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Calling out all the posters on BE



Drawing the line...

Star-divide

 

Ok BE readers and posters. I spend a good amount of time reading through most all articles and comments posted on here. I have heard some good arguments, great stories, bad advice, novice understanding, and venturing all the way down the line to posts that just flat out make you laugh, finding yourself asking the question of: does this person watch the same team as we all do?

Now that I have got your attention a bit let us move into the tasty part of the post....

I have listed below 5 players that have generated in IMO the most chatter on the site, and not really in a positive way alot of times. All of these guys have helped us way more than they have hurt us and deserve better from us as fans. So people that want to talk trash on the guy for having a bad night or trade him for that guy, or he should start over him, please keep in mind that every one of these guys is a winner and great for this team.

Andre Miller - If you are not a fan of this guy by now, you need to be or atleast respect him by not tryin to put him in the dog house. Come on people, I do not care deeply about the new statistics being brought out by people that have a high IQ, but not in basketball. Andre is critical to us winning in the next few seasons. He is a leader and is teaching the young team how to play. On most nights i see him showing some real hustle trying to get us back in the game. Jerryd Bayless seems to be learning from Dre. he has been more controlled on offense and defense. Miller used to beat on this team every time he played us, so be glad he is here and squash all the negativity.

Lamarcus Aldridge - It seems that he is getting the wrong end of the stick from many of the posters. LMA has basically been a pinball machine for the Blazers. This guy has more moves than Michael Jackson(PBUH). He is such a smooth shooter. An offensive force that many teams can do nothing about. Give this guy 20 shots a game. He goes through slumps like everyone but is by far our best overall offensive weapon on  an inside/out POV. He has been bashed by everyone including the creators of this site. You do not talk trash about this guy because he is a top 10 PF in this league.

Jerryd Bayless - He is my favorite player and has been since we drafted him. We need his energy and attitude. Deense is steadily improving. His shot selection is becoming better. Distributing the ball has been a bit indifferent at times. Though as an overall basis on him, he is improving every year. I credit his increasing court awareness to Andre Miller.

Greg Oden - He will make us a champion. He may have an injury bug but they are unrelated. Cant praise him enough for his efforts. I think he could develop a nice 12-15 ft shot like Marcus Camby and spread the floor or create havoc under the basket. Heck he could just walk around and make the Blazers a better team.

Martell Webster - He is a great role player on this team. He could go elsewhere and get more recognition but I think he just wants to win and be apart of a winning franchise. It is key to have players like him that do not get upset about PT or whatever. He understands his place on the team. Stop all the writing about trading him away. We do not need a team full of POTENTIAL stars. We need balance in which he brings.

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I love the title of this post.

You’re calling out ALL the posters on BE? That’s very brazen of you. It’s good to think big.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 10, 2010 4:42 AM PST reply actions  

Here's the thing.

You can certainly make the argument that these guys are good for the team. And that argument warms my heart. I love all of these players. I don’t like seeing arguments against them. But if you cut off all of the arguments, then what is there to discuss? If you cut off all argument, how can one learn anything they didn’t know before? We can’t just tell people to stop having opinions because we don’t like them.

Now, generally, throwing out statements like “Bayless sucks!” or “Trade Martell!” don’t add a whole lot without explanation. Though during gameday threads, leeway can be given, as those are far more reactionary, whereas posts give one more time to come up with a well thought out post.

Still, it’s always important to discuss basketball issues and not make other posters the issue. Calling out posters does nothing beneficial. All it does is rile people up. Especially if you don’t agree with them.

Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.

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by T Darkstar on Mar 10, 2010 4:56 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

Right

I mean it would be pretty boring if there is nothing to say. In most workplaces continuous improvement is imperative, the same holds true here. So talking about Aldridge needing to work more on his inside game, not rely so much on the fade, and be more aggressive in crunch situations is needed. Do people go too far in the way they make their case, sure, but sometimes that is the fun of posting.

A lot of the Greg talk bugs me admittedly. It is sort of unfair to come across as blaming him for anything, all his has done is work his ass off to get on the floor and play for this team. And to feel compelled to apologize, in a formal statement, because he got injured even before being taken for treatment speaks volumes about how much all of the chatter gets to him…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

see my reply below.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd certainly like to see some of it stifled.

The old rule in conversations about people that says, “If you can’t say anything nice – or at least substantive in this case – don’t say anything at all.” should apply to the bashing of people on the team as much as it does anyone you know personally.

I’m tired of people doing the wave so to speak, when it comes to riding individual performances of individual players to an emotional conclusion about that player’s absolute and universal value. An example of this would be the Batum vs. Webster arguments. Both of them are good players. Nicholas is arguably better because he is more consistent and is longer, but admitting that doesn’t cause me to then turn around and say Webster has no place on this team and can’t or shouldn’t contribute / should be traded. Its that kind of emotionally charged jumping to conclusions that should not be encouraged.

I’m also tired of just illogical player bashing. Whether or not you dislike an individual player for reasons that are obvious or nebulous and uncertain, there should be no room for continual negativity towards those players. Are we going to be consistent here on this site with the rules for how we treat each other or not? What some people seem to think is fair game when it comes to the players would get them banned if they were saying it about another BE member. That has really made me comment less and read a lot less on this site this season. Maybe I’m just too sensitive, but there’s a certain member of this site who’s attitude about a certain member of this team has been rather caustic and frankly I’m way beyond my limit for patience in that particular instance. That routine was old two months into the season.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

pretty much

the best post I have read to date on this site. REC

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Would you feel the same way if all the player bashing were directed at Kobe?

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah if it is unsubstantiated.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that is just the most ubsurd thing I have ever heard

No one ever needs a good reason to bash Kobe, you just do it because it feels sooooooo good.

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't.

I don’t see a reason to bash someone simply to bash someone. To me, if it feels good to verbally abuse someone else simply because you can, those are signs of a disorder.

Calling Kobe out because he constantly flails his elbows in every direction to create space and saying he’s a dirty player because of that, that’s an observation substantiated by video that can be reviewed. Saying he’s evil simply because he wears a Laker’s uniform is childish in my opinion. I know it’s tradition for fans to do that and all, but I still find it absurd.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

rec

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Very good advice TDarkstar

That said… I agree with everything the poster wrote about those players. I would like to see more appreciation for them and our coaching staff. The Trailbazers are once again a “First Class Organization” Plus they are going to be a winning team for several years.

Better embrace and enjoy them, because it won’t last forever.

by Rick_D on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Good advice + 1

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

We could discuss any of the following:

Which Blazer is the cutest – with Sophia as moderator

Which Blazer most looks like a Chinese singer – chinafan as moderator

Which is the best looking Blazer uniform – open for a moderator

(alternatives on this theme – which unis do they play best in or which ones don’t make Andre Miller’s butt look big)

Who is the better dresser, Nate, Monty or another of the coaching staff – sounds like a Mortimer session. Anyone living in LA must know about style, except possibly timbo.

KP’s recent tan, natural or spray/booth? – how about blacknoise, he can perform a quanatative analysis showing which is the more likely possibility.

Global warming, will it lead to a return of the old style short shorts? – maybe Two Deep, as he’s old enough to remember when players dressed that way.

There are tons of issues we could discuss. You just have open up your mind and expand your horizons.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice
Come on people, I do not care deeply about the new statistics being brought out by people that have a high IQ, but not in basketball.

Come on, friend, I do not care deeply about your opinion if you are going to go around slamming the basketball IQ of other posters here.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#10 #52 -- #5 #7 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Mar 10, 2010 5:27 AM PST reply actions  

Come on, friend, I do not care deeply about your opinion if you are going to go around slamming the basketball IQ of other posters here.

Yes the words are a bit strong but the fact is that these detailed stats are more prevelant than watching the tape. Andre Miller and Marcus Camby both watch tape religiously. This is a huge factor as to why they have such high BBIQ’s. Now you can see it rubbing off on the guys when they start calling out the other teams plays. This is very important to cohesion of a team. You have involvement off the court. Stats get too much hype is all I was trying to say and alot of the posts on here focus more on the +- than noticing actions like jerryd bayless has good ball control with his left hand which could be utilized more in a directional sense thus giving a new dimension for him and his mates and throws the other teams off a bit.

by Chea Cubana on Mar 10, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Stats and tape are not mutually exclusive

in fact, synergy stats narrow the tape down to whatever criteria you like (virtually).

Stats help you look at the tape. For instance, Rudy Fernandez is a good shooter from the rim and from 3, he is TERRIBLE in the mid range. You can learn this by analyzing hours of tape, or you can glance at HoopData’s shot location charts. Whatever you want to spend your time on.
Now, HoopData will tell you that he sucks at the midrange, but not WHY. Is his hand positioned weird? Is he off balance? It takes tape to tell you that, but for most purposes stats are very adequate.
Frankly, your anti-intellectual approach is disheartening.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Mar 10, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't take hours of watching tape

to figure out that Rudy is weak from mid-range. Just watch a game or two.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Mar 10, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

no

a game or two tells you he was bad in a game or two. I can cherry pick (or just randomly select) games that make Kyle Korver look like a bad 3pt shooter or make Dwayne Wade look like a great one.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Mar 10, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

to get a sense of how a player is likely to perform in the future

Which is the point of stats, tape, and scouting, you have to watch a helluvalot of tape.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Mar 10, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Better title for this post: “The Five Most Controversial Blazers are Keepers”.

by botanyjames on Mar 10, 2010 5:31 AM PST reply actions  

Better title for this post: "I like turtles"

#10, #21, #52

Pie Doesn't Win Championships, Cake Wins Championships

by The Arkitect on Mar 10, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Even better topic - Bayless Eats Cute Fluffy Turtles

I’ve just hear from very unaccredited sources…

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t you want Bayless to start?

If we win a title, I promise not to hate on anyone associated with the Blazers for 1 full season - jksnake99

by fajunga on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if he's ready yet

No point in saying dumb stuff and mess up my credibility. His time will come and I always have the playoffs for Miller to screw up and prove me right.

by tominhawaii on Mar 10, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Whew

[/sarcasm] thank goodness your credibility is still intact. [/sarcasm]

by GMan83201 on Mar 10, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I got more credibility in my hangnails than most posters here

I’m not afraid to stand up to homer bandwagon fans who are willing to sacrifice integrity for a couple more wins.

by tominhawaii on Mar 10, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You are right in your words

Hypothetically, if I do know more than you then you would be wise to listen and then maybe you can gain a better perspective, leading to concise decision making and in turn provide a stronger core of insightful and knowledgable posts. lol just kiddin wit yah

by Chea Cubana on Mar 10, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

If you don't question what you have

Nothing will ever improve

[insert witty nomenclature and/or out of context quote from someone that makes more money than I]

by HallelujahHoeDown on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

love your SN

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Mar 10, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that is a good one! lol

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

i like your blaze pic

i also despise his very existence. if he were an ethnic group, i would endorse their genocide.

[insert witty nomenclature and/or out of context quote from someone that makes more money than I]

by HallelujahHoeDown on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with your feelings that we have a great team

We have a hardworking and solid team. There are no players who just aren’t trying (which is a real danger of not having enough minutes for everyone) and all the players have some potential for development (barring the vets, though every single one has given more than we could ask for this team).

That said there is no basketball team you cant improve on and thus just cannot criticize. As fans we are going to (of course) try and imagine our team in a few years and see what pieces we will hang onto. There are legitimate concerns and criticisms of some of our players and since you have (apparently) heard them all can you really deny that both Bayless and Martell are overly inconsistent? That Rudy is a little to small to defend man to man? That LMA isn’t as physical as other forwards and loses position because of it, or has trouble getting to the rim and finishing after a foul? Just because I like a player, and I like his potential, does not mean that I cannot criticize those aspects of his game that I feel are weak. Especially on an internet forum with a group of like-minded fans!

I have seen some evidence of trash talking gone a little to far, where it becomes more about the player than about their game, but so far that has remained the vast minority of criticism about the players you have mentioned. Mostly people (except TiH) who make those comments aren’t seen frequently (so I imagine they are people who google blazers to trash talk or make a point, but don’t care to remain in the community) so it is not the main core of Bedge posters who you are talking to.

Also if you wanted to open a direct dialog about player criticisms you almost couldn’t have made a better post.

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 10, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

I see your point....

You are correct on many levels. I would Knight you Sir, but my sword is on the rocks and Merlin had to make a dash to the future because he heard of a castle that is white:)

by Chea Cubana on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I stopped reading halfway through

You are basically saying we shouldn’t point out players’ flaws.

Miller- no outside shot, but takes it anyway

LMA- soft, soft, soft and unless he shows some heart will never be an All-Star

Bayless- a combo guard that has an inconsistent jumper and makes boneheaded plays

Oden- Really, if he has one more major injury he’s gotta be labeled a bust. Let’s be honest here.

Webster- If he is destined to be our three point shooter then that is fine, but a role-playing deep shooter is not what you expect out of the #6 selection in the draft.

Of course this is largely tongue-in-cheek but the guys you listed have flaws, and we ARE allowed to point them out.

by GMan83201 on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Funny thing about this site

If all of the discussion was civil, reasonable and positive there would be no discussion.

Greg Oden, Great Center or Greatest Center?

Sounds a little too Jonestown for me.

I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!

by pxilpooshr on Mar 10, 2010 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Better PG

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Aldridge can have 20 shots a game

if 15 are within 10 feet of the rim

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

LA gets too much heat from the pessimists

You are an optimist so you focus on these guys favorable qualities.

For example LA has started showing some moves on offense that look like Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime. I see that crazy high release on LA’s smooth as silk, turn around either shoulder, fade away shot and my heart is warmed. Yet others remember that Hakeem at the same point in his career also averaged 13.5 rebounds and 3.5 blocked shots per game.

by Jacksonville on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think you're really on to the heart of the matter with this comment.

It really does seem to come down to a glass half-full, or half-empty perspective with a lot of people who comment here. Some see the bad performances at times from certain players as indicative of what the player is actually capable of and others see the instances of inspired play and seemingly flawless individual performances as the plane that that player can aspire to on a nightly basis.

Personally I think I fall into the optimist camp.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

from here on out

I’m just going to rip-off all of your posts because you say what I’m thinking better than I’m able to say it

by Billy Hoyle on Mar 10, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, well thanks Billy!

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 10, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You are still going to have to pay ...

… to use mine.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Like your sig, where is that from?

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Mar 11, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Oooooo someone just got served.

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Not everyone feels the need to share their opinion all the time.

As I understand it, there are probably far more readers that rarely, if ever, post a comment then there are ones that do. I believe much of what we read here may actually be a minority opinion.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

So I have been called out.....hmmmm.

So I have a question for you; does this site make you angry? Your post feels angry to me. Does our open discussion about players’ value to the team bother you? Does criticism bother you? Do trade proposals make you angry? Do advanced statistics make you angry? If you answered yes to any of those questions then you should find a different site to get your blazers blog fix. That is what we do here.

Yes, sometimes it gets negative when we see Lamarcus’s testicles consistently ascend back up every 4th quarter while he fails to play fundamental sound interior defense ( especially considering his ginormous contract that could potentially kill our capscace for many years and even more so due to the upcoming lowering of the cap due to decreased BRI, not to mention the new CBA that will more than likely see a marked reduction in players salaries and could quite possibly institute a hard cap ) , but it comes with the territory of this site.

Also, this is a site where I think many people come to vent to other frustrated Blazer fans, and this has been a frustrating year. A year that has seen our promising future become a little tarnished with injuries. People are going to be a little more critical and negative than normal, and a plea for people to stop posting their opinions about player A from you is not going to change anything.

"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden

by dario argento on Mar 10, 2010 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

OK

I get as antsy about LaMarcus as anybody but this:

( especially considering his ginormous contract that could potentially kill our capscace for many years and even more so due to the upcoming lowering of the cap due to decreased BRI, not to mention the new CBA that will more than likely see a marked reduction in players salaries and could quite possibly institute a hard cap )

Is just a blatant misstatement. Without LaMarcus, we already have about 46 million on the books for next season (the chart at HoopsHype doesn’t account for Brandon’s 14 million 2010-11 salary). And that doesn’t even account for either resigning Camby or getting another big man to replace Przybilla, something that will cost 7-9 million. That would already put us over the projected cap of 50.5 million. So to say LaMarcus is “killing our cap space” is pretty crazy.

And any hard cap will leave pretty much every team in the same boat. Which is why a hard cap will be accompanied by either some form of grandfather clause, or a scaling down of existing contracts.

by atomiccafe on Mar 10, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I said "potentially" killing it...

and I for one am concerned that he is just not really improving. He is basically the same player he was last year, and some would argue has regressed. His numbers are down, and he is not scoring as efficiently either. If this is the Lamarcus we are going to get for the next 5 years than yes, I would consider it a detriment to our capspace. He got that contract based on quite a lot of potential, and we are not seeing that potential realized. I don’t think it is too much to ask for for a 12m per year player to play fundamentally sound interior defense.

"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden

by dario argento on Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

either that or average 25+ ppg

LMA does neither, and it’s not close.

by GMan83201 on Mar 10, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, we can criticize his production and say he should be better. but I don’t think it’s really true that he’s poor value for our capspace as it stands. When you look at his statistical peer group, his contract extension is right about in the middle (look at KP2’s essay on this from the beginning of the season).

And if you’re going to say the contract is a bad value, you have to propose some way we can get better value, or a better option at power forward that would allow us to spend the money some other way. I don’t really see that option currently.

by atomiccafe on Mar 10, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is where I understand the original poster's case.

You think LA has flaws. So what. He also has abilities that few have. It also is very unlikely that Portland is going to be in a position to trade him and obtain a replacement that is markedly better. Name a PF that is easily better – Dirk, Bosh, Gascol. You might argue for Amare, but then you would also have include Zach. You really think the Blazers are better with Randolph? The bottom line is that even with a couple of other names added to this list, there is a very small likelihood of any of them coming to Portland. And if one of them did come in a trade for LaMarcus, what does that say? MOst likely that the GM acquiring him knows what a lot of us here already know – LA is one hell of a player.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what is unnecessary to some of us...
Yes, sometimes it gets negative when we see Lamarcus’s testicles consistently ascend back up every 4th quarter while he fails to play fundamental sound interior defense

I appreciate that some posters fancy themselves eloquent and colorful writers but this kind of insulting fluff brings no insight and absolutely washes out anyhting intelligent you may have said beyond it…IMO.

by Ilikeemall on Mar 10, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You talkin' to me?

You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin’ to? You talkin’ to me? Well I’m the only one here. Who the heck do you think you’re talking to?

#52

by CatMan2 on Mar 10, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

I hear she's pretty hot.

Now all we need to know is if she’s easy.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Specifically, I do feel there are legitimate criticisms to be made of a few of these players

He fades away on offense almost every time. He makes it way too easy on the defense by not challenging the defending physically. He almost shies away from contact. He rebounding numbers are low. His scoring, especially in the fourth quarter, is inconsistent and unreliable. Overall, he is a good player, sure. But is he our number two scorer? Is he good enough for us to be a contender with our current roster and him playing second best player to Brandon? Its frustrating because all the tools are there, but he does not seem to have the mentality to really make the most of his abilities.

Webster is a good backup shooting guard, but we do not get the consistency we need. He makes some great plays and some bonehead plays. Similar to LMA, he’s got the talent but hasn’t quite put it together. I’m not sure that he ever will. His mental makeup is suspect, IMO.

Bayless is pretty inconsistent. He has been getting playing time he probably hasn’t earned based on the level of performance night in and night out. But he has talent and I agree with playing him for future development. But he can’t run the team or make jump shots consistently. He is kind of the king of garbage time, which is not a good thing to be. All in all I like him but he is a long way from where we’d like him to be…i.e. championship caliber back-up point guard/spark plug combo guard.

I can’t say anything bad about Miller.

Oden will probably be alright if he can ever stay on the court for long enough…

Just my take.

by goblazer1 on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

haha

Open the game day thread, HAL!

I get the paper, so I don't care!

by Name's Ash on Mar 10, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The worst thing is that HAL is prez

by medmelon on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

well done, Norsk.

If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gonna see some serious [stuff].

by DrivetheLane on Mar 10, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Game, Set and....

MATCH!

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Mar 10, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Win.

I am perpendicularly pissed off right now!!!!!!

by pxilpooshr on Mar 10, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I like this interchange...

but too short… MORE !

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

As for discussing the players, I’m sure most people are happy with them, most of the time. Still, wondering what they might be able to do different and wondering what other players might do different has become a big part of the game and the discussions about the game to many. One can call that “amateur general management”. Then again, wondering about different scenarios even if they will never materialize is a significant part of any manager’s job. KP and Nate are likely as proud of changes they didn’t make as they are of changes they did make. They still thought about those changes, even though they ultimately decided against them. Or those were decided elsewhere against them. You can enjoy the game and still think about what is going right and what is going wrong.

by Norsktroll on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

People get on Aldridge for being soft.

He’s the perfect style player to compliment Oden if we can ever get a couple seasons out of him. The inside thing just isnt his game. But that jumper is so sweet!

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by courtsideerrandboy on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

IMO he needs to extend his range either inwards or outwards

No problem with him not being an inside big man but he needs a 3 point shot he is comfortable with.

by Sir.Ludo on Mar 10, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand what you are getting at...

But you can’t really force people to agree or shut up. I have trouble relating to the extremely negative fan but I’m sure they think I am some sort of pollyanna.

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by tssbro on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

lemmie give this a whirl..

opinions are like…. our children.

we need to …. nurture them?

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by faith on Mar 10, 2010 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Without opinions, we will be no better than Nazi Germany.

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by fajunga on Mar 10, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

but ? being better than peps is what lead to nazi germany!!

weird how that works hu?

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by faith on Mar 11, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean there are other things to do with them besides ...

… farm them out for extra income and beat them when drunk?

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by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

my friend got me a Solarbabies poster for my birthday

solarbabies is pretty rad. t was a few years back. i just found it after moving a few months ago. now that i am a bit older and more mature (although probably not), i am wondering if i should stick it up on my wall. it looks like this:

if i ever have the chance to have a girl over, that might not be too awesome for me. unless she likes it then it would be doubly awesome. i do have an inflatable moose head already on my wall, so that should be my one allocation towards funny/quirky/stupid depending on your point of view.

that is my synopsis on posters at this juncture.

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by cornplant on Mar 10, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Excellent!!!

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Mar 10, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

you've left me stuttering

I’m literally speechless

Holding out for Hedo

by T$ 225 on Mar 10, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

After reading this ...

… good luck with the girl thing.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Why didn't the OP include Nate

If Nate doesn’t write and recite poems about Miller after a game, fan call for his head.

by tominhawaii on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

"An offensive force that many teams can do nothing about"

Your description of Aldridge describes exactly why he frustrates me. He has a ton of moves in the low post, but he’s happy to take jumpers. When he does go down low, instead of using those moves to get close to the basket he does a few shakes and takes a fallaway. I have never questioned LMA’s skill level. I criticize him for not using those skills and being happy taking jumpers. Anyone that has played a minute of basketball knows it’s harder to fight for position down low and attack the basket with someone pushing against you than to take an open jumper after someone else draws your defender.

You can point out a few holes in someone’s game or say they aren’t using their skills as well as they could without being an irrational hater. I hate being dismissed, so I have to make all my posts twice as long. Instead of saying Bayless isn’t a pg, I have to first point out all the things he does well.

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by terryisntbald on Mar 10, 2010 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

Your comment has much to commend it.

The title gets right to the point, letting the author of the Fanpost know exactly what you’ll be discussing.

Next, you summarize your argument for hating Aldridge, illustrating what you mean with some concrete examples. Especially clever is your veiled ad hominem attack beginning with “Anyone who has played ….”

However, your second paragraph needs some work, IMHO. When you say that you “hate being dismissed”, you start to lose credibility. Better to avoid talking about yourself and keep hammering on the author, LMA, etc.

Finally, I know it’s a trivial thing, but a single misspelled word, such as “pig” in the closing sentence, can make it difficult for many readers to understand your comment.

(End of sarcasm for its own sake, with no actual criticism intended.)

#52

by CatMan2 on Mar 10, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm ok with criticism or someone having a different opinion

By “being dismissed” I meant when somebody doesn’t offer counterarguments and just say I’m an idiot. It’s fine to disagree, and the back and forth is part of what I like about this site (I even like Bill Simmons despite the fact he’s said critical things about the Blazers). I just dont’ like it when the only response is “you’re wrong.” A while ago I said I thought Nate was a good coach, but I didn’t think he was right to lead the Blazers to a title and somebody only responded “I completely disagree.” That doesn’t tell me anything about my argument. Do you think Nate is a horrible coach or that he is right to lead them in the future? I was sort of in the middle of that argument, so it doesn’t make sense to disagree with everything, because then you’d think Nate is a horrible coach who should keep coaching them.

This doesn’t happen to me that often because I usually try to phrase things carefully, but a lot of times in threads somebody will just say something bad about a player, then there’s a bunch of responses saying they’re a hater or don’t know what they’re talking about, then that person comes back and says they like them overall they were just pointing out one flaw.

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by terryisntbald on Mar 10, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed that you listed Andre Miller first

Thats good cause he is the worst player for this team.

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by fajunga on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

You are wrong sir that roll is reseved for Bayless

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey now

Bayless is pretty darn good.

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by fajunga on Mar 10, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

He has poor Judgment, Memory, and makes Bad Decisions not to mention Tiny Arms.

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

His decision making is much improved over what it was earlier this year

His arms aren’t long but they aren’t so short that he is handicapped by them. Yes, he has a few SMH moments in every game but he is trying to learn how to play as a point guard in the NBA. He has never been more than a scoring point before. Give him some time to fill into his role before condemning.

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by fajunga on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I was more referring to the tattooing of his own name on his back. thats permanent

but I did forget to mention he is also from Arizona, -1

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by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You said you wouldn't mention those.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Please don't call me out anymore

I have enough issues to deal with already? You really do sound sympathetic though. Maybe you could protect me from some of these mean posters around here??? They just disagree with me all of the time in order to hurt my feelings!

21 + 52=

by KINGofMACct on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

Poopasaurus

"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP

by jlarose78 on Mar 10, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If we are goping to go the poop route ...

… I’m getting Max into the discussion.

He’s 5 and will kick all of your asses at this game.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, you're using up my limited cell phone minutes with this call out

and I don’t have roll over

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by Magnum on Mar 10, 2010 3:03 PM PST reply actions  

I'm sorry

but LA’s “moves” need to show up soon for him to continue to be the viable #2 option for the future. sure, he has some great games, but he is by far the most inconsistent Blazer, and that’s saying something. for what we expect of him and him of himself, LA is underperforming, and needs a damn good playoff series to validate his status on this team.

by sparks89 on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

i read the title quickly and got all excited.

then i read more and my hopes were dashed.

i thought he was asking us all out. i was going to order lobster.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Mar 10, 2010 3:40 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

fondue?

I know this awesome martini bar dude….

3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.

by Eat Politicians on Mar 10, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Check with cornplant.

He might be interested in a date.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Mar 11, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

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