miller coming in. We’d be much worse, possibly not in 8th place without Andre coming in this summer.
by In Walks Rudy on Mar 11, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
True that!! (overused expression) But true. Also last year the Blazers were not at
all taken seriously by many teams. So these same teams didn’t prepare for them. And the Blazers played with heart. From the BEGINNING of the season. I think this year, until the injuries started happening the Blazers were more concerned with who was getting the ball and minutes and thinking they were just as good as last year at the end of the year. Then the injuries started (well Batum’s absence was felt from the start) and the injuries affected the team. They did start to play with more heart.
If all you want...
is a 54-win season, and a first round exit, by all means, lets do the Portland every time down court! Brandon could go for 50+ every night!
But the Blazers will never win a championship with such a predictable, easy to stop offense. There’s too many good scouts and coaches who can game plan the heck of Nate’s junior high offense…
As I said before, it all comes down to expectations… Yours are evidently a lot lower than mine… All I care about is winning a championship… every else is just window dressing… sure, they’ve made a nice progession – in REGULAR season wins… Some time next year, Nate will likely become a .500 coach for the first time. Congrats!
Now, shove off so we can get a coach who knows how to adjust during a game, who teaches how to outlet and fast break, who has more than one offensive play in crunch time, who isn’t the only coach in the league who employs two hockey lines, who isn’t afraid to tell the top offensive player that true success will only come when he plays tough defense, and we’ll finally win a championship!
Dre is light years ahead of any Portland point guard in decades… Wake up and smell the PER! ;-)
I want championship
This team is too good to not have a ring.
I dont think the offense is predictable.( I guess this is the result we watched too many blazers games.) Utah only has one strategy named pick and roll but nobody can stop them. Hornet only has Christ Paul and no body can contain him. L.A only has one called Triangle offense and no team can learn. I dont think the problem is the strategy of the offense. It is the execution of the offense. You get a plan, you stick with it, you polish it. and one day when you could do it with zero mistake, you are unbeatable.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Basketball isn't chess....
You certinaly have to practice plays (note the plural, Nate?), and the more efficiently you run set plays, certainly, the more unbeatable you become… But you can’t just move your guys into the spots you want (like in chess). The other team can do something called defend (I realized veteran Blazer-only watchers may think of this as a foreign concept, but hear me out)…
Utah’s pick and roll worked because there were tons of variations on it, and it involved more than just Stockton and Malone (Hornacek 3, e.g.). They would run it high right, low left, high left, low right, angle left, foul line… anywhere there was a guy to pick, Malone would pick him, and Stockton was the best ever at reading and rolling off a screen… I would kill to have us, next year, give Dre and Oden a couple of pages out of Stockton and Malone’s handbook… and teach our guys how to properly rub off a screen, please!
The triangle offense is also a system, but not one that is predictble. It doesn’t just mean three guys stand around in a triangle… (although I’m sure it would if Nate tried to implement it), it involves MOTION. Which three guys are making up the triangle changes all the time with a new pick and roll away from the ball, or a swing of the ball… It is simply an easy way to communicate and reinforce in the players the proper spacing to get good ball and player movement, and open looks. They also have one of the best players running it.. Total credit to Tex Winter, the inventor and perfector of it, but to say that this system is in any way similar to the Porltand ISO is really stretching the truth…
Giving the ball to Brandon up top, and flattening out the other four guys in th infamous Portland iso only accomplishes the following:
a) lets the defense rest until Brandon makes his move
b) allows the defense to set up whatever coverage scheme they want to (plenty of time to decide what D to use)
c) kills any fast break opportunity
d) eliminates any flow to the game the other four players may have been enjoying
e) is easily defensible, as Houston showed last spring, and
f)’in will NOT win us a championship! (unless it is one of many last shot plays in our arsenal).
by Visionary2 on Mar 12, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and with this bad offense, the team is able to manage 54 wins and be considered top 5 offensive efficiency team in the league
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Of course.
This team’s talent and heart is incredible.
The question is: is the offense good enough to get us far in the playoffs? The playoffs aren’t like the regular season, where we often play bad teams we can exploit with our talent. In the playoffs, we play really, really good teams that have smart coaches that will pick apart our offensive schemes easily. Actually, it doesn’t take a “smart” coach to see that our offense is generic and repetitive. Any coach can see that. But playoff teams have the talent to really use that to their advantage.
no matter how talented and determined you are. you have to play it right to win. right strategy is one of the fundamental part for success.
nate is a player who participated in finals and receives so much respect from his peers as a coach and Gorge Karl is his mentor and so familiar with other team. The plan he draw cannot be that bad
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
The offense works
because we’re playing different teams every night. In a playoff series, we play the same team 5, 6, 7 times.
The offense isn’t AWFUL or anything, but it is very predictable. You could say we’ve lost some games this year because we were stuck running plays opposing teams easily defended against because they knew what was coming. Offensive variety can only be better for us.
Nate's respect...
comes from his defensive coaching ability…. Although I don’t particularly think it’s anything outstanding, that’s the word from the USA Basketball coaches, so I’ll accept their superior wisdom.
But I haven’t heard anybody – truly, anybody – compliment Nate on his stunningly difficult to defend offense… Have you?
Which is my issue with Nate. His offense scheme is turrible, and as others have pointed out, only succeeds (a) in the regular season, when opposing teams don’t have much time to prepare for you and (b) because of the incredible talent on this roster.
I don’t credit (m)any of the 54 wins to Nate’s offensive scheme…
read Kelly Dwyer on Ball Don't Lie
he is constantly talking up Portland’s offense. That’s truly anybody
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 13, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Nate's offense is based on percentages.
His schemes provide the team with the best percentage chance to win night in and night out. But the players still have to execute.
As far as it being predictable, so what. You can predict hurricanes but that doesn’t do much to stop them. If a team is going to concentrate on doubling Roy and Aldridge, they ultimately play into Portland’s hands, as one or more other players are going to be open. Right now the biggest problems I see have to do with quick recognition (which usually comes with experience) and occassional lack of concentration (and associated effort). The first issue is going to resolve itself. The second, hopefully so. Portland would easily be in 4th place had they not lost focus and let teams come back to beat them this season. That is quite remarkable considering all that has happened to them and in my opinion, a testament to the outstanding job McMillan and his staff have done, as well as to the heart and talent of this team.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Rec. This is a great post.
Thanks for posting here and sharing your opinions. Ignore some of the comments here. It’s really uncalled for.
fiftytwo
You commie asians are just sticking together
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
You're not taking me seriously are you?
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised anyone would.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Awesome post, man. I disagree that Andre is the problem. Brandon’s been hurt and not Brandon Roy, and team just hasn’t been right all year. In fact, Andre’s been a bright spot. So yes, he did come to the team when things went bad, but I think that’s mostly unfortunate timing, and not due to Andre.
#52
Good stuff.
I had a roommate from China in college. His first day at school, what does he ask me?
“Uh, Tinfoil, can you explain the stock market?”
Dude wasn’t messing around.
Free prezofdeath
I had a dorm mate from China, and he spoke better english than all of us…and every night, he sang More Than Words with his guitar….it was awesome
fiftytwo
My roommate went by Reggie because he liked Reggie Miller.
Probably a bad choice of people to emulate, but cool that he picked a basketball name.
Free prezofdeath
".....and every night, he sang More Than Words with his guitar"
In America we say: “he played More Than Words with his guitar”
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Ni hao ma?
Wo hen hao, xie xie.
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 12:03 AM PST reply actions
That's pretty much all the Mandarin I remember
I shouldn't complain but sometimes I still do.
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Great post China!
I think a lot of the problems this year, including Andre, should be taken with a grain of salt because of the injury problems. We should reevaluate next year for certain.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
Glad to hear there are some Blazer fans in China!!
Good post, although I disagree with it. Anyway feel free to share your thoughts here, and ignore the people who for some reason find it funny to bring posts down because they go against the general consensus of Blazers Edge.
thank you. it is very hard to be a blazer fan in China. you can not believe the number of laker and rocket fans and the fight between them. believe me, you will be stunned. we serve a lot complaining too because the little spotlight blazer get in china
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
missing the word "time" on the last post, whoops
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 AM PST reply actions
Awesome post
I’m an Andre basher and now I can say that 1,325,639,982 other people agree with me. Welcome to Blazersedge friend.
yes, you can say that because most of these people would have hard time dealing with either the language or the points. they cannot protest anyway. And it sounds so nice.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 3:46 AM PST up reply actions
Nice thanks
I should say “over 1,325,639,982 people agree with me,” because Google gave me 2008 numbers.
I hope you will be adding a Mo Wenwei avatar soon
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 5:40 AM PST up reply actions
goodness
no, but this is, from the same extravaganza:
http://blog.lznews.cn/user1/486/upload/20051172510.jpg
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
it is the NMR taking a charge
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, I’m convinced. Trade Miller for Mo Wen Wei.
Just kidding – good post!
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
you may be onto something with the physical contact thing
there was an article in the New York Times about how teams that used more non verbal communication, such as touching, just being close, were more successful and more likely to win a championship. I understand what you mean about the heart not being there, but it’s not up to andre to provide that. Last year, it was Joel and Brandon who primarily brought the heart. This year, I think it’s mostly been Juwan.
or maybe "sulking" due to his injured hamstring
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
you think he's faking?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Really don't know what to think. I do know that mental attitude can affect people
physically and vise versa. Hard to say. It just seems as though Brandon’s mental attitude isn’t where it should be as a leader of this team. I know he is on record as saying the team could win a championship AS IS. And then KP allowed the trade to go through. Do not know what goes on in Brandon’s mind. It seems he is missing his best friend TO, and his good friend Blake. It also seems that if he had more of a killer/competitive drive that this and a nagging hammy wouldn’t get in his way. This is only an opinion. I also think the Blazers need to check into the fitness/training staff methods used by the Suns. I think Brandon’s hamstring problem may be due to problems with his knee, and the current fitness/training staff will do nothing to correct this. Just google Suns training results to see what I am talking about.
i dunno
stoudamire has had microfracture, which he recovered from at his own leisure, barbosas been injured, basketball is the most injury inducing sport, amar’e’s’ also had eye surgery; i don’t see what the suns do that’s so much better than the blazers. I think people just keep repeating this because we’ve been hit with a lot of injuries while their old guys are playing really well this year, and amare has nice goggles which make him seem healthy as a horace.
Check out Grant Hill, Shaquille O'Neall and Steve Nash's injury records since/while with the Suns.
and google: suns training results. There is a great article that talks about injuries/prevention/treatment.
shaq has been relatively healthy his whole carrer
and wasn’t on the suns for very long. Nash is a finesse player, and Grant Hill, well karma is just now good to him.
i do see your point
but i’m pretty sure all teams have injury problems at some point, last year, utah had them bad.
here are the links about Shaquill O'Neal and Grant Hill
the grant hill article also said
d’antoni has short, light practices, and the shaq article talked about how porter’s style of coaching and getting more than 8 shot attempts helped shaq regain dominance. The only game it talked about was him scoring 35 against the bucks, yawn.
both talked about the trainer but didn’t really say specifically what he does different.
also
brandon may be emotionally affected by the trade, and his contract, but to suggest he’s faking his injury is kind of silly.
good one! I have thought of this as well.Though I do not see Brandon playing a ton
of defense. And I think Shaquille O’Neal has played his game wherever he is.
he should be
I can take full responsblility for saying that 80% china fans feel for roy on this one. we say it is like you cut brandon’s wings and still expect him to fly as high as usual. we value team culture and chemistry more. so we cannot believe GM could trade his best friends.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well it has affected Roy. What do the Chinese fans feel about having a winning
attitude as a team leader? Or competitive spirit? I am curious.
this one I just can speak for myself
we never talk something like that because we already assume those spirit is in roy’s nature, so we dont question it. ( i guess) As for me, i love roy from watching the L*kers game, so…
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
That is obviously a pretty outrageous accusation on Roy
But I would be a liar if I said the same thing had never crossed my mind. His body language doesn’t look like what I am used to seeing. He appears to be going through the motions a lot more than in the past. I still hope and believe its just the hammy, and unless someone close to Roy wants to speak up on the issue, I will definitely give him the benefit of the doubt…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
And now this post sounds really, really silly.
Broy got his swag back tonight!!!
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
faith in miller, zero. faith in roy, greg, lma and the team, 100%
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I’ll ban myself for a year if the Blazers get out of the first round with Andre Miller as the starting point guard.
I have always been down on Miller for is bummer attitude. I think it has contributed to the change in the good vibe from last year. The free and happy play hasn’t been seen since he has been here.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
It has been posted as #11 before
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
The sad part is that I'm not worried at all
I’d love for Miller to prove me wrong, I just have no faith in him at all.
If we don't make it out of the first round
It’ll be because we have no real post presence, not because of our point guard. Camby’s great, but he’s no replacement for Greg and Joel.
Besides, you’re protecting yourself by setting the bar way too high. With all of the injuries, we wouldn’t even be in the playoffs if we didn’t have Miller. Just look at the Sixers this year compared to last year. Last year, they were a playoff team. This year, the owners are ready to replace their front office and blow-up the roster.
Not a Huge Miller Fan, but
The truth is the truth. Without him, we’d be looking up at Houston right now.
SPOOOOOOOOOON!!!
I do not dispute that
I do not think there are any quotes from me on Blazersedge saying Blake was or is better than Miller. The two centers going down kicked this season in the crotch.
Just as a fan, I would rather watch a team of players united, fighting together for the greater good and a chance to make some noise in the playoffs over having a semi-ringer/mercenary whose contribution, in the end, will not result in nothing greater than his predecessors. It’s all about the emotional attachment to the story and the players, and I don’t like the story with Miller in it.
Andre Miller is Sofia Coppola in The Godfather: Part III.
by tominhawaii on Mar 11, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you been in the locker room?
Judging that Miller is a “semi-ringer/mercenary” solely on media reports seems naive to me.
dont do that, I will be left alone on this site.
actually, I hope they get out of first round this year (even with miller). the result of our poll suggests that most fans want to see the “Black8” happen again. I dont know “black 8” is the right expression
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
What is the definition of the "Black 8"?
It isn’t a colloquialism I am familiar with
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
it is strange you dont say that, i thought we borrowed the expression from you.
there is one series rocks the world. I believe it is that warrior beat mavs . so we call the warriors “black 8” and use it to refer to the miracle. we want the blazers to do the same thing to lakers
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Wow....interesting
We usually just talk about an “Upset” …this could be a minor or a major upset. For the miracle team ….we usually refer them as “Cinderella” (although this most commonly refers to college teams).
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
the "Black 8" miracle only refers to basketball.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I can't seem to think of a basketball specific idiom
that corresponds with what you describe.
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
Great post!
Come in here any time!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Welcome to BE!
Great post . Your English is in fact better than many of us so don’t sweat it. I love having a Chinese perspective on here and I am sure TiH loves having a billion new friends. I expect him to throw that in our faces every chance he gets.
Hope to hear more from you.
RoadBlazer
Welcome
Your insights are always welcome here.
It is wonderful and disheartening to learn that you are able to watch every Blazers game, while there are many in Portland that can not.
why, most game i watch on the websit atdhe.net (sometime, our minister will block it, but you know, blazer is not a big concern compared to teams like L*kers
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
we are not supposed to link to the games or ask for links...
in game day threads at least, just so you know, in case you didn’t already
where in china do you live?
and thanks for posting your thoughts and opinions. glad to know the BE community extends so far!
GREAT POST
I don’t ever write anything that long and well thought out, and I’m EFL.
The only point I want to address is Andre’s “business attitude”. Professional basketball is an entertainment business that some people treat like show business. Sometimes in our modern society the paying public puts equal amounts of interest into entertainment level as well as success on the court. A good example of this is how in season’s past, the majority of media attention on Lamar Odom was about how inconsistent he was on a game to game basis, and whether he was suited to play on a team with title aspirations. Now the majority of print about him is that he likes candy and is married to a person who is famous for being famous. He is much more well received in popular culture now that he has become seen as part of show business, instead of winning basketball business.
All Andre cares about is doing his job. He does not feel the need to play to the crowd in an interview, or put on a false face with his teammates. He is an introvert, and won’t play media games. If he becomes a coach after retirement, he will undoubtedly become one on the media mold of Greg Popovich, showing utter disdain for inconsequential media blatherings.
I actually appreciate his business attitude more than any other Blazer (but most here wouldn’t take me seriously since my all time favorite player is John Stockton)
Thanks again for your post.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
stockton
is a stud. I bet he could still run the point better than most that are playing these days. He played when understanding the game meant more than getting the dunk of the night on ESPN. Oh, the good old days.
That’s coming from someone who can’t stand the JAZZ or Malone.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
While Andre is not a perfect fit, i think he is necessary because
he attacks the hoop. In games this season when the Blazers cant hit a shot, he is the one who takes the ball to the hoop. He, Bayless, and Roy are really the only ones that can do that, and Bayless tends to look for fouls instead of scoring.
And of course, there is this.
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
china: stupid question....
are there any english speaking websites in china regarding the nba, or specifically, the Blazers?
can you post a link here?
thanks!
not i know
we actually have problem with the translating thing sometimes. one of my favorite blog is running by a chinese college girl who is studying in Potland right now. And now she is complaining about the heavy workload of translating( if we want to know the news immediately instead of the chinese official report, we go to the official website of blazer, and she is one of the few who read it and post it) Bear in mind, blazer is not that popular in china. So most stuff is running by fans, no media (like ben, dave) or officials involved. So you have to speak chinese to communicate with them. just like you can not find a mandarin speaking websites in potland.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
instead of waiting forthe chinese official report ... oh, i cant believe i miss some words again
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
I knew what you were saying
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s always nice to hear. And the Blazers can be happy that someone watches Blazers-Lakers and decides the team to root for is not the one with the name-brand Kobe but the one with Roy ;)
The game is in potland. and you know who won right. and roy was amazing in that game. He made kobe like fool when he went one-on-one at the end of second quarter.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately, "potland" is an accurate description now
Just kidding. There’s the marijuana bar, and that’s it right guys?
This is a ridiculous post.
The only reason why we have the record we do today is because of Andre Miller.
by thetsaiguy on Mar 11, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
the OP said that
I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.
"Did they really expect me to bow down to Jesus?!?" ~Sophia
"At first glance, I saw a fairly unremarkable penis." ~Sophia on Greg Oden
by Philthyanimal on Mar 11, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
ridiculously
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 11, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
As in "Miller is ridiculously good!"
With all the injuries this season, we would have been sub-.500 w/o ’Dre.
by LaoTzu on Mar 11, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh
I just skimmed the article.
But still, if that’s the case, then why say “Andre Miller is the problem”?
Don't make a comment if you haven't read the post then.
#52
by Roybot on Mar 11, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Well, I got the gist of the post.
Just didn’t read that one line he’s snuck in there in the last paragraph.
i dont get it. you want Andre Miller here for becoming championship contenders. and now you are satisfied that he delivered some wins( maybe not enough to make up the number he cost)
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
No one expects us to compete for the championship this year.
Andre Miller was brought in so we could upgrade at the PG position, and he’s only here for, what, 3 years max? He literally carried this team on his back during many games this season. For that alone, I think he deserves a little more respect than this over-analyzing and nitpicking.
I claim he got the opposite of help. His performance got totally disturbed
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Not any more.
If you’ve been watching recent games, Miller and Roy have been able to gel together very well.
they are not geling.
How many miller’s assists are getting from roy’s score?
How many times miller ignores roy down the stretch, last night’s game have a live one?
How many defenders on roy when miller is in the game?
How…i have a lot
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Here's what you have to understand:
Both need the ball in their hands to be effective.
That was the problem at the beginning of the season. Roy can create his own shots and doesn’t need Miller to assist. The issue was this: how are we going to find a way for both Roy and Miller to be effective when they’re on the court at the same time?
If you look at how they’re playing right now, they’ve found a system where sometimes Roy takes the ball down the court, and sometimes Miller does. Of course, in crunch time, Roy always gets the ball. That’s how it will always be. It’s not that Roy needs to be “assisted” by Miller, it’s that they have to find a system for both of them to be effective.
Have they? Yes.
As a result, the lineup is no 2 times as dangerous. Roy can burn you, Miller can burn you. Both can burn you in so many different ways. If Roy is double-teamed, he can pass it to Miller who can penetrate easily. If Miller isn’t open, well, then you’ve got BRoy. etc, etc. There are so many different possibilites and combos.
that is in theory
In reality, how many times did you see that the defenders collapsing on roy ,leaving miller wild open and he chose to shoot those ugly j instead of penetrating.
how many times did you see that miller did not give roy the ball in the key moment down the stretch and choose to post up or shoot by himself.
how many times did you see miller took the ball out of roy’s hand too much in the regular time
and let alone help him spread the floor and defend
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
This is crossing over into nitpicking territory.
Miller is not perfect. No player is. He’s made his mistakes, definitely. He’s taken some ugly jumpers, yes. But 95% they’ve got a solid system going. Roy takes the ball down some, Miller takes the ball down some.
Save for a few games and snafus, I’ve seldom seen Miller take unnecessary shots. He starts shooting when he recognizes that the rest of the team is “off” (ie. the 52 pt. Dallas game). And I don’t see Miller taking the ball away from Roy in crunch time is a problem they’re dealing with. Roy has pretty much always gotten the ball in crunch time unless Miller has a clear path to the hoop.
Roy isn’t invincible either. He can’t take every shot. Having Andre in there really lightens the load for him.
And yes, you could argue that Miller has shot us out of a few games. But under that line of reasoning, I can bring up the recent Utah game, where Roy missing crunch time shots lost us the game. He was obviously coming back from injury – why didn’t he give it to Andre? Does this mean that Roy isn’t gelling with the team? No. Everyone makes their mistakes. Andre makes his mistakes. But in the overall picture, things are working out quite nicely. I can say with confidence that Andre is gelling with the team.
point taken
i just dont think it is fair that nobody critisized miller when he made those mistakes and roy took so much heat when he shared his one.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
When did Roy take so much heat? And what do you mean when
you say “he shared his one”? They are playing very well together. Did you see the game against Sacramento on Friday? They passed to each other. Eventually they will learn to love playing with each other. Both are very competitive. And I think Brandon is getting over the trade of Travis and Steve. He will do what it takes to win.
i dont know
when someone says roy is the problem and miller is the answer. man, i even feel pissed and heart-broken by repeating that.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 13, 2010 3:26 AM PST up reply actions
Kida the same way I feel....
When people say that Miller is the problem and Roy is the answer….
Remember, Roy's not infallible.
And no one ever thought Miller was the answer. Roy has and always will be the priority star on this team. Miller was brought in to enhance the team as a whole, not to take over as star.
Those of us here in the states, or specifically, Portland, OR, home of the Blazers, are constantly being hounded with Trail Blazer news and updates. If we felt the team was indeed dethroning Roy from his “star” label, we would protest. But I have never seen that happen on blazersedge.
And 50% of the rest
Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’
by 92wastheyear on Mar 11, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Col. Andy Tanner: All that hate is gonna burn you up kid.
Robert Morris: It keeps me warm.
by tominhawaii on Mar 12, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome to the discussion, Blazer Fan!
I am glad you recognize Andre’s greatness.
Personally, I love his all business attitude. I would think that someone from China would recognize a Taoist master at work on the basketball court and honor ’Dre as a true sage.
No wasted motion,
Always Putting others first;
Andre playing like water
And, like water, quenches my thirst.
Go ’Dre!
No one can argue that
Andre has carried our team for most of this season. Something Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and Blake cannot claim. If you don’t think so, watch December until Roy came back.
Where i begin
The team needs someone to carry them because all those talented players are underachieving. I believe it has something to do with miller’s play style and attitute. I wont call a guy hero when he fixed the problem he caused
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
What kind of problems did Andre Miller cause?
I’m beginning to think that there’s a marked difference in how the Chinese are interpreting things. Language barrier, maybe?
Andre is an infinitely better ball-handler than Blake. Without him in the game, we lose a lot of ball movement. Ball movement = more scoring which usually = more chance for players to shine. I’m not sure how his playing style or attitude is causing others to “underachieve.”
What you’re failing to overlook is the youth of the players. Miller may have brought in a NEW style of play, and it was hard for our guys to adjust to it, simply because they’re used to playing with Blake. But a new style of play being a hindrance to the achievement of our players? That’s something I can’t get behind.
Besides what I claimed in my post the Tiger effect Andre caused...
when those young players played with steve last year, Batum is considered the best wing defender, Rudy is the best three points shooter of rookie, Roy played like a superstar and Lma got his big contract. Now they play with Miller and suddenly everyone seems like deprogressed. and you tell me Andre can help them develop.(by the way, I like last year’s steve, this year I scream at the TV everytime he put the ball on the floor)
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
But can you really blame that on Miller?
Part of it is because Miller is a major addition to the team. He’s new. He’s going to cause some problems at the beginning of the season. Every team that adds a new player into their major rotation will.
Now, there are 2 ways to look at this.
1. Blame it on Andre
2. Recognize that the other players are young and are still learning
We can’t just sit around babying our guys. They need to learn how to adapt to new players who might have different styles if they want to survive in this league. Andre might not be our championship PG, but when we do get our championship PG, there will also be a period of adjustments where players might not play at their full potential.
But look at the team now. They’re clicking. They’re playing much better together than they were at the beginning of the season.
When it comes down to it, progress comes at a price. But the reward is worth it. And I don’t hesitate to say that we are seeing the beginnings of our reward for adding Andre to our team.
why they have to adjust to Miller, not the other way around?
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
Both sides need to adjust.
It seems to me that you’re blaming all the problems we’ve getting team flow and chemistry back together on Andre, which I don’t think is fair.
point taken. I just love love love the 08/09 roaster and the way they were playing
We had most fun in that season. this year…not so much
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
I can see why you say that.
And I agree on many levels. Last year’s roster and accomplishments were great. Only, we’re starting to take the team to the next level this year. There will be bumpy periods, but hopefully the final product will blow our minds. :)
Miller HAS adjusted. He prefers to throw lob passes A LOT he also prefers an
up tempo game with easy buckets, layups and dunks. He’s had to slow his game WAY DOWN to fit into the Blazer system.
what he should do...this is not his team
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Good players can adjust and still play well.
Miller has adjusted and proven that he can still perform at a high and competitive level. And now with McMillan wanting the team to push the ball at a faster level sometimes, Andre can teach everyone a thing or two about fast breaks.
he played well while other players were in a funk right now
I never questioned miller as a good individual player. I question the change he brought in.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
The other players were* in funks for reasons unrelated
to Miller.
The only time Miller has caused the other players to “be in a funk” is in the earlier games, when everyone was unused to him.
Otherwise, the “funks” you cited above, like with Rudy and Batum, have been completely unrelated to Miller. Those were no doubt caused by injuries and not Miller’s playing style.
completely is a strong word
you can not use the injury as the excuse any more (now)
but what we get " ugly wins and disappointing losts" and you think PG has nothing to do with it.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
If you show me why
our losses are the result of bad PG play, then I’ll acknowledge it as a valid point. But I don’t think you can find evidence for that.
Let’s take Rudy for example.
Two things have hindered him this season:
1. Bad back
It’s taken him a while to get back into his groove after the surgery. No surprise he isn’t necessarily the player he was last year.
2. Nate’s system
Just last week Rudy was complaining about not getting enough minutes and not really connecting with McMillan. That’s because McMillan likes playing slow. Rudy would benefit more in a system like the Suns’ or the Warriors’. This whole let’s slow things down thing is hard on his playing style.
To top it all off, he admits himself in this blog that he’s been inconsistent: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/3/12/1369432/rudys-blog-im-playing-better-with But he never once mentions that it’s because of his teammates. He places the blame solely on himself.
Now, I can easily give you two examples of Miller boosting Rudy’s play. Remember last night? Remember those 2 threes by Rudy that really turned the game around in the final minutes? Those were two beautiful 3’s credited to Miller’s assists.
I can give you a lot of proof...
Yesterday, he was 4 for 11 and those are the layups for god’s sake. The TNT guys never stopped saying he needs to slow down and in the third quarter they were chatting about the ideal PG for roy.
On December 25, the game vs. Hornets. he took most position doing post ups insteading of setting offence. lost
On December 13, the game vs. Bucks. he got the ball striped two times in the closing moments of fourth quarter. lose
I can go on and on. but the most convincing way to tell is to give the the opposite example. fans’ biggest complain is the team does not know how to close the game. The most beatifulperformance of closing game arguably is the one vs.suns or the christmas special. miller is on the bench.
About rudy. you have to know who is the core and who is the role player. nate wont and cant play to everyone’s strengh. Plus the way suns and warrios play, no ring for sure
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Those are "nitpicky" examples
Those are one or two plays in a few games. That can’t account for Miller’s performance as a whole. Again, everyone has a bad game here and there. The difference between him and Blake when Blake was still here was monumental. Every time Miller came in to the game, the offense showed marked improvement and flow. I think that at least is indisputable.
If you look at the team’s record since Miller started playing more, you’ll see we have a winning record. It’s not Miller’s fault we can’t close games, and that’s very obvious. To blame Miller for losing close games would be downright blasphemy.
Nate needs to figure out a way to bring out his players’ strength, but I agree with you that Rudy’s lackluster performance might be Nate’s fault. It is most definitely not Miller’s fault.
Also, players who maybe haven't been playing so well
at the beginning of the season are playing better than ever now. ie. Aldridge, despite his recent funk, has mostly been hammering his shots. Nic Batum has been nothing but awesome. BRoy’s getting back into his groove. Their improvement doesn’t have as much to do with Miller as with their own mentalities.
they are not playing better than ever now
fans are screaming that roy ang lma got overpaid because of their underachieved performance. in my eyes, you disturbed the core player’s production, you hurt the team.
moreover, you can not call it development when the player is just starting to get back to his old self. That is “repairing” the damage not “developing”
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
You can ask anyone around here
They are playing much, much better than at the beginning of this year.
The core needs to be “disturbed” sooner or later if we want progress. We can’t stay at our 08-09 level of play forever if we want to someday play for a championship. No pain, no gain.
This is indeed development no matter how you look at it. Learning to play with a new player is development.
by thetsaiguy on Mar 12, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i rec this one
this is the point i bear in mind and causes me hard time to bash miller. I just need to see the positive result about this change first before i am totally on board with you. I am not a miller-basher. I just want to make fans be aware of his fault like they do about brandon’s. I want fair
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I see. I can respect that.
There is definitely a need to make sure the blames are laid down fairly on here.
I think both Broy and Miller deserve equal blame here, although I wouldn’t really use the word “blame.” It’s more of just the adjustment period where everyone needs time to get used to everyone else.
I was replying to your statement "why they have to adjust, not the other way around"
I was saying that Miller has adjusted. Not implying that he shouldn’t do this. I am saying that he has.
I liked this post a lot
And not just because I don’t like Miller. I like the tone of the article and the well thought out reasoning.
But me not liking Miller makes me like this post even more. He is quite selfish (even with his passing—it sometimes seems that he only passes to people if he feels he’ll get an assist). His constant harping on the officials is grating. His lack of personality is annoying. His lack of a jumpshot coupled with his love of jacking them up at inopportune times is infuriating. He’s the best point guard we have right now, but I’m waiting impatiently for the day that changes. I hope it’s Bayless—that kid has a good heart and attitude.
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
by jamon51 on Mar 11, 2010 11:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Do you also dislike how he's usually the first to get aggressive
when we’re sitting around being soft?
when a PG being aggressive in the way of drawing fouls, the team's offense is stagnant.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 11, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
The offense isn't stagnant often when Andre's in there.
It’s when he sees that the rest of the team is “playing soft” that he steps up to get the team fired up.
I think you and tominhawaii have very very similar viewpoints. Neither of you like Miller.
But plenty of fans do like André very much. If you have access, read about the feelings of the Philadelphia 76ers, Miller’s last teammates, when he left the team. They were very sad. And even though they only made it through the first round of the playoffs last year, they played Orlando and lost after 6 games. (Orlando won the Eastern Conference Championship) Guess where they are this year? 11th. Their record is 27-42 so far this year.
I don’t think you will ever like Miller. Just know that there are fans who also loved Travis’ play and Blake’s 3pt shots (me) but still also appreciate Miller.
Fans who believe Miller does gel with this team. Despite the “warm welcome” Nate gave to the first veteran free agent who came to the Blazers under his rule, Miller still wants the Blazers to win and puts his heart, mind and soul into every game he plays.
ok. dont call out me and Tom. not just two of us dislike him.
As for Philadelphia 76ers, they cannot say bad things about miller. That is unprofessional and unethical. But if he is really that good, he wont be traded for sure.
and to be clear, I came here not because of hating miller but loving roy. I just feel that roy had to do too much ajustments and took too much heat during the whole process of integrating miller. His arrogant attitude of waiting for everyone to ajust to him pissed me off. But my dislike of him is less and less when he is willing to adjust and accept roy is the leader. After watching today’s game, i feel pretty good. Ealier this season, I hate when he took the ball out of roy’s hand that much.Now, it is geting better and better.
I will like him when he made roy shine and helped him get a ring. I am not a basher.
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 13, 2010 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
there is a key grammer mistake.
I will like him when he makes roy shine and help him get a ring…
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 13, 2010 3:23 AM PST up reply actions
Funny how perceptions provide each with their own reality...
When I first read this comment, I thought the “he” you were referring to was BRoy:
His arrogant attitude of waiting for everyone to ajust to him pissed me off.
I agree, Roy’s arrogance ticked me off too.. From his sabotaging of Dre’s arrival (I prefer Blake) to his unwillingness to adapt his play (come off screens instead of pounding the ball into submission up top), to his stubborness to ask for the ball even when he clearly is physically not right, to his inexplicable ball-handling woes, to his blaming other players for losses… really ticks me off… Very unprofessional and not a all exhibiting any kind of positive leadership…
But, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.,.
I'm not sure what the people over there in China are saying or pay attention to
but Andre Miller was traded from the 76ers because they weren’t willing to pay the money, not because they didn’t think he was good enough. That’s fact. I don’t know if you guys get as much news as we do over here, but it’s important to take everything into context before concluding that he was traded because he wasn’t good enough.
Case in point:
76ers record for the 08-09 season: 41-41
76ers record this year so far: 23-39
That’s a major drop, and it’s because they don’t have a savvy PG on their team anymore. Fans tend to forget that Andre Miller is one of the most underrated PG’s in the league. This guy is a veteran who knows the game, is very tricky around the rim and can post up other PG’s, something very few other PG’s can do. He has great court vision, he gets the offense flowing very nicely, and he can be incredibly fast when he wants to. This guy is good.
Of course, he’s not the best. And he may not be a long term solution. But unless you have a personal agenda against Miller, I really can’t see any reason not to appreciate and respect him for the amazing work he’s doing for the team right now.
I think the problem is that you guys see Brandon Roy as a god. Please remember, Brandon isn’t perfect either. He’s not always right. The guy above me points out some lapses on Roy’s part earlier this season. If you always see BRoy as untouchable, the team will never progress. BRoy is great, don’t get me wrong, but he has his faults and it’s important to note them.
The thing is, any time a new player comes into the picture, other players will have to adjust. If you dislike Miller based on Roy having to adjust to him, you should dislike Oden even more. One of the big reasons why Roy had a subpar earlier season is because Oden was constantly clogging the lanes. As a result, Roy was forced to take jumpshots because he couldn’t go to the rim like he used to. Who’s fault is that? That’s the coach and the offensive scheme’s fault. But it was still early in the season and they hadn’t worked out a good system to run on yet. So that was partly understandable. But none of that had anything to do with Miller. In fact, Miller was on the bench during that time. And as someone pointed out earlier, Roy had by far his best stretch of playing when Miller was in the lineup.
The important thing is to make sure your facts are crystal clear and accurate before you start laying the hate on Miller. But I’m sure the fans here are willing to clear things up if anyone misses or overlooks something.
by thetsaiguy on Mar 13, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You say this
but Andre Miller was traded from the 76ers because they weren’t willing to pay the money, not because they didn’t think he was good enough.
Not counting him not resigning as a free agent instead of trading, I say Philly didn’t think he was worth the money.
by tominhawaii on Mar 13, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
And I don't think the GM's are so blind
that they’d let him go simply because they thought he wasn’t worth the money. They obviously knew that losing him would be a detriment to the team, but decided to go with it anyway to save money.
I don't mean this as a dig on Miller
But I’m sure that Philly and a lot of teams thought that Miller was worth less than what Portland gave him. The problem was that Portland had the most money left and he was the best free agent left. If the Blazers only had 5.7 Million dollars in cap space left, that would be how much Miller was getting paid this year.
by tominhawaii on Mar 13, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
You have a point
As a side note, that money was probably put to much better use on Miller than on Turkoglu or Millsap, in retrospect.
I agree 87%
Milsap or Lee could have helped after Joel and Greg went down.
by tominhawaii on Mar 13, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
PS
Watch the statements like this:
I think the problem is that you guys see Brandon Roy as a god.
Try to not say “you guys” and go with “some fans”. Using “you” can make it personal.
by tominhawaii on Mar 13, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
It's cool
I do it all the time and then go back and take out the “you’s” after I hit preview. I just didn’t want you to get busted.
by tominhawaii on Mar 13, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to give a rec to a comment, you should push the “actions” button which is right next to the reply button and then the “rec” button which pops up.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
thank you, very helpful, can I see who rec me
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 12, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to do that.
Also, if you find a post to be inappropriate, you can push the “actions” button and then the “flag” button to let the moderators know that you do not like it.
If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99
Key word from fajunga’s comment is "inappropriate".
A flag is not the opposite of a rec.
You rec because you like, or in some way think it deserves recognition.
You flag because you think a moderator should consider deleting the comment.
If you flag something a box will appear for you to give the reason why you are flagging it.
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
wow, your sentence doesnt make sense in chinese.
I guess you want to say :I dont think you are in china
but you truly said : I dont think you again chinese ( not make sense)
see, i am from china
by chinafansheartroy on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions

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